hoi4-general

[quaint girder]

I won by being strong earlier than everybody else that was a major

And capping them

Before they could really challenge me, I played germany for this

[viscid swift]

sup guys

[noble timber]

hey guys, anyone willing to try out a template designer tool I'm currently building and get me some quick feedback

[viscid swift]

sure i guess

[noble timber]

not even sure if it's against the rules to post the link

[viscid swift]

u can DM it

if its not a virus then i'll check it out

[noble timber]

Cool thanks man, definitely not a virus will DM you ♥️

[ripe slate]

Well, there goes Katofelek's computer

[twin nebula]

I’m still not particularly sure on what to do but maybe I’m talking to myself.

[quiet vessel]

how do i promote my mod once it is released

[noble timber]

He's ok no worries lol

if others want to have a look, I won't be sharing any links but you can google it if you want: hoidesigner (I've recently integrated research and special projects and the ability to save your paths - was looking to get feedback on the experience with this)

[viscid swift]

nah its alright

[ripe slate]

There's dedicated modding servers/Reddit's for that

[viscid swift]

it wasnt a virus 🔥

[twin nebula]

Sorry for my rambling Marijn

[ripe slate]

I think your main message was blocked by the censor filter xD

[twin nebula]

Ah…

My bad!

[ripe slate]

Ah nvm

you basically you got skill issue? Honestly just playing the game while ignoring a bunch of mechanics worked well for me

[twin nebula]

🤦

[ripe slate]

Navy/templates/facilities/air can be all be ignored if you play a strong enough country

[twin nebula]

Sorry my message got filtered again. It ain’t intentional.

I just have a sailor’s mouth.

At times.

[viscid swift]

navy? my navy is just spamming submarines with as much torpedoes as possible and maybe one cruiser or 2 or cheap destroyers

[ripe slate]

I thought cruiser spam has overtaken sub spam as meta?

[viscid swift]

oh and ofc making special naval projects and not using it at all

[twin nebula]

Eh I want to learn how to do Navy/Air is the issue but also not having the Alt History Paths of Japan and Germany somewhat annoy me and I want to get the DLCs but missing out on sales cause I don’t really pay attention to them on Steam as frequently as I should so IDRK what to do.

[viscid swift]

i honestly dont even know what's the meta im just doing what i think will work and praying

(praying that UK will have mercy)

[misty fossil]

me when i look at people who do light cruiser spam

[twin nebula]

I hope this makes sense

[viscid swift]

air should never be ignored cuz its easy

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308354496493260831/1338397767634255892/image0.gif

[viscid swift]

put as much heavy guns as possible and deploy

[ripe slate]

I ignore it still

I cant be bothered to micro air

[misty fossil]

praying for the day pdx destroys sub/cl meta

force everyone to learn navy properly

[strong umbra]

nah super heavy battleships are very meta source:trust me bro

[heavy vigil]

hi mr curry

[strong umbra]

please fix the auto filter system

[twin nebula]

Hola

[twin nebula]

Does this make sense @ripe slate? Sorry to bother you with a ping.

[viscid swift]

source: me playing as iceland and building a super heavy battleship from 1939 (im waiting to 1945)

[ripe slate]

Historical Japan is plenty good for that

[strong umbra]

yes dw abt the cost

its only 26

k

ic

[ripe slate]

Italy/USSR/Japan all have excellent non-DLC historical(-adjecent) paths*

[strong umbra]

2.6k/5=5.2k

[twin nebula]

I like having the alt history paths as options is the thing

[strong umbra]

5.2k/2.5=give or take 6.5 years

It will take 6.5 years to build one fully maxed super heavy battleship

but its worth it

source:island

@ripe slate do u know why Icelands name becomes island?

[viscid swift]

i have a question do u work on RT56

[ripe slate]

Yes

I work on every good mod /s

[strong umbra]

.

