hoi4-general

[sudden thistle]

Only good div

[daring geyser]

artillery sux

mechanized is not good for pushing

[fathom shard]

wait how do you disable equipment

[daring geyser]

only for defense

[supple halo]

I LOVE ARTILLERY!

How dare you?

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[winged field]

Im actually impressed that you have that much org

[stark elbow]

why is it so edgy

[daring geyser]

then just convert the 50ws back to 2ws after you deploy the sfs so that they dont eat up your manpower

[fathom shard]

i literally forgot about this feature

[winged field]

wdym the flag is fire

[fathom shard]

i've never used this exploit so i'm going to try it out

[stark elbow]

ofc it is

[fathom shard]

and also, are rangers worth to use?

[lunar oak]

can someone tell me why my gwr is like that?

[thick vector]

If that's what you have, then what if you don't have it?

[stark elbow]

unloaded mod

[daring geyser]

idk i quit the game in 1.17 because it made mp borderline unplayable when it came out lol

but i think they're brokenn??? very possibly not idk anything about ncns

[lunar oak]

what does that mean

[stark elbow]

missing files or you opening a game that requires a mod to be opened

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/socrates-throwing-yams-socrates-throwing-yams-socrates-shaking-gif-17399617860810432723

[fathom shard]

what's that first support company

i keep seeing it yet i haven't figured out what it is

[daring geyser]

@fathom shard also if you want to get giga stats with the SFs you need to go gbp max out planning bonus. they're good because they max out positive modifiers resulting in cracked stats

[daring geyser]

pioneers, need marine doctrine

needless to say you also need maxxed out sfs doctrine

[supple halo]

Name something more satisfying than all green battle icons.

[daring geyser]

for mountaineers and marines

[fathom shard]

yeah so this whole setup is basically bound to late game

[daring geyser]

nah

[rugged niche]

isnt this ironical

[daring geyser]

you can max it out by 1939

If you play your cards

some support companies youll only get a bit later tho

but 1941 at most

[fathom shard]

yeah it also means locking you out of tanks/spg, which isn't so ideal in sp

[thick vector]

If the green icon satisfies you, then what are you without it?

[daring geyser]

you can do both tho?

[fathom shard]

it'll be expensive tho

and unneeded

[daring geyser]

sfs are straight up better than tanks because of ic efficiency

air > tanks

if you have giga air and good stats with sfs you are unstoppable

you legit can't win the game if you have red air (in multiplayer)

tho in sp you can win in virtually anyway

tho sfs + air is essentially the proven most effective way to play hoi4

tanks are technically better but only if you have an industry significantly bigger than that of your opponents

[fathom shard]

tbh that's a bit overpowered

just with the fact you can also bypass the sfs cap

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-petting-rubbing-ears-gif-27156856

creature

[stark elbow]

green attack icons

[daring geyser]

yeah but the thing is in mp every build is minmaxxed

[static creek]

So I played Italy and befriended Greece to join my faction if I give them the Island of dodecanese, they joined my faction only to leave 5 seconds later, they bloody scammed me and took my island!

[stark elbow]

invade

[daring geyser]

as a note, germany gets so op when properly minmaxxed they can get up to twice us eco in 1942~ and already has more eco than them in late 39

[static creek]

I attempted to turn them into a facist state which made Bulgaria to invade them prior, making Greece later joined the axis and get Germany, and France in a war

Because I did the Italy first focus

[daring geyser]

so sfs exploit is allowed in multiplayer because otherwise the axis would be too overpowered

[stark elbow]

ah

[static creek]

Every time I play Italy its always a fail

[sudden thistle]

I need my freedom update

[stark elbow]

it turns out i have 430 civillian factories

[sudden thistle]

7000 factories by 44

[daring geyser]

need the update that makes the usa accurate to real life and makes them have more eco than the entire axis

[sudden thistle]

Yes

I need it

[heavy vigil]

i want them to be unplayably bad

[thick vector]

Do you want a fox because it will bring happiness to the fox, or because its presence adds uniqueness to your self-image?

[sudden thistle]

I must give democracy to the world

[sudden thistle]

🦅 🦅 🇱🇷 🇱🇷 🔥 🔥

[daring geyser]

https://youtu.be/YjiT1ppXXq4

[daring geyser]

liberia flag goes so hard

[thick vector]

Is this the flag of the United States or Liberia?😹

[sudden thistle]

The US

Duh

[sudden thistle]

It’s the US wdym

[heavy vigil]

🇲🇾

[sudden thistle]

🙄

[sudden thistle]

That’s Liberia

[thick vector]

That's the Malaysian flag

https://tenor.com/view/crine-im-crine-son-im-crine-anthony-mackie-tiktok-gif-10273212848663596705

[crude grotto]

sonion

[sudden thistle]

Nah

[daring geyser]

🇨🇱

[sudden thistle]

That’s crazy

That’s Mexico

[daring geyser]

did you know they have a flag for texas in discord?

[subtle wharf]

Italy sucking is probably the most realistic thing in this game lol

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-fortnite-ishowspeed-cheeks-ishowspeed-blow-gif-8384090200881199846

[static creek]

I can play as Byzantine on r56 and able to invade all of Europe and Russia with ease

[subtle wharf]

Yep whenever I play as Germany I distance myself as far as possible

[static creek]

But default hoi4 ironman just makes every faction difficult to play

[daring geyser]

hoi4 is easy as hell what are you talking about

[heavy vigil]

🇲🇸 🇻🇬 🇦🇮 🇰🇾 🇫🇰 🇵🇳 🇬🇸 🇸🇭 🇹🇨 🇦🇨 🇹🇦 which one is your fav flag

[thick vector]

Don't believe what he says, he's lying

[daring geyser]

🇦🇶

[subtle wharf]

??

[split bane]

Out of all of these?

