hoi4-general

[lethal ether]

[errant arch]

oh i see! i didnt realize that thanks

[knotty vortex]

what triggers italy to join ww2

[upbeat helm]

france capitulating I think

or war with yug

[knotty vortex]

sweet

time to militamaxx the germans

[upbeat helm]

haha have fun with that

[knotty vortex]

lmao

[fathom shard]

i still dont forgive paradox for nerfing austrias militia buffs

[knotty vortex]

wait did they actually

oh flip

i might get cooked then

am i finished

[upbeat helm]

might be

[knotty vortex]

i managed to push out another 24 divs

[dusky burrow]

rough

[warped skiff]

Does it make more sense to replace this production line and lose all my efficiency, or start a new production line with the MPs?

[knotty vortex]

do i lol yet

[knotty vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-avengers-marvel-small-price-gif-14188934

[dusky burrow]

honestly you probably have to replace your gun production at some point

so yeah probably

[warped skiff]

So replace th entire line?

[dry kayak]

Russia when it's your ally...

[knotty vortex]

i mean i have +28k in logistics rn

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

then definitely

[slim nexus]

bro really asked that

[knotty vortex]

is that not enough

[warped skiff]

God forbid a guy has a life outside of this game and does not have 2000 hours in hoi4

[dusky burrow]

you could phase production of gun 1 out gradually if you don't have enough guns

[dusky burrow]

Well, it will cover you until you switch to guns 2

[dry kayak]

they insta given up... no comment

a whole game in trash in literally seconds

[knotty vortex]

okay so militia as austria do suck now

[viscid mason]

okay finally after trying barb many times i got an encirclement
Anyways one thing i struggle with in barb is eventually i run out of manpower/guns.

[jolly pier]

pls help

[prisma saddle]

how poland even mange to do that

[ivory hull]

your also out of fuel

[viscid mason]

I know 😭

i mainly use infantry and it's actually better than tanks ironically

trying to mirco north

[worn cliff]

when do they die

[restive sable]

if they go democratic there's one branch in their tree that lets them buy colonies from france and the UK

[ivory hull]

use this template when doing inf only

[viscid mason]

I have something similar

just with less armor/vechiles

[ivory hull]

you didnt take the big division doctrine tho

you should remove one battalion

so its 36w

[viscid mason]

Liv told me to make 38widths

[ivory hull]

yea some prefer them because the more stats negate the combat width debufs

[prisma saddle]

crazy

[dusky burrow]

probably from a peace deal i'd say

[viscid mason]

hi liv

[dusky burrow]

find some way to take port sudan

and also maybe ask for djibouti

[viscid mason]

i did a good barb

[patent thistle]

uhm, thanks germany?

[daring geyser]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mbDyVo0C6L8

this hurts to watch

[dusky burrow]

strat bombers can be useful

but you try to win faster than they would be useful

[daring geyser]

strat bombers are straight up overpowered

[dusky burrow]

^

[daring geyser]

i posted the video specifically cuz it's ass

[heavy vigil]

Hello TacWedie

[viscid mason]

hello casey

[daring geyser]

hello Bittencourt 'Casey' Edgard

[heavy vigil]

i use hoi browser all the time, are there other ways of accessing the international websites?

[daring geyser]

my os came pre installed with the hoi browser

[winter fulcrum]

how does only 1.1% have this? this is so easy

[upbeat tundra]

what the

[upbeat tundra]

cuz dlc?

[heavy vigil]

you have to play ironman no mods

[winter fulcrum]

not that hard

[upbeat tundra]

do you need dlc for it?

[heavy vigil]

correct but imo not very enjoyable

[winter fulcrum]

i dont think so

[upbeat tundra]

i mean if u do thats also another thing

[sly venture]

What does no compromise no surrender give you?

[winter fulcrum]

i dont think u do bc u js need to go fascist argentina and have the german civil war happen

[upbeat tundra]

china +_ japan

[winter fulcrum]

reworked asia, faction rework, and then i think navy reowkr

rework*

[daring geyser]

cuz the great majority of hoi4 players played for 5 hours at most or play with mods/ironman disabled

[upbeat tundra]

its like road to 56 china

[sly venture]

what do the reworks do

[daring geyser]

also cuz that achievement got added relatively recently

[upbeat tundra]

most hoi4 players play for 5 hours gets wiped by poland and quit

[daring geyser]

as of ToA

[winter fulcrum]

its been there for like over a year

[daring geyser]

but hoi4 exploded in popularity at around 2018-2019

[sly venture]

I have like 600 hours and no achievements

[heavy vigil]

tac did u like ToA

[daring geyser]

no it was a dogshit dlc

[sly venture]

every time I do Ironman mode I get demolished

[winter fulcrum]

it reworks asian countries focus trees and adds more content, it also i think reworks navy, but it does rework factions so there are like faction goals and stuff

[sly venture]

does the navy rework make it harder?

[winter fulcrum]

idk i never learned navy

[winter fulcrum]

son 😭

[prisma saddle]

italy joined axis and i wnated to do hardly anything sevres omg

[sly venture]

when I do normal I do a world conquest with 0 saves when I do Ironman mode i genuinely somehow die to France

[daring geyser]

it's like paradox went for something slightly realistic but overall irrealistic with all the other nonhist paths

then for south america they threw any realism they had left iut of the window and just made every single path conquer all of south america for no reason and didn't even base most of them on actual politics

like lampião becoming president of brazil is the same as the unabomber becoming us president

[sly venture]

bfb best dlc fr

[daring geyser]

0/10 ragebait

[heavy vigil]

i can see it happening

the US one that is

[sly venture]

it adds Greece dlc and Greece is the best country

It’s also cheap

[daring geyser]

objectively the best dlc was NSB

brought much needed and welcome changes

[winter fulcrum]

bro how are you losing to france

[sly venture]

I decided to try a new template

[daring geyser]

common new player mistake, usually it's because they don't know the importance of cas/cant handle supply

[winter fulcrum]

let me guess 16 artillery and support artillery?

