hoi4-general

[heavy vigil]

theres some dlc/update in ck3 that lets you play stateless

and i liked doing that

[patent thistle]

bismarck was a good battleship sure but it was also not the king it was made to be

[proven scroll]

sounds pretty good tho

is vic3 good ?

[heavy vigil]

warfare bad, economy / pop management sim with poor performance

[proven scroll]

damn

[heavy vigil]

imo its fun but you have to be a massive nerd

[sly venture]

this is lowkey sad

[proven scroll]

you wanna know some

im also unemployed so the game is not ready for me

[fathom shard]

german volksreich is so useless but it's still pretty cool

[viscid mason]

Can confirm vic3 runs like a slideshow in the second half of the game.

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-angry-gun-firing-gif-15986910

[ember sparrow]

Surprise question for everyone here

whats the answer

[inland falcon]

It's not about having a use, it's about being an option

[ivory hull]

yea why are you even using the starting cavalry, mountaineer and motorized div

[sly venture]

because it works

[winged field]

screw it we ball, the first answer

[ivory hull]

bro converting them to inf would literally be better

[sly venture]

am too lazy

[fathom shard]

it brings you nothing

[ivory hull]

its genuinely 1 click away

[fathom shard]

it just changes your name, flag and color on the map

and grants you 2 years of the early game wasted

[heavy vigil]

didnt even use #ask-for-help-here or #off-topic smh

[sly venture]

socrates how bad is this from 1/10

[inland falcon]

But you CAN do it

[ivory hull]

horrible

[inland falcon]

And I think that's kinda cool

[inland falcon]

Quit the game ☝️

(I'm kidding its fine)

[ivory hull]

remove the aa and you want 10 of those spgs and 8 motorized

[fair horizon]

Sunk the hood and then got sunk somehow managing to do less than every other german battleship during ww2 and tirpitz sat in port the whole time

[sly venture]

i dont have motorized yet i will switch em later

[ivory hull]

take out the aa tanks tho

make it 36w

[patent thistle]

thats why the scharnhorst and her sistership are the true goats

[fair horizon]

Tbf i consider the panzerschiffs to be better than bismarck

[patent thistle]

let me remind you these 2 were the only battleships which won against a fleet carrier

[inland falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-spin-seal-spinning-seal-swirl-seal-swirling-seal-circle-gif-13046315469741975259

[patent thistle]

one of them (lützlow formerly deutschland) were one of the few ships still in sailable condition when germany surrendered

[fair horizon]

Its kind of a shame glorious never got to retaliate against the two battleships

Even more of a shame that the survivors were left in the water

[patent thistle]

still a feat for themselvs

[fair horizon]

Love the HMS Acasta though

Charged them and hit a torpedo on scharnhorst

[patent thistle]

scharnhorst i am pretty sure wanted to save them but the was under strict orders to not engage the british which were almost garantied to launch an retalitory strike

• it was damaged already which would have been even more of a risk

[fair horizon]

They were under the impression that they radioed the rest of the british fleet

[patent thistle]

a valid concern

[fair horizon]

But they were on radio silence since they were evacuating norway

Still think bismarck is overrated tho

[patent thistle]

i am not justifying actions taken i am simply naming reasons why they didnt intervene

[patent thistle]

true

it was a good battleship still but it wasnt the "monster of the sea" people make him out

i especially get "mildly" annoyed when people are being so delusional that they think bismarck could have had won against an iowa or a yamato

[fair horizon]

It would have been if it got into the atlantic

But it was a stupid plan to begin with

[fair horizon]

Depends on the range really

[inland falcon]

why would you name a battleship after objectively the worst state

[patent thistle]

the whole reason it even got through is because again the true goats (scharnhorst and gneisenau) managed to sink a crap ton of convoys

[fair horizon]

Bismarck was a good design (basically a modernized ww1 design) but it could probably win if it went in its favor

[patent thistle]

when they broke into the atlantic

operation berlin i am pretty sure it was called

[grave sonnet]

Because when it sinks it will remind of how bad that state is 👍🏼

[fair horizon]

Iowa is the best state you poser

[inland falcon]

nothing would be lost and nobody would notice if Iowa disappeared tomorrow

[fair horizon]

Apollyon is a nebraskan, i can feel it in my bones

https://tenor.com/view/iowa-scream-scream-if-you-love-wwe-wwe-scream-gif-712136759786834990

[grave sonnet]

"The World would cheer if Iowa was gone."

[inland falcon]

i keep waking up in different states and countries please help

[patent thistle]

thats why i call them the true goats

[fair horizon]

Its kinda funny how a country who wasnt the most innovative design wise was so good at commanding naval missions

[crude grotto]

yo guys should i get EU5 or CK3?

[fair horizon]

Like bismarck is literally just a mdoernized ww1 design

[patent thistle]

tbf the british did kinda do that to themselvs, they constantly gutted crews from warships to other ships

[crude grotto]

CK3 is like $20 rn

[fair horizon]

Umamusume pretty derby

[crude grotto]

already got that twin

umamusume is awesome

[uncut pollen]

no nazi flags/imagery please.

[patent thistle]

i literally just showed a wiki article my man what the hell am i supposed to do about that?

censor it?

[azure walrus]

how does one bungle africas this bad

istg cant trust the ai with jack

[tulip thorn]

yes

[uncut pollen]

Yep

[fair horizon]

Average italy ai

[azure walrus]

germany was there too

[frail venture]

Wtf do I even do in this game

The tutorial just doesn’t help

[uncut pollen]

Click buttons

Stare at map

[inland falcon]

invade people and stuff

[drowsy karma]

You commit war crimes

[viscid stirrup]

would you rather brutally kill one person or double it and give it to the next person?

[grave sonnet]

What if I do neither?

[viscid stirrup]

hmm

[patent thistle]

happy -_-

[restive sable]

click buttons, watch the colors on the map change and pretend to know what you're doing

[uncut pollen]

Yep

[drowsy karma]

Double it and give it to the next person

(So you see if I double it and everyone else says double it, then it will eventually come back to me and be a ton of people)

[viscid stirrup]

in that case, imagine a train is about to run over a person. you cann either let that person get run over, or you can change the direction of the train, in which case a different person will have to choose between running over TWO people or doubling it and giving it to the next person

[viscid stirrup]

how can you garantee that everyone will double it?

