hoi4-general

[lost coral]

its the "realistic" once

[twin nebula]

that's where the bots are always hiding their units

[gaunt raven]

true but with communist you dont run oout of manpower

[quick jungle]

Democratic Germany can become more powerful than nazi germany early game too

[polar radish]

Is there a way to select more than 1 ship at a time to refit?

[gaunt raven]

you dont need to go up to conscription

because you'll always have atleast 1m in reserve

[safe wing]

Running out of man power is impossible as eu Germany though given the cores

[gaunt raven]

never used it

[lost coral]

YOO

[gaunt raven]

im not one for democracy

[gaunt raven]

twins

[quick jungle]

How do you get a 72 general bro

[lost coral]

TRWINS

[safe wing]

You core all this

[gaunt raven]

defense order

[lost coral]

its set on area defense

[gaunt raven]

ALL???

[safe wing]

Yeah

[gaunt raven]

what the hell

[lost coral]

wtf

how

[quick jungle]

I do that and it keeps the same cap

[gaunt raven]

im still not playing democratic germany

[safe wing]

Do the eu path as either imperial or democratic Germany

[polar radish]

OR do i have to select each one

[gaunt raven]

weird

[lost coral]

nice

[quick jungle]

As democratic Germany you can get an INSANELY OP ALLIANCE

[gaunt raven]

idk then

[gaunt raven]

im not worrying about op

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/500-ciggarettes-gif-11805300176740010737

500M manpower

[quick jungle]

Since a lot of Eastern Europe that hates the USSR will join, including the Scandinavians

[gaunt raven]

I dont do space marines or anything like that

I like my

basic panzer divisions

and actually having to do everything manually

[safe wing]

Best democratic path imo is democratic king Italy because of how versatile it is

[gaunt raven]

I dont need allies

if its you against the world

just use defensive doctrine

dont move infantry and slowly micromanage tanks

[safe wing]

No civil wars, Rome, greater Italy and EU formables and all the fascist war goals

[gaunt raven]

I never lose

[quick jungle]

Best one in the balkans is Bulgaria if we go politically because women’s rights, yeah that’s it

[gaunt raven]

give me the rhine

and ill take all the land

[quick jungle]

You also, fun fact, if you choose to get rid of hitler the Rhineland is remilitarized and doesn’t generate tension

[safe wing]

But seriously Italy without the balance of power civil war mechanic is less stressful

[gaunt raven]

how do you choose to get rid of hitler

[quick jungle]

It’s in the focus tree

If you take it, you lose all nazi paths because they get removed from the tree

And you get 3 options, Kaiser, democracy, and communism

I choose democracy because the other 2 options are worse if you think about it

[gaunt raven]

oh that

yes

I knew that

I thought you meant a decision or something

im ngl I have 900 hours

[quick jungle]

How long did it take you to learn navy?

[gaunt raven]

5

[safe wing]

Democratic king Italy you should try next @gaunt raven because you don’t have the civil war balance of power mechanic and all these end game options

[quick jungle]

110 for me

[gaunt raven]

the ai usually never goes above tier 1 cannons

so even if you just use tier 2 stuff

its still better

[lost coral]

yall internet also failed?

[gaunt raven]

if you bring 2 carriers

[safe wing]

No

[gaunt raven]

atleast 8 battleships

[lost coral]

ok

[gaunt raven]

some escort cruisers

and a bunch of destroyers

you can destroy the british navy

in under a year

its just finding them

[quick jungle]

Yeah uhh, might wanna see how this worked out for the Japanese AI

[gaunt raven]

dont even need 8 battleships

[safe wing]

Low key I slept on democratic king Italy because I thought it was boring

[gaunt raven]

the ai is not that great at navy

they never adapt either

they only adapt if you use submarines

[quick jungle]

Do you see how outnumbered I was

[safe wing]

I was grossly mistaken

[gaunt raven]

yes

[quick jungle]

1 destroyer and a fighter gone

[gaunt raven]

but I bet your ships were also better equipped

[quick jungle]

And the imperial fleet has tens of thousands of men missing

[gaunt raven]

I think I did this before with the british navy

something like 4 battleships 2 carriers a handful of destroyers and 8 cruisers

vs 8-9 battleships

4 carriers

a ton of destroyers

and some british planes from mainland

93% of the british fleet was destroyed

like a single carrier got away

I lost 4 destroyers

and 2 subs

but again if you just use tier 2 weapons

you will always beat any ai navy

[quick jungle]

An estimated 25k imperial sailors died in that naval battle

[gaunt raven]

The ai sucks at navy when you learn it

I was playing japan and I sunk most of the american navy

[quick jungle]

300 sailors of mine dead

[gaunt raven]

I barely lost anything besides escorts

[tulip thorn]

The ai just sucks at everything lol

[gaunt raven]

true

besides teaming up on you the second you play multiplayer

the ai immediately forms a giant megafaction

and gangs up on you against that other player

[quick jungle]

The AI is good at air though

[gaunt raven]

no it isnt

[quick jungle]

It is sometimes

[violet veldt]

Nah

[tulip thorn]

Its not

Lmao

[gaunt raven]

I've never had problems with it

[tulip thorn]

Ai is shit at air

[quick jungle]

They will send multiple airfields at you if you have 1 maxed out btw

[safe wing]

Ai is bad at everything unless…

[gaunt raven]

and I still win

[tulip thorn]

And?

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/sheep-chew-gif-3574608001685211416

[tulip thorn]

You destroy them all

Unless you have terrible planes

[quick jungle]

Probably because they never advance it

[gaunt raven]

500 of my models were shredding through 3000 allied fighters

no problem

[tulip thorn]

Yeah exactly

[safe wing]

I destroyed the luftwaffe as France and Italy before

[quick jungle]

Like you could have jet fighters late game and the AI is still on Fighter 2s

[tulip thorn]

Ai is shit at literally everything

[gaunt raven]

reminds me

its always a garunteed loss with a airbattle over britain

[safe wing]

Like Germany had no planes left

[gaunt raven]

even with a ton of bombers

[gaunt raven]

realistic if you were britain

[quick jungle]

What about max trained jet fighters?

