alright thank you
#hoi4-general
rocky nexus
placid turret
Oh！Thank you!
fair horizon
chat someone that knows something about special projects, do certain options take longer?
eternal aspen
depends, it'll show you what each option does
tulip thorn
chat someone that knows something about special projects, do certain options tak...
Read the tooltip
eternal aspen
another tip for soviet focuses @rocky nexus, if you can, try annex all of finland or turn it into a puppet during the winter war
tulip thorn
Leave finland as a puppet so you dont have to guard the norway border
eternal aspen
what's the best german naval MIO's?
tulip thorn
and dont take Petsamo
eternal aspen
Leave finland as a puppet so you dont have to guard the norway border
DMZ their border too, iirc it stays that way
fair horizon
what's the best german naval MIO's?
are you building carriers or are you submaxxing?
eternal aspen
are you building carriers or are you submaxxing?
Plan Z
tulip thorn
DMZ their border too, iirc it stays that way
You dont need to DMZ it
rocky nexus
another tip for soviet focuses <@1319040286835474492>, if you can, try annex all...
for now im gonna try leaving finland alone, i'm not that good at it for now. i do see a focus that involves annexings parts of finland but that doesn't exactly mean what you're saying here
tulip thorn
Thats just useless 😭
eternal aspen
that's surface fleet
oak mantle
I just puppet all of finland or take it all tbh
You could puppet only northern finland to stop the germans from being annoying if u want
eternal aspen
for now im gonna try leaving finland alone, i'm not that good at it for now. i d...
you invade them, and then after a while you can take part
but doing so, weith historical focuses means they will invade again
fair horizon
that's surface fleet
eternal aspen
that's doctrine not company for research and such
and germany plan Z focuses more on capitalships iirc
fair horizon
oh im rarted, do the task force ship builders if you have it
eternal aspen
alr
also, this iirc is the best defence for the continuation war
because it's rivers, and defendable (losing Leningrad is just always bad)
fair horizon
otherwise escort ship builder for your escorts is good
eternal aspen
alr
fair horizon
nothing else really matters
eternal aspen
i prolly will do a lot of AA light cruisers and mine DD's
vague steppe
for now im gonna try leaving finland alone, i'm not that good at it for now. i d...
Bruh it’s not that hard
dusky burrow
still sort of weird tbh
vague steppe
Winning against Finland is 4 buttons on setting a frontline with your entire army
eternal aspen
i feel like we shouldn't start with a relatively ok Stuka as germany, combined arms focus gives it to us
by relatively ok, i mean for what it'd be used for before replacement
vague steppe
also, this iirc is the best defence for the continuation war
Honestly you’d only have to do that in sheep ai
fair horizon
it reminds me of that one british comic
fair horizon
could even go 1:2 if you use positioning and train your admiral to have fleet protector
dusky burrow
is naval ratio still like 1:3 capital to screen?
yeah
but some screens may die so you should aim higher
eternal aspen
could even go 1:2 if you use positioning and train your admiral to have fleet pr...
yes, but this is early game prep for ww2
dusky burrow
also, this iirc is the best defence for the continuation war
Yeah
eternal aspen
i plan for a 1:5 ratio
dusky burrow
although if you're the soviets in singleplayer you should have capitulated finland by then
eternal aspen
nah this is germany
because it's war against the british, yankee's, and (very very very minorly) the soviets, i'd rather have a decent surface fleet
fair horizon
i mean you're germany, you'll have plenty of ships by the time war breaks out
fair horizon
i never use subs
surface raiders do way better at convoy raiding
3 light cruisers put a fleet of 12 of literally the best subs you can make to shame
sub 4 level 4 torps, independant propulsion and radar 4
doesnt hold a candle to a level 2 gun basic cruiser
eternal aspen
meh, my surface fleet will primarily be composed of hard hitting BB's, soft atk BC's, AA CL, mix CL, attacker carriers, and mine DD
fair horizon
tldr i tried that and they killed like 15/40 convoys and my 3 cruisers killed 40/40
eternal aspen
that 1mg of eddie i took an hour ago finally hit and it's kicking me to the curb
and last june i played schizo mod, and every schizo sound is a blinker off a 99% yart
fair horizon
i need to play with that mod more
eternal aspen
i'm starting to do homebrewing for beers and ciders, so i'll do it with ya and i'll drink to every schizo
eternal aspen
meh, my surface fleet will primarily be composed of hard hitting BB's, soft atk ...
but anyways, this is the plan for the navy
i'm basing it relatively off a mix of British, American, and German naval ideas
fair horizon
hard hitting bbs are expensive so keep that in mind
fair horizon
make sure you can finish plan z
eternal aspen
oh i will
I plan to get about 200 or 300 DD's before i do the focus
i'm going long-run war buildup
like 1940 to 1941 start, bc it's only July of 1936 and i'm already prepping this
I'm about to get DD3
wait, no ima restart bc i wanna do my organization again
because doing day-1 naval prep is key for this strat
i gotta verify integrity though, bc i think i saved my mods updates to the actual pdx code not my mod
woven gate
nobody's ready for naval canada
eternal aspen
nobody is ever ready for the HMCS
fair horizon
canada gets a half off ice carrier
eternal aspen
canada needs a content rework
woven gate
canada's fun as is
all you really do is beat the crap out of the italians in north africa and destroy u boats but it's fun
eternal aspen
it's got shitty content to play as imo, especially considered india got an update
because it doesn't play up our major importance in british warfare in this era, it makes canada seem mostly as a joke
fair horizon
i want them to expand the naval designer, battleships are just too similar when design was pretty different for most early dreadnoughts
woven gate
i wanna become canadian but at the same time home is home yk
split bane
canada needs a content rework
Agreed, it's pretty outdated
woven gate
i wanna become canadian but at the same time home is home yk
i literally swapped from a US main to a Canada main
eternal aspen
like, without canada, the Dragoon, Warlord (what we call D-Day), and Husky operations would have failed
split bane
Isn't D-Day Overlord?
