hoi4-general

[atomic wolf]

i know but i usually don't ask them

it's quite crazy hearing them rant for ten minutes about how you shouldn't use a certain unit

[late valley]

thats the best part tho

[terse skiff]

we usually just tell you to watch the video/post in pins

[daring geyser]

pubs my beloved

a lot of mp hosts do the P word, they get the dlcs from the caribbean unfortunately

my friend ollie does own all dlcs legitimately tho

[late valley]

oh

[atomic wolf]

i switched the line artillery for motorised

[late valley]

can u send a pic of how it looks and the stats now

[atomic wolf]

Kk

[daring geyser]

im a (retired) meta nerd i only know the meta for the previous dlc and i dont dwell on that channel

im uh a hoi4 grandpa

[late valley]

can i ask a question

[daring geyser]

what

[late valley]

how did u get mods when u were playing using "unofficial means"

[clever shuttle]

i solved it, you can change the justify war goal rule in your faction thingy

[dusky burrow]

control shift s

[winged field]

I would rate it but I have no idea what all the symnbols are..

[dusky burrow]

it's 44 width

so no

[winged field]

thats probably 4 artillery

or something like that idk

[dusky burrow]

yeah, 4 motorized artillery i believe

[late valley]

Only thing i see diff is cost production

went up

[winged field]

why does even someone use the nato symbols

[late valley]

idk but thats motorised inf

[winged field]

even worse

[late valley]

Ik bro

[dusky burrow]

production cost is what is turned into equipment

so you need to use it efficiently

[daring geyser]

cant discuss that here its illegal

[late valley]

Alr

[daring geyser]

i dont do that anymore

[winged field]

I just realized he doesnt have any manpower as ussr, wth

[late valley]

tf

[haughty peak]

anyone trying to play?

[cinder compass]

he is communist lithuania belarus i think

look at his capital

[trail glacier]

is it normal i dont have a map folder in the game folder??

[winged field]

oh, almost the same flag

[trail glacier]

im trying to play a mod but i can't cuz "map definition error.log"

[winged field]

most different soviet flag

[ripe slate]

Im guessing youre trying to play a mod that's outdated for the current game version

[trail glacier]

nope

[daring geyser]

then the mod crestor has to fix it

if you really want to play the mod you can read the game's crash logs and go fix it yourself though

[trail glacier]

I'm trying to play this mod for 4 days but i cant.

Tried to contact red flood mods, They said unsus. and suscribe the mod but no solution

They said to uninstall and install the game but no solution.

from what i'm seeing in hoi4 folder there isn't a map folder

which is very suspicious

[trail glacier]

where i can find the crash log?

[daring geyser]

documents>paradox>hoi4

think they should be in a folder called crashes

beware there are different crash logs

check the relevant ones

you can see the exceptions and debug the mod, seeing which section of the file structure causes the error and repair it yourself

i had to do that for days to fix my mod when ncns came around tho

[trail glacier]

since i don't know nothing of coding could i send it here?

[terse skiff]

maybe in #tech-support

[daring geyser]

#modding

or tech support

im a modder but i dont have the time to fix it sadly

[terse skiff]

what if hoi4 had a nexus page

[ripe slate]

It does

[terse skiff]

wait really?

[ripe slate]

Yeh

No reason to use it though

[trail glacier]

#modding message

[terse skiff]

don't tell me it's all big b**bies stalin mods

[ripe slate]

Only advantage Nexus has it that it actually rewards downloads for modders

[modest coyote]

a good strat when playing america is building level 5 walls on the mexican border

[prisma saddle]

what i should i do😭

[trail glacier]

give

[prisma saddle]

bel nome btw

[trail glacier]

grazie

[prisma saddle]

prego

[trail glacier]

volevo mettere prof di sesso

[prisma saddle]

wow

maestuoso

[trail glacier]

o sborrinaitor 2.0

[prisma saddle]

spacca

[trail glacier]

🇮🇱 ❤️

[dusky stump]

90283887725418497

[trail glacier]

sigma

[dusky stump]

90283887728273409

[latent estuary]

should i do a italy unification but i start out as italy with one state

aka rome

[modest coyote]

say no and fight them later

[shell scroll]

how do i get more fuel i already traded one of my civs for coal

[snow rain]

import oil

[late valley]

import

and build some refineries

[snow rain]

don't build refi for fuel

they barely give any

you build refi for rubber, you import the oil

[shell scroll]

ok good its fixed

lowkey almost sold the thiopian war 😭

[thick vector]

I'm really confused as to why Italy always takes part of French territory in Europe which should all belong to Germany even though I've activated historical mode

[woeful knoll]

Paradox cannot code hoi4 ai

[south mountain]

Why people don't understand navy?

Navy seems to not be the HARDESt mechanic in the game.

[mossy abyss]

90283888518786077

[lethal willow]

The actual bloody hell

[lethal willow]

^ look at what the bloody brtis js did to my navy

[steep slate]

Beta or main branch?

[lethal willow]

Wat

All dlcs but new china/Japan and the south american 1

[steep slate]

I asked whether you are playing on the beta branch or just the live version, but judging by your surprise I take it you are on the regular branch

TL:DR - submarines are a bit too easy to be detected right now, therefore you will see increased death ratio of submarines.

[lethal willow]

🤷 beta branch?

[winged glacier]

So before this version subs were acting normal

[lethal willow]

Yea

[winged glacier]

But now they fixed it by making them almost always grt spotted

Killing them

Yeah ur not gonna do good with subs

Use paratroops

Or destroyer spam

[dusky burrow]

at this rate it would be simpler to annex mexico

and all of central america

[fathom shard]

is there any point in going alt hist japan

[lethal willow]

Achievements

[woeful knoll]

Fun

All japan paths are the same in the end

[lethal willow]

Yea ima js retire 😭 I rlly wanted to make a gigantic navy of subs

[woeful knoll]

Its just do you want to be a cu c k, a bhuddist monk, or a samurai

[fathom shard]

bro you the same guy that died to china in 1938

[woeful knoll]

Yes

Your point

Ive beaten china many times and played all japan paths

[sly venture]

they cant possibly break through this tile

[woeful knoll]

China just got buffed lately

[blissful solar]

shalom

[fathom shard]

no they didnt bro

[woeful knoll]

Shabbot shalom

[fathom shard]

i literally went on the beta branch

and tested it

it's the same output

may 1937

[woeful knoll]

Whats your strategy?

