hoi4-general

[weak magnet]

but why do people use those

[daring geyser]

when i first played france i held against germany with ease and i was a drooling new player when i did it

[heavy vigil]

they want to play better

[weak magnet]

im on elite

its a bit harder i think cuz of the pp

oh yeah thats for sure

[daring geyser]

because they are meant for multiplayer where all builds are minmaxxed

[weak magnet]

the pp in elite kills me

[daring geyser]

you will rarely see a sp build guide

[heavy vigil]

try elite ethiopia/afghanistan

[weak magnet]

ok i get that then, for mp

[knotty vortex]

why is tech juggling useful

if you basiclaly lose a tech slot

[heavy vigil]

-70% research speed, negative production cap

speed for eth

[heavy vigil]

you lose nothing

[daring geyser]

because sometimes there are techs much more worth it to get than others so that losing research time is necessary

if you juggle eme that will echo throughout the whole game

[heavy vigil]

eh its 30 days

not that much

but it can help

[weak magnet]

but thats just like

painful

i guess

not challenging

well its challenging

but primarily painful

[heavy vigil]

it is challenging

[weak magnet]

but since i play on elite things are a bit harder

[heavy vigil]

just play france normally, difficulties dont make ai better

[daring geyser]

there's a reason almost all mp builds juggle it

[heavy vigil]

just messes up your build

[weak magnet]

i dont want the AI to be better

i guess i want like

more of a "narrow" window

[heavy vigil]

france already has narrow windows to do stuff

[weak magnet]

oh yeah for sure

[heavy vigil]

or youre like a trash nation

[daring geyser]

the ai is stoopid you can just hold the forest tiles + maginot cycling 16w with support aa and you hold

[weak magnet]

i have static aa

[daring geyser]

then you wait so that you can have an airforce pump out sfs and win

[weak magnet]

muahaha

[daring geyser]

does nothing against cas

[weak magnet]

thats fine

[heavy vigil]

cas hurts

[weak magnet]

they have no airforce

[daring geyser]

its kinda bad unless you're getting strat bombed

[weak magnet]

i have airforce

[weak magnet]

yea this is one of the reasons

[daring totem]

Can anyone help me with this error

[weak magnet]

i got rid of their airforce

[daring geyser]

does german ai even build strat bombers

[daring totem]

I have it since the last year

[weak magnet]

yes dude

especially italy

i have no idea why they do it so much

they bombed my forts out of existence i cant even have shit anymore

[heavy vigil]

they have tacs

germany too

[weak magnet]

oh true

yes yes true

[daring geyser]

tac bombers dont deal that much damage

[weak magnet]

cuz im getting logi bombed

[daring geyser]

tbf

[weak magnet]

they do

[heavy vigil]

they do

[weak magnet]

to logistics

especially

[heavy vigil]

its more strat per IC

but like, you should be fine if you use AA because they also go on CAS

dont need static really

but youre relying on forts so idk

[daring totem]

Why its the agent captured screen in half

[heavy vigil]

forts are so bad man

[weak magnet]

i find them ok

i dont like how

they get damaged so quick

[woeful knoll]

I know, im playing spanish directory, it is rng on where the carlists spawn (same with other stuff like anarchists)

[daring geyser]

against the ai they are alr

[daring geyser]

against a player they are fully useless

[pastel urchin]

i aint reading allat

[weak magnet]

yeah

but i dont play mp at all

i dont find it fun people play too slow

[heavy vigil]

ive played the ai a lot and forts have never saved me

[weak magnet]

well

id hope so

[pastel urchin]

basically france is the best nation

[daring geyser]

people play too slow on hoi4 official and servers alike

[heavy vigil]

each time id rather have mils

[daring geyser]

if you play mp on random lobbies its going to suck

[weak magnet]

yea i agree

I really dont like mp

[daring geyser]

need to find an organized game

[weak magnet]

its also very foreign

the game you play there

is different than in sp

[heavy vigil]

@daring geyser when are you hosting here

[weak magnet]

i dont know if that makes sense

[daring geyser]

never

[heavy vigil]

yeah

its different

you actually have people to research for you in mp

and more factories

and just generally more stuff

and in noob lobbies you have greedy useless teammates

while in sp you can rarely license anything useful

you dont get civboosted or anything

but your enemies also play isolated

all ai does not care about their allies too much

[weak magnet]

yeah exactly

[heavy vigil]

whether its other ai or players

[daring geyser]

as an one thousand hour semicomp mp player ™ i'd say it's not that different it's just that mp is a higher level of gameplay, because everything that is meta in mp is also pretty much meta on singleplayer as well (except the prioritization of hard attack).. but the biggest difference is team collaboration yeah

[weak magnet]

i have as many hours as you

[knotty vortex]

is eme the only research upgrading one worth it?

[daring geyser]

i mean i have 1k ONLY in mp

[weak magnet]

i mean

[heavy vigil]

its a big IC and tech difference i find

[weak magnet]

oh damn

[heavy vigil]

but like, the game is still the same

[knotty vortex]

im watching marchiv and he says that the mechanical computing one will end up paying off after about 6 years

[weak magnet]

the game is the same but the mentality different

[heavy vigil]

some things like larger unit take less losses apply universally

[weak magnet]

sp i will always have the leeway to do whatever i want, how i want, and succeed

mp i will never have this

[heavy vigil]

youd always like to win in a reasonable time

[weak magnet]

true

[daring geyser]

it is true although i hate singleplayer because it's mind numbingly easy

and just time consuming

it's a cake recipe game

[weak magnet]

i think it depends

like

i dont knoiw templates by heart

so i dont find it easy since i gotta do stuff myself

[heavy vigil]

if you make it harder/know less

its fine

or limit yourself

[weak magnet]

yea like i dont rly know what to do

exactly

so i enjoy it

[daring geyser]

well once you do you just beat the ai 100% of the time basically

[weak magnet]

like i smile when i get overran which means i enjoy it

[daring geyser]

cuz your templates just become too good

[weak magnet]

or i hope

[daring geyser]

in comparison to theirs

[weak magnet]

exactly

[daring geyser]

and you can minmax modifiers

[weak magnet]

like my template is horrible

[daring geyser]

casey you did a mengkukuo wc man

[weak magnet]

so i have a more challenging experience

[heavy vigil]

did i?

i forgot

[daring geyser]

didnt you

you told me

[heavy vigil]

maybe?