woven gate
Isn't D-Day Overlord?
yeah
canada landed at Juno
made it the furthest with the least men
eternal aspen
and canadians were in the british landings at Gold and Sword
split bane
canada landed at Juno
Yep, we were the first to land and we completed our day one objectives the fastest
eternal aspen
america is just the most famous because of how bloody it was
woven gate
america is just the most famous because of how bloody it was
and that it was
omaha was the most defended by quite a bit
eternal aspen
it was at a city too, tbf
woven gate
made it the furthest with the least men
i should immigrate
woven gate
it was at a city too, tbf
and most of the other beaches were conscripts
fair horizon
Invading Burma is brutal
wym? they actually have supply hubs
void harbor
woven gate
most of omaha was like german after german after german
eternal aspen
Canadians also helped in the siege of Hong Kong, and were one of the first nations to employ women in the army as infantry
void harbor
wym? they actually have supply hubs
i savescummed
perhaps my divisions are shit. I'm using 9/3
fair horizon
america is just the most famous because of how bloody it was
we needed to take the brunt though because the empire was in shambles by then
eternal aspen
issue is, most of that would be better as decisions or events
woven gate
britain letting their colonies do all the work
void harbor
possible to annex Burma as India?
eternal aspen
we needed to take the brunt though because the empire was in shambles by then
yea, france had better controls of their colonies than his majesty
heavy vigil
still sort of weird tbh
defensive kd is funny
eternal aspen
tbf, it also makes them reliant on britain who controls the resources for their armies
split bane
It's been said that Juno was originally called Jelly because the British were naming their beaches after fish: Gold(fish), Sword(fish), Jelly(fish) but it was changed because there was no way men were going to die on a beach called "Jelly"
But that's probably not true and a bunch of people say that Juno was the name from the beginning
void harbor
Canadians were maybe the most feared soldiers in WW2 and WW1
eternal aspen
fair, canadians also made fun of yankees for going to Husky (italy) not Overlord (Normandy-Paris)
or that they waited until after the canadians went to advance
heavy vigil
all ive done is make these dumbass planes and inf
eternal aspen
though that was because we are crazy bastards
woven gate
or that they waited until after the canadians went to advance
in the places they were
void harbor
were Canadians at Husky?
eternal aspen
Operation Husky, it was primarily british canadian corps with american soldiers who got shipped south to italy, instead of the cold, wet normandy
heavy vigil
defensive kd is funny
chat is this a good way to use my mils
split bane
Canadians also helped in the siege of Hong Kong, and were one of the first natio...
We also fed Britain, we sent a lot of food to them during the war and the Canadian navy was very instrumental in the Battle of the Atlantic
eternal aspen
chat is this a good way to use my mils
yes, bomb levant for the clout
fair horizon
chat is this a good way to use my mils
more missiles pls
eternal aspen
We also fed Britain, we sent a lot of food to them during the war and the Canadi...
frankly, it was still britains navy, we flew their flags on their ships
i feel like we could get a focus branch for canada
void harbor
Operation Husky, it was primarily british canadian corps with american soldiers ...
I’d rather be in Italy tbh
eternal aspen
same
void harbor
Although then you’d have to fight for Patton and he didn’t care if you died he just wanted to win, lol
eternal aspen
sexy women, good alcohol, cheap and rich coffee, it was beautifulk
eternal aspen
Although then you’d have to fight for Patton and he didn’t care if you died he j...
your life only mattered if he had a plan for your specific group
typically because they were daring or just SAS levels crazy
void harbor
sexy women, good alcohol, cheap and rich coffee, it was beautifulk
“Clark a Gable!!!”
fair horizon
I’d rather be in Italy tbh
brazil fought in italy too which was kinda cool
or mabye it was southern france
fair horizon
a lot of italians tried to surrender to them from what i understand
void harbor
At least on Sicily
fair horizon
RAAF was at normandy
they also fought in northern africa
thats where the HMAS Sydney did them proud
heavy vigil
yes, bomb levant for the clout
im bombing moscow for declaring war
heavy vigil
more missiles pls
im broke
fair horizon
Was New Zealand at Tobruk?
not sure but i know they were in the area
void harbor
ANZAC day is coming up
fair horizon
chat is the game lying to me
void harbor
novel nebula
had my first hoi4 playthrough
had 100+ units on poland
can you guess what happened
fair horizon
anzac is funny because you also have stuff like ABDA which was very unsuccessful
safe elbow
you know when ur cooked when u do a run with fully orthodox romania world conquer listening to 1 Hour of Chad Orthodox Chants
tulip thorn
Polish cavalry strong
fair horizon
Polish cavalry strong
this dude likes their ponies
tulip thorn
Pretty sure its just a claim
tulip thorn
this dude likes their ponies
no, its just that the winged hussars arrived
But yes I do
fair horizon
i wish this game had a go to button like stellaris did
void harbor
anzac is funny because you also have stuff like ABDA which was very unsuccessful
Oh yeah what a shit show
void harbor
I only win ww2 if I’m the allies
If I play as the axis I can only win if I’m Germany
fair horizon
I only win ww2 if I’m the allies
same
fair horizon
im still very angry that i lost my acheivement run because i switched map mods
void harbor
Haha rip
void harbor
I always wonder why India wanted to secede from Britain but Australia and New Zealand wanted to stay
fair horizon
i still dont have australia hungary achievment
tulip thorn
damn
fair horizon
also i hate puppeting things
why is it so much pp to annex a puppet?
its basically mine already
fair horizon
yeah but like why beat them there when you can beat them on the home islands?
void harbor
Too ez
fair horizon
chat what is this garbage?
void harbor
Is it possible to do a sea lion as Spain ?
tulip thorn
chat what is this garbage?