[fathom shard]

capitulation of china

the strategy feedbackgaming stole from his discxord

[woeful knoll]

discxord 😭

[fathom shard]

typo

[restive sable]

not too shabby

[slim idol]

https://tenor.com/view/el-macho-gru-despicable-me-gif-9139737

[blissful solar]

I'm mexican and I confirm

[maiden bolt]

i think the US should get inovlved

involved*

[vernal beacon]

how do i get into this screen

[vernal beacon]

can they do naval invasions?

[snow rain]

you need by blood alone DLC

[sly venture]

I can’t do this bro Byzantium is too hard

I am on my 6th save

[vernal beacon]

pretty sure i have every dlc

[fair horizon]

Me when any cas and i attack from 2 directions

[maiden bolt]

i guess germany is inavding poland mean while theres a zombie apocalypse going on

[sly venture]

the ai is not this smart

[fair horizon]

Actually funny thing is that it is by accident

It wont choose to attack that way but because of the way the ai battleplans it ends up happening

[upbeat tundra]

italian vichy france

i like it

[sly venture]

elephant dlc

[vernal beacon]

what about it

[sly venture]

nothing

[dire rapids]

Does the ai land significant amounts of armor and mechanized infantry in naval landings?

[vernal beacon]

is this Artillery 2?

i got it on my list as the next advancement but it makes no sense

[sly venture]

that is better artillery

[vernal beacon]

why would i have to research it 2 years ahead if i still have other things to progress on

[sly venture]

because you are supposed to research it in 1939

[vernal beacon]

this list might be wrong then

or its cause the war starts in 1939

[sly venture]

sometimes it’s better to research things early

to get ahead of other countries

[vernal beacon]

and i still have to change these stats but idk how i clicked on the same button but ended up in the other menu

[sly venture]

when did you buy the DLCs

[vernal beacon]

idk i bought the whole pack a while ago

im just gonna skip it hope its nothing important

[safe wing]

I bought the only 4 out at the time in 2019

Well my dad did as a Christmas present

He gave me the money to buy them

[uncut pollen]

no you dont

[woeful knoll]

How come the game is easier as a minor nation like bulgaria or phillipines

and really hard as a big nation like usa

[clear dagger]

this is literally just gore

[clever shuttle]

its finally time to take back my land, all the divs on the screen are 30w mechs btw

@daring geyser do u think i will win?

[daring geyser]

dude you are insane

[daring geyser]

with enough time yes

[clever shuttle]

i need the acheviment but yea this is kind of unemployed activity

[clever shuttle]

its like historical, when the qing dynasty declared on like all the world

[spiral sphinx]

looks normal

[heavy vigil]

new players think more unit must mean its better

[sharp vessel]

insane encirclement

[clever shuttle]

bro im pro player

its mechs

[spiral sphinx]

AI doing AI stuff

[clever shuttle]

plus like 2/3 of them are coast guards because i dont want to look at my coast

[heavy vigil]

okay

[clever shuttle]

i will just show you later when i win late game 1967 against the allies

[heavy vigil]

okay

[clever shuttle]

im on 20 k casualties they on 2 million

[heavy vigil]

umazing

[safe wing]

which one?

New School or Torpedo Primarcy?

[upbeat tundra]

oh u think thats bad?

[safe wing]

I went with New School

[fathom shard]

dude wtf LOL

[heavy vigil]

patrol

[upbeat tundra]

when you click "select all" on the flagmaker

[clever shuttle]

they still pushed through do in india idk how but i got them

[coarse hull]

needs a union jack

[fathom shard]

did u staart as manchuria

[fathom shard]

no one gaf about the br*ts

[daring geyser]

yeah i remember that

[clever shuttle]

yes

[clever shuttle]

yes here i meant

[daring geyser]

tho that is true... having more = better unless you cant produce enough to upkeep those troops

[coarse hull]

yeah but they sure love leaving their watermark on flags

[daring geyser]

or cant supply them

[fathom shard]

a flag is a watermark

[upbeat tundra]

are u gunna give the world a century of humiliation

[clever shuttle]

only the brits and francs who disagreed with my retaking of the colonies

but they have so many fanboys that support them

[heavy vigil]

im going to mob your masses

[clever shuttle]

world tension is still at zero somehow, dont they realise that its an world war

[patent thistle]

good UK. very good.

[daring geyser]

i will be forced to battle you deeply if you do that

[upbeat tundra]

"ignore my dog"

[maiden bolt]

Looks like europe can defend themselves without the US supporting them

[fathom shard]

zombie mods are pure slop

[upbeat tundra]

unlike the wadiya mod

[fathom shard]

thank you @upbeat tundra @maiden bolt @patent thistle @uncut pollen for reacting to my message with the unicode/emoji " ✅ "

i really appreciate it

[patent thistle]

i mean it is just the pure truth 🤷‍♂️ zombie mods are just boring as hell and always the same

[clever shuttle]

how do i get more spies from faction again i forgot

[fathom shard]

disabling ncns

[clever shuttle]

no

[upbeat tundra]

atleast they are better then anime image mods

[safe wing]

the best tank of WWII

[maiden bolt]

dam look how many guns america has 💔

[spiral sphinx]

u mean spymaster or waht

[clever shuttle]

ye but i dont get more spies from it

[spiral sphinx]

do you have anyone in your faction

[clever shuttle]

yes but only puppets

no one wants to join ):

[spiral sphinx]

puppets have no industry?

[clever shuttle]

idk bro

the have industry

[spiral sphinx]

the calculation is bit wierd

not sure but like 1/2 of a spy per 50+ factory nation

[clever shuttle]

yeah idk but its okay

day 1 fighting allies will sleep now do more maybe tomorrow

[vernal beacon]

am i cooked?

its supposed to be holding it like this

but i kinda messed up i think

idk why im helping china when japan is gonna be allied

i forgot how it went

[opal nymph]

You are just fighting for xp anyways

Japan will backstab you if you win quickly anyways

[vernal beacon]

i def got good xp even better than the guy from the video

[opal nymph]

A weaker Japan actually helps if you kill the Allies before 1941

[vernal beacon]

he is at the first advancement from each doctrine

[green magnet]

what do you guys do after taking Ethiopia before they complete "boarding the train"?