[daring geyser]

that was last patch

[heavy vigil]

i think i tried and failed

as fascist*

well like itd be easy if i got to civil war and be free

[daring geyser]

what do your templates look like

[heavy vigil]

so like new mengkukuo is like easy

[weak magnet]

for france they are literally the default one

except

i add flame tanks

since i have to bite the bullet and accept they are very good

[heavy vigil]

so i failed because i limited myself heavily

[daring geyser]

the default inf for france is not bad assuming you're building mostly them

[weak magnet]

Ngl though i have reason as to why they are the default one,

[heavy vigil]

but thats ok

i puppeted italy in one of the runs

[weak magnet]

with france

It is incredibly hard to do anything

in elite, bc i only play elite

[sudden raptor]

someone give ma a country reccomendation pls

[weak magnet]

yeah actually not bad

here look

I dont mind it

Served me right

[daring geyser]

oh man

[weak magnet]

Idk if the recon does anything but i had a lot of trucks

And nothing else

😢

U see what i mean this is just how i play

Headless chicken strat

[daring geyser]

you have too many support companies 😢

and most of them dont even help you hold

but i wont tell you how to play the game

[weak magnet]

i added the field hospital and recon now

[daring geyser]

since you dont want to

[weak magnet]

i was going to add more inf, but i dont have manpower for it

[weak magnet]

theres like a ratio to that right

[heavy vigil]

its gen chat

[weak magnet]

support companies -> how many brigades

[thick vector]

Are 1940s aircraft enough to control the English Channel?

[heavy vigil]

i only give advice very vaguely here

[zealous lynx]

Guys

[heavy vigil]

yes

[zealous lynx]

How to beat japan as china

[heavy vigil]

use army

make weapons for army

dont make bad weapons

[zealous lynx]

So guns spam

Rifle rifle rifle

[heavy vigil]

well probably support arty as much as possible

and then gun

your gun deficit is not recoverable

[zealous lynx]

Also how do i do good division

[heavy vigil]

6 inf support arty

[zealous lynx]

I want to form chinese empire

[prisma steppe]

which nation ( with the most broken focus tree mod for the respective nation that actually exists in existence) against a player controlled world whith vannila foci, ah also the war starts in 37 and no major, who wouldve win with what mod?

[daring geyser]

based on your org actually

i do usually either 8 inf brigades (16w) with only one support aa or if i want expensive inf i go for org subdoctrine then 16w with support aa, field hospital, signal company (for the reinforce rate) and logi if i'm soviets

[heavy vigil]

large divs good

[weak magnet]

i see this

[daring geyser]

for attacc

[heavy vigil]

32w inf with all supports is the goat in sp now

[zealous lynx]

I heard space marine

[daring geyser]

not for cycle

[heavy vigil]

for defense too

in sp

[daring geyser]

only in sp

[heavy vigil]

because you dont get crit

[daring geyser]

cuz ai cant meme

[heavy vigil]

in some mp too

[zealous lynx]

Can i get a picture of the best div template

[heavy vigil]

it depends

[daring geyser]

in mp where people are too stupid to stack modifiers and cas sure

[zealous lynx]

I meant for infantry

Because i only use infantry and horsey's

[heavy vigil]

something like this

[daring geyser]

asks for infantry
sends sfs space marines

[zealous lynx]

So Gorska pesadija?

[weak magnet]

I went for desparate defense

[heavy vigil]

he asks for best division

i give best division

[weak magnet]

I am stuck with -200 pp at all times

😢

This was interesting tho

cuz i take pp for granted with the other nations

[daring geyser]

yeah

[zealous lynx]

I saw this on google

When i searched space marine

[daring geyser]

@tommykay this u?

[zealous lynx]

Is this good?

[daring geyser]

maybe in 1937

[weak magnet]

what about aa brigade?

[daring geyser]

not at all for a general template

[zealous lynx]

This?

[daring geyser]

it's very good but since they take away org and hp they take out a lot of the potential for cycling, hence i only use them with bigger divisions

[zealous lynx]

Also frm google

[weak magnet]

i guess ill swap with the flame tank then?

Since flame tank doesnt help me much

For my purpose

[zealous lynx]

@daring geyser Yes?

[patent thistle]

welp, that is what you get in divisions when you get to annex most of europe for basically free.

[daring geyser]

this is my ideal large defensive division

[patent thistle]

almost 7 field marshals

[daring geyser]

yeah they're for stacking modifiers when attacking

they're the goat but i would say not that much for defense

[zealous lynx]

What if im playing manchuko

[weak magnet]

good point

i dont mind this type of discussion

[daring geyser]

1)dont
2)do 16w inf support aa

[zealous lynx]

What is 16w inf support aa

[daring geyser]

this is p good

will shred the ai

[daring geyser]

for defense

8 inf brigades one support anti air company

[heavy vigil]

tac actually giving advice in gen chat

id just use some guys

[zealous lynx]

What about guns

Actually nvm

Im just gonna do guns

And thats it just guns

[weak magnet]

As china artillery is the best

[zealous lynx]

No artillery

No support

Sadly no horses

And no tanks

No guys

Just guns

[weak magnet]

What are u on?