Its peak trust
fair horizon
how is this peak?
tulip thorn
Because it is
tulip thorn
Faster than the super heavies I be making
woven gate
I always wonder why India wanted to secede from Britain but Australia and New Ze...
cause australia and nz weren't really abused by britain like india was
fair horizon
😭
fair herald
has anyone ever actually instigated the Karelian uprising as Fascist finland?
vernal robin
has anyone ever actually instigated the Karelian uprising as Fascist finland?
Now knowing thats a thing, i gotta try lmao
fair herald
Now knowing thats a thing, i gotta try lmao
its down the finnish supremacy league path
vernal robin
Thanks man😊
fair horizon
which country sells guns at the start of the game?
heavy vigil
damn ai got an encirclement
heavy vigil
which country sells guns at the start of the game?
yemen, aussa, oman, bhutan, saudi arabia
dusky burrow
yemen, aussa, oman, bhutan, saudi arabia
aussa selling guns at the beginning of the game 💀
fair horizon
yemen, aussa, oman, bhutan, saudi arabia
ty, im playing peru casey
do i only get peru bolivia or can i do gran colombia too?
heavy vigil
ty, im playing peru casey
why do you need to buy guns as peru
fair horizon
1 mil
heavy vigil
plenty
fair horizon
and i want to early kill ecuador
heavy vigil
justify on ecuador (on core) ASAP
just make mils
ecuador has 1 div
they dont get spawn ins if you dont do the amazon war decision
fair horizon
i wasnt going to because its stupid requirements
oh yeah the usa has to be at war
no thank you
heavy vigil
just make mils
you can even go no garrisons if ur fast enough
do you wanna do the hard or easy way
the easy way is to do peru bolivia first gran columbia second
fair horizon
eh ill figure it out kinda way
thats kinda what i planned on
since i already have cores on at least ecuador
fair horizon
red i know :(
craggy trail
heavy vigil
so if you do gran columbia first its like better mentally
fair horizon
<a:pusheennoodles:754364256933118003>
you didnt see that
craggy trail
uncut wraith
i feel like the devs need to let the player be able to do stupid things instead of making me have to wait like 20 years to do a single naval invasion
digital aurora
this is what i feel like trying to invade the japanese home islands when they have 180 divisions on thier territory
uncut wraith
locking stuff behind a wall is a top 3 way to make a game not fun
heavy vigil
ngl @fair horizon
the colombian starting army is both really bad and pretty good
its your only scary opponent
fair horizon
im peru
fair horizon
oml i forgot about air lmao
heavy vigil
maybe navak invade if you can
heavy vigil
oml i forgot about air lmao
you have some
digital aurora
use 30 thermonuclear strikes
heavy vigil
its not the greatest airforce out there
fair horizon
its actually pretty equal ngl
heavy vigil
how
how do you lose 4K men
you just pin their division anywhere that isnt their capital and go around
heavy vigil
because they have more divs than me somehow
how long did you wait what
you can do the war in 1936
fair horizon
apparently its 1937
fair horizon
how did i waste so much time wtf
heavy vigil
dont ask me idk
fair horizon
at risk of sounding like tommykay i hate no supply countries
heavy vigil
well you still messed up
ive never experienced this because i literally wait by the day
and justify 25? january 1936
somewhere around that date
fair horizon
because i didnt figure that a south american country would whoop my butt
since all of them have zero industry
fair horizon
this should dump on their units but does literally nothing
heavy vigil
ok that sucks
fair horizon
yeah so does their garbage infanrty
heavy vigil
you waited way too long if you have the xp/IC for that
just use artillery
its good against gun 1
1 mil on arty
rush the mil focuses
heavy vigil
i just dont understand how mountaineers suck in mountains
gun 1 sucks
fair horizon
i know
heavy vigil
you dont deal damage with it
fair horizon
im building gun 2
heavy vigil
restart?
fair horizon
no
heavy vigil
sunk cost fallacy hitting you hard
fair horizon
finally got the breakthrough now im gonna take their capital
i just dont get infantry
it does literally zero damage like 90% of the time
heavy vigil
it does literally zero damage like 90% of the time
so you understand
it actually does deal a lot of damage but the gun techs go
100% increase > 50% increase > 33% increase
early guns are bad late guns are rlly good
fair horizon
i do get that
but like its just dumb how im fighting other infantry and i have bonuses and they still just win
also most of my guns were guns i bought from britian so
i dont want to play this anymore
heavy vigil
also most of my guns were guns i bought from britian so
see
the market sucks
you are sabotaging your eco
heavy vigil
the market is overpriced larp
its literally never worth it
because you are giving up all industrial growth
it also just costs a lot of CIC per MIC
and MIC is more expendable
fair horizon
yeah well i dont think a single factory for 300 guns is that bad myself
heavy vigil
it is
heavy vigil
300 guns is like
not that much
market is funny if you have terrible civs maybe like the US
so youd buy stuff to boost others
ive tried doing buying equipment only and it really just ruins your eco
heavy vigil
plus im capped out still
infra
also research conc
make a land facility or something
fair horizon
working on that
fair horizon
'
fair horizon
DONT YOU SHAME ME
heavy vigil
guh
fair horizon
I AM AN INDUSTRIAL MAXXER
queen schooner
guys I got no knowledge of meta navy. I just know patrol gives dominance and dominance gives naval invasion. Tips? Help plz I have 2.5k hours.