[safe wing]

Iike they had a hundred tops

[gaunt raven]

still wont

pretty sure britain gets an AA bonus

and its hard to hit aa

[safe wing]

British planes

[gaunt raven]

if they have 1000 fighters up

your bombers cant coordinate

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-closet-gif-21176249

[gaunt raven]

I had something like 1000 tacticals and 800 strategic

[quick jungle]

2000 Max Trained Jet Fighters 2

[gaunt raven]

with a bunch of fighters

[woven gate]

can i perhaps become belgian

[gaunt raven]

vs 1000 british fighters

on mainland uk

and they destroyed my airforce

because of AA

[safe wing]

@gaunt raven uk with air production in hoi4

[gaunt raven]

so true

[quick jungle]

You need to include fighter planes dawg

[gaunt raven]

I did

heavy fighters and normal fighters

[safe wing]

Fighting the uk over the homelands is a waste like it was irl

[quick jungle]

It’s best if you also train your air force before deploying them

[gaunt raven]

but over mainland britain

[gaunt raven]

they were trained

somem were even aces

its just maxed out aa with fighters

[fair horizon]

Did you have good mission efficiency?

[gaunt raven]

its impossible to penetrate on britain

[gaunt raven]

I had the best I could get

I might've messed up

[quick jungle]

What if you deploy 10k Fighter Jet 2s at max training and multiple aces against Britain?

[gaunt raven]

ok yeah

that would kill britain

10k is alot

[quick jungle]

It’s not hard to get 10k rocket fighter 2s though

[gaunt raven]

but I had to focus production on other things like a ton of tanks infantry equipment

I was invading Russia

[fair horizon]

radar on the coast to get better fighter detection? Range to get the region maxed? Did have fighters in the english channel to counter them there too?

[quick jungle]

Mainly because of the rising production efficiency they get easily

[gaunt raven]

I pulled back my strategic before they got destroyed

but all my tacticals and fighters

died

[gaunt raven]

I did

[quick jungle]

Please tell me part of your air doctrine had an air efficiency boost

[gaunt raven]

it could have just been

because I waited too long

[gaunt raven]

yes

[quick jungle]

Oh god

Did you get an air leader to increase it too

[gaunt raven]

it was 1944

[gaunt raven]

no

[quick jungle]

That’s why then

You need them

[gaunt raven]

I was just gonna bombard britain

from france

[quick jungle]

They are the life saver

[gaunt raven]

with rockets and cannons

[quick jungle]

Why can’t you use very long range artillery to bombard the shit out of enemies?

Like can’t you get the Schwerher Gustaf as Germany?

[gaunt raven]

the only problem with using the long range artillery guns

[gaunt raven]

you can get railway guns as every country

[fair horizon]

Because most artillery doesnt hit london from france

[gaunt raven]

but they only

strike units

they dont hit factories

or anything like that

[gaunt raven]

exactly

V2 rrockets do

and V1's do I think

idk I havent used v1s in a while

I just skip to v2

[fair horizon]

I dont even think the gustav had the range to shoot that far

[gaunt raven]

only one province in france

actually has the capability

to hit britain I think

[quick jungle]

How wide is the smallest gap in the English Channel?

[gaunt raven]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-gif-1513909799415806793

ts how I stare at the air results over the english channel after it shows me "x82 ju-88, 1 destroyer"

[fair horizon]

I think its like 24 miles? Might be km though because they measure in commie numbers instead of freedom units

[quick jungle]

The Gustav is lucky if it’s at the Dover gap, since it’s 27 mile range is good

[fair horizon]

so probably not london then

[quick jungle]

6.9 miles

[gaunt raven]

commie numbers and noto freedom units 😭

[woven gate]

wt discord is harassing a woman so i'm gonna be here

[opal nymph]

War thunder discord?

[woven gate]

yeah

it's a lot less calm there

[opal nymph]

Not surprised

[woven gate]

it's like going to a bar and this is home

with that said i'm at the bar a lot

[quick jungle]

Aren’t most WT fans sexist?

[woven gate]

anyways, someone wanna give me a country to play

[opal nymph]

I swear war thunder cultivates some sort of community

[woven gate]

most is an understatement

[opal nymph]

Netherlands

[woven gate]

everyone but me, more like

[woven gate]

no

[opal nymph]

Well, shucks

[quick jungle]

Like, I like WT and I view all genders and sexualities as equal

[fair horizon]

i mean tbf the scharnhorst and the warspite hit moving targets further than that and the massachutses hit the jean bart from futher than that though the jean bart was stationary

[opal nymph]

I gave a country and it wasn't accepted

[woven gate]

i'm not playing north belgium

[fair horizon]

still think the idea would be dumb though

[opal nymph]

I remember a german player complaining that his tiger died to an m36

[woven gate]

no way i'm holding out against germany as the netherlands anyways

[opal nymph]

And said Germany suffers basically

[quick jungle]

Play Czechoslovakia, and build forts before hitler wants to eat you

[opal nymph]

It has an exile path

[woven gate]

seems possible, i've done it before

[quick jungle]

I conquered Germany as the Czechoslovakians twice too

[woven gate]

just annoying since germany gets buffs for being germany

[fair horizon]

its true i was the sherman that shot his barrel out

[quick jungle]

If you go down the focus tree, you get amazing defense stats

And also if you train your troops

[opal nymph]

Bro expects to angle against an American 90mm

[woven gate]

i know it's possible but i don't feel like thinking about now

[fair horizon]

funny thing is that the panther's ufp is still basically impenetrable but the jumbo gets oneshot by any panther through the top while angled

not sure why more german mains dont play panthers

[opal nymph]

I successfully lower front plated a panther and laughed

[fair horizon]

they're really good

[opal nymph]

I also upper front plate a panther by ricocheting my shell from its barrel

Peak comedy

War thunder is a hyper realistic game

[quick jungle]

Absolutely is, since Czechoslovakia has a very good industrial start you can get enough stuff to fight off the nazi pigs

[opal nymph]

Czechs also used to have the only 14 day focus in the game

Until GDR

[fair horizon]

czechs nerfed 😭

[opal nymph]

They got buffed

Their generic focus names were updated

[quick jungle]

They only are nerfed by the internal divide

[opal nymph]

And they got new icons for some of them

[woven gate]

the czechs have like a third the industry they had irl in hoi4 or they'd be insane

czechoslovakia was probably the 5th-6th strongest country on earth at one point probably

[quick jungle]

The Czechs had a superior industry militarily irl compared to the Germans too

[opal nymph]

That would be a Germany buff when they get thrown under the bus

[woven gate]

they had skoda

[opal nymph]

Czechs should have gotten more content for all the arms they exported

[quick jungle]

The Germans wanted more than the Sudetenland, they wanted the Czechoslovakian military industry

[lost coral]

quintlets

[opal nymph]

They were like the top arms exporter at the time

[quick jungle]

They get insane content with a single DLC

[opal nymph]

They got some bonuses from AAT?