[sly venture]

no

[daring geyser]

what did you try

[sly venture]

I tried to add sp artillery to my division

[winter fulcrum]

he has 600 hours

[sly venture]

instead of sp aa

[daring geyser]

still new

[winter fulcrum]

thats not but ok

[daring geyser]

you swapped something terrible for something good, it was not that which made you get stuck in the benelux

[sly venture]

Tried this instead of

[upbeat tundra]

for hoi4 dont u need like 2000 hours to be intermediate though?

[daring geyser]

yeah it was not that change which made you get stuck in the benelux

probably low supply/red air/no cas or a combination of all of those

[winter fulcrum]

no, you are intermediate if your skill is intermediate

hours dont determine how good you are

[upbeat tundra]

for hoi4 it kinda does

[ivory hull]

take out the logi, it isnt needed

[ivory hull]

no

[sly venture]

this was after I beat the allies

[upbeat tundra]

kinda as in 50/50

[ivory hull]

kinda as in no

[sly venture]

and was getting ready for Soviets

[daring geyser]

i consider anything from 0-600 to be new player realm, 700 and up your skill depends on if you play on mp meta servers or not

[winter fulcrum]

not really, i have 600 hours and i conquered the world as italy, it was pretty easy

[upbeat tundra]

in mp?

[winter fulcrum]

on singleplayer

[daring geyser]

no one ever does wcs in mp

[upbeat tundra]

fair enough

[winter fulcrum]

i dont rlly play mp but if i do i dont go for world conquest?

[upbeat tundra]

wc isnt that hard imo

[daring geyser]

the only decent multiplayer games are organized historical games with actual rules and ppl teamworking where wc is literally impossible

if you play nonhist mp then you are playing slop

[bright arrow]

1955 battles be like

[upbeat tundra]

how does shangxi even exist?

[daring geyser]

it's easy as hell just incredibly time consuming

[bright arrow]

it got revived by the allies

[winter fulcrum]

it doesnt, my friend only conquered the world as germany with 800 hours, i nearly did all of it but quit the run because i got too bored with 600, i had already beaten the usa, britain, ussr, and germany and other countries

[upbeat tundra]

wild

[upbeat tundra]

world conquest isnt that hard?

its time consuming not hard

[daring geyser]

hours don't determine how good you are but they do determine if you are new

[bright arrow]

110 allied divs

[daring geyser]

your actual skill is your knowledge of the meta

[winter fulcrum]

yeah in your opinion, for others it can be or for some it is medium difficulty

[daring geyser]

and minmaxxing + micro

[upbeat tundra]

because its the truth?

[winter fulcrum]

just because you are skilled at a game doesnt make it easy for everyone

[upbeat tundra]

its really not that hard to wq?

its time consuming

ur saying it like wq is a massive achivement

[daring geyser]

if someone ever finds the ai challenging then they don't understand at least one of the core concepts of the game or just has bad templates

[upbeat tundra]

agreed

ai is pretty easy to shred through

[daring geyser]

yeah i did wc on one of my first germany playthroughs for the new world order achievement

[upbeat tundra]

nice

[bright arrow]

me when i have to fight the literal planet

[daring geyser]

its pretty easy

[upbeat tundra]

also u cant get senior hitler without dlc

just tried it

[winter fulcrum]

ai isnt challenging, the only problem ive ever had while fighting it was getting into the uk, that was it.

[patent thistle]

still before the war

[winter fulcrum]

wdym

its not garanteed

[daring geyser]

yeah then what makes wc challenging for you

[winter fulcrum]

its a chance to get the event

[daring geyser]

if not the ai

[winter fulcrum]

didnt say it was challenging

[upbeat tundra]

yeah and i tried it around 5 times

[winter fulcrum]

i said its not easy for EVERYONE

[winter fulcrum]

okay? so have i, dude i spent like 45 minutes trying to get it and barely got it

and u know u have to go fascist and have the german civil war happen

[daring geyser]

it's not easy for jimmy who is using 14/4s lol

[bright arrow]

each tile is literally 15~ allied divs in all fronts

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dankus-memecus-dankus-esports-speed5-hoi4-gif-27705602

[fringe mesa]

AI doing armor meme now and 36w tanks

[zenith charm]

execution scheduled tomorrow

[upbeat tundra]

everyone knows that div is so peak

[ivory hull]

no idea what mod that is

lol

[upbeat tundra]

im making it so every germany game u get this

[daring geyser]

as kar nonhist

[upbeat tundra]

the nordic reich

[fringe mesa]

askar nonhist

ya

[zenith charm]

too bad i dont play vanilla haha

[daring geyser]

popular mp mod for the rare kind of mp nonhist players which have neurons

[fringe mesa]

I also stenghtened germany in it but i dont think that would effect template

[daring geyser]

it doesn't

[upbeat tundra]

i dont think they realized that going into L8 forts over and over again works

[fathom shard]

is this the best template in the game 🤔

[daring geyser]

if you want to check which templates the ai does it's all in folders common/ai_templates if i recall correctly

and pretty easy to read

[upbeat tundra]

if you are a mountaineer and your power is mountains, what are you without them?

