hoi4-general

[sharp sierra]

i try to get achievements

[finite plume]

https://tenor.com/view/get-a-load-of-this-get-a-load-of-this-guy-look-at-this-guy-come-on-bruh-gif-18066748999193463069

[mystic nest]

aint the games fault if you're blind 😭

[vocal bolt]

I got 8

with 100 hours

[mystic nest]

no?

[slim idol]

But microing is so fun

[mystic nest]

the ai shouldnt change in ironman

[mystic nest]

hoi4 is about both the micro and macro anyway

[pseudo rose]

It doesn't

[vocal bolt]

isnt there a warning sound so loud its a meme

for naval

[mystic nest]

eyah then whys he complaining

[finite plume]

It's rhetorical

[mystic nest]

ah

[finite plume]

The AI in general is just dumb

[mystic nest]

yes

[pseudo rose]

Skill issue

[mystic nest]

the horn

[finite plume]

Like doing self-ending wars

[mystic nest]

i hear it in my dreams

[finite plume]

Joining factions last minute

etc

[vocal bolt]

I dont

[mystic nest]

yes thats why the game is free mate

[slim idol]

I play with sound off

[vocal bolt]

why

[finite plume]

HOI4 is not free 🙏

[mystic nest]

the soundtrack is great especially with dlcs

[vocal bolt]

why wont you listen to footsteps for 2 hpurs a day

[mystic nest]

it really is... vanilla hoi4 is ridiculously easy

i just did a run yesterday germany cranked to the max

no air

[finite plume]

Do we have the same meaning of free

[vocal bolt]

also clapping every 70 days

[mystic nest]

no tanks

ussr playthrough

10:1 casulaty ratios while im advancing

[vocal bolt]

30 bucks

[finite plume]

I think you mean sandbox

[slim idol]

Because headphones hurt my ears if I wear them for as long as I play

[mystic nest]

i meant like it's easy as hell in vanilla for most countries to cap all majors

obviously like

if youre playing as the sinkian province or tannu tuva

then yeah its a pain

but if youre playinga s like brazil or bulgaria

[vocal bolt]

ai just sucks ass which is so guh

[mystic nest]

the ai is beyond terrible

[vocal bolt]

they straight up leave gaps in their lines for no reason

[vocal bolt]

they randomly lock it sometimes which is even worse

[finite plume]

Are mountaineers actually worth it or are they negligible when you consider CAS

[mystic nest]

mfw my 44 airframes are trading 90:3 in 47

[vocal bolt]

There is like

[mystic nest]

worth it

[slim idol]

I don't think I ever see the British army as Germany, and yet they have 1 division per port

[vocal bolt]

somethin wrong with the ai

[mystic nest]

tyhea i never works in

ai

never locks in

[slim idol]

Where is it😭

[mystic nest]

usually in africa

[vocal bolt]

locks is as they randomly kick you out of the faction then molest you

[mystic nest]

sometimes in east india

if theyre fighting japan

in burma

[vocal bolt]

I dont get that

I was ina faction with the europeans

[mystic nest]

this is why i dont join any ai factions except allies as a minor country

[vocal bolt]

I did nothing wrong then they just kicked me out to fight me

[calm delta]

How is everyone

[mystic nest]

starting your own factions is better anyway

[vocal bolt]

I wash elping them in the east so I had to garrisons

[calm delta]

Time for hoi4

[vocal bolt]

sometimes its nice to get bailed out by the soviets as a minor

[mystic nest]

naw if im playing a minor that the soviets are in range of like finland

finlands storng enough to hold its own

[calm delta]

Yes

[vocal bolt]

I dont rmemeber what am doing in my current save

[calm delta]

No

[vocal bolt]

I think I was south africa for some reason

tryna fight portugal

[calm delta]

I remember maybe South Africa like a major power it was fun

[vocal bolt]

they get like 1 mil

and 2civs

[mystic nest]

saf is not a major power lol

[vocal bolt]

also all your neighbors are majors

[mystic nest]

in mp their job is to sit there and pump out like a few tank divs

and pray japan doesnt invade them

[vocal bolt]

JAPAN ?

[calm delta]

No shit Sherlock what I mean is I made them really strong

[mystic nest]

yes

[vocal bolt]

no

am in a stalemate with portugal rn

[mystic nest]

fair enough then

[calm delta]

I mean I made the like a majorpower

[vocal bolt]

ah

[mystic nest]

i thought you were talking about minors like brazil

[calm delta]

L

[mystic nest]

that can out industry the usa

by 44

[vocal bolt]

ran out of guns

just holding the line at this point

[calm delta]

Get out of that MR I like turtles

[mystic nest]

how

who are oyu playing

[vocal bolt]

south africa

[mystic nest]

ah

[vocal bolt]

also brits still holding their colonies

best I could do was portugal

almost kicked them out

but its a stalemate

we both ran out of guns and manpower

[mystic nest]

losing a war to portugal 🥀

couldve just ran 18w inf divs

with engi aa art

[calm delta]

[vocal bolt]

With which industry

[mystic nest]

saf has terrible industry but they can supply that

[sharp sierra]

i world conquested as south africa but it helps to turn on ahistorical

[vocal bolt]

am waiting for soviets to finish their war

[calm delta]

There is always to make em op

[vocal bolt]

am gonna ask for lend lease

[vocal bolt]

also how will I end the war

[sharp sierra]

i turn on ahistorical for every game every achievement

[mystic nest]

Wait i dont get it

you said youve never won a major war

what are you using

for div templats and allat

[vocal bolt]

no like

[mystic nest]

how many hours of playtime is this

[mystic nest]

achivement hunters are not real 😭

[vocal bolt]

am taking their land

but bc they are colonies or whatever idk

[mystic nest]

but like in other runs

[sharp sierra]

its fun

[vocal bolt]

its not getting me surrender progress at all

[mystic nest]

youve never wona major war??