[subtle wharf]

HOI4 is probably the most un beginner friendly game I’ve ever played

[split bane]

🇫🇰

[thick vector]

Don't believe it

[split bane]

Because it has a sheep on it

[subtle wharf]

The tutorial sucks. It took me 15-20 hours to gain a clue about what I was even doing

[jade parcel]

Hello CEO of Paradox

[jade parcel]

Hi

[daring geyser]

then you havent played actually beginner unfriendly games

hoi4 is just a cake recipe

[subtle wharf]

Correct. I’m not a gamer

[thick vector]

This game is so difficult that we have to play this game for hours, compared to other games that don't have that many hours.

[subtle wharf]

But hoi4 is not beginner friendly

[daring geyser]

if you learn it correctly you will beat the ai everytime

everyone would learn the game in 5 hours if most tutorials werent full of misinformation and overly complicated

[fathom shard]

???????

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-this-whoisthistiktok-who-whoisthis-gif-14272143391904548629

[daring geyser]

the basics

how to beat the ai etc

[crude grotto]

indeed

[subtle wharf]

That’s what I’m saying. The ingame tutorial is trash and a lot of the YT tutorials people go way too fast

[crude grotto]

the best way to learn is to play germany on beginner

[winged field]

When the guide mentions line artillery you know its cooked

[fathom shard]

i promise to you no one on earth would be able to win the game with just 5 hours and 0 grand strategy game knowledge

[crude grotto]

the first thing you should learn is industry and making divisions/giving them instructions

[thick vector]

Adios amigos guys

[daring geyser]

on my first germany run ever (that was many many years ago) i beat the ai after watching a few tutorials

it's ridiculously easy i had done it without even modifying templates

[daring geyser]

a lot of the tutorials are outdated and even new ones a lot of times just recommend straight up bad things

[crude grotto]

any easy way to learn how the ai works and how your own troops work is just to inf spam for a while

[sudden thistle]

Make a tutorial

[fathom shard]

yeah many many many years aggo

[heavy vigil]

tac guide when

[sudden thistle]

🔥

[daring geyser]

oh when i was a beginner i used to watch tutorials with so much shite in them

[crude grotto]

until you get the hang of it

[fathom shard]

the game isn't as easy as it was in 2016

[daring geyser]

i dont have time for that anymore

[winged field]

Pretty much.

[daring geyser]

the game has gotten easier as it updated as a player from 2018

[fathom shard]

slow or ragebait?

[winged field]

I'm still getting like recommend guides from before 17.0

[daring geyser]

bba and nsb made it possible to make planes far superior than the ai and just destroy them unconditionally

[heavy vigil]

more buttons to learn but easier if you click buttons remotely correctly

[crude grotto]

what i rember from what andrew said yesterday is that his troops were stagnating in poland

[fathom shard]

beginners don't even know what planes are

and you said you quit mp because of the 1.17 update

so that's probably contradictory

[crude grotto]

you lwk dont even need planes as a major

[daring geyser]

they can get the hang of the basics of the air system in 20 minutes

[crude grotto]

on regular at least

[daring geyser]

also the ai is beatable even without planes lol thats how cooked the game is

[fathom shard]

you think like someone with 1k hours

most players take hours to figure out the basic ui

[daring geyser]

yeah but not because i can learn the update but because it made the game balance objectively much worse

[crude grotto]

yes but plane ui is simple

[fathom shard]

yeah for someone with 1k hours

[crude grotto]

not really

[stark elbow]

what does the % means?

[heavy vigil]

nah i get it

theres a lot more menus, buttons

[winged field]

Like hp but for navy

[heavy vigil]

some are easier

some are harder

[daring geyser]

it was never that complicated, i remember at the time i literally just watched one guide and that was sufficient to win ww2 which is the game's central conflict

[heavy vigil]

for a new player

[lilac ginkgo]

am i winning this one

[stark elbow]

hp remaining or hp destroyed?

[crude grotto]

you got that

[lilac ginkgo]

im the tiny green speck in hungary

[heavy vigil]

but its overall much easier to win because ai does so much wrong, just new players are prone to similar mistakes

[winged field]

Remaining

[heavy vigil]

and thats alright

[stark elbow]

ah

[fathom shard]

hoi4 over the years just added more and more UI micromanagement slop

[daring geyser]

it is easier to win today than before i do agree

[fathom shard]

what's the point of adding in coal

[lilac ginkgo]

we love sending people to the mines

[daring geyser]

back in the day you basically couldnt even control your supply lol

[lilac ginkgo]

they needed to add realism

[fathom shard]

operation sea lion is way harder today for beginners

[daring geyser]

and tanks were so much weaker ad well as sfs

[fathom shard]

with ncns dlc

[heavy vigil]

no

[crude grotto]

i started playing in august last year it took me like 10 hours to understand how to use the ui

[heavy vigil]

lol

[daring geyser]

no it's still really easy

[heavy vigil]

but theres other things that are

sealion is not thebig issue

[fathom shard]

because you're a beginner

[heavy vigil]

you just have to read more bs modifiers, read more into stats when designing

[fathom shard]

right

[heavy vigil]

is the issue

sealion isnt hard if you do that

[daring geyser]

the ai still doesn't defend britain lol

[heavy vigil]

its why i recommend finland as a beginner nation

[fathom shard]

literally 90% of the people seeking help here are beginners that can't do sealion

[heavy vigil]

makes you read a lot of the yap stats

[fathom shard]

i meant landing in not actually invading uk

[lilac ginkgo]

sometimes it does

[fathom shard]

invading uk is just the same maybe a bit harder but still very easy

[daring geyser]

that was the same years ago

people just don't even know how naval works

[crude grotto]

sea lion is easy lwk

[rugged niche]

Sad.

