hoi4-general

[karmic viper]

yea

[dusky burrow]

I watched France try to defend Algeria a few times and they just crumbled eventually each time

[karmic viper]

I went communist germany but we came togehter aganist a common enemy

[dusky burrow]

Some were worse than others

Send Italy your planes and have Italy send you their mech I think

[steel zephyr]

gains

[dusky burrow]

btw a reminder about air superiority reducing breakthrough and defense

[grim merlin]

i just pearl harbored myself apparently

[woven gate]

i guess bro

[dusky burrow]

rip

[sharp sierra]

its pretty rough

declaring war on the late game mega faction im always at like -30%

[gritty cloak]

anyone got any ideas for templates

[fair horizon]

Easily

[dusky burrow]

have you considered adding 3 line aa to division

[nocturne quartz]

Peak encirclement

[clear dagger]

game impact

my entire army of 35k men

[royal kindle]

another navel dlc?

[clear dagger]

[royal kindle]

i aint complaning ngl but why not africa

[dusky burrow]

240k enemy casualties lmao

[clear dagger]

france is still here

[dusky burrow]

also how did you get non-aligned luxembourg

[clear dagger]

the luxembourg army walking into Dunkirk after Hitler ordered his men to stop the offensive on it to negotiate with the british:

[clear dagger]

the election

you can become monarch on it

another 30k

gone

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

do you go down collectivist or individualist ethos then

[clear dagger]

collectivist and go down the commie path for the 400 men a week

i usually go communist as a whole to get 900 men a week all together

but im finding monarchist is the more based path

[dusky burrow]

i see

[clear dagger]

you also get this chad marshal with it

bro wtf is this

[dusky burrow]

make a save, wonder if you can give germany those french territories and then ask germany for benelux territories

[clear dagger]

hes already giving me some of the land for that, also i dont have enough men to garrison france anyway

[dusky burrow]

how much of the benelux do you have

[clear dagger]

most of belgium

last game it took like a full year before he wanted to give me ANY land at all

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

what does your production queue look like btw

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/Ok3k.gif

[clear dagger]

lmao

[upbeat helm]

Whats a good time for Japan to have full conquered china in hist, because I can manage a January 1938 or December 1937 win but usually that's my fastest

[lofty yoke]

Lol taht wild

It's like trying to conquer Spain and winning the civil war with nothing on your sleeve

[lofty yoke]

I'm also stuck with Japan; their mountain warriors are fiercely cruel.

Because they use the mountains as a point of strength, and whenever you take any inch of China, another group rushes in from nowhere.

[clear dagger]

long bulgaria

[drowsy bronze]

lasted until october 1940

[lofty yoke]

that verey small country

lol

[lofty yoke]

How can we occupy Britain? ☠️

[violet veldt]

i wanna use ireland as a gateway

[lofty yoke]

Extremely clever, I was very focused on direct attacks, Like the sweeping attack that was historically significant at the time

[violet veldt]

Idk it feels simple

Im communist germany

I turn country communist

[lofty yoke]

Oh

[violet veldt]

I reccomend countries close to other country that youre interested in

(Belgium, netherlands, lucemberg, ireland, etc)

Any country with a big industry

Or any country you'd play as

[lofty yoke]

Like Germany's power

[violet veldt]

Nah nah

Poland

Belgium

Netherlands

Switzerland has a moderate industry

[lofty yoke]

but pland have no forse

You mean like , if you stack you chose those

[violet veldt]

I feel like franco-german war is already done if you have belgium luxembourg AND switzerland

I like how the most defining moment of both world wars was just germany going "heyy what if i go around it."

Feels silly

[lofty yoke]

I'm thinking of invading America, but I choose to invade Britain, though in a completely unprofessional way.

[violet veldt]

Should i try air germany?

Idk cas is like op as helll

[lofty yoke]

Against Britain, it's almost impossible due to the attacks and enemies surrounding you, if you choose the traditional way of ruling.

[violet veldt]

I feel like its crazy to me how anyone loses as germany

[lofty yoke]

Yes , lol

[violet veldt]

Idk germang would be impossible if soviets didnt take years to fix their own country and if us had a proper focus tree

[polar radish]

Holy shit I was playing a nice lil France game and was doing fine till Italy somehow acquired 250+ divisions and meat waved me 😭

[lofty yoke]

Thay Focus on the tree more then tanks

[violet veldt]

Allies are goated with their resources, industrial capacity, and just like. Their navy🙏

[maiden bolt]

when i was trying to Invade Italy their Defense Was Good ngl

[violet veldt]

Idk i like how us is just more of a shark than like an actual opponent

[polar radish]

Like I was holding the north but then I looked at the alps which I defended pretty sparsely and jut got flooded

[lofty yoke]

oh , those even with 400 hour make a mss

[violet veldt]

Idk us is like

[maiden bolt]

Rn im trying to take moscow i already capture stalingrad but the soviets are defending moscow good

[violet veldt]

I hate how soviets when i spectate just

Dont know what theyre doing

[clear dagger]

RAHH the heros of Toburk!

[violet veldt]

Historically accurate ig?

Stalin stop shooting your generals🤬

[polar radish]

What build?