[ripe slate]

Island is their native name I think

[viscid swift]

if there is not a focus tree for silesia, please make one

[ripe slate]

Someone added Silesian VA but idk about tree

[strong umbra]

so germany would be "not an island"

Italy would be "peninsula"

[strong umbra]

why isnt china is Chinese then?

or any other country for that matter

[viscid swift]

yo thats a fun fact lol

[ripe slate]

@viscid swift

I like how niche all those trees are

[twin nebula]

This makes sense right @ripe slate?

[ripe slate]

nvm, the silesia tree is commented out

[strong umbra]

you should make a south goergia focus tree in rt56

as in south goergia and the sandwich islands

not the state of goergia or the coentry

[twin nebula]

IDK what to do.

[trim yacht]

are those good?

[noble timber]

Im not a fan of the signals company but thats just me

[tulip thorn]

no

not even close

[strong umbra]

not rly a fan of the super heavy anti air support company bit thats just me

[tulip thorn]

Line artillery is terrible

[strong umbra]

its good for marines

naval invasions

[trim yacht]

Why does everyone keep saying line artillery is bad

[strong umbra]

you need all the sof attack u can get

[strong umbra]

it is bad

[heavy vigil]

hm?

[strong umbra]

way too much ic

[tulip thorn]

Its not

[strong umbra]

no org

[strong umbra]

yes

[trim yacht]

Look at the org i got

[heavy vigil]

how are you?

[tulip thorn]

Line artillery isnt really good for much, and that includes marines

[strong umbra]

either you quickly break through or u lose

[strong umbra]

it is ok for marines then

[noble timber]

Whats your alternative in boosting soft attack cheaply?

[twin nebula]

Stuck cause I wanna get Gotterdamerung / NCNS for the Alt Hist Japan/Germany Paths but I know, I should wait for a sale and stuff :/ Just yeah…

[trim yacht]

Whats better than artillery

[tulip thorn]

Pure marines is better my guy

[tulip thorn]

More marines

[strong umbra]

I got muted for saying

this

I wanted to tell him to keep him/herself safe

with the abbreviation

[noble timber]

You get hit with that cap and it wont boost as much as artillery

[trim yacht]

I lose like 200 soft attack but gain 20 org and gein 80 defense

[tulip thorn]

yes

Its better

[strong umbra]

line art is Bad 3 width way too expensive no hp no org

[trim yacht]

Org walling or what

[strong umbra]

its acceptable in marines

thats it

[trim yacht]

I use the reducer tho

[strong umbra]

and mountaneers

[strong umbra]

broski

u have way better options

[trim yacht]

Like?

[strong umbra]

for support doctrine

[strong umbra]

self propelled support

field engineering for defense

[trim yacht]

Well if i dont use spa

[strong umbra]

just dont use line art

support art is way better

[trim yacht]

Me omw to use rocket arti LMAO

[strong umbra]

its good

but u unlock it way too loate

great soft attack which u need

[trim yacht]

So ig spa is way better than arti

Line arti

[strong umbra]

spg are rly meta in mp

which means theyre good

spg and mech

[noble timber]

@trim yacht what country youre playing with

[strong umbra]

I see u francissuon

[trim yacht]

Brasil

[strong umbra]

wut

[snow rain]

it's alright as assault infantry because AI's bad but it's not suited for any marine-related function (amphibious landing and marsh cleaning)

[tulip thorn]

tank destroyers are better in mp

[strong umbra]

spg are basically tds

[noble timber]

Just use nukes and thats it

[strong umbra]

no

[strong umbra]

just no

[strong umbra]

just no thrice

[noble timber]

Alright then real nukes

[heavy vigil]

you cant say that, i will delete the gif and if you post it again you will face a warning and mute.

[heavy vigil]

patience is a virtue and skill, its impressive to have a lot of patience

[trim yacht]

Another question
Bicycle divs are way better than cavalry bcuz the bicycles count to the doctines for inf meanwhile cav doesnt right?