[quick jungle]

Skoda works military, was INSANE

[quick jungle]

AAT?

[opal nymph]

Arms Against Tyranny

[woven gate]

Pz. 38 was Czech and it was better than the Pz. II

[quick jungle]

Lemme check DLCs

[opal nymph]

That was the dlc with international arms market

[tranquil lion]

How does this focus work?

[woven gate]

they should make a realistic Czechoslovakia mod

[opal nymph]

The DLC the czechs had was integrated

Death or dishonor

[woven gate]

but then the Germans would get bodied

[tranquil lion]

How would I be annexing territories in Africa if it's all colonized by the Allies?

[quick jungle]

The Germans only won against Czechoslovakia because of their blitzkrieg tactic, that’s literally or

[opal nymph]

You do it and other majors go "yep, you are cool" or "you arent an empire noob"

[woven gate]

the Germans only won because the Czechs didn't wanna fight

[tranquil lion]

Mainly talking about this part:

[quick jungle]

Blitzkrieg, Unwilling army, insane drug use, and larger numbers

[opal nymph]

It is cheaper in the peace deal

[tranquil lion]

That seems kinda pointless.

[woven gate]

if Czechia and France did some Little Entente type shit they'd have WRECKED the Germans and we'd all be happily ever after

[quick jungle]

It was reported the German forces were taking meth in a pill form during the invasion of Poland and Czechoslovakia too

[opal nymph]

I dont think there was much armed resistance by the czechs against the Germans until actual ww2

I know the czech resistance took out heydreich

Whatever that nazi was called

[safe wing]

You have to have ethopia Albania, and a big ass army

Ethopia or Albania can be directly controlled or puppeted

[tulip thorn]

Someone call gordon freeman

[faint fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/they-got-him-ted-ted-show-gif-4342699035732514153

[faint fiber]

perfection

[twin nebula]

fuh is this

[faint fiber]

anime

[twin nebula]

just play normal hoi4 💔

hearts of women 5 or some shi

[faint fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-how-about-no-austin-powers-gif-17640212

[tulip thorn]

Equestria at war is better than normal hoi4

Normal hoi4 is way to normal

[twin nebula]

arguably no

the ponies just make it weird

[tulip thorn]

They make it better

[twin nebula]

RT56 is 100% a better way to play

equestria at war

[safe wing]

RT56 mid

[twin nebula]

not so much

[faint fiber]

agreed

[twin nebula]

better than equestria at war 😭

[tulip thorn]

No

road to 56 is good

But Equestria at war solo's every other mod

[twin nebula]

impossible to keep a straight face encircling ponies

[twin nebula]

kaiserreduxx?

[tulip thorn]

They are close

But the ponies give equestria at war the edge

https://tenor.com/view/gangnam-style-my-little-pony-mlp-pinkie-pie-pony-gif-26241838

[twin nebula]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940680252739448896/1475118512723984595/image_2.gif

[faint fiber]

normal HOI4 is C tier at best

[tulip thorn]

yep

I agree

I actually really dont like base game

[faint fiber]

Equestria at war is automatic S tier

The Great War Redux is A tier

[tulip thorn]

I dont like great war redux tbh

[faint fiber]

why

[tulip thorn]

I just dont, too much and too little going on

Mechanics are weird and confusing

[heavy vigil]

mildawn:

[vital cove]

worst mod ever

[tulip thorn]

Italy in that mod is the most unfun i've had as italy

[tulip thorn]

Atleast mildawn let me have fun as italy 😭

[vital cove]

if i wanted to play eco simulator I'd play eco simulator

not hoi4

[heavy vigil]

the 1gb non ironman compatible dutch planes mod:

[faint fiber]

add the anime mods

[vital cove]

hey at least the game is still playable with it

[heavy vigil]

saves are incompatible and its literally just dutch plane designs and models

[vital cove]

did someone make it specifically for you

[heavy vigil]

and only for like vanilla

[tulip thorn]

Not intrested in anime :)

[tulip thorn]

And that wont fix how horrible Italy is in the mod

[heavy vigil]

no but i found it while browsing for model mods

visuals in game :D

[faint fiber]

I have a submod for Equestria at war

[craggy trail]

[heavy vigil]

equestria submod for vanilla portraits models icons and flags when

[faint fiber]

never

[tulip thorn]

When someone who really really really really hates the ponies really likes the mod

[vital cove]

EaW has rhe best ui for overhaul mod

(just vanilla ui)

[heavy vigil]

the issue with eaw i have is that all countries are modelled after europe and i want interesting low supply/low ic gameplay thats difficult while metagaming smh

also i need to learn meta for things but thats chill

[tulip thorn]

Kingdom of the zongo:

[heavy vigil]

what does it have going on

[tulip thorn]

Just that area had horrible supply

[tulip thorn]

They just got a realyl good focus tree in the last update

[heavy vigil]

like ethiopia or afghanistan are fun

[tulip thorn]

And that area has horrible supply

[heavy vigil]

its over....

probably bloated asf

[tulip thorn]

not really

[heavy vigil]

any time something has content its bloated

[tulip thorn]

Even the buffs you get are modest

[heavy vigil]

well not always

90% of the time

if it gives buffs without significant debuffs its usually bloated imo

[tulip thorn]

I'd say just try it out

Lan Kir Militarchy is also pretty balanced

[craggy trail]

Welcome to the Zongo

[tulip thorn]

I liked that nation

[tranquil lion]

How good is April 6th/7th for time as far as capping Ethiopia? I feel like I played as optimally as I could (wanted to avoid the exile government bs).