[maiden bolt]

what

[polar radish]

Like tanks or

[violet veldt]

Soviet italy ig

[lofty yoke]

The fan base demands it , lol

[violet veldt]

We must disorganize the bourgeoisie armies 🙏

[maiden bolt]

infantry and mountaineers

i already captured moscow so it doesnt matter

[violet veldt]

Seperate their forces

[violet veldt]

Idk i feel like theres a sort of horseshoe theory to the people who hate communism and stalin and the people who defend stalin

[violet veldt]

No the mls and the nazis werent friends marx was jewish

[lofty yoke]

When moscow was occupied after attempts , i did not play the game for a month because i was so happy

[violet veldt]

No, they traded like millions of grain, steel, and oil (i think) they were NOT that anti-fascist

Idk the handling of the axis was neglectful as shit

[lofty yoke]

but Russian oil was verry taesty 😜

[violet veldt]

If the allies were like more compotent hitler wouldnt have reached warsaw imo

[lofty yoke]

Yep

[violet veldt]

Guranteed air superiority

Naval invasions

Economic instability from germany especially post-ndsap

Idk germany historically got everything handed to it

[lofty yoke]

In way , ihave to focus on my ways to occupy britain, and not in simple way

[maiden bolt]

The Napoleon will capture this. The battle of leningrad

[violet veldt]

Crazy to me how they let germany with "how to speedrun europe" book written just apease their way to czechslovakia

[lofty yoke]

They are so focused on the tree you will capture it fast

[maiden bolt]

america is next

My navy is 4000 and USA is 2000 but the USA is destroying my Convoys everytime💔

[lofty yoke]

Did you put them in protected mode?

or just spam convoys

[thorn ledge]

Who are you

[fair horizon]

Best oil ngl

[dusky burrow]

how do you guys have so many ships

[lofty yoke]

I think he put all of has factories an one box , one ship

[clear dagger]

oh my god

[polar radish]

Prolly a noobish question. But why do so many builds go TDs instead of like regular tanks

[violet veldt]

Mp

[terse skiff]

battalions require less units + armor variants can get buffs from both artillery and armor subdoctrines

[dusky burrow]

yeah so basically your tanks and mech units have high hardness

thus you want to maximize hard attack

[dusky burrow]

cabbages in chaos

[desert glade]

not even the great austria militia divisions got this kinda k/d

[clear dagger]

dude the allies did not give a shit at all

they sent another full invasion on normandy

[grave sonnet]

Cabbage revolt

[upbeat monolith]

where can i find good tutorials on how to play

[grave sonnet]

machiavellian strategist is good

[finite plume]

Made Alaska's cities

[grave sonnet]

The US is NEVER capitulating

[bright forum]

Tips for how to survive as fascist Iraq against the Allied invasion?

Should I just focus on expanding my territory by taking shit like Saudi Arabia or should I turtle and get ready for the invasion?

[winter badge]

Im not conquering that shi 😭

[finite plume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256056033600868425/1354974225152217109/Andando.webp

[winter badge]

😔

[finite plume]

No straits too

If there ain't a bridge irl there ain't a strait 🗿

[winter badge]

😭

Im at most capable of little inf spam naval invasion

[finite plume]

Supply's pretty good tho ngl

[winter badge]

You can now do the same with siberia

[clear dagger]

"hey the sun's 20 days earl-"

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-boom-nuke-nuclear-bomb-gif-20734003

[finite plume]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1131788077728280658/1248873451771527201/gato_agua.gif

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-chad-gif-23236689

Most of Alaska's cities are only 1 VP too 🙏

Buncha <1k cities

[heavy vigil]

gonna be fun to update your mod every update

[finite plume]

It'll be fineeee

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[winter badge]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-hearts-of-iron-4-looksmax-sigma-sigma-face-gif-232308269668432623

[finite plume]

When PDX changes the map that's fine since I override it

It's them changing core mechanics like navy in NCNS that break stuff

Kazakhstan's still pink btw

[winter badge]

Anyone here loves playing Bhutan and tanu tuva?

[finite plume]

Also you should see the Philippines

[winter badge]

Bro

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-arthur-morgan-red-dead-redemption-rdr-rdr2-gif-23905913

[winter badge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-16362445421478761717

[finite plume]

I may add a feature using the adjacency rules where players could build straits

Though I'll have to see how that'd play out

[winter badge]

Would be helpful

[desert glade]

every tile has a vp 😭

[finite plume]

The only ones that don't are places without cities 🙏

[winter badge]

I love mods that make gameplay easier like black ice

[clear dagger]

is luxembourg on the list?

[winter badge]

Great for begginers

[finite plume]

🥀

[winter badge]

Ofc it is

[clear dagger]

[desert glade]

[grave sonnet]

Crazy dedicated

[desert glade]

that is massive

[finite plume]

Y'know this timeline is 💀 when Saudi Arabia doesn't have oil left

[clear dagger]

how will US profit from them now?

[finite plume]

The US is the largest oil producer so

[desert glade]

ah yes my favorite, an abused saudi

[finite plume]

They'll be fine 🙏

[desert glade]

🥀

[clear dagger]

MORE

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[desert glade]

we need more

[finite plume]

Infra is cracked in my mod so that's probably possible 🥀

[desert glade]

thats not even %1 of diddy's stockpile

[finite plume]

My logic is that if everything is overpowered, then nothing is overpowered 👍

[clear dagger]

gas will lower to 25¢ per gallon

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/true-ted-bear-plush-there's-so-much-true-gif-12048046099970672084

[finite plume]

Like why waste time making something that's underpowered and useless

When it can be OP and fun

Even building tall can be OP

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-gif-21278310

[grave sonnet]

Everything gives buffs atp

Worse than Kaiserredux buffs

[heavy vigil]

thats not true

theres just a larger skill gap/difference between good and bad play

[safe wing]

insert hunter noises from Left 4 Dead 2 here

[woven gate]

i damn near ran out of fuel as Iran in Millenium Dawn because of how broken Fuel Consumption is

but i fixed it somehow

[fervent minnow]

millenium dawn is still popular?

i thought it died years ago

[safe wing]

What the hell?

Running out of oil as a major oil producer

https://tenor.com/view/eagle-crying-gif-18415703

[woven gate]

it isn't

i just play it because i'm a masochist

[fervent minnow]

well good luck

it has geniuenly became unplayable

[woven gate]

you consume like 20x the fuel in MD for some wicked reason

[woven gate]

my PC's way too powerful for it's own good i'll be fine

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[fervent minnow]

alr

[woven gate]

the lack of optimization does not shake this machine that i got for christmas and thought would be mid

i can run it for like 20 years no problem

[woven gate]

i forgot how i even fixed this ngl

[iron iron]

Does la resistance add a French focus tree?

