hoi4-general

[exotic bridge]

barqs is the superior root beer

that is a crazy opinion tho

coke solos dr pepper

[fair horizon]

i regret agreeing with you

coke dont even beat diet pepsi

[tulip thorn]

Dr pepper is my favorite

Single best soft drink

[tulip thorn]

I once again got to agree

[vital cove]

neither is good

[tulip thorn]

If I had to pick i'd take the diet pepsi

I wouldnt be the happiest about it, but its more drinkable than coke

[vital cove]

simply fruit juice>>>any type of cola

[heavy vigil]

its really sweet iirc

[tulip thorn]

Seems right

[heavy vigil]

the cherry like flavour is nice but its been like so long since ive had it

[jade ore]

to each their own but i find coke and pepsi tastes similar but coke is slightly better when both have ice

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[tiny iris]

You're a mod, can't you give me the role?

[vital cove]

clueless

surely that's how stuff work

do you go to random companies amd ask people to employ you

[tiny iris]

Casey is so well known here so I am sure he will become an admin and when he does, I just have to beg every day till he gives in.

[vital cove]

instead of applying

[tiny iris]

I did apply but I have yet to get an answer.

[vital cove]

then wait

[vital cove]

surely admins are players

and not. y'know. pdx staff

[tiny iris]

You have to sign a contract to get moderator.

Casey is technically Paradox staff if you think about it.

[vital cove]

yea that's standard for being a moderator for a company

[cedar lance]

hello

[ripe slate]

Only an NDA so employee sounds a bit much

[tiny iris]

Casey promised me the helper role but he didn't give it to me.

Can you give it?

[ripe slate]

No

xD

Thats up to Chak+I dont have role permissions

[tiny iris]

I send a ticket, I have yet to get an answer.

[amber matrix]

wdym unknown ✌️😭

[ripe slate]

Its something Chak is in charge of so we all cant answer

[vital cove]

they disappeared without a trace nobody knows what happened to them

(the nkvd got to them)

[amber matrix]

NKVD diviziya

[ripe slate]

Doesnt unknown include naval casualties from sharks?

[vital cove]

???

[heavy vigil]

yes

[vital cove]

LMAO

[heavy vigil]

real game mechanic btw

[ripe slate]

Hey Casey

[vital cove]

what how where

[heavy vigil]

hiiiiiii marinjnf n ij=mairj marinjn marijn

[amber matrix]

🧟‍♂️

[heavy vigil]

sea modifier that shows up sometimes

its like +100% deaths in navy or something

maybe less

[ripe slate]

Hey Cayse cayse sacey 🤟

[vital cove]

that's hilarious

we have sharks

but not diseases

(besides india)

[heavy vigil]

sharks tho

[heavy vigil]

its a hard name to spell

[vital cove]

we need pow mechanics in game

[ripe slate]

Skill issue

[ripe slate]

Cant wait to paratroop raid to fight them out

[vital cove]

hi close air supportey

[heavy vigil]

hi haafr

[heavy vigil]

i think youre overlooking the real issue

we could have whales and fishing

or birds

birds causing plane crashes

[vital cove]

true

we lowk need food mechanics in game

[ripe slate]

Casualties:
Whale: 1

[blazing mirage]

Maybe we send out birds causing a enemy plane to crash

[heavy vigil]

dont we do that already with surface to air missiles

its not exactly a bird but its pretty close

or drones but those arent in the ww2 timeframe

btw surface to air missiles in game are so terrible its actually sad

[blazing mirage]

Low cost solutions but has cons of destroying our own planes

[exotic bridge]

got a lot more territory in south america

[vital cove]

wait

we could have dolphins

dolphin fighters are a real thing

and it was in ww2 iirc

it didn't work very well but

they did try it

[blazing mirage]

Maybe a mod that prioritises in using animals to fight

Anybody here remembers that Elefant in metal slug

[vital cove]

ok im misremembering

it only started later

[ancient fern]

God damn, on the capital too

[exotic bridge]

how's this for 1943?

[ember vine]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[vital cove]

can you core south Africa with imperial fed

[ancient fern]

How did you end up behind the german lines

1961 game rn, only fought 1 way like 25 years ago (guess the country I am playing)

[exotic bridge]

uhhh a lot... was not even my plan at first

[exotic bridge]

you mean winning a war?

[ancient fern]

Just confused how you ended up in prussia before westrn germany

[exotic bridge]

well in the beginning austria was being a stubborn bastard and wouldn't join and vichy france wasn't involved yet so my only option was the east with the soviets

just a giant roadblock

I'm doing good tho

by the time the allies cross the rhineland I've already occupied all of germany

have no clue how I'm winning my planes are gone

[heavy vigil]

every dominion besides raj

[vital cove]

hmm
but unlike the other dominions, saf has to approve to get cored?

[fair horizon]

do you core it with lord halifax?

[vital cove]

no

[fair horizon]

not even parts of it?

[exotic bridge]

I WON

YES

[vital cove]

nope

[heavy vigil]

you should try brasil btw its like australia if it was strong

starts very bad but lots of scaling

you get navy from eating up south america

[exotic bridge]

ww2 is over

1943

[viscid sleet]

ok so, i just took japan and this first imagine is essentially commie japan and commie usa "surrounded"
second, surely those troops are now just part of the meat grinder with no industrial complex or man power to feed it? and also convoy raid the ocean so usa cant resupply

thats how this works hey?

[heavy vigil]

what

what are you saying

if the units can supply in the manchukuo exclave/pocket?

because they can supply as long as theres a supply capital

[viscid sleet]

yeah they may have that small country, but no japan industry, and if i convoy raid and prevent usa supplying, they sound just then become cannon fodder?

[fair horizon]

i have, did a world conquest as them

felt sorta cheaty

100m manpower is cheaty to me because you can just throw manpower at problems

[viscid sleet]

100m damn

[iron iron]

I spammed everything in the decision tab to get man power

I meant war support

To change conscription

[viscid sleet]

im at 800mill late game germany, still fighting usa and about to fight commie uk and india, lots of manpower to fight

what do you do when you have researched everything?

[fair horizon]

brazil can core all of SA

[viscid sleet]

that would be a sick game

[fair horizon]

its quite strong

[hybrid star]

I want to continue playing with Atatürk. How can I bypass or break the event? Or do you know if there’s any mod for this?