[upbeat tundra]

what mod is THAT

[zenith charm]

the fire rises

[upbeat tundra]

also 0 factories is diabolical

[fathom shard]

hmm

[upbeat tundra]

average ww1 general:

[daring geyser]

it is indeed very good although i would swap some support companies, rangers are better for europe and continents with a lot of forests

might want to make it half marines too

[zenith charm]

talking about ww1

once i was playing tgwr

and i rushed to get CAS on the frontline early

[fathom shard]

not really necessary

[zenith charm]

but since its ww1

[upbeat tundra]

i mean that is what centaura mod is basically

[fathom shard]

you could just make another template with marines

[zenith charm]

pov verdun

[upbeat tundra]

this is king micheal but i cant put my finger on it

[daring geyser]

half marines because they reduce river debuff and entirely removes the naval invasion debuffs if above +40% attack

[upbeat tundra]

who be naming this mods cities like geniunely

st kirk

[daring geyser]

so if you want to make your sfs a joker card with slightly less stats half marine is an option

[fathom shard]

half marine is maybe too much

[daring geyser]

the reason why specifically half is that mointaineers and rangers have more stats

[fathom shard]

but like 6 marines maybe

[zenith charm]

a instagram user

[daring geyser]

(it's literally the template that is used by every multiplayer meta server)

[fathom shard]

this is for sp^^

[daring geyser]

half marines works in sp

because it's vanilla meta

lol

[fathom shard]

i thought you stopped playing after ncns

[upbeat tundra]

can the comintern clutch? (i didnt get enough warscore for the peace so it survives)

[daring geyser]

the sfs meta is still the same with the addition of rangers

[zenith charm]

no

finish them

[upbeat tundra]

stalin will clutch

[daring geyser]

with rangers being better than mountaineers depending on terrain

[fathom shard]

no shit

[upbeat tundra]

whose ready for 1-1-1-1-1 infantry

[fathom shard]

anti tank in sp?

[zenith charm]

same stalin:

[daring geyser]

thats cuz the template is for mp

[fathom shard]

yeah i'm talking about sp templates

[daring geyser]

that's from the templates channel in redbaron

[fathom shard]

so that doesn't add anything

[daring geyser]

half marines are still meta in sp 😭

[upbeat tundra]

cooked

[atomic harbor]

im the goat i know

[fathom shard]

but anti tank is useless in sp

[atomic harbor]

ww2 ending in 1942

[daring geyser]

yes so you can make them without antitank

[upbeat tundra]

modify ur officers corps twin

[atomic harbor]

alr

[daring geyser]

half marines are to remove the naval invasion debuff and reduce river penalties

it's a good addition to make your sfs work for almost all situations

[upbeat tundra]

hoi1

[fathom shard]

wouldnt armored engineer company be better than field hospital

even tho it increases IC

[zenith charm]

you dont need officers corps when you got the will of the larp

[ivory hull]

he already has pioneers

[upbeat tundra]

sometimes i forget china has some of the worst divs ever

[zenith charm]

spot whats wrong

[daring geyser]

field hospital reduces strength loss which is equal to less equipment loss and more experience kept

• pioneers already in

[fathom shard]

right i forgot pioneer is like an engineer company

[upbeat tundra]

whatis MANCHUKUO DOING THERE

[upbeat tundra]

that emplies its STILL a japanese vassal

[misty fossil]

You played as germany then tag switched to argentina

[upbeat tundra]

yk the worse thing is fr*nce exists still

[left jewel]

italy

[zenith charm]

germany declared on all its neighbors

blame them

[upbeat tundra]

kaiser?

[zenith charm]

no, hitler

[left jewel]

their stupid ass focus that gives them wargoals on every commie absolutely broke my game

[upbeat tundra]

yo what are my bois peng duhai, zhu de and big lin bao doing

[zenith charm]

i dont think stalin is gonna save me here

[upbeat tundra]

assign everything to zhukov

he will clutch

[fringe mesa]

bro hasnt heard of an entrenched fallback line with max forts everywhere

[zenith charm]

forts suck

[zenith charm]

i had lvl 7 forts on kiev and behind dniper/marshes and they folded instantly

[upbeat tundra]

no they dont

[daring geyser]

how did you make those mistakes bruv

[fringe mesa]

u need good inf also

[upbeat tundra]

forts r good if u have a crapton of civvies

[fringe mesa]

they are fine

[upbeat tundra]

and u need civvies

[zenith charm]

my inf is like

[upbeat tundra]

to fix forts

[zenith charm]

9/3/3

[fringe mesa]

which u do as soviets

[fringe mesa]

hellll nahhh

[daring geyser]

decent on singleplayer awful on multiplayer

[zenith charm]

i had 300 civvies

and like 450 mils

[upbeat tundra]

forts are good on single player cause

[fringe mesa]

this is meta for vanilla

[zenith charm]

im not playing rt56

[fringe mesa]

wait no that isnt

wait thats vanialla

[daring geyser]

they're good cuz ai doesn't know how to stack modifiers, make bad cas, don't wait for full planning bonus, doesn't have good templates and doesn't use fortress buster generals

basically cuz the ai does everything wrong

[crude field]

whats the mod

[zenith charm]

world ablaze

[crude field]

thx

[upbeat tundra]

they kept doing that

for 5 years

and then got navaled by me

[fringe mesa]

they can still help with just defensive lines in mp

[upbeat tundra]

7.44 million dead to 49k id just surrender atp

[fringe mesa]

facist soviet build by 41

[daring geyser]

they will get instantly broken if tanks are on the field

with planning bonus + fortress buster + a lot of cas they become essentially a waste of ic

[fringe mesa]

not with at

also

some people forget fort buster

[daring geyser]

Inf with at doesn't stop good tanks and air

[fringe mesa]

its just like a thing to help

[daring geyser]

not how it works

[fringe mesa]

its not a thing u rely on

duhh

[upbeat tundra]

also that game i was playing starts in 1900 and they invaded in 1911 which means 1 single tank battalion

[slim nexus]

alright

[daring geyser]

Then you are playing with really bad people

[upbeat tundra]

and that 1 tank battalion got encircled

[zenith charm]

bt5 spam ftw

[upbeat tundra]

who forgets fort buster

its so peak

[daring geyser]

On competitive historical no one builds forts because everyone counters them really easily

And just becomes a waste of ic

Germany already starts with fortress buster too so bruh

[fringe mesa]

its still optimal for micro getting them to click it

[fringe mesa]

not every general has it

when they have like 80 tanks

[upbeat tundra]

but on single player mega maginot like works

line

[zenith charm]

first time?

