hoi4-general

[heavy vigil]

shovel is 35

or do you mean assault

its just a waste of a support slot

same stats as an inf batallion

[mellow parrot]

Not the biggest encirclement but so nice to see

[dusk knoll]

they added trans people to hoi4

[night stone]

The Netherlands have helped me wipe over 400,000 Nazis before June 1940.

[mystic nest]

Where's your boats japan??

[mystic nest]

might wanna up your conscription law mate

might be the most convoys ive seen downed in a single battle

[dusk knoll]

wtf country are you playing

[frigid zenith]

brazil

[mystic nest]

brazilian industry wins again

obliterated the german french and japanese navies all while losing one(1) light cruiser

and their merchant fleets too

[north merlin]

how do i deploy parra troopers? i tried clicking on airbase but it doesn't work

[mystic nest]

click the paratrooper order button

then click an airbase from which they shall take off

that airbase needs transport planes

then click a destination tile

[north merlin]

oh ok

[mystic nest]

big fleet

ignore the one sub and destroyer

[timid crest]

Get rid of the sub

[mystic nest]

yep

it snuck in there by accident

[timid crest]

👍

How do I kill Japan as france

indochina's gone

[mystic nest]

historical?

or no?

[timid crest]

Nope

[north merlin]

anybody know how to resolve this? i got like a lot of troops stuck in norway, i need 1 more point to get them to capitulate but i ran out of supplies and it's taking forever to build a supply hub and connect it with rails and im js stuck here

[timid crest]

Japan joined axis

I beat Germany n Italy before '40

personal best

[timid crest]

Naval invade

[zealous yew]

make rhodesia great again

[timid crest]

Or make a naval port

[north merlin]

oh alr

[dusky burrow]

naval invade behind them probably

also why do you have artillery divisions

[timid crest]

I've just noticed that

[mystic nest]

do you have a fleet

[timid crest]

Kinda

ish

I only have the starting fleet plus some destroyer

[mystic nest]

artillery divs, 64 divs stuck in narvik what the helly is this

[mystic nest]

pray that america cooks in the pacfic i guess

if you dont have a fleet then its hard to invade japan solo

did you not take the german and italian fleets after capitulating them?

those shouldve been enough

[mystic nest]

also that many divs is just chewing through supply

[timber laurel]

hey guyd

[mystic nest]

i usually fight up there with like 12 divs max

[timber laurel]

guys

is there a country that is strong and relevant in ww2 but not too strong either

like a minor major

[mystic nest]

italy

[timber laurel]

wait finland is a good choice

[mystic nest]

italy is the weakest major

[timber laurel]

im gonna play finland

[mystic nest]

no finland especially after the dd changes is straight up a minor lol

[mystic nest]

i mean play whatever you want

[timber laurel]

wait what

i thought they had op military buffs

[mystic nest]

sort of

molti tactics is balanced by the fact that

you need cp to set it up

and finland has like nomanpower

finland is probably among the harder relevant minors to play

[timber laurel]

is vichy france considered a minor

[mystic nest]

i guess..? i dont know if they even have a good focus tree though

[timid crest]

Unfortunately

America isn't in the war

Yet

[timber laurel]

ill check it out i guezss

[mystic nest]

then you just have to wait lol

[timid crest]

yeah

[mystic nest]

avg japan war with no navy experience

[timid crest]

I only have myself

and my puppets

[mystic nest]

what happaned to the german and italian fleets?

[timid crest]

Britain turned communist

[mystic nest]

HISTORICAL?

??

[timid crest]

I'm still in war with them so I can't steal

[timid crest]

nonhist

[mystic nest]

i thought you said you beat them

[timid crest]

I meant as in capitulating em

[mystic nest]

doesnt capitulating germany and italy usually trigger a peace conference

[timid crest]

btw I have the portugese and Spanish fleet (orleanist france path)

[mystic nest]

this might be ahistorical shenanigans though

[timid crest]

Yeah. But Japan is in the axis

So

[mystic nest]

thats.. something but its not enough

[timid crest]

Sadly yeah

[mystic nest]

oh they didnt go co prosperity sphere

rip

[timid crest]

Nah they went hirohito

The one path that makes the flag yellow and red

[mystic nest]

yuh

[timid crest]

I'll lowkey build a navy first

[limpid field]

is this normal

first time seeing on historical

[mystic nest]

its faster to just build a paratrooper force

[timid crest]

that's.. Ze problem

how do I do it if I don't have any territories close to mainland japan

[timid crest]

Hoi4's historical just breaks down at 1941-1942

[mystic nest]

fair enough

[timid crest]

does invading China sound like a good idea?

I overpower em

[timber laurel]

hey guys

if i win the winter war as finland can i still help germany in barbarossa?

[timid crest]

Yeah

wait

[brave wyvern]

Need HOI5 in 2027

[mystic nest]

invading china is a pretty big pain in the bum

unless if you have some really good mountaineers

[fair horizon]

Dont you have the spanish and french fleets?

[mystic nest]

yes

[prisma saddle]

yo vendrip i need to tell you something

[fair horizon]

Yes

[prisma saddle]

I made 30 dd and 11 light cruisers with 1 heavy ships and 3 spotting ships but in the first battle they still sank everything

[fair horizon]

What did they fight?

Also very nice

Oh wait i may have read that wrong

Did your fleet win or lose?

[prisma saddle]

british

[prisma saddle]

lose

[fair horizon]

Probably got outnumbered in capitals

like carriers hit like a truck rn

Its a good fleet you just needed more battleships

Also id reccomend a carrier over a bunch of spotting cruisers

Or some seaplane tender destroyers even

[mystic nest]

i straight up dont use dd

who needs screens??