Like

[daring geyser]

mate i usually just bring my good ol pals george and company to my divs

[weak magnet]

Regular?

[daring geyser]

it can work just that adding one support aa company makes your division infinitely better

[weak magnet]

How can i see how many planes my support AA is downing?

[zealous lynx]

What is a soup port company

[weak magnet]

😢

[zealous lynx]

Oh yeah and planes

[weak magnet]

soup port

[daring geyser]

click on the battle, on the top there will be plane counts for both sides, and a number below it "planes shot down"

[weak magnet]

noted

ahh okay

[daring geyser]

but a single support AA can reduce cas damage by up to 70% in some cases

[heavy vigil]

im gonna go scroll reddit looking at cats

[zealous lynx]

I just put air superiority and air support on my planes

[heavy vigil]

tac, make sure no one does racism or terrorism

[zealous lynx]

And hope for the best

[daring geyser]

What is rag ebait? Youve been up to it

[coarse chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486852897433190481/1487364853558546522/caption.gif

[daring geyser]

YES SIR!!!! 🫡

[zealous lynx]

I'm kidding but i actually dont know what support company is

[daring geyser]

I'M MARCHING AROUND THE HOUSE MONITORING THE DISCORD, SIR!!!

[daring geyser]

#ask-for-help-here go over there you seem to be really new

[heavy vigil]

youd make such a good discord mod, kitten /j

[zealous lynx]

I watched 1 30 min tutorial and 1 4 minute one

[heavy vigil]

im sorry 😭

[zealous lynx]

That seems to be good

[zealous lynx]

Bro i joined to learn what a support company was

What is this

[coarse chasm]

why is the russian civil war so hard 😭

[patent thistle]

.

[heavy vigil]

tac is my friend :)

[heavy vigil]

its a thingy in the small slots

[zealous lynx]

A little birdie told me that you're supposed to declare on Germany, Poland and Everybody else who's strong

[coarse chasm]

does anyone have any tips for the whites

[zealous lynx]

Although i never tried it

[crude loom]

Just cheese it

[coarse chasm]

i can't cheese for my lifeee 😭

[zealous lynx]

CS ❤️‍🩹 i'm home

[knotty vortex]

how do you play as the nationalists during the civil war

[coarse chasm]

why would paradox force me to cheese ion wanna cheese

[zealous lynx]

Then cream cheese it and declare the USA

[crude loom]

Idk if it still works but i think before the war starts you can convert all your divs to arty and then give all your equipment to a country then cancel it once the war starts

[crude loom]

They must reap another soul

[zealous lynx]

HOI4 already cheese's you enuff

[ripe slate]

@coarse chasmNo memes with or about modern politics/politicians please

[heavy vigil]

omg its marijn 2

[coarse chasm]

fine

[ripe slate]

Booo you didnt respond to my last 2 pings

[coarse chasm]

does lenin count as a modern polititian

[heavy vigil]

ill check

[ripe slate]

He's pre-war

[coarse chasm]

and like

klaus

[daring geyser]

bruhhhh im.wasting so much time on discord

i wsnt to do something fun for the weekend gotta go make my hoi4 mod

[heavy vigil]

ok idk

[heavy vigil]

you should go kiss girls and be gay

[knotty vortex]

anybody got interwar SPAA for spain 1936?

i need a medium tank build

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil youve got a field day with this one

[knotty vortex]

oh no

am i going to get harrassed

i thought it would be a good idea cause they have no air force

pls dont hurt me

[heavy vigil]

i dont have one

[knotty vortex]

oh so it wasnt an outrageous idea

[heavy vigil]

no it is, i usually have stuff saved for any half reasonable build XD

i guess you could do light SPAA? but its kinda bad and doesnt work

because you need to buy tanks from market to have enough for any light tank build

and ai doesnt sell

they used to in sheeps mod

[knotty vortex]

bruh

i think i should just quit hoi4

[heavy vigil]

its fine

spain is hard

lot of micro

[knotty vortex]

idk who to play tbh

i cant win as any minors really

and germany is a bit boring to play now

[heavy vigil]

your idea as spain is good tho

its just you cant get enough tanks out

[knotty vortex]

it appears i wouldnt be able to get an airforce out either

whats the goal as spain

[heavy vigil]

no

[knotty vortex]

republican

[heavy vigil]

win

franco is better because you get better generals

[knotty vortex]

i guess i could do that

[coarse chasm]

i hate hate hate the uk and their strong navy bomb the uk nuke the uk gahhh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338988552473808976/1467691044043886713/ezgif.com-resize.gif

[knotty vortex]

whats the best path for nationlist spain

[heavy vigil]

well like

first you need to win war

best unit in war is your cav because its large

[knotty vortex]

lets focus on that first lol good point

[heavy vigil]

everything else sucks at pushing

[knotty vortex]

ive never really used cav

[heavy vigil]

like youre bad at the game just like many others because your head isnt in the time where it needs to be

[knotty vortex]

okay thats true

[heavy vigil]

idk if that makes sense

[knotty vortex]

whats the benefit of cav

[heavy vigil]

but like

[knotty vortex]

maybe i should use them more

[heavy vigil]

current moment > future > past

[knotty vortex]

i need to focus on the current situation

[heavy vigil]

your div starts large

[weak magnet]

no

[knotty vortex]

24 width

[heavy vigil]

more hp less casualties, gets critted less and crits more

yeah its large

[knotty vortex]

okay so

should i start producing them asap?

or when the civ war starts

[heavy vigil]

you cant

[knotty vortex]

idk how the army gets split or whatever

oh yeah

[heavy vigil]

you should probably have a reasonable amount of them

maybe 5

also exercise the army from day 1

all of them

it will give some xp

[knotty vortex]

1

[heavy vigil]

like about 20

[daring geyser]

no the joke was that casey is bad and builds spaa ✅

[pastel urchin]

yo guys

any tips forming the byzantine?