[pseudo rose]

I like achievement hunting

[calm delta]

Bad MR I like turtles

[mystic nest]

cooked..

[pseudo rose]

I have about 161

[vocal bolt]

never alone

[mystic nest]

some guy in here had 266 achievements in 260 hours

i think

[calm delta]

I really need more achievements but I just cba to do them lol

[mystic nest]

try playing the ussr mate

[sharp sierra]

the only thing to watch out for with this is the obsessive mindset where it feels like if you arent playing to get them then youre wasting your time

[mystic nest]

its the easiest way to win a major war alone

[vocal bolt]

pre no step back hell naw

[mystic nest]

since germany sucks

[mystic nest]

bruh

[vocal bolt]

anyway so what do I do with protgual

do I have to naval invade them

to make em surrender

[mystic nest]

idk i dont play saf

you cant make them surrender form colonies

[calm delta]

What’s good achievements to get

[vocal bolt]

yeah

[vocal bolt]

stupid

[sharp sierra]

when i played south africa i invaded netherlands to get dutch east indies

[pseudo rose]

Sometimes I get the craving to grab some achievements in between playing mods or messing around in vanilla

[vocal bolt]

the whole focus is about liberating africa from them

there should be the option to ask for peace talks after I get africa

otherwise I will jsut be in the war frever

atleast they arent in the allies

[sharp sierra]

old screenshot

[calm delta]

Good man did you get any Asian women to be your First Lady?

[sharp sierra]

no they were in my units

[mystic nest]

just play a minor like brazila tp

[calm delta]

That’s unfortunate

[mystic nest]

'minor'

[vocal bolt]

I am quite fond of the cze and the hungarians

[sharp sierra]

its fine i really dont like their faces

[mystic nest]

petition to remove italy and put brazil in its place as a major

[pseudo rose]

Brazil is easy mode

[mystic nest]

six hundred factories no civ greeding by 44 yes

[calm delta]

Guys I have 15 achievements after playing since 2022 should I start to get more achievements?

[vocal bolt]

also pre fort rework it was fun to plop down level 10 forts at the start of 1936 as luxemburg

[mystic nest]

only if you want to

if youre doing it to make the number go up and you dont enjoy it

then no

[sharp sierra]

its dangerous

[pseudo rose]

First time I played them I spammed marines and turned my brain off

[vocal bolt]

I got 8 lmao

dont play for achivements

[pseudo rose]

Go for it

[vocal bolt]

most are tedious

[calm delta]

Wanna do it for fun too but idk there’s a lot of hard ones

[mystic nest]

lmao brazil is basically the ussr but you dont get invaded

[mystic nest]

some are straight up imposisble in the current version

iirc

[calm delta]

Ok MRs potato

[sharp sierra]

the swiss ones i disabled dlc so i didnt have to deal with the focus tree

iceland one seems extremely hard to me

[vocal bolt]

ok so Ill get the dlcs in this order

[sharp sierra]

some of the spy agency achievements dont work

[vocal bolt]

no step back-> la resistance or whatever-> plane designer-> sweden guh pluh dlc

[calm delta]

Get the ones with major dlcs in them as majors are fun and most played

[mystic nest]

swiss focus tree sucks to play through

[mystic nest]

im a d1 la resistance hater

[calm delta]

By blood alone it’s called

[pseudo rose]

The seducer has been bugged for years now

[vocal bolt]

its hard to integrate countries before that

[mystic nest]

you go in and bash them

if they rebel you bash them again

[pseudo rose]

La Resistance how I despise you

[mystic nest]

🔥

[vocal bolt]

no step back just seems like a must

[pseudo rose]

Only good thing was the resistance changes

[vocal bolt]

tank designer+ bear

[calm delta]

Gottemrug is the best

[mystic nest]

i love playing historical ussr so yeah

[pseudo rose]

No Step Back is best

[mystic nest]

but even when you megabuff germany you dont get that sense of desperation

[vocal bolt]

sweden tree seems cool with the dlc

[mystic nest]

which is a bit sad

[vocal bolt]

the shared tree and all

[calm delta]

Oh yes the one where you send men women children to fight the Germans

[vocal bolt]

also why is the habsburg price so goated

[pseudo rose]

Problem?

[vocal bolt]

why does he get a bazillion buffs

[calm delta]

He just is

[calm delta]

Did I say there’s a problem

[vocal bolt]

I have like consistent 100% stability whenever he gets the throne lmao

[pseudo rose]

Not at all comrade

[calm delta]

I mean mr mustache did that with the youth too so good bad sides to both comrade

[mystic nest]

we ALL are going straight to scraping the barrel as the ussr

[digital aurora]

I have to be playing wrong as I can’t for the life of me produce enough tanks for an army for 6 medium tank battalions

[calm delta]

Anyway I’m gonna do a Germany playthrough

[mystic nest]

not really

[pseudo rose]

All children must go to the front and pick up a rifle

[mystic nest]

36w tank divs are expensive in terms of tanks

[calm delta]

All must serve even baby’s that came out of the moms 1 second after

[sharp sierra]

i just put like 3 spg battalions in my mounaneers

[digital aurora]

Almost had to do that for my last play through, I ended WW2 with 200k Manpower left

[sharp sierra]

with high armor

their dog shit reliability matters a little less

[mystic nest]

what country??