[grave sonnet]

I'll just go into the train and stop it 👍🏼

[azure walrus]

pushing into the ussr

[weak quarry]

guys im doing cossack king on rt56, any div templates that are good?

[drowsy karma]

Gambling

[viscid stirrup]

the train is too fast for you to get in

[grave sonnet]

Then I'll ask it nicely to slow down then I'll get in

[drowsy karma]

Anyways how do you assign Civ Factories to a building, I’m invading Australia and my supplies are so low that 200 DIVS CANT DEFEAT 2

[viscid stirrup]

one person might pull the level while youre on the tracks

[weak quarry]

guys im doing cossack king on rt56, any div templates that are good?

[ripe slate]

same as vanilla, see pins in #ask-for-help-here

[fair horizon]

Bro just like invade the port cities what

[wide osprey]

can anyone tell me how can any people on earth be "semi-forced" to buy something by people a few countries away from them?

[wide osprey]

🧐

[ripe slate]

it was in a bundle

[wide osprey]

and why people say these are bad models

[fathom shard]

did the new dlc make commie china easier or harder

[wide osprey]

that's what they mean by "semi-forced?"

[ripe slate]

easier and more fun

[fathom shard]

how so

[fringe shell]

gng stop attacking🙏

[fair horizon]

Because it doesnt have my favorite boats

[ripe slate]

About the same actually, both let you annex the nationalists for free

[fathom shard]

i meant early game expansion

[fair horizon]

PARADOX YOU COWARDS GIVE ME A SARATOGA MODEL

[ripe slate]

DLC tree has fun border wars, though splitting the warlords might make things more complicated

[fair horizon]

pls :3

[fathom shard]

alr ima try it out

whats a good strategy for it

[wide osprey]

not to die

[azure walrus]

LOOOL

so i was playing historical japan right?

I pushed to the needed states

demanded ussr's conditional surrender

and they surrendered those states you see me controlling on the map right?

then, sicne their surrender progress reached the needed point

they surrendered to the germans

but then instantly sought my protection

so I got all of Russia

for pushing into a few siberian states

meanwhile Germany didnt get a single thing

lmao

is it cheating if I clean up these borders with state transfer tool

[fathom shard]

yes

[ivory hull]

no

[ripe slate]

no

[sudden grotto]

so when i am the enemy they just unlock Super saiyan blue

[ripe slate]

isnt that the school teacher they made a general for no reason?

[sudden grotto]

wha-

"Italian teacher, journalist and anti fascist leader"

holy italian moment

[safe wing]

Trotsky moment too

[ivory hull]

light tanks?

[safe wing]

Trotsky had little military background before 1918

[sudden grotto]

in 42?

[safe wing]

And yet he was a big reason the reds won

[ivory hull]

even worse

[grave sonnet]

The Siberian train

[patent thistle]

lexington model*

[sudden grotto]

why

tghey good for taking terrotories

[ivory hull]

just make mediums

bro

[safe wing]

They are gonna be adding Bosnia in the next 1212 ad update

[ivory hull]

just so much better

[sudden grotto]

i got 2 :D and 7 lights

[rapid furnace]

i didnt know that you can get mussolini as leader in kr

[grave sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnia-gif-2291869677917452302

[grave sonnet]

Kr mentioned ❤️☝🏼

[ivory hull]

is it like 38?

[safe wing]

You can but he is a different Mussolini

[sudden grotto]

he follows the traditional socialism before becoming fascist

[sudden grotto]

their tech ?

[ivory hull]

in kx he can form rome as malta

[ivory hull]

as germany you can easily have like 16 medium tank divisions in 1939

[wicked narwhal]

no

[ivory hull]

wdym no?

[quiet vessel]

no

[sudden grotto]

yeeeeeeee but i didnt

[ivory hull]

what is the design of the light tank div?

[fair horizon]

Shush you

[sudden grotto]

u dont wanna know, its for the greater good of your sanity

[patent thistle]

no i shall not

[patent thistle]

why do you have such an obsession with saratoga btw but dont give a dam about lexington-?

[ivory hull]

light tank spam can be good

[patent thistle]

they are quite litterally the same class of ships-

[sudden grotto]

beautiful

250k

[fair horizon]

Idk i just like the saratoga

survived the war i guess

[azure walrus]

how they flip red

[heavy vigil]

hiii vendrip

[knotty vortex]

how do you remove independence debts as the congo

[raven lava]

Hey guys, Mengkukuo tree yet?

[pliant ginkgo]

Would yall recommend Sweden as a good nation

[ivory hull]

play kaiserredux

[west cypress]

i like your pfp

[pliant ginkgo]

I want some time to build up my navy and practice

[knotty vortex]

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS

somebody tell me how i get rid of that

80% consumer goods is OUTRAGEOUS

[obsidian sigil]

Oof

[patent thistle]

if i was yugoslavia in this timeline i would just ragequit 🤣😭

[west cypress]

lowk amazing borders

[obsidian sigil]

Its an event chain you probably select the risky outcome and got unlucky

[patent thistle]

let me guess albania or bulgarian?

[obsidian sigil]

Not vanilla

[west cypress]

bulgarian

[patent thistle]

expected that

[obsidian sigil]

Is that kaiser or great war?

Nis province in vanilla looks terrible

[sudden grotto]

turks reached vienna but at what cost

[knotty vortex]

i chose to pay the belgians for independence

[patent thistle]

i shall make hungary rage quit

[knotty vortex]

but i swear that only gives debt national spirits

[obsidian sigil]

No, strikes can apply to any nation

As long as u have under 50 stab

Theres a chance you will get it

[knotty vortex]

my stabs 59%?

[obsidian sigil]

Maybe not when it popped up

[patent thistle]

thats some nice oil

[obsidian sigil]

d-what

mods these days

[robust vale]

Yo not that badtbh

[obsidian sigil]

Give oil or i turn you lesbian ahh

[patent thistle]

wut-? you accepted the oil rights thing and yet you still refuse free territory romania?

[obsidian sigil]

Why is romania chinese

[fair horizon]

Strikes 💀

[patent thistle]

blame road to anime for that

(the portrait mod i use)

[fair horizon]

I missed this sorry Hiii casey

[heavy vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-pleading-dog-sitting-wagging-dog-sit-wag-dog-wagging-tail-gif-9627118626940063427

[ivory hull]

whats your reason to use that mod

[patent thistle]

because road to 56 is being a bit to say the least entitled with its portraits making my usual portrait anime mods not work

[fair horizon]

Is funny

Does rt56 work with sigma of iron?