[tired smelt]

rush expensive tanks and boom

[heavy vigil]

why r u so mean 2 me

[pastel urchin]

its kinda hard as greece

[tired smelt]

u can get 5 full equipped expensive tanks by 1940

which is good for greece

[pastel urchin]

nice

[daring geyser]

im jk!

@heavy vigil yesterday i spent like 2hrs trying to fix an error on my hoi4 mod which i just noticed how to solve in 10m after i booted up vscode today

screw my stupid coder life

[weak magnet]

i just had somewhere here get 3800 defense

somehow

[heavy vigil]

woah woah big words

[silver prawn]

ladies ladies one at a time

[knotty vortex]

i think im pretty bad

[heavy vigil]

gotta take the north

for the carlist stuff

[knotty vortex]

im trying my hardest

[heavy vigil]

click decisions

they get rid of state modifier

[knotty vortex]

genuinely what are these stats

[heavy vigil]

consolidate the north focus too

[knotty vortex]

?

[heavy vigil]

dont attack with the small units

i told you

[daring geyser]

rare moment of the allied ai putting troops in france spotted on camera

[heavy vigil]

yeah the on map ones

[knotty vortex]

i dont have anything else though

[heavy vigil]

you make large cav

or turn your african units into them

just dont use the small units to attack

they wont do anythinf

just let them sit there instead of wasting guns and manpower

[knotty vortex]

i have no equipment bro

[hollow silo]

average spain gameplay

[heavy vigil]

because youre wasting it on the small units

[knotty vortex]

im just gonna restart

i genuinely give up with these stupid game bro

actually makes me so mad

[zealous lynx]

Whats better

Streamlined or flexible

@daring geyser Help me

[knotty vortex]

what is even the best thing here

[patent thistle]

who needs micro if you have 8 million men am i right?

also dont ask i already formed the EU idk why i am back to being germany

[silver prawn]

invade the swiss

[knotty vortex]

no swiss are chill

[silver prawn]

no swiss dont give me gold

[knotty vortex]

skill issue

[silver prawn]

i know

i dont know how i did it but i beat up the allies as germany like two years ago now i can barely beat france

[pastel urchin]

did u sell your resolution for your army?

[pastel urchin]

how many hours u have

[prisma steppe]

i dont think thats a /j

[patent thistle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Whiskyde-whiskyde-ben-luening-lning-WOG55SUsVWWfPg1Ebb

very funny

[pastel urchin]

no i really mean it

[pastel urchin]

why is your resolution so low

[pastel urchin]

and u cannot get past france

[prisma steppe]

why is your name such a mid'get

[silver prawn]

what

[silver prawn]

I used to play this game 2 years ago nonstop i just got back into it

cause i got the dlc again

[pastel urchin]

why is your resolution so low

[pastel urchin]

its so easy

what are u doing

[weak magnet]

what a cool peace deal i should do?

im france

[silver prawn]

stuff

[heavy vigil]

no he'd suffer

[patent thistle]

because i dont have it set high so my laptop doesnt become a nuclear bomb

[heavy vigil]

i wouldnt do that to tac

[weak magnet]

maybe moselland and baden?

[daring geyser]

streamlined is just better

[pastel urchin]

ahh understandable

[fallen hearth]

what is best

[weak magnet]

local collaborator overall

[zinc atlas]

Do I need all dlcs to play multiplayer?

[heavy vigil]

its best to never do RKs

[knotty vortex]

what here do i make cav

ive got 6 cav from african army

[fallen hearth]

oh

[zealous lynx]

Deeply thankful for this delighting information

[weak magnet]

i dont agree unless u have a reason

[heavy vigil]

you have a cav

[fallen hearth]

for more factories?

[heavy vigil]

you can prob delete the mountaineers

[silver prawn]

what ships do I build to clear up trade routes

[heavy vigil]

they dont get cores

[knotty vortex]

so i just use a single cav??

[heavy vigil]

they just handle occupation worse than you

[weak magnet]

that is true

[heavy vigil]

and you end up with a lot less

[weak magnet]

but you do not need to deal with the occupation there

well

you know youre right

[heavy vigil]

change the african corps you get to cav

as much as you have guns for

[weak magnet]

if you decide to handle it yourself well you can get more out of it

[heavy vigil]

and give it support arty instead of recon

[knotty vortex]

yeah i have

[heavy vigil]

dont make support equipment

it doesnt help

[knotty vortex]

okay i did that too

[errant remnant]

Hey im new the the tank maker DLC thingy can some1 show me a good tank template thingy

[heavy vigil]

awesome

[pastel urchin]

rk?