[faint fiber]

just do the annex command

[heavy vigil]

optimal is february afaik but youre fine

[tranquil lion]

How?

[craggy trail]

There's a Deponification mod somewhere that replaces all the pony potraits with humans, but I don't think it is updated to the latest version of the mod

[heavy vigil]

idk ask foxsy

(not on this server but on untitled and sheeps server)

[vital cove]

there's a sheep server?

[heavy vigil]

italy guide soon apparently

[craggy trail]

🐑

[heavy vigil]

yeah ?

[vital cove]

can u send me an invite

[heavy vigil]

no muahuahua

dmed you

[tulip thorn]

Peak

strait to the folder

[sly sluice]

saying fk during 🔞 is the same thing as yelling PARKOUR when you parkour. have a nice day

[dire hornet]

conflicting signals ahh

[slow pond]

what happened to hoi4 mods? Do i have to revert my hoi4 to older versions to play r56 for example?

[craggy trail]

Road to 56 should be up to date with the current version of the game

[craggy trail]

Though if you are playing mods that have not yet updated to No Compromise, No Surrender, you will have to revert the game version to an older one

[woven gate]

why does teddy have those

[faint fiber]

have what

[jade rose]

teddy's roosevelts

why is theodore an anime woman

what will that mean for the economy of albania?

[faint fiber]

mod

[jade rose]

well i got that

[tranquil lion]

How can I delete these templates? Does the focus in the second image do anything about them?

[jade rose]

could be wrong

i thinkg the purge the party is only poilitical

[tranquil lion]

Dang

[fair horizon]

Get them encircled

[jade rose]

advisors n shit

[jade rose]

that

but you have to have a war for thas

[tranquil lion]

That's the plan

[fair horizon]

I leave them on savoy or w/e and let france kill them

[tranquil lion]

Hopefully I can get Turkey to kill them.

[dusky burrow]

Yeah that area of Turkey has barely any supply

How large is your army btw

[tranquil lion]

Small

[dusky burrow]

Is it larger than 30-40 divisions of 9/0s?

[tranquil lion]

Pretty much base, but we're winning fine.

[tranquil lion]

I know this screenshot looks the opposite because of the red bubbles, but trust me.

[dusky burrow]

Your army is in desperate condition

They are undersupplied and it seems like you're battleplanning while doing so

You're probably losing thousands of men a day through ill considered frontal assaults

[tranquil lion]

That was during the brief naval invasion period while the Turks were low org.

I'm microing almost completely now.

[dusky burrow]

i see

[tranquil lion]

These are the casualties.

Pretty much nothing at all, and we've taken 1/4 of Turkiye.

[dusky burrow]

oh okay

I'm shocked, I lost like 60k troops taking a quarter of turkey as Iraq Kurdistan route

Turkey lost 3 times the number

[ionic acorn]

Hi guys. Goodnight!

[woven gate]

goodnight

[woven gate]

shouldn't be too hard

[tranquil lion]

I mean I'm also Italy, I have the dudes to spare.

[woven gate]

and the equipment

and hopefully the Industry

[violet veldt]

Just have them on garrisons

"Oh i have annoying divs i cant get rid of" garrisons

[tranquil lion]

Adaptable 1937

So hyped right now

Absolutely cracked general

[solemn bay]

Why man, just why

[woven gate]

how'd you make it to turkey

[tranquil lion]

Naval invasions

Also how we'll make it to Romania.

[woven gate]

got it

i usually don't naval invade that far

i'm a paratrooper guy generally (it's my recent obsession)

[fair horizon]

i think speical ones like that cant be garrisons

but the issue is that you cant delete them either so

[tranquil lion]

I actually never learned how to use paratroopers.

Took a while, but my naval invasion succeeded.

It's a subpar area of Romania, but Constanta was too heavily guarded for my shitty early game naval invasion tech.

[midnight flame]

Not the Jeffrey I was talking about bro 💔

[buoyant tide]

Its my first time playing Hoi4, can i get any help or Suggestion?

[midnight flame]

Delete this game and refund your money

[buoyant tide]

Wait what?

[midnight flame]

Honestly bro

Just play around until you get it

[fair horizon]

chat i just want to say it really irks me how torpedo destroyers are meta rn

[midnight flame]

It'll take like 2 or 3 weeks

And don't be afraid to use console commands

But don't get dependent on them

[tranquil lion]

The default tutorial isn't great, I'd reccomend turning to YouTube.

I could also help get you started.

It's a complicated game with a lot of mechanics you'll need to master, so just don't get overwhelmed and you'll be fine.

[fair horizon]

i wonder which german reich is the real one

[slim idol]

Probably the one in actual German land

[fair horizon]

anyone have any mod reccomendations?

[tranquil lion]

Italy in 1938 if it just locked in.

[tranquil lion]

If I choose Italo Balbo as my leader, can he still be shot down and die?

[tulip thorn]

I dont think so

[woven gate]

it's a little harder than a naval invasion to set up

[tranquil lion]

Who would you guys recommend, Balbo or Grandi?

[high vector]

balbo seems more interesting, grandi seems like you're going to ally with the allies

[high vector]

hai everypony

.< :3 :p ^.^

[tranquil lion]

I mean I'm in the Axis, I should be able to do the whole "proclaim the Italian Empire" thing, and then just break the non-aggression pact.

[high vector]

yeah idk

i would do whichever one has the bigger tree

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/twistim-mlp-my-little-pony-happy-twilight-sparkle-gif-6481078317428471599

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/gangnam-style-my-little-pony-mlp-pinkie-pie-pony-gif-26241838

[buoyant tide]

Ohh ok

[high vector]

okay so apparently grandi is the best

[high vector]

unless you just want pure combat bonuses then balbo is better

[buoyant tide]

I kinda khow some thing but....

I don't know what is the best thing

Like best template infantry,ships,tanks and others

[fair horizon]

something something shed okay

[cedar kite]

balbo if you want air buffs

[high vector]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-fluttershy-gif-21377107

yea balbo is worse in every way except combat buffs

[tranquil lion]

That stuff generally comes down to a bunch of "rule of thumb" type metrics. For example: in tank templates, a combat width of 35 is usually optimal, as well as an armor value above 40-50, and an organization above 30/35. It's a lot of stuff like that, which you'll find on YouTube.