[sudden thistle]

It’s canon

The goat will always leave

But there may be a mod literally called “atatürk lives”

[hybrid star]

Atatürk was a true visionary leader. His legacy still lives on, and thank you for your support

[rustic fern]

Hello👋

I'm new in this server

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-evangelion-gif-26133217

[hybrid star]

welcome

[obsidian sigil]

is this a glitch

[heavy vigil]

i never left limited conscription

[ripe slate]

Welcome

[heavy vigil]

thats different

[heavy vigil]

and central america too

[fair horizon]

Probably could have gone down to voluenteer tbh

[heavy vigil]

no...

civil war was defensive war tho

so mmm

5% people

honestly

civil wars are so good now for minor nations

[honest night]

Yeah with how doctrine works now being able to get desperate defence as a minor is so nice

[viscid sleet]

holy shit, that was from just part of my japan/usa fleet

[heavy vigil]

sucks for hist finland

[honest night]

Yeah hist Finland has like no manpower till war basically now

Max you can field is like around 24 divs as Finland

[heavy vigil]

even then they nerfed mobi speed by like 90% factor

finland is just cooked

unplayable </3

[viscid sleet]

casey you and that vampire guy helped heaps ahha

[honest night]

Oh damn I didn’t even notice that’s crazy

[heavy vigil]

well idk if that much but like

its nerfed a lot

[honest night]

Well only hist atleast the other paths are still strong

[heavy vigil]

all mp games are hist smh

[honest night]

Democratic Finland underrated

[languid saffron]

3 puppets

[heavy vigil]

in sp its fine

[honest night]

There’s some good non hist lobbies

[heavy vigil]

you can get a civil war for 5%

if ahist

like who cares

just go fascist or something

[honest night]

Most servers don’t allow fasc Finland for obvious reasons

[heavy vigil]

busted nation :D

but it did get nerfed a lot

[honest night]

But I do also wish paradox made it so the host Finland could get just a bit more mp now they are lacking desperate defense

Like hist Finland should be able to go up conscription law before war

[heavy vigil]

finland is just not playable with winter war

[honest night]

Yeah unless Soviets is a total idiot

[heavy vigil]

i liked winter war because soviets can kill you if they just use any amount of armor

but now its like

they dont need armor

you dont have units

[honest night]

even worse if they naval invade

[heavy vigil]

nah thats fine

you have to roach helsinki regardless

[honest night]

You have to spend mp on port garrisons

[heavy vigil]

finland is strong

[honest night]

If you lose any port your just gonna get snaked to death

[heavy vigil]

well like

you can still do the naval focuses for marine spawn ins ig

[viscid sleet]

and again

[heavy vigil]

but it sucks

[heavy vigil]

not a real finland player

[honest night]

Naval focuses are really bad ngl you won’t be ever able to get sup

[viscid sleet]

and again ahahah

[honest night]

How? You get naval invaded by 12 mountaineers and live?

[heavy vigil]

you always hold helsinki at least?

if you dont have enough units you hold less

[honest night]

Yes but that’s not the only port

[heavy vigil]

ok?

but you need helsinki and 1 other vp to live

so who cares

[honest night]

Yeah but if that’s all your holding your cooked anyways

[heavy vigil]

its annoying for wide hold

[heavy vigil]

not rlly

you can still get your buffs

and 200 weekly mp

[honest night]

yeah but you lose like all of the manpower you have

[heavy vigil]

with 24 divs i wouldnt dare hold more

[honest night]

200 weakly mp isn’t as much as you think

[heavy vigil]

nation is 3 mil

helsinki is like

1 mil or 500K or something

[honest night]

Like atleast half of your pop is huge

[heavy vigil]

one sec checking

[heavy vigil]

half your pop to hold 90% less tiles

you get more mp per tile

[honest night]

Soviets can then just bp you till you run out of manpower

[heavy vigil]

ofc

they can do that with large hold more because you dont fill width

especially now

like what

[honest night]

If you hold regular line they can’t do this because they have no supply

[heavy vigil]

it depends on server rules but if theres no restrictions you just cant hold far forward lol

[honest night]

Im not saying frontline you can fallback in some places but not as far back as your saying

[heavy vigil]

logi strikes, possible paras, naval invasions

its very toxic

[honest night]

Not a single server allows logi strikes

If you have intel you can check if they have paras which they don’t 99% of the time

[heavy vigil]

try holding this area

3 states are half your core pop

[heavy vigil]

no big servers but some do

[heavy vigil]

soviets start with it

[honest night]

Only servers that would are no disc lobbies

[honest night]

They don’t build them tho

Like players don’t

I personally love paratroopers but most of the community doesn’t use them apart from to try and vp snipe France

[heavy vigil]

bad image but imo what youd hold

[honest night]

Also something interesting I thought of is can the ai even use paratroopers I’ve never seen it before but I don’t play much singleplayer tbf

[heavy vigil]

they dont in vanilla but sheep said they have code support for state based dropping

[honest night]

Oh that’s pretty cool

[heavy vigil]

which sucks because its not by tile

but yk

[honest night]

Also in the lines you have here you can shorten it by moving line 1 or 2 tiles forwards in some places

But imo holding this line is asking for Soviets to 1 tap you no matter what

I haven’t seen anyone hold that line tbh

[heavy vigil]

prob but i cant really see from screenshot

different colours for going back

[snow rain]

and yeah, holding kupio supply hub is best

this is the desperation line

[honest night]

Lol

if Soviets have a collab on your do you cap if that’s all your holding?

[heavy vigil]

you dont have manpower

[honest night]

I would assume so

[heavy vigil]

well yeah but then they waste a collab

[snow rain]

you kinda do
I'm talking singleplayer btw

[honest night]

Collab isn’t a waste on Finland tbh

[heavy vigil]

in singleplayer you can do 1 div per tile

[snow rain]

I know I did when I went for the achievement (no mass mob either)

[honest night]

It’s more industry than Baltics and more safe during Barb

[heavy vigil]

francis are my naval doctrine picks good or garbage

for what i usually do

[snow rain]

I honestly don't know

I can't remmeber which do what

[fair horizon]

I find it easy to get defensive wars though. Just declare on a garuenteed nation and you get one

[merry compass]

Is there anyway i can hire trotsky as stalin advisor

[honest night]

That isn’t a defensive war btw

[languid saffron]

You can make trotsky as norway leader

[fickle agate]

why cant rocket rails on planes do damage to boats

WHY

[fair horizon]

The one garuenteeing it causes a defensive war last i checked

[fair horizon]

Because boats dont care about small explosions on the side of their armor

[blazing belfry]

what??