[mystic nest]

carriers are so broken

most of my naval kills come from carriers

even with fully kitted out lcs and bbs

[fair horizon]

most of mine in the beta come from battleships

[mystic nest]

zamn

[fair horizon]

But they have fc3 and radar 4 so

[mystic nest]

ah

[limpid zenith]

Destroyers are pretty weak they can be sunk even by bot’s start fleet. Making them may worth it only to protect convoys from subs
Imo you should’ve built more light cruisers and few more heavy ship (also upgrade armour on them)

If you want a lot torpedos you can do torpedo cruiser special project. You can spam torpedo modules on them also they will have armour and yet pretty cheap

[timid crest]

building more doesn't hurt

plus it sucks

1936 tech

[misty fossil]

you should try modded navy

[timid crest]

uhh what counts as capital ships

[mystic nest]

Carriers and battleships

[mystic nest]

everytime i read #ask-for-help-here i remember why i keep telling myself not to bother

[prisma saddle]

i make destroyers for them to take damage and be speed snad cheap si they can with torpedo attack d'amare the screen and can be early replacable

[mystic nest]

yeah but light cruisers if you manage them well

you dont even need to replace them

you rarely if ever lose one

[prisma saddle]

so what kind of fleet i need to do?

[mystic nest]

light cruisers, battleships, carriers

[limpid zenith]

Idk I think damaged ship is better than dead one
Faster to repair than build one and don’t require steel
Personally I like built small but strong fleet
Something like good 24 light cruisers 5 heavy ships and 1 carrier can win like every battle whenever hundreds of ships allies send, yet pretty damaged but repair will take few months and allies never gets back those

[prisma saddle]

how many

[mystic nest]

depends on how good your light cruisers are. i usually go like 2:1 ratio of light cruisers to capitals

but you can honestly get away with a 1:1 ratio or even more skewed

[limpid zenith]

Funny light cruiser moment from one of my games

[mystic nest]

This fleet wiped out every axis navy while losing one light cruiser

[prisma saddle]

lc design?

[mystic nest]

and it had an extremely skewed capital to light cruiser ratio

[mystic nest]

just spam the light cruiser turret

turret t2s if not playing in the beta

[limpid zenith]

There some op module

[mystic nest]

carriers will probably be doing most of the work

[mystic nest]

ignore the CAs and stuff those are just from one of the axis fleets i took

[limpid zenith]

Has same damage is tier 4, doesn’t require extra steel and has air attack

If not putting best armour will require just 3 steel and 6500 cost I think

Idk about new fleet revamp didn’t check it yet

[prisma saddle]

not surprising the are 27 carriers

[mystic nest]

i did it the next run with nine carriers

no losses except for two light cruisers

[mystic nest]

the state of japan's navy in 43

[hollow drum]

all i do is clash clash clash no matter what

[cold gazelle]

If clashing is your power, then what are you without it?

[cold gazelle]

Me who plays too casually

[leaden niche]

1967

67

67

67

[cold gazelle]

No

[prisma saddle]

so if I wnat something cheesy and fast I need around 16 light cruisers with around 25 light attack and some spotting ones , but is worth it doing some destroyers for asrob the damage

?

[mystic nest]

nah i dont use dds

[prisma saddle]

the ire rhinghs about light cruisers are rightμ

?

i mean with them can i beat the royal navy?

italy

[heavy vigil]

maybe

[limpid zenith]

I already told you good 20-30 lc 4-6 heavy ships 1 carrier = ez win in any battle

[heavy vigil]

gloarp

[limpid zenith]

💀

[heavy vigil]

: 3

[misty fossil]

i cant seem to boot up hõi

hoi4

[late valley]

hello

[late valley]

whats wrong

[misty fossil]

i dont know

oh nevermind it is now

[late valley]

nice

what country ru playing as

[misty fossil]

a country that has a good naval mio

[limpid zenith]

Which one

[misty fossil]

Thats a question i want to ask you guys

[limpid zenith]

Belarus

[misty fossil]

No

[heavy vigil]

uhm

brasil can invite foreign, japan, ussr i think, italy

finland maybe?

[late valley]

usa

[misty fossil]

usa is boring

ive played brazil before

[heavy vigil]

they dont actually

they have bad ones

[misty fossil]

bra is capped by having 0 chromium

[late valley]

fr?

[heavy vigil]

take the US and cuba

[grave sonnet]

Too strong

[heavy vigil]

yes

[misty fossil]

im thinking ger

[grave sonnet]

Play other Ameircan nations

[heavy vigil]

naval ussr

[heavy vigil]

its the new hype

[misty fossil]

played that

what country has the best submarine mio

[tulip cobalt]

90283530132468744

no password

[limpid zenith]

And ussr isn’t too strong?

[knotty vortex]

how do you actually turn czech communist

i cant see a focus for it

nvm found it

[prisma zealot]

its easy

[brisk glen]

#historical-multiplayer or #alt-history-multiplayer

[tulip cobalt]

nah it was a joke

[brisk glen]

Oh

[fair compass]

me watching germany anschluss austria while demilitarized

[cold gazelle]

Hmmm how did this happen

[fair compass]

i have no idea

im pretty sure france rejected it though

and NO did NOT use the console

[cold gazelle]

Playing non-historical

That’s why

ISNT it

[fair compass]

g-gulp

[cold gazelle]

Dude I’m in school

😭

[fair compass]

then why are u on discord..

[cold gazelle]

Cuz we’re on break

Plus

Imma use my phone during math

I hate math

[fair compass]

and get caught

[cold gazelle]

Last day before a 2 week vacation anyways

[cold gazelle]

Fun fact: they don’t care

[fair compass]

because I am your math teacher

[cold gazelle]

He would just tell me to put the phone down and not care if I didn’t

[fair compass]

oh

[cold gazelle]

If you are my math teacher, then what are you without math?