[woven gate]

i don't think, France just has that one

[iron iron]

?

[woven gate]

i could be wrong though

France has a focus tree to begin with, i don't know if la resistance expands it or not but i don't think it does

[fervent minnow]

it expands it if i remember correctly

adds alt history paths

[iron iron]

Ok thank you

[fervent minnow]

np

[iron iron]

Ik it add Napoleon

[winter badge]

Why have you lost so much

British arent even moved by this

[iron iron]

Went second times the charm acheivment

[winter badge]

Nice

[iron iron]

And napoleon just seems cool

Plus Spain gets a focus tree I think

[clear dagger]

they actually don't even care

they literally sent another 2 million men to normandy 2 weeks later

[winter badge]

I love that in hoi4 no matter of losses ai will continue every war Simply because you cant make Peace without surrendering

Even conditional surrender is only near capitulation

[heavy vigil]

not necessarily

its actually impossible when theyre losing

[woven gate]

Napoleonic France is fun

[heavy vigil]

you have to be losing to offer it

and ai only accepts based on things such as your army being larger

[woven gate]

i often suggest the focus "Air Dominance" to you, -10% Production Cost to Fighters

i must suggest high-quality Infantry and a few good Tank Divisions

you should be able to beat up Germany with that

[dusky burrow]

rangers or mountaineers

[heavy vigil]

i like marines

and paratroopers

[woven gate]

i wanna try Rangers

i feel like i could put them to great use use as Canada in D-Day

Canada should get some buffs to Rangers from the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association i think

[mint adder]

I love shbb and 1 hangar deck carriers

[violet veldt]

?

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[tranquil lion]

How can I make my marines stronger?

[fair horizon]

Amtracs

[fair horizon]

Flame tank support

[tranquil lion]

Trying to prepare to break through that

[fair horizon]

Use cas on their landing

Give them some tanks

AA support

Could try landing in cardiff or bristol too

[tranquil lion]

Thanks

[mint adder]

Super heavy battleships and carriers with only one hangar deck module

[patent thistle]

why even bother getting carriers if you only give them 20 planes-

[mint adder]

Its still planes

I needed both air support and something cheap to build

Ik its not optimal

[patent thistle]

waste of IC just build proper carriers

[trim lotus]

At the cost of 0.8 naval supply and a lot of IPC.

And if you start the war with them, get them refit to have some hangar space already.

[mint adder]

i have most of my naval industry building destroyers and CLs

I am tho considering building a proper carrier

For carrier CAS

[mint adder]

I probably have to invade great britain

And my normal cas cant reach

[heavy vigil]

addings supports making it larger adding different batallion types you only need +50% amphib

[trim lotus]

Against any serious opposition, even properly designed carriers won't be able to contest the airspace against the literal thousands of land-based aircraft your enemies can produce, nevermind the 20 aircraft your worthless carriers can put up.

I never bother with carrier CAS, instead doing 1/3 fighters 2/3 naval bombers, and using them for strike force.

[patent thistle]

i just do naval bomber spam and then add anti air cruisers to my fleet

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[mint adder]

I could destroy the raf tho

With my fleet aa

They have been putting a lot of planes on the english channel

[finite plume]

Hey Casey

[mint adder]

And my aa has been shooting them down

I could have always build a proper carrier and i know

Issue is i had other priorities

Its 1944 and i only have hull conversions because i had to research other things

[trim lotus]

That's your AA doing the work, not the world's least efficient carrier design.

Either build proper carriers or don't build them at all. Carriers with tiny decks just suck up IPC.

[mint adder]

Whats ipc? Industral capacity?

[trim lotus]

Industrial Production Capacity.

[mint adder]

Oh same thing then

Also its just 1 carrier

Im not like building 30 at the moment

I also have tons of dockyards so it didnt really affect me

[cedar lance]

alr

i always build ALL ships

so i can beat Royal navy and us navy

[mint adder]

All the ships that are under construction in the productions tab when you start the game?

[cedar lance]

yes

kinda

[mint adder]

I do that

[cedar lance]

alr

[mint adder]

Sometimes

[cedar lance]

same

alr

[mint adder]

Only dds and cls

Not capitals unless they have some days left

Especially as italy

[cedar lance]

alr

alr

i build ALL ships as Germany

so again i can face and take out Royal and us navies

[mint adder]

Its ages i dont play germany

I just started playing again now

[cedar lance]

alr

[mint adder]

Super heavy battleships are also super fun

Ik they are expensive

[mild musk]

as germany?

[mint adder]

But they are seriously unsinkable

[mild musk]

germany's navy head to head will never beat UK or US, naval bombers and fighters are cruical

produce these

[mint adder]

As germany you really have to produce carriers if you wanna have a chance

I dont see a reason to build battleships

As germany

[mild musk]

too much work lol, even then you're still gonna need naval bombers no?