astral canopy
I noticed something! About 70 days after Maduro was arrested, the United States launched an attack on Iran’s leadership. Does this suggest that the U.S. is activating some kind of national strategy?
heavy vigil
1939 construction before conc
astral canopy
heavy vigil
what
dusky burrow
plus im capped out still
what year is it?
heavy vigil
what are we doing
fair horizon
guys I got no knowledge of meta navy. I just know patrol gives dominance and dom...
build light cruiser
fair horizon
what year is it?
1939
dusky burrow
either that or torpedo destroyers
queen schooner
build light cruiser
what.. is that
fair horizon
i had to research mil techs so
fair horizon
either that or torpedo destroyers
gross
heavy vigil
i had to research mil techs so
1 on gun 1 on production ignore construction
then third on construction/engineering
dusky burrow
do you think we should be researching air rn?
dusky burrow
or navy?
dusky burrow
air is useless garbage
true you can do a lot with infantry equipment 2 mountaineers
fair horizon
why whould i need to research navy? they start with early cruisers and guns
also 3 research slots :(
heavy vigil
im capped out on gun techs rn
i will go to sleep and later i will show you how to use the generic focus tree and low research slots
i swear
fair horizon
and i had to research support equipment
dusky burrow
also 3 research slots :(
oh nice
fair horizon
i will go to sleep and later i will show you how to use the generic focus tree a...
oh i know about these
i dont use them
research slot more important
heavy vigil
oh i know about these
you couldve had the 1942 gun in this year
dusky burrow
^
heavy vigil
you couldve had like actual industry annexed and researched
dusky burrow
that's probably the move with peru-bolivia since you are in such a safe neighborhood
and then you can spend 1940 reuniting gran colombia
heavy vigil
that's probably the move with peru-bolivia since you are in such a safe neighbor...
he was in a meatgrinder with ecuador
fair horizon
it was not a meatgrinder
heavy vigil
0 faith in his ability to win south america
fair horizon
i lost like 5k peru people
heavy vigil
i lost like 5k peru people
its ecuador thats a meatgrinder
dusky burrow
he was in a meatgrinder with ecuador
ecuador isn't that much of a meatgrinder, naval invading will save you
fair horizon
you should have seen my colombia game then
heavy vigil
usually when i fight them i lose maybe 500
fair horizon
ecuador isn't that much of a meatgrinder, naval invading will save you
no navy, casey wanted me to cheese the game
heavy vigil
ecuador isn't that much of a meatgrinder, naval invading will save you
why naval invade they have 1 guy
dusky burrow
usually when i fight them i lose maybe 500
huh
dusky burrow
casey wanted a 1936 war
oh okay
fair horizon
i give gun to soldier
dusky burrow
fair
dusky burrow
does casey intend to go to war with colombia in 1937?
fair horizon
honestly you probably could
heavy vigil
if you wanna do bolivia first then bolivia is second
fair horizon
their army is well equippeed but not very good
heavy vigil
if you wanna do gran columbia first you go north
dusky burrow
if you wanna do bolivia first then bolivia is second
why not bolivia first and then ecuador second?
heavy vigil
why not bolivia first and then ecuador second?
core justification fast
fair horizon
why not bolivia first and then ecuador second?
ecuador has core
heavy vigil
also you need time to build up arms against anyone more powerful
and annexing them gives some free guns
as in like, have enough xp and arty out
so you deal damage
dusky burrow
fair
fair horizon
do rangers do good in jungles btw? i refuse to spend full price on that dlc
dusky burrow
yes
fair horizon
casey you said colombia was hard
iron iron
How do I see my casualties during a war
In hoi4
I’m so goated
Killed 500k with 180k casualties
fair horizon
the button next to the theater shows battles/12 months otherwise check the war screen
much more enjoyable of an experience being able to expand without the allies telling me no
iron iron
the button next to the theater shows battles/12 months otherwise check the war s...
Thanks
fair horizon
one country to go
iron iron
one country to go
What country did you start as
fair horizon
peru
hollow silo
is it 56
fair horizon
YES
vital mirage
the fire rise or tno? (in how fun it is and how hard is it to learn)
azure dagger
the fire rise or tno? (in how fun it is and how hard is it to learn)
tfr for sure
uneven raptor
Are these DLCs enough? I only have 100 hours in the game and play mostly Germany and Italy. Tried the subscription but got overwhelmed.
storm pelican
does USA ever go fascist or communist on AHIST?
storm pelican
Are these DLCs enough? I only have 100 hours in the game and play mostly Germany...
if u play those 2 countries you dont even need DLCs
uneven raptor
if u play those 2 countries you dont even need DLCs
the german tree interests me tbh
storm pelican
download mods
dusky burrow
person who went for an all cavalry build and decided to hire an artillery expert
fair horizon
specialized anti-air cruisers go hard
battleships do a better job tbh, more visibility means more likely to be attacked by planes
still pretty cool tho
storm pelican
are you scare of me? am I a buggyman?
storm pelican
person who went for an all cavalry build and decided to hire an artillery expert
Mengkukuo run?
storm pelican
does USA ever go fascist or communist on AHIST?