[fair compass]

A gamer

[cold gazelle]

Relatable

[knotty vortex]

guys i need a tank template to fight the germans with

as czech

[sudden thistle]

Why am I seeing variations of this quote everywhere

Is it the new trend

[cold gazelle]

Oh wow haven’t heard from you in a while

[knotty vortex]

guys i need a tank design + div

[fair compass]

what is this picture 👀

is this the paradox HQ or sum

[grave sonnet]

Hello chat

[knotty vortex]

can somebody please give me a tank design

i need one

[sudden thistle]

It’s a building with the pdx logo photoshopped on

I don’t know which building

[sudden thistle]

Check pins in #ask-for-help-here

[fair compass]

might be a parliament then

[knotty vortex]

whats the best vs the germans, SPA?

[snow rain]

in singleplayer the best tank is an SPG
Look for topazand's in pins

As checz you can do light tanks mixed with light spg and cav/inf/mech to use the cost reductions

I remember using 6 light spg (for soft atk), 4 light tanks (breakthrough), 10inf (large units subdoctrine, for HP and cheap)

[knotty vortex]

so uhh

where are the germans at

its nearly 1939

okay they just started justifying lol

[errant remnant]

Can some1 give me some good plane temps? im horrid at making them

[grave sonnet]

The German AI annexes Austria in early 39 for em usually

[knotty vortex]

no its 1938 they annex austria

[grave sonnet]

Ic

[knotty vortex]

holy bombing bro

[gleaming acorn]

Segams Tunga

[upper rapids]

any russians for hoi game?

[snow rain]

A lot, actually

A lot of modders too

[upper rapids]

really?

i fought there is about 2 or 3

include me

tuff

[snow rain]

Get armored trains or AA lvl 2 on each states

[knotty vortex]

yeah i’ve got AA but no trains

holding off pretty well though

[upper rapids]

1 get liberia as puppet state

[snow rain]

Static AA ?

[knotty vortex]

yeah the state ones

[upper rapids]

2 sell them to america

3 be cool

[snow rain]

Because forts aren't bombed, be careful about that

Watch for bratislava and poland border as that's where they'll attack if your forts are intact

[knotty vortex]

is bratislava the little state on the polish border that doesn’t get any forts from the focus

cause i maxed that out

[low fog]

hi

[knotty vortex]

i’m hoping i can get some tank units down before they invade poland

[snow rain]

That's zaolie
Bratislava is the big slovak city

[knotty vortex]

i had to go out so i don’t have the map in front of me sadly

why’s that vulnerable?

[snow rain]

Austrian border

[knotty vortex]

i dealt with austria

that border doesn’t matter

[snow rain]

It's a plain tiles that can be attacked from 3 directions and it's a big VP, making it a priority target for AI

[bronze mango]

Its the Australian old parliament house building with a paradox logo covering the sign

[fair compass]

oh

[graceful kayak]

hey should i always promote generals to field marshals? or is there a downside?

[knotty vortex]

where are the other 2

[inland falcon]

Gotta love the AI. I just wiped out 600k axis troops in one pocket and meanwhile the allies haven't landed in Italy and Mexico is doing a 2 division D-day in Normandy

We making it to Paris with this one

[mystic nest]

wasting command points

[last latch]

You get a free trait slot on the general and no penalties minus the command power cost. If you're at/close to max CP and don't need it you should always promote generals

[graceful kayak]

thanks

[last latch]

Hardly a waste imo. Command power is easy to get and hardly needed most of the time

[mystic nest]

sure, but there's no real benefit to promoting generals

if you dont need field marshals

[cold gazelle]

I am actively being attacked by a broom

Broom

[supple summit]

yo lads I cant tell if I am tripping but ever since 1.17 the ai has gotten extremely more aggressive? Like they attack unmanned spots in my frontline and keep getting encircled

[cold gazelle]

Ah yes

[last latch]

Every general you promote to field marshal gets another trait slot, that's insanely useful

[cold gazelle]

The US going from 5 million MP to 0 in half a year

[supple summit]

ong

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[mystic nest]

thats fair enough i guess, i usually use my cp for attaches pre war and general abilities in war

[last latch]

You don't have to use them as field marshals to get benefits from promoting them

[supple summit]

sup

[cedar lance]

hello lud

[late valley]

my house

[kindred lotus]

is this considered fast to cap china?

[ivory hull]

when did you declare?

[kindred lotus]

june

[ivory hull]

then id say its pretty fast

especially for a new player

[kindred lotus]

im not a new player 😭

[ivory hull]

oh shi m

b

how many hours you got?

[kindred lotus]

6k

😭

[ivory hull]

why you asking if thats fast bruh

[kindred lotus]

idk wanted to flex LOL

im not a japan main

im a soviet main

so

erm

[ivory hull]

i was wondering why a new player would be that fast

[kindred lotus]

LOL yea

china is ez bro

2 collabs and u just rush encirclements

and then u grand battleplan

ez ez

i just snaked into wuhan

i suffered only like 30k losses while they suffered around half a million

[ivory hull]

i always spam some naval invasions

[weary lagoon]

collabs?

[kindred lotus]

naval invasions are too slow bro

[weary lagoon]

i never do collabs :3

[kindred lotus]

collabaration governments

[vague abyss]

if ur try harding a 37 cap in china isn't hard

[ivory hull]

nah bro they help tho

[kindred lotus]

i capped china in 5 months

[ivory hull]

i just do like 2

[snow rain]

Collab governements, from spy operations

[mystic nest]

collab governments are for people who cant shoot the enemy enough

[ivory hull]

in nanjing and that hong kong area

[vague abyss]

u just need to spam a bunch of 18 widths, naval invade in nanking/shandong and encircle and then rush down guanji

[mystic nest]

this is why i play without la resistance

[vague abyss]

did u naval invade etc

[kindred lotus]

i just rushed nanjing naval invasion and thats it

[kindred lotus]

only once

bro they ran outta divisions

[vague abyss]

where

[kindred lotus]

and i just grandbattleplan

nanjing

[ivory hull]

i just get one in the south to rush the vps

[kindred lotus]

like dude

[vague abyss]

what about in the north

did u rush shanxi focus

[kindred lotus]

nah LOL i forgot

[vague abyss]

so where did u encircle the army, jinan?

