hoi4-general

[eternal aspen]

hollon, actually, what's your fighter look like?

[plucky peak]

i'm winning 10 to 15/20 and i still get red air, max yellow occasionally

[eternal aspen]

bc it might just be the aircraft you have not that the sheeps ai is optimized for this

[plucky peak]

advanced chassis with 4 HMG eng 3 and 2 armor plates

playing as germany

i'm not the best in meta

[eternal aspen]

do you have advanced medium airframes?

[plucky peak]

not really, why?

[eternal aspen]

heavy fighters

[plucky peak]

should i have gone for them instead?

[eternal aspen]

nah, it isn't vital

but i have a suspicion they are relatively better when it comes to trading

[plucky peak]

the thing is, i'm winning trades

[eternal aspen]

though that's my take, bc i focus on them from day-1

can you deploy more airwings?

it could js be lack of planes to compete with their numbers

it's like old navy, the more IC you had, the more twards dominance you had

[plucky peak]

so number plays a bigger deal than power for air dominance?

[rugged niche]

I usually go with more planes then they have and just hope I will win

[eternal aspen]

somewhat

actually, does anyone wanna get into an MP game to try see if heavy or light fighters are better?

[misty fossil]

Thats the problem. In sheep’s the ai only builds meta planes and the meta happens to be light airframes, not heavy. Heavy fighters just arent as good as normal fighters

[rugged niche]

Yes yes more planes means more bzz bzz in your sky of your engine. More friendly bzz more motivation on ground! 😋😋😊

[eternal aspen]

unless you spec into them in 1936, then yea they're basically useless bc it's so much more expensive

[plucky peak]

i never said i'm building heavy fighters

[misty fossil]

Fighter meta has always been fighter 3/4 with full HMG, engine 3/4, fuel tank and 2x armour plates with range focused mio

[eternal aspen]

and that's hard to do, when you have nthn for them

[misty fossil]

What are you building?

[eternal aspen]

fokkewulf is the meta MIO for german air

just in general, iirc it gives flat range

plus a bunch more

[plucky peak]

improved small airframe with 3 HMG and 2 armor with focke-wulf for range

[rugged niche]

Tru Tru

I know this from bitter steel

[plucky peak]

and i'm trading positive, but i rarely get over red air

[eternal aspen]

might just be numbers then

get state AA to help kill them faster, other than that just try shit out more

[plucky peak]

the allied AI does spam a big chunk of them tho

[crude grotto]

Yo what happens when you take this decision?

[plucky peak]

iirc you start a border conflict and if you win, you get an enemy state

[plucky peak]

how many factories should i be on planes by 40?

[eternal aspen]

Good question, I dknt really focus on air as germany

I intentionally avoid doing it bc AA is much cheaper for me by then

[high vector]

you can get by against the AI with just 3-4 on fighters and CAS each

[eternal aspen]

So that I can save rubber for mech/mot

[high vector]

obviously that scales up the more fronts you fight on but

[plucky peak]

sheeps ai

[high vector]

no more than 5-6

[torpid stump]

What’s the best land doctrine for Germany rn

[high vector]

mobile warfare is the best for tanks & motorized

if u wont play with armor and motorized alot then go with grand battleplan or superior firepower

[eternal aspen]

mobile warfare doesn't matter much anymore

because you can get tank buffs on GBP

and you get more entrenchment

[high vector]

the most important thing is Mission Type Tactics for your Operational Sub-Doctrine

[eternal aspen]

yh

[high vector]

everything else is kinda flexible against the AI cuz they suck

[torpid stump]

What’s the best sub doctrines

For tanks

[eternal aspen]

depends

how are you going to use them? will you use them like germany, USA, or britain

[torpid stump]

Germany

[eternal aspen]

spearhead

for infantry, mobile infantry is the best imo, just bc you buff infantry, mot/mech, and cav

so it's very rounded out

[torpid stump]

So switch to GBP then do Spearhead on Armor

[eternal aspen]

if possible, lemme boot up and check to make sure

[torpid stump]

Kk

[eternal aspen]

before you waste XP changing doctrine and it isn't available

[misty fossil]

And fuel tank

I think

Not sure why they dont use drop tank instead

[plucky peak]

i don't need range

with fokke wulf

[craggy trail]

It goes over the weight to thrust ratio

[misty fossil]

Oh i see

wait right

Im wrong

3HMGs with 2 armour plates and self sealing

my bad

[fair horizon]

Engine 4

[misty fossil]

Without range mio its 1 armour plate, self sealing and 1 fuel tank

[eternal aspen]

spearhead should be visible with gbp @torpid stump

[misty fossil]

We’re talking about 1939-40 planes

[eternal aspen]

im gonna do a germany game with heavy fighters, see how it goes

[torpid stump]

thanks

[exotic oracle]

I want play millennium dawn. I just wanna play it with somebody.

But idk

[eternal aspen]

what's like, the best MT MIO for germany? i'm thinking it'd be MAN or Mercades Benz

[misty fossil]

MD is super laggy

[exotic oracle]

Not for me it not

[misty fossil]

infantry tank designer

[eternal aspen]

not really as of late

but it's just... boring

[misty fossil]

Henschel or something

really?

[eternal aspen]

yea

[misty fossil]

Idk ive only played MD once and i didnt really enjoy it either

[eternal aspen]

as of WuW, MD has reduced its lag a lot

because they optimized everything when they had to redo states for the 1.15 update

[exotic oracle]

Yes it doesn’t get laggy I’m just bored and want play something and it a lot funner with people than solo

[misty fossil]

fair

I mean you can play something like eaw with designer mods

[exotic oracle]

True that

[misty fossil]

designer mods makes you engage more with the game

[exotic oracle]

I honestly might just turn on Harry Potter and fall asleep

[eternal aspen]

i wish MIO's showed you what the modifiers will be when you unlock everything you selected to use points on ahead of time

like how doctrines show what all the buffs will be and allat

[misty fossil]

more modules means you really have to spend time to read through the tooltips and consider what’s good

[misty fossil]

Absolutely

[exotic oracle]

I wish I had DLCs to be honest i love playing the pope as Italy but I don’t have any of DLCs

[misty fossil]

to answer your question, apply standardised production mio to tanks with HMGs, then refit it with your desired cannon and apply infantry tank mio to that design

[eternal aspen]

exactly, but i also like having more slots for things on vehicles as it makes life way easier

[misty fossil]

Apply whatever mio that gives you more production cap or lowers your production cost to the production line

[misty fossil]

Yeah

i play vnr simply because it gives me more dopamine

[shrewd inlet]

fart

[exotic oracle]

Guys someone just suggested rise of nations mod how good is that mod

[raw crystal]

So far, my favorite path in HOI 4 is Monarchist Germany with the Germany DLC. I love monarchies in HOI 4.