[heavy vigil]

pawesome

[heavy vigil]

reichskommisarisat

[knotty vortex]

i managed to sort of suppress the north via the garrisons thing

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil i had an accident with my monitor and now half of it is black and white

i play hoi4 on the immersive mode

[silver prawn]

😂

[opal nymph]

It appears you are playing the nationalists though

[heavy vigil]

ohh, well known bug

[knotty vortex]

i am

[opal nymph]

So you just wasted all of your points

[knotty vortex]

why

not really

cause i can get the north focus easier

consolidate the north

[opal nymph]

Secure the Northern Garrisons gives you all of those for free

[knotty vortex]

no it doesnt

not the carlist states

[opal nymph]

Wdym it doesnt

Oh I see

[knotty vortex]

doesnt give you this

[opal nymph]

You wanted Bilbao and such

[knotty vortex]

gives you the rest

[opal nymph]

I didn't realize you took that one

[knotty vortex]

yeah thats the only one

i tried for bilbao

but didnt get it

i didnt try for the rest lol

[opal nymph]

I honestly don't see why since you can get those before frontlines stabilize

And do consolidate the north

[knotty vortex]

what should i do with my cav units from the african army

[patent thistle]

i am actually using the russian pholosophy against the russians, "who needs supply if you have enough men?"

[opal nymph]

Well, use them as infantry

They will move as fast of them lol

[patent thistle]

ignore the few red bubbles they turned green after all divisions got there

[static creek]

just need to turn on germany now

While they are now distracted with the sssr

[fallen hearth]

man

[knotty vortex]

I GENUINELY QUIT BRO

holy shit

[silver prawn]

😂

[knotty vortex]

i genuinely hate the spanish

[silver prawn]

thats not nice

[knotty vortex]

i just cannot anymore bro

it makes me so angry

what am i even supposed to do

[fallen hearth]

yeah they joined the allies so im at war

[silver prawn]

build nukes

[opal nymph]

Wait for frontlines to stabilize?

Well you chose to take 1 state instead of like 4 more

That is less troops you spawn with

[knotty vortex]

what does this even mean

[opal nymph]

After 1 week, everyone gets -90% attack

So the frontlines stabilze

[knotty vortex]

bro what the hell is this man

[opal nymph]

The you have to do decisions to remove the modifier from the state

[knotty vortex]

they just pushing me back

[opal nymph]

You should probably assign some of your divisions

You got many red exclamation marks

[knotty vortex]

bro they literally have orders

[silver prawn]

is 9 infantry with 1 artillery a good template

[knotty vortex]

i give up with this game bro

[opal nymph]

Select and control click the frontline

[tall spruce]

anyone wants to join a semi casual historical game

[opal nymph]

Wait

Dont

[weak magnet]

How can I declare on the USSR as france after ww2?

[opal nymph]

Because you never made a field marshal frontline

[silver prawn]

justification?

[knotty vortex]

so why didnt they join when i made the frontline

holy shit man this game

[opal nymph]

You made a frontline with 1 army

[silver prawn]

or console commands

[opal nymph]

Not with the field marshal

Therefore, at least 1 of your armies have no orders

[knotty vortex]

well yeah i made the frontlines when i split the armies

[weak magnet]

no bc USA has non-aggression pact

[fallen hearth]

are we deadass.....

[weak magnet]

or the uk i think

[fallen hearth]

this is the moment where i tag USA and delete them from existance

[opal nymph]

If you want to armies, you can still set a field marshal frontline and it will assign all unassigned divisions to it

[silver prawn]

go to war with the usa or uk

kill everyone

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-chat-korean-war-macarthur-the-battle-at-lake-changjin-gif-16436274735539533878

[weak magnet]

na this is impossible

i am on elite this shit scares me

@daring geyser

[silver prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-he-who-is-this-who-is-that-who-is-this-guy-who-is-he-peppa-pig-gif-11375013126139160285

[daring geyser]

wha

[weak magnet]

i trained up 600k attack infantry and absolutely demolished the germans

want to see the template

[daring geyser]

yeah

[silver prawn]

attack infantry or tanks

[weak magnet]

infantry

i avoid tanks at all cost because i have no idea what im doing

[ivory hull]

bro what tf is this

[daring geyser]

oh my days

[weak magnet]

BRO HOW IS IT YOU AGAIN

[safe wing]

It’s the hoi4 guy

[silver prawn]

guy from hoi4

[safe wing]

Yes Douglas MacArthur

[weak magnet]

I think the name Evil makes it have ah igher soft attack

[ivory hull]

take out that goddamn line artillery and the recon

[silver prawn]

yo petition to add douglas macarthur to fortnite

[daring geyser]

don't make fun of the template he came up with it himself

[ivory hull]

and goddamn use tanks or special forces

[weak magnet]

actually true for the recon

i dont know why i do that

but the line artillery stays

[daring geyser]

wanna hear why it's bad?

[weak magnet]

whenever i do ask this, i get told everything

[ivory hull]

line arty is horrible bro

[opal nymph]

Someone is set on using mediocre battalions

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil nuke this user

[silver prawn]

yes

[opal nymph]

Line arty not great because not many stats for width taken

[uncut pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/paul-harrell-shotgun-woohoo-gif-13697741118504322003

[weak magnet]

agreed

[opal nymph]

That is the tl:dr

[weak magnet]

i understand this

[daring geyser]

it's not just that

[weak magnet]

Note

[ivory hull]

so stop using it bro

[silver prawn]

what would be the ideal attack inf??