[fickle agate]

you do realize there is actual historical use of it and it actually worked

like shoot the deck

[honest night]

If your guarenteing Poland and Germany declares it’s a defensive war for the one guarenteing

[snow rain]

it would do very little damage anyway

[fickle agate]

funny roleplay against stupid ai

[fair horizon]

Ill have to check next time i play but mabye its specific wars. I dont play majors

[mellow parrot]

Yemen was building up

[foggy scaffold]

That isnt a mod if you're asking

[ripe slate]

Welcome

[finite plume]

Bangladesh is attacking my opp (India) so I'm helping them

Feeling like America and Israel rn ngl

https://giphy.com/gifs/500-cigarettes-firepeg-qOSNC24lvEWTzplsJJ

[winter badge]

100 billions cigarettes

[blazing belfry]

we find out in 2 mins if czechoslovakia teaser comes out

[fair horizon]

Czech players 😡

[blazing belfry]

no... hoi4... teaser...

[fair horizon]

They ruined it

[foggy scaffold]

?

[fair horizon]

That was my australia dlc teaser or w/e

And they stole it

All so they can give up the sudetenland to germany

[gaunt garden]

Hallo!

I'm new to hoi4

[blazing belfry]

you fooled me! by reacting my comment with the eyes emoji!

[foggy scaffold]

I find it funny that I was able to actually survive as Poland by falling back to a river with forts and then when they got into a certain area I encircled like half of their army.

[lofty shore]

Poland you say?

[vocal bolt]

czech tree needs some reworks

alot of stupid 70 day focuses

[foggy scaffold]

Poland is goated.

[woeful knoll]

Wait until i tell you

[lofty shore]

lmao

[woeful knoll]

guess whats happenig

[vocal bolt]

it takes 70 days per country to invite people into faction lmfao

[foggy scaffold]

So does Britain the US and france.

[lofty shore]

I just took poland as czechia lol

[woeful knoll]

Poland got buffed

[lofty shore]

truly beautiful

[vocal bolt]

70 dayfocus to join comiterm too lmao as if you dont get invited when the second you go commie

[woeful knoll]

idk how but they are way stronger

[foggy scaffold]

Id have more fun playing as the Netherlands than france or the Uk

They need their focuses reworked

[gaunt garden]

I have a question,so basically what's the non aligned ideology and wh
Why does it exist?like why isn't there more ideologies instead of making it into one big non aligned one

[foggy scaffold]

Non aligned is

Neutrality?

Idk

[gaunt garden]

In my opinion there should be absolute and constitutional monarchy and republic so that you know more Abt the country you are playing

[fair horizon]

UK is fun if you rule brittania

[woeful knoll]

OMG

NEW DLC

AUSTRALIA DLC IS OUT

[gaunt garden]

I played Napóleonic France and I invaded Belgium and they got paris✌️

[fair horizon]

Those juicy arms to encircle germans in 🤤

[foggy scaffold]

Uk rework when.

usa rework when.

[lofty shore]

im in the axis lmao

[fair horizon]

If i get up and it isnt im going to be very angry at you

[lofty shore]

I got 92% of the war score against poland

[woeful knoll]

#hearts-of-iron-news

ITS OUT

THE AUSTRALIA DLC IS OUT

[foggy scaffold]

Thats another onr pretty sure

[solemn bay]

IT IS?

[woeful knoll]

CHECK NEWS

[foggy scaffold]

I dont think it is.

[gaunt garden]

I'm so shitty at hoi4 but I'm new

[south spear]

USA rework would have worked great with the japanese rework

[woeful knoll]

Dont play france its severely underpowered

[south spear]

What if you play fascist USA and have puppets like japan

[foggy scaffold]

Thunder at our gates is the one with Australia isnt it???

[solemn bay]

I see nothing

[south spear]

make oversea colonial subjects

that are special

[woeful knoll]

its the only country in the game that is as weak as it is irl

[fair horizon]

Someone get a cross, we're crucifying this dude

[foggy scaffold]

There really should be more for the US

[fair horizon]

WARSHIPS IN THE PACIFIC ISNT THE AUSTRALIA DLC

[honest night]

That’s not Australia

[fair horizon]

I GOT OUT OF BED FOR NOTHING

[woeful knoll]

what is it?

[foggy scaffold]

I said that

[gaunt garden]

My strategy for now is take random soldiers you have give em generals put at border just spam offensive in war

[solemn bay]

They should emus as cavalry for Australia

[honest night]

It’s just a ship pack nothing large, also Czechs is getting updated before aqua

[south spear]

Btw dont take anything I say serious, I am an EU4 player, HOI4 isnt my main game

[gaunt garden]

Idk how to do navy and airforce much yet

[south spear]

but would be cool HOI4 special subjects kinda thing

for USA

[foggy scaffold]

But Mann I just want a US rework and a UK rework

[south spear]

just how japan have

[foggy scaffold]

Russian democracy focus??

[cedar lance]

OH BABY

[foggy scaffold]

Theres only 1 Istg

[south spear]

they should remove the tsarist path and make democratic path

[foggy scaffold]

And how tf do I make it so that russia becomes green and doesn't stay its original colour the entire game

It annoys tf out of me

[south spear]

tsarist path in ww2 times after a big bloody revolution is the most unrealistic and dumb thing

they should remove it and make a democratic kerensky like path

[fair horizon]

I want an australia royal path

[foggy scaffold]

Ok yea sometimes if I defeat russia and I make them democratic/non aligned

They turn green

But sometimes theh dont

I dont get it

I actually dont understand it

[south spear]

thats the least problem thats in that focus tree

you can just download a colour mod

and colour it green or red or blue

[gaunt garden]

Guys I have a question,how long does it usually take to understand hoi4,I have been playing for a month and for now I understand how to dominate waters and how to make armies and divisons

[foggy scaffold]

Also abiut the Uk rq.

Ive realised

The only way to get England

Is making them a fascist puppet

Or something

And releasing scotland and Wales and N.I

So why not for others.