[misty fossil]

Not very good from what i heard

[exotic oracle]

Thanks

[misty fossil]

some stuff are bugged and the game lags like hell after ww1 or something

[shrewd inlet]

never played

it

Isnt it like a really long mod

[misty fossil]

the ncns japan focus tree is very good

better than any chinese trees

[eternal aspen]

it's... a lot

[shrewd inlet]

China the goat

Generalissimo Chiang Kai Shek will repel the running dogs

[eternal aspen]

it's trying to be the whole 20th century in one mod, but it's got a lot of content in one package so it carries a lot

[shrewd inlet]

😭

[eternal aspen]

maybe if they split it between 2 or 3 downloads ti might run better

[exotic oracle]

Ah yeah nvm

[shrewd inlet]

I dont think a mod like that will ever work

with how the hoi4 engine buckles easily

[misty fossil]

The mod itself is almost as big as eu4 (3.4gb vs 4.4gb)

[shrewd inlet]

never seen anyone use the heavy cannon IIs

[exotic oracle]

I might honestly try to figure out Victoria 3 cause that game ong is most confusing game ever

[misty fossil]

thats eaw

[raw crystal]

I have 5 of the DLCs. BoB, LA resistance, No Step Back, and the German DLC that starts with a G. All of them through Steam sales.

[craggy trail]

That's vanilla

[shrewd inlet]

dont think so

[misty fossil]

2x Improved cannon 2s are better than hmg

[shrewd inlet]

i see italy yugo and romania

[misty fossil]

What

Oh it is

[craggy trail]

Focke-Wulf Mio

[shrewd inlet]

isnt the ic hella crazy

[misty fossil]

I saw the red plane and thought of yaks

Yeah but its air

[shrewd inlet]

I lowk never used the heavy cannons, the mgs have been the goats

[exotic oracle]

Me to I got PSTD from war thunder

[shrewd inlet]

what in the 163

[misty fossil]

Floof have you played the april fools tree

Is it good?

[eternal aspen]

i feel like large cnn are good

[misty fossil]

I mean yakyakistan not yak 9k

[shrewd inlet]

idk i never see anyone use it outside of trolling

[exotic oracle]

Oh mb

[eternal aspen]

for WT?

it's cancer

it's a bunch of P2W sweats in jets

[misty fossil]

Is the diarchy path in eaw good is what i meant

i played wt

I died to a yak actually

[shrewd inlet]

wt is alright

[misty fossil]

I uninstalled that game for a reason

140 hours…

[exotic oracle]

I like tanks in wt not jets

[shrewd inlet]

the 50 mil 262s are s o funny

[craggy trail]

You can use it for strong late game jets

[exotic oracle]

I threw a monitor out of the window because of that game

[misty fossil]

wtf?

deadass??

[exotic oracle]

Yes

[shrewd inlet]

is that the 1945 fighter or the actual supersonic jet

[eternal aspen]

oh, idk i don't play EAW

[misty fossil]

im glad i uninstalled that game

[eternal aspen]

i was gonna, but never did

[shrewd inlet]

because by thetime you get the supersonic ones the game is over

😭

I have never in my life seen those

[eternal aspen]

is this the meta 1936 sub?

[misty fossil]

@craggy trail sorry for ping

[eternal aspen]

i can't remember if it uses 2 sets of torps or mine and torp

[misty fossil]

No

[exotic oracle]

Me too

[shrewd inlet]

goated torps

[eternal aspen]

actually i will put mines in there

[shrewd inlet]

mines 🥶

[eternal aspen]

yh

[shrewd inlet]

they're funny and tha'ts abt it

unless they changed it

[eternal aspen]

indeed

they're pretty bloody useless now aint they

[misty fossil]

sub 3 with torps 4, engine 4 and anechoic tiles OR fleet submarine with level 4 modules and anechoic

[craggy trail]

It's all good

[misty fossil]

I need to play it

[shrewd inlet]

this is NOT 1936

😭

[raw crystal]

I kind of want to try out Space Marines against the AI.

[misty fossil]

I normally dont use subs as my naval gauntlet

but then again i play with vnr

[eternal aspen]

tthis is the 1936 one lol

[shrewd inlet]

subs are funny

[eternal aspen]

tbf 1936 germany this is the best i start with

[misty fossil]

I only use subs for fun really

[eternal aspen]

i will build a hochseeflotte too

[shrewd inlet]

shbb and light cruisers my goat tho

[eternal aspen]

bc i wanna naval invade london

[misty fossil]

My full focus is on carriers

[shrewd inlet]

they're only really good for raiding and range

[lilac ginkgo]

hi im back

[eternal aspen]

SHBB are useless ngl

their buff from pre-NCNS is gone

[misty fossil]

Yeah i only use them to farm ws

[craggy trail]

Pretty good. Though you will have to prep for the big war as you get a Dread League style declare war

[shrewd inlet]

They're damage sponges for your carriers

[eternal aspen]

true

[misty fossil]

damn i need to try it

[shrewd inlet]

literally the only reason why battleships are used is damage sponge

[eternal aspen]

but just put max BB armour with decent guns on a 1939 chasis

[shrewd inlet]

and AA platform iirc

[misty fossil]

Can you wc with it?