[daring geyser]

but the ai still has the same issue of not correctly putting their navy in places and sending all of their navy to irrelevant zones

[fathom shard]

yeah now think about the beginner with 10 houurs

[crude grotto]

just make a massive marine div

[lilac ginkgo]

am i cooking now

[daring geyser]

i remember my first sealion was made with a strike force composed of SEVEN SUBMARINES

[crude grotto]

i know

[heavy vigil]

look chat, i might not be great at the video game, but theres been efforts to help new players here, so its easier to find sourcea

[fathom shard]

uk still randomly moves their whole fleet away of the english channel randomly

[heavy vigil]

but theres still a lot of stats, a lot of things to read

thats initially not something you understand

[daring geyser]

👆 hence it's easy as hell

[heavy vigil]

and hoi4 has been progressively more hostile to new players

not hard, but hard to new players

[fathom shard]

^

[daring geyser]

all that you need for a successful sea lion is to have italy hold africa

[lilac ginkgo]

hot take:if you re a beginner dont try to land in the uk..maybe learn the game first THEN learn how to do sealion

[charred lake]

I think, to get to ghe base of the game, really get in thr dirt, I recommend Ethopia. Its a powerful nation, and this random European wants to conquer ur country, but u succeeded once, and can do jt again

[daring geyser]

👆

[heavy vigil]

too hard

too many fails

[crude grotto]

they had to make way to britain up hill both ways

[fathom shard]

hard and no reward

[daring geyser]

when i first picked up hoi4 i was actually disappointed because i expected ww2 to be a challenge and i just beat it too fast

[sudden thistle]

I learned the game with France in the 1939 scenario

[heavy vigil]

also as finland you can dip out of the first war

politely surrender

[lilac ginkgo]

do you guys want to know how i learned the game

[daring geyser]

it's still the same complaint, the game is not challenging after you learn the very core fundamentals of it, because the ai doesn't know how to play

[lilac ginkgo]

i got a mod that gives my divisions +3000% on all stats so i used that for like 100 hours in all playthroughs until i learnt how the game works

[crude grotto]

i lwk leanred by learning that econmic growth germany is wayyyyyyy better

and to just use infantry

[fathom shard]

100 factories in 1940

wayy better

[daring geyser]

mefo bills germany is better if you're going to do a specific collab min maxxing build but it's better for new players

[charred lake]

Ur right, instead, the beginner HOI4 player should learn to play...Black Ice. Really easy stuff, I haven't gotten the time to open it yet, but It really adds the realism. play Black Ice Ethopia. Trust the process.

[daring geyser]

if you get less than 200 factories as any side of german eco by 1940 then you cant play germany for shite

[crude grotto]

min maxxing is for nerds

[lethal ether]

im under the firm impression that germany is the easiest beginner country. you good stats and advisors, and youre pretty much the main character. invading poland, the benelux and france is extremely easy and can be done by anyone, and you can learn and try out new stuff and see what works. you dont have to do operation sea lion until youre comfortable with navy stuff

[charred lake]

Black Ice Poland

[fathom shard]

this whole game is for nerds

[keen pebble]

does anyone have any suggestions for infantry divisions? im not sure what i should do

[crude grotto]

real players just throw everything they have at the problem without making sure you things are perfect for the situation

[daring geyser]

germany overall has insane economic potential on both eco sides if they do their collabs right

you can get up to 700 factories without taking the soviets nor the uk

[lethal ether]

germany is the best beginner country in my opinion bcuz you get lots of war and it isnt hard

[fathom shard]

what about the literal rest of europe

[daring geyser]

you can also achieve autarky without capping the allies nor sovs if you do your collabs right

[lilac ginkgo]

its way harder to do so

and it takes longer

[daring geyser]

yeah duh that's how you get 700 factories as germany, you do your collab governments right

[daring geyser]

you can get it by 43 if you do the build right

[lilac ginkgo]

i thought he said its easy to take over europe as any other country

my bad

[crude grotto]

just cap britain and puppet everything

[lilac ginkgo]

you can take over europe by 1941

[crude grotto]

then win

[lilac ginkgo]

why 1943

[daring geyser]

i mean the 700 factories mark

without capping uk or sovs

[lilac ginkgo]

well sure

[heavy vigil]

im bored

[lilac ginkgo]

you can still win with far less factories

[fathom shard]

i'm not sure about autarky achieved without capping uk/sov tho

[daring geyser]

yeah i just said germany is so insane you can get an uber eco without even beating the allies

[daring geyser]

it is possible

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[fathom shard]

possible doesn't mean reliable

[daring geyser]

you need sweden and romania for it

[fathom shard]

yeah if you're in a singleplayer game just go after uk

[daring geyser]

it's very consistent

[daring geyser]

yeah i'm just exemplifying how strong germany is

it takes another kind of person to suck at germany

paradox has a pretty heavy german bias

they're the strongest sp hist nation and also the strongest mp hist nation

[lilac ginkgo]

so you re calling the entire paradox team nazi lapdogs whats wrong with you

you were raised wrong

[fathom shard]

they're quite the main character of ww2

it would make sense for them to be the most overpowered

[daring geyser]

nah

[heavy vigil]

what

[lilac ginkgo]

he said paradox likes germany

[heavy vigil]

theyre not, they just made germany really OP

[lilac ginkgo]

wtf

[heavy vigil]

yeah for game balance theyre ridiculous

[lethal ether]

theyre the strongest starting.. there are other nations which scale better

[heavy vigil]

its not even balanced

just on the scope of nations

[strong wagon]

ive never played someone tell me how to play i just downloaded

[daring geyser]

there are no nations which scale better than a minmaxxed germany assuming everyone is going historical

and assuming you play until 44/43

[lethal ether]

unpopular opinion but they should have just made the soviets get really insane debuffs which fade off as the war goes on.. something like unprepared army or unexpected attack

france doesnt need to be debuffed since its france

[heavy vigil]

that doesnt help that germany is busted

anyway i play vic

good game

[lethal ether]

they shouldve made germany worse and did what i said

[daring geyser]

the soviets get destroyed 100 times out of 100 in multiplayer semicomp hist games

[fathom shard]

what if germany ai used meta sfs and air

wait that's a good idea

100 beginners vs meta germany

[daring geyser]

if you made germany weaker and applied sovs heavy debuffs it wouldnt change anything

[heavy vigil]

youd get rolled

[heavy vigil]

beginners lose

[daring geyser]

if you make them too weak the allies beat them everytime

[lethal ether]

irl the soviets had way better industry, it should have been that way in this game too. but then germany would have no chance, so the soviets should have gotten insane debuffs that slowly get better as the war goes on

[fathom shard]

no trust sociobluds always win

[heavy vigil]

as long as germany gets anschluss lol

[fathom shard]

what if they get the whole world cored except austria?