u push through jinan or just push through ur naval invasion

[kindred lotus]

i just did like a lotta small pockets

i pushed through both

like for some reason

[snow rain]

China is extremely easy to kill with 3 collabs and you get 100% compluance on every single chinese tile if you do the peace deal correctly (annex warlords first then china)

[kindred lotus]

the ai put the divisions on their ports and otehr VPs so i just encircled it and ran around it

[vague abyss]

no i mean did u do like 15 divs on beijing and like 30 on nanking or something and rush cap points or

[kindred lotus]

and theyh ran outta divisions

[vague abyss]

ima do a japan save ill show u what i mean

[kindred lotus]

i had a total of 24 divisions on beijing at the start 10 divisions on nanjing

[heavy vigil]

hi cat

[mystic nest]

i havent used la resistance since i started the game

[kindred lotus]

then when the front expanded

i put my other army on the frontline

[vague abyss]

hi casey

[kindred lotus]

what i did is

[vague abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-cat-looking-up-cat-look-up-kitten-look-up-gif-13486805289139588631

[kindred lotus]

i tried to connect north and south asap and encircle as much as possible

which worked

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-wolp-cute-wolf-cute-wolp-silly-wolf-gif-14121542384585528342

[kindred lotus]

then after i did that for some reason like entire sections of the frontline were empty

[vague abyss]

ima show u how i rush china in sheepsmod

[kindred lotus]

so i just grandbattleplanned

[vague abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/bendiciones-gif-14887896210040346974

[kindred lotus]

sheepsmod is outdated isnt it?

[vague abyss]

no?

[kindred lotus]

they updated it?

i thought it wasnt compatiable with NCNS

[vague abyss]

I used to play rt56 only till about 2025 and then now i only ever do sheepsmod and navy AI mods

that way its actually good

[kindred lotus]

wait

so u can play sheeps mod

[vague abyss]

yea

im on it rn

[kindred lotus]

on this version

??

damn bruh

[kindred lotus]

MY BELOVED SHEEPSMOD

what version r u on

[vague abyss]

well sheepsmod doesn't change any navy ships sooo yea

[kindred lotus]

bro i just delete all production lines and put it on guns

LOL

[limpid zenith]

can you slide some navy AI mods please

[kindred lotus]

and artillery

japan gets insane bonuses for artillery

[vague abyss]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3611193717

usa had over 800 ships by ww2, a tonne of capital ships, if u do japan u MUST deathstack

they get 40% production buff on usa

and produce capital ships way more

[kindred lotus]

realistic lol

[vague abyss]

if it crashes just reload the game

it only crashes in navy battles someitmes

[kindred lotus]

the US lost half of their starting navy in ww2 but they ended up with a navy 10 times stronger than all of the axis fleets combined

[limpid zenith]

Ok thanks

[vague abyss]

if you want to rush china in sheeps just do 18w and then push through jinan, encircle then push nanking and rush the southern ports

[kindred lotus]

are u sure its compatiable with the current version? \

13 feburary

that sounds a bit

old

[vague abyss]

no major dlcs in february

[kindred lotus]

i see

is sheepsmod a good idea for hoi4 MP ? if u lack like players

like i play with like 5-6 of my friends

we always lack minors

like germany needs hungary and romanian inf

[heavy vigil]

you could

[vague abyss]

yeah u can

but might lag

[kindred lotus]

oh shi

it'll probably desync more 😭

[vague abyss]

i want to see the AI logic for it added at least for MP mods

[kindred lotus]

bro hearts of oaks is good but u need like

30 players

[vague abyss]

Boom

[kindred lotus]

yea tbh man

i just didnt have the time for allat

io just rushed with underequipped 16w inf

and it somehow worked

naval invasions in 1936 take too much time

[vague abyss]

ur main army

ur naval invasion army

do ur collabs on china if u want to

get out them naval treaties

these are the only planes i keep as i produce new airframes for pearl

ur bombers can bomb coastal forts so u can land

now you can either land in jiangsu or qindao whichever you prefer

i will try jiangsu

promote this dude to get max planning/fast planning for ur naval invasions

[cedar monolith]

this is new for me, wepons for france lol

[fossil dragon]

the red sea

[light goblet]

why does every scw battle take like 500 days to finishg

[sand heath]

Guys

Is the fascist civil war 1937 UK imperial federation path patched?

[grave sonnet]

Wdym

The thing where you declare war on every commonwealth nations ?

[sand heath]

Yh

Does the thing still work?

Hey?

[grave sonnet]

I played it!

WC

It's not patched

[heavy vigil]

i dont think ive ever done a full WC lol

[sand heath]

Can you get india?

[viscid swift]

yo guys how can you get ur generals upgraded in hoi4

because im a bit shtupid

[sand heath]

Assign leader traits

With command power

[grave sonnet]

Yes ez

[sand heath]

Can you explain a bit how to do it?

I only saw a yt video

[grave sonnet]

You Bassicly just start the civil wara

Pause the game

And declare war on every nation

[sand heath]

Dominion?

[grave sonnet]

That the UK haves

[sand heath]

Or?

Like dominions?

Right?

[grave sonnet]

Ever1 allied to UK

[light goblet]

dear god its all civil wars

[sand heath]

So the british raj, canada australia etc?

[grave sonnet]

Yes

[sand heath]

And then i just have to win the civil war?