[exotic oracle]

I’m gonna go try to find some people to play with

[lilac ginkgo]

do you still want the save

[eternal aspen]

sure

[craggy trail]

I haven't gotten to that point just yet

[eternal aspen]

i'll get to doing it later however

[lilac ginkgo]

how do i send it

ive got multiple

[shrewd inlet]

shbb is better than them iirc

[misty fossil]

Vnr forces you to engage with the mechanics of the game

and not cheese it

[shrewd inlet]

and youget them way earlier

really only the USA makes them

[misty fossil]

You have to build conventional fleets, otherwise you just lose

[eternal aspen]

they take way too long imo

also damn HDW is evil

[shrewd inlet]

you start them 3 years earlier than the 39 battleships

[eternal aspen]

depends if you have the navy facility

[shrewd inlet]

true

[eternal aspen]

with germaniawerft, i could get 1939 hulls by mid 1938

[shrewd inlet]

It's why the usa builds them bc you can rush it

[eternal aspen]

and have my first one deployed by mid 1939 if it's cheap

true

it's good for USA, that i cannot lie ab

[shrewd inlet]

oh with germany lowk their custom cruiser was good iirc

when are we getting the usa dlc that doubles american eco

🙏

i need to outproduce the axis and comintern by myself in 40

[misty fossil]

Honestly in vanilla you can get away with building a single fleet of 5 carriers, maybe 6-7 (no pun intended this time) battleships and some cruisers

[exotic oracle]

I want an American DLC so bad it’s totally not because I’m American

[shrewd inlet]

yeah bc that's what it's been for ages

[misty fossil]

yeah

[eternal aspen]

we need new USA content ngl

[misty fossil]

TRUE

[shrewd inlet]

perchance destroyers aswell for screens

[eternal aspen]

it's got nthn to do but warplans and military development past 1939

[shrewd inlet]

the USA needs the KX industry in base game

[misty fossil]

or just CL spam lol

[exotic oracle]

I don’t like USA anymore I can’t afford gas I’ve been walking to work

[eternal aspen]

how do i put this strapping lad in high command?

[shrewd inlet]

😭

[misty fossil]

yeah its dumb

[raw crystal]

In Strategy games when I get to pick a nation I choose Germany even though I am American.

[shrewd inlet]

should be a tab above traits

[misty fossil]

anyway i love sinking 20 carriers in a single naval battle

[shrewd inlet]

also

[exotic oracle]

This is so true I do it because Im related to Himmler

[shrewd inlet]

naval ic needs to be like, completely redone, where's my 10 trillion carriers and 5 zillion liberty ships

[eternal aspen]

he has 2 officer corps things though..?

[shrewd inlet]

🤷‍♂️

[eternal aspen]

he is't in here, odd

ion need him tbf, i'll get a better guy for it

[misty fossil]

Hire a level 1 general, farm that guy’s traits in the spanish civil war

[shrewd inlet]

get my goat franz bohme

[misty fossil]

there are tutorials on yt

[misty fossil]

“My goat”

that guy committed war crimes bro

[shrewd inlet]

yeah my goat

we love the 6 attack general

[exotic oracle]

My ancestor is worse

Jk

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/739835273969664053/1484272868744499331/image.gif

[eternal aspen]

tis the plan

[shrewd inlet]

just wait till blue china lands in japan

you aint seen nothing yet son

[eternal aspen]

also Rudolf hess is so op

[exotic oracle]

I’m related to Himmler

[misty fossil]

Ive seen what dirlewanger and unit 731 did

[eternal aspen]

+15% MIO research speed

[misty fossil]

it cant be worse than that

[shrewd inlet]

Japan deserved to get firebombed

[eternal aspen]

didn't he have nobody of his bloodline?

[misty fossil]

Seriously??

[prime marsh]

nothing happened in unit 731

wdym

[exotic oracle]

He’s like one of my cousins I don’t know but yeah

[shrewd inlet]

salt the land loot the villages

and leave

[eternal aspen]

bro is trolling...

[shrewd inlet]

fr

[misty fossil]

the firebombings were harrowing but considering what japan did i think that’s karma

you reap what you sow

[shrewd inlet]

It's freaking based

[misty fossil]

Death is never based

[shrewd inlet]

American Air power is the best thing ever

[eternal aspen]

is speer or goring better after i get the buffs from todt?

[shrewd inlet]

speer iirc

[misty fossil]

you cant look at people dying and cheer as if its a good thing

[raw crystal]

Number 1 rule to win a World War never attack the US.

[misty fossil]

goring

goring gives you production boost iirc

Hover over the focus and read the tooltip

[eternal aspen]

or provoke them

[exotic oracle]

Nope I am not dna test

[misty fossil]

My previous japan game i did declare on the us first before striking pearl harbour

[shrewd inlet]

lets poke the most powerful nation to ever exist with a stick

[misty fossil]

me when i (playing as japan) am the most powerful nation

[eternal aspen]

Goring is better, speer is good for a civ build early game but he's useless considering i'm going todt

[misty fossil]

yeah i said goring is netter

[shrewd inlet]

did you do left or right german eco

[misty fossil]

Better

[eternal aspen]

i'm going 4 year plan

ion got time to lollygag about and let britain build up

i need to crush their navy ASAP

[misty fossil]

just let them build up

[eternal aspen]

going for a WC to get TNO achievement

[misty fossil]

numbers dont mean anything if they cant use it and the ai just cannot use it properly

you can have a ratio of 20:1 and still win

[raw crystal]

I do prioritize Economic Growth when doing Monarchist Germany.

[shrewd inlet]

oh yeah funny thing

I havent done the alt hist paths for germany since the new dlc came out

[raw crystal]

I beat the Soviets as Monarchist Germany but lose to the Allies usually.

[eternal aspen]

it's fun

the civil war actually matters

[surreal mist]

Hitler's funner

[shrewd inlet]

meh i fell out with my kiaser germany larp phase ages ago

I now only larp for kmt china

[fair horizon]

Chat do you think australia will get a plane mio in the dlc?