[opal nymph]

Oh wow, that is actually quite good

[opal nymph]

Micro the crap out of it

Also I send all the bombers to perform CAS

[vernal beacon]

idk how i managed to get a year ahead of the video but i did it

[opal nymph]

And then pin enemy troops when you make breakthroughs by attacking them

[vernal beacon]

oh well now its half a year

but my 6 troops from the spain civil war arent coming home

idk why

they werent destroyed or anything

at the very end there were 5 divisions left

[misty fossil]

Ur there to farm general traits not win the war, so no just find another place with the same terrain

[vernal beacon]

should i retreat by now all of my infantry divisions got slapped

i might gain some more xp with those airwings tho

[tulip spear]

again, Spain is probably a good place to do it (farming traits?)

[misty fossil]

You can also do it in china

[vernal beacon]

superiority is looking good too

[clever shuttle]

yo bro watch machivellain strategist guides, its so good they literally show everything. and then its easy and when its easy its more fun and less hard

[misty fossil]

Scw doesnt last forever

[vernal beacon]

ill check it out

[misty fossil]

grinding in chinese war is optional but scw is always a must do

[tulip spear]

from my limited experience playing as Spain, however, the volunteers from the other side are always against you, though

[misty fossil]

Then find places that you only have to fight spanish troops and wait for the other volunteers to leave that tile so you move back

Unless ur playing mp

that i can help lol

[tulip spear]

actually I only saw volunteers from the other side, usually in places where my units were not
(SCW was a great place to grind veterancy, for what that is worth)

[crisp wyvern]

rate my germany

[eternal aspen]

alr i slept

and now i think i should be able to win

[misty fossil]

Yeah?

[eternal aspen]

before USA involvement, even tho it's April 1941

[tulip spear]

I might've just had a lucky run where the opposing volunteers were not as aggressive, I guess?

[storm echo]

can someone tell me how i can start a civil war using the failed wargoals?

[eternal aspen]

blitz moment

these heavy fighters are worth it ngl

might not have as many as if i were using light fighters, but man do they make up the difference in trades

also, who tf should i rplace todt with? i'm thinking SS path himmler for the extra generals or Gobbels for the reduced cap %

i either go +10% surrender limit (Propoganda Master - Gobbels) or waffen SS (himmler) for more free divs and generals

[storm echo]

staying hitler is best

[misty fossil]

what

i think goebbels?

[wraith mauve]

Is there a performance mod for tfr

[misty fossil]

No

[wraith mauve]

Any alternatives

[misty fossil]

Never seen a run where volunteers were

[tulip spear]

that's good to know

[misty fossil]

Yeah just double check really

idk

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/isopod-dance-silly-silly-guy-bounce-gif-9098501747213389321

[fathom shard]

@woeful knoll china did NOT get buffed bro

[eternal aspen]

i plan to stay loyal to him, because he gives such good buffs alr

but this is for my 3rd inner circle

because i took hess right after rhineland, so he never had time for his famous flight

[storm echo]

don tu already have 3?

[eternal aspen]

todt didn't finish

he doesn't count towards the 3rd

[south aurora]

Is there a mod for selling ships?

[eternal aspen]

like, selling navy vessels to other nations? i would assume not

as that'd be hard to do

[south aurora]

Modders have done tougher

[eternal aspen]

you can't remove them from a stockpile

[south aurora]

hold on lemme rephrase that

There

[south aurora]

Could be a separate system

Like Ultimate Admiral

[eternal aspen]

it could be ngl

just i never have seen one, so personally i cannot say

#modding might have better advice than general

[south aurora]

Ok thx

[eternal aspen]

it's june 1941

i'm alr up to date on everything else that isn't in research aside from surface vessels

[wraith mauve]

Is anyone a mod in the tfr server I was banned and I wanna make an appeal but don’t know how

[fathom oyster]

i took half the world as austria and got a secret nation that is liechtenstein

[wraith mauve]

Aura

[fathom shard]

how do you do this again

i forgot

[icy egret]

Why were you banned

[wraith mauve]

I stated my political views or a controversial person

[icy egret]

also the lightning bolts next to American flags isn’t helping 🥀

[eternal aspen]

i'm wondering why my heavy cas isn't effective...

[wraith mauve]

Why?

[eternal aspen]

no wonder

[fathom oyster]

britain took 2 years to nearly destroy their navy

[fathom shard]

least obvious nz

[wraith mauve]

I swear I am not

fine I’ll remove them

[fathom shard]

you don't have to put two of them

that genuinely makes u look like a nz cus they format it exactly like that

[wraith mauve]

Oh it symbols s s

[fathom shard]

yes

[wraith mauve]

Mb

I forgot😭

[icy egret]

you knew

[wraith mauve]

I swear I didn’t

[eternal aspen]

tbf, it is pretty easy to forget

since we type the staffeshultz as SS

[fathom shard]

not if you play mods like the fire rises

[eternal aspen]

not ⚡ twice

[fathom shard]

there's like

[vernal beacon]

is it bad if i lost my only 6 panzer divisions in the spanish civil war when i go to war with poland as germany

[wraith mauve]

Only once?

[fathom shard]

10 independent neo nazi cults

in that mod

[wraith mauve]

Not really

[wraith mauve]

Name checks out 😂

I’m jk I had to

[vernal beacon]

why cant i select that guy

[wraith mauve]

Promote him

[vernal beacon]

thanks

[icy egret]

How did that happen

[wraith mauve]

Also don’t use him as field marshal

[vernal beacon]

idk they were okay at the end of it

[icy egret]

Yeah Germany unlocks their field marshals in their focus tree

[vernal beacon]

but i never got my volunteers back

i thought it was automatically

[wraith mauve]

How do I appeal tho do u know

[eternal aspen]

oooh, i can afford the maus

[wraith mauve]

Was it light tanks?