[upbeat tundra]

nah

3rd time

but that nation is supposed to be insane to defend against

[daring geyser]

They won't click specifically the fort tiles they will click tiles which are important, and it will genuinely not matter which tiles have forts or not if Germany has fortress buster hitting 2k soft with oxygen

You will just have spent half a yesr building air

[fringe mesa]

u can get camouflage expert

[zenith charm]

yes ik antares sweep

[daring geyser]

It doesn't do enough to stop it

There's a reason sovs are always losing in competitive mp

[upbeat tundra]

ngl why does every non hist game have either

1. youth corps
2. soviet civil war lag
3. kaiser restored
4. oswald mosely GB

[zenith charm]

where is corvus

[upbeat tundra]

dead

[fringe mesa]

ur nto suppsoed to win ur supposed to delay

[zenith charm]

and whats aquila doing

[daring geyser]

Yeah but forts don't do anything lol

Genuinely you just waste ic

[upbeat tundra]

nothing cause antares didnt do the aquillan invasion focus

[daring geyser]

You will get pushed wherever they want to click

[upbeat tundra]

bc they need to invade cetus first

[daring geyser]

And then you can't click back because sovs can't click the forts without cas

There's a reason why everyone on RB will tell you to not build forts on mp

[zenith charm]

'i always switch teams to cetus on a centaura match and this is my work'

[upbeat tundra]

nuhuh

antares lost like 15 mill and ran outta mp

[zenith charm]

l or w turkey

[upbeat tundra]

technically not antares but

[zenith charm]

what happened

[upbeat tundra]

they flipped communist

[pulsar saffron]

how can i as commie china in this position best prepare to win ww3

[vocal bolt]

turns out I dint have the achivement for having 20 countries in my faction so I just went into the soviets to make a bazillion puppets

[upbeat tundra]

and this also happened taking out like 60 divs

[pulsar saffron]

first were going to defeat the dinky little spanish faction

[vocal bolt]

Question

[pulsar saffron]

and i was planning on getting every unaligned minor to join them to cap

but theyre all guaranteed by allies

[vocal bolt]

why is the monarch is back in fashing achiement even a thing

I fail to see why it needs its own achivement lmao

its literaly for doing a bare old focus

not a secret one either

you gotta fight no wars or build up no army for it

you just click the focus for achivement

[safe wing]

its an old achivement

[fair horizon]

Amazing tank

[safe wing]

like it came out in 2018

[zenith charm]

ikr

[fair horizon]

Forts suck

Could have spent that ic on more factories

[zenith charm]

hows my infantry template 🥹

[safe wing]

Shit

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-horse-girl-umazing-thumb-up-gif-15731209575560032684

[woeful knoll]

whats the difference between a support artillery and line artillery IRL?

[zenith charm]

u havent seen my tank yet

[safe wing]

Remove the line artillery

[zenith charm]

its even better

[vocal bolt]

we got bigger fish to fry

no aa

[woeful knoll]

What the hell are you talking about

Yes you do

German civil war

[zenith charm]

its not the real stats btw

[safe wing]

Probably like mortars and light artillery

[vocal bolt]

if you fail that might aswell uninstall

[woeful knoll]

i failed when i was new lol

and you did to

if you clicked oppose ihtler when you were new

[vocal bolt]

I assume long range arty vs field guns

[woeful knoll]

makes snese

[pale flare]

i love turtling up

[vocal bolt]

I love klraing up

[pale flare]

[woeful knoll]

Why is chine controlled by japan

but all the warlords are fine

[pale flare]

china joined the allies

[woeful knoll]

holy non historical

[pale flare]

i was a faction leader united china front but did the decision that left then all warlords turned against me

[finite plume]

I've mastered the skills of Romania to the point I steal more equipment than actually exists

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-doctor-pigeon-doctor-walking-t-mobile-gif-7871406254764076813

[woeful knoll]

bro just do the strategy

idk why yall are doing ts as prc

just do the justify on heibei strat

[pale flare]

im doing it for shits and giggles and see where it gets me

[upbeat tundra]

yeah u cant get senior hitler without waking the tiger

just looked it up

[woeful knoll]

Wow thanks for telling me this info

[upbeat tundra]

its cause some goofball was saying earlier it was possible

[woeful knoll]

Who TF doesnt have waking the tiger but has the soth america dlc

[safe wing]

at this point no one considering WTT is basegame

[woeful knoll]

exactly

[dusky burrow]

pov you're left out of place

[upbeat tundra]

wait where does the nation get the horses

if u do a ton of cav

[woeful knoll]

is molbile infatnry just trash

[woeful knoll]

Mounted infantry doctrine

if thats what ur saying

[upbeat tundra]

i meant like

if u do 1 million cav divs

does the game just make a horse breeding labratory

to supply a ton of horses?

[dusky burrow]

yes

lmao

idk

that said

[woeful knoll]

true

[dusky burrow]

this is the only mounted infantry buff in the whole branch

just a random 20% breakthrough bonus for some reason

[woeful knoll]

The doctrines try to give everyone buffs and put a little more buffs on the selected unit

Even though nobody uses ever yunit

[dusky burrow]

cavalry needs more buffs, it barely gets any here and you literally can't grind doctrines with them

[loud shuttle]

after 2 years since my last ironman soviet campaign, i finally did it

[woeful knoll]

cav is only useful if your country gets like +500 percent cavaltry attack

same with militia

[dusky burrow]

except that is not the case, cavalry don't get buffs in other doctrines and infantry + mot/mech get stacked bonuses at multiple nodes per doctrine

[upbeat tundra]

nahh horses have a habit of dying easier then trucks

[loud shuttle]

peace deal cancer as always

[upbeat tundra]

u think thats bad?

[loud shuttle]

could be way worse

but germany is the main part

and benelux

[upbeat tundra]

you think that germany is bad?