[south spear]

I understood the game kinda since i started playing it, cuz before starting to play it I already had some kind of understanding from youtubers like tommykay and feedbackgaming
But I learned how to play and care for the navy 1000 hours in

[foggy scaffold]

Isn't feedback in drama

[south spear]

🤷‍♀️ dont care

[foggy scaffold]

I swear I cant go on youtube without seeing youtubers i watch be in drama

[south spear]

his videos are pretty educational

[foggy scaffold]

Colonel cam

[south spear]

i can

[fair horizon]

feedback isnt a good person to learn from unless you wanna do infantry + cas spam

[south spear]

hell yea

I actually do space marines alot

and cas spam

[foggy scaffold]

I actually love at the start of the videos learning about history

🥹

[gaunt garden]

My most fun nations for now are
1.hungars
2.ussr
3.iraq
4.germany
5.checkoslovakia
6.italy
8.bulgaria
9.poland
10.austria

[fair horizon]

this dude has played australia 👍

notice how it isnt top 10

thats because its bottom 10

[south spear]

im recently playing serbia in victoria 2 and i learned to love it

[steel wadi]

Will peace for our time include romania and yugoslavia or just czechoslovakia?

[south spear]

in mp

[safe wing]

Tsar path is unrealistic agreed but by that logic most of the other alt history paths should be removed too

[south spear]

but like thats the most unrealistic one ever, the others are more possible

[foggy scaffold]

Lowkey so why is the balkans colour always like, black.

[south spear]

lacking a democratic path

[foggy scaffold]

When forming the balkans.

[gaunt garden]

Is this based?and do y'all have any questions for the list?

[south spear]

but having a tsarist path

[safe wing]

Mapuche path is even more unrealistic

[south spear]

is very unrealistic

[coarse hull]

i am john hearts of iron

[south spear]

atleast mapuche people exist

[south spear]

nice

[fair horizon]

wait a minute... thats not the color of the usa

[safe wing]

True but them leading a native rebellion and retaking the whole USA is alt history fanfiction

[foggy scaffold]

Am I the only one that thinks that the colour of the balkans is strange.

Like forming it

😭

[torpid jacinth]

wth

[leaden mulch]

poland being so low on the list is wild

[coarse hull]

i hadnt even declared war yet i just knew it was over

[torpid jacinth]

anyways guys when is the new dlc comming if yall even know

[safe wing]

And Greece restoring the Byzantine empire with Adolf Hitler with amnesia at its head

[coarse hull]

the warships one is out now

[steel wadi]

?

[south spear]

2Q 2026

[steel wadi]

soon

[coarse hull]

just the czechs as far as i know

[foggy scaffold]

Lowkey Czechoslovakia rework

[torpid jacinth]

yeah cosmetic pack tho i dont even know how naval works

[steel wadi]

zamn

[cedar lance]

WOTP is only 5 euros or usd

[south spear]

what can you rework in czechoslovakia tho

[foggy scaffold]

Wait

[gaunt garden]

Hungary since the monarchist and axis path are op
USSR cuz of alt history and all of the easy invading and all of the people killing
Iraq bcuz of the counqering stuff
Germany cuz fascist stuff
Chechoslovakia cuz little entente
Italy cuz of free land
Bulgaria cuz of united Balkan federation
Poland because polish Lithuania
Austria because Austrian empire

[steel wadi]

romania and yugoslavian focuses are old tho

[sly venture]

is this a good template

[lofty shore]

welp I just took moscow as czechia

[coarse hull]

everything needs a rework

[south spear]

but they dont need rework

[fair horizon]

no

[lofty shore]

love this game lol

[foggy scaffold]

Theres gonna be a dlc for Czechoslovakia yugoslavia and romania?

Is there actually

[torpid jacinth]

if you wanna play czechoslovakia try rise of the lion mod pretty cool

[south spear]

I don't think so

some focus trees are nice when they are small

[sly venture]

why

[fair horizon]

its ugly

[foggy scaffold]

Wait

[lofty shore]

what on earth am I even looking at

[coarse hull]

its so outdated though

[steel wadi]

fr

[foggy scaffold]

When's peace for our time out.

[sly venture]

the best template oat

[coarse hull]

it can stay small it just needs modernization

[south spear]

problem is, when you tell paradox pls make rework, they start going into giant mess of a focus tree

turkey is an example

spain too

[fair horizon]

WHEN MY DLC SPOT WAS

[steel wadi]

bulgaria

too

[coarse hull]

id guess july

[south spear]

nah bulgaria's focus tree timing with the rest of the world is kinda okayish

[fair horizon]

I HATE YOU CZECH DLC

[foggy scaffold]

Wait so whats peace for our time including.

[south spear]

better than spain or turkey

[foggy scaffold]

?

[fair horizon]

GIVE ME BACK MY AUSTRALIA DLC

[foggy scaffold]

Can someone educate me on that dlc

Like please.

[coarse hull]

czech rework

[foggy scaffold]

Okay good

Just Czech?

[gaunt garden]

I learned yesterday how to do the italo Ethiopian war💔

[steel wadi]

and slovakia if im correct

[foggy scaffold]

Or yugoslavia and romania

Dang.

Oh well id like to play Czechoslovakia again.

[south spear]

you could try bohemia in eu4

and make a czechoslovakia

[coarse hull]

im hoping for a US/UK rework in the future

[foggy scaffold]

Same.

[coarse hull]

worst major nations atm

[foggy scaffold]

Def

[gaunt garden]

I love playing Bulgaria to make the united Balkan federation it also has a good color

[steel wadi]

facts

[south spear]

morally based

[sly venture]

seriously tho is this a good template

[foggy scaffold]

Ehh idk about the colour for the balkan federation

It looks

Strange.

[lofty shore]

dawg my invasion of the soviets has put casualties at 43:1 in my favor

the soviet meat shield is something else

[fair horizon]

stat wise? unless this is for mp id say its completely garbage

[foggy scaffold]

I gave germany 1.21M casualties by encircling them.

Somehow.

[gaunt garden]

Ngl the axis path is boring to me it is better but boring,while the united Balkan federation is fun,I got all of the Balkans+turkiye,then invaded France when it was weak,and britian,so I basically remade Byzantium in a much easier way

[foggy scaffold]

I might get Road to 56.