[eternal aspen]

i can't use it at all ngl

[fathom oyster]

easy win the german brother war and win try to take half or all of germany as the monarchist austria and have switzend all of it and core it same gose to germany and do the or get to this after you finest coring and you have to get this

[vernal beacon]

yes

[wraith mauve]

Light tanks are ass medium best

[vernal beacon]

had 5 at the end of the war i believe

[fathom oyster]

@fathom shard

[vernal beacon]

yes i know i have a whole division for those now

but i wonder where they have gone

[wraith mauve]

Try recall

[icy egret]

I’ll send you the link privately to their ban appeal form

[eternal aspen]

finally my subs are trading good

[wraith mauve]

Thank you so much h

[icy egret]

Personally I’d wait a few years, that’s what I did to get unbanned off this server

[vernal beacon]

damn i needed those tanks for a quick invasion of denmark

[icy egret]

And the equestria at war server

[vernal beacon]

frick the commander

[wraith mauve]

years???

[icy egret]

yeah cause then it’s kind of guaranteed

[wraith mauve]

It might have been a month I think is that good😭

[icy egret]

A few months good

what did you guys think of all the April Fools updates?

[vernal beacon]

why does it say i have no divisions selected for gods sake

[icy egret]

I haven’t played any that came out this year, I haven’t had a ton of time.

[icy egret]

Because they are all assigned to that orange order

[vernal beacon]

i thought i unselected them

[elder glen]

air force and motorized trucks are a blessing❤️

[vernal beacon]

mb these are stupid issues

[icy egret]

Also you are only sending six untrained infantry to invade Norway, bro they are gonna die

[severe lion]

what is unhistorical even about 🙏🏼

[icy egret]

Send mountaineers at least

[elder glen]

being unhistorical/(and somewhat unrealistic)

[severe lion]

type shit u see on unhistorical

[elder glen]

what

[vernal beacon]

theyre trained to 96%

[severe lion]

read the text

[elder glen]

i cant read english tho

[severe lion]

its the polish lithuanian montenegrin commonwealth

[vernal beacon]

can i unassign another 6 from the 24?

[severe lion]

who is this

I dont have the gif

[vernal beacon]

like with the battle plan already set at denmark

[severe lion]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-idk-this-person-questioning-random-person-this-who-gif-5295285761881556675

damn this guy

hes a shithead

gets rid of all gifs and uploads his

[elder glen]

and a narcissist

anyways lettuce not derail

[vernal beacon]

i wanna delete the first order for the 6 naval invaders

[icy egret]

The landing is the hardest part, just train them the last 4%

[vernal beacon]

yes i will but i need to delete the first order

[icy egret]

Yeah just select the Unassign button

[vernal beacon]

no, i want them to be still in the same army

i dont want to redraw the denmark order

[vernal beacon]

ahh

[icy egret]

This will Unassign them from the order.

[vernal beacon]

thought you meant this

[eternal aspen]

how else can i make these better?

i feel they js need logi comp

[vernal beacon]

italy joined my faction is that gonna slow me down or something

cause when i played italy i needed alot of support from germany

[icy egret]

why motorized recon? wouldnt normal recon just be better

[icy egret]

They are whatever. Bail them out in Greece is easy enough

You also have to help them in Africa.

[vernal beacon]

should i invite romania

[icy egret]

Why not?

[vernal beacon]

i have no clue about alliances at all

[icy egret]

Well it depends on your plan, are you going for a heavy naval germany game and focusing on allies, or hard on soviets and ignoring the allies, or trying to win it more historically

[opal nymph]

You replace the arty with more marines. You replace the line AA with the support AA company.

Replace maintenance with field hospitals. Replace motorized recon with logistics, or flame tanks

[vernal beacon]

this looks pretty unbalanced

my troops are pretty strong

also

[heavy vigil]

hiiiiiii jonathan

[opal nymph]

Hi

[eternal aspen]

i js realized, i never got a chief of navy

so i have no nav xp

for the bloody marine doctrine

[icy egret]

well yeah its germany vs poland

[opal nymph]

Artemis II currently is in loss of signal, so doing other stuff now

[icy egret]

Wheres your tanks tho?

[heavy vigil]

i asked in ask for help how to lose and like it isnt that bad but its like im playing liberia and cant make air or navy so i have to land invade stuff

[vernal beacon]

i dont have that many hours its the first time not losing

[eternal aspen]

this has been what i look like, why did i never get chief of navy

[vernal beacon]

there

[opal nymph]

You want to lose?

Step 1: play Ethiopia
Step 2: delete troops
Step 3: unpause the game

[heavy vigil]

doesnt work you have undeletable units

anyway its for build

[opal nymph]

Ah crap

[heavy vigil]

so its inf liberia with no logistics and stuff

only support arty and engineers

[opal nymph]

I guess turn off bba first

Then you can delete everything

[heavy vigil]

dont you still get the kebur zebagna

or whatever

[opal nymph]

You get no irregulars

[eternal aspen]

wouldn't this logically mean the royal army cannot supply their african front as long as my submarines keep killing convoys?

[opal nymph]

And I assume all your inf is deletable

[opal nymph]

They can go around Iceland theoretically and go around Africa

Oh, the artemis 2 stream is back. Probably has been for a bit, but not much going on

[eternal aspen]

nope

got subs from Denmark Strait (the sea between greenland and iceland)

all the way to the African Coast sea zone

so on paper, they can't

[heavy vigil]

you get the kebur zebagna no

[opal nymph]

I guess as long as they can get into the zone, it's fine

[heavy vigil]

the guard in addis ababa

[eternal aspen]

but i gotta expand my wolfpack from 10x10 to 10x20 subs

[opal nymph]

Okay. Add in the step to move all troops to the corner of the country

[eternal aspen]

my sub template ftr

so it's not like, horrible, but once HDW is max for output then i can try for like, 30 or so in each subfleet

[vernal beacon]

im missing some range even though its the same plane all around 🥀

[eternal aspen]

i can't even help with light airframes

i'm using heavy fighters

[opal nymph]

Put a lot of guns i guess

And armor

[eternal aspen]

ye, that's like, all you gotta do

best guns you can, as much armour you can, and maybe self sealing if you can afford it

[queen schooner]

Anyone know how too navy

I’d love too learn

[smoky prairie]

Bloody good show old boy. Time to give the Mikado a good scrap what?