Id use neither but still in theory

[strong umbra]

just pick mounted inf

or use camelry

[strong umbra]

ik its butcheeks

[snow rain]

for brazil do something like this
replace hospital for AA if you never do air OR better yet, replace a ranger bataillion for a single AA piece

[strong umbra]

i see u francissuon

[twin nebula]

Does this make sense @heavy vigil?

[heavy vigil]

of course

[trim yacht]

88 org 💀

[trim yacht]

Which paths on the special force doctrines

[sharp sierra]

the ones that are better

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-of-course-ohhhh-oh-that-makes-sense-gif-11896286840118452668

[twin nebula]

So what the hell do I do?

[strong umbra]

you buy the dlc subscription

thats what you do

[sharp sierra]

you just run them over thats what you do

[strong umbra]

wow blasphemy this is such a disrespectful action against my beliefs

[twin nebula]

No

[sharp sierra]

has gotterdamerung gone on sale before yet

[heavy vigil]

act within what you believe to be righteous

[strong umbra]

I believe in rasputin being my god because he is my magic messiah man

[strong umbra]

wut

[sharp sierra]

where did u get this image

[tulip thorn]

goobsmooch on youtube

[twin nebula]

I don’t know what that is. I’m gonna be so real.

Congrats on Mod btw

[snow rain]

do as you wish for first branch of marines

[strong umbra]

why are u disrespecting paras?

[viscid mason]

You could use 3 special forces branches now? I don't own NCNS

[sharp sierra]

paratroopers are shit at combat

[tulip thorn]

Paratroopers are really only useful for their niche

[sharp sierra]

the paratrooper tank company is neat but

[twin nebula]

I just don’t know what to do despite wanting to get back into the game is all?

[sharp sierra]

do you have disposable income

[twin nebula]

I mean yes?

[sly venture]

what do i change

[sharp sierra]

what is this

[sharp sierra]

is it supposed to be flame tank

[sly venture]

yes tank

[snow rain]

since Arms Against Tyranny
you need a country that has a free special force branch given through focus + you get one from decision + the base one

[sharp sierra]

medium flame tank support company right

[sly venture]

yes i put it there

[sharp sierra]

well i would change the sloped armor and mgs to extra ammo storage

[solid ember]

Guys when next sale for DLCs???

Any infos?

[sly venture]

only that?

[tulip thorn]

add max armor ticks aswell

[sharp sierra]

yea

[tulip thorn]

And actually change it to a flame tank

[sly venture]

i did that

afger the photo tho

[viscid mason]

I thought they capped it at 2 with AAT meaning that the decision isnt allowed if you have the focus

[solid ember]

Damn why u guys ghosting me

[viscid mason]

As germany is only allowed 2 Special forces doctrines

[tulip thorn]

Because we dont know

[sly venture]

so i do this?

[solid ember]

Just say you don't know

[tulip thorn]

no

[sharp sierra]

change the guns to storage

[tulip thorn]

no

[solid ember]

But thanks

[sharp sierra]

ammo storage

soft attack stats on the flame tank company are crap its not worth it

[solid ember]

Hell nah whats that

[snow rain]

some countries are capped at 2
but brazil, usa, uk, canada, australia, japan, raj, germany, belgium and france can get 3

maybe more countries

[sly venture]

done

[solid ember]

Use Diesel Engine

[sly venture]

k

[solid ember]

41 Reliability would be crazy

[snow rain]

you can arrange the engine and suspension following the need

[viscid mason]

With NCNS dlc? as without it Germany is capped at 2 unless if a recent patch removed the limit

[snow rain]

support company, it doesn't matter

[sly venture]

k final deisgn

[snow rain]

no patch removed any limit afaik
you get 1 base doctrine, one from a decision in 1940 and one or more from focuses

[sly venture]

is it a good tank for 1938

[tranquil spindle]

Did any body else see this when trotsky takes over russia and releases Georgia?