[calm delta]

I have 2.1k hours with 15 achievements I really need to get more

[digital aurora]

Well not even ended I still have the Japanese Theater

[digital aurora]

Soviets

[mystic nest]

HOW

DO YOU END WW2

[pseudo rose]

I think I've only ever had scraping the barrel once and that was Tannu Tuva

[mystic nest]

WITH 200K MP

[vocal bolt]

Atatürk gets a boat load of buffs too afaik

[mystic nest]

AS THE SOVIETS

😭 😭 😭

[pseudo rose]

Then he dies

[mystic nest]

the soviets literally never run out of mp man i play them the most out of any major

[digital aurora]

Well I mean I ended the war in the eastern front with than many troops

[vocal bolt]

you can keep him alive I think

[sharp sierra]

lol turkey achievements were awful

[pseudo rose]

With some cheese

[mystic nest]

200k soldies is also incredibly little

[calm delta]

Stalin should of servered at this point every human go to the front

[mystic nest]

usualyl you can have like 3-4mil comfortably out on the field

a lot more if you were avtually pumping out divs

[pseudo rose]

They are so bad I hate them so much, the ottoman achievements suuuuuuuck

[digital aurora]

960 9 battalion infantry divisions

[mystic nest]

but i dont need more than 2 armies of inf

arm ygroups*

[sharp sierra]

heres this one i had to engineer

[vocal bolt]

yeah holy moly

[sharp sierra]

dont remember what it was called

[mystic nest]

you only need 240 divs of inf

[digital aurora]

I was able to end it by just mass attacking via the Baltic states and I was able to encircle a ton of German divisons

[digital aurora]

I had 3 field armies

[vocal bolt]

if this was historical there would be more buffs

[calm delta]

https://tenor.com/view/gulag-joseph-stalin-gif-1303406357648712159

[pseudo rose]

Hardly anything serves

[vocal bolt]

to factory contruction speed etc lmao

[vocal bolt]

I remeber that being super hard or somn

that might be an understatement

I remeber all the achivements being grindy tedious fun destroyers but what do I know

besides the achivements you get by just playing ofc

[sharp sierra]

let me find my macau my day screenshot

[vocal bolt]

like 1000 convoys or whatever

[pseudo rose]

Not all of them, but every DLC there's some pretty tedious ones

[sharp sierra]

yea i did the iraqi ones

theyre not too bad

[steel zephyr]

🥀

[pseudo rose]

Iraqi ones are pretty easy

[sharp sierra]

havent touched iran or india yet

and not afghanistan

[pseudo rose]

I like India but I'm not touching Iran

[mystic nest]

36w

is better

and id make the last 2 tanks

[sharp sierra]

well i did make my iraq playthrough extremely hard than it had to be

since it was on ahistorical uk joined axis

[pseudo rose]

India is a sandbox nation where you can do whatever you want and it doesn't matter

[calm delta]

It’s not a good idea to touch country’s my friend

[sharp sierra]

i only do when im certain i wont face any consequences

[mystic nest]

nah thats brazil

[pseudo rose]

It's both of them

[mystic nest]

fair

brazil is jsut sos tupid lmao

coring literally everything in south and half of central america + portgual

for free essentially

[sharp sierra]

did u play all the chile paths

[mystic nest]

and you annex them too not just gain cores

[mystic nest]

no

[sharp sierra]

i like chile

[mystic nest]

do they do the same?

ah fair

ill try it out

[sharp sierra]

basically but mapuche is kinda bad but cool

since ur stuck with 3 research slots the whole game

[pseudo rose]

Haven't touched Chile, but they have been nerfed heavily since release

[calm delta]

Hoi4

Is fun

And

Painful

[pseudo rose]

Hot take

[calm delta]

At

Times

Hey

You cut my words off

https://tenor.com/view/gulag-joseph-stalin-gif-1303406357648712159

Naughty

[pseudo rose]

And I'd do it again

[sharp sierra]

heres one chile screenshot

[calm delta]

Stalin is angry with you

[sharp sierra]

i should have restarted but i usually stay determined to save the game

[pseudo rose]

The Mapuche can core all of the Americas

[sharp sierra]

dont mind the horrendous map mod

old screenshots

[pseudo rose]

I will mind it wtf is that

[sharp sierra]

its uhh

its like childrends drawing map mod or something

crayon map

[pseudo rose]

So I see

[mystic nest]

ight, i just like monarchist brazil

because then

free entry into europe

no need to deal with naval supremacy or anything

[calm delta]

What map mod is this it looks werid

[sharp sierra]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2191305243&searchtext=crayon

[calm delta]

It’s very yucky map

[pseudo rose]

It's a very good path tbf

Eating Portugal

[calm delta]

No

It’s very naughty

Papa Stalin will tell you off

[mystic nest]

yes

magnificent path

if youre in the allies you can declare on spain

to then border germany

and its smooth sailing once you get past the mountains on the spanish french border

[calm delta]

Bad potato

[amber matrix]

should i delete my 1 mil on light tanks i only kept it because it produces 1 a day on 1 mil

its 1938

[pseudo rose]

Too bad he's dead

[calm delta]

Yes he is lol

I’m only joking about

[pseudo rose]

I know lmao

[calm delta]

I wanna play hoi4 now

Maybe

Or not

Maybe tho

[slim nexus]

Give in

Giveeee in

[pseudo rose]

You wanna play some hoi4

[calm delta]

But

It’s already taken 2k hours of my life

[night field]

its over for me man these germans cant hold any fronts at all

[slim nexus]

Only buddy rank those numbers up

[pseudo rose]

I'm at 3k hours

[calm delta]

Guys quick question

What’s the best economy tree to go down in Germany

[safe wing]

It depends on which political path you do

[calm delta]

Facist ofc

[safe wing]

As the Nazis MEFO as anyone else PEG

[calm delta]

I mean on the focus tree

[safe wing]

You can do PEG as the Nazis too

[calm delta]

What would you recommend as the best

[pseudo rose]

Either you go are fine, if you go right just remember you're on a time limit

[calm delta]

I wanna take my time

I’m not that quick

[safe wing]

PEG because it’s less risky and you take your time

[calm delta]

Ok

Thanks

When should I start building mills by 37 and have medium tanks in 37 too?