[fair horizon]

needs to be bigger if its an actual attack div, if its just a line holder it has wayyyy too much support crap on it

give it more tanks or something

[foggy scaffold]

Doesn't RT56 have a UK and US rework.

I swear it does

[sly venture]

we dont have the budget

maybe later

[fair horizon]

it has a tree rework and id personally say its kinda eh

[fair horizon]

you dont need all your divs to be that, even 5 would be a good amount

[coarse hull]

25 anti-air with support anti-air 🤑

[foggy scaffold]

I hate the tree on the UK and US

Its boring imo

[south spear]

all you need

[fair horizon]

chat im gonna do aa tanks australia

[coarse hull]

its simply outdated, japan was the same until NCNS

[foggy scaffold]

The only thing I find fun as the UK is going a different ideology

[south spear]

silly

[fair horizon]

trust in the method

[south spear]

do self propelled artillery

[gaunt garden]

I swear how does Poland get Berlin when I play Germany but when a play chechoslovakia I got all of the German Reich, chechoslovakia strongest nation in hoi4 basically

[south spear]

dont waste your time

[fair horizon]

eh

[foggy scaffold]

So we've got thunder at our gates now.

Where's the American dlc at.

[fair horizon]

it does the soft attack sure but try playing without a plane mio

it changes you

[foggy scaffold]

For a rework.

[south spear]

what is this DLC btw, i havent been playijng hoi4 for a while

what its about

[foggy scaffold]

Well

[coarse hull]

i think it would make sense for a US/UK dlc this november

[south spear]

i regret asking a cat pfp person about something on the internet

[fair horizon]

we do not infact have the australia dlc thunder at the gates

[foggy scaffold]

It did this to China.

[coarse hull]

Australia rework, Siam, Indonesia

[gaunt garden]

I swear how is checholsovakia so strong my eyes are amazed

[south spear]

oh thank you

[fair horizon]

long tibet

[south spear]

nice

[foggy scaffold]

Probably

[south spear]

I like that

[foggy scaffold]

Whar

[south spear]

indonesia and siam focus trees are a blessing

[coarse hull]

rip yellow china 😔

[south spear]

I love thailand

[fair horizon]

dont associate with people who play czechoslovokia, they hate us australia players

[foggy scaffold]

It includes siam?

[coarse hull]

yes

[foggy scaffold]

I got told it didn't.

[gaunt garden]

Also I tried non historical and why is Canada ruled by a literal serial killer looking guy now.

[south spear]

wasnt the australian focus tree already reworked and works good enough?

[foggy scaffold]

Also the one thing I hate most about HOI4 rn

[fair horizon]

isnt that the fascism guy?

[south spear]

but siam is giant

[fair horizon]

IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES NOT

[foggy scaffold]

When I puppet the british ran or canada, THEIR FLAGS STAY THE SAME.

SO DOES OTHERS.

[south spear]

whats the problem with australia focus tree lol

[fair horizon]

I MADE A LIST OF HOW CRAP IT IS

[south spear]

show

[coarse hull]

it hasnt been reworked since like.... Together for Victory i think?

[foggy scaffold]

Wait is that thunder at our gates or the other 1

Im hella confused

[coarse hull]

thunder

[vocal bolt]

its oct 1938 when does germany ask for sudetenland

[foggy scaffold]

Oh

Japan and China also got that rework yeahh

[fair horizon]

oml i didnt save it when i lost power the other day

[gaunt garden]

Has anyone tried to make the Turkic nation as tannu tuva?

[fair horizon]

alright ima list off what i remember.

[south spear]

I want to play thailand already

and make a big empire

eu4 style

[woeful knoll]

How are the S.S and chinese militia and austrain paramilitary the same unit? Militia maks no sense

[woeful knoll]

they said thailand will be a regional power, no empire for u

[south spear]

this is cambojia but i want to make siam like this in hoi4

[foggy scaffold]

Hol up is Mongolia ever gonna get content 😭

[woeful knoll]

kumul khanate

[gaunt garden]

Yeah Thailand should be playable,like for example the fascist path could be surrender to Japan or align with Japan and make the Khmer empire,that would be very very fun

[foggy scaffold]

Mongolia has some stuff in different ideolgo8

[fair horizon]

war advisory council, invest in victory, no plane mio unless democratically aligned britian. no easy expansion. you're required to be at war for your 5th research slot. you're required to have 20% tension to take war advisory council (very big stopgap and if it goes under 20% you cancel it)

[foggy scaffold]

Ideologies

[fair horizon]

i hate australia's tree

[vocal bolt]

are they just ignoring me wtf

[fair horizon]

its horrible

[gaunt garden]

Australia has a focus tree???

[vocal bolt]

they took memmel before the sudetenland

[south spear]

khmer is cambodia not siam

[sly venture]

if i was czechslovaki i would not be this scared

[fair horizon]

one of the worst ones in the game yes

id replace it with the default tree

id prefer the default tree to its current one

[south spear]

You mean Ayutthaya probably

[steel wadi]

september

[gaunt garden]

You should be scared as checholsovakia a capitulated all of Germany,fear the bohemian empire.

[steel wadi]

like irl

[foggy scaffold]

A rework for north America should include canada and America, maybe Mexico.

[woeful knoll]

Default tree is one of the most op in hoi4, it gives you 10 factories as a nation like tannu tuva or rapa nui along with a ton of research bonuses

[foggy scaffold]

Canada is kinda boring.

America hella boring.

Mexico eh.

[south spear]

Ayutthayan secret focus tree in the thailand focus tree incoming probably

[fair horizon]

australia's gives more factories funnily enough but its just so long and crap that its bad

[south spear]

and I will LOVE IT

[vocal bolt]

I think I am about to kick their ass

[gaunt garden]

Finally,so many people for some reason keep saying it's the best focus tree but it's so boring

[vocal bolt]

I got romania and yugoslavia on my side

I denied them austria

[foggy scaffold]

Yea i think it needs a rework

[fair horizon]

like theres 2 buffs from the current australia tree i like and its free 10% recruitable multiplier and free radar

[woeful knoll]

who the hell says canada jas the best focus tree?