[tulip thorn]

I prefer Grandi because of the eco buffs

[buoyant tide]

I see

[tulip thorn]

But I also just really dont like the alternate fascist italy leaders

[fair horizon]

emanual or w/e his name is is my personal favorite when playing italy

[tulip thorn]

I always either stick with mussolini, or I go with the king

[high vector]

i dont think there's any point in going alternate fascist leaders, if you wanna oppose mussolini just go with the royalists

[tulip thorn]

And if im feeling fancy ill do the pope

[fair horizon]

you can go pope on italy?

[tulip thorn]

you didnt know?

[fair horizon]

ive played italy like 3-4 times i hate them

fake major

[tulip thorn]

You can become the papal states with a secret little part of the tree

[high vector]

yeah there's a king-papacy balance of power that starts when you get the king in charge, if you get 100% papal authority the pope takes over

it's not hard

[tulip thorn]

Thats only if you do the pope supprot focuses

[buoyant tide]

I think i gotta see some YouTube tutorial

[tulip thorn]

if you dont the grand council of fascism stays around

[high vector]

the grand council should go away after u get the king in charge

[tulip thorn]

It stays

[high vector]

weird

[fair horizon]

balance of powers kinda too suck ngl

[tulip thorn]

They arent that bad

[fair horizon]

im not a fan of any of them tbh

iirc sweden has a pretty annoying one?

mabye it was a different country

[grave sonnet]

There are some benefits some of them give buffs

[tulip thorn]

The finland one is fine

[fair horizon]

never played finland

[tulip thorn]

Easy to manage and gives pretty decent bonuses

[grave sonnet]

Finland one is amazing

The buffs are good

[tulip thorn]

Finland is a top 3 country for me

[grave sonnet]

Finland is underrated

Should be played more definitely

[tulip thorn]

1: Italy
2: Hungary
3: Finland

[fair horizon]

i played hungary twice and lost both times to germany

[heavy vigil]

how so

[fair horizon]

too many negatives and too big a tree imo

[heavy vigil]

have you tried raj

[tulip thorn]

The negatives arent that bad and very easy to fix

[heavy vigil]

its OP

[fair horizon]

never tried raj

[grave sonnet]

Raj is fun

[fair horizon]

i was gonna try iraq next

[high vector]

i wonder if they'll ever make an actual yugo tree

[heavy vigil]

its like you have no factories but youre bloated

[grave sonnet]

I tried The Akhand Bharat path

[winter badge]

Hello

[fair horizon]

famine

[heavy vigil]

nothingburger

make gun

[fair horizon]

how do you eat gun

[heavy vigil]

i dont think i can comment what i was going to say

[winter badge]

With Cheese and bread

[fair horizon]

i guess you get your iron

[grave sonnet]

Go full beaver on the wood part of the gun

[high vector]

https://tenor.com/view/headcrab-cat-gif-22077785

[grave sonnet]

He didn't like it at first but he just let it happen ig

[fair horizon]

whats the most fun iraq?

[grave sonnet]

The most fun Iraq is the one that doesn't exist

Jk

[fair horizon]

oh

[grave sonnet]

I only played the Hasshemite arap federation

For the achievement

[heavy vigil]

iraq?

[fair horizon]

yes

[heavy vigil]

iraq starts poor but gets focuses to be richer

like asking for jordan

you arealso guaranteed

so if someone attacks you, you are safe ish

[fair horizon]

im going sunni dominance

no clue what path does what so

improv expert general at start 🤤

[patent thistle]

for a little bit of fascism? i definetly take that

i banned fascism anyways so i dont even gain fascism

[frail bolt]

Free man power

[patent thistle]

doing cursed tank finland lol

germany i tell you kindly to f off

[fair horizon]

which one of these is better?

[patent thistle]

out of my gut i would say "the new caliph"

[fair horizon]

i was thinking that too but im not really in the mood to fight the allies at the same time

also democratic 🤮

[patent thistle]

okay do the other then

finish navy the only focus being to not need coast guards

against the soviets

[heavy vigil]

new caliph goes hard

[fair horizon]

eh im bored of iraq already

[heavy vigil]

what are you looking for

[fair horizon]

dunno

i dont think ill find it in base hoi4

[patent thistle]

should be enough to secure my coast

[heavy vigil]

naval underdog or whats your interest

i have interests in like regions

[fair horizon]

arent those coastals light attack ones?

[fair horizon]

oh they have the big guns

[heavy vigil]

romania navy build when vendrip

[fair horizon]

playing romania again 🤮

[patent thistle]

actually fairly easy

[heavy vigil]

yugo?

[patent thistle]

done that multiple times

[patent thistle]

one big gun and one light cruiser gun

(this is still cursed-)

dont think steiner can save this anymore

[fair horizon]

i had in one save a japanese heavy cruiser that had light guns

real heavy cruiser mind you

[patent thistle]

that happends sometimes because the game shits itself and shows a light cruiser as a heavy

[fair horizon]

it still was a capital lol

[patent thistle]

doesnt change what i said

the dutch have one coastal defensive ship which is counted as a heavy cruiser even tho it only has light guns

[fair horizon]

thats a coastal though

they're always weird

[patent thistle]

true

still though

[patent thistle]

it changes when you refit it funnily

[dusky burrow]

Imagine if this happened in real life

[patent thistle]

oh this is just cruel AI-

yes let them have their supply capital in a encircled city

meaning nothing gets supply

[trim lotus]

I see nothing wrong with this map. Czechoslovakia was always destined to become Czechodeutchoslovakia.

[patent thistle]

.

[trim lotus]

Sacrifices had to be made for the sake of Czechodeutchoslovakia.

[celest dirge]

Is strategic bombing shit? I mean against AI everything look good, but do strategic bombing really useful?

[patent thistle]

i dont even know how germany is STILL holding on

[trim lotus]

I would at the very least put much more effort into single-engine fighters and CAS. However, it could potentially be useful for sapping enemy war support, and possibly also bombing down enemy fortifications.