[opal nymph]

I use inf mostly as line fillers anyways

[weak magnet]

bro

[ivory hull]

special forces

[safe wing]

21/0 infantry my beloved

[silver prawn]

I'm ed what does that mean

[ivory hull]

rangers, mountaineers, marines

[opal nymph]

Tanks or spec ops are what you want for breakthrough divisions

[silver prawn]

medium tanks or light

[heavy vigil]

im video gaming

[daring geyser]

it's because it lowers hp and org, hp == strength so you are losing actually tons of infantry equipment because of line arty

if we imagine a hypothetical scenario that without arty you have 100hp, then with arty you have 50hp, that equates to double the strength loss

and it doesn't have almost any breaktrough and gives too little soft attack to be worth it

[fallen hearth]

ohh my god

[ivory hull]

medium spgs

[daring geyser]

so 36w block of infantry or sfs with cas >>>>> line arty

[weak magnet]

this makes sense

ok i see why

what about the motorized versions

ignore expense, dont worry about that

[daring geyser]

they suffer from the same issues except they're faster and consume more supply

motorized is actually awful

same stats as cavalry with the exception of being faster, more expensive and consuming more supply

[weak magnet]

ah i see that makes sense for org

[silver prawn]

for germany at the start of ww2 what would be the ideal SPG design and unit template

[heavy vigil]

i dont believe in org

its not an important stat

[opal nymph]

Is it because of that one exploit you can do for infinite defensive battles

[heavy vigil]

even not doing any exploits/last stands or whatever its not that valuable

[knotty vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-out-rage-parks-and-rec-nick-offerman-ron-swanson-gif-17688925

i thought these guys were happy

[heavy vigil]

if youre longer in battle your strenght gets drained increasingly faster

[heavy vigil]

gotta do the focus to unite the fronts

[opal nymph]

Rushes to consolidate the north

Doesn't do any of the other focuses to deal with it

[ivory hull]

this is the optimal design

[silver prawn]

Thank you king ❤️

[opal nymph]

You need to do the focuses

[daring geyser]

this is for multiplayer, in sp youll have green air so you can swap the line aa for mechanized or more spgs

[ivory hull]

just dont forget to take the spg doctrine

[knotty vortex]

i thought i did

[ivory hull]

in mp youd prefer hard attack

[silver prawn]

funny story I actually suck butt at air

[opal nymph]

Well

[opal nymph]

Do you see that focus called fuse the parties?

[silver prawn]

I cant get green skies for the life of me

[opal nymph]

Read what that says

Also everything under condor branch is useless imo

Maybe in MP it is good

[ivory hull]

look at the pinned messages in #ask-for-help-here

[heavy vigil]

its great but you dont have time

[daring geyser]

this + strategic destruction + knights of the air youll never lose against the ai on air again if you fighter 2 and engine 3 rush

and hmg + survivability studies

[ivory hull]

isnt airspace dominance better?

[daring geyser]

idk i dont play since 1.16.9

[ivory hull]

and battlefield support is also better right?

[daring geyser]

i dont know anything about the new doctrines

[daring geyser]

not for fighters

[ivory hull]

but cas is king

[opal nymph]

I lost against KR ai using this.

They also had basically the same design, better mios, and 10x more planes.

They also had the entire world's rubber supply

[daring geyser]

yeah but this is how to get the best fighter

[daring geyser]

yeah cuz they had more

air is an ic battle

[ivory hull]

that isnt the best fighter

[opal nymph]

Sure is

I crashed out that game

[knotty vortex]

i think weve dealt with it okay

[silver prawn]

What ships do you use to make sure ur convoys dont get raided

[daring geyser]

it IS the best fighter for mid game

the most ic efficient one

considering average mios

[opal nymph]

Destroyers with depth charges and some spotting cruisers

[daring geyser]

if you're germany you can do double armor plates

or if you're the USA heavy fighters are better

[opal nymph]

Maybe an escort carrier or 2 if you really want to invest

[ivory hull]

if you have the range designer

italy can also do that

[daring geyser]

yes that's why i said if you're germany

[ivory hull]

but without that your design is the best

[weak magnet]

holy mother of pearl

Wtcfd

[opal nymph]

The power of Lockheed in KR giving you like -35% weight or something like that

No range buffs, but more stuff to put on your planes

[daring geyser]

then you didnt need to say it isnt because i posted a general template that applies to the mid game of most nations

[ivory hull]

but it isnt THE best

[strong belfry]

hello guys can i form eu as belgium? or netherland?

[daring geyser]

obviously

[silver prawn]

whats the diff between kasierreich and kaiserredux

[daring geyser]

well that's crazy

[ivory hull]

kaiserredux has more content, is more laggy and better

[opal nymph]

Kaiserreich is grounded
Kaiserredux is memey

[opal nymph]

On top of other stats boosts

KR mios are busted

Russia MIOs are busted

German MIOs i think are good as well

Everyone else has basic stuff

[daring geyser]

tbf they're busted on the vanilla game too

gotta hate how paradox is german biased and makes germany just have the best tanks and planes and industrial potential

[weak magnet]

after ww2 i dont think the allies will actually declare war on the USSR by default right?

[opal nymph]

Yes, because the USSR will declare war on the French

[daring geyser]

not by default but it's a high likelyhood

[ivory hull]

russia in kx is just busted in any aspect

[knotty vortex]

okay i won the civil war

1939 feels a bit late

[weak magnet]

i see

[knotty vortex]

but

[weak magnet]

I am france

so its 1945, ww2 finished eraly, around 1946 this happens right?

[opal nymph]

You can easily deal with them

[weak magnet]

If i dont become communist i mean

yeayea ofc just want to have fun now

[opal nymph]

Honestly, no idea

I swear it is random when they declare

[weak magnet]

yeah i think so

problem is world threat goes down so i cant even do it

[opal nymph]

I then proceeded to roll them over with armored car divisions

[weak magnet]

but im pretty sure its guaranteed right if france doesnt become communist?