,
fair horizon
does USA ever go fascist or communist on AHIST?
yes they do
storm pelican
I wanna do a crazy Iran run and I need USA to go fascist or communist
storm pelican
yes they do
how sure are you
cuz 5 runs in row they arent going for me
Chance for that is roughly 3%
dusky burrow
yeah usa only rarely seems to be able to change ideology
the polio cripple is just too strong
storm pelican
issue is neutrality focus
devs forgot to code in to forbid it
but it locks them out of both america first and of suspend the persecution
modest shuttle
Do you guys know how to form the Great Yuan as the Kumul Khanate?
dusky burrow
Probably just as you have done with any other chinese warlord tbh
because it's just basically xinjiang after you win
dusky burrow
true
but well i mean after you win the whole tripartite xinjiang war with khotan ma and the clique
storm pelican
guys, which countries can attack you directly? not via puppet, I can only think of USA, Peru and Japan
excluding Soviets and UK
as Iran
In 2 days first anniversary of Graveyard of Slop...
I love having to break fabric of reality and doing irl research and testing for 15 hours straight just to have 5 research slots as Iran while any generic country can just get it, thank you hoi4 devs
dusky burrow
never seen iran have 5 research slots post goe tbh
dusky burrow
guys, which countries can attack you directly? not via puppet, I can only think ...
maybe germany?
storm pelican
you can unlock 2 paths in one run
dusky burrow
i see
storm pelican
God I hate why do they do this, just let me play a country ffs
fair horizon
a single urban tile stopped my push
storm pelican
navally invade behind
dusky burrow
maybe germany?
i remember in a video where germany got claims on the whole of asia and declared war on it
storm pelican
maybe germany?
you are right ig
but its too late
you can also get them to attack you if you own stuff in europe
I wish I can get something in like 1941ish
UK would work but then I can't do islamic republic larp
and Soviets just won't puppet me
dusky burrow
i remember india also has a wargoal against iran in both mughal and loyalist trees, but i'm not sure that'd work here
those guys would probably annex you i imagine
fair horizon
chat look at how cool i am
visual pasture
battleships do a better job tbh, more visibility means more likely to be attacke...
good idea
storm pelican
those guys would probably annex you i imagine
nah I just need to be attacked directl
y
so I can swear fealty to invader
and become their puppet
but yeah I need the country to be non nonaligned
as well
also non democratic for what I'm doing
I have found the issue omg...
USA for some reason doesn't have defined behavior
in savefiles
nvm
azure dagger
does USA ever go fascist or communist on AHIST?
for me they go democratic-interventionist
slim nexus
I was with Sheng Shikai but when I got down the Personal Leadership focus, he doesn't become a field marshal as intended
instead I only get 35 political power
I have the DLC btw
fair horizon
chat how we feeling about these losses?
vast nimbus
Dose anyone know how to do holy Roman Empire
fair horizon
chat what country should be next?
vast nimbus
France
coral gorge
but we are already at war...
limpid zenith
How deadassed is this?
storm pelican
HOI4 Devs could not have killed this game any more
Why do I need 80 destroyers to navally invade? Convoys do the invading omfg
this is what happens when devs of the game only listen to redditors who don't know anything anyway
why is this a thing
navaly invading a nation with no navy
dusky burrow
Why do I need 80 destroyers to navally invade? Convoys do the invading omfg
destroyers are like the worst thing to naval invade with tbh
storm pelican
only thing I can get is them and subs
from focus tree
oh wait, I dont have research slots because devs decided iran can only have 4
and I get less dockyards than generic nation hmm
almost like they added this to suck the fun out of the game completely
fk this game
fair horizon
Why do I need 80 destroyers to navally invade? Convoys do the invading omfg
you dont?
dusky burrow
ah i see
fair horizon
oh wait, I dont have research slots because devs decided iran can only have 4
lmao 4 is fine, australia doesnt get their 3rd and 4th until they do like 400 days of focuses WHILE AT WAR
storm pelican
I think I cant even navally invade saudi arabia as iran
storm pelican
lmao 4 is fine, australia doesnt get their 3rd and 4th until they do like 400 da...
4 isn't fine, you can't get 5 no matter what it's not fine
storm pelican
build a real fleet and then do a strike force
by the time I do it it's 1942
so no, not worth it
I tried to make funny iran video, but I cant cuz these devs can't code, developed an actually decent start but guess what, USA doesn't go communist or fascist on ahist...
fair horizon
less than 50 ships does this for 3 zones
dusky burrow
Well they are playing peru that's what i know
storm pelican
yeah but I got no country I can take it from
storm pelican
Peru is op anyway
dusky burrow
but that said, battleships and cruisers are better than destroyers at naval supremacy
storm pelican
I DONT HAVE INDUSTRY FOR IT omg
dusky burrow
if you're fighting saudi you don't need any more than one almost empty battleship hull i think
storm pelican
you can do it if australia can
nah can't
fair horizon
one battleship can hold the persian gulf
dusky burrow
or two cruisers maybe
storm pelican
its so stupid
why would I need any navy, or any more than like 1 destroyer if I fight a nation with no navy
one of the most stupid changes to the game ever
its unrealistic, its unnecessary, its straight up stupid
fair horizon
because irl they wouldnt have the firepower or range to stop the naval batteries of a foreign nation
thats the reason bigger ships and cannons exist
storm pelican
omg...