[patent thistle]

german navy doing great

(the pre-dreadnoughts now will officially be used as museums)

[patent thistle]

(because i am not the UK and dismantle any cool historical battleship i have)

[obsidian sigil]

Guh

Is that donitz

lol

[patent thistle]

reader

[obsidian sigil]

Oh wait no

[obsidian sigil]

I cant read

Yes

[patent thistle]

dönitz is only good for subs which i dont use

[fair horizon]

Isnt raeder the sub guy?

[patent thistle]

complete oposite

main archetect of the insane plan Z

[tulip thorn]

The uk should have atleast kept one

Like how the US did

[fair horizon]

I get german leadership mixed up all the time

[obsidian sigil]

Those coastal defense ships are probably gutting your fleets speed

[fair horizon]

Too poor from ww2 unfortunately :(

[patent thistle]

the US keept like 7 or so

[fair horizon]

7

[ivory hull]

thats dönitz

[obsidian sigil]

Although pre dreads are also stupid slow

[fair horizon]

The 4 iowas, texas, one of the south dakotas and i think one of the colorados?

[tulip thorn]

8

And I wish to visit every single one of them

[fair horizon]

Id like to see the iowa

[random needle]

How do I do sea lion

[tulip thorn]

None of the colorados are around anymore :(

[random needle]

Or capture Britain

[fair horizon]

Beat the british navy

[random needle]

Can’t i do the much easier air war

[fair horizon]

Ive never even seen the ocean tbh

[fair horizon]

If you wanna be lame and not do plan z sure

[tulip thorn]

Same

[fair horizon]

Closest ive come to an ocean is lake michigan

[random needle]

Lake Michigan is basically an inland ocean

[tulip thorn]

Closest i've been to a ocean is a huge lake here in colorado

Dont remember the name

[fair horizon]

Nah you can see across the thing from the sears tower

[random needle]

Which one is the big Great Lake

Superior?

[fair horizon]

Superior

[patent thistle]

8,
1 new york class (USS texas)
1 North carolina Class (USS north carolina)
2 South dekota class (USS Massachusetts and USS Alabama)
and all 4 iowa class ships

[fair horizon]

Canadia is on the other side

[knotty vortex]

WHY ARE THE UK HERE JUST GO AWAY BRO I WANT MY FORMABLE

[obsidian sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749998197786542214/1482912374506655765/image.png?ex=69bd4a85&is=69bbf905&hm=fcc106373ef9590fa81ca2832dc9d9e79b56f8df7561759badfd1667acab0ff3&
montana class wouldve had some much aura if they were made irl

[knotty vortex]

no the uk have genuinely ruined it

[patent thistle]

too bad it would have been a waste of resources

[fair horizon]

Monatana being one of the 2 states without a battleship si funny

[knotty vortex]

theyve actually genuinely ruined it

HOW DO YOU STOP THIS

[fair horizon]

I always mess with my friend over it

[tulip thorn]

I will never forgive the fact that the USS Colorado was Scraped

[patent thistle]

the other was alaska right?

[knotty vortex]

wait nvm no they didnt lol

[obsidian sigil]

i mean the us had so many carriers at the end of the war most were a waste as well

[fair horizon]

Alaska had the uh super cruiser thingy

Which imo is a battlecruiser

[patent thistle]

oh hell naw sorry dutch and dänish ships you are fired- 💀

[random needle]

Congo is lowkey really fun

Especially the communist path

[obsidian sigil]

Isnt sms hungary

Eh idk

[fair horizon]

Its funny because my friend is from montana and im from the coolest state (Iowa) so i always get to mess with him about it

[knotty vortex]

ive honestly just been freestyling it, i went down like building a strong bond with belgium to better myself as a nation then peacefully broke away and joined the allies

[patent thistle]

one of my friends is from north carolina

[knotty vortex]

how do i get this land from the UK?

[obsidian sigil]

We are uuuuhhh planning a new battleship rn….ig if thats cool

[patent thistle]

whats your opinion about that? @fair horizon

[obsidian sigil]

it will get instantly cruise lolmissiled by china tho

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-neutral-gif-8034848

[slow vortex]

Hello everyone I just got general edition Im wondering is the only extra dlcs I need to get now NSB and BBO?

[fair horizon]

Now if it was nebraska id have some few choice insults to throw their way 😉

[patent thistle]

these are now moved out of active service

[fair horizon]

I also keep ship trophies

[patent thistle]

but they shall be put under protection so NO SCRAPPING

[obsidian sigil]

The larp

[patent thistle]

overkill into heavy attack?

[obsidian sigil]

I just use old ships to patrol less important regions

[patent thistle]

(i have 2 of these)

[turbid thorn]

can someone help bruh

[jaunty grail]

which is better for soviet union? im new

[steel spear]

Left I think

[fair horizon]

Seems kinda low ngl

[patent thistle]

dispersed

[obsidian sigil]

?

[steel spear]

U get more output

[fair horizon]

Concentrated

[turbid thorn]

i need france

i can get it or nah

[jaunty grail]

i got ppl telling me different things

uhh

[obsidian sigil]

Who r u

Germany?

[fair horizon]

Concentrated is more output

[turbid thorn]

it

[obsidian sigil]

If u in axis then yeah

U can declare

[fair horizon]

Can you delcare on vichy?

[obsidian sigil]

I dont think they can join allies

[obsidian sigil]

Yeah

[turbid thorn]

in general people can help but in a channel what created for question cant

[patent thistle]

oh, hell, naw-

[fair horizon]

Vichy can join the allies but you can roll over them

[patent thistle]

usally vichy doesnt join the allies due to free fr*nce being a little b-

[jaunty grail]

how do i get rid of political paranoia

[hollow oak]

stalin?

[fair horizon]

last time i played byzantium i took them over and they were in the allies with free france

[jaunty grail]

ye

[azure palm]

My navy has 152k Manpower. Thats more than small nations have soldiers

more than manchuko currently has

[little ocean]

I have a question. I'm playing in Modern Age mode, how do I make a plastic rocket?

@azure palm

[fair horizon]

kinda small navy

[little ocean]

??