[mint adder]

If you produce carriers you need bombers

Theyre just flat ships doing nothing then

[mild musk]

yeah but you only want to use the naval bombers and fighters in the english channel which any airport can reach though

why'd you need carriers

[mint adder]

Oh that way

Sorry i thought you mean naval battles

[mild musk]

ooh yeah gotcha

[mint adder]

If you invade france yeah

[mild musk]

I just destroy their navy with planes and then get naval superiority

[mint adder]

Maybe carriers is not the case

[mild musk]

yep

you can produce heavy cruisers instead of battleships pretty sure as germany it'd be more useful

since germany doesn't have a lot of dockyards

[mint adder]

Heavy cruisers are only useful for carriers when you have to build a fleet from scratch

[mild musk]

so without carriers there's no point?

battleships it is then

[mint adder]

Everyone plays how they want

[fair horizon]

heavy cruisers are fine they just take investment into them

[mint adder]

True

[fair horizon]

which you can get from a cheaper battleship for less research

[mint adder]

Also true

I generally never build CAs

[fair horizon]

against the ai though they're pretty good because heavy guns dont hit them as easy

[cedar lance]

yes

[mint adder]

I always spam cheap destroyers and light attack CLs

[mild musk]

I just put like 1-2 dockyards on convoys and the rest goes into destroyers submarines and panzershiffs while not doing navy research the entire game

[mint adder]

My destroyers cost like 900 IC

[mild musk]

I really don't think it matters that much, air is better

[fair horizon]

rn i personally dont bother with light attack cruisers because carriers are so good\

[mild musk]

get naval bombers + fighters and sink their shit

[cedar lance]

alr

[ripe slate]

@shell parrotThis server is English only,please see #server-rules

[shell parrot]

🤓

[ripe slate]

🐟

[mild musk]

why did u put a romanian flag and then speak hebrew

[ripe slate]

@shell parrotNext time is a warn

[fair horizon]

MARIJIN'S GOT A KNIFE EVERYONE LOAD UP RT56 TO APPEASE THEM

[ripe slate]

Next time Im cooking you, mister fish

[safe wing]

Prussian Infantry or Blitzkrieg

[ripe slate]

🙏

[ripe slate]

I always go Prussian infantry because good armor doesnt really need the buffs

[fair horizon]

SEE MARJIN I PLAT THE ROAD

[safe wing]

as the Kaiserin, (I butchered my invasion of the UK so I have to restart)

[shell parrot]

Hoi4 is my fav game i am sorry i spoke in romanian and hebrew plis dont ban😿

[ripe slate]

🫂

[fair horizon]

nah you're good they cant invade you and you can just win the air war

[south mountain]

What to do chat?

[shell parrot]

🐠

[mild musk]

ngl is using paratroopers for uk as germany cheesing the game

[south mountain]

How to win?

[fair horizon]

paratroopers make me mad

why are they just better than marines now?

[mild musk]

air, air ,air ,air, CAS

[fair horizon]

ridiculous

make them have to do more research to drop more

quit nerfing navy paradox

[safe wing]

I use paratroopers with naval landings (I paradrop them on key supply hubs)

[mild musk]

they make navy basically entirely useless in terms of having to do naval invasions lol

[south mountain]

I have no airforce

[safe wing]

just like Normandy in 1944

[fair horizon]

well yes and no but 50 days is ridiculous for like 3 divs

[mild musk]

so produce them, if attacking doesn't work then don't mindlessly attack and kill your troops

[mild musk]

yeah naval invasions are such a pain in the ass at times

[fair horizon]

chat im going to learn how to use marines

[mild musk]

why can't it be like paratroopers, takes 1 week

[fair horizon]

or paratroopers rather

[tired nexus]

hi guys

[fair horizon]

not for me, im a genius when it comes to naval invasions

[tired nexus]

what r u discussing right now?

[fair horizon]

my hatred for paradox nerfing marines

[mild musk]

genius how all u have to do is plan it on a port and one besides the port lol

[tired nexus]

oh okay

[mint adder]

So now escort carriers are a thing right?

As a special project

[fair horizon]

eh kinda

yeah special project

[tired nexus]

wh-

[fair horizon]

bad carriers tho

[mint adder]

What makes them bad

[mild musk]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[mint adder]

Im just curious because i always wished escort carriers

[fair horizon]

alright who actually wants to play country that forms austro hungary like 3 again?

cause i kinda dont see a want or need to play them ngl

[tired nexus]

who knows

[fair horizon]

not sure if they're any good tbh up to 40 deck size but iirc that makes them as expensive as converted cruisers so

[mint adder]

They released the czechoslovakia dlc? I havent played hoi4 in months

[mild musk]

czechoslovakia is literally the most op nation in the game

[patent thistle]

i have played them twice, demo (forcing france to join in through the czech entente) and commie austria hungary

[mint adder]

I didnt follow anything

[fair horizon]

czechoslovakia players are my least favorite people because they stole my australia dlc spot

[patent thistle]

you know what i find hella funny? you core veneto and lombady of italy but you dont core galicia

stupid mechanic

[tranquil lion]

:)

[mild musk]

invade uk like a good boy

[fair horizon]

shinano model

[prime lintel]

huh

[fair horizon]

what is this abomination?

[cedar lance]

i did buy the Expansion pass 2

[mild musk]

is magna europa mod broken btw

[fair horizon]

i might need to pick that dlc up just for the shippies

[cedar lance]

we need new carrier types

[fair horizon]

wym

[cedar lance]

i mean like either in a dlc expansion or in a mod

[fair horizon]

we need expanded ship types and for the designer to be redesigned imo

every starting battleship is basically the same

like the nelsons were slow but go as fast as revenge and queen elizabeth classes

and the design is basically the same

[prime lintel]

Based

[fair horizon]

also why cant i make upgunned cruisers

[cedar lance]

yes agreed

[fair horizon]

let me make my 12 inch slinging ikoma or alaska

[cedar lance]

we also need pre dreadnoughts

aswell as dreadnoughts and super dreadnoughts

[fair horizon]

@patent thistle my eyes suck is this the big E or saratoga?

[fair horizon]

all ww2 battleships we currently have are dreadnoughts

[cedar lance]

alr

[prime lintel]

Poland stronk

[fair horizon]

but i do agree there needs to be some distinction between battleships and classes

[iron iron]

I fw France

[patent thistle]

big E? you mean essex?

or enterprise?