[daring geyser]

if we take the game industrially speaking the us economy should be equal to the axis economy when you compare GDPs

but the game isnt like that

i do agree germany should be weaker but sovs shouldnt get debuffed

sovs just straight up need to get buffed

[heavy vigil]

its about bohme

general

not about the cores

[daring geyser]

sheep's mod is a mod where the ai does indeed use mp meta strats

you can see that for yourself

[heavy vigil]

meh

[fathom shard]

soo germany could get the whole world cored but bohme and lose?

[heavy vigil]

well he just makes sure you have 10 attack points

youd still be ok, but cores arent that good and its like, how germany gets a lot more stats

consistently and reliably in full vanilla

no pregrind

you still have alternatives

but theyre not as consistent

[fathom shard]

is ai even good at managing production

[daring geyser]

nooe

nope

the ai genuinely isnt good at anything in this game

i say this as someone who has already modded and dissected the ai

[lethal ether]

ts what i was about to say

[heavy vigil]

they can uhhh

they can

uuuhhh

they can win with really big advantages

[daring geyser]

they can win if you give them +100% attack

and that's a maybe

[heavy vigil]

and production

and designs

and manpower

but yes

[cursive oxide]

um

72 ?

[heavy vigil]

garrison order does that

its 90 if you put the third guy on garrison order

[terse skiff]

even +4 italy's navy will still get destroyed by uk's navy

[keen pebble]

how do i get rid of the red factory?

also i took over spain how do i get the man power?

[fathom shard]

you're a maniac

bourbon france bro are we serious

[keen pebble]

i tried to do franco spain

i sorta screwed up

[barren coyote]

Must've just gotten the DLC

[fathom shard]

is anti tank even worth it in singleplayer

[thick vector]

How to deal with consumer goods?

[pulsar saffron]

very proud of myself here, especially venezuela with their 45 divs guarding every tile

i just wish argentina would join my faction

what to do now...

maybe reclaim portugal

[sudden thistle]

No

[pulsar saffron]

maybe kick allies out and turtle

[thick vector]

If power is your strength, then what are you without it?

[pulsar saffron]

a person who thinks all the time

has nothing to think about except thoughts

[fathom shard]

what do i use instead of anti tank in sfs then

[quasi osprey]

How much planes is enough for yugoslavia 1942?

In the axis

[thick vector]

The United States has fallen

[pulsar saffron]

how can i tell which one of these planes is naval bomber

i want to start making naval bombers

[quasi osprey]

Just never really played as yugoslavia before so idk how much planes I should make

[thick vector]

If it doesn't say Naval bomber, it means there isn't one.

[pulsar saffron]

none of them say fighter or cas or anything

i licensed one in a different one because i thought it was a fighter but it turned out to be tac bomber

[thick vector]

You'd better just check the planes in research.

[serene breach]

guys my friend said its good mod...

[thick vector]

Seriously, there are femboys in the Hoi4 game? This is so f###### my life

[solar vessel]

is there anything new for april fools?

[serene breach]

naw

my friend just said "bro download this mod its good trust me"

[quasi osprey]

Is 8k fighters enough though idk🤔

[thick vector]

He lied to you, you got an April fool's joke.

[serene breach]

its not april fool joke

if i liked it

xDD

[thick vector]

Oh my goodness

[serene breach]

joke .

[thick vector]

If fighter planes are your strength, then what are you without them?

[quasi osprey]

Oh my just noticed I have more factories than usa💀

[quasi osprey]

Yugoslavia

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-fortnite-fortnite-ishowspeed-cheeks-ishowspeed-blow-gif-8384090200881199846

[maiden bolt]

since u wanna invade the united states without my permission theres gonna be some serious conséquence

[mild musk]

SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIXXXXXX SEVEENEN

[maiden bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[thick vector]

Who is this?🥀

[mild musk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dumb-low-iq-cruscker-PDFRAZSjeToOsM3dq3

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

[quasi osprey]

[thick vector]

[amber matrix]

tuff

[quasi osprey]

I never thought yugo could be so nice

[heavy vigil]

its so bad

[quasi osprey]

Wdym

[thick vector]

[maiden bolt]

i accidentally nuked finland

[thick vector]

If it's bad, will it always be bad?

[quasi osprey]

220 factories, 8000 planes and a colonial empire by 1942

[amber matrix]

Who are y playing

[quasi osprey]

Yugoslavia

[thick vector]

https://tenor.com/view/yugoslavia-history-breakupofyugoslavia-gif-13077309

[sharp sierra]

we will steal the moon

[uncut pollen]

[maiden bolt]

whos we

theres no we

[sharp sierra]

not you

[stark elbow]

my heart

[thick vector]

How to deal with consumer goods?

[maiden bolt]

why am i pinned😂 ✌️

[uncut pollen]

Yeah

Rule 2

[thick vector]

[grave sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/rbih-bih-bosna-hercegovina-bosnia-gif-5573494775154443237

[maiden bolt]

lets all bomb north korea

[grave sonnet]

True...

[quasi osprey]

Depends on ur country

[thick vector]

Is that the right answer or a lazy answer?

[quasi osprey]

🤷‍♂️

[clear dagger]

make it really really high

it gives bonuses trust

[cosmic vault]

Oh okay

[quasi osprey]

Yeah always be on civ economy

[thick vector]

Omg

[terse skiff]

weak, i'm in isolation economy law

[frosty juniper]

why are the quotes on the loading screen out of wack

[quasi osprey]

Well done

[lilac ginkgo]

they arent

they are true

[fair horizon]

Supersonics my beloved ❤️

Who needs a plane mio anyways

[frosty juniper]

bro some dude after the polish defeat did not say "do or do not there is no try"

[lilac ginkgo]

he did

[cosmic vault]

It’s so funny lmao

[lilac ginkgo]

his name was roman dmwoski

and he clearly said it

[terse skiff]

but giraffes indeed are heartless creatures

[pulsar saffron]

does anyone have any idea how these modifiers work

what is faction power projection

[lilac ginkgo]

improve relations and they ll accept

[pulsar saffron]

theyre at 80

[lilac ginkgo]

power projection is basically your factions total power points they can spend

for stuff

[pulsar saffron]

i can put diplo pressure on them for a +20 modifier

[fair horizon]