[opal nymph]

Group your surface fleet into 1 fleet, group your submarines into another fleet

[smoky prairie]

(Though I managed to get India too, lol)

[queen schooner]

What surface fleet

[opal nymph]

So surface fleet is your actual ships

Submarines are not part of your surface fleet

[queen schooner]

whats a good design

I know torpedos are good I think

[opal nymph]

Light attack light cruisers

Multipurpose destroyers are alright

[queen schooner]

what a light cruiser

[opal nymph]

Carriers with a lot of flight decks are good

Oh no

[queen schooner]

I have no idea what your saying rn

[opal nymph]

You have no background knowledge

[queen schooner]

I just know screens and submarines

and ik how to do missions

[opal nymph]

Light cruisers are the screen version of cruisers

[queen schooner]

Like patrol

what do screens do

I just know they exist

[opal nymph]

Heavy cruisers are the capital version of cruisers

[eternal aspen]

for the most part, new navy works like irl navies

[opal nymph]

Screens are not a ship

[eternal aspen]

like using historical vessels are OP some reason

[opal nymph]

Screens are your destroyers and light cruisers

[queen schooner]

Battleships do coastal bombardment?

[eternal aspen]

screens are more important

all can

[queen schooner]

oh

[opal nymph]

All capitals do

You just park your fleet next to a tile and they give a combat advantage

[queen schooner]

submarines sink convoys, destroyers sink submarines, battleships sink destroyers, am I right

[vernal beacon]

is the soviet finland war supposed to start now?

[eternal aspen]

sorta

[opal nymph]

Light attack sinks screens
Heavy attack sinks capitals

[opal nymph]

Torpedoes sinks capitals after enemy screens are gone

[eternal aspen]

my subs can sink DD easily ngl

[queen schooner]

so do you wanna sink screens

[opal nymph]

You kinda want to sink everything

[half trellis]

i find fire mod

[queen schooner]

do you want heavy attack or light attack

[opal nymph]

It is beneficial to sink screens first

[queen schooner]

Light attack then

[opal nymph]

Yes

[queen schooner]

Submarine torpedoes only good once the screens are gone then?

What ships are screens?

[opal nymph]

Carriers are great too, but you need another capital ship to protect them

[opal nymph]

Destroyers and light cruisers

[queen schooner]

so you want battleships

too sink those

I think

[opal nymph]

Capitals are battleships, battlecruisers, heavy cruisers, and coastal defense ships

[queen schooner]

no submarines

[opal nymph]

Submarines are their own thing

[queen schooner]

ah ok

what nation should I play too learn navy

[opal nymph]

Make sure you have some ships with high spotting to help spot subs so ships with depth charges can kill them

[queen schooner]

what is spotting

[opal nymph]

US has a great starting fleet

[opal nymph]

You spot things

[queen schooner]

what about Japan cuz they have alot of army stuff too

[opal nymph]

They are decent too

If you want to start from scratch with decent templates, play Germany

[queen schooner]

What ships have light attack

those are the ships I want to sink their screens

[opal nymph]

Depends on if you build them to have it

[eternal aspen]

y'all do you think his majesty and the yankees could touch this? it's a 9/2 just for coastal defence since i need to hold the coast while i invade russia

[queen schooner]

any design particularly?

[opal nymph]

For 1936 cruisers, 3 light medium batteries, 2 secondary batteries top row, fill in the rest

[fathom shard]

communist china? what's that

[queen schooner]

what stats should I do?

[opal nymph]

Trial and error

Ai is usually dumb at navy so you should be fine

[queen schooner]

none particularly?

[eternal aspen]

this makes me wanna puke omg

[opal nymph]

Build your ships to prioritize a stat

[eternal aspen]

how hasn't japan won in china yet? i even helped them take half the land they hold

[opal nymph]

I usually have my destroyers multiroles

So both torpedo and depth charges

[queen schooner]

what stats should I prioritize?

[opal nymph]

Trial and error

Light attack good for cruisers

Heavy attack and aa for capitals

[queen schooner]

ok

[opal nymph]

Plane count for carriers

[eternal aspen]

i js realized how far behind in naval hulls i am

[queen schooner]

I think I’m gonna try too make alot of range submarines as Japan, then add a bunch or torpedoes too sink American fleets

[queen schooner]

I prioritize range and the torpedo light attack

[eternal aspen]

focus on SS and CL for the americans

[queen schooner]

SS and CL mean?

[eternal aspen]

the royal navy will be relatively busy if german AI is half as decent as it usually is

[queen schooner]

I am gonna 1v1 America in 1940 don’t worry abt royal navy

after I take out China and indochina, it’s gonna be me vs Uncle Sam

[eternal aspen]

SS - Submarine
DD - Destroyer
CL - Light Cruiser
CA - Heavy Cruiser
BB - Battleship
BC - Battlecruiser
CV - Cruiser
CVL - Light/Escort Cruiser

[queen schooner]

Does light cruiser have light attack for screens I’m worried about getting rid of screens not capitals.

[faint fiber]

just got home from the movies, also this

[eternal aspen]

all can attack both

what cruiser hull do you have

[queen schooner]

ah ok

none I haven’t even started yet

Im starting now tho

any Japan path particularly good for navy

I got all DLCs

[vernal beacon]

is it possible that poland just accepts the danzig or war thing

[uncut pollen]

Yeah

[queen schooner]

Only non historical it’s possible

[uncut pollen]

In some cases

[queen schooner]

Diplomatic pressure if you have la resistance might help I’m not too sure tho

[lusty river]

first time using paratroopers and wow this is overpowered

[winter fulcrum]

well yeah the only time when it doesnt work is when they have more/better planes than you and you cant get air superiority

[queen schooner]

Right templates go crazy

[vernal beacon]

where is "Radar 2" on the research tab is it this?

[lusty river]

yea

[eternal aspen]

anyone who's good at navy can make this better, but here's what i'm thinking is a decent CL for navy @queen schooner

[terse skiff]

You don't need asw for cruisers

[eternal aspen]

as japan? yes you do

[terse skiff]

Subs rarely engage in actual fighting

No you use destroyers to kill subs

They're cheaper and do the job better

[eternal aspen]

so then you can slap for AA on there

[fair horizon]

Aa worthless on screens, they have small visibility so the one dedicated slot is enough, depth charges are a waste of a slot

[terse skiff]

That does nothing?