[fair horizon]

enterprise

[patent thistle]

its enterprise, lexington and saratoga have a more closed in side (first is Enterprise and saratoga is the second pic)

[woven gate]

best we can do is the ice carrier

[patent thistle]

which is still in the same slot as the standard carriers*

[silk furnace]

u mean pykrete

[fair horizon]

it doesnt look like the front is open like with ernterprise though

[woven gate]

idk if it's good because i only make Anti-Sub Destroyers and Light Cruisers to protect them as Canada

[woven gate]

yeah

it's surprisingly in the game

[silk furnace]

wait i never knew that

[woven gate]

i've never used it though, my Dominion run is too optimized

[silk furnace]

is it actually usable?

[woven gate]

you have to go free to use it i think

[woven gate]

yeah

[woven gate]

Canada's made for an Escort Fleet, not a Combat Fleet

[patent thistle]

honestly this could be any carrier, the bridge gives me saratoga vibes, the front gives me also saratoga vibes but the back is way too open to be saratoga

let me check if i can find something

[fair horizon]

thats what i thought too lmao

[cedar lance]

well ik we can mod that stuff in

[fair horizon]

would be nice if paradox would list them

[patent thistle]

could be ark royal

but then again the bridge doesnt fit

[fair horizon]

nah its a us carrier

oh wait

its not illustrious is it?

NOOOOOOOOO

its illustrious 😭

[patent thistle]

yep

[fair horizon]

why does paradox hate us carrier enthusiasts

[patent thistle]

because yes.

[fair horizon]

and us australia players

[patent thistle]

but they seem to love the bad guys of ww2

[fair horizon]

also kent class looks amazing

[patent thistle]

germany, italy, japan and the soviets

(yes i consider the soviets bad guys too)

[safe wing]

Good

USSR was terrible

[patent thistle]

should i ruin your perseption? too many guns.

[fair horizon]

chat we must rise up and take back the australia dlc release date

[fair horizon]

depends, theres like 5 types of kent class cruisers

this specific one is i wanna say london type?

[patent thistle]

county class?

because then it is true actually

[fair horizon]

dunno i dont remember the differences tbh

i wanna say its whatever HMAS Canberra was

[atomic grove]

lol

[winter badge]

You are able to see them by radar?

[tranquil lion]

Yeah, tons of radar and spies.

[winter badge]

Oh ok

[woven gate]

and us Canada players

they hate us slightly less though

they still hate us though

[atomic grove]

invade from hull

[tranquil lion]

Bit late

[fair horizon]

who cares about canada players

they're not getting a dlc

[tranquil lion]

.

[iron iron]

Germany just canceled non aggression pack and put units on my borders

I don’t want a war but if they want I will give it to them tbh

I got 280 divisions and 4million man power

[woven gate]

i thought we were dominion bros 🙁

[ripe slate]

Welcome

[fair horizon]

i mean yeah us dominions gotta stick together

even if you have a plane mio and i dont

[woven gate]

i don't have the DLC

also you get that Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation which is like -10% Fighter Production Cost

[fair horizon]

only if you're democratic britian aligned

you go america democratic path? nope

fascist path? nope

commie? still no

[woven gate]

and you get that focus "All In!" that's pretty similar to all of my lowering of consumer goods combined

-40% or something crazy

[fair horizon]

you should look at the australia tree

its honestly afwul

[woven gate]

i played Australia the other day and it's actually really good

small tree but the bonuses are kinda nuts

[fair horizon]

i made this list like a month ago

[iron iron]

Ok how do you kill Germany as France

By the time your actually a meh nation

It’s 1940 bruh

[woven gate]

why is the kaiser asking this

[iron iron]

uhhh

idk

[woven gate]

-invest in victory
yeah i feel that

-advisory war council
also feel that

[iron iron]

Allies or only good when America joins

[fair horizon]

just 2 major hard locks in the tree which is kinda not good

[woven gate]

Canada has them too

[fair horizon]

i dont remember canada having any major ones, ill have to play them again

[woven gate]

20% WT and i do it and it gets cancelled because WT is too low halfway through

[fair horizon]

THATS WAR COUNCIL

I HATE IT

[woven gate]

we have the Defense of Canada Regulations

same focus different name

[woven gate]

genuinely gotta wait till early 1940 for the Great Depression to go away

[patent thistle]

oh, japan has gone down that path, (ethiopia)

THANKS-

[fair horizon]

I cant remember how long mine is so i wanna say with invest in victory i dont feel the affects by like ~39?

[fair horizon]

bushido time

[woven gate]

i mean as Australia it took me till late 39 to get invest in victory

as Canada it takes about as long usually

[fair horizon]

you can get invest in victory by 37 if you play ahistorical and india does the pakistan thing

[woven gate]

i just like that Canada really scales up in power

[fair horizon]

canada also has a plane mio

[safe wing]

Russia is going Monarchist

[fair horizon]

still makes them better btw

also canada technically has the capability to do the whole usa core thingy

[woven gate]

like i said they hate us SLIGHTLY less

[fair horizon]

only slightly lol

also basically free ice carrier goes hard too

[cedar lance]

alr

i wanna see PDX add more stuff

[safe wing]

USA focus tree

[fair horizon]

oh thats right

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/merica-gif-6672966492979109248

[fair horizon]

we hate the french

WHY IS YOURS 35 DAYS

WHY ISNT MINE 35 DAYS

[woven gate]

literally never played ice carrier path because i only play historical

idk why they lock us out of that

[fair horizon]

wait why is that ahistorical

[woven gate]

like i said before as Canada you protect the Atlantic with Anti-Sub Destroyers and Light Cruisers to protect the Destroyers

[fair horizon]

they literally did it irl

[woven gate]

you have to go the USA path

[patent thistle]

italians meeting actually useful units: "impossible!"

[fair horizon]

paradox why

why is ice carrier ahistorical

[patent thistle]

that focus just gives you ways to get it faster

[fair horizon]

yeah but its still dumb that its in an ahistorical path

[patent thistle]

italy is actually loosing against an undersupplied japanese volenteer-

[fair horizon]

like the "wreckage" of it is still in canada somewhere

the model thingy they did

[heavy vigil]

did you hold macalle

[heavy vigil]

oh thats OP

[prime lintel]

funny state

[patent thistle]

i legit have to make a fall back line because japan pushing actually weakens my defensive line to hell and back lol

[fair horizon]

its good to be back

[patent thistle]

is it actually good tho?