[south spear]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayutthaya_Kingdom for people who dont know:

[foggy scaffold]

I lowkey just wanna play some countries in north America but they have barley any content

[steel wadi]

w

[fair horizon]

but yeah you play commie or facsist australia, even democraticly aligned usa australia? too bad no plane mio lose every air battle ever

[foggy scaffold]

Why does America and the UK being majors have such bad focuses

[grave sonnet]

Hello chat

[foggy scaffold]

Like WHY

[gaunt garden]

Many hoi4 YouTubers for some reason,at least for me,some guy said that Syria is the most fun nation💔

[south spear]

communist*

[brave siren]

Speaking of which, pol pot is the (I believe) communist leader of Cambodia if you change ideology to that, even though he was like 10 during the time of hoi4

[fair horizon]

red australia

commie australia

[woeful knoll]

maybe it will be under the 20 focuses to flip idioligy then the 2 focuses with content that are make a faction and annex the usa

[round jetty]

canada is a really funny pick for navy

[fair horizon]

ALSO RED AUSTRALIA ISNT RED

its still gree n

[south spear]

hoi4 be like kek

[round jetty]

their focus tree lets you get heavy cruisers as early as possible

[grave sonnet]

All communist nations should be red

[fair horizon]

oh and another issue i have is that richard dixon has no traits

[south spear]

colours are i think more of a cultural thing, not ideological

[foggy scaffold]

I despise North american focuses

[fair horizon]

australia famous for being green

[brave siren]

I despise all focuses

Except for the generic ones

[woeful knoll]

or you could play a actual naval nation

[foggy scaffold]

There should at least be states actually released in a CIVIL WAR

TEXAS

[brave siren]

Generic focuses are on top

[woeful knoll]

canada is not a naval nation

[round jetty]

🤮

[south spear]

idk why i associate australia with dark blue more, maybe cuz of the flag

[foggy scaffold]

FLORIDA.

[grave sonnet]

Except*

[hoary warren]

Yooo

[gaunt garden]

I love communist Yugoslavia I wish I could make the non aligned faction as it it would be so better and more people would play Yugoslavia

[brave siren]

My autocorrect man

[fair horizon]

yeah thats not how a union works

[foggy scaffold]

Why aint there no releasables for the US

[grave sonnet]

It's fine lmao it gets me all the time

But yeah generic focus trees are good

[brave siren]

You can release Alaska and a lot of its island territories

[foggy scaffold]

Like looking at some mods.

[south spear]

there is a mod in which USA at start date is seperated into the 50 states

which is a very good mod ngl should be irl

[foggy scaffold]

America needs more content.

[fair horizon]

because america didnt conquer foreign lands to build an empire

[foggy scaffold]

It HAS to

[steel wadi]

i love hungary

[real arrow]

Hellllloooo

[grave sonnet]

It will get a huge focus tree trust

[woeful knoll]

This works in something like kaiserredux not hoi4 hoi4. there isnt enough time or game mechanics for indepentdent statees

[south spear]

now repeat this to yourself

[fair horizon]

we're quite anti-empire

[grave sonnet]

👋🏼 hello

[gaunt garden]

Me too we brothers,monarchist and axis Hungary are both so good

[south spear]

omg umazing

[foggy scaffold]

Philippines

[fair horizon]

manifest destiny doesnt count. we bought all the land we own

[foggy scaffold]

What happened with them

[real arrow]

HACHIMI

[steel wadi]

real

[coarse hull]

american puppet having an arguably better focus tree than its overlord 😛

[south spear]

omg umas in hoi4 when

[foggy scaffold]

What happened with the Philippines.

[fair horizon]

WEI

[real arrow]

Soon!!!

[coarse hull]

wdym?

[south spear]

lmao xD

i have one friend that is so into umas

[sly venture]

hopefully this is enough

[fair horizon]

We freed it from spanish rule btw

thats why they still use the peso

[grave sonnet]

Funny ,but they will probably give the US a gargantuan focus tree

[gaunt garden]

Wait a minute just relised that Philippines have a focus tree,why,just why,why isn't there a Thailand focus tree but a Filipino one.

[foggy scaffold]

And kept it.

[south spear]

go go polskaaa

[coarse hull]

hopefully

[foggy scaffold]

Kept the Philippines.

[brave siren]

From what I’ve learned forts do nothing against Germany unless you have max anti air

[grave sonnet]

Oh They will

[eternal aspen]

y'all, we got fixes for USA content before we got the fix for a historical bimarck 😭

[brave siren]

Which is impossible by 1939 afaik

[coarse hull]

#hoi4-general message

[grave sonnet]

And they will charge you a lot for it 👍🏼

[south spear]

tbh I dont like hoi4 mainly cuz it reminds me of the modern sinful politics world

but ill return to the game

one day

[round jetty]

its gonna have a greater swedish north american territories path that gives it 200% cavalry attack or something

[coarse hull]

its coming

[fair horizon]

if you want to look at it in the worst way possible i guess

[woeful knoll]

phillipines focus tree sucks, for example you can become the hispanic empire then go down your focus tree to become the like mayalan confederation, why can you switch races 3 times, also it is just a ton of little buffs and nothing real

[eternal aspen]

didn't siam get one as well?

[grave sonnet]

Imagine Tribal America with Huge Irregular buffs

[eternal aspen]

chile becoming france

[brave siren]

Since when did the Philippines have a focus tree

[coarse hull]

you cant expect too much from a minor nation

[fair horizon]

latest dlc

[eternal aspen]

pdx is making hoi4 a meme atp

[brave siren]

I didn’t buy it

[foggy scaffold]

I swear you can form the Spanish empire as the Philippines now??

[brave siren]

This has been going on since forever

[coarse hull]

yep

[foggy scaffold]

From what I heard

Tf

[south spear]

return to tradition kinda USA, not native american but totemist in religion, something like what happened in nazi germnay with the whole thule cult

[coarse hull]

exiled spanish monarchs can be invited to the philippines

[grave sonnet]

There's an achievement for it if u get all Spanish core states

[foggy scaffold]

Philippines having more content than the US:

[south spear]

i can see this being a secret path for USA

[eternal aspen]

nah, there used to be a time when alt-hist content made sense, like the USA going CSA, or the german or russian civil wars

[south spear]

esostetic fascist path for USA

[grave sonnet]

I want my tribal kingdom

[south spear]

hell yea

[grave sonnet]

This isn't TFR

[eternal aspen]

now it's like "become a formable, which can then become another formable, then a 3rd, which has no relation to the nation you started as"

[foggy scaffold]

There should be some sort of us civil war that includes more things.