[grave sonnet]

Yes

You get all the points

And annex all

[sand heath]

Non historical in a nutshell

[sand heath]

Alr ty very much

[grave sonnet]

Np

[light goblet]

🧐

it still descends into world war after all the civil wars end

true defender

[inland falcon]

The hoi4 devs should add a way to let you hang mussolini <3

[light goblet]

historical 👀🔥

[inland falcon]

Heartbreaking, this conservative politician was killed by the radical left for voicing his opinion

The worst part of it all is that they could only kill him once

[quasi sluice]

they should add a way for you to unlock dlc

Why dont they make the game 100 and let you unlock more and more dlc as it ocmes out

[light goblet]

because they need MONEY 🤑🤑💰💰

[inland falcon]

Who tf is gonna pay $100 for base game

[quasi sluice]

well it wouldnt be just the base game

as you can unlock dlc

[inland falcon]

Through what method

[sand heath]

what are they fighting with, rocks?

[light goblet]

duking it out probably

[knotty vortex]

whats a good tank unit design

i made medium tanks

as czech

[snow rain]

check pins in #ask-for-help-here
topazand's designs are best

the amtrack one is overkill and too costly

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[knotty vortex]

thats sp artillery

mine are just tanks

[snow rain]

regular tanks are just SPGs with less stats in new patch

[knotty vortex]

oh okay

[snow rain]

just change the designation

and the tempalte

[knotty vortex]

i also dont have mechanized yet

[knotty vortex]

this?

[snow rain]

use cav in this case until you get it
or, better yet as checz, do infantry tanks

[knotty vortex]

ill use infantry tanks

[snow rain]

then don't invest anything in speed

you'll be capped at 4km/h anyway

[knotty vortex]

okay#

[desert echo]

You forgot the stick

[mighty zephyr]

Will hoi5 ever happen

It feels like they are adding quite a lot to hoi4 for that to happen in the near future. But idk if paradox just does that

[inland falcon]

peep the iron curtain

or more so, look at france lol

[mighty zephyr]

Steel curtain

[buoyant portal]

did the UK not join the war or what?

[inland falcon]

they did, but i have a few other mods on and one them includes RKs for some reason even though its the expanded map mod

[nimble turret]

i jsut saw that the new dlc is more than 30 euro. wtf is it even worth it? most reviews are bad

[buoyant portal]

did it not release less than a month ago?

[nimble turret]

first time i saw it came out lol

[buoyant portal]

you mean NCNS?

[light goblet]

everything is going fine

[nimble turret]

yes

[light goblet]

👀🔥

[buoyant portal]

most newly released stuff gets bad reviews

but do you want to buy it?

[nimble turret]

well its very expensive so thats my only issue. has it ever come on sale?

[buoyant portal]

it got released like about half an year ago so it probably will not go to sale any time soon

[nimble turret]

alright i wont buy it

first ever dlc ill skip

[worn cliff]

is this a W

im now gonna build a navy and make china a colonial power

[inland falcon]

honestly if the DLC wasn't so expensive it'd be fine

besides communist china the trees are pretty alright

[buoyant portal]

now go get genghis khant

[buoyant portal]

i have not tried them all but i love the faction system

[sudden thistle]

Wait 6 years ish

[inland falcon]

oh yeah the faction system is pretty cool too

as long as theres money to be made from ovepriced hoi4 DLC, paradox will milk hoi4

[mighty zephyr]

Every new dlc converts another steam user to the dark side (torrenting)

[sudden thistle]

No paradox will milk every game they have

[inland falcon]

waiter, waiter, more ck2 DLC please

[mighty zephyr]

I wish paradox released a non ww2 MODERN war game

i only emphasized that to rule out a certain rts game

[buoyant portal]

woud be pretty hard

[inland falcon]

i would KILL for either a cold war game or an extension of hoi4 into the early cold war

[buoyant portal]

since cold war did not have much "direct conquest" so i do not think it would work as a paradox game

[inland falcon]

there's nowhere near enough love for it in media, especially video games

[mighty zephyr]

Ww1

[inland falcon]

shake it up, do something new. the true fun of paradox games is the larp anyway

[mighty zephyr]

Cold war historical would literally be a country building game for many countries

Just preparing for a non existent war

[buoyant portal]

pretty much

and either usa or soviets sparking wars around the underdeveloped world

[inland falcon]

yeah i'd spend like $50 on that

[mighty zephyr]

They charge that much for focus trees

Doubt ur getting it for thta pirce

[buoyant portal]

also how do you even balance it since only like vietnam changed the map in the cold war?

[mighty zephyr]

Cyprus Peace Operation

I dont know any more tho

[worn cliff]

ill declare on soviet after barb

[buoyant portal]

nah do it now i have trust in you 🙏

[mighty zephyr]

Does mongolia have a focus tree

[worn cliff]

i can now but it'll be attrition warfare i just cant bother

[mighty zephyr]

Was it in the asian dlc

[inland falcon]

i think it'd generally just appeal to people who are more interested in larping in games like stellaris than people who play hoi4

[buoyant portal]

nope

[worn cliff]

na

[mighty zephyr]

Revive genghis khan focus

[buoyant portal]

i enjoy rping as the next guy, but playing as north korea or smt, invading the south then having to settle for a tie peace treaty and then not attack anything for the rest of the game would suck

[grave sonnet]

We need a Mongolia and Mengkukuo focus tree

[buoyant portal]

it would honestly need to be highly alternative history to even work imo.

[inland falcon]

i mean there's no reason it couldn't

idk i'm not a game developer, i just think it'd be fun to explore different ways the cold war could've panned out

[buoyant portal]

also paradox has a pretty bad PR already since it has alt history in hoi4

and also since hoi4 is a ww2 game

so i am not sure if they really wanna risk a more recent period of conflict for minimal gain

[inland falcon]

i haven't really heard about negative PR over hoi4

a few mods, sure, but the base game nah

[buoyant portal]

doesn't the base game have an american fascist branch that has the civil war reignited?

[inland falcon]

yeah? and?

[buoyant portal]

i might be stupid

[inland falcon]

i've literally never seen anybody complain about that

[buoyant portal]

pretty sure i saw news about video games letting kids bring back slavery and it talked exactly about this

[inland falcon]

should've played the game then. there's nothing in hoi4 about slavery

[buoyant portal]

i know but people are not gonna understand

and paradox is still a company meant to make money.