[mystic nest]

Shouldve just capped the germans lol

[safe wing]

NP

[mystic nest]

4 year plan

if ytoure talking about best

[calm delta]

Start building mills by mid 37 Yh?

[mystic nest]

allies scale more than you in the later years

faster you get rid of them the easier it is

[mystic nest]

yeah

[calm delta]

Ok

I wanna get mediums too by 37 aswell heard there good to get early

[mystic nest]

you dont really need tanks

[pseudo rose]

Then left side

[mystic nest]

use tanks if you like them

[mystic nest]

? he wants to rush tank production

[calm delta]

I do

[mystic nest]

4 year plan is better for that no?

[heavy vigil]

a lot of nations start with them

[pseudo rose]

That message was really delayed

[mystic nest]

oh

[calm delta]

Germany doesn’t ?

[mystic nest]

id swap the last 2 cav battaliosn with mediums

[heavy vigil]

ger does

[mystic nest]

nup

only lights

wait wahat

[pseudo rose]

Inter war medium tanks

[mystic nest]

thoguht it was only lights?

[steel zephyr]

not with my production

I'm Finland

[mystic nest]

ah

[heavy vigil]

they start with iw tank development so they have mediums

[mystic nest]

finland can have a strong industrial base

just cap the ussr

[calm delta]

I’ve never done heavy’s should I do them instead ?

[mystic nest]

oh aight i thought he meant like tank divs on the field

[mystic nest]

no

heavies are only wroth it in multiplayer

[heavy vigil]

yugo starts with one of those

[mystic nest]

why are you making tanks with 23 mils

[pseudo rose]

Do super heavies (they're only support units)

[mystic nest]

youll never fill up enough for a 36w div

[calm delta]

I’m gonna spam out subs with Germany

[mystic nest]

ah aight

[night field]

how do i fix the supply here

[heavy vigil]

did you know yugo starts with a domestic airforce, a navy and a tank div

[steel zephyr]

production is good enough to fill atleast one

I'm trying to fill 2

[mystic nest]

dont

make tanks

with 23 mils

never do that

[steel zephyr]

nuh uh

[mystic nest]

if you have 23 mils it all needs to go into supporting the inf

[pseudo rose]

It's so inefficient to make tanks that way

[mystic nest]

exactly

he cant even sustain any losses

if by some miracle he does ge the divs out

[heavy vigil]

23 is like loads you can make tanks

if you want

[mystic nest]

why would you? its far more efficient to prioirtise air inf

then just make tanks with a terrible inf

air would do much more for him than tanks

[pseudo rose]

Counter argument, make mech

[heavy vigil]

fun

[calm delta]

What’s the best infrantry doctrine for Germany?

[mystic nest]

fair enough i guess

[mystic nest]

offesnive inf? run IE

[steel zephyr]

Finland has nice equipment capture bonuses, soviet tanks can easily replace my lost ones

[mystic nest]

the soviet tanks are garbage

terrible stats

[pseudo rose]

Historical

[mystic nest]

a better way is to make inf

then captiulate the ussr

then make tanks

[steel zephyr]

I already do make inf too

[mystic nest]

since you now actually have factories

[mystic nest]

more inf

you acn cap the ussr with 3 inf armies

but its easier with 4 or more

no way 15 mils is sustaining 3+ inf armies

considering you need trains and trucks and allat

[calm delta]

Individual intelligence ok

[mystic nest]

if you do that you must run logi company though

in your inf divs

[calm delta]

Ok

[mystic nest]

assault inf si aight too

but i prefer ie

[night field]

why is the german AI always shit when i play an axis nation

[pseudo rose]

Economy of Conquest causes them to eat shit and die

[mystic nest]

because its the ai

if youre playing like italy

just cap the germans and take their stuff

[pseudo rose]

I was playing the UK and was trying to get the achievement where you get medium ranged missiles and have to be at war with Germany

[night field]

they didnt even make it to minsk in barb

[pseudo rose]

And it was a race to finish the achievement because the Germans just fell apart

I didn't even do anything

[mystic nest]

yeah never rely on the ai to do anything

except throw

you can rely on them tod o that

[slim nexus]

whats the map mod?

[night field]

TFR map style

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-gif-thank-you-funny-thank-you-squat-thanks-bro-gif-7589626120606791089

[pseudo rose]

TFR my beloved

[quiet vessel]

i feel like hoi4 players listen to my chemical romance

[steel zephyr]

💀 war just started

[cedar coral]

yugoslavia in chinese united front ❤️

[night field]

what front do i even focus on

[slim nexus]

Wtf did u do to the soviet union

[steel zephyr]

just defended

going on the offencive now to capture the svir river

[slim nexus]

Are they in a civil war?

[steel zephyr]

so i get an even bigger kdr

[steel zephyr]

yes

[cedar coral]

❤️

[slim nexus]

How do I block 🤣

[night field]

these germans barely doing anything, they have only suicide charged at the soviets for years and not even got to soviet core territory

[slim nexus]

Bro chill those are people's lives that death ratio is insane

What templates are u guys using?