[eternal aspen]

and replace the SONAR with RADAR

[fair horizon]

Radar is better than sonar on cruisers

[terse skiff]

Sub hunting ships rarely fight planes

[eternal aspen]

ngl i gotta save nav xp anyting

[fair horizon]

If you want asw do destroyers with carrier support

Or skip that alltogether and just use naval bombers

[woeful knoll]

Are dual purpose guns useful

[fair horizon]

i think at the cost of piercing i guess

Id personally not bother with them except for secondaries and thats only really if i start with them

Radar or fire control would be more useful researchea

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[dusky burrow]

could be

[maiden bolt]

When Germany do Attack The soviet union Who do you think is gonna win the war the Soviet Union And The Communist States of America? or The Nazis And its Allies

[dusky burrow]

I've just heard someone complain about how useless paratroopers are

[woeful knoll]

what?

[vernal beacon]

got some backup panzer now

[dusky burrow]

That said

They are in fact useful

And no, you do not always land unopposed

[woeful knoll]

Im confused how they would work irl

like what i mean is

How would dropping

[lusty river]

lol

[dusky burrow]

They wouldn't

[woeful knoll]

900 infantrymen on paris

make a country surrender itself to a africian warlord

[dusky burrow]

The largest airborne operations involved around 30,000 men

[pallid chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/tounge-out-slit-out-skydive-nitrocircus-here-i-come-gif-15162962

[lusty river]

but when it happens its funny

[dusky burrow]

That's one and a half paratrooper divisions

[woeful knoll]

Just realized

[dusky burrow]

basically a coup

[woeful knoll]

no paradox game has endgame content

[dusky burrow]

fair

[safe wing]

That’s a total war problem too

Like total war as a franchise has little end game content as well

And the content it does have is basically a walkover

[woeful knoll]

Hoi4 focus trees: Game about ww2, no focuses after 1939 in extreme cases

[dusky burrow]

The thing with paradrops is that they do work, they don't hit as hard as other division types you may see. But they still fight enemy units, and if you have a paratrooper division coming at you, they will do something

[lusty river]

i see

it might be easier to paratroop naval bases or around naval bases instead of invading as some countries

like minors

[woeful knoll]

whats stopping the enemy from making a last stand on your supporting attacks like your naval invasion then just spamming troops on your paratroopers

[safe wing]

As the Byzantine empire I can’t get gunpowder units without mods despite owning the eastern half of the map

[dusky burrow]

You also get to last stand and force attack yourself

[safe wing]

The Byzantine empire was offered by Orban to make that big ass gun the ottomans used

But they had no money

The Gauls in Rome total war don’t get any good endgame content unlike the Greeks or Roman’s

[smoky prairie]

If you're looking for endgame stuff, I can recommend Extended Tech Tree 1960 (ETT 1960) which I use on all my runs. Extends the tech tree to include 1960 techs and equipment, and makes the end date 1965

[woeful knoll]

I dont want more +2 percent hard attack tech slop

[dusky burrow]

how well does the ai cope though

[woeful knoll]

i want content

[lusty river]

i want less lag in end game + mengjiang tree

[woeful knoll]

i want an ai rework

something like eu4

[fair horizon]

Erm they actually are becauae i dont focus on planes

[woeful knoll]

where the ai is actually coded

[winter fulcrum]

u can do this by conquering the world earlier

[smoky prairie]

The AI is reworked to make use of the new techs and equipment and design its templates and equipment accordingly

[smoky prairie]

Look up Sheep's AI mod

[winter fulcrum]

lowk i want a mod that goes from like 1000 or something all the way to like modern day

[woeful knoll]

no not like that

[lusty river]

yea but it takes a long time with lag

[dusky burrow]

well that's your problem

[woeful knoll]

like a acutally diplomacy system

stuff like trust, favors, etc

[dusky burrow]

also sometimes you might not need air supremacy

[fair horizon]

Its paradox's fualt

[dusky burrow]

because you can paradrop if no one has air supremacy

[smoky prairie]

That's what EU4 is for.

[high vector]

Yugoslavia and Romania waiting to get focus trees after Afghanistan:

[smoky prairie]

@woeful knoll

[high vector]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dust-turn-to-dust-disintergrate-gif-1668577879321300429

[mossy plover]

Hello

[woeful knoll]

Navy bros dont use airforce

[winter fulcrum]

no it doesnt

if u conquer the world earlier

[fair horizon]

No air mio makes me less inclined to do planes

[woeful knoll]

yeah but

[dusky burrow]

gray air + green air > 70% = paradrop
red air + yellow air = no paradrop

[woeful knoll]

the mechanics should be in other paradox titles

[lusty river]

but im not pro :(

[woeful knoll]

Genuine trash

[smoky prairie]

Well, they aren't, at least not at present

[woeful knoll]

I dont see how any devs can sit in a room and be like

yeah lets add that to romania

[dusky burrow]

paradrops can absolutely support naval landings

provides distraction + opens up combat width

[fair horizon]

Oh i do its just worthless because without like 20k planes to their 10k it loses

[high vector]

trick question, devs haven't added anything to Romania since release

[fair horizon]

I just naval invade more tiles with non-marines

[woeful knoll]

bro

[dusky burrow]

I once saw someone sealion by dropping a bunch of paratroopers in the middle of the UK and then sending their forces in a naval invasion afterwards

[high vector]

im pretty sure the HOI4 team has forgotten yugoslavia and romania even exist

[woeful knoll]

TECHNICALLY they added the shared austria hungary focus tree with i think some romania focuses in there

[dusky burrow]

Funny how the AI was unable to kill the paratroopers even with like 50 divisions

[high vector]

yeah they added content for romania to get subjugated thru a decision

😭

[dusky burrow]

Why not invade more tiles with marines? But that's not exactly what I'm getting at

If your enemy has, say, 6 divisions on every coastal tile, you may need better strategies than just hurtling marines

[smoky prairie]

Also btw on ETT 1960, there is an option to include "shackles" on certain small/insignificant AI countries to prevent them training armies, such as El Salvador, Honduras, Uruguay, etc. This helps with late-game lag. The shackles are dynamic and are removed automatically if the country in question starts getting justified on

[high vector]

first piece of romania content and it's a path for them to give up all their land and become a habsburg puppet

💯

[woeful knoll]

ima play hasburg rn

and see if its good

[high vector]

it's really good if you get lucky with the decisions

just savescum until the AI accepts all your free offers and they're OP

[fair horizon]

Limited marine space, i usually dont get over the minimum 48 because of australia's low army size

[smoky prairie]

I'm doing a run at present as the UK where I went Monarchist and accomplished the Imperial Federation

[woeful knoll]

Czech has 10x your divs and factories but will willingly submit to you as austria/hungary

[high vector]

yeah lol

the AI will roll over 99% of the time

so you get 20x bigger without fighting a war

and u also get all their divisions when they accept ur annexation

😹

[dusky burrow]

well you can get more than 48 marine battalions

you can also get more people

[fair horizon]

Yeah if had a bigger army sure

[dusky burrow]

say you puppet china

you can siphon off their manpower

[woeful knoll]

~manpower 9999999

[high vector]

i think there's some cheese strat with australia

that involves trying to form a union with new zealand?