[azure palm]

I dont know

[azure palm]

299 ships

[patent thistle]

that dam anime litterally follows me everywere-

[azure palm]

have been focusing on destroyers

[fair horizon]

🤏 navy

[azure palm]

I have 199

[azure palm]

yes, I know

could be bigger

[patent thistle]

hold my carriers and battleships

[fair horizon]

improved carrier 🤮

[azure palm]

small

[patent thistle]

who needs destroyers if you can have CLs

[fair horizon]

waited too long to build carriers

[patent thistle]

i can litterally get one out fairly early

[azure palm]

I have 4 carriers and 6 battleships and 3 battlecruisers

[patent thistle]

that shit

[azure palm]

I only have them for submarines

[fair horizon]

i usually dont go above the historical names for australian ships

[patent thistle]

also no i did not get myself the shitty AI design

i did that tick when you rename ships into the class that you are supposed to get through this decision

[fair horizon]

cheater 😠

[azure palm]

Small Navy Man

[fair horizon]

why wont war thunder give us a butler class destroyer 😭

[patent thistle]

because the snail does not give a dam about the navy

[azure palm]

better question, why wont warthunder give its players a lobotomy?

[fair horizon]

im getting a new usa battleship so

[fair horizon]

have you seen german mains?

[patent thistle]

because the snail knows they dont make nearly as much money as in making a shitty jet premium

[azure palm]

yes

[patent thistle]

why the flying f- does belgium have a navy-

[vocal bolt]

colonizers

you need ships to enslave people on another continent

[obsidian sigil]

When i get on hoi4 ima need to show my navy in my USA campaign cause yall thinking some improved carriers are tuff

[patent thistle]

the dutch got repayed for their loyality

[fair horizon]

YOU TURNED THEM DUTCH

THATS A PUNISHMENT

[patent thistle]

the belgians? yeah they deserve it

(no front bittersteel btw)

[obsidian sigil]

Its a gift to no longer be belgium

[patent thistle]

belgium is an artefical state

[fair horizon]

so is the netherlands

[obsidian sigil]

So is 75% of counties

[patent thistle]

eh atleast they have been around for a bit longer then belgium

• an own identity

[fair horizon]

not the good ol usa 😎

[obsidian sigil]

hand on shoulder buddy

[patent thistle]

you are quite litterally a state created because you didnt want to pay taxes only to now have to pay taxes anyways

[fair horizon]

We beat the british for our freedom

[fair horizon]

beat the world's strongest power at the time to do so btw

[obsidian sigil]

I mean the british kinda just gave up

[azure palm]

6 Million dead Chinese in the Chinese-Chinese War

[fair horizon]

general howe took that L

[obsidian sigil]

Like jamaica was more valuable

Then the states

[patent thistle]

with help from the fr#nch and the spanish*

[fair horizon]

nah they were busy fighting for gibraltr

[patent thistle]

and no the help they provided was NOT minor

[fair horizon]

john paul jones could have beat the royal navy with a few ships frfr

[patent thistle]

so dont pull that card

[obsidian sigil]

This dude supports the usa new missile battleships lol

I bet

[fair horizon]

i mean yeah but only because it should be real battleships

battleships are cool

go ahead and deny it

you're wrong

[patent thistle]

they are inherently missle cruisers you cant prove me wrong

[fair horizon]

i hate that you're right

[obsidian sigil]

The unreliable but 50000 in number chinese hypersonic missiles:

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[patent thistle]

the type of battleship has died out because how the ships are being used

[fair horizon]

air warfare killed the battleship 😔

[heavy vigil]

battleships will make a comeback

[patent thistle]

the same way the kirov isnt a god forsaken battlecruiser its just a big missle cruiser

[fair horizon]

why did america have to invent planes 😭

[obsidian sigil]

Even tho they have less aura at this point naval combat has devolved into torpedo boats but with missiles instead

[patent thistle]

i highly doupt that

[tulip thorn]

I could only hope

[patent thistle]

way too expensive to produce for it to essencially become a big target

[obsidian sigil]

China is at least smart with it and spamming hundreds of small shitty missile boats

One ac dead and the American public will uproar

the taxes 💀

[fair horizon]

DONT TOUCH OUR BOATS

[patent thistle]

i am sorry to say that to you battleship fanboys (same here) but the iowa class will properly never be reactivated to fight in an actual conflict again

[obsidian sigil]

Buddy

[tulip thorn]

Well ofc they wont

[obsidian sigil]

Look at our shipbuilding industry

[fair horizon]

its available to even right now

[tulip thorn]

They are old and way to legendary to be put in harms way again

[obsidian sigil]

Korea can make more ships than us

[heavy vigil]

you dont see the vision

[grizzled zenith]

Budapest is rightful Transylvanian Territory

[fair horizon]

tonnage

[tulip thorn]

But new battleships arent completely out of the question

[obsidian sigil]

We have 2 or so shipyards that can make big ships

[patent thistle]

the complete idea behind a battleship is being a ship of the line

[obsidian sigil]

Like

[patent thistle]

and taking punishment

[fair horizon]

big ships are a thing of the past

[obsidian sigil]

Tonnage as u said

[patent thistle]

which is with anti-ship missles basically impossible

[heavy vigil]

big transport vehicle with armor and guns

[wide osprey]

i almost got stroke trying to see through this blurry mess 😟

[obsidian sigil]

We dont have many small shipyards as well

[patent thistle]

by the time it got out of harbor the enemy already launched a shit load of anti ship missles at it

[grizzled zenith]

That's just how Mongolia in 1955 plays

[obsidian sigil]

China korea and japan lead in dockyards, even if civilian, as they can be converted for military use

[patent thistle]

and anti-ship missles do not tend to care about armor

[heavy vigil]

no, its because the range of our weapons has increased but the frontier hasnt

[patent thistle]

PLEASE, tell me you made that with horses?

[heavy vigil]

like, if the distance stays the same, and you travel faster/more efficiently, and dont need huge long term logistics onboard

[obsidian sigil]

Logistically we are already at our max carrier output unless we make more bigass dockyards, and for a massive naval theater we still need mass dockyard construction

[heavy vigil]

small weapons have always been better at that

[grizzled zenith]

No, I was too lazy

I'll do that next time with horses

As Mengukuo I guess

[fair horizon]

the arguement for the galaxy class in star trek

[obsidian sigil]

I honestly think the time of fleet carriers is over

[sudden grotto]

nice KD ig

[heavy vigil]

thats why battleships and now carriers are falling out of fashion, our small tech has the capabilities too

it will make a comeback if we decide to stop fighting over earth

[fair horizon]

i dont see carriers are anywhere near their end

[obsidian sigil]

It is much better for smaller carriers or even cruisers that have vtol landing pads

[fair horizon]

and carry like 12 aircraft

[heavy vigil]

logistics are too easy

[obsidian sigil]

If the carrier dies u get none

[heavy vigil]

like, too fast

its easier to use transport planes usually

[obsidian sigil]

And u cant replace

[fair horizon]

do you just think that carriers are put out to sea without support groups?