[inland falcon]

i assure you there are very very few people who are concerned about hoi4

[light goblet]

uphill battle

[buoyant portal]

maybe i really should play spain

[fair horizon]

Wym? Just keep clicking the decision to buy guns

[lilac ginkgo]

no

its pain

spain is pain

[hexed silo]

hello i just got the game i will play as latvia

[fair horizon]

Anarchist spain is the only fun spain

[wide osprey]

is this latvian uniform

[hexed silo]

yes

leitnants

[buoyant portal]

no way you are also latvian

[hexed silo]

no

[buoyant portal]

damn

so close to a latvian playing in a latvian outfit as Latvia in hoi4

[hexed silo]

yeah im 0% latvian im pretty sure no ancestry at all

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[wide osprey]

looks pretty uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh soviet 🙂

means cool

[hexed silo]

its from the 3rd abrenes battalion of the aizsargi, or robezsargi whichever you prefer

they were both kinda

[buoyant portal]

where'd you even get those?

[hexed silo]

custom made i got 2 jackets and a pair of pants on the way

[buoyant portal]

so a commission?

[hexed silo]

yes

$300 for the 2 jackets and $130 for the pants

some nice guy in india hes really great

[buoyant portal]

holy shit

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/whats-the-number-number-please-digits-give-me-the-number-whats-my-number-gif-15788802

[opaque zinc]

Waiter waiter more of me being horrible at this game

[fair horizon]

One steaming hot horrible at this game coming right up

[hexed silo]

its not the worst

[buoyant portal]

430 dollars is like 430 euros which is a lot

[hexed silo]

i think itll be the cheapest or near the cheapest uniform of my 4 once its done

officers dont carry that much

probably the most expensive would be if i ever got around to finishing the original m1933 italian uniform i got the jacket for

[buoyant portal]

what even happened?

[vague abyss]

Yo guys I know theres submarine detection but is their logic in the game for them going back into hiding? Or is this only part of the beta

[soft escarp]

No idea,

[vague abyss]

Reworked submarine detection formula, added three new defines related to the submarine detection, SUBMARINE_BASE_STEALTH_VALUE, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_TORPEDO_FIRING_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER

[snow rain]

when you detect submarine, there's a probability it can escape detection again. The lesser detection you have compared to their visibility, the higher chance they have to become undetected again. having planes overhead also reduce that chance iirc

[vague abyss]

i don't believe these were all in the current base game

[vague abyss]

Reworked submarine detection formula, added three new defines related to the submarine detection, SUBMARINE_BASE_STEALTH_VALUE, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_TORPEDO_FIRING_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER

[snow rain]

the mechanic sure is, had to deal with it in a MP game last week

[soft escarp]

Dude, I don't Care.

[sudden thistle]

Since when are you red

[vague abyss]

so theres no NEW defines?

[soft escarp]

I dont play hoi4

[snow rain]

doesn't mean it wasn't changed in the beta but the fact they can recloak always was there

[vague abyss]

wrong server trade minister

[soft escarp]

https://tenor.com/bdt7y.gif

[snow rain]

it's why you must have ships with high depth charge atk so you can sink them fast enough

[soft escarp]

just spam battleships

Start as germany in 1936

build 5 million man army

many planes

[vague abyss]

if I load a save from the old beta version will the new stuff apply?

[soft escarp]

and not a single dockyard build until 1950

[soft escarp]

idk

[vague abyss]

stop answering bruh

[ripe slate]

in this case of balance changes, it should

[vague abyss]

thx, but can you confirm what I said above about the defines, I read the notes but im unsure if this was already in base game or if any of them are new:

Reworked submarine detection formula, added three new defines related to the submarine detection, SUBMARINE_BASE_STEALTH_VALUE, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER, SUBMARINE_REVEAL_TORPEDO_FIRING_DETECTION_MULTIPLIER

[soft escarp]

No.

[vague abyss]

carriers now cost chromium

[sudden thistle]

When did they not?

I swear they always costed chromium

[vague abyss]

idk i dont think so

maybe im schitzoing

[vague abyss]

i gotta restart my game save they didn't update

also is it me or did we already get a ship reduction in resource cost and now it's even more cheaper

[molten portal]

guys why i have low oraganization

[timid crest]

Is midget sub good?

[ripe slate]

Supply I imagine

[vague abyss]

short range subs

[molten portal]

i think im good supply

[buoyant portal]

sin't that low strenght?

[timid crest]

Ah

[sharp sierra]

yea ur units just arent equipped

look at your equipment deficit

or maybe he means the yellow exclamation

thing

[molten portal]

this?

[sharp falcon]

Big stat

[buoyant portal]

the red traintrack means there is train trafic, what you should try to do upgrade the rail that goes from your capital to that supplyhub

[sharp falcon]

(not space marines only medium flame tank)

[buoyant portal]

that's the cause of the low strenght

[sharp sierra]

yea but im thinking he was talking about the yellow exclamation mark on his units that wouldnt let them attack

he probably just moved those units there

itll go away

[warm thicket]

No chinese were hurt in the making of this empire

[fair horizon]

Weakest finnish units

[rocky basin]

where did my gun and artillery production lines go?

i cant see them

[snow rain]

scroll up/down

if you can't find it, simply click twice there

[rocky basin]

doesnt work

[gentle flower]

Did you click the icon on the bottom right

[rocky basin]

it doesnt work still

[rocky basin]

which one?

[gentle flower]

The bottom one

The one with the plus

And yellow arrow

[rocky basin]

oh yeah thanks man

i thought i clicked everything but missed that one

[faint fiber]

have I played long enough?

[buoyant portal]

too little sadly 😔

[fiery geyser]

anyone wanna play with me histroical?