I just wish they didnt take a century to research

[pulsar saffron]

thats 10 left to make up

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah that works

[pulsar saffron]

but the total is -30

[cosmic vault]

Ikr😔

[pulsar saffron]

so it wont get over the top

[lilac ginkgo]

it helps

are u at war

[thick vector]

Improve relations, and don't invite the country if it already has another faction

[fair horizon]

The devs should make all special project researches take way less time ngl

[terse skiff]

there are mods for that

[fair horizon]

MODS ARE LAME

[pulsar saffron]

no

when i was at war the -30 peace modifer was replaced with -50

[pulsar saffron]

improved to 100 from 80, the modifer went up by 2

[quasi osprey]

Why didn't they add the option to keep cored land when returning territory 😭

[lilac ginkgo]

they did

its a thing

you need to check a box off

[quasi osprey]

Wdym

[quasi osprey]

No I think it's only when you release land

[lilac ginkgo]

when you release an occupied territory theres 3 options:one to make it a puppet,one to play as it and one to keep core territories

[pulsar saffron]

the opinion modifier seems to be the opinion divided by 10, so maxes at +10

[lilac ginkgo]

why would you return territory then

if you knew its your core

[fair horizon]

Doesnt prompt you i think

[quasi osprey]

No I mean when a country exists and u want to return some land to it

[lilac ginkgo]

yeah why do that

like gang

[thick vector]

[quasi osprey]

Because u don't want to deal with resistance

[lilac ginkgo]

so you just didnt know it was a core

[quasi osprey]

For example chechoslovakia was my puppet but It didnt own sudetenland so I wanted to return it to them but that means I have to also give away my core province carpathia

[lilac ginkgo]

i know

but maybe think it through

you cant return territories to a puppet so you were just willingly giving stuff away for free..resistance cant be that bad bro

[thick vector]

When will this game be updated?

[quasi osprey]

I also wanted some clean borders because the peace deal was awful

[quasi osprey]

When gta 6 releases probably so never

[thick vector]

Are you sure?

[quasi osprey]

Idk but doesn't seem like they plan doing a major update

[lilac ginkgo]

they are

soon

[thick vector]

If you don't even know, how could you answer it?

[stark elbow]

im giving up on navy uk must go down with paratroopers

[thick vector]

It's better to just invade by sea

[stark elbow]

i combined the conquested french and italian navy and uk slimed it in one minute

1944-5

[thick vector]

Deploy all your planes to the English Channel, and wait 1 year to see if many British ships are destroyed, then you can invade by sea.

[stark elbow]

large torpedo launchers ig?

[thick vector]

Increase the number of Naval bombers and upgrade the Naval bombers, okay?

[lilac ginkgo]

im starting to go insane

ive also got some of south america

its just pain

god it hurts

[worn cliff]

Spam light cruisers it will delete royal navy

[stark elbow]

what is a good template for them?

[worn cliff]

Spam medium light battery tho. Look at the light attack stat if its above 25+ ur doing it right

Spam 20-30 and royal navy is gone

U can also try destroyer torpedo spam but ehh

Getting air or naval supremacy isnt the problem it gets harder on land

[dry kayak]

Again... 97% of control and even with subs raiding convoys and AI can invade..

[stark elbow]

for having easier combat on land i strategically create a larger front in africa to make them use more divisions down there

anyways thanks for the tip

[fair horizon]

If your patrol fleets engage in combat they stop doing supremacy

[fair horizon]

Dont even need all that, just dont fight the royal navy in their home waters, fire control and radar are more important than more light attack

[paper mango]

Is there still a manpower cheese with puppets or smth?

[maiden bolt]

i know as the usa i got alot of oil but hm saudia has alots of oil that the USA Need

[jade ore]

bro change ur import

holy waste of civs

[maiden bolt]

thats what im gonna do rn

[ebon wolf]

does anyone have good fighter aircraft design for germany to have air superioty for paratroppers?

[ripe slate]

See pins in #ask-for-help-here

[ebon wolf]

ty

[ripe slate]

mainly just max out heavy machine guns while having just 1 engine

[woeful knoll]

How am i going to win this?

[ripe slate]

Personally I always beat Italy with a naval invasion in the south, but usually Im playing a major with an actual navy when I do that

[woeful knoll]

Cant

[uncut pollen]

Let them bleed

[woeful knoll]

no navy

[uncut pollen]

Oetting then bleed means draining their divisions

Weakening them

[woeful knoll]

alr

[fair horizon]

Watch out for the albania front too

[woeful knoll]

Albania has been holding for

[uncut pollen]

Try to defend as much ass possible

[woeful knoll]

About 4 years

theyre find

[native holly]

yeah italian divisions are weak and worthless and since its such a short border the ai will keep pushing attacks and that will cause them to drain soldiers (and because its a short border) heavy attrition loss, so yeah let them bleed and if you can call an ally in

and as always dont forget about planes

[woeful knoll]

All alliues in

[sudden thistle]

If anyone else does anything ur cooked

[wispy flare]

Someone help whenever I try to resume the game it crashes the first time it crashed I built about 5 buildings

[native holly]

romanians will carry dw

[native holly]

mods? ...like do you play with mods

[wispy flare]

Millenium dawn

[native holly]

there you go

overrated buggy ass dlc

[wispy flare]

Wdym

[native holly]

uninstall, problem solved

[wispy flare]

I'm playing Fiji tho

[restive sable]

millenium dawn happens to be the worst optimized mod on the planet

[woeful knoll]

also the worst

[woeful knoll]

Dont play millenium dawn

Please

[wispy flare]

Ok so what other modern mod

Is there

[restive sable]

novem vexillum

[wispy flare]

What year?

Dude

@restive sable

Why do people ghost

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/889283676620349450/1157714358294548581/image0-11.gif

[restive sable]

2000

[wispy flare]

What's a country where I can start from scratch with the navy?