[woeful knoll]

true but they gave it absurdly wild and op focuses with nothing to back them up, another example the communist one where you get 200 percent dockyard output but 0 steel or dockyards

[eternal aspen]

it's the same as kristibbs becoming the ottomans as sami

[sudden thistle]

The difference on when their focus tree was made may play a role 🤯

[south spear]

i was referencing TWR in my head actually

[fair horizon]

theres a reason its ahistoric

[woeful knoll]

belgum fascist path lol

burgundy and belgica that cant form roman empire

[coarse hull]

200%?? i might have to try that out

[fair horizon]

i love that path ngl

[woeful knoll]

yes but its not fun at all

[brave siren]

I think the generic focus tree needs some improvements

[foggy scaffold]

The US gotta have a more interesting civil war.

[brave siren]

Like a nonaligned path

[foggy scaffold]

At least

[woeful knoll]

also all focuses are 70 days

[grave sonnet]

You don't say...ur lying

[steel wadi]

ik

[brave siren]

Some are 35, but there’s that one 210 day Dutch focus💀

[eternal aspen]

fair, but it still is boring meta crap, i love the game but sometimes it confuses me like belgium becoming the roman province, or chile becoming france, it just makes zero sense, however something like belgica does make a little sense thinking ab how it was actually belgium/rhineland

[foggy scaffold]

Wait eh?

[steel wadi]

but there are mods on workshop

[fair horizon]

i mean it would kinda just be like it is in hoi4, states pick a side and fight. thats how it went irl too 😛

[south spear]

I love the genetic focus tree in some mods,
I think if they revamp the genetic focus tree in vannila hoi4 they should only touch the politics section, cuz I like the rest

this is a good discussion to be had

btw

[woeful knoll]

there so much they could have done for it but its just 5 back to back super cool formables with 0 content

[fair horizon]

yeah i get why i cant core java as australia but id like the tree to be better at least. mapuche for chile is pretty good tho

[woeful knoll]

they saw all this intresting stuff and said lets put it all in the game but with literally nothing else and no contect after 1939

[south spear]

content*

[fair horizon]

its not meant to be germany, its an alt path.

[sudden thistle]

I think there is like a 2 day difference

Maybe a 3 days at most

[fair horizon]

like if you want a ridiculous path go play like brazil or argentina

[grave sonnet]

True pdx is hard working and gives out cheap DLCs

[fair horizon]

they're pretty over the top and the main focus of the belgium one was the congo stuff

[eternal aspen]

yea, like the logical althist makes sense, not like suriname becoming the rightful leader to the chinese hegemony (ofc ik that isn't ingame)

[woeful knoll]

what do you mean bro

[fair horizon]

wym they have the claim

[woeful knoll]

if thats true them why is there 20 formables

[eternal aspen]

i js edited it lol mb

[fair horizon]

its very important you recognize the claim of suriname to all the lands china owns

[woeful knoll]

Germany has 0

[fair horizon]

germany has multiple actually

eu, greater german reich, commie one

[woeful knoll]

thats it

belgium has 10

[brave siren]

The craziest part?
Theyre still making DLCs because they know we will still buy regardless of how bad they are

[coarse hull]

Greater Reich, Greater Volksunion, European Federation, Holy Roman Empire

[eternal aspen]

GGR, HRE, EU, EU but communist, germany (using the fractured germany start)

[fair horizon]

belgium has like 3?

[grave sonnet]

The sad truth

[fair horizon]

lowlands one that starts with v, burgundy, and belgica

well i guess probably eu as well

[brave siren]

Paradox is just EA minus the microtransactions

[woeful knoll]

hre and eu have 0 content btw

once again cool but useless formables

[eternal aspen]

same with GGR

it's a formable you get for taking all your historical land

[woeful knoll]

well u could makea case for ggr

[fair horizon]

i mean what do you want?

[grave sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-nuke-piss-nuke-tutorial-truth-nuke-true-true-morgan-freeman-gif-1990497734463688507

[eternal aspen]

formables are good for like, end goals

[fair horizon]

like 10 war goals or something for doing a formable? you already beat everyone

[pliant ginkgo]

Guys I’m playing USSR. Any tips? I’m already building civs and military factories past the Urals. I’m exercising my divisions, I’m making tanks, I already added recon, engineers, and arty to my infantry divisions

[coarse hull]

EA but with one time payments 🤑

[sly venture]

hopefulkly this is enough

[trim lotus]

Delete the recon from your divisions.

[eternal aspen]

have you got medium 2 or medium 3's yet?

[pliant ginkgo]

Waste of supply equipment?

[eternal aspen]

also recon is only good for field arty, not support

[lofty shore]

when the germans come make sure to get encircled for the historical means

[pliant ginkgo]

Still 1937

[eternal aspen]

ah, focus purely on mils then, and try rush better tanks

[trim lotus]

And manpower, and a bit of inf equipment, and organization, and in some cases a supply company slot.

[woeful knoll]

for belgium:
ai historical path
eu democratic path
rexist path but with content for all of them and maybe u can choose which one also german puppet etc
monarchist colonial path like portugal not a exile goverment 🤦‍♂️
communist same

for example belgica can form rome amd gets army buffs

burgundy does whatever they do in eu4

but in hoi4

[fair horizon]

they already get ridiculous army buffs though?

[woeful knoll]

defensive buffs

[grave sonnet]

The french r gonna run the division through

[fair horizon]

attack buffs

[woeful knoll]

where?

[coarse hull]

brazilian rome would be funny as a hidden path

[fair horizon]

the left side of the tree?

ill load my save but id honestly rather not

[woeful knoll]

thats a focus path where u fix ur army and another where you build forts

[pliant ginkgo]

Should I add support AA?

[coarse hull]

because brazil is one of the many nations claiming to be the successor of rome

[trim lotus]

The typical recommendation for a defensive infantry division: 9 infantry battalions, support AA, support artillery, usually engineers. Channel's busy, maybe hop over to #ask-for-help-here .