[weak magnet]

yeah im gonna try get this

[opal nymph]

20 km/h armored cars lol

[weak magnet]

i want to try make a good template for mech too

[opal nymph]

Pure mech is alright against ai

Especially when they also go 20 km/h

[daring geyser]

I've had games where sovs dec on allies through demanding Alaska lol

[weak magnet]

or that

this happens too

[daring geyser]

It's quite sad hoi4 doesn't allow us to have a cold war

[weak magnet]

yea it only seems to expect 1 big war

the way the focuses and all work

[heavy vigil]

5 year cold war (max)

[daring geyser]

Funny is that the hoi series was supposed to go from ww2 all the way to present days

But it was scrapped

Hoi4 was based on an older paradox game that was never finished

[weak magnet]

waaat?

so the first hoi is ww1?

wait

my bad you literally said it and i asked it anyways

[heavy vigil]

no its ww2

[weak magnet]

😭

yea brainfart

[silver prawn]

how would cold war work?

[daring geyser]

vic2 encompasses ww1

i don't count vic3 cuz i don't like it

[heavy vigil]

:( youre evil

but vic3 doesnt follow historical timeline at all tbf

[knotty vortex]

why did my preparing offensive fail???

[hollow bridge]

I think UK loves border gore, I hope mussolini can hold till I start the war in 1939

[knotty vortex]

bro how is fuse the parys possible

okay ive just seen the focuses push the time back

[hollow bridge]

also I think historical mode is a bit broken in current patch because for some reason every country is doing whatever they want

[ivory hull]

for me it worked fine

[hollow bridge]

well I guess Its bad luck then

for me

but Im assuming it happened because civil war in spain is taking longer than it should because I thought it would be nice to farm some more army xp, either that or because I have too much intel on UK with taking von neurath which still doesnt make sense but thats the only non historical shit that I did

[ivory hull]

if you go non-historical they ai will do the same

[jolly pier]

Am I screwed?
(btw I just won the spanish civil war for the republicans)

[hollow bridge]

what happened to benito

first time seeing "the grand council of fascism"

it sounds like they are the facist overlords

[heavy vigil]

you can google what happened to him

[hollow bridge]

yeah but I think civilians are doing it too early, in 1938

and no civil war in italy

[ivory hull]

is gonna happen soon

usually happens right after

[heavy vigil]

hii steve hru

[ivory hull]

im good hbu

[heavy vigil]

listening music

[knotty vortex]

question is what music

[hollow bridge]

Its been like that for about 3 months now, is there a way to check what settings the save has? I want to be sure if I am really playing historical

[heavy vigil]

id share it but i dont think i can idk

[ivory hull]

just check some major focs trees and see if theyre historical

[heavy vigil]

on this server*

[ivory hull]

but there is a way

[knotty vortex]

gosh darn it

[heavy vigil]

whats up

[knotty vortex]

i lost to the republicans 🥹

i fear spain isn’t for me

[heavy vigil]

thats okay

i told you its hard

[knotty vortex]

idk what else to play

[heavy vigil]

mexico

[knotty vortex]

like other nations

what path

[heavy vigil]

idk mexico

[knotty vortex]

oh

[ivory hull]

kx spain

[heavy vigil]

go eat up central america

like

[knotty vortex]

i just need something easy

[heavy vigil]

i know mexico but paths are kinda similar

[knotty vortex]

i did this as brazil

infact i just basically ate up the whole of south american and central america’s

[heavy vigil]

yeah but you could be mexico instead which is much weaker

[heavy vigil]

and gets less cores

[knotty vortex]

i guess so

[heavy vigil]

but IDK its just whatever you find fun

i like challenging stuff

[quasi osprey]

Is 120 factories for 1941 enough for poland

[knotty vortex]

me too but then i realise

i’m bad

[heavy vigil]

im bad at vic3 and i spent like 200-300h playing hawaii and now i understand the game better because i forced myself to interact with the mechanics on a deeper level than most new players to a game

[knotty vortex]

never played any paradox games apart from hoi4 and stellaris

[heavy vigil]

because they have this JE (mission essentially) thats kind of hard to get

[quasi osprey]

i would have more but for a whole year I just built forts and AA

[still ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714549345319649413/1490003507502252215/image.png?ex=69d27967&is=69d127e7&hm=1c0cf5b34600c3a5e3e534f5272e251255b2789c266d2a52396e7b7be57b57c9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless why?

and how

[rough folio]

SOcratessss

[fathom shard]

because he looks better

[rough folio]

SOCRATES

[jolly pier]

God help me

[jagged acorn]

Fellow gamers. I come seeking tips.

[fathom shard]

i'm here what do you want

[rough folio]

If your navy is your power, what are you without it??

[jagged acorn]

I have a mountain encirclement.

[fathom shard]

the same person as i ignore the navy

[jagged acorn]

Would anyone recommend I have any specific unit chip away at this other than infantry.

[rough folio]

If your artillery is your power, what are you without it?

[fathom shard]

the same person as i don't use line artillery

[sudden thistle]

Us ur political power

Lmao

[sudden thistle]

U prob don’t need to kill it

[rough folio]

Well. What is socrates without the annoying questions?

[jagged acorn]

I know, but it would be nice to free up the divs.

[sudden thistle]

But if u do wanna kill it

Make a fallback line going more south

Wait for them to move south

Then push mountain since it’s weaker

[fathom shard]

that is NOT me

[sudden thistle]

And they will be stuck in hills/plains then

[rough folio]

Oh yes it is

[jagged acorn]

Ignore the skeleton brain rotted rage baiter.

[jagged acorn]

Thank you brorther for your impeccable services.

[rough folio]

Im not tryna rage bait

Sorry...