[patent thistle]

with very great bombers you fairly easily become a menace in MP

dont mind the baltic

a "fair" split

[fair horizon]

it can be good, you destroy railways and the ai usually doesnt compensate for too much bombing so they end up with supply issues/production issues

[patent thistle]

latvia totally not being some livonian order type shit-

[heavy vigil]

kills prod efficiency

[grave sonnet]

The perfect border

[heavy vigil]

kills supply

[patent thistle]

dont exactly know if latvia is happy or sad

[heavy vigil]

kills airfields

[celest dirge]

isn't using tactical bomber for supply will be cheaper?

[patent thistle]

ye but less effective per plane

[heavy vigil]

strat bombing mission strong is all

[heavy vigil]

better per MIC

[grave sonnet]

True NGL they lost half

Atleast they gained some of Estonia

[celest dirge]

Is there any strategic bombing meta, or just situation useful?

[heavy vigil]

in mp

in sp theres faster ways to win

[patent thistle]

there is a reason logistics bombing is banned in quite a few MP games

[fair horizon]

id rather spend the ic on cas and fighters to nuke enemy divisions

at least in sp

[patent thistle]

ye for SP you really do not need to put your time into strat bombers

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[heavy vigil]

its good if you want to vaporize a country so you run out of supply while pushing

[fair horizon]

unless you wanna nuke bhutan a bunch

me and my brother nuke countries that ask us for non-agression pacts

[warm valve]

Any good short vid out there to learn hoi ?? So i dont get shat on by poland as germany 😭😭😭

[fair horizon]

build light cruiser

[celest dirge]

air power is one of most important aspect of the game, yet i feel it really feel uninteresting to interact with it. Like the way from production line to victory is too short.

[warm valve]

Yeah same with navy , i just give up on navy from start lmao

[heavy vigil]

1h is minimum for basics

[warm valve]

Yeah

[heavy vigil]

like a 1h vid

[warm valve]

Who has the best one though ???

Vid

[heavy vigil]

#ask-for-help-here pinned messages has some

[celest dirge]

navy is acually a little more complicated though, sure, it still very much more dockyard = win. But You can atually do some crazy thing.

[warm valve]

I know the basics but, I always bottle everything mid game

U know what i mean

[fair horizon]

in multiplayer probably but you can build quality ships and if you build your admirals right its easy to beat the bigger ai fleets

[obsidian sapphire]

Hi I'm new to this game

What resources can I study

I even surrendered to Ethiopia in the tutorial

[celest dirge]

One of the worst turorial . Still we have some pinned guide in #ask-for-help-here

[fair horizon]

such a bad tutorial it doesnt even teach navy smh

[obsidian sapphire]

Is it normal if I still can't defeat Poland as Germany for three days

[fair horizon]

if you're not sure how to play the game completely

[obsidian sapphire]

Exactly

[celest dirge]

Very normal, in fact, newbie got beaten by poland is quite common

[obsidian sapphire]

I've watched some videos and followed them exactly but still got beat by Poland

[fair horizon]

ive never lost to poland personally but i figured out the basics by playing britian

[obsidian sapphire]

Which one of them is most recommended for complete beginners

[celest dirge]

I recommend Sweden or South America countries.

[fair horizon]

dominions might be a good choice too

[obsidian sapphire]

But what do I need to do if I'm neutral

[fair horizon]

canada

[obsidian sapphire]

What's the victory condition of this game? To conquer every place in the world?

[celest dirge]

They got weak neighbor (like really weak) and most of them expansion tree doesn't lead you to WWII.

[fair horizon]

could be conquer the world or pick a goal

technically i think beat the other majors and then have the most score is the win?

[obsidian sapphire]

If I take Sweden, what then should I do if I'm never gonna enter war

[celest dirge]

This game don't have victory condition, just play until you feel that clicking on screen isn't fun anymore.

[obsidian sapphire]

Is 1936 easier or 1939

[celest dirge]

1939 scenario don't exist, remeber that.

don't you dare to mention it.

[fair horizon]

I rember

[obsidian sapphire]

Why?

[fair horizon]

Becauase its bad

build up time gone

[obsidian sapphire]

So virtually no one plays 1939

[fair horizon]

Theres some people that do and achievements for it but 1936 is the preferred one for the majority of hoi4 players from what ive gathered

[obsidian sapphire]

OK So I'm gonna try Sweden in 1936

and do nothing just watch if Germany wins

[winter badge]

Hello

[obsidian sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCqXIRRVZIY

Is this video suitable for complete beginners?

[celest dirge]

You can use it like the backbone, and head to #ask-for-help-here when encouter some problems when playing.

[obsidian sapphire]

OK Thanks

[fair horizon]

Spoiler, it doesnt go well for germany

[celest dirge]

remember, they on show how it work, not how it work well, so yeah, just play your first game.

[obsidian sapphire]

How many hours on average is one able to understand the techniques of this game

I saw someone who had played 400 hours just be able to defeat Poland in the normal difficulty

[snow rain]

Hours don't mean anything
Reading is what makes you learn

[fair horizon]

I understood navy within 100 hours

Still cant tell you how to beat ground stuff or air wars but i can tell you how to put the british navy at the bottom of the ocean

[celest dirge]

Oh, 100 hours of total, or first 100 hours?

[fair horizon]

First 100 hours

[snow rain]

Most mechanics are very easy to get once you read the tooltip

Some need file digging which can be read about on reddit, here or forums

[celest dirge]

lol, i haven't seen anyone like you, understand navy but don't know other branh

[obsidian sapphire]

most videos tell beginners to ignore navy actually

[fair horizon]

Tbf its pretty easy

[snow rain]

Best example is division stats. Read the tooltip and you'll know which stat you need for which div

Then if you dig in files you'll know that some stats have hidden values like air atk having a 13.5 atk threshold to reduce 75% of cas damage

[fair horizon]

Make sure your ships are screened and level admirals

[celest dirge]

How prx intend it to work and how it actually work is quite different

[patent thistle]

why are there axis ships now in my harbor-

[snow rain]

Spam light cruisers with light atk, armor and 7 piercing

[fair horizon]

Free ships :)

[patent thistle]

kaga and akagi escaped communism? ig?