[steel zephyr]

in a tank surplus now

🌹

[vocal bolt]

do the newest dlcs deserve the overwhelming negative reviews

[slim nexus]

It kinda messes with south America and Asia ngl

[vocal bolt]

I see no one covering it

the reviews are downright horrible

[smoky fiber]

I DESTROYED Austria

[slim nexus]

I mean in my opinion it adds new and cool things but historically its trash

Like half the time there's multiple wars in south America when it didnt happen

[vocal bolt]

they get like half a division

[vocal bolt]

does this happen WITH historical on ?

[smoky fiber]

Yeah I kinda just ran through them

[slim nexus]

For me yeah not all the times but it can

[vocal bolt]

how did you fail the check

they accept referandum if you just improve relations

like 90% chance or so

[vocal bolt]

you can almost make it 100% if you integrate the railroads

[vocal bolt]

sssr hard carry

[steel zephyr]

sssr lwk washed

[vocal bolt]

brotato chip

800k losses

they are taking the beating

[steel zephyr]

willfully encompetant 🤤

[vocal bolt]

supply your troops bru

[calm delta]

Very nice

[steel zephyr]

building one bronchario

atleast both sides have no supply 🤤

[vocal bolt]

starving together fr

[steel zephyr]

all quiet on the karelian front...

[calm delta]

Another 3 British subs destroyed

[vocal bolt]

I simply do not worry about those

am landlocked

not for long tho

[steel zephyr]

lwk holding the rebels back by encircling them 🌹

[calm delta]

Fair enough my subs are wiping the floor with the British naval very satisfying

[vocal bolt]

give em military access

[steel zephyr]

no because then they get control of all of my occupied lands

since they got cores

[vocal bolt]

can you kick them out of faction

wage war on them for the love of the game

[mystic nest]

you can book the allies out of the benelux pretty easily

then just counterattack and cap the ussr

[sudden thistle]

Can someone send me a picture of Scandinavia pls

I just need to see the ports in the Baltic Sea

/ Helenski

Pls speed I need this 🙏

[restive sable]

pain

[vocal bolt]

hear me out

[steel zephyr]

they just quit being encircled by me and just cross my borders without access 🌹

[vocal bolt]

turkic country playthtough

but just horse divs

[steel zephyr]

W speed

[vocal bolt]

I have a question

does anyone actually play the 39 start ?

[left jewel]

i used to when i was new because i had a fear of building up

only to get smites

[smoky fiber]

Me

[left jewel]

I would only use it now for achievements

[vocal bolt]

I just never liked it and I doubt anyone does either

it just sucks

you cant chose to do anything

just locked into a linear path

no alt history either

[left jewel]

Well it's extremely unbalanced towards anyone but germany but i found trying to hold tf out as france interesting

[restive sable]

ive played it once to try and get that one poland achievement a long time ago and failed terribly

[vocal bolt]

how good is france I havent played them at all

I wanna try somn tomorrow

maybe try to back rhineland up

[smoky fiber]

When I play Germany I do 1939 bc Im lazy and I do 1939 when I play poland to get 30 minutes in hel mostly 1936 so I can prepare for 30 minutes in hel

[left jewel]

Well it's pretty mediocre because of its old focus tree but its fun to hold out against germany and see their casualties spike

[vocal bolt]

they have to come through maginot right ?

[smoky fiber]

No

[left jewel]

well they tend to come around it actually

[vocal bolt]

cant

that early can they

[smoky fiber]

I always go around it

[left jewel]

Ohh you mean in the rhineland challenge?

[vocal bolt]

yeah

just hold it

[left jewel]

Rhineland challenge is easy asf

[vocal bolt]

if they wanna go to war they gotta come through the maginot

whats the fort level on maginot

[left jewel]

Germany starts with 30 divs and their industry base demilitarised

[vocal bolt]

default

[left jewel]

10 i believe

[vocal bolt]

damn

[left jewel]

Dude you have like 50ish mainland divisions while germany has 30

[vocal bolt]

to be fair alot of nations can just not bend over to germany and win

czechs can whoop germany

[left jewel]

its so easy to kill them in 1936 all you need to do is battle plan

[left jewel]

no not without french help most of the time

[steel zephyr]

kill farm

[vocal bolt]

if you expand beforehand and then fort up stude with focus its managable

you can also steal austria from them

[left jewel]

Idk but if you do that you end up with a wider front and garrisons eating your guns

[vocal bolt]

going commie also allows you to possibly carve into romania with the help of ussr before they demand stuff from you

[vocal bolt]

you can puppet them

so they cant come through

[left jewel]

Ah fairs

[smoky fiber]

Does Germany demand Austria from you if you Play as Hungary and Reform Austria-Hungary before they can do Anchluss?

[vocal bolt]

no

[smoky fiber]

Good

[left jewel]

No anchluss gets bypassed if austria doesnt exist

[vocal bolt]

anchluss only or works if austria is independant

thats not the case for other nations afaik

ussr asks for finland from whoever the owner is I think

[left jewel]

i liked the old habsburg path for hungary

[smoky fiber]

I used that one

[left jewel]

it was way more powerful than modern austrian and hungarian habsburg path

[vocal bolt]

it has just one issue imo otherwise great

[steel zephyr]

rail framemogged

level 5 from helsinki to petrozavodsk and leningrad

[vocal bolt]

czechs integration was a diceroll but otherise peak

[left jewel]

the fact that you cant expand into yugoslavia due to french guarantee?