[fair horizon]

NO

[woven gate]

welcome to Canada where i promise they hate us too

[fair horizon]

i love when i get these in a good area but i got unlucky this game

its best if you get one in nsw

britian has no archipeligo places smh

wait nvm the carribean

it matters btw

[woven gate]

that 12 oil keeping up my entire fleet of like 142847474 CAC Boomerangs

Australia's fun af, i'd main them but i'm nervous because of Canada being simpler

[fair horizon]

12 oil turns into like 30 when you get it in nsw

australia is easy to defend

you just make a navy and keep them out

[carmine ferry]

вечер в хату

[fair horizon]

i feel like hes talking about a navy

[carmine ferry]

Поч у меня все участники это 4eburek_rus

[safe wing]

English language only

[fair horizon]

i hate you britian its time for you to go

[heavy vigil]

tasmania has this too

[fair horizon]

yes but tasmania i dont think can get either of those resources

at least ive never had it happen

[safe wing]

What!?

[heavy vigil]

should be able to if its random core

[heavy vigil]

australia gets 2 dams

[safe wing]

Why Tasmania

[fair horizon]

idk it has one or something

[safe wing]

It has less people living there than my home state as of rn

[fair horizon]

whats your home state? wyoming?

[safe wing]

Vermont but close population wise

[fair horizon]

i used to know one of the 6 people from wyoming

ok so mabye im not understanding but is this a passive buff like in general or just when you use the mio?

[heavy vigil]

why would vermont need a dam

[fair horizon]

because big power

democratic goes hard at the start of the game ngl

[patent thistle]

wut-

[fair horizon]

nagato ❤️

[patent thistle]

in ethiopia, which famously had a coastline-

[fair horizon]

wait did they give you that?

[vapid bough]

my non-core manpower buff is so insane that when i grab places i GAIN manpower from it
i took Indochina and I literally watched my manpower go up from 3.8M to 5M as i push north

[fair horizon]

which country?

[vapid bough]

Portugal, they have a lot of non-core manpower modifiers to stack

Vietnamese farmers are just being handed out guns and flocking to my army as I go north

[patent thistle]

i need the guns desperatly

[patent thistle]

ethiopia

[vapid bough]

I feel like Napoleon landing after being stuck on Elba

[unique cliff]

how should i split my planes on carriers?

[heavy vigil]

exile ethiopia path can get taiwan

and ships

[fair horizon]

if you're playing single player just do full naval bombers

or cas if you want to go help shore invasion parties

[vapid bough]

its some consolation after I watched my alliance lose a million men on the shores of Anzio

[fair horizon]

being an arms dealer is so fun

yes please buy all my stuff other democratic countries

[patent thistle]

but i didnt even go exile ethiopia 💀

[heavy vigil]

werent you going to stop playing australia

addict smh

[fair horizon]

no

[heavy vigil]

did you see the announcement

for the ships

[fair horizon]

im just going to hate on czechslovkia players now

[patent thistle]

no.

[fair horizon]

no i saw they delayed my dlc for stupid czech dlc

[heavy vigil]

asking vendrip

theyre adding australian ship stuff

[fair horizon]

also no

DO THEY LET ME HAVE THE PERTH WHICH COMMISIONED ON JANUARY 9TH EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DONE?

or mabye it was the hobart

i cant remember

paradox acknowledging its existence? what happened to the real paradox?

[heavy vigil]

minor content

[trim lotus]

Is there anything productive which can be done with old ships other than "keep them around forever just in case"?

[heavy vigil]

you could refit them or delete them

refitting means you put new modules on

dont touch the engine, it will cost more than making a new ship

[fair horizon]

thats basically the entire australian navy

[heavy vigil]

same for armor if it has armor already

adding armor is fine if it has none though

[fair horizon]

turn old destroyers into minelayers/sweepers

old cruisers still take hits just fine

old battleships screen carriers well enough

old carriers still use new planes

[unique cliff]

its summer 1936 and france is going through its second civil war

[fair horizon]

or you can also turn old destroyers into sub hunters

[trim lotus]

20-24 knot battleships are not adequate screens for 33+ knot carriers.

[fair horizon]

normal for the french tbh

[fair horizon]

they're perfect for converted cruisers which is what heavy cruisers are for

[unique cliff]

i wouldnt start playing the game as germany

[trim lotus]

What are you struggling with? Also, the best channel is #ask-for-help-here .

[unique cliff]

play something small, join a faction, support your allies

[fair horizon]

is it worth wasting 300 days on 1.5 year early conc industry 3?

[unique cliff]

i always liked playing hungary, might be a good choice:)

[fair horizon]

CASEY HELP

GIB OPINION

[unique cliff]

go through your focus tree, see what paths you can choose from

[heavy vigil]

its not 300 days

[trim lotus]

1.5 years early.

[unique cliff]

also #ask-for-help-here

[heavy vigil]

regular tech time is like 150-200 days

[fair horizon]

semantics

[safe wing]

We have a dam in my hometown interestingly enough

[heavy vigil]

so youre spending like maybe 150 days

on more production

[safe wing]

Vermont has a ton of dams tbh

[heavy vigil]

even here you see its fake

[safe wing]

Which means that every us region needs a dam @heavy vigil

[heavy vigil]

but base time usually goes down

[heavy vigil]

okay then ask the devs for it

[fair horizon]

i dont think small dams count

[safe wing]

Yeah IK

[heavy vigil]

if i had the power to touch the US i would make it absolutely unplayable

[safe wing]

I was joking

[fair horizon]

casey hates my beautiful country

[heavy vigil]

yes

[fair horizon]

i sentence you to midwest cornfield for miles casey

and if by some miracle you make it out you'll be sentenced kansas wheat field

[vital cove]

you usually rather use industry bonuses on rushing tools rather than conc

efficiency cap>production output

[safe wing]

Nah break one of Casey’s leg and make her go down one of the mountains in my state like I did in 2012/j

[vital cove]

ofc if you have multiple you can rush both

ig for naval conc is better actually?