[obsidian sigil]

Like the war will exceed ww2s length before we mass produce carriers

[fair horizon]

we have no reason to mass produce fleet carriers

[obsidian sigil]

Problem is if you sit carriers that far back

The fighters wont have range

[fair horizon]

they're big and expensive and one is usually enough for most operations

[obsidian sigil]

We already have island and naval bases in the first island chain

[fair horizon]

but i dont want to argue this

[heavy vigil]

also keep modern politics out of doctrine discussion fyi fyi

[obsidian sigil]

But a carrier in the first island chain would instantly be swarmed by missiles

[patent thistle]

anyways its time UK thats what you get for denying me my colonies

[fair horizon]

modern ships are very good at taking out missiles

[sudden grotto]

russiaw tf 💔

[obsidian sigil]

war is a numbers game

[fair horizon]

not only that but the actual planes on the carriers can deal with missiles too

[obsidian sigil]

What happens if the interception missiles run out

[fair horizon]

down with the royal navy

[fair horizon]

you launching a few thousand at a carrier group?

[obsidian sigil]

German tigers could take out any soviet/allied tank

but they still lost

[obsidian sigil]

China might

[vivid juniper]

New best as Germany

[obsidian sigil]

Only one needs to hit

[fair horizon]

multiple

most destroyers can take multiple hits nowadays

[vivid juniper]

Non-aligned Britain appeared so we dominated this game

[obsidian sigil]

And then be in repairs for 2 years

[fair horizon]

depending on the damage

[obsidian sigil]

It isnt ww2 where some dudes can go overtime and fix yorktown in a week

[patent thistle]

get dunkerqued

[fair horizon]

i mean most destroyers can easily intercept a hundred missiles and thats before other countermeasures

[snow rain]

if you're new, alwaus pick dispersed
but know that concentrated is best

[fair horizon]

like i think you're looking at it in a very black/white view

[obsidian sigil]

@fair horizon in simple terms, we are using ww2 german strategy. Fast war, quality assets. But the second the war is attritional, we can be outproduced

We might or might not

[fair horizon]

i mean you assume one side is taking losses and one isnt

[obsidian sigil]

But assuming we wont be is not prudent

[fair horizon]

im not assuming anything, im using pattern recognition and history to approximate what would happen

[terse skiff]

concentrated is much better than dispersed

[obsidian sigil]

And as per soviet/modern Chinese manufacturing, a bunch of shitty but replaceable assets is still better than a neutralized irreplaceable asset

[terse skiff]

it also teaches you to stop overmicroing your production line

[patent thistle]

france get out this sea zone is for the big people

[rotund chasm]

Does rule 4 apply to israel flag yet?

[heavy vigil]

in what sense? you can have it in your profile

[rotund chasm]

Is it not controversial

[heavy vigil]

any official flag is allowed, same for palestinian, iranian

[fair horizon]

hard to argue this point without breaking server rules so im just gonna stop here as its pointless

[terse skiff]

there is no irreplacable asset

rule number one of engineering is you thing will break

[woeful knoll]

The worst focus path in hoi4

You get to balkanize yourself

And then u dont even get a special formable

[fair horizon]

wrong

[woeful knoll]

the international union just gives stability

Paradox pls fix

[fair horizon]

spare the bearn

[woeful knoll]

Based navy enjoyer

[patent thistle]

oh now i am out for blood, these f***ers got a lucky shot :/

[inland falcon]

someone doesn't enjoy larp

[woeful knoll]

Its impossible to larp

[fair horizon]

YEAAAAHHHH GO RODNEY

[woeful knoll]

i want to larp as trotsky international union

it just gives u stability and useless releaseables

[inland falcon]

the union is stronger without belarus and the caucuses

[azure palm]

what are these admirals and leaders and I assume Generals?

[woeful knoll]

Capitulate france before you deploy navy as germany

[fair horizon]

UNNEEDED

[woeful knoll]

yes needed

[patent thistle]

thats why i said i am out for blood

[woeful knoll]

annex vichy/buerbon france

free french navy

[fair horizon]

british treaty battleships ❤️

MARJIN WHY

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure everyone in some way bullied the treaty

[fair horizon]

yeah but the nelson and rodney were designed in accordance with it

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure the US straight up said "defensive refits? doesnt count"

ludendorf revenged her sistership

[fair horizon]

NO CORE POP?

[patent thistle]

france entered the battle only to get destroyed

hard

ah i see what the f***ing plan was france sacrifice your ships so the UK can swoop in and get 2 more lucky shots

clever, very, clever.

[tulip thorn]

Your ship hp is at like what 70-80%

[fair horizon]

wouldnt matter, the cruisers have no armor against battleships

[tulip thorn]

Because in the end it didnt even matter

[patent thistle]

i have to go repair now because the UK

[obsidian sigil]

Bros enjoy navy a bit too much

[carmine sinew]

i dont think this is supposed to happen

[patent thistle]

believe me the UK WILL pay for the losses i took

one way or another

[fair horizon]

navy fun

oml look at that supply

[patent thistle]

oh right its a french puppet now

[fair horizon]

casey you said this would be fun

[patent thistle]

hehehehehe

[fair horizon]

did the bearn survive?

[patent thistle]

i didnt kill it yet but it most likely got into free fr*nch hands

[fair horizon]

oh yeah it does

[heavy vigil]

it is... you get foci for stuffs..

[fair horizon]

its such an ugly abomination but i really do like the french's try

[heavy vigil]

your starting eco is bad

your later eco is also a bit bad but you get a cool civil war

and it can escalate into a cool regional war

[fair horizon]

CASEY YOU SAID IT WAS FUN

NOT CIVIL WAR

[patent thistle]

i got the 2 great fr*nch battleships

[heavy vigil]

you can do the not civil war path ig

it exists

[obsidian sigil]

The uk sunk my enterprise

[patent thistle]

HOW DO YOU LOSE A NAVAL ENGAGEMENT AS THE US-

[obsidian sigil]

I mean i still naval invaded them

And took their fleet lol

[winter tapir]

tel aviv impressed

[vocal bolt]

are you kiddig me

I tried to take austria before germans took it as cze

they last standed so goddamn much that they stalled enough to get eaten by the germans

screw this

am just gonna redo the thing

[grizzled zenith]

Bruh what is happening to my game

Does it hate me so much?