[shrewd inlet]

maybe

[misty fossil]

Pray that they do

Otherwise ill be so mad

i literally consider countries based on whether they have range mio and naval mios or not

[fair horizon]

Brother im all out of hopium and copium

[eternal aspen]

italy almost peace dealed ethiopia damn

if i helped them then they would have won

[crude grotto]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381092967741132826/1393869908021874708/laaaaarp.gif

[raw crystal]

I love a good monarchist focus tree.

[eternal aspen]

and annexed 100%

[shrewd inlet]

there's no limit to the larp

[misty fossil]

so few countries get range mios man

[shrewd inlet]

this EXISTS?

[fair horizon]

I guess

They have a half decent navy to start with

[raw crystal]

I might try Monarchist Russia and Papal State Italy eventually. Likely running space marines.

[shrewd inlet]

💀

[eternal aspen]

1936 anchluss

[shrewd inlet]

this is a GOATED design

[fair horizon]

Coastals got buffed

[shrewd inlet]

this shit will sink

[misty fossil]

I literally play hoi4 for navy

[shrewd inlet]

it does not float

[eternal aspen]

wouldn't it be better as a CL not CA?

[fair horizon]

Also coastals can do heavy guns like battleships

[crude grotto]

Be happy you even have a navy folk

[eternal aspen]

just because it'll be a lil cheaper and you can deploy more at one moment

[crude grotto]

Im over here playing guangdong I got nothing

[shrewd inlet]

I am not using this yo

it's going to the china sea to get sunk

[raw crystal]

Is Medium Anti Air Tanks still the way to go for Space Marines?

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-what-gif-25256285

[fair horizon]

Cruiser and destroyer tech and you're ungrateful

[shrewd inlet]

play NE army yo

[eternal aspen]

not me deleting all my type-2 subs bc they are just that useless

[crude grotto]

Fu-fu-fu-fuh naw

[shrewd inlet]

Zhili clique meta

[eternal aspen]

like this is okay for coastal defence, but that's it

[misty fossil]

bro

[shrewd inlet]

yikes

[shrewd inlet]

dont diss the starting china navy

[crude grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flight-surprised-shocked-gif-14940640833910619525

[north merlin]

does anyone know what divide yugoslavia does? it js gave me this weird tab in my decisions menu idk what to do, but i js called my puppet in

[crude grotto]

Whar

[misty fossil]

they only useful contribution will be as test subjects in a nuclear bomb test

[shrewd inlet]

1 million chinamen will form into a new boat

[misty fossil]

or target practice

[shrewd inlet]

man i rmb when they made the dlc i got so mad that china was even weaker

but it's so much funner

[prime marsh]

peak design anyways

[shrewd inlet]

what design

[eternal aspen]

this is what germany starts with

[shrewd inlet]

the starting china navy? it's peak fr

[eternal aspen]

it's that bad ngl

[shrewd inlet]

it's why they lost 🙏

[prime marsh]

you mean chinese version of this I guess

[shrewd inlet]

yes exactly

[prime marsh]

finally the image has arrived

I only play Japan in hoi4

sometimes I try

china buy

but

it's too hard for me I guess

[misty fossil]

ai lol

[shrewd inlet]

it's not that bad

[prime marsh]

it would be traumatic if it was real

[shrewd inlet]

just sit on the yellow river and use shitters for port guards

put all your day 1 mils on guns

[eternal aspen]

nah, they made good ass subs

question about support companies, what are good ones that are like, need

[shrewd inlet]

depends

for what div

[raw crystal]

When I fight the Allies whether I play Monarchist Germany or Fascist Poland on the Axis I lose.

[eternal aspen]

my infantry mainly

tanks i've got a good template

[shrewd inlet]

inf i usually js use support arti anti air and shovels, if you have green air then anti air isnt needed, if you're low on mp / dont wanna waste alot / wanna just run into the enemy use field hospitals, if you're fighting in dookie supply use logis

Matinence are trolls for millitia roach stealing builds

[prime marsh]

what about PRC

[shrewd inlet]

never

[prime marsh]

I'm playing PRC for achievements

[shrewd inlet]

but actually uh

deadass just make millitia to steal jap equipment

[raw crystal]

If I do China I will do the Nationalists or one of the Warlords.

[shrewd inlet]

Nationalists are the funnest

[eternal aspen]

alr

[dusky burrow]

just stick like a 18/0 division on every port tile

[shrewd inlet]

if you do a warlord do like guangdong or like hebei clique

[dusky burrow]

submarines are really dubious now

[shrewd inlet]

legit

also put divs on the sides of the port

[eternal aspen]

i had smth like like 12/4 divs as USA for phillipeans defence

they were really good, i took tokyo with them

[shrewd inlet]

sweet

[eternal aspen]

once my fat ahh marines landed in nagasaki

[shrewd inlet]

coastal defense isn't hard

[eternal aspen]

but that's bc i had the industry

[shrewd inlet]

the goated juntuan will hold shanghai

[eternal aspen]

germany i might use infantry for port defence, and mot inf for warfare when i get to barb

[dusky burrow]

oh

you're china

then yeah maybe you can't just do that

and you do have to use your dockyards somewhere

[shrewd inlet]

?

[dusky burrow]

so submarines might not hurt

[eternal aspen]

subs as china are OP

[shrewd inlet]

i will NEVER build a navy as china

1 zillion civs traded away

[eternal aspen]

set them to engage at low risk and abuse the japanese convoys going to the mainland

[shrewd inlet]

about that

[prime marsh]

I need to play another country

I am tired of playing

Imperial Japan

any other suggestions

[shrewd inlet]

uhh

[crude grotto]

Austria

[shrewd inlet]

italy can be fun

uk, usa, austria is fun

bulgaria

sovs are pretty decent

if you wnana map paint play like brazil or argentina

[crude grotto]

Habsburg Austria

Specifically

[shrewd inlet]

hell no

we doing my boy kurt

[crude grotto]

Yes my little chud

[shrewd inlet]

we are doing kurt

[eternal aspen]

i was ab to ask if doing the griory thing as germany is worth it, though it really always is

[shrewd inlet]

we are making the better german state

[prime marsh]

I'll try austria

[eternal aspen]

hungary will join you from 2nd vienna

[crude grotto]

Jackpot!!!!