[restive sable]

dont really remember

havent played it in a good while

[wispy flare]

Era of Capitalism?

2000 - 2032

[woeful knoll]

RIP italy

[restive sable]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1827273767

this mod

yes

[native holly]

ooh this looks cool thanks for sharing! :)

[fathom shard]

"Italy doesn't steal"

[cold frigate]

is playing the netherlands as a challenge a good idea?

[restive sable]

of course!

[native holly]

i cant tell if i like this map mod or hate it

ive seen it i might try it but idk whats its called

[fathom shard]

its the tno map mode

[fair horizon]

any with a shore, id reccomend australia, china starts with one, scandanavian ones start with "navies"

[native holly]

tahiti

[fair horizon]

india might be a good one too

south africa is good but they start with like literally zero research

colombia and peru are good too

[heavy vigil]

they both have a navy

[fair horizon]

as much of a navy as finland

also doesnt colombia only start with 2 destroyers?

[heavy vigil]

navy

[fair horizon]

hardly one

casey whats the best sampi to start as?

[wispy flare]

What's a sampi

I'm kinda new

[fair horizon]

old scandanavian culture/people or something like that

[wispy flare]

Like very new

[fair horizon]

like north scandanavia

its a releaseable

[wispy flare]

Like ppl who wrote runes?

[fair horizon]

i guess

im not an expert on them

kinda debating between norway and sweden

[cold frigate]

for netherlands what path should i go economically?

[maiden bolt]

looks like world war 3 might start soon who knows

[vivid juniper]

Is there any good reason Bulgaria keeps going communist for some reason

They always go communist, even though you’re in a faction full of fascist

I just had this happen. They’re my puppet.

[patent thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Tf_UjBMIzNo
GOD SPEED ARTEMIS

[native holly]

arent map games so much better with money? :)

[pulsar saffron]

is there any way to get two minors to go to war

im brazil and i need someone to attack argentina so that i can attack them so they will join my faction

[fair horizon]

Why do you want that?

[pulsar saffron]

my dream of a south american faction

[fair horizon]

Just conquer

[pulsar saffron]

nooo

[fair horizon]

Make good unit build up your cores

[pulsar saffron]

i could map paint any day

[raw cypress]

There has to be a mod on this

[pulsar saffron]

i map painted the rest of south america

[woeful knoll]

This is the worst map ever

Why would the little, disconected ocuntry get all of eurasiafrica

and the big boy gets 80 percent of the americas

[raw cypress]

Ask them

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[viscid stirrup]

this HAS to be an april fools joke

[uncut pollen]

It was posted on a tuesday

[safe wing]

The pope made this as a compromise in the 1500s btw

Most of the world wasn’t known at the time

[fathom shard]

is this a good sfs template

[safe wing]

It was too stop Spain and Portugal who were majors at the time to not go to war with each other

[woeful knoll]

but they knew about china, north africa, etc

[safe wing]

Very little of China

[woeful knoll]

bro

[fathom shard]

?

[safe wing]

They knew it existed but not every part of it

[atomic grove]

doesnt super heavy artillery give bad terrain bonuses?

[safe wing]

Also China was smaller in the 1500s

[woeful knoll]

its based though

like

"super heavy artillery"

[atomic grove]

im asking if it does

[atomic grove]

because if it does

[fathom shard]

no it doesn't

why would i slap it in sfs

[atomic grove]

alright

[fathom shard]

if it did

[atomic grove]

idk

[woeful knoll]

They dont have the gobi desert

[fathom shard]

it's like based asf too

[safe wing]

Didn’t need too Most of the neighbors were tributaries

[woeful knoll]

"bad terrian bonuses"

[woeful knoll]

hm

Did they expect to seriously conquer the whole world tho

[safe wing]

Eh Ming China was very isolationist

[woeful knoll]

nooo

the tortisellas

people

[safe wing]

They allowed trade but they weren’t very expansionist

[fathom shard]

is this based?

[safe wing]

Due to Europe having its own problems in the 1600s which led to silver drying up their economy collapsed

Along with the little ice age and the Mancu invasion

[burnt shore]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-our-manpower-is-gone-cBAprxPvu1TIf590zk

[rare cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-chiang-kai-shek-chiang-kuomintang-gif-24391014

[rare cipher]

I just did a crazy soviet run

Managed to intervene in china and capitulate japan

Got a nice puppet in manchukuo and japan

In 1936 invaded turkey and romania

And now im in 1940

[supple halo]

It’s 1959… 🫩

[woeful knoll]

~manpower 9999999

easy fix

[fathom shard]

im genuinely gonna kms how is italy dying to switzerland with all of this land

[solid grail]

Hi gang

[supple halo]

Hi

[solid grail]

How you doing

[supple halo]

I just wanna go home. 😭

[vivid juniper]

New best

[solid grail]

LMAO that’s a predicament

[fathom shard]

tbh i lowkey just had to kill them

[vivid juniper]

I was able to take out Britain finally however I am still fighting the Americans, even though I put a book end to this game

Because Britain went fascist France and America decided to challenge me and I’ve been stuck at war of them since 1938

[native holly]

honestly no shame in quitting halfway especailly if you did your main go

what makes this game so exhausting is that (in vanilla) the surrender mechanic is useless and never used by the AI so everytime youre at war with a country you have to completely capitulate them and its such bullshit 😭

[vivid juniper]

I don’t have any proven way to get across the Atlantic as I’m still shit at Navy

I was trying to piggyback off of the fascist Britain, but they wouldn’t give me access so I decided to kill them instead

But I called it quits as I couldn’t kill them, and America’s gradually calling him more and more democratic nation

[native holly]

yeah and especially how they changed you have to do naval invasions is so terrible too

you're good man good job on taking Britian :)

[vivid juniper]

I I used everything all at once I had enough air supremacy that I was able to land 40 combat width paratroopers to get a big enough beach head for my main army to sweep in

I’m still annoyed that America released a Democratic UK that I had to kill later because they somehow got credit

[native holly]

because the AI tries to constantly set you up with wars with the entire universe even if you dont want that

its so annoying 🙄

[vivid juniper]

Yeah, I know they’re they’re calling in more and more democratic nations the longer it goes on

[native holly]

yep

even if theyre not related whatsover, like america

[vivid juniper]

Yeah, all of this started mostly because of Britain went fascist America and France started guaranteeing everyone their place because America was already fighting someone else

So democrat nation behavior is unbound

[misty fossil]

?