[loud shuttle]

what is even going on

[upbeat tundra]

3 germanies

german reich

german republic

and french germany

• mini silesia

[loud shuttle]

fantastic

and bavaria

[upbeat tundra]

mini silesia and bav

and the sudentenland country

[clear dagger]

how

[worn cliff]

holy shit this was the longest war ever

[loud shuttle]

thats just crazy bro

[loud shuttle]

WHAT is the holy rus bro

[worn cliff]

holy russian empire

[cedar wyvern]

As Otto I'm hated by everyone in Europe except for Wilhelm and the Bulgarian tsar

[loud shuttle]

what mod is this

[cedar wyvern]

😭

Son

[rapid furnace]

Die for Hungary i guess

[worn cliff]

type of thing i genuinely had to face

[cedar wyvern]

Have you ever had to fight in the middle east

[dense bronze]

"What if Japan nuked Hawaii and London in '48?" Scenario

[vocal bolt]

is this would divison ? how would this even happen tho

like alternate history wise

there is no way in hell japan even lasts till 46

[dense bronze]

Well obviously unless if I'm the one on the Chrysanthemum Throne 😉

[dense bronze]

A lot of editing with toolpack
After winning WW2 I usually like to tweak things around to make the scenario more interesting

[languid patrol]

map mods fixed yet?

[languid patrol]

vanilla?

[dense bronze]

With utility mods but otherwise yes

[cedar wyvern]

😭

[bright arrow]

The European mainland is back under Socialist control

[languid patrol]

I HATE VANILLA HOI4 PROVINCES

bro

[misty fossil]

bro released puppets

[languid patrol]

this enrages me

the rhineland

it doesnt even follow the rhine

[dense bronze]

My brother in Christ please use Player-led conferences 😭

[clear dagger]

looks like [Title card] in S4 E5

[languid patrol]

and middle east states too

[upbeat tundra]

oh i am

i made this myself

along with

[cedar wyvern]

Genuinely tell me why Germany is in Macedonia in my campaign

[misty fossil]

this is high japan performance (not even at war with allies yet)

[languid patrol]

this MIGHT be the worst map ever

[upbeat tundra]

this is

[languid patrol]

map mods work again?

[dense bronze]

map mod?

[misty fossil]

lene's map i think

[languid patrol]

was js gonna ask

[misty fossil]

i posted it in this channel

its somewhere

[upbeat tundra]

who likes warsaw, german republic, krakau german reich and radom, poland

[languid patrol]

the longer i look the more questions i have

[upbeat tundra]

just saying silesia exists

[misty fossil]

oh btw it went right over 67.67 so no 67.67 for us

[rapid furnace]

And germany made this puppet

[dense bronze]

My mind has been infested by TNO
I need 500 Reichkomissariats and Imperial protectorats in my axis power playthrough

[misty fossil]

its just heavily modded

[upbeat tundra]

cheklosolovakia

[misty fossil]

better to just occupy them

just do east asian prosperity

ez 100% compliance

[upbeat tundra]

spot whats wrong with lithuania

[misty fossil]

it exists

[fathom shard]

what mods ru using brooo

[misty fossil]

hold on

give me 5 minutes

[pale flare]

they decided to drag the japanese in

war taking so long this is how their stuff now looks lmao

[misty fossil]

keep in mind i usually turn a few things off

just make sure all of them are still up to date

(it crashes all the time)

[upbeat tundra]

why are hoi4 quotes like "dont annex a country, country an annex"

[lethal ether]

does this actually work togheter

[fathom shard]

YO what

[misty fossil]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

twenty ic dockyard output

[misty fossil]

proof

[dusky burrow]

bruh

[misty fossil]

i have that mod off

[dusky burrow]

also why is klaus schwab in vanilla plus lmao

[misty fossil]

the only time i played with it the allies had 2000 ships

the us alone had 1400

[lethal ether]

mussolini fresh out the shower in that list:

[misty fossil]

at least i dont play the anime portraits mod

[dusky burrow]

there should be a special project mod in there, that would make vanilla more interesting

[misty fossil]

true

you reminded me

[dusky burrow]

i remember coming up on some good ones

[misty fossil]

bm more special projects

[dusky burrow]

also there's a decent support helicopter mod i found

[lethal ether]

where is colored puppets

we all use colored puppets right

[misty fossil]

thats a thing?

[misty fossil]

show

[lethal ether]

..right?

[dusky burrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3626338640

[misty fossil]

oh my BBA air mod overhaul has its own helicopter tree

[whole yacht]

Now that I think about it, why doesn’t anyone make a cyberpunk 2077 mod?

[misty fossil]

lol

[misty fossil]

a lot of time investment i reckon

would be nice to see

[gentle cloak]

If I play non historical and I ban an ideology like facism in my nation, will that make axis declare war on me?

[misty fossil]

no

[lethal ether]

what would it even be about

[whole yacht]

The world?

[misty fossil]

corporate wars 🗣️ 🔥

[whole yacht]

Or that

[gentle cloak]

Is that to me

[whole yacht]

Different eras

[misty fossil]

no

just ban any ideologies you dont like

no one cares

lmao

[whole yacht]

A decent quantity of the lore outside North America is pretty known.

[gentle cloak]

I was playing Russian and axis declared war on me a month after I banned facism

[misty fossil]

axis always declares on you

[lethal ether]

germany is supposed to do barbarossa

[misty fossil]

just ban it anyway

[whole yacht]

Dubai gets nuked and then a city called New Dubai is made, people develop cities in Antarctica stuff like that

[vital cove]

not ironman

[lethal ether]

its in their focus tree

[lethal ether]

i would rather not get achievements than have uncolored puppets

[gentle cloak]

You know it’s impossible to win if they declare war on me right? They’re not supposed to

[ivory hull]

why care about achievements

[lethal ether]

its just distgusting

[vital cove]

skill issue

[vital cove]

because its funny to get an achievement without trying to

[deft tangle]

Does anybody know if there's a way to make division counters smaller? I mean this:

[lethal ether]

mods

[misty fossil]

if you lose to germany you're doing something wrong

[vital cove]

do y'all have any more of them pixels

[misty fossil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1401796694&searchtext=colored+puppets this?