[prime marsh]

and maybe finland

later

[shrewd inlet]

save the phoenix insurance 🙏

your army tree is goated

[low dock]

Guys how did ts happen?

[eternal aspen]

until i can get HMG and armour plates and self-sealing tanks

i'm gonna be so fr, this plane might work very well in base sp

[misty fossil]

how about this

make heavy planes 2 with only one 2x light mg, then refit it later on with engine 3, fuel tanks, armour plates and hmg etc once you got them

[eternal aspen]

fair

this is alr p expensive, so yea that works

[misty fossil]

Yeah

[fair horizon]

Just build empty planes and refit later

[misty fossil]

^

[fair horizon]

Build up efficiency and plane count

[dusky burrow]

I mean you can fill as many modules as you need

also if you don't have engine 3s, engine 2s suffice for conversion

[fair horizon]

Do planes follow the same refit rules boats do?

Replacing is more expensive than adding?

[misty fossil]

what

[dusky burrow]

yeah, but upgrading an aircraft engine up one level (e.g. 2e2 -> 2e3) is less costly than full replacement

[misty fossil]

Yeah

[fair horizon]

Empty slots are cheaper to refit than say level 1 gun to level 2

[tribal forum]

Playing as Finland is so peak

[eternal aspen]

i just gotta get the better airframe

which is soon™

[shrewd inlet]

1 zillion chinamen

[dusky burrow]

not even close

that's like 100k

[shrewd inlet]

are you saying the chinamen can't count

they clearly sent in a report for 1 zillion

oh, 1 zillion dead.

[dusky burrow]

are there those that i can't see?

[misty fossil]

Yeah thats correct

[shrewd inlet]

yeah in jinan

[dusky burrow]

also you can't have empty engines

so i'm telling you the next best thing

but you can leave everything else empty

[fair horizon]

Yeah i meant gun slots, 1 gun and engine and thats it

[dusky burrow]

well they have the guns

[fair horizon]

ah

[misty fossil]

Boats are a bit more complicated. On DDs and CLs you want to refit main guns, secondaries, AA, fire control and radar. On CAs and BBs you refit only secondaries, AA, fire control and radar. On CVs you refit just AA and radar. Never touch (existing) armour and engine

[dusky burrow]

i'm pretty sure you can refit main guns on CAs and BBs too, but it's going to be more expensive

[misty fossil]

If a CV doesnt have any armour you can add armour to it

[misty fossil]

True i fixed it

you dont want to touch armour and engine and heavy guns if they already exist

otherwise feel free to add if its empty

[shrewd inlet]

was the japanese ai changed?

They're like way weaker now

[eternal aspen]

do general skills modify the batallion or average div size?

like if i get cav leader on a tank general with mt and mot/mech, will cav leader buff the mot/mech too?

[dusky burrow]

it's proportional based off composition

[upbeat tundra]

these guys got blended by me fort line

[dusky burrow]

so if your division is 50% cavalry you get 50% of the buffs (so 50% * 10% = 5%)

[eternal aspen]

alr, so it would be worth grinding cav leader on my main tank field marshal

if only the spanish would strategically fix unplanned offensives

[trim pike]

Is that centaura????

Antares?

Theres a mod for that now damn

[misty fossil]

?

whats that

[trim pike]

Its a roblox game with lore

V fun

[misty fossil]

oh shit what the heck

[trim pike]

Yea

[misty fossil]

you mean THAT centaura game?

[trim pike]

Yes

Dead ahead is the navy one

[misty fossil]

Why is there a hoi4 mod for a roblox game

yeah i played both of them

thats insane???????

[trim pike]

Because the owner pumps out so much lore theres enough to do so

[trim pike]

I love DA

[misty fossil]

oh my god

wait my bad i never played DA

[trim pike]

:(

[misty fossil]

Is it the game where you man the guns on a ship and fight off enemy planes and stuff?

Or is that something else

[trim pike]

Yeah

[upbeat tundra]

they kept blending themselves against my line

want the mod link?

[misty fossil]

oh yeah ive played that

yeah

[trim pike]

Its so fun

[upbeat tundra]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3559962856

[trim pike]

Did they do anything to navy

[misty fossil]

yeah

[upbeat tundra]

oh yeah baby

mega cetus

1922

antares had 2 divs by war end

crazy stuff

[trim pike]

They should make some dead ahead realism

[upbeat tundra]

its a really long mod

if u like long campaigns

its for u

only start date is 1900

@trim pike yk the ring of fire for aquilla?

well we got the antarean meatgrinder

[trim pike]

Yea

The defense line

Wait is this that mod

Oh im in the mod server

[upbeat tundra]

hearts of forma

[trim pike]

U arent in the mod dc?

[upbeat tundra]

yep

send me an invite pkls

[trim pike]

I just remembered i almost wanted to write to content for aquilla

A year ago

Or more than that

Then i realised i didnt have time

[trim pike]

For the mod

https://discord.gg/kmZCPyu5

[winter fulcrum]

using cavalry only too 🥹

[trim pike]

Mods can post invite links heh

[upbeat tundra]

ty

[eternal aspen]

what are the needs for hochseeflotte?

[crude grotto]

The Uma of doom and despair

[eternal aspen]

wasn't it like 6bb, 6bc, 3cv, 10ca, 20cl, 200dd?

[misty fossil]

All that in like 4 years is wild

100DDs i think

the CAs too like damn.

they’re useless

[trim pike]

Germany navy larp?

[eternal aspen]

nah, js tryna get a big surface fleet for WC

i need it for japan and america for sure

britain not so much

where would that be, decisions?

i'll actually check the code to see the requirements for hochseeflotte

so 10bb, 3bc, 4cv, 20cl, 20ca, 100dd

that's... really easy

[opaque zinc]

Aquila Aquila Aquila

[eternal aspen]

hm.. is there a way to automatically add more subs to my sub fleet and have them follow my template?