[patent thistle]

TOLD YOU I WOULD RETURN UK

HAH

F for the british fleet

[terse skiff]

where did the british admiral go?

[patent thistle]

gone ig?

[fair horizon]

poor warspite

[patent thistle]

ludendorff truely was out for revenge holy shit-

HOLY-

[fair horizon]

ark royal 😭

[prisma saddle]

good?

[patent thistle]

ludendorff be that angry brother which sister got bullied rn-

[heavy vigil]

personally i just do cannons

but ita right?

just dont make them

[prisma saddle]

yes

[prisma saddle]

why

[heavy vigil]

because basic is bad

better to rush everything for improved

[fair horizon]

german battleships are guys according to bismarck's captain

[heavy vigil]

and youll get it in like 1938 as ita

[prisma saddle]

yea but better tahn not pruducing naything

[heavy vigil]

with all modules

[heavy vigil]

guns?

navs?

[prisma saddle]

what?

[heavy vigil]

your mils

they dont have to be on fighters/cas

even cas is fine because it doesnt go out of date as badly

[patent thistle]

actually, the admiral that had control of the bismarcks orders did not believe it was unsinkable. lütjens was actually really pregmatic

the "sink the bismarck" movie did him really dirty

[fair horizon]

no it was basically doomed from the moment it set sail

[patent thistle]

and he knew it

[fair horizon]

ive never even seen the movie cause ngl it bores me

rt56 y u do dis

[terse skiff]

all i remember is the movie has that very gay scene where the admirals say "this is a great day for the germany navy" and the other one says "it's also a great day for us"

[heavy vigil]

is the soviet navy redeemable

its so bad

[fair horizon]

no

[heavy vigil]

i was like well at least theres subs

out of 59, 50 of them are sub 1s

[patent thistle]

not when you put stalins admirals in charge

[heavy vigil]

i could go fascist XD

[patent thistle]

nah the tsar is the only true path

https://giphy.com/gifs/russia-tsar-nicholas-ii-CzCx6lkhx9aFdtTkOj

[fair horizon]

cool flag

[patent thistle]

ah playing that nation i see?

[fair horizon]

casey told me to

[heavy vigil]

its good content

[patent thistle]

it honestly is pretty fun

[terse skiff]

Stalin's admirals are actually amazing cuz there is a sea wolf and a bold guy

[heavy vigil]

wait the far eastern fleet is just 2 dds

i never knew

this is so cooked

[patent thistle]

you missed the point. 🤦‍♂️

[fair horizon]

well they only had 3 bbs casey

[heavy vigil]

i will refit this fleet

it will be good

[patent thistle]

and 2 heavy cruisers in construction

[heavy vigil]

lowkey soviet navy build might be fun

idk what path tho

[patent thistle]

it can be fun

[patent thistle]

tsar

now.

[heavy vigil]

fascist or right opposition

or tsar ig

i dont wanna have more cores

nation already too large

[patent thistle]

you can just go and be nice

and garantie your slavic brothers

[heavy vigil]

no ill probably like lose land and just let it be

[patent thistle]

you dont lose any lands actually

[split bane]

Right Opposition

[heavy vigil]

civil war breakaway states

[patent thistle]

just declear on them

easy

[heavy vigil]

what if i dont want to

[patent thistle]

then dont

[heavy vigil]

right oppo is kinda fire too tho

or left

wehh

[patent thistle]

if you want to do soviet navy i suggest murdering turkey and romania early tho

[heavy vigil]

i cant choose so ig ill go democratic

[fair horizon]

go rome casey

[patent thistle]

give me something to play

[heavy vigil]

do navy russia

fun

[patent thistle]

the 99th germany run is getting boring

[fair horizon]

central america

[heavy vigil]

hmmm

debating left opposition

its so bad tho

[fair horizon]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[patent thistle]

lol-

[patent thistle]

i do that like every russia playthrough unironically

[heavy vigil]

ok fine ill go tsarist

canr decide

[patent thistle]

if you really want to do demo russia do r56

[heavy vigil]

no

r56 sucks

to play

[fair horizon]

this is without a focus

[heavy vigil]

winning

[patent thistle]

final offer, naval ukraine+

[fair horizon]

naval bulgaria

[patent thistle]

in r56 you for some reason get and i am not joking all the soviet BBs

[warped spindle]

Hello 😄

[heavy vigil]

have tried before

[heavy vigil]

no but like

road just sucks

meta wise

[patent thistle]

f- it we ball danzig

[safe wing]

uhh I wish you the best...

[heavy vigil]

its so good if you dont look closely

[maiden bolt]

guys i need 3 more bucks so i can get the new dlc someone help a brother out 💔

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dr-evil-how-gif-19601238

[maiden bolt]

its gambing time

gambling

[heavy vigil]

im actually gonna refit subs i dont even care

[safe wing]

So your gonna risk loosing money

[patent thistle]

its okay if you dont look at what these ships actually are

[heavy vigil]

ill refit trust

making some extra docks rn

[patent thistle]

good luck with 2 knts vessels

[maiden bolt]

for this dlc yes

[patent thistle]

cause if you plan to refit engines might elsewell build new ships

[heavy vigil]

its chill i just want subs to have better torp

so i can pretend theyre serviceable

[safe wing]

I meant with the gambling

[patent thistle]

one tipp, if you do this, dont take the AI designs, make designs with that exact name cause if you do that the IC is added to these ships and not the crappy AI design

[heavy vigil]

i know how to exploit it but i highkey might never do the naval tree

and its also just 2 ships

[terse skiff]

oh i never do that, it's just sad that when that happens i'm already researching modern bbs

[patent thistle]

ye but i rather have usable ships then the crappy ai design

[patent thistle]

2 battlecruisers are 2 battlecruisers

[heavy vigil]

if i really wanted that id have invaded turkey

thats like 6 surface ships or something

its fine

[patent thistle]

you do you ig

[heavy vigil]

i know how to make navy

you just cope with the tech you have

usually cope with dockyards

ill make some dockyards, and the navy will work out

[inland falcon]

Five. Hundred. Light cruisers.