[snow rain]

not a single achievement in so much time ? that's weird

[snow rain]

#historical-multiplayer

[gentle flower]

You never even joined a faction

[split bane]

Nope
You haven't played long enough until you get all the achievements

[gentle flower]

how have you not even joined a faction on Ironman bro

[buoyant portal]

played modded all year round

[snow rain]

start an ironman game as uk
get 3 achievements immediately

[gentle flower]

bro just go achievement run at this point

I don’t think with that level of experience it would be hard to get all of them

Unless you are like me who spent the first 2000 goofing around with console and didn’t learn anything

I legit struggled in Poland as hist Germany until like 2900 hours

[buoyant portal]

cant really blame anyone for struggling at hoi4

[heavy vigil]

francis wow youre red

[heady bison]

Hows the new beta patch?

[timber laurel]

fascist finland is so op holy

[prisma saddle]

holy moly

[patent mesa]

any tips on the navy as italy?

xD

I tried a submarine build as italy and completly got my navy wiped

[fair horizon]

refit you cruisers

most of them have no armor

[patent mesa]

just full on out cruisers as italy?

[fair horizon]

research radar and better fire control for your battleships

[warm thicket]

I need a cup of coffee. I'm in the all nightie zone.

[fair horizon]

no i mean like your light cruisers have no armor

[patent mesa]

ahh ok

[prisma saddle]

light cruisers my man

[prisma saddle]

submarines got an enormous debuff since last log

ypu put them in the sea they last 2 days

[warm thicket]

Wait are you Japan?

[patent mesa]

@fair horizonDo you happen to know a guide for inf builds? cause I keep doing 20 width and support arty/anti tank/anti air and others. I just need something that isn't that

[prisma saddle]

anotehr one btw

[fair horizon]

i dont feel qualified to tell anyone about anything not pertaining to navy

[fair horizon]

nice

[fair horizon]

torp destroyers?

[patent mesa]

ahh right, I did a submarine build where sub visability is low and I tend to wipe the axis navy with that

as gb

[fair horizon]

someone pick me a country to play

[prisma saddle]

what?

[prisma saddle]

man

idea

wait

@fair horizon

https://spinthewheel.app/european-countries-in-1936

use that

[fair horizon]

that was big suck

[split bane]

Maybe remove the countries without focus trees from the wheel

[finite plume]

Many a' Urban

[fair horizon]

nah i mean i tried ireland

[finite plume]

All must be Urban

[fair horizon]

they couldnt land on the island but germany and america teamed up

[fair horizon]

what cities did you put in iowa?

[finite plume]

I haven't gotten there yet...

[fair horizon]

smh

you dont even know any i bet

[finite plume]

Either way if Des Moines is the biggest city in Iowa then god help y'all 🙏

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[finite plume]

Geography's very satisfying tho

Very easy to understand

[fair horizon]

why is it so accurate 😭

the cities

not the counties

[prisma saddle]

lmao

[fair horizon]

wait why is there mountains in iowa

[prisma saddle]

i give another free skip

[finite plume]

Hills

The terrain's base game for now

[fair horizon]

oh i thought those were mountains

[prisma saddle]

a londra si parlerà italiano

[finite plume]

Imagine expecting anything other than flat fields in Iowa 😔

[buoyant portal]

are ya making a mod?

[finite plume]

Also Wayne's there cause that was the original province for Omaha

But I was too lazy to change it so I just renamed it

[fair horizon]

chat which bulgaria should i go?

[finite plume]

Yes

[prisma saddle]

kinda fast before 1941

[prisma saddle]

3 empire

[buoyant portal]

what's it gonna be about?

[finite plume]

Modern day but actually fun

[buoyant portal]

time for roman empire...

[fair horizon]

bulgaria on the 3 seas?

[finite plume]

Not railroaded like TFR but not overly complex/realistic like MD

[buoyant portal]

the problem with md is not that its complex, it's just boring

[finite plume]

Yeah

I want my mod to be more sandbox and such

[buoyant portal]

you spend 7 years trying to fix your dying economy only to reach 2007 and have twice as much debt as that country has today

[finite plume]

It starts in 2025 so I'll have more creative freedom I feel

[split bane]

It's a bit weird that NYC, Brooklyn, and Queens are three separate cities
Especially since two of those are boroughs of the first

[fair horizon]

this one?

[buoyant portal]

to make a fun hoi4 mod just make it similar to vanilla: a building phase, some early wars, then big conflict

[finite plume]

I just split the NYC area so it looks more dense than just one city

[finite plume]

I wanna generally avoid a hard-coded big conflict

So I essentially wanna focus on more regional wars

The big wars should be player-driven only

[prisma saddle]

YES

[fair horizon]

power to tsar boris then

[buoyant portal]

imo that's the fun part of hoi4, some conflict escalating into a mass world war

[prisma saddle]

take that world

[buoyant portal]

that hopefully isnt a three way war

[split bane]

Fair, but maybe you could just make NYC one VP and have urban tiles surrounding it? Maybe? Or just make all boroughs separate VPs?

[finite plume]

And then a small country turns it into one

🙏

[prisma saddle]

ITALIAN RAJ HERE

[finite plume]

The way I make urban terrain is that it has to have 10 or more VP's (>600k population)

[buoyant portal]

me when britain randomly decides the soviets fighting the germans are a threat and should be attacked (they are gonna mass leave the western front to focus on the soviets)

[upper delta]

Anyone happen to know if state AA prevents/disrupts logistic attacks?

[finite plume]

I usually calculate population by Metro area for big cities, and county area for small ones

[prisma steppe]

switzerland yet prevails against the weak italian

[finite plume]

For example, I felt like making this part of the Bay Area Oakland would be kinda wasteful, as Oakland wouldn't even reach 10 VP's

So I just added up the population of the region and made it one city

Thus making the Bay Area worth more

[split bane]

I feel like there should be some major conflict that players can look forward to
That's why people like TFR, it might be railroaded but they got big wars for players to build up for
You should keep that in mind for when you're thinking of content for your mod

[prisma steppe]

you fellas know that devastation overhaul mod, do thineselves know if you can increase the devastation?