[trim pike]

Antares antares antares

[trim pike]

Wdym

U can assign in the production line

[eternal aspen]

i mean automatically

like once group 1 fills, group 2 is made

and so on

[dusky burrow]

cavalry, the second most forgotten child of 1.17

(armored cars are of course first)

[eternal aspen]

what should i do to make this even better? i've got the long-range escort doctrine for medium aircraft

i plan to replace the 2xCNN with heavy cannons ASAP

[dusky burrow]

try to only use 2engine3 and see what you get

[eternal aspen]

too heavy

i can reduce the weight, but then i lose either guns or armour

once i get buna-werk i can go all in on getting the sky filled with y planes

[dusky burrow]

if you have 4x 4hmg + 1 armor plate + 1 self-sealing tank, that might do it

[mystic nest]

BRO WHAT IS MY AI GERMANY DOING

HELLO????

the one agme i decide to use sp ra and they really really make me work for it

nvm they finally did something

[heavy vigil]

hi chat

[plucky peak]

anyone willing to review my sheeps' mod save to see what i'm doing wrong?

i'm so lost i can't push belgium/france

[nocturne cedar]

ngl resistance and compliance NEED a rework.

[eternal aspen]

fair, plus i get a lot of stats for it

plus heavy fighters are flat out better at a 1:1 against regular fighters, but reg fighters have the buff of being so much cheaper

[trim pike]

Task force editor?

[tight crypt]

@jovial ridge OFN mandate of central America

[eternal aspen]

?

this is my 1936 heavy fighter vs a Bf 109 with the same kit (just one less turret)

both are basic airframes, the 110 is flat out better outside of agility, however it's also 40.9 IC so it's roughly double the fighter

[jovial ridge]

what do u ping me for?

[eternal aspen]

so no hochseeflotte for the current time

i've gotta focus on convoy raiding the british to be able to secure the home isles before american involvement

[tight crypt]

Do u play hoi4?

[jovial ridge]

why yes of course why do u ask

[trim pike]

For the ships

U use task force editor right

[scenic flume]

i started as french mobilized on germanys boarder, set up offensive line, attacked and it came up with 'quit game'

[eternal aspen]

Yea ik, but it doesnt automatically expand to the next one, becides ive alr got 100 subs deployed ready to show britain who's boss

Once I get better subs I'll start integrating them

[misty fossil]

yo new portraits?? thats wild

[eternal aspen]

Chrysalis looks so badass

[tulip thorn]

the portraits for equestria, crystal empire and stalliongrad have been like that for a few months now

Chrysalis portrait is for april fools I think

Since she isnt normally green

[misty fossil]

i literally havent touched equus in ages lol

[scenic flume]

they look like my little pony

[misty fossil]

it is

[tulip thorn]

It is

They are

[scenic flume]

ah

[misty fossil]

eaw is an MLP adoption into hoi4

equestria at war*

[tulip thorn]

Green is the normal color for reformed changelings in the show

Which I dont think is a big thing in equestria at war

Since the Changeling lands democratic content is old and terrible

[misty fossil]

BRO NEW MARELAND HAS RANGE FOCUSED

YES

https://tenor.com/view/deploying-the-steamhappy-deploying-steamhappy-discord-steamhappy-gif-5237813002431574869

[nocturne radish]

Guys when does the chinese united front form?

On hist

[whole matrix]

are u gonna attack china?

[nocturne radish]

As prc i want to take some neighboring warlords before its escalating

[misty fossil]

are u vietnamese

[whole matrix]

no im a little pony

[whole matrix]

mid to late 1937

[nocturne radish]

Isnt it certain?

[whole matrix]

basically the marco polo incident

will trigger it

[nocturne radish]

Thx

[eternal aspen]

i just lost my whole sub fleet

because the game jank

i had 100 submarines in this fleet

and as you can see, they're on low risk engagement

[lethal ether]

im pretty sure submarines arent made for fighting

theyre made for hunting convoys

[eternal aspen]

they're on convoy raid

wanna see the funny part of my run?

i let france push into the rhine knowing they can't take it

i capped them, as proven by Vichy France and free France

but yet, they still have france

they eventually fell, and now i can prepare for weserubung

[scarlet pollen]

If: HOI4
Then where is the other 3?

[eternal aspen]

hoi(1) ad hoi2 are older than most people hwo play hoi4

and hoi3 is still relatively popular among groups

how can i reduce relations with denmark?

[heavy vigil]

older than me afaik

[heavy vigil]

take their stuff earlier

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[misty fossil]

asked this in sheep discord but might as well forward it here

[winged field]

cap always

[misty fossil]

thanks

thats all i need to know

[pseudo kestrel]

brother do u use field marshal by any chance

[lethal ether]

isnt that just the allies troops

guys does cohesion actually do anything

i feel like its the most useless part of hte game

[weak magnet]

why does the USSR start with volunteer-only ?

if there is any nation, in the world, that was not volunteer only, it would be the USSR in 1936 xD

they barely had any troops which were not conscripts

not trying to be "correct" but just curious, is it for balancing or something?

[pseudo kestrel]

idk bro

[weak magnet]

u being sarcastic

[pseudo kestrel]

hehe

🤙

[weak magnet]

cuz theres nothing wrong with them being over powered if they genuinely have high population

well idk cuz they do start with 1 mil army

[eternal aspen]

I have one, but he's training skilled staffer

[weak magnet]

Which is crazy

[eternal aspen]

No, no, it was because france reached 100% surrender so Vichy fired

And it fired before the capitulation process was read

It happens often on crap pc's

[pseudo kestrel]

ngl facist belgium has one of the best colors (but belgium is boring)

[eternal aspen]

This is roman belgium

Rexist Belgium is fascist belgium

Burgundy is a medieval empire, so it'd be monarchy

[pseudo kestrel]

well it says facist ideology

[vital cove]

nah

fascist Belgium change names like

4 times

[knotty vortex]

how do taxs work with the East India Company

[eternal aspen]

I can be of fascist ideoligeon and claim to be the next Caesar of the Roman Empire