[fair horizon]

iirc the math is towards conc

[vital cove]

nah, tools is better

[fair horizon]

plus im already at 73 so w/e and its better for navy

[vital cove]

I can't remember if tools give any bonuses for dockyards tho

yea

[fair horizon]

it actually does now if you do conversions or refits

well i think conversions works

[buoyant flume]

Hi

[cedar lance]

hello

[buoyant flume]

Hru

[cedar lance]

im good hbu

[buoyant flume]

I'm Meh

[cedar lance]

alr

im going to visit mom today

[buoyant flume]

Nice I'm as about to play hoi4 with one arm

Cause other in a sling

[cedar lance]

damn

[buoyant flume]

Ima try and get a hoi 4 achievement

[cedar lance]

alr

[buoyant flume]

Have Germany as a puppet as the ussr

[fair horizon]

my beautiful fascist utopia

[cedar lance]

alr

[prisma saddle]

is better graveyard of empire or trial of aglance?

[safe wing]

Do you wanna play in the Middle East or South America more

Middle East you have to deal with great powers (IE Britain France and the Soviet Union)

[heavy vigil]

depends

but usually

[fair horizon]

ASbjdf;as,mdvbg jkasd;kxjvgb a;lsd'kj'gbaqsldkgasd

[heavy vigil]

civil war

civil war

[fair horizon]

NO

[heavy vigil]

civil war

civil war

you know its good for you

[fair horizon]

NO

im bad at game

[heavy vigil]

delete army before civil wat

you get all good states

they get all bad states

you win

[fair horizon]

cheating

[heavy vigil]

open the console

type ff

click the focus

[fair horizon]

i dont even know how to open the console in a paradox game

thats cheating btw

[heavy vigil]

`

[fair horizon]

no

cheating

[heavy vigil]

now you know

[fair horizon]

no i dont i already forgor

[vital cove]

its not cheating its abusing game mechanics

there's a difference

[fair horizon]

i dont even use torpedo destroyers for that reason

[prisma saddle]

wich country are in the trial of agliance?

[regal heron]

should i make a country puppet instead of annex

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon purchased nagatos sister ship and now am refitting both (the nagato herself was not bought, mutsu was)

[fair horizon]

who needs bad heavy cruisers anyways

[patent thistle]

fire australian carriers 🔥

[patent thistle]

battleships*

[fair horizon]

cruisers*

[patent thistle]

got the radar from the UK

[patent thistle]

oh you were talking about the australian ones?

[fair horizon]

yes

im going to restore this nation's navy power

[patent thistle]

i was talking about the two nagatos i now have

[fair horizon]

they're quite nice but give them level 3 guns and engine

[patent thistle]

main guns and engines are almost never worth refitting

[fair horizon]

i know but i hate level 1 guns

and level 2 are like barely better

[patent thistle]

are you talking about the nagatos now or the shitty australian fleet?

[fair horizon]

nagatos

make them have level 3 guns

ive been battleshipmaxxing recently

i love them

[patent thistle]

fine i strain my shitty naval industry even more then after the first refits -_-

[fair horizon]

:)

[patent thistle]

cant stop it now because one of them is too far into refits that if i stopped it now it would be dismantled

[fair horizon]

shame

[patent thistle]

i hate that mechanic

[fair horizon]

same

thats why i think the naval designer should be reworked

[patent thistle]

make refits way cheaper

especially converted cruisers/battleships

japan shat out cruiser refits in a few months

while its industry was wrecked

[fair horizon]

like id agree as long as main guns and engine kinda stuff doesnt get touched

well mabye not new guns

but engine refits has to cut through armor on most battleships

[patent thistle]

i am DEFINETLY not touching the engines now, at this point i could just build new ships entirely

[fair horizon]

so slowwwwww

[patent thistle]

its an early battleship what the hell do you expect?

[fair horizon]

well better engines for one

[patent thistle]

they are only meant to descurage naval invasions

if i wanted a new shiny fleet i wouldnt play ethiopia

[fair horizon]

orca

[patent thistle]

atleast the Fr*nch are good for something

[fair horizon]

thank you for censoring that 🙏

[regal heron]

holy encircle

[patent thistle]

i could refit the shitty destroyers i got from that

[fair horizon]

hehe thanks poland

[safe wing]

Brazil Argentina , and Chile

[patent thistle]

austria refused anschluss, that will weaken germany segnificantly-

others can help you better most likely

i fumble the army so hard at times

uh, thanks japan?

[strong umbra]

no thanks japan they will yoink your war score

I hate it when ai yoinks my war score

[woven gate]

Japan is glazing you

[patent thistle]

they did litterally help me in the italian war lol-

[woven gate]

i can't win as ethiopia bc i don't have the focus tree

[frail bolt]

Is this non hist? Because Voralberg is owned by swisterland

[patent thistle]

yep non hist

oh hell naw poland did the ribbentrop-beck pact-

nevermind with weakening germany-

[frail bolt]

France using napoleon’s tactics to reach Frankfurt

[woven gate]

they should've dropped me in the 1800s i'd have been one hell of a general

[strong umbra]

no

[woven gate]

sush

shush

[strong umbra]

you are NOT him

btw im gonna try a Bulgaria world conquest its gonna fail miserably but I will try valiantly

[woven gate]

i am HIM

[strong umbra]

yes thats your pronoun

he/him

[woven gate]

true

[fair horizon]

woops

[strong umbra]

please respect my pronouns

[woven gate]

that's a hell of a lot of pronouns

[strong umbra]

yes

[patent thistle]