[finite plume]

I have some wars in mind

[tiny iris]

I spend so much time trying to create a mod only for it not to work when I started the game.

[finite plume]

Like Russo-Ukraine War, Iran-Israel War, etc

[tiny iris]

Why is the world so cruel?

End me from this misery.

I hate everything.

[finite plume]

What were you trying to edit?

[prisma steppe]

modding is easy in hoi just very tedios

[finite plume]

It's very repetitive

[split bane]

Uh
Were you in debug mode by any chance?
I think you need to be in debug when editing stuff

[prisma steppe]

yeah but thats the fun part

[tiny iris]

Wait.

I didn't use notepad++.

I used the regular.

[prisma steppe]

my brother in chirst we stare at maps doing the same stuff over and over again

[finite plume]

Yeah you needa use Notepad+ or Visual Studio Code

[prisma steppe]

thou shouldnt complain about repetitivness

[finite plume]

Cause HOI4 needs specific file formats/encoding

[prisma steppe]

true individuals use the editor

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-get-a-load-of-this-guy-look-at-this-guy-come-on-bruh-gif-18066748999193463069

[prisma steppe]

its like map painting just without the iting

[modest grail]

i just realized that i was editing templates that are on the field and ruining my production

[prisma steppe]

huh

that doesnt even concern thine production

[modest grail]

i edited my template and i had 1800 tank deficit for no reason

[prisma steppe]

but that has nothing to do with production

just a bit of deficitmaxxing

[modest grail]

but when i made a duplicate and edited it , i still have stockpile

[prisma steppe]

just have more tanks shrimple as that

[jade ore]

map pan 🔥

[fair horizon]

i thought bulgaria got a focus that gave them 2 ports on every black sea tile they owned?

[prisma steppe]

-i

i mean +i

[modest grail]

im playing as japan and nothing seems shrimple

[prisma steppe]

as japan you can steamroll the whole of asia with 2 widths and suffering /2 casulties as china

[modest grail]

how

[finite plume]

I HAD TO DRAW THE US'S PROVINCES BY HAND

[prisma steppe]

where is the khiva province?

ah i see it

[finite plume]

🥀

[prisma steppe]

the see

sea*

kinda deflated tho

[finite plume]

It's gotta go see a doctor

[prisma steppe]

nah the bullet does the job too

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-scared-meme-gif-17957807826502066848

[prisma steppe]

or a high velocity ibuprofen pill with lead encasing

the fact that us individuals have image perms is truelly a test of fate

[safe wing]

Why…

[prisma steppe]

@median juniper i am ready for mai daily 1 hour dose of muting

[cold frigate]

what is historical yugoslavia?

[safe wing]

Do nothing , die to Germany

Then go communist under Tito

[prisma steppe]

bombed place

[cold frigate]

alr bruh

what should i play

im too trash to play germany

[prisma steppe]

play as croat and bomb serbia

play italy -> release thineself as croat and keel yugo then liberate serbia, and declare war and endlessly bomb them with thermos and nukes

[grave sonnet]

True

[tiny iris]

I hate my life.
I worked so hard on that mod, my first mod.
It won't work.

[prisma steppe]

for added fun add the devastation overhaul mod

very fun mod

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[prisma steppe]

(except when germany stalls the eastern front and loses 23 million infantry equipment in 9 years)

[cold frigate]

what country do i play

[safe wing]

Tannu Tuva

[cold frigate]

im ass and keep dying as germany

[prisma steppe]

italy -> croatia

[safe wing]

Luxemburg

[lilac python]

Guys I Js bought hoi4 what do you genuinely do when you run out of supplies 🫩

[prisma steppe]

or play britains bith in northern amerika

[prisma steppe]

die.

[lilac python]

Oh well damn

[prisma steppe]

or bomb serbia

*in game

[safe wing]

Okay I’m going to play Japan

[lilac python]

Just a reminder I lost to Luxembourg btw when I first ever got the game 🫩

[safe wing]

Kodha Japan

Should I delay the war against China or go for it

As Kodha Japan not historical @heavy vigil

[fair horizon]

should i get rid of the imro or keep them?

[heavy vigil]

huh

[winged field]

get rid of if u can

[safe wing]

should I start the invasion of China later or Early as Kodha Japan

[split bane]

What is this even supposed to mean?

[winged field]

it can be annoying with its penalties

[prisma steppe]

he shallth'nth play jhapan but playteth croatia

[atomic grove]

i dont think kodoha changes anything in the army besides probably the generals

[split bane]

Ohhh wait I understand it now

[atomic grove]

u should go for it

especially because its on nonhist

[safe wing]

yeah IK my plan is still to invade China but should I delay

[split bane]

Yeah I just got that
You need some more pixels mate

[atomic grove]

so china will probably like declare war on all of china

[heavy vigil]

why late

[atomic grove]

nah

its nonhist

[safe wing]

so I can focus on building up IG

[atomic grove]

china will be chaotic

[prisma steppe]

paint not very good programm for fast meme creation

[atomic grove]

so take the chance that they arent in a united front

go for it

[safe wing]

I'm on historical though

[atomic grove]

oh

its 1937 right?

[prisma steppe]

all roads (solutions) lead to bombing serbia

*in game

[modest grail]

ive got 30 hours on the game and ive tried to kill china like 10 different ways and failed everytime lol but my strat is getting more and more complex and im getting close

[safe wing]

January 1936 ATM

[atomic grove]

whats atm

[safe wing]

in game

[prisma steppe]

3 steps really easy

[atomic grove]

oh

wait

[prisma steppe]

1 step only do inf equipment and train and maybe trucks

[atomic grove]

ur planning to go kodoha and fight china in 1937?

[prisma steppe]

2 step design 1 battalion inf or cav

3 step build 5k of those divs

[atomic grove]

if u cant kill china in 1937