[celest dirge]

Yeah, it it, it is just that you don't need a navy to win for many countries.

[snow rain]

Navy from peace deals or from puppet you annexed

[patent thistle]

i wasnt even involved in the axis war-

[obsidian sapphire]

Are there any forums for complete beginners

[fair horizon]

Well right now the best meta is fast low visibility destroyers with some capital ships because if they lose any screening efficiency you start dunking on their capitals

Kinda dumb abuse of game mechanica

[patent thistle]

.

[fair horizon]

Also if you keep your fleet small because of positioning they never get to have full screening

[fair horizon]

This a mod btw?

[snow rain]

Look for segl on youtube. Very reliable info source

Bittersteel has some good tutorials too but don't take his designs, templates and doctrine choixes for fact, they aren't good but fine to start with

[patent thistle]

the only mod i have rightnow is the purchase ships mod my friend made but i didnt even buy ships- let me ask my friend rq what this is about

[snow rain]

Hoi4 is still a deathstack mechanic contrary to what big paradox wants you to believe

[celest dirge]

i knew that, but i mean it doesn't that matter if i purge all my admiral as USSR and don't even touch navy focus tree 🙂

[heavy vigil]

omg its francis from the french place

[snow rain]

Literally me

[heavy vigil]

must be from algieria it has a lot of people who speak french

maybe mali though?

[snow rain]

I'm pure french

[heavy vigil]

senegal??

[fair horizon]

YOU START WITH CAPITALS (debatable irl) USE THEM

[snow rain]

Real facts

[heavy vigil]

cote d'ivore?

idk what french countries there are by memory

[fair horizon]

France is a french country

[obsidian sapphire]

That's Cote de l'voire

[heavy vigil]

what?

[patent thistle]

MY FAVORITE SHIP (scharnhorst) ESCAPED COMMUNISM TOO-

[fair horizon]

The actual coolest german battleship ngl

[snow rain]

These are all french-speaking indeed, even if some have other languages too

[fair horizon]

I hate the bismarck

[heavy vigil]

why would they call a country after a language

[fair horizon]

Too much praise for a lucky shot

[patent thistle]

eh, i dont hate him i just hate how overpraised he is

[heavy vigil]

its like saying you live in englishland

[fair horizon]

They named mine after a language

[snow rain]

Franks didn't speak french :(

[fair horizon]

i speak american

[patent thistle]

the scharnhorst class also had ACTUAL impact

HMS Glorious

[heavy vigil]

then why call it france are they dumb

[patent thistle]

the only carrier vs battleship battle won by a battleship (correct me if i am wrong)

[fair horizon]

Thats why i like it, dare i say even tirpitz did more than the bismarck

[fair horizon]

Depends if you count the Gambiar Bay

Yamato sunk her

[celest dirge]

instruction unclear, process to sunk my ship in port and using naval gun for bunker and defense platform.

[patent thistle]

let me refraise, fleet carrier

[fair horizon]

They didnt burst into flames in port?

[patent thistle]

unironically i actually use the soviet capitals and refit them if i ever get them

[celest dirge]

why, they don't even have fuel and ammunition

[patent thistle]

Speaking of refits. time to refit those defectors so they can actually help my fleet

[fair horizon]

Its kinda a shame that all defualt battleships basically have the same design when most were quite different, i want the battleship designer updated

[patent thistle]

give me the option to Choose where to exactly place the guns

[celest dirge]

play VNR mod, you can't depend on PRX on this thing

[fair horizon]

Honestly a whole redo of the naval designer would be pretty cool

[fair horizon]

That just adds extra slots or something right?

[patent thistle]

for that paradox has to get their shit together and actually do content which is worth its money

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[celest dirge]

No, it much better, better AI design, more sensible stat and combat.

[patent thistle]

they USED to be able to, mind i remind you of no step back and by blood alone?

dont think the americans are going to have a great time

[fair horizon]

Anyone got any good mod reccomendations? Im bored of vanilla

[snow rain]

Ai was still bad before but not as bad because less manoeuvre margin

[snow rain]

World ablaze

[patent thistle]

fight for the fatherland

[heavy vigil]

mildawn

[fair horizon]

isnt mildawn like super bad preformance wise?

[heavy vigil]

yes

[snow rain]

WA is a Very harsh hist mod
Easier to get than BICE

[heavy vigil]

and wars take long

[patent thistle]

bud my shitty laptop can run that

[heavy vigil]

and economy takes long

[celest dirge]

bro really straight recommend WA

[snow rain]

Very good mod

Good challenge too

[patent thistle]

if you have something better then that + intergrated graphics, your fine

[fair horizon]

My computer is getting close to being a decade old

[snow rain]

I used to like total war as well but it's outdated now

[celest dirge]

You should have said that sooner

[snow rain]

I miss scenarios like battle of berlin and such

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon

[fair horizon]

I have an i5 with 4 threads

[patent thistle]

dont forget the 16 gigs of ram

[patent thistle]

same here 4 threats, 2 cores

[fair horizon]

Well ill give it a try then

You're allowed to do world conquest in mildawn right?

[heavy vigil]

i will say any mod made by chinese devs is usually peak

[heavy vigil]

theoratically

[patent thistle]

agreed

[celest dirge]

idk, i am better than that and mod crash like normal

[fair horizon]

Casey i cant talk about stuff in that mod right? Like eventd are against rules or something?

[patent thistle]

too bad a lot of them dont have it isnt localised

[fair horizon]

Cause modern politics?

[patent thistle]

or translated

[hushed lichen]

When sale come in

Been a year

[heavy vigil]

uuhh you can for mildawn but not tfr

[fair horizon]

Ah i was thinking tfr yeah

[heavy vigil]

as long as theres no politicians and stuff

[heavy vigil]

brother i have that issue with any overhaul mod

just live through it

[fair horizon]

I must make australian abrams and take over nz

[hoary sigil]

CPU is the most important part for performance in hoi4

[heavy vigil]

imo novus vexillum is more fun but its a lot like vanilla so

well kinda

[fair horizon]

Whats the one where germany won ww1 or 2? Kaiserriech?