[dusky burrow]

yeah i'm telling them to use two cheese strats

[high vector]

or invading them?

[dusky burrow]

and yeah you can unify with new zealand

[high vector]

i forget

i can't imagine actually playing australia tho that sounds like hell

one of the worst island nations to start

[fair horizon]

I mean sure i could puppet china but i like to invade indonesia early

[woeful knoll]

Indenpendent democratic new zealand/austrialia is actually a cia torture method

[dusky burrow]

I mean

If you can get military access in Europe invading the Netherlands becomes a piece of cake

[fair horizon]

6m-7m pop

[dusky burrow]

And then you get both Netherlands and Indonesia

[fair horizon]

you need britian to go comme or fascist for that

[high vector]

it's just building literally everything from scratch

[mossy plover]

I hear the AI in this game is shit especially since some updates ago

allegedly

[high vector]

researching and building everything so u cant even contend with majors until like 1948

😭

[mossy plover]

naval AI no longer works correctly

[high vector]

yeah the AI is quite easy if you know how it works

[mossy plover]

for lack of more appropriate words, is there any way to unscrew it?

[fair horizon]

Its not an island actually ☝️ 🤓

[woeful knoll]

Every new addition added to hoi4 is a new way ai is broken

as AI can not use new features

[mossy plover]

and which one of the AI mods works the best with the current version of the game?

[high vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189982350780674106/1466332221827846214/caption.gif

[woeful knoll]

Just make a facton

your gameplay

[safe wing]

Anyways Playing some hell divers 2 rn and having a blast

[high vector]

yeah thats the only way to play most minors

leech off a faction that can actually fight

lmao

[fair horizon]

Australia can fight majors in 1940

[mossy plover]

Yes

how to make the game more challenging besides increasing difficulty?

[high vector]

idkkk

[woeful knoll]

sheeps ai

[vernal beacon]

where are these two things in the research tab: SKDFZ 11 (Mech1),
Advanced Flamethrower

[mossy plover]

also intentionally throwing

[fair horizon]

Its about all i play and i do

[high vector]

sheeps AI, there's also realism mods like Black Ice

but i wouldn't recommend black ice unless ur severely mentally ill

[mossy plover]

Doesn't that make turbocharged meta molester divisions with like 2k soft attack

[high vector]

without the allies?

[woeful knoll]

Thats called multiplayer

[fair horizon]

Yeah

The only ally to worry about is america

[dusky burrow]

No

But it does make turbocharged divisions

Not quite meta though

[vernal beacon]

Are these good encirclements im new

also i had a few more but theyre gone now

[woeful knoll]

its april 1940 bro

[vernal beacon]

what about it

[woeful knoll]

you know what about it

[vernal beacon]

no thats why im asking

[woeful knoll]

its april 1940, your germany, and you havent gotten through poland yet

[vernal beacon]

the guide is pretty slow too

im only half a year ahead

i think

[woeful knoll]

Your finished

[high vector]

this might be because of shitty AI i fear

[fair horizon]

I mean i guess?

[high vector]

do you wait for japan to declare first and then go in?

[fair horizon]

No

[high vector]

okay then the allies are just terrible 😭

[fair horizon]

I usually leave the allies around 1940ish

Britian cant do anything without their navy

[high vector]

thats what im sayin they should be able to blow ur navy outta the water

good thing they're dumb

[fair horizon]

They're too busy defending their island

America will use theirs way more offensively

And they cant naval invade you without it

Invest in minelaying too

[high vector]

lol you just reminded me of the Romanian navy strat

[fair horizon]

OP

[high vector]

(steal everyone elses navy dont even build dockyards)

[vernal beacon]

i mean now theyre gone

[fair horizon]

The only real navy meta

[woeful knoll]

France?

The soviets

Benelux?

[safe wing]

@high vector the ai in the Medieval 2 total war mod I play is surprisingly competent

[high vector]

nice nice

[safe wing]

The Turks attacked me whenever my back was turned as Byzantium

[high vector]

you're getting your border pushed by france in 1940, you might wanna restart the run 😭

idk what you've done but it appears to have gone horribly wrong

[vernal beacon]

what do you mean

[green magnet]

guys, should i make an 18 or 20 width inf div for italy?

[high vector]

have you just not attacked france yet

i thought from the looks of it they were beating you

[high vector]

yeahhh this pisses me off in EU4

as soon as you start a war in EU4, if it's not done within a week, you're getting slimed out

[vernal beacon]

theyre not lol

im about to kill dutch tho

[high vector]

o ok nvm

[mossy plover]

Epic fail

[viscid mason]

@heavy vigil Ban him

<@&846894118219022336>

[keen pebble]

im trying to get the howitzer artillery how do i get breakthrough points?

[viscid mason]

just wait it will come soon

[heavy vigil]

nine pings huh

[viscid mason]

yeah gotta remove em all

[heavy vigil]

i wasnt in time im slow

[viscid mason]

better luck next time

[vernal beacon]

france cannot cope with my army bruh

[mossy plover]

Gentlemen tell me about sheep's mod

[vernal beacon]

they attacked me when i was at the netherlands

[mossy plover]

do I have to downgrade or something?

[vernal beacon]

after that i am now pushing back fat

okay it did not work

how tf can i keep the french from invading my ahh

[wild sedge]

Personally I run an 18 width inf div

Just a block of 9 infanterie divisions

And then I add 4 field arty pieces if I want them as shock troops

Make sure to add support artillery, eng, and AA

[eternal aspen]

improved howitzer or rockets for SPG?

[wild sedge]

Not sure. I don’t run SPGs that much. I would probably run howitzer.

[vernal beacon]

can i let italy join war efforts?