[deft tangle]

After some point there's a ridiculous amount of divisions in a frontline and I cant see crap

[deft tangle]

Unfortunately no

Thats all I got

[crude field]

looks pretty small to me

[ivory hull]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698792578
i use this

[misty fossil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3698792578 try this

oh

[ivory hull]

lol

[deft tangle]

Damn combo

[lethal ether]

i use always colored puppets or something like that

[deft tangle]

Thanks

[misty fossil]

it is colored puppets

[lethal ether]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3368690477&searchtext=always+color+puppets

[deft tangle]

It does look small when it's like that, but now when you got 10-15 divisions on each tile it's pure hell lol

[misty fossil]

lol look at this gem i found

[surreal urchin]

@crude field so basicly i invaded poland-then france and the baltic

[surreal urchin]

then attacked russia

[keen pebble]

if i wanna play esat india company whcih of these do i choose?

[crude field]

so u were in ww2 with uk for that long

[surreal urchin]

10 hours irl

10 hours straight

it took me the whole day

[crude field]

did u build air

[rapid furnace]

The anarcist spawn here for some reason

[surreal urchin]

yea, solid but thier air defences are too heavy

[crude field]

lemme guess solid is 5 mils u need to spammmmmmmmm air

[surreal urchin]

so wasnt be able to make operations on thier airspace

[misty fossil]

add these mods as well

[surreal urchin]

3100 aircraft on london

is that enough?

[crude field]

depends how early

but u prolly need more

and high quality

[surreal urchin]

Methersmedt aircrafts

jets

and a TA 152 max

everything is max

[crude field]

then u need allat more late game

[lethal ether]

state interactions is also nice

u can demand stuff orclaim stuff

and core stuff

[misty fossil]

eh

[lethal ether]

if u have 80% compliance

[misty fossil]

i alr have core without compliance

[surreal urchin]

i wont play late game again

everything breaks after 45

[lethal ether]

how

[surreal urchin]

crazy devision numbers

OP countries appears

[lethal ether]

the more divisions the less supplied they are

templates also matter (which the ai is very very good and scary at)

[surreal urchin]

that hurts my eyes

[rapid furnace]

What is better to do

[surreal urchin]

radioactive picture of finland

[lethal ether]

what mod is this

[surreal urchin]

molotov

you will get raw materials

and stay friendly with the soviets

untill you invade them

[rapid furnace]

What are the benifts of doing the Anti-Soviet Pact

[misty fossil]

bro plays on a nokia

[lethal ether]

?

[surreal urchin]

a intel hd 4600 and a 720q monitor

[rapid furnace]

Foucs and portait remake

[misty fossil]

molotov i think

idk

[lethal ether]

thx

[surreal urchin]

see the effects

[rapid furnace]

Oh and also supporting finland

[surreal urchin]

i think it would just destroy the realitionship between you and soviets

[surreal urchin]

it wont affect the game

in both situations they will do a wp

and in both situations also you can made finland join the axis

[rapid furnace]

Just doing these foucses rn

[surreal urchin]

idk , they are from the mod

what mod is this

[rapid furnace]

they are in vanila but the icons anit

[surreal urchin]

military factories focus?

in the economy tree?

[rapid furnace]

yeah

[surreal urchin]

am i right?

[lethal ether]

yes

they are

[rapid furnace]

There goes the Carlists

[surreal urchin]

avrage non-historical match be like:

thats a mess

[rapid furnace]

I feel like its better to ally the chinese

[surreal urchin]

if you are not prepared for war

then yes you should

but you aint big enough

you need to get bigger

so no fight them

[thick vector]

Will consumer goods continue to increase over time?

[surreal urchin]

that depends about the MEFO bills if you're still paying it or not

and some other things idk about it

[thick vector]

I don't use Germany and I haven't used any other country for now.

[surreal urchin]

well , i dont know then . you should wait for somebody to answer . you can post your question here #ask-for-help-here

[heavy vigil]

no

its a % of your military and civillian factories

[misty fossil]

yeah 4 year plan

[heavy vigil]

its better to annex them with full collabs :D

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-gif-3749724709641675358

or just 2 collabs and get senbu occupation law or east asian prosperity

[thick vector]

How can we ensure that consumer goods do not increase for free, other than by changing the economy?

[misty fossil]

by decreasing consumer goods factories factor and consumer goods percentage

[finite plume]

Certified Romanian stockpile 🔥 🇷🇴

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/romanian-anti-air-romania-anti-air-gif-25843679

[thick vector]

What are some examples?

[misty fossil]

i dont have any on me rn

[surreal urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/nle-choppa-graggletwo-cold-outside-NVsfexdS97GttVQPzL

[upbeat helm]

Is 30 width for mountaineers to much

[misty fossil]

i mean you can try finding some yt tutorials on economy

32 is best width for mountains

[lethal ether]

what country are you playing?

[misty fossil]

i guess germany

they just got 100% csg factor

its a bit tricky

[upbeat helm]

it's 30 due to buffs that reduce width but I am pretty sure it is 32 without the buffs

[lethal ether]

there are decisions to just get gold from countries you invade lol

[misty fossil]

i personally would go peg but ive been told 4yp is better in mp

since i play naval

building up a navy would take too long for the economy to survive

[thick vector]

I will use the country of Indonesia later, so now I want to increase my knowledge of hoi4 because using a country from 0 is very difficult

[misty fossil]

4yp works if you dont put as heavy an emphasis on navy

but if you do navy you have to spend like almost an entire year building dockyards

[rapid furnace]

The falangists won

[surreal urchin]

then get germany

balanced

[misty fossil]

there are good beginner tutorial videos on yt

go to #ask-for-help-here and check pins

[heavy vigil]

no fun

[thick vector]

I just need to study consumer goods more deeply because this is the most difficult thing.