dude Im fighting a nation with no forts nothing
I still need massive ships
fair horizon
destroyers may as well just be tin can ships with artillery on them
storm pelican
or like 40 destroyers
fair horizon
not a real naval gun
storm pelican
yeah but I can buy them only
fair horizon
dusky burrow
it should probably be the other way around; aka, you need a small amount of naval supremacy in order to stop your coast invaded
storm pelican
players like you are literally the reason why this game is so bad, paradox could make the worst possible Update on face of the earth, you would cope and say how it's somehow reasonable
dusky burrow
like if you are sending 100 transports across the persian gulf 2 destroyers are probably not going to stop you
dusky burrow
yeah basically
fair horizon
if you cant afford a 5k ic battleship then idk what to tell you
fair horizon
but don't expect it to survive combat
actually it would do alright, its still a battleship
well as long as it has screens
fair horizon
no?
storm pelican
I guess I could afford it
but again
I need 4 such ships
ook
give me the design
what do I need to research
fair horizon
show me your industry ships
storm pelican
I mean
storm pelican
show me your industry ships
what
fair horizon
show me your research tab for indusrty
storm pelican
fair horizon
do you not have 5 dockyards?
storm pelican
no, I could have built them, I didn't expect that I need a massive navy just to invade a country now
fair horizon
doesnt iran get like 5 free ones?
storm pelican
no lmao it gets 4
and for last one you need to waste 140 days on focuses
first focus, 35 days one
dusky burrow
Honestly Iran needs like all the land ic it can get to say, take over turkey
storm pelican
second focus 70 days two
dusky burrow
not sure if that's in the cards for this run but just saying
fair horizon
either way even a basic cruiser should have around 150ish
and cruisers would be way cheaper at around like ~2k ic
that would work for the persian gulf alone
id go with the cruiser option and try to expand your naval industry if you want to naval invade
storm pelican
why does a ship give less dominance the more you put guns on it omg
dusky burrow
yeah true
fair horizon
mabye with engine 2 on early?
fair horizon
it does but even then a competent navy isnt hard to make and one for only dominance is even easier to do
dusky burrow
i mean with only like 5 dockyards it can be hard though
fair horizon
probably the biggest issue with iran is the lack of resources but y/k
thats what conquest is for anyways
fair horizon
so im playing belgium for the first timew
im lost
wheres the commie symbols in the tree
what is this crap
i need it spoonfed to me
dusky burrow
snap election 🙁
fair horizon
how do i do the communism
trim lotus
why does a ship give less dominance the more you put guns on it omg
Technically, heavy guns do increase naval dominance, but typically light cruisers are most efficient; cruisers have a high baseline value, and minimizing guns will maximize the speed contribution to dominance.
fair horizon
Technically, heavy guns do increase naval dominance, but typically light cruiser...
oh wait a heavy early cruiser might be the easiest to get 150 with
fair horizon
actually carriers are the best
cause isnt an empty carrier still like 4k ic?
fair horizon
and even a converted will get destroyed by 3 torps
fair horizon
i may have found that out the hard way once by being an idiot
trim lotus
I'd never considered CVs, but if we're talking about cheeseing naval dominance calcs, maybe?
dusky burrow
But since this is iran attacking saudi we can build supremacy before war and then launch immeidately
dusky burrow
belgium like has a few cutters at best i think
not a real navy until you re-establish it in focuses
jade coral
perhaps the more realistic option given tech limits
realism > fun
jade coral
reddit logic#
dusky burrow
realism > fun
that's not the realism logic i'm talking about
fair horizon
reddit logic#
didnt even read the whole convo bud
belgium...
wait can belgium not do the benelux federation?
dusky burrow
unfortunately no
trim lotus
So, I'm assuming the question is "how do I get 150 naval dominance with the least research and least production possible?"
The CA option is bust. You'd need 2x heavy batteries, and those are murderously expensive, bringing the cost to 3476 IPC.
Seven destroyers would cost you 3339 IPC.
Two CLs cost 4290 IPC.
Now, to reach 375 dominance, the two best options are either 2x CL + 4x DD (cost 6198), or a single converted cruiser with two flight decks (cost 6270, presumably less research)
trim lotus
British Raj.
fair horizon
eh either way i think its the cheapest
and depending on which country you're playing you might get a research bonus for it too
trim lotus
Would require researching cruiser II, so I suppose if you start with 1922 naval and are hard optimizing for min research, what I said above stands.
(If you start with zero naval techs and are willing to research two hulls, though, yeah, cruiser II is the way to go)
fair horizon
i mean i guess if you dont have the research slot to spare (why are you doing navy anyways then) i guess it works
trim lotus
I was under the assumption this was an exercise in "how do I launch naval invasions as a minor nation with minimal investment?"
fair horizon
yeah he was playing iran iirc
trim lotus
In which case the answer is paratroopers
fair horizon
but he also only had 3 dockyards
i dont even know how paratroopers work
never had the air superiorty to get them to work so i just gave up
is it even worth hiring a military advisor if i have to deal with this crap?
this is my only option really
trim lotus
is it even worth hiring a military advisor if i have to deal with this crap?