[patent thistle]

if you think you are useless remember that R56 danzig has this guy

[heavy vigil]

your focus requires research

i dont have that

[patent thistle]

its litterally the basic battleship

[terse skiff]

yeah but why would i research navy as ussr

well except for 1940 naval invasion tech

[fair horizon]

At least you can do something with them and make them screen a carrier ig

[sly venture]

japan you dont have to do this i know how it will end

[azure walrus]

has anyone played the russian empire liechtenstein path

in rt56

[fair horizon]

Cant convince fake navyers to build real ships 🥀

[azure walrus]

as japan, should i carve this land up into the cool puppets? its not like i benefit from holding on to the land

and the puppets here have unique names

[fair horizon]

Free factories

[azure walrus]

its siberia, what factories

[fair horizon]

Ones you build

[azure walrus]

why not make puppets that can build them for me

then annex them

isnt that what this focus lets me do

or is it not like the eu

those puppets can do their default focus tree

and get more infrastructure, factories, and build slots in the land

wait

[fair horizon]

No clue

[azure walrus]

do one-state puppets do their tree

industrial tree

[azure walrus]

wait no that doesnt matter

considering every one of those siberian puppets can have two states

[terse skiff]

They do it very late

[azure walrus]

its not like im low on time

but fair

i do have low attention span

so probably not good

[azure walrus]

isnt the branch they start with randomly chosen

so thats a pretty solid chance they do their industrial foci

i can also boost their construction speed

with the pan-asianism tree

this one

[lime mist]

Hey guys ive never played a grand strategy game and Im wondering if Hearts of Iron 4 is worth trying. Does anyone have anything to tell me about it that I should probably know also is it complicated

[restive sable]

this is going nicely

[ripe slate]

Id say its not complicated but it takes a while to get used to

[lime mist]

Alright also are the dlcs worth it

[ripe slate]

Yes, but only on good sales

general edition for example is great

2 decent DLC for €3

[lime mist]

Alright thx for ur help

One more thing, how muchc an I speed up the time in game?

[woeful knoll]

Very worth trying

it seems very complicated but its simple at its core

and when you learn hoi4 you will love all grand strategy games

[ripe slate]

depends on your PC if you run max speed

[lime mist]

Cool

[woeful knoll]

i started with hoi4 now i play paradox games all day

[inland falcon]

if you're gonna pause to micro, 5 speed

[lime mist]

K well I think ill try it so thx

[woeful knoll]

come back here for help after you lose

[lime mist]

Lol

Alright

[lime mist]

Speaking of losing, is there a continent or country I should either choose or not choose to start as

[terse skiff]

Follow guide in pin of help channel

[lime mist]

K

[terse skiff]

Or bittersteel's newbie Germany guide

[azure walrus]

carved the eastern ussr

and whats cool is that these puppets are all at the lowest level of autonomy on release

unlike any other fascist country

[exotic bridge]

yes

[azure walrus]

so it would take slightly less time to annex them thru autonomy system

[woeful knoll]

Play germany/italy to get a feel of the game

You will make a lot of mistakes and lose

Then fix ur mistakes by playing other countries

[lime mist]

I just saw him recommend italy

[woeful knoll]

and by that point u will be a pro

[lime mist]

k

[exotic bridge]

just play germany for a while it's by far the easiest nation to play

[lime mist]

Alright

Also for my first time should I actually start in 1936 or should I go in 1939

[woeful knoll]

never play 1939

[exotic bridge]

36

[lime mist]

K

[exotic bridge]

it teaches you what to do and build your economy

[lime mist]

oh

[woeful knoll]

1939 is bad because the entire point of hoi4 is what if and in 1939 u cant do that

also its broken

and just sucks to play

[floral anchor]

i finally bought hoi4

[exotic bridge]

wdym finally you haven't bought it already?

[lime mist]

Will the game teach me more as I play cuz this guide is 1 hour

Ill prob watch more alter

[exotic bridge]

yes as you play you will learn things

[woeful knoll]

Watch hoi4 youtube videos

[exotic bridge]

to this day with hundreds of hours I am still learning a lot

[woeful knoll]

U dont even need guides

just watch entertaining hoi4 videos

[lime mist]

Oh ok

[woeful knoll]

they will teach u

people like isp, bittersteel, etc

[floral anchor]

nope js bought it ive watched videos of the game (though i dont understand anything i think the game is peak)

[errant rivet]

Just learned navy✌️

[exotic bridge]

proud for you bro

[errant rivet]

thanks so much bro, only took 2k hours

[exotic bridge]

I'm not on that level yet most I can do is 2 cruisers and 22 destroyers in one battle

[azure walrus]

is vichy france coded not to do ts focus

[woeful knoll]

i think they do it very late game

i seen it happen once

but by then they r dead

[errant rivet]

damnnn bro thats still good, the screenshot I did was 1919 so I still didnt have carriers there

39*

[azure walrus]

i wonder what will happen if i do it for them

[woeful knoll]

they get all of france back

[azure walrus]

germany can say no tho

[woeful knoll]

yea but why would u do that

[azure walrus]

idk im not germany

im japan

[digital aurora]

I wish there was a middle grould between dispersed and concentrated industry, like i want the increased output but i don't need the bombing reduction

[azure walrus]

but if germany does case anton, then free france gets the african colonies

and thats not what i want

[woeful knoll]

i think germany is supposed to give it back

like hardcoded

tho

[azure walrus]

alr then

[woeful knoll]

concentrated industry just needs a buff, only reason to take it is for more build slots but for most nation swhere u need that you will be getting bombed by your enemies as u are super small and weak

and dispirsed gives u production efficiency buffs too

[digital aurora]

and retention, which is why i go dispersed

even as the soviets when ALL of my factories are far out of range from german bombers

[woeful knoll]

concentrated industry should be giving production buffs too at the very least

[fair horizon]

Its more factory output

[wise bridge]

how did you figure it out

[fair horizon]

5% more per level than dispersed

[woeful knoll]

i would hohnestly say that the no factory bombing and production retention is better then 25 more output in total

[wise bridge]

i finally learned how to do navy in the old version and as i figured it out they do a whole naval rework

[fair horizon]