[steel zephyr]

tuffest rail there can be

[smoky fiber]

The one where you first Invite the Habsburg for king election

[vocal bolt]

czechs just refused your protection for no reason most of the time

even if you had good relations good army etc

just to cave to the germans

[smoky fiber]

I was lucky

[left jewel]

They refuse it on historical 90% of the time

[stoic oar]

can anyone explain why my hoi4 aint opening

[vocal bolt]

they refuse on non historical 90% time too

[smoky fiber]

I was the 10%

[stoic oar]

even vanilia doesnt work 🥀

[smoky fiber]

First try

[left jewel]

Just revert versions i think paradox skewered the game with another update

[stoic oar]

i love you paradox

💔

[restive sable]

i never really had this problem

[left jewel]

1.16.10 was peak hoi4 before its downfall

[restive sable]

i put diplo pressure, signed a non-aggression pact and maxxed out relations it was usually enough

they would never accept if they were in a faction though

[vocal bolt]

what changed I am just getting back into the game after 4 years of neglect

I hate the new doctrine system thats for sure

also old ui was better

[smoky fiber]

All I did was Boost party popularity until the focus finished and they excepted

[vocal bolt]

and you have to researrch fors now

[left jewel]

they added new doctrine system which sucks, they made navy more complicated

[smoky fiber]

Im quite sure theyre already non-aligned tho

[hybrid galleon]

oh man i sure do love the UK guranteeing white finland, a FACIST country

[left jewel]

New faction dynamics are sick tho

[vocal bolt]

you cant plop down level 10s as luxemburh now

[left jewel]

i feel like all of ncns has been a trainwreck for hoi4

[vocal bolt]

didnt know this was a thing

[vocal bolt]

what is ncns

[left jewel]

No compromise no surrender

the last update

[smoky fiber]

Next game I’ll play luxembourg and when Germany declares war I’ll do Tlide and Annex GER

[vocal bolt]

ah you mean (overwhemingly negative)

[smoky fiber]

Tlide Annex all

[vocal bolt]

all the last dlcs have overwhelming negative

[night field]

what do i even do man, i keep getting navy invaded and have no spare units for coastguard

[vocal bolt]

peak hoi4 was no step back

[left jewel]

For good reason lol

[vocal bolt]

cooked

[left jewel]

next time if you wanna cheese a game just dont ally italy

[vocal bolt]

no

[hybrid galleon]

gotter was mid at best but man the south america DLC not even giving all SOuth American countries focuses was awful

[left jewel]

theyre a liability 100% of the time

[vocal bolt]

dont ally italy every

no matter what you do

cheese no cheese doesnt matter

[smoky fiber]

Italy bad

[vocal bolt]

they collapse the second they lose a single tile

[left jewel]

Unless they go alt hist 🤔

[hybrid galleon]

invading italy sucks as well cause of that damn puppet

[vocal bolt]

I feel like things started going downhill ever since by blood alone

[left jewel]

Italy folds way too easily

[vocal bolt]

yeah the civil war starts too early

they just cant do anything bc of that

[hybrid galleon]

100% all of the DLC pre order music fallen off after By blood alones as well

[night field]

ive inflicted 15 mil casualties and lost 1 mil now because im managing the eastern front almost entirely alone

[vocal bolt]

why would you preorder anything

you can just order when it comes out

[left jewel]

like i was playing with a bunch of guys and italy lost trieste, zara and albania and just folded lol

[vocal bolt]

not like this is a physical product that runs out

[hybrid galleon]

pfft i dont i just wait for the songs to get added to youtube

[vocal bolt]

they just cant bounce back

alot of countries can like clutch up if you support them well

[steel zephyr]

yeah this agent has been captured for the third time now maybe the USSR isnt the place for her

[vocal bolt]

italy folds the second the enemy gets a good oportunity

[hybrid galleon]

holy crap i forgot about espionage

[left jewel]

italy is a liability 100% of the time

[vocal bolt]

bro

why did you send her to the same country thrice

[left jewel]

Anyway poland is still the goat

[vocal bolt]

imagine you find a spy and then go capture her

[steel zephyr]

I overextimated finnish disguise technology

[vocal bolt]

a week later she shows up with a wig

[steel zephyr]

a week later she is now a man

[vocal bolt]

yeah lmfao

[left jewel]

Realistic

[steel zephyr]

thats the level of finnish disguise we have

[vocal bolt]

I heard all finnish men have this

a nation of potent spies fr

they can become woman at will

[left jewel]

By blood alone tho has to be the best dlc that paradox ever dropped

no steb back 2nd place

[vocal bolt]

no step back

how

[left jewel]

because i no longer need to build a navy

[vocal bolt]

no step bettuh trees

• bear

you can seize ships with blood alone right ?

[left jewel]

Yes

and puppet with resource rights and factory reparations

makes puppets actually useful

[steel zephyr]

Ok my pc crashed the fourth time this Finland session

[vocal bolt]

Damn

[steel zephyr]

The fan hesitates to even spin

[vocal bolt]

I should really buy dlcs but they are just so expensive

[left jewel]

who said i bought it lol

I got it from a friend

[vocal bolt]

bold to announce that in the official server

[left jewel]

announce what

[vocal bolt]

just messing with you

[left jewel]

no seriously just get a tutorial off of youtube and fork over all your money to paradox because theyre good devs and deserve it the most

like £40 game with £183 for all dlc

[vocal bolt]

brotato chip

maybe read the rules of the server to not get banned

[left jewel]

what rules

[vocal bolt]

[left jewel]

Wait where are the server rules tho lol

[uncut pollen]

#server-rules

[left jewel]

oh good thing i didnt break any of them

[dusky burrow]

yeah she's not made for these streets

[uncut pollen]

[vocal bolt]

what is the helper team

[left jewel]

yeah dude a friend gifted it to me

[vocal bolt]

he simply stated that he is broke

let the man live

free my boy fr

[uncut pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/unfunny-papers-please-gif-22986969

[dusky burrow]

we help with game questions and also help with moderation a bit

[fickle wraith]

Yo everyone, how do i get the private code to version 1.17.3

[vocal bolt]

I am not taking shit from a hoi4 player AND a discord mod combined

[vocal bolt]

is that the open beta ?