[fair horizon]

the middle path on the fascist part also gived attack buffs

[eternal aspen]

i feel the only missing path we need is germany forming asiaeuropa

[late valley]

hello

[fair horizon]

nooooo past that

[graceful citrus]

orange france

[fair horizon]

the army fixing is in like 2-3 focuses and its done

[coarse hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/788349366091513888/1481766157261209641/this_polish_man.gif

[fair horizon]

then you get like 3? 5% attack buffs

org buff

special forces attack buff

[cedar lance]

hello i like how WOTP costs only 5 euros or usd

[grave sonnet]

This makes me feel uncomfortable

[fair horizon]

you get defense and attack on cores

[woeful knoll]

"belgium crusade of europe"

look inside
[phone] EVERYTHING
no war goals
no navy or air force stuff
2 focuses

[graceful citrus]

i was doing the eu path and formed the benelux 😭

[woeful knoll]

wow

[fair horizon]

so you can manually justify btw, also you get war goals on luxembourg netherlands and france

[grave sonnet]

Atleast we have orange France ig

[fair horizon]

has an entire navy and air tree both are insanely good as well

[coarse hull]

how the hell did that create orange france? isnt EU supposed to be blue?

[woeful knoll]

look im just salty there isnt a monarchist path or any content for the formables

the belgium tree is fine just imagine if they scrapped the congo and made content for an important european nation

[coarse hull]

why the hell is my right hand so cold

[graceful citrus]

the eu path for the netherlands retains your colour and the benelux is this orange

[fair horizon]

fascist path is sorta the monarchist path but i agree could be better

[split zephyr]

I only started trying to get better at hoi4 recently. Im a begginer. One of my friends said it might be better to play non historical than historical. Should i listen or not?

[fair horizon]

both is fine

[late valley]

dw i hate nomad1612

[fair horizon]

JOHN NAVY HIMSELF?

[coarse hull]

we hate nomad1612

[fair horizon]

Im blessed to be in your presence

[late valley]

Hello

[coarse hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225148895554703401/1481736567902044200/image0.gif

[grave sonnet]

Now we will have orange Europe ☝🏼

[grave sonnet]

I still prefer the blue

[fair horizon]

the best color country in the game imo is third rome or byzantium

[graceful citrus]

latvia, finland and portugal refused and hungary literally left

[coarse hull]

third rome is so pretty

i love purple :3

[grave sonnet]

I lowk thought you used the colour command ngl

[foggy scaffold]

Interesting

[graceful citrus]

also the poles declined federalisation

grrr

[foggy scaffold]

2 bears running

Hm

[coarse hull]

Screenshot taken!

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cream-gif-21025496

[foggy scaffold]

Yea everything hates me

It don't let me take a screenshot normally

[fair horizon]

cucumbers are fruits and that therefore makes pickles also fruit

[foggy scaffold]

But hm

[coarse hull]

thats what they called me in highschool

[foggy scaffold]

Interesting leaders.

[fair horizon]

wait how did you get this?

[foggy scaffold]

Releasing a puppet

[coarse hull]

do the romanov poland path and the wojtek easter egg

[foggy scaffold]

Norwegian island

Sam

San

Something

Idk who to play now

Im out of ideas

Might do Switzerland

Idk

[coarse hull]

i sentence you to communist hungary

[wide osprey]

i've never seen the game this laggy

[foggy scaffold]

Done that 4 times already

[graceful citrus]

orange romania (i took al of their divs away

[coarse hull]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tickle-cat-tickle-chuddyfan-thomas-jefferson-gif-15541031946739484981

[foggy scaffold]

But I do not like the balkan federation colour at all

[wide osprey]

i'm playing with sheep mode
can it be the reason?

[coarse hull]

sheep mode?

[wide osprey]

mod

dis

i played full vanilla yesterday and everything was ok

[foggy scaffold]

I like how the capital of Switzerland is bern here

Interesting

[wide osprey]

bruh now the game runs fast BUT with sudden random freezes ~every month

[foggy scaffold]

No communist Switzerland path?

[heavy vigil]

classic issue

its in 1940 yeah

with bulgaria and stuff

shouldnt last too long

[foggy scaffold]

Wait is there actually no communist Switzerland path

What

[fair horizon]

Gn everyone, im going to sleep while hoping the czech dlc turns out to be worse than goe because they took my dlc spot

[wide osprey]

never seen something like this tbh

[coarse hull]

switzerland isnt real

[foggy scaffold]

Im playing Switzerland rn

[coarse hull]

you arent real

[foggy scaffold]

I find it funny that

In the Swiss fascist path

If germany isnt fascist

You can become a puppet of france instead

[smoky prairie]

I think I'm going to start a Japan run today. Will give me a chance to try out the new unit models in the latest DLC, and have some navy fun to boot

Will be my first time playing a Japan run with the NCNS dlc as well

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Germany just declared on me

In 1936.

💔

Idgaf

Easy win.

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you forgot to improve relations for 5 whole seconds

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hitler just signed the molotov ribbentrop pact, scary!!

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german reich has joined the chinese united front

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are carriers good?

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YES

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like

very

very much+

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theyre good

destroyers are kinda the meta rn because you get some silly vis buffs

but besides that carriers do a lot of damage

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light cruisers and battleships?

[heavy vigil]

battleships bad at damage

light cruisers are ok

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is WOTP Good?

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no modern correlation whatsoever

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oh

why?

i mean they can have a lot of heavy attack

[slim idol]

Yeah in modern day they would just use bombs and have like two ppl on the border

[pliant ginkgo]

lol been holding Madrid since September 1937

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pls help im trying to get the bevrijding accviemt

[fair compass]

is this map cursed? (im transleithania)

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hi

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Any tip for tanks that is are highly effective and cheap to produce

(Heavy tank)

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okay?

heavy attack is good against capitals, bad against screens

capitals cant be hit as long as screening is 100%

and torp is like a cheaper but worse heavy attack thats kinda in every navy too

as soon as the screens die, the navy is kinda useless

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L layout?

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Hello

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Remove artillery

[fallen hearth]

okk

[lofty yoke]

Org is good for that ?

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Type of stuff japan starts with

[lofty yoke]

Lol

japan is shit Without a human touch

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Should i do naval invasions as commie japan

Idk ai vanilla china feels like fodder

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Naval invasions as Japan is mandatory

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Idk i forgot to do them

[safe wing]

Fair

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Are these meant to be medium tank divisions?

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space marines