[safe wing]

Turkish -Brazilian alliance

[native holly]

😭

[native holly]

i think thats the confusion lmao

[fathom shard]

GUYS IS THIS ENOUGH FOR SOVIET UNION

OR DO I GET MORE PLANES

[misty fossil]

you need more

wait no thats enough

[worn cliff]

Train them

[fathom shard]

GUYS AM I WINNING THE AIR WSAR

IM NOT SURE

[woven gate]

winning might be an understatement

[fathom shard]

IM LOSING?

GUYS AM I ILOSING THE LAND WAR

[finite plume]

Surprisingly clean AI peace deal

[vivid juniper]

Why does Bulgaria keep going communist I have one as my puppet

I’m literally fascist Germany

They keep going communist Every single game

[fair horizon]

Are you on ahistorical? They still have a tree

[fathom shard]

went afk and came back to this

[warm falcon]

a "few" divs encircled

[opal nymph]

Might be a dent in the enemy war effort

[fathom shard]

every nationality is in there

[warm falcon]

well

i´m against all communists

and they already have in their unity 25mio casualties xD

[warm falcon]

this pocket was 2,4mio casualties alone xD

[woven gate]

the USSR:

[warm falcon]

they are fine, they already had 16mio casualties before

[tulip thorn]

They have like 100 million more dont worry

<@&846894118219022336> Scam

All channels

[misty fossil]

is there a way to find out why my game keeps freezing at an exact time

[tulip thorn]

Idk like maybe check logs?

[misty fossil]

there's no crash logs because it doesnt crash

it just runs to this timestamp then freeze

[tulip thorn]

Thats actually a pretty good question

[misty fossil]

this is annoying

[trim pike]

Just this save or the game

[misty fossil]

just this save

its modded

i want to know how i can figure out what mod is causing thi

other than turning them off one by one

[trim pike]

What mods

Also try making a new game with the same mods

Maybe u got unlucky

[misty fossil]

ugh i mean i have like 60 mods

love when your puppet has so much communist support

[safe wing]

Rodazevsky being a Japanese puppet makes more sense than him being a German one

considering he REALLY hated the Germans IRL

[silk fern]

my navy is reduced to like 3 ships but at least i speedran tokyo (oct 1938)

brutal

[tulip thorn]

Wow

2 in less than 15 minutes

[warm falcon]

<@&846894118219022336>

again

[safe wing]

<@&846894118219022336> springlock his ass

[tulip thorn]

hoi4 mods can never catch a break

[fathom shard]

doing what the japs couldnt do

[mortal patrol]

Guys

[dire lark]

guys where are the national focuses and the civilian factories?

[mortal patrol]

I think the reason why the axis lost ww2 was because Bulgaria joined ww2

[warm falcon]

national focuses are top left on the flag (is opens a menu where you can click on focuses then)

[silk fern]

how hitler could have won ww2

invade bulgaria
win

[tulip thorn]

Bulgaria would have won ww2 for the allies right then and there

[mortal patrol]

Because in my round when I became axis Bulgaria and joined the axis but became neutral in the axis to gain Macedonia Greek lands amd southern Yugoslavia, not only I gained all those, but after all that I stay neutral and let’s just say

Ussr is speaking German

I kid you not

[misty fossil]

how do i recover a save i overwrote

i messed up big time

[dire lark]

Thank uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[fathom shard]

beautiful asia

[tulip thorn]

Thats fun

you dont

[mortal patrol]

This is on historical by the way

[misty fossil]

nooo

[dire lark]

"a decision is queued for development" what should i do about it? 😓

[warm falcon]

click on the tank symbol and train one division

[opal nymph]

Division

Not decision

[vivid juniper]

How do I stop some of the AI from asking me for industrial development it is annoying

[opal nymph]

Recruit a division in the recruit tab

[opal nymph]

Huh

[silk fern]

greedy ass chiang kai shek wants my generals after i already won the war for him

[dusky burrow]

wtf

fascism is winning

[vivid juniper]

A.k.a. Turkey and Afghanistan constantly asking for you to build civilian factories and invest

[dusky burrow]

nooooooooooo

[opal nymph]

I say yes, and then do nothing

Easy win

[dusky burrow]

true

if you say yes to turkey and then just don't invest, i don't think you'll get another such event

as for afghanistan, i think you just invest because you get no debuffs

[opal nymph]

Unless it is R56

R56 spams you with those events

[vivid juniper]

I had a bug with Sweden where they were constantly asking

[dire lark]

OHH

[opal nymph]

Sweden only requests ball berring trade

Which is good

[dire lark]

Sorry i noticed it now

[warm falcon]

and again

[dire lark]

HEHEHHE

[split bane]

<@&846894118219022336>

[opal nymph]

Someone clicked the sussy link

[opal nymph]

Don't exercise your army

At least dont exercise them now

[vivid juniper]

Also, how do I stop my puppets from going communist when they’re owned by a fascist

Every time I puppet Bulgaria, they keep going communist

It’s not even on historical

[warm falcon]

you dont

[opal nymph]

That's why

Historical Bulgaria doesn't go communist

[warm falcon]

they either change their national focus tree or they keep theirs they picked in the beginning and goes after that

[vivid juniper]

I wish puppets are locked to an ideology and can’t do that. Iran in my game started fascist and went communist. For some reason I get them. They’re independent.

[opal nymph]

Historical focuses my beloved

No stupidity

The only stupidity comes from the events I make

[vivid juniper]

The problem is they’re my puppet. I can’t declare one of them and then reset them.

At least with Iran, I can kick them out of the faction and then do it the old-fashioned way

[warm falcon]

you can eat them

[dire lark]

Should i attack?