[lethal ether]

consumer good is just % of ur factories (civillian and millitary).

[surreal urchin]

bro i didnt feel the day passing

i just remember coming from school and launching hoi4

[lethal ether]

i think getting bigger on the map is the most fun newcomers have

[surreal urchin]

then i woke up at 1:40AM trying to figure out what happened

all because i played as germany

[thick vector]

I will join Axis🥀

[rapid furnace]

What is better to do

[heavy vigil]

big stat dopamine is good

[heavy vigil]

annex so you can release them again

[eternal aspen]

historical is puppet slovak, partition with hungary lets them join axis, and annex all is annexing czechoslovakia

[surreal urchin]

more lands more factories

and resources

(personal experiense tried it myself 85 years ago)

[rapid furnace]

gonna form bohmen

[surreal urchin]

not now

after you invade europe do it

[lethal ether]

why

[surreal urchin]

because he will need every factory for weapons

and equipments

then when he invade europe

[lethal ether]

3 extra factories wont make any difference

[surreal urchin]

he will have alot of factories

so its ok

[surreal urchin]

depends on how many factroy in region

but if its 3 then we can say ok

[lethal ether]

idk if its 3 but im pretty sure its not enough to make a difference

[solid dirge]

Guys this tutorial level is taking too long

[upbeat tundra]

only 6 thousand more

then you get to learn naval

[solid dirge]

8*

[solid dirge]

Who needs naval when you got steal navy

[lethal ether]

navy is so easy

put all in 1 group

click on patrol

click on sea zone

naval invade

[upbeat tundra]

its called a J O K E

[lethal ether]

deactivate patrol

easy

[lethal ether]

and im joking too

[upbeat tundra]

just sub spam

[slim nexus]

alright

[misty fossil]

you have more hours in this game than i have talking to women (excluding my mom and grandmas)

bravo

[upbeat tundra]

anyone with 2 minutes of gameplay has more time

[misty fossil]

crazy because i have a gf

[solid dirge]

I mean if my time was in miliseconds it would be more accurate

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doubt-press-x-3

playing hoi4 and having a gf are mutually exclusive focuses

[lethal ether]

men will do anything but hold a conversation with a woman for more than 30 seconds

[solid dirge]

Your hb dressed as your crush doesnt count I asked

[lethal ether]

landing on the moon type shit

[misty fossil]

lol

[solid dirge]

The only thing im holding is the frontline

[bright arrow]

how my AI save started

[lethal ether]

i bet none of those astronauts that just got shot up into space have wifes

[bright arrow]

i was pretty much cooked

[lethal ether]

true

[misty fossil]

LMAO

good one

but nah

[upbeat tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-2

[bright arrow]

how its now

[upbeat tundra]

but hoi4 and having a girl are mutually exclusive

[bright arrow]

millions must die

[lethal ether]

how many deaths?

!

[upbeat tundra]

how good is ur K/D

[lethal ether]

[dusky burrow]

time to knock out the uk or the us

[upbeat tundra]

"soviet polish"

lemme guess poland was guaranteed by GB

[misty fossil]

rules are made to be broken

[bright arrow]

i made the comeback from Kazan with only 50 divs

[upbeat tundra]

50 well fortified, entrentched divs vs 1000 shit divs is the average china game

[lethal ether]

i dont think you can break reality like that

you got a wormhole or something

[misty fossil]

i mean

[dusky burrow]

woah

[upbeat tundra]

not even focus.nochecks can change that

[bright arrow]

except they werent good

[lethal ether]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

how did you lose to poland before winning again

[upbeat tundra]

winged hussar charge

[upbeat tundra]

proly

[upbeat tundra]

i got a better one

hold up

[bright arrow]

here is the soviet army at the start

[lethal ether]

robotics enthusiast?

[bright arrow]

entirely cooked with no manpower

[dusky burrow]

how

how did you lose so badly

[bright arrow]

cuz the ai, just didnt save pp to go to forced conscription

[bright arrow]

it was an ai game, i was observing

[misty fossil]

i only have like

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

[bright arrow]

then, i took control

[misty fossil]

1100 hours in hoi bro

[bright arrow]

of the soviets

[amber matrix]

tuff

[bright arrow]

i like to save dying ai games

[misty fossil]

why does that look like a black metal cover

[upbeat tundra]

time magazines takes are so funny

[bright arrow]

China died 3 times to the allies untill they finally figured out that making it democratic would make them an ally

[upbeat tundra]

even better

[lethal ether]

stalin kind of looks like thomas the train in this picture

idk why

[upbeat tundra]

yo i cant unsee now

DAMIT

[misty fossil]

censor the swastika buddy

mods here no like swastika

[upbeat tundra]

oh wow i thought hoi4 wouldnt censor history

but

ig not

[misty fossil]

lol

[bright arrow]

bruh

[upbeat tundra]

not even hoi4 can escape the censorship of history

[lethal ether]

no but really

i cant be the only one to see it

[upbeat tundra]

i see it

[bright arrow]

hoi4 doesnt even use the nazi flag in game

[upbeat tundra]

what i dont understand is if hitler is censored why arent leaders such as mao, stalin, and other brutal regimes also censored?

like it feels hypocritical

[misty fossil]

dont think mods like it when you talk about nuances in history

[upbeat tundra]

i thought hoi4 would be more open to historical discussion

but i guess not

[misty fossil]

hoi4 already has enough weird people to warrant censorship

[bright arrow]

in hoi4 game no crimes against humanity are commited or allowed

[misty fossil]

i dont think you necessarily want more

[lethal ether]

perfect form of artwork

[bright arrow]

thats why nukes dont kill people

[misty fossil]

the news are going nuts over TFR

[upbeat tundra]

still isnt it hypocritical to censor hitler and his regime when far worse dictators arent?