You can stop factory bombing by putting planes in the air btw

Production retention only works when you switch from say tank 2 to tank 2

Not tank 2 to tank 3

[digital aurora]

idk though, i would really like that production for my 36th width tank divsions

[woeful knoll]

just make light cruisers with just seaplanes and a few destroyers into spotting fleets, no engange, then have main fleet/deathstack on strike force for 90% of nations

the naval dominance system is better for big countries but horrible for small ones

[fair horizon]

If you have carriers and set their planes to spot you dont need surface detection

[digital aurora]

but then again the production retention is kinda moot as im producing BT-7's basically constantly, since i use them for my light tank units then i keep them for my Light-Tank Recon

[azure walrus]

lowkey cant thank the americans enough for not jumping me even though they had a wargoal on me since the incident with the boat

[woeful knoll]

never knew that

do u need spotting planes for that

[fair horizon]

Naval bombers work

Its the last job they'll do however

[azure walrus]

germany pulled off a naval invasion before i could

[digital aurora]

I used a bunch of naval bombers, torpedo bombers and maratime bombers to just destroy japans navy as the soviets, it did take several years but i was able to sink their capitals by strat bombing their dockyards to slow down repair and striking them in port

[wise bridge]

germany naval invading anything other than norway is a miracle itself

[woeful knoll]

bro germany is so broken because they are coded to not do any big navy and even if they go monarchist route high seas fleet path they still dont build a navy

[digital aurora]

But i sadly couldn't take out japan since they had 146 divisions on their home islands (i went to war with them after WW2 so they only had their home islands)

[wise bridge]

ai germany is also broken because they stay on mefo bills even if they dont take fascist path

you have to manually set it to eco growth path

[woeful knoll]

• never do autarky

[azure walrus]

how can I put my planes in german-occupied airports

[woeful knoll]

and btw since ncns they are utterly inable to do anything besides france

they cant push to minsk on a good day

so they take 20m casualties in east poland and die by 43

[digital aurora]

Except Hokkaido which i took as a puppet, but even after nuking them and rushing i couldn't even cross the sea crossing

[azure walrus]

they did a fine job pushing to the a-a line in my current game

[wise bridge]

i think they buffed soviet ai as well

it builds up a 3m man army by 43 i think

or 41

[woeful knoll]

soviet should have a reserve system

and germany should have a barbrossa focus tree

they literally get multiple focuses for invading allies but 1 for soviets and its just the wargoal

[wise bridge]

idk about a focus tree

[azure walrus]

vichy france thinks it's tuff

[woeful knoll]

something like desperate measures

[wise bridge]

i think unlockable decisions are better for germany

[digital aurora]

I agree, i when i play as the soviets i always make "reserves" which are basically fully trained armies (24 divisions) in the deployment que I also think a reserve system in general for countries could help reduce countries just spamming infantry divisions

[wise bridge]

i like how naval bombers became meta after the naval rework because nobody cared to relearn ts

[woeful knoll]

literally just give them a manpower cap with a national spirit or lock them to voultenteer until desperate measures

then a decision to spawn divisions

[heavy vigil]

it doesnt work like that

if you have static AA it also reduces bombing

BUT its mutually exclusive with disp buffs

and also youre missing out on significant factory output

[woeful knoll]

by the time u get to the final industry tech u have like 3000 factories

it rlly doesnt matter enough to not go desperate

[digital aurora]

I don't think so, as in 1939 the soviet military already had a draft in place so volunteer only wouldn't be accurate

[lime mist]

Can someone join a vc and help me out im kinda confused

nvm

[fair horizon]

Depends on what country you are and if you have the ability to expand or have build slots for it

25% extra output is insane either way

[lime mist]

How do I know who im at war with

[uncut pollen]

Right click on your country

[lime mist]

Alright thx

[floral anchor]

How do i know when the game is starting bc I've tried starting it and nothing happens

[woven gate]

i made the 3rd biggest air force on earth as Australia

[uncut pollen]

In the upper right conor there should be the date

If it advances

[woven gate]

can i become aussie yet

[uncut pollen]

Your game has started

[fair horizon]

No go play commie australia and win the air war

World conquest

[woven gate]

shouldn't be too hard

[floral anchor]

Ive tried opening by double click but still it doesn't open

[woven gate]

i can pump out air insanely fast

[uncut pollen]

What?

[fair horizon]

Without the air production buffs? Without a plane mio?

[azure walrus]

how

[woven gate]

i don't have an MIO

i don't have that DLC

[woven gate]

satellite them i wanna see what happens

[azure walrus]

ok

[floral anchor]

Yea it doesn't open like i double click in then the steam loading game stuff and then nothing

[junior panther]

hello hoi4 community!

[prisma sierra]

hi

can anyone help me on loading up the great war redux mod

it just loads into the vanilla

[wise bridge]

you flip the switch in the mods tab

[safe wing]

This was a cut faction or concept btw

[azure walrus]

dont cut things get left out of the game

[safe wing]

Usually

[deft tangle]

I'm invading Britain as french kingdom in Kaiserreich

I'm having my ass kicked

Better put, I'm TRYING to invade Britain but I'm being destroyed

Had a nice beginning with 250k men pouring into their south and occupying the the whole coastline and all ports, but then their relentless push forced me to evacuate my whole army

My poor italian allies lost 240k men in that ordeal

[wise bridge]

kaiserreich britain has nothing to defend other than the home islands themselves

[obsidian sigil]

@fair horizon @patent thistle THIS is a navy

[wise bridge]

so they stack the island with troops all game

[deft tangle]

Exactly

That makes it ass to beat them

They just keep throwing endless hordes of men into my landing forces

[sudden grotto]

half of my army mp lol

[deft tangle]

I'm confident this is the exact experience the usa would have if they iunvaded japan in ww2 lol

[obsidian sigil]

a significant part of the japanese army was in china or south east asia in ww2

they wanted to conscript the remaining civilians in the defense of the home islands

the plan is truly horrific

not to put up extreme resistence

just to make squashing whatever resistance they put up a horrific massacre of civilians

so that the usa would stop cause they dont wanna murder schoolgirls armed with only bamboo spears

[deft tangle]

Holy shit

I knew they were stubborn but didn't expect them to be that much

I wonder if it was truly just stubborness or if it was mostly pride, like "We're losing, but not without almost every one of us fighting to death"

Crazy stuff

Here's my staredown with Britain

[obsidian sigil]

samurai spirit

[deft tangle]

They'll throw dozens of divisions into my landing party as soon as they step foot there

[obsidian sigil]

after hirohito surrendered some officers tried to coup him