One of the DLCs lets you create your own military advisors, fortunately, so if you can get a field marshal with the right traits to level 4?
trim lotus
Have you considered preemptively surrendering to the Germans? Perhaps refusing the Allies military access whilst Hitler invades the Netherlands and you pretend you're not next?
dusky burrow
this is my only option really
careful because this guy blocks some of your other picks in command and cabinet
fair horizon
careful because this guy blocks some of your other picks in command and cabinet
i noticed :/
dusky burrow
never had the air superiorty to get them to work so i just gave up
i mean recruiting special forces isn't a bad idea in any scenario
atomic grove
careful because this guy blocks some of your other picks in command and cabinet
still pretty good
heavy vigil
navy secured
peru still?
atomic grove
u core benelux and burgundy
quasi osprey
I just realised which divs I was using to conquer all of this.💀
quasi osprey
I just realised which divs I was using to conquer all of this.💀
💀
visual pasture
coral gorge
3.89 tanks destroyed
still can't win
this is painful
I am tired
I can't do this anymore
hmm
I cant win this
coral gorge
and I hate tanks without at least 4 armor upgrades
why even use radio
if you have no base break anyway
spring relic
fr
tropic ridge
Bro its a tiktok design
spring relic
its bad
fair horizon
L make it into spg
tropic ridge
I need a Soviet tank design for 1940’
spring relic
just focus on sa and breakthrough
fair horizon
thats because it had some problems
spring relic
try and error buddy
fair horizon
which people told you how to fix
spring relic
just change a few thinmgs
fair horizon
very easy fixes too
fair horizon
so just adjust it and you're good
coral gorge
I am in an unwinnable war
spring relic
increase armour and get better secondary
tropic ridge
just that?
fair horizon
I am in an unwinnable war
which country?
spring relic
yuh for sp
cedar lance
hello yalls
coral gorge
NDC Sweden
I just cant finish off the Soviets
spring relic
hard attack and reliability isnt that much of a problem
fair horizon
oh right you're playing sweden
coral gorge
this is actually unwinnable
like
I will have to kill all Russians to win this
AI doesn't field any units to the frontline
spring relic
is it modded or just hoi4
cedar lance
hello
spring relic
damn
fair horizon
casmaxxing time for you
coral gorge
I am tired
planes don't even matter at this stage
the army just can't push deep
since the flank is always exposed
spring relic
6m just for another 6m to replace tham
coral gorge
as AI doesn't help
fair horizon
i felt that
coral gorge
they just field no divs to the front
so I can't do anything
I can't even defend
so I have been attacking the whole time
fair horizon
even when i was playing australia i had 100+ divs and kept losing them because they left pockets open
spring relic
bleed out the soviets then 😁
fair horizon
bleed out the soviets then 😁
that doesnt work
they'll find more bodies to throw at you
coral gorge
tbh I think encircling enemies is the wrong approach for a small nation
frontline battleplanning might be better
fair horizon
tbh I think encircling enemies is the wrong approach for a small nation
imo i dont think so
once any country loses enough divs they lose
coral gorge
well cuz I have been doing this very often lately
grave sonnet
bleed out the soviets then 😁
Can't bleed them out if they replace 1 man with 16 other ones
coral gorge
I have virtually no way of killing countries like this fast enough
well I will win in maybe 1944
it is only 1942 and they already lost 6M
fair horizon
theres is a point where countries just stop functioning cause the ai cant figure out how to win with less than a certain number of divs
fair horizon
slog to do that
coral gorge
that is less efficient that a battleplan build
I should have done battleplan build from the start
tawny robin
https://tenor.com/view/market-garden-paratrooper-paratroopers-ww2-operation-gif-...
okay maybe not on the soviet union...
spring relic
why do you have like 30 divs only 😭
fair horizon
why do you have like 30 divs only 😭
sweden
tropic ridge
why do you have like 30 divs only 😭
Finland is hard to invade as newbie Soviet unión player
grave sonnet
okay maybe not on the soviet union...
You can paradrop behind the line for encirclements
tropic ridge
Finland is hard to invade as newbie Soviet unión player
1 finnish divition > 20 mine’s
coral gorge
why do you have like 30 divs only 😭
cuz I am opting to use a small but elite force
tropic ridge
even If my supply are better
spring relic
😔
tawny robin
You can paradrop behind the line for encirclements
if the enemy is too strong they can just kill the paras before you can do anything
grave sonnet
if the enemy is too strong they can just kill the paras before you can do anythi...
True true
coral gorge
I really think this is the wrong approach
I have done a lot of playthrough like this
cuz AI allies won't help me
so small but elite force can only go as far as they can possibly retreat from
I can't just keep encircling/overrunning the enemies forever
I don't have the manpower to take advantage of the gap from destroying the enemies
so I can only kill until they have no man left to fight me
which is a very bad way to win a war
well, I guess I will resort to this
one trillion subject manpower must bleed
on the bright side
I haven't been naval invaded even once
prisma saddle
another win for IBERIA
fair horizon
another win for IBERIA
which flag is that?
prisma saddle
which flag is that?
when you make the carlist and the choos a hasbourg king and then unite Portugal and make iberia
fair horizon
ah i forgot about the choice of king decision thingy
ember vine
coral gorge
ok instead of fighting the Soviets
I decided to fight the Germans instead
seems easier
their country has no depth
fair horizon
france signed the pact with russia while at war with them... 10/10
coral gorge
what's up
inshallah hello there
I am dying
unwinnable war
Allied AI won't help
send help, Chiang
nvm you are busy
haughty bison
Can someone tell me what is the ideal combat width in TFR
sly venture
glory to Romania
fair horizon
tropic ridge
is this good?
coral gorge
ffor what purpose
tropic ridge
barbarrosa stop
coral gorge
no
lost zodiac
barbarrosa stop
Hi Arthur
tropic ridge
hi qierill
leaden wraith
average naval battle
coral gorge
lmao
fair horizon
i just dont get how to plane fight
such a crap annoying system
hey you lose because even though you have aa you dont have 900000 planes lmao
fair horizon
oh also nobody will help you because they hate you because ONE of your states is a core for them
coral gorge
oh also nobody will help you because they hate you because ONE of your states is...