[misty fossil]

ok another question: hypothetically speaking, among all the buffs you could get in this game, what would be the most powerful buffs?
apparently the new evil diarchy update for eaw involves a pretty complex set of decisions to make, and to take that prod cap focus i have to take different previous exclusive focuses. without going on for too long, is prod cap the be all and end all and is it worth sacrificing every other bonuses?
the devs know prod cap is important so they force you to pick weaker exclusive focuses to balance it out

[stark elbow]

y'all i capitulated both comintern and the allies for the first time in an hist as the roman empire

[ivory hull]

Just take what you think will do your playstyle best

[knotty vortex]

anybody able to help me with this, slightly confused by this menu

[misty fossil]

well to simplify that question, is there a buff more important than production cap? how would you approach that as a metaslave

[knotty vortex]

does paying dividends just like, mean i lose those civs forever?

what is the 'investment' i get in return for it?

and how do i determine how many 'taxable' factories i have

i know it says 3, but how do i increase/decrease that

[misty fossil]

i dont own goe so i cant help you with that

@knotty vortex crosspost in #ask-for-help-here as well just in case

[hushed loom]

yo chat anyone done faster china than this

am rlly proud of ts

[misty fossil]

if ur proud of it dont compare yourself to others

[knotty vortex]

will do thank you

businesses are so confusing lmao

[misty fossil]

also yeah in my last japan game i think i defeated china roughly in oct 37, and that was after i had to delay capping them to finish 2 collabs

[knotty vortex]

if it helps ive never beaten china as japan

lol

[misty fossil]

in my first germany run i could not punch past belgium

[knotty vortex]

i got beaten by poland

lol

in my first ever game

[misty fossil]

thats fair enough

i think my 1st ger run was like my 4-5th game ever

the first few saves were actually multiple attempts at italy

i guess you can figure out why i switched to germany

[tiny iris]

Guys, look at these defences.

[knotty vortex]

because of the maginot line im assuming

wait 1917???

[tiny iris]

It's the WW1 mod.

[knotty vortex]

ww1 mod

damn cool

[tiny iris]

I have been obsessed with playing France in this mod for a couple of days now.

[misty fossil]

i literally cannot believe how COOL this forcefield effect is

this is literal proof that anyone who says eaw is bad is fundamentally and irrevocably wrong

[misty fossil]

GWR?

[tiny iris]

No, Old World Blues.

Obviously GWR.

[misty fossil]

oh right its owb

mb

[late valley]

no manchukuo?

[misty fossil]

you know about that massive scandal about the lead gwr dev right

[hushed loom]

what

[lilac ginkgo]

What

What did he do

[tiny iris]

The art from the artist, my friend.

[quasi osprey]

is this an ok div just idk how to make a good one?🤔

[misty fossil]

i dont really want to talk about it here but there are a couple videos on youtube that cover it

[snow rain]

Bro...

[lilac ginkgo]

Is he associated to a certain rich guy with some island

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-seen-enough-goodnight-good-night-good-night-chat-chat-gif-8388805182750736134

[lilac ginkgo]

Maybe explain it to me in dms if you wanna

[quasi osprey]

I ussually use infantry idk how to make a good tank div

[tiny iris]

Link.

[snow rain]

Check the pins in #ask-for-help-here and look for segl stats explained video

[misty fossil]

dms both of you

[pallid stone]

What

WHATS HAPPENING

[lilac ginkgo]

What

[misty fossil]

just an old drama

[pallid stone]

What drama

Whose dying

Whats happening

Theres a controversy

Thats bad right

[tiny iris]

Yeah, the lead dev of GWR is a bad guy.

So I heard.

[misty fossil]

yeah exactly

[pallid stone]

Guys he didnt know

Right solodude

I think

Im his lawyer

[tiny iris]

I don't care, it's not like I give the guy money by playing the mod.

[pallid stone]

Attorney

Whats the lead dev of gwr

[tiny iris]

I am sure he'll be replaced sooner or later.

[tiny iris]

The lead developer of an HOI4 mod.

[pallid stone]

Whats a hoi4 mod?

[late valley]

Gwr is great war?

[pallid stone]

Is it like a minecraft mod?

[tiny iris]

...

[pallid stone]

Whats up with your bio

[late valley]

?

[lilac ginkgo]

the more subscriptions the mod has the more hes known

[late valley]

numbers

[pallid stone]

Why so many

[late valley]

the more known he is the more known of wtv bad he did

[tiny iris]

How about the other guys who worked on the mod? Imagine spending years working on a mod only for it to get cancelled because one guy did some bad stuff.

[late valley]

Autism

[pallid stone]

What does that have to do with numbers

[tiny iris]

She doesn't understand us, she is not autistic enough.

[pallid stone]

Im not even autistic

[late valley]

Yes ik bro

[misty fossil]

its not just because hes a bad guy, but his decisions are actively ruining the quality of the mod by enforcing his own priority of historicity on every single dev team for the mod, which makes it extremely cumbersome to play and making a couple devs leaving entirely

[late valley]

exactly.

[misty fossil]

his behaviour is genuinely disgusting

[pallid stone]

Tjats not bad right

[late valley]

have u ever played hoi 4

[tiny iris]

I'll watch some videos on it. I'm not informed enough to talk about this.

[pallid stone]

Do yoy do art?

Me too

[misty fossil]

nice

show art?

[pallid stone]

Nope

[misty fossil]

in off topic

[pallid stone]

Eyup

Wait what

Me show my art?

But its on my tablet

[tiny iris]

No, she is just my sister. I invited her here because I wanted to.

[late valley]

ohh

[misty fossil]

yeah thats fair. just know his behaviour is genuinely nasty

give the vids i sent you a watch and decide for yourself

[misty fossil]

yeah

i sent some of my art in off topic so just look it up

[pallid stone]

But i cant cause its on my tablet

[misty fossil]

up to you then

[pallid stone]

And my art styles not that super sophisticated

Its kinda monster high coded and stuff 🥹

[misty fossil]

can say the same for me at a point

[pallid stone]

Anatomy OUT the aindow

[late valley]

can u send it to me too

[pallid stone]

Theres nothong

[misty fossil]

??