HEY GET OUT OF HERE THIS IS MY SEA

[woven gate]

check your messages bruh

99+ my ass

[fair horizon]

[woven gate]

8 kills by Canada

[fair horizon]

very strong nation

the mighty australian navy

[patent junco]

brrrrr

[patent thistle]

💀

[fair horizon]

i dont have nearly as much divs as the UK im just that good

[heavy vigil]

i should play czechoslovakia for no apparent reason

[fair horizon]

casey you hurt me

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon happy now with the ships? (-the speed)

[heavy vigil]

im sorry for telling you to play mildawn

thats like traumatizing

[patent thistle]

what the hell happend-

[analog dawn]

Guys I am confused I Love the victorian era but i want the people to play with tooo which one should i get vic 3 or hoi4

[fair horizon]

no i mean playing the czechs

[fair horizon]

very

[patent thistle]

i am also refitting the shitty destroyers so they get to do something

why the hell is the better one cheaper then the earlier one- 😭

[iron iron]

German ai is on drogen

[patent thistle]

accurate

[south mountain]

Best country to play Navy?

[patent thistle]

japan

[iron iron]

I see mfs say that German ai is bad

[south mountain]

But Japan feels hard

Because of 500 limitations

[heavy vigil]

idk try portugal or spain or anyone who can annex south america

[iron iron]

For me they always beat the soviets and help you if you need it

[fair horizon]

because technically it would have to replace more stuff i think

[heavy vigil]

you get a lot of build slots and free ships

[patent thistle]

no the better one legit only has the better guns 😭

[heavy vigil]

japan doesnt really have any

[south mountain]

Is Germany worth it?

[south mountain]

I mean

[heavy vigil]

germany is the strongest in any chosen thing if they choose to be in this game because theyre stupid OP

[fair horizon]

oh thats bs, they gave the casualties to the UK because they had ONE div in the fight

[heavy vigil]

?

[fair horizon]

this is that place from lotr

[south mountain]

Somehow Germany AI in RT56 loses to USSR 💔

[patent thistle]

definetly. but then again you have italy as your "ally"

[south mountain]

I wish if I did not have to manage the army feature in game as japan

[heavy vigil]

doesnt matter losing as germany is just skill issue

[south mountain]

But I guess

[patent thistle]

agreed

[heavy vigil]

again try portugal or spain and go for south america

[patent thistle]

what i usually do as germany is kill italy

[heavy vigil]

or like brasil or argentina

youll have a good naval game

[south mountain]

Alr

[heavy vigil]

no big army stuff needed

[patent thistle]

because these idiots always just justify on switzerland when i dont call them in for some stupid reason

[south mountain]

I hate when they did that once

I was too focused and Switzerland took a lot of land

[patent thistle]

switzerland isnt difficult to defeat its just annoying as hell

[south mountain]

I mean

I forgot that it existed

And did not assign any units to it

Very annoying

[swift violet]

Just use cas on any tile you wanna push

30% max stats

[patent thistle]

isnt there a pop up which warns you that your ally is justifying on something?

[swift violet]

There should be

Normally if you're getting justified on or your allies are justifying on someone else

[south mountain]

Is it hard to lose as the USSR in hoi4?

[patent thistle]

i straight up didnt even bother getting those subs

[swift violet]

You shouldn't lose as the ussr

[south mountain]

Like if you go to the regions where there is 0 supply you might stop losing

[swift violet]

USSR is the easiest major if you know how to micro well

[patent thistle]

just dont be an idiot and battleplan it

[south mountain]

Can't you just go to the regions where there is 0 supply

[fair horizon]

mine and britian's carriers :)

[swift violet]

You can battleplan if you go prussian leg germany inf

[patent thistle]

that looks like hms couragious

[south mountain]

I mean when playing AS THE USSR

[patent thistle]

at this point you arent even playing the game

[swift violet]

Winning is winning regardless of how you achieve victory

[south mountain]

You can battleplan anything if you are skilled enough

[south mountain]

That is why the spearhead order existed

[winter badge]

Its from this new dlc?

[patent thistle]

as germany it aint even skill

[fair horizon]

no

[swift violet]

Ussr just has to tank roach

Super simple

Get about 50 hc3 heavies by 1941 fully equipped

[south mountain]

Also

Is it hard to win as Germany in Kaiserreich?

[swift violet]

I'd say leaning on the yes side

Two front war

Either you slap france or russians asap

France probably safer since they'll cap sooner

[iron iron]

Lste game hoi4 is a fever dream

I am France

And Germany has abt 280 divisions on my borders

180*

Italy has abt 170

and I have like 280 on both combined

And allies have abt 100 on my side

Whenever I zoom in it lags

Becuz of how much units it has to render

[fair horizon]

I just lost power in the middle of my australia game 😭

[south mountain]

I guess play on ahistorical

[fair horizon]

I was crushing the italian navy (their convoys)

[south mountain]

But even then they have 300 divisions per tile

[robust burrow]

my ai hoi4 match has lasted almost 3 days and the ais aren't budging no matter how much equipment and manpower i give 🤧

they are in a fullstalement across the entire map and i don't wanna annex anything

do i just remove troops on 1 side to make it start moving

[analog dawn]

Guys suggest me a good mp server i am basically a noob

<3

[heavy vigil]

@fair horizon you australians are done for

[iron iron]

I always play historical

[iron iron]

That tank was designed in New Zealand I believe

anyways French potential is crazy

[patent thistle]

historical is boring

[iron iron]

Not for me cuz I grinded Germany

Now I’m trying other countries

And it’s fun

[patent thistle]

censor, that, word.

Fr*nch

[iron iron]

I have 6.5 million manpower and 280 divisions as France bruh

[patent thistle]

Fr#nce*

[iron iron]

French

France