[heavy vigil]

its like vanilla if they never updated mechanics past their initial update, in modern day, with some odd stuff

[heavy vigil]

fuhrerreich

[celest dirge]

Is it have new content?

[heavy vigil]

also kr

[heavy vigil]

you have high standards for novus

you can combine it with the uh chaos ai mod tho (1.5.4)

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1293066839

unc still works

[celest dirge]

yeah,that the reason i left it.

[patent thistle]

kind of crazy that the soviets have yet to come for my karelia

its 1941 damit

[dusky burrow]

you have 58 divisions ooh

[heavy vigil]

only if you have the 7.5 kb required space on your pc though

[dusky burrow]

Soviets shall tremble

[patent thistle]

but at what cost, i had to hire a fascist.

[heavy vigil]

liv does your pc have 7.5kb of storage space left

[celest dirge]

why you didn't go communist?

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah liv told me to go conquer the US

and i will likely fail

[patent thistle]

i rather go kill myself then go commie with finland

[dusky burrow]

i did

[dusky burrow]

how do you know

[celest dirge]

too bad, one of my fav playthrough is with Commie Fin and backshot Stalin

[dusky burrow]

more like 40gb but yeah

[heavy vigil]

also wow theres only 1 mod that adds content for trinidad and tobago

[patent thistle]

why is there even one to begin with-

[heavy vigil]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1253193251

it doesnt add a lot

there was some schizo like fiji mod out there or something similar

[patent thistle]

i am pretty sure you saw that greece mod already

[heavy vigil]

greece has tons of options

yeah i dont think im getting content for this challenge

theres no mods

trinidad is also mentioned in this mod

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2008004991

i dont think im getting unique content @dusky burrow youve actually found the singular nation that has nothing on the workshop

[patent thistle]

.

this greek mod

[heavy vigil]

looked OP

anyone wanna make a trinidad and tobago mod for me

[patent thistle]

you basically get another 2 battleships, 1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, 5 destroyers and 3 subs from that other focus "ships for the greater good"

[heavy vigil]

@ripe slate

i need your modding expertise

[patent thistle]

why do you want this so desperately-

[heavy vigil]

i got challenged to take over the US as them

[fair horizon]

Op

[patent thistle]

[heavy vigil]

ill try without content

maybe i should ping all game devs to make a mod for them

[fair horizon]

How much manpower do they have?

[heavy vigil]

/j

[heavy vigil]

more than western sahara for sure

[fair horizon]

Lmao

[heavy vigil]

they gotta have at least like 100K or something people it isnt even that bad

ill check

loading up sheeps mod rn

[patent thistle]

while on scraping the barrel lol

[heavy vigil]

thats tons

you even get a civ?

[fair horizon]

3 amtrac divs 🤤

A navy 🤤

[trim lotus]

Iceland gets less. This run, Iceland went to scraping the barrel and trained two whole divisions.

iceland may have suffered 18k casualties this run.

[patent thistle]

you mean the navy consisting of one destroyer?

[heavy vigil]

its similar

[fair horizon]

A small task force

[heavy vigil]

@fair horizon do i even bother with a navy

its gonna be sheeps ai

trinidad and tobago

vs the hist allies

[fair horizon]

Idk never played sheeps

[patent thistle]

oh hell naw-

[heavy vigil]

its gonna be easier trust

trust the process

maybe ill nuke the axis for some like suspense

max buff all allies would do it

just absolute agony inbound

[fair horizon]

Casey make a navy because its cool :)

[heavy vigil]

it might actually end up being worse than this /j

(it actually cant be because i wont be at war in 1937 and not vs the world)

[patent thistle]

HOW-

[heavy vigil]

and probably have a mil high command

i held!

did lose several divisions and had to train new ones mid combat

but yk

holding is holding

trinidad has 2 tiles?

OP

[fair horizon]

No encirclement penalty 🤤

[heavy vigil]

you dont get that anyway on an island

means you arent necessarily deleted in combat tho

[fair horizon]

well you also dont get deleted i guess

casey hear me out

carriers for more plane room

ten thousand cas

[heavy vigil]

first run i wont full buff allies

but if i manage to win then ill redo it with full buffs

just to be fair to the ai

trinidad is pretty OP

[patent thistle]

one must imagine poland very happy in this timeline

and france too.

ig.

[heavy vigil]

400K men??

ok this is broken

[grave sonnet]

Sup chat

How r we doing

[heavy vigil]

you ever played trinidad and tobago

[grave sonnet]

No?

[patent thistle]

still waiting for the soviets to send the demands (1941)

[grave sonnet]

Sounds like hell on earth

[heavy vigil]

sad i was looking for tips and tricks

[patent thistle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/bombaysoftwares-waiting-mr-bean-still-um2kBnfo55iW4ZH1Fa

[fossil dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/understandable-have-nice-day-have-a-great-day-have-a-good-day-nice-gif-20850110

[grave sonnet]

I don't have the mental capacity to play Trinidad

[fair horizon]

wait is mildawn the one with the economic money thing?

[grave sonnet]

🤝

[fair horizon]

where basically every country is broke?

[heavy vigil]

you also get tobago

[patent thistle]

how about doing a world conquest as the phillipines before the content came?

[grave sonnet]

True forgot about Tobago

[trim lotus]

Me? I'm being really sloppy, sending my armor out on long penetrations where they run out of fuel.

Stalin will punish me for this and cut off my spearheads any minute now, he just needs to replace enough divisions that he has at least one per four tiles.

[grave sonnet]

Hell nah

That's even worse probably

[ripe slate]

Yes, Casey?

[patent thistle]

i did that cause i was challenged back then

same with bangladesh

[grave sonnet]

Ic

[heavy vigil]

can you make a trinidad and tobago mod, its an untapped market

[grave sonnet]

So how did it end

Total Philippines Victory or

[heavy vigil]

you could become like a mainstream modder yk

[patent thistle]

yep

[grave sonnet]

Fre

Fire*

[patent thistle]

only took till like 1955 but i got it done

[fair horizon]

why is mildawn 1/4th the size of hoi4 smh

bloated mod

[grave sonnet]

Millennium Dawn sucks

If rather play R56

Than MD