[vivid juniper]

That’s what I ended up doing I created Reichskommissariats Balkan

[warm falcon]

yes, you are at war with ethiopia and you get bad effects if you dont beat them fast

[opal nymph]

You should set up frontlines, offensive orders, and get air support ready

[dire lark]

thanks yall for helping<3

[tulip thorn]

Tragic

[foggy scaffold]

Mannn the balkans as a whole needs a rework.

Yugoslavia is

[restive sable]

definitely

only bulgaria is decent

[foggy scaffold]

I find bulgaria fun

But

I want to play the balkans more

Its just dead

[warm falcon]

i´d say usa and great britain need a bigger rework than the balkan

[foggy scaffold]

Ive been saying that for ages.

• france

[warm falcon]

ye

[foggy scaffold]

If the Uk can decolonise

Howcome france cannot.

[warm falcon]

and why do they decolonise in their own ideology

[foggy scaffold]

I mean, it does say that a communist civil war would happeb

Happen

[warm falcon]

ye if great happen didnt decolonise after 2 years

but why do malaysia, egypt etc. all become communist

[foggy scaffold]

Hell, the only way I find british focus tree fun is doing the alternate things.

[foggy scaffold]

Release them as puppets or dominions or wtv

Then they get independent

[tulip thorn]

Decolonizing is not fun in any scenario

Makes the game slow and the nations dont even do anything

[foggy scaffold]

The only thing ive seen is like

Them having a shi load of troops.

For some reason.

[tulip thorn]

yeah and make the game slow

[restive sable]

i want those stupid guarentees gone i don't care

i like what RT56 does better

with the national spirits

[foggy scaffold]

The guarantees annoy me so bad.

I swear

[restive sable]

they NEVER go away

it's annoying

[warm falcon]

this conversation is guaranteed by great britain

[restive sable]

maybe it's just a skill issue on my end but god i don't WANNA fight france as hungary or bulgaria

it's abysmal

[foggy scaffold]

I dont know why but I feel like Ireland should have a focus tree if Britain ever gets a rework.

The Isles dlc ahh shi man.

[restive sable]

that's not even my only complaint about the balkans

[warm falcon]

on historic for sure, non-historic it can happen, like if france or czechia change ideology

[foggy scaffold]

I have a LOT

[restive sable]

100% agree

[dusky burrow]

well you can imagine ireland is important to britain and that general region

which is true

[restive sable]

if i were to group countries together for dlcs

i'd do something like the US, UK, Canada and Ireland

i feel it'd fit together

[foggy scaffold]

Id say Australia but then I remember that theyre getting smt

But anyways.

I mean

Ireland was neutral n all

Could be alternative things.

Fascism communism

Anything

[restive sable]

romania's tree is extremely boring, greece's is extremely dated (and also boring imo), yugoslavia just sucks

[foggy scaffold]

Yugoslavia

I hate

The most

[restive sable]

switzerland was neutral and austria was gobbled up in 1938

they both have focus trees

[foggy scaffold]

I was gonna say

[restive sable]

if it's on the map at game's start i think they should eventually get a tree

[foggy scaffold]

Its funny that austria has a bigger ass focus tree than yugoslavia

[restive sable]

austria's focus tree is like one of the best in the game

[foggy scaffold]

Ive also remembered about

The middle east

Iraq and Iran has a focus tree.

[restive sable]

iran's focus tree is really good personally

i like it a lot

[foggy scaffold]

Syria Lebanon Saudi Arabia Yemen.

Could get some.

[foggy scaffold]

I like irans

[restive sable]

mandatory palestine (yes this is probably controversial as hell so i get why paradox wouldn't touch it for a good while)

[vivid juniper]

Tried Salvaging it this is where I’m going to end it 1950.

[restive sable]

but i like what RT56 does with it asw

[foggy scaffold]

Yea them too

Wrong reply

Oml

[vivid juniper]

The AI are death stacking, and I can’t move to particularly well so this is where I’m going to call it

[foggy scaffold]

Who else could get a better focus tr

Ok imo

Spain

SPAIN

I swear to god its just

[restive sable]

spain's is not the absolute worst

honestly

i enjoy spain

[foggy scaffold]

Ive played it but

[restive sable]

but most of the enjoyment is the civil war itself

[warm falcon]

the next 3,5 encircled pockets

[vivid juniper]

They do need a better focus tree because if you ally with them at all, they will drag you into a war with majors

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So

[vivid juniper]

It’s also a unrecognizable mass

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Speaking about SPAIN

[restive sable]

egypt should be "independent" at start

[dusky burrow]

anti-fascism bites the dust 💀

[dusky burrow]

yeah it should

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WHY DO THE SOVIETS GET LIKE EAST SPAIN

War of independence cdjdkfie

Dragged me into a war with the soviets

[warm falcon]

yes, with these pockets france is open

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Like

A dominion or smt.

And they have Sudan?¿

Pretty sure in a mod that's what it does

[dusky burrow]

i think you should disband the confederacy

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Oh and another thing.

I.

Despise

[restive sable]

imo anglo-egyptian sudan should be represented separately

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The American focus tree

[restive sable]

britain did have more control over it in reality

[dusky burrow]

sudan is a condominium in this time period between nominally independent egypt and the uk

[restive sable]

it's boring as hell

[warm falcon]

the most annoying thing about the current usa is this stupid civil war everytime

[dusky burrow]

however the uk had more power over sudan than egypt did

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Oh & 1 thing I hate and dont understand is that if I puppet a country that used to be a british puppet. They keep the same colour and the same flag.

Idk why, but if just annoys tf out of me

Same with france.

British raj Canada

Ig

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I played it ONCE

And never again

[restive sable]

anglo-egyptian sudan should be a seperate tag

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I feel like playing Iraq at some point.

[dusky burrow]

separate tag from normal sudan?

[vivid juniper]

I would like to see an Allied expansion , UK + US , France and maybe Canada

they all need a new focus tree

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Canada

OHHH

CANADA

Canada needs one.

And the rest

[vivid juniper]

we’re all pretty dated but predictable I would like to see some more action out of them

I think the most recent was Man The Guns in the US alt history options

[restive sable]

not like that

just mean like

seperate on the map