that's too important
I wouldn't help anybody who has my core
fair horizon
cant fight german planes
cant get help from britian because they're useless
france doesnt use their planes because their ai is gimped
steel zephyr
is org * soft attack / width a tuff metric
fair horizon
i cannot for the life of me understand the stupid plane garbage air mechanic
had more planes, lose more
literally the highest quality planes you can have at that point btw
coral gorge
is org * soft attack / width a tuff metric
not always
fair horizon
just getting CASed into oblivion too
what a crap game where this is all you need to have happen to lose
get bent for not being a major at the start
coral gorge
damn the Allies were useless for much of the game
now I took the coast for them
finally see them in action
fair horizon
:/
i had hopes my army would win but i guess theres nothing i can do against the soviet union germany combo
leaden wraith
you still lost allat 💀
aint even mine so, net victory
coral gorge
lmao I actually won
fair horizon
chat help my empire is crumbling
coral gorge
turned out what allowed me to win wasn't even actually Soviets and Germany weakening each other
just that
when they went to war
I could invade Germany through the Soviets
cuz now they border each other in Lithuania
and just invade along the coast so Allies could land
fair horizon
im fighting 3 majors right now
and i have no help from outside factions :(
my game ends because germany can crap out ten thousand bf109s
and numbers means more than quality
well this sucks
queen bronze
my game ends because germany can crap out ten thousand bf109s
meanwhile my game always ends because despite my 10 billion bf109s, they still all die haha
i cant figure out what im doing sadly
ripe slate
meanwhile my game always ends because despite my 10 billion bf109s, they still a...
Theres some plane templates in #ask-for-help-here if thats the issue
steel zephyr
im crying bruh austria declared on me, i captured vienna and was about to encircle half their army and then they get aunschlus
fair horizon
Theres some plane templates in <#589311099674034176> if thats the issue
ive used those, doesnt matter you'll never be able to crap out more planes than a major can
queen bronze
Theres some plane templates in <#589311099674034176> if thats the issue
afaik. its not. i think its a mix of my timing and my inability to be as autistic about this game as i need to be
like. everyone tells me "its so easy to do X Y and Z"
but the second that I do literally anything, it isnt enough.
like.
germany seems to do
poland, france, england ad russia
i have gotten to the part where i can manage poland and france pretty good
but then i lose to russia and england
and another issue ive been having, has been that despite me say, conquring north africa, because i go over gibralter, it allllll goes to spain
paper cloak
Hi guys, how can I beat France in the second weltkrieg?
fair horizon
Hi guys, how can I beat France in the second weltkrieg?
You can take their victory points :)
Idk what a weltkreig is so
paper cloak
You can take their victory points :)
queen bronze
https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-shocked-meme-funny-gif-162027169037...
"how do i win"
"just. kill more than they kill you"
paper cloak
Idk what a weltkreig is so
It’s from the kaiserredux
hexed zenith
In my 2000+ of gameplay, I've never used tanks other than light tanks, and I solely used it as a crack unit/encirclement unit to breakthrough and encircle fast, always accompanied by inf/mech division.
There's really no other use of it for me
queen bronze
nteresting. i always hear everyone say that light tanks suck and med is better
med SP specifically
paper cloak
Isn’t light tanks better for speed and for breakthrough
hexed zenith
I just dont bother, I only main china and other minor nation, it cost a lot to produce and there's really no other benefit of it
queen bronze
Isn’t light tanks better for speed and for breakthrough
idk. im garbage at this game lul
hexed zenith
Isn’t light tanks better for speed and for breakthrough
Yes, especially stacked, hence the whole crack unit
coral gorge
Hi guys, how can I beat France in the second weltkrieg?
focus most of your entire force to push through Belgium
paper cloak
idk. im garbage at this game lul
The only thing I don’t understand in this game is how to make good tank and motorised divisions
fair horizon
nteresting. i always hear everyone say that light tanks suck and med is better
They are
fair horizon
Isn’t light tanks better for speed and for breakthrough
Speed mabye, breakthrough no
queen bronze
The only thing I don’t understand in this game is how to make good tank and moto...
theres loads of div templates. im no expert.
med 3 person turret, med or heavy howitzer i forgor. speed.
fair horizon
Both can go fast enough to match the speed of your mechanized
One has more amror
Both are about the same cost
So clearly medium wins because it has more stats
Though light tanks have more aura
coral gorge
make light SPG/TD then
fair horizon
Medium spg
coral gorge
well lights are significantly cheaper now since they get subsidized contract too
fair horizon
With large gun
coral gorge
though obviously if you can have meds then just have meds
only a handful of countries actually prefers light as far as SP goes
fair horizon
Imo the problem with lights is that you have to sacrifice armor for a good gun and thats bad
All for it to end up being a negligible difference in price compared to mediums
coral gorge
it is much cheaper now
fair horizon
How much though?
coral gorge
this is how cheap a late game light tank div can get to
each tank is like 4.5 IC lul
fair horizon
light tank design?
coral gorge
hmm get riveted armor + wheeled suspension + subsidized contract + cut corner
that is already -50% cost
easy maintenance for another -7.5%
paper cloak
this is how cheap a late game light tank div can get to
Hey can you send the SP design pls?
coral gorge
cost reduction is additive, so it gets really cheap in late game
by late I meant like 1940-1941
oh well that is Hungary
so they get -15% spg cost too
fair horizon
ok thats kinda insane
coral gorge
as any country, you can get -57.5% cost