[vocal bolt]

lovely, thanks for helping us out

[dusky burrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225597737681031282/1297872029776613386/caption.gif

too bad

also should we do something about this guy

[night field]

i forgot i cant rely on the ai for anything

[uncut pollen]

Yes

[night field]

they dont even guard their coasts anymore

[vocal bolt]

they dont even guard the frontline

[steel zephyr]

what an AI...

not sure what I'm doing to lure them to keep attacking me but its great

[left jewel]

drop the template

[steel zephyr]

got three lines of fortified rivers with forests, large rivers at that

[steel zephyr]

Infantry

tank

[vocal bolt]

how is your percing so high

[steel zephyr]

AA

[smoky fiber]

I approve

[vocal bolt]

aa does piercing ?

[steel zephyr]

yes

thats why i never bother with antitank in single

[vocal bolt]

lmfao single aa div has more piercing that the tank div

[steel zephyr]

W neglection

[left jewel]

Show their casualties lol

[steel zephyr]

bulk of mine was from the push

[vocal bolt]

historical fr

[steel zephyr]

so prosporous that I've built level 5 rails

[left jewel]

Damn thats real historical

[steel zephyr]

can see that rail

[vocal bolt]

do yall use armored trains ?

[fickle wraith]

nah I was just asking because I didn’t see it avaible I thought if there was a private code for the version

[left jewel]

Wait its like 1943 and soviet civil war has not yet ended

[left jewel]

Only for countries where i know i'll have a weak airforce

[smoky fiber]

No just civillian ones

[steel zephyr]

if SSSR fails I usually see it hang onto Murmansk and Arkhangelsk and never fall because Arkhangelsk is the only supply hub in the region

which happened in this game too

[dusky burrow]

nice

[steel zephyr]

special mention to estonia though which had been holding off the axis for a long time now

[dusky burrow]

you have tank divisions as finland?

[steel zephyr]

yep

[left jewel]

Is that poland in the axis

[steel zephyr]

yep

[left jewel]

What kind of preposterous save did you pull off

[dusky burrow]

division template?

[left jewel]

Scroll up

[steel zephyr]

posted it a bit above

[steel zephyr]

here

[dusky burrow]

you're at a point where you should start replacing cavalry with mech

[steel zephyr]

whoopsie

[dusky burrow]

probably also upgrade your engineers and somewhere somehow fit flame tanks but this is fine

[steel zephyr]

got enough air tech to start to make my own fighters

[left jewel]

What does mil police even do

[dusky burrow]

you may be able to license it from somewhere

[dusky burrow]

simple

[smoky fiber]

Idk

[dusky burrow]

it decreases the number of garrison divisions you need

[steel zephyr]

licensed some from germany earlier but i cant find them in the production 😢

by earlier i mean right after finnish civil war

so a bit ago

[dusky burrow]

what does it look like

could be that common bug

[steel zephyr]

fort + forest + large river

holy mog

[steel zephyr]

i can see it now i noticed

[left jewel]

I tried playing attomwaffen in tfr and got cu cked by garrison costs

[steel zephyr]

gonna build more mils for this

[sonic sand]

how i know ive made it as a hoi4 player

[steel zephyr]

how to unlock more spies

[sonic sand]

thats the neat part

you don't

(upgrade your spy agency more)

[left jewel]

spam agency upgrades and hire illusive gentleman if you havent already

[sonic sand]

and some advisors give more spy slots

[steel zephyr]

did both

[left jewel]

Well then you've hit your max 🤷‍♂️

[dusky burrow]

mech should be in the first tab with your infnatry and artillery equipment

[left jewel]

What do you mean lol

[steel zephyr]

oh you talking about mech

[sonic sand]

anschluss before Chinese united front formed

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[left jewel]

Ohhh

[steel zephyr]

second collab

[dusky burrow]

pretty common tbh

[steel zephyr]

the two spies got soviet nationality too

[dusky burrow]

for players to do that

[sonic sand]

not for new players 😭

[left jewel]

tbh all it takes is spam recruit

[steel zephyr]

300k more soviets killed by me, <1k finns killed by soviets since then

what a kdr...

battle

[left jewel]

At this point they need to stop having the SSSR spawn so weak

[steel zephyr]

again they keep throwing 1 or 2 divs over the large river, forts, entrenched, name pretty much any other defence penalty againts them and it got that

[left jewel]

every time its just a slog civil war which either lasts till 1942 or has both sides join factions

[steel zephyr]

☠️

[left jewel]

you're taking 0 losses?

Do you have stronghold network btw

[clear dagger]

luxembourg gameplay before gotterdammerung:

[steel zephyr]

Pc crashed 4th time this finland run

[left jewel]

if you manage to push out stronghold network then its the same thing

[steel zephyr]

Nope

my div template a bit up in the channel

more than 1 soviet spotted attacking a tile?!?!