[wild sedge]

Depends.

They usually serve as a distraction for the AI

I would just let them in but watch your border with them

[heavy vigil]

you should stall

imo

because italy ai always lacks industry massively so giving them more time to make just anything is good

[wild sedge]

They are a good distraction when I play Germany 😂

Just leave 12 divisions on their border and let the game run

Or just knock out the UK and hit annex all

This was an older game of mine

Went France and just held the line

Italy crumbled as usual

[vernal beacon]

where do i get both of these things in research tho : SKDFZ 11 (Mech1),
Advanced Flamethrower

[wild sedge]

Flamethrower… I think that is from facilities

SKDFZ is in the infanterie equipment section

Should be below the guns

[eternal aspen]

if i can at least take ukraine and ostland i should be able to secure victory

[wild sedge]

Go for supply hubs

[eternal aspen]

issue is, i need autarky ASAP bc eco of conquest has hit 100% right as i declared on russia

[eternal aspen]

i've doen this b4

with 9/3 and no tanks, before WuW dropped

[wild sedge]

Ok, so personally I would capitulate the US first

[eternal aspen]

i can't

[wild sedge]

How come?

[eternal aspen]

no resources

[wild sedge]

Just capitulate the UK

Steal their navy

[eternal aspen]

again, can't

[vernal beacon]

also is it normal if france is hogging my border after i get the 3 country focus

[eternal aspen]

i spend about 150 steel on just tanks and i barely run surplus

[vernal beacon]

where i get immediate justification

[wild sedge]

Yes

[eternal aspen]

my main issue isn't even the allies, my submarines are erasing them

it's that i need to invade russia for chromium for capital ships for dominance

because as is, the USN and RN would evaporate me if i did cruiser spam

my construction, below the nuclear site it's all just repairs and infrastructure

[wild sedge]

Ok so here is what I do as Germany:

-Cap France
-Naval invade the UK across the channel. Use air power to clean up the seas. Use the navy on patrol. Submarines can stay in port.
-Plan the naval invasion of the UK on Dover and the tile to the right of Portsmouth
-Land Naval and cap UK
-Annex all and take all the navies
-Use all price controls in order to reduce the penalties
-Go to Canada and land soldiers there (10 infanterie armees and 2 mech/tank armees)
-Cap US
-Achieve Autarky
-Line up against the USSR
-Cap USSR
-Cap Japan

[heavy vigil]

turkiye and sweden easier

[wild sedge]

Swedes just cap easy enough

[eternal aspen]

i'm couping turkey rn

[wild sedge]

Good

[eternal aspen]

sweden i have their resources from focus

3 weeks into the quick military excersize

[wild sedge]

I run my tank divisions as 30 width with 9 tanks and 6 motorized.

Mech has 9 mech and 4 motorized artillery

[eternal aspen]

my tanks haven't done much bc they had to cross the Bug River

[wild sedge]

Medium tanks have 80%+ reliability. Max speed and +2 armor.

Improved howitzer

With wet ammo, easy maintenance, and machine guns

Three man turret

And Christie suspension

[eternal aspen]

my current MT design

ik it isn't good, but it just has to endure until i get modern tanks

[wild sedge]

So I would go for speed

Since the operation again the USSR relies on speed

I would go christie suspension for the tracks

[eternal aspen]

all i'm saying, i alr own misnk

[wild sedge]

The top row is fine

[eternal aspen]

using 9/2

[wild sedge]

Not bad but I’m preping for Smolensk and Leningrad where the terrain is not favorable

[eternal aspen]

this has been my division since spain

[fair horizon]

Just buy chromium

[eternal aspen]

and i've won most everything

[eternal aspen]

autarky

[wild sedge]

This is very good

[fair horizon]

Take over sweden then

[eternal aspen]

i need to control the resources

[wild sedge]

He has it by focus

[eternal aspen]

i... own most their resources alr

[wild sedge]

He wants the chromium for the navy

[eternal aspen]

i gotta actually go down my army branch omg

[fair horizon]

So whats the issue then?

[eternal aspen]

i haven't touched this since gelb

[wild sedge]

He’s on 100% consumer goods

[eternal aspen]

was

i got the polish gold

[wild sedge]

was

[eternal aspen]

now it's like.. 80% or smth

89.5% from eco of conquest

[wild sedge]

Yeah you desperately need autarky

[wild sedge]

Personally if you had capped the UK earlier and capped the US this could have been avoided

[eternal aspen]

if i got UK early

i wouldn't have this much of an issue

[wild sedge]

Yup

[eternal aspen]

bc they have what, -40% for the modifier?

[wild sedge]

50%

not to mention their navy

[fair horizon]

Whats he missing for autarky?

[wild sedge]

And that you can annex Canada to invade the US

[eternal aspen]

uhh, lemme check what i need

[wild sedge]

Needs less than 90%
Needs all rubber
Needs all chromium
Needs steel
Needs oil

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/isopod-dance-silly-silly-guy-bounce-gif-9098501747213389321

[eternal aspen]

this is what i got so far

[wild sedge]

Not bad.

[eternal aspen]

so it's literally just russia

and i should have it

[wild sedge]

US has the oil.

And the steel

[fair horizon]

Take romania and portugal

[wild sedge]

Russia has tungsten sometimes

[eternal aspen]

i have rumania puppet rn

[wild sedge]

Not enough for that

[queen schooner]

Guys I’m playing Japan. Got Hawaii but my fleet can’t reach the final seaboard. Any tips?

[wild sedge]

Annex

[heavy vigil]

spain exists fyi

[fair horizon]

Take them too then

[vernal beacon]

oh no its sooo late

[eternal aspen]

i went ally spain, ima go operation isabella for portugal sooner than later, I just wanna try capthe british

[vernal beacon]

can i still do something??

[heavy vigil]

tbh oil is tricky

you want full collabs and forced labour on romania

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-kevin-hart-cat-kevin-hart-gif-9815353059216625636

[wild sedge]

if you really wanna meme on the US you can increase your ideology in there… locks them out of their focus tree and makes it easier to cap them

[wild sedge]

USA USA USA USA USA and annexing the british and french colonies

[eternal aspen]

we should have the ability to develop arabia for oil

[heavy vigil]

no sealion no barb i mean

[heavy vigil]

you can

[wild sedge]

Yeah