[pallid stone]

No art

Its okay dont worry about it

@tiny iris are yoy watching rhe vids

Soooolooooooodude

[tiny iris]

Yes.

[prisma saddle]

ah eya

yea ofc

[rain loom]

I feel like I’m getting better than a noob at the game after 2000 hours so any nations anyone would recommend?

[late valley]

im crine the gwr lead dev is app trans but says allahu akbar and slurs lmao

[rain loom]

What

[late valley]

great war redux lead dev

says slurs

and other stuff

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[misty fossil]

10 hour player vs 10000 hour player

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-yeah-right-ishowspeed-yeah-ishowspeed-right-ishowspeed-stream-gif-2870397197282141259

[quasi osprey]

[modern torrent]

how it be fighting in central africa/south america

[quasi osprey]

soviets stand no chance against finland

[modern torrent]

defend until 1941 so germany gets an easy win

and you can get a peace deal

[misty fossil]

real

[modern torrent]

and annex all of greater finnish territory

[quasi osprey]

ha who said anything about defending

[modern torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254891224515481741/1485875305573912697/deepfry.gif

[thick vector]

[quasi osprey]

so many soviet troops on my border

[snow rain]

Bro ... the attrition ..

Build trains and motorize your supply lines or you won't get far

[snow rain]

Bombed railways ?
And motorize your supply lines

[sonic jewel]

Man just tell ur troops to lock in

Fast for 24 hours to get that grace period

[cedar lance]

hello

[late valley]

U should get karelia then hold back in the choke points

[snow rain]

Pp checks out

[late valley]

oh advance into moscow u prob can do it lol

[quasi osprey]

the soviets cant even put up a fight in the air

[thick vector]

[prisma saddle]

yo guys tehre is any way to go communisy as etiopia without politcal advisors and having followed the non alligned path?

[thick vector]

Using focus tree?

[prisma saddle]

i followe the non aligned one

[thick vector]

You must use a political advisor or focus tree to become a communist.

[prisma saddle]

there are not either

[quasi osprey]

uhh about that I am pretty sure the soviets dont have enough divs to defend moscow

[thick vector]

Just change the country that can become communist and your problem will be solved

[quasi osprey]

I just tried this as a meme tactic but.......

[prisma saddle]

what?

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-fortnite-ishowspeed-cheeks-ishowspeed-blow-gif-8384090200881199846

[late valley]

tf

[prisma saddle]

talk normally😭🙏

[late valley]

JUST CAP THEM ALRD

[late valley]

oh.

[thick vector]

I've been talking normally, maybe your brain isn't normal

[prisma saddle]

🥶🥶🥶

[quasi osprey]

the soviets are so annoying to cap

[prisma saddle]

aura

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-kevin-hart-cat-kevin-hart-gif-9815353059216625636

[quasi osprey]

the two fronts finally met

🎉

[lilac ginkgo]

Why

[quasi osprey]

wdym

[lilac ginkgo]

Why paradrop theee

[quasi osprey]

why not

[lilac ginkgo]

Why yes

Its a waste of time

[quasi osprey]

because the main front is not advancing that fast

I need to expand it as much as possible

[late valley]

fr i always play them icl

[lilac ginkgo]

So ur getting 2 units killed in there

In the middle of siberia

[late valley]

Ahh my laptops fried i havent played hoi 4 since sep last year

[quasi osprey]

no

[lilac ginkgo]

They will die

[quasi osprey]

why

[lilac ginkgo]

And then the soviets launch one offensive

One and ur give

Gone

[quasi osprey]

but I am sending reinforcements

[late valley]

what ur man power

[vital cove]

it has a port

they have supply

[prisma saddle]

and ethiopian dream

[quasi osprey]

I turned that little paradrop into an incerclement

[misty fossil]

i love hoi4

[quasi osprey]

[quasi osprey]

its good but casualties are quite high💀

[quasi osprey]

although soviets are still way higher

[vital cove]

1:3 ratio is not a good ratio for Finland...

you're supposed to have 1:10 ratio

[quasi osprey]

yeah most casualties were at the start when I batleplanned everything now I a bit more cautious

[quasi osprey]

true but thankfully for a nordic country I have quite a bit of manpower left\

[quasi osprey]

I am still on limited conscription btw

[vital cove]

start going up

[quasi osprey]

why

[vital cove]

because it takes time to mobilize

and bigger army = better

extensive doesn't give any real debuffs

[quasi osprey]

I have enough men rn to defeat soviets after I will improve the army

not much but soviets dont have that much left as well

[misty fossil]

the USR politburo portrait goes so hard for some reason

[late valley]

that aint bad*

[quasi osprey]

wdym

[vital cove]

that is a lot

its the Soviets

[quasi osprey]

a lot what

[vital cove]

left

to cap them

[quasi osprey]

yeah

[vital cove]

no collabs

modcheck

[quasi osprey]

germany dont embarass yourself💀

[late valley]

meant to say isnt bad

[quasi osprey]

oh ok

[misty fossil]

why does hoi4 keep track of how much rain and show a region has??????

[quasi osprey]

encirclement

[daring geyser]

feelin cute might delete later

[lament crypt]

Guys, I just need to confirm if my memory is right, can Armenia gain a core or claim over Trabzon in vanilla HOI4? I swear I remember once I believe Greece did a focus to partition Turkey, Armenia gained such.

[proven minnow]

Hi

[misty fossil]

nice

[proven minnow]

Thanks

[quasi osprey]

close to caping soviets

[woeful knoll]

Holy frontlines

just use a field marshal bro

[quasi osprey]

sometimes they are a bit annoying to use

for me

[woeful knoll]

Dont overlap frontlines tho

If a battle happens then it will only auto reinforce from the same frontline

If you have 50 army frontlines and a battle happens at the end then maybe the only reinforceable units will have to walk across the map

[lilac ginkgo]

Probably

[cedar lance]

hello