[steel zephyr]

result of said battle

[amber matrix]

2 days into the war 1:59 ratio

0:28k

🤔

[warped flint]

its very easy to rush anschluss

[mighty bone]

every single faction is fighting eachother (i am neutral azad hind) average nonhist game

[amber matrix]

yeah but you have to deploy at 20%

[dusky burrow]

time to conquer japan

[warped flint]

Who should I play in hoi4 im lowk bored

havent played a game of hoi4 in a few weeks

[left jewel]

poland fascist path idk

uh

chile maybe

[warped flint]

Is fascist king okay ?

[left jewel]

the funny french monarchist chile

[left jewel]

I was talking about the nationalist constitution path not the monarchist path

but you do you

[steel zephyr]

loses from 2 soviet battles are more than my losses throughout 2 months

I cant be bothered to breakthrough so i'll just wait until soviet equipment is drained

then i push to moscow

[strong belfry]

its easy if you use tanks with high hp

[dusky burrow]

which is why they should use mech

but yeah

[steel zephyr]

soviets too weak to lose over 1k in a battle now 😢

[mighty bone]

japans my only ally...

[steel zephyr]

yooo >1k 🤤

[fair horizon]

chat did they fix the naval supremacy dropping off for zero reason on a patrolling fleet in the new update?

[quasi shoal]

I doubt it knowing paradox 💔

[fair horizon]

tbh i figured but i did search the patch notes for the hotfix and didnt find supremacy or patrol in it at all :/

just this one

[toxic cradle]

yo

anybody can help me

[potent comet]

yo

[heavy vigil]

they made desperate defence worse if that counts

[potent comet]

my friend needs help with this

[toxic cradle]

nah not that

this

[fair horizon]

oh cool

[quasi shoal]

blehhhh

I know 💔

[fair horizon]

no manpower for small nations anymore

[quasi shoal]

isn't it not that it's worse but that it's harder to get

[heavy vigil]

no

they made mobi speed rlly slow with 1.17

[potent comet]

@stray kettle can u help

[toxic cradle]

who can provide assistance to me

[quasi shoal]

they nerfed the stats too? 💔

[heavy vigil]

its like actually pointless

[quasi shoal]

bruh

[toxic cradle]

@heavy vigil help

[fair horizon]

how many times do you get in a defensive war as australia?

[pure oak]

@median juniper can u help

[heavy vigil]

well you cant get more than 2 nodes pre grinded

[toxic cradle]

@quasi shoal

[potent comet]

<@&916727971820240976>

[pure oak]

@median juniper

[quasi shoal]

ask the question first before pinging people bruh 😭

[potent comet]

we did

[heavy vigil]

dont mass ping

[toxic cradle]

bro i need urgent assistance

[quasi shoal]

idk what that means man

[pure oak]

We need help fixing this

[quasi shoal]

do I look like I know anything more than y'all 😭

[heavy vigil]

#tech-support exists

[pure oak]

yea

u have furry pfp

[toxic cradle]

bruh

[quasi shoal]

huh?

what?

[pure oak]

furries know lots abt hoi4

[toxic cradle]

we need asisstance tho

[quasi shoal]

no?

[pure oak]

oh sorry

[quasi shoal]

y'all newgens don't know providence bruh 💔

[fair horizon]

hope the australia dlc turns out because my drive to play the game is dead rn

[heavy vigil]

just take time off its chill

[toxic cradle]

yo unmute @potent comet and @pure oak

i think someone accidently muted them

[pure oak]

imnot

muted

[pure oak]

yea someone

couldve done that

[fair horizon]

ive literally been playing stellaris instead

[uncut pollen]

One mute is Justified

Imo

[toxic cradle]

why

[pure oak]

<@&846894118219022336> help

<@&846894118219022336> can u help us

<@&846894118219022336> please

<@&846894118219022336> can u help

[warped flint]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-s-patrick-patrick-star-bottle-dumb-gif-1741625486363070335

[steel zephyr]

suffered 40 losses to over 1k soviet losses on a LARGE RIVER CROSSING

soviets getting cooked even in the defencive

[toxic cradle]

maybe try reinforcing ur frontline

[quasi shoal]

[pure oak]

DISCORD MODERATION

@subtrik

[steel zephyr]

I'm doing fine

[pure oak]

@adygean

SUBTRIK CRAP WATER 😹

[toxic cradle]

its best to listen to the advice of wise men

[steel zephyr]

im wise man

[fair horizon]

so who is he supposed to listen to?

[toxic cradle]

me

[pure oak]

SUBTRIK CRAP WATER 😹

[quasi shoal]

he's winning

[toxic cradle]

ye

[quasi shoal]

who ARE you

[toxic cradle]

if ur winning u dont wanna lose

[quasi shoal]

[heavy vigil]

wise words

[quasi shoal]

idk man

[heavy vigil]

wise words

[safe wing]

Same but I’m playing alot of total war

[safe wing]

About to retake Athens from the Aragonese as Byzantium

[smoky fiber]

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[warped flint]

brooo why

[quasi shoal]

cuz paradox is EVIL

they also nerfed CAS

[heavy vigil]

its still good in sheeps mod

so the game is fine

[amber matrix]

i like how i take like half the casualties from france that i do from poland

And i also use like half the divisions lol

france is very easy tbh

to beat

[slim nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/germany-sadly-military-dancing-gif-15458768980926539232

[smoky fiber]

Germany speedrunning Eastern Europe:

Good thing the Czech already built a bunch of Forts so I dont even have to do that much

[warped flint]

Alright so im poland, I dont think i am gonna be able to hold germany off..... I only have 3 armys of cavalry