[little yarrow]

Is seelow heights mod beginner friendly?

[heavy vigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356972726807564492/1408066610144481362/attachment.gif

[little yarrow]

Playing as Germany btw

[jagged acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[patent thistle]

i just now have noticed that i still havent fixed my economy. rip-

[jagged acorn]

...I would say no. No it is not.

But if you want a trial by fire?

[heavy vigil]

its designed so germany loses, so id say allies are beginner friendly

[sudden thistle]

Um

Try it?…

[little yarrow]

Even the January map?

[jagged acorn]

Hey. If anything they'll gain valuable experience.

[sudden thistle]

Where they hold Germany proper?

Ur gonna die

[jagged acorn]

Like doing Byzantium EuIV.

[patent thistle]

i would not want to be switzerland in this world

[sudden thistle]

No matter which scenario

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-sylvie-sylvie-paula-paula-king-of-fighters-bible-verse-gif-16755781332363073754

[heavy vigil]

i mean play it if you want

[little yarrow]

Damn I saw bittersteel play it and I thought it would be easy

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[heavy vigil]

omg its tacwedie

[jagged acorn]

...there may be small gap in hours between you and bitter steel if u r a beginner.

Just a small one.

[rough folio]

I tried it in my first 50 hours of hoi4 a few years back. I got nightmares. If I played it now, after so many hours, i could probably handle it. BUT it is still meant to be challenging.

[knotty vortex]

holy shit i genuinely just give up with every country

[rough folio]

I actually tried it thx to bittersteel

[knotty vortex]

everybody just wants to start a civil war in mexico

holy shit

[heavy vigil]

yes

its great

[knotty vortex]

no its not

[heavy vigil]

if you click the wrong buttons you get 2 civil wars

[knotty vortex]

i stop one uprising

oh whats that?

[heavy vigil]

you can prevent both

[knotty vortex]

the communists arent happy

[heavy vigil]

just have to read

[knotty vortex]

jesus bro

[heavy vigil]

no mexico is actually designed evil

its very hard to read everything

but you learn to read from rage fr

[knotty vortex]

whats the easiest country in the game

i genuinely just want to stamp on everybody now

[heavy vigil]

germany ?

unless you mean doing nothing then switzerland

but they can get declared on so maybe not

[little yarrow]

Wouldn't ussr be logically easier

[knotty vortex]

i just realised

[heavy vigil]

no

[knotty vortex]

i have free will

[patent thistle]

no

hell, no

[heavy vigil]

you do have that

[knotty vortex]

and just dont need to play the game

[opal nymph]

Germany is much easier than Soviets imo

[opal nymph]

Huge

[heavy vigil]

yes this is an option

[opal nymph]

He escaped the cycle

[heavy vigil]

little known fact

[patent thistle]

personally if you really want to do nothing do canada

[knotty vortex]

soviets suck cause stalin has paranoia over everything

[opal nymph]

Usually i can deal with purge fine

[sudden thistle]

He got out of the matrix

Silence him

[opal nymph]

I only had 1 purge event that pissed me off

[patent thistle]

still annoying

[knotty vortex]

theyre just annoying

[little yarrow]

Can you limit the purges?

[heavy vigil]

you rush down the foci for it

[knotty vortex]

i blame karl marx for ruining my mexico save

[patent thistle]

rush the focustree thats pretty much all you can do

[knotty vortex]

its his fault

[heavy vigil]

rage-playing mexico fr

some nations are designed to be ragebait im confident

[knotty vortex]

every nation i play

[heavy vigil]

nah

[knotty vortex]

im coping with my skill issue rn

[patent thistle]

switzerland

[knotty vortex]

let me be

[sudden thistle]

So true

[heavy vigil]

you click wrong focuses and major powers dec on you

lol

[jagged acorn]

...The Mitsibushi Tank-Chan Corp is sorry to tell you your free trial of life is over.

If you have a complaint with our services. Please file a formal complaint at the customer service desk on the right once you pass St Peter at the pearly gates.

[patent thistle]

ethiopia

[heavy vigil]

where tanks

[sudden thistle]

I ate them

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hamsti-hamster-tiktok-sad-sad-hamster-gif-11610995117205783443

[patent thistle]

turkey

[rigid pollen]

chat what templates should i use as turkey trying to reform otto

[jagged acorn]

Tanks are taking a break over here - they have been hard at work maximising returns... like encircling Chinese armies.

[supple halo]

Good templates that’ll win.

Obviously 🙄

[heavy vigil]

mountaineer

[jagged acorn]

...Just stick with the classic 18w Infantry for divs to hold the line. With support companies of recon, arty and engineer if you'e feeling fancy.

[rigid pollen]

for offense im assuming
how many battalions

[jagged acorn]

You'll be fighting in the Balkans.

Take the actual mountain corp path.

Not the rangers.

Utilise a 25 w.

So.... 3 arty and 8 Mountaineers.

With all the furnishings of the support companies.

Like the mountain rangers.

[heavy vigil]

16 until you get all doctrines for it

and then reduce width by 0.2

so you can fit like 4? more in 32.4w

[ivory hull]

why would you ever use line arty?

[rigid pollen]

which doctrine

[ivory hull]

36w is just better

[jagged acorn]

Meh. Still being nostlagic about trenches I suppose if I ever need cheap shock troops when I don't do armour.

[heavy vigil]

special forces

[ivory hull]

bro line artillery is literally horrible in hoi

[rigid pollen]

i just see land air and navy

[jagged acorn]

I'm aware. Old instincts held for a moment.

Anyway. I more know what I'm doing with armour if anything.