[misty fossil]

i mean

there's tojo

yamashita

[upbeat tundra]

and he aint censored

[misty fossil]

meh

at least dirlewanger doesnt exist

[upbeat tundra]

i find it bad that japan still uses their ww2 flag on their navy

[misty fossil]

its japan what do you expect

[upbeat tundra]

like if germany was forced to switch why isnt japan forced to switch as well

[bright arrow]

they dont censor hitler, he is there. they just censor all the things associated with crimes against humanity

[upbeat tundra]

imagine if the kriegsmarine suddenly used the ww2 flag

[bright arrow]

the flag is a symbol of it

[lethal ether]

bulgaria still uses the same color flag, so does romania, so does france, the uk has the same flag, the us has the same flag, they all partook and killed people

[upbeat tundra]

similarily why isnt japans flag censored?

[upbeat tundra]

the us has added 37 more stars no?

[upbeat tundra]

frances flag has changed a lot since burbon france would you say that?

[lethal ether]

so if japan adds 1 more stripe itll be alr

[lethal ether]

well arent we talking about ww2? in war everybody kills people

[upbeat tundra]

i mean i just find it strange that germany gets forced to switch but not japan...

[bright arrow]

japan flag isnt on the same political level. so much so that it tecnically still flies today under their navy

[upbeat tundra]

crimes against HUMANITY

vs wartime

[upbeat tundra]

how so?

it was the official ensign of ww2 japan was it not?

[bright arrow]

nazi navy flag is in game, just not the political one

[heavy vigil]

its still in use

[safe wing]

should have used this one instead

[heavy vigil]

the JNSDF still uses it

[lethal ether]

why does he fit in so good 😭

[upbeat tundra]

i know thats what im trying to point out

[heavy vigil]

okay what are you pointing out

[upbeat tundra]

his side hustle was being a sovciet premier

[heavy vigil]

you can post the german cross thing too

[upbeat tundra]

buyt thats not the accual german flag during that time period

that IS historical censorship

[heavy vigil]

theyve used it in the military since before

same for the japanese navy flag

[upbeat tundra]

im not defending the nazis, not by a long shot, but why censor history

[gentle cloak]

I was playing tsar russia and Japan joined axis and the declared on me in the middle of the civ war while I was still fighting soviet

[heavy vigil]

it was never their state flag, either

it was just the navy flag, but since the US mostly fought the IJN (they also had ground units ofc) they didnt really see other flags

[upbeat tundra]

what was japans state flag?

[heavy vigil]

and so it kind of stuck in media/games as "state flag" but its wholly incorrect

[bright arrow]

you cant commit attrocities in hoi4, so why have political flags? only army exists in hoi4

[heavy vigil]

it was white with a red circle in the middle

[safe wing]

the same one in hoi4 as of NCNS

[bright arrow]

so only army flags matter

[heavy vigil]

they changed it though in the 90s iirc

[upbeat tundra]

army and navy and airforce

[heavy vigil]

to be a different shade of red or something

[upbeat tundra]

they changed the shade of red if im not incorrect

slightly redder red

[heavy vigil]

so they did change the state flag since then, technically

i need to sleep

[upbeat tundra]

yeah but why keep that flag for the navy?

[upbeat tundra]

good night

ima play some more hoi4

[heavy vigil]

idk its just the navy flag

[bright arrow]

probably better visibility at sea

and navy tradition

nazi flag has literally no tradition

[upbeat tundra]

i mean germanies naval flag for ww2 also is visible at sea

[upbeat tundra]

this is literally flag, japan vs flag, germany

both had atrocities commited under them so why only censor one

[bright arrow]

you ask me stuff like im the head dev of hoi4

[heavy vigil]

one is typically used only to engage in political extremism, and that flag is also no longer in use

[upbeat tundra]

im asking you stuff like you are saying one shouldnt be censored due to tradition

[heavy vigil]

while the other one does not carry that issue/connotation in the english / western hoi4 community

[upbeat tundra]

well thats another bigger problem but

[heavy vigil]

if that clears things up enough, i will ask you to move on from the conversation (politely)

[upbeat tundra]

yeah thats fine

this started from time putting hitler as person of the year in 1938

[heavy vigil]

if you have issues/frustrations with the censorship, you should either make a mod ticket or talk to chak when hes available and working (either or)

[misty fossil]

rip

[gentle cloak]

It’s better to play historical for tsar russia I guess

[bright arrow]

worse is when soviets join axis because the civil war is ongoing

[safe wing]

huh?

[warm falcon]

ye thats really the worse

[warm falcon]

that is why i start over again if the event is shown for the japanese focus where they will declare on you if i play soviets

[dusky burrow]

i love my artillery

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[rapid furnace]

Of we go!

That was Quick

[eternal aspen]

man my army is way too small for ww1

[dusky burrow]

what's that first support company

[eternal aspen]

i do have 240 of them in europe alone

flamethrowers

and that arty is actually heavy artillery

[rapid furnace]

Anyway should i form general goverment

[eternal aspen]

yes

it's always good to, bc rosenberg gives you more output

i can't even use navy rn

[upbeat tundra]

soviet ass tactics

[dusky burrow]

which mod is this

[eternal aspen]

Rise of Nations

[dusky burrow]

germany attacking the benelux be like

[rapid furnace]

Now thats just ugly

[upbeat tundra]

yeah uhh

i dont think they know how to handle level 8 forts

with a total div defence buff of 100 percent

yeah uhh

this is just sad

[rapid furnace]

The Legacy off 71

[dusky burrow]

what is this 🙁

[rapid furnace]

Is it best to form vichy france

[viscid mason]

You should establish VF. Anyways what mod are you using?

[knotty bane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1295017956769665094/1490510446300500141/Hearts_of_Iron_IV_DirectX_11_2026_04_06_3_35_59.png?ex=69d45186&is=69d30006&hm=d2744243755f6868316528e23e21f7827bbae0802912b17fa4899a5dc04f2f25&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1522&height=856

some milita momento

[misty fossil]

"heavy artillery"