[snow rain]

radio 2 is mandatory
you also should use armor skirts

[sudden thistle]

Go on steam DB

And look at price history for HOI4

Most of the time when hoi4 is on sale, the dlc are

Also shows when the game is free

[solid ember]

How to do that

[sly venture]

is this a good template

[sudden thistle]

Bro

Literally google steam db

[solid ember]

More artillery

[tulip thorn]

no

[solid ember]

yes

[tulip thorn]

Line arty bad

[sudden thistle]

Why flame/recon

[solid ember]

Doch

[safe wing]

Line arty is the worst

[solid ember]

We all love artillery

[tulip thorn]

I love support arty

I hate line arty

[safe wing]

*support artillery

[tulip thorn]

Its no good

[sly venture]

so is the template good

[solid ember]

it is

why would it be bad

[tulip thorn]

Cost, combat width, hp, 0 breakthrough

[sly venture]

is it good

[safe wing]

Replace light tank recon with armored engineers

[sly venture]

k that is all i needed

[safe wing]

But your good

[solid ember]

Bro infantry needs soft attack

[quasi osprey]

bruh seven days passed from the start of the war and the fins already surprise me

[tulip thorn]

it does not

[solid ember]

not breaktrough

[tulip thorn]

Pure inf with air will do more than inf with arty

[solid ember]

u dumb?

[sudden thistle]

Infantry doesn’t need to attack

[tulip thorn]

Sure

[sudden thistle]

Infantry defends

[tulip thorn]

Im really really dumb

[sudden thistle]

Line arty is only good for like the first year or 2

[tulip thorn]

I know nothing and im 100% just saying non sense

You are the master

[sudden thistle]

When everyone is really weak

[timber laurel]

collab governements are so op, i have 540 factories by may 1940 and like 120 of those are from my subjects

[solid ember]

Only in multiplayer

or lets say he plays a min or nation

[tulip thorn]

Infantry doesnt need to attack in either mp or sp

lmao

If you are playing a minor nation just make special forces with air

[solid ember]

should he attack ussr with 1 unequipped light tank division?

[tulip thorn]

or what infantry with line arty

[solid ember]

better than without

[tulip thorn]

if you have a unequiped light tank by the time you go to war

Skill issue

[timber laurel]

personally i make battleplans with my infantry nd i set them on carefull execution just to serve as a distraction whilst my elite troops/ tanks encircle the enemy

[tulip thorn]

Major skill issue

[timber laurel]

i think infantry should infact be used for offensives but very limited

[tulip thorn]

Thats like being afk the entire time before germany invades poland

[solid ember]

bro

tell historical world leaders of ww2 infantry is not for attack

[tulip thorn]

Its not for attack in hoi4

Hoi4 isnt real life my guy

Not even close

Its a sandbox not a super realistic ww2 sim

[solid ember]

others can declare war whenever they want

[tulip thorn]

Why would you declare war before you have even a single good unit to push with

[tulip thorn]

[solid ember]

the enemy bro

[tulip thorn]

Omg

Moondancer

[sage anvil]

yep

[solid ember]

then I hold with infantry and push with infantry later

[tulip thorn]

❤️

[tulip thorn]

How are you even pushing with line arty infantry without air

Just make air and use pure inf

[night wasp]

ngl paradox gotta add some ways for minors to invade the uk or make it so that minors can actually build a proper navy to fight the uk

[solid ember]

Never said I dont use air

[tulip thorn]

Then why add line arty if you have air

Thats just pointless

Air already allows for cheaper pure inf to push

[solid ember]

nah its better

[tulip thorn]

The difference is so minimal

[timber laurel]

wait ur not supposped to do that?

[tulip thorn]

Are you pushing with infantry without air

💀

[sage anvil]

why not

[tulip thorn]

💔

[solid ember]

🤣

[tulip thorn]

How does one even do that

[sage anvil]

What can I do if I don't have air?

[tulip thorn]

What is this trying to prove

[timber laurel]

not exactly i use it as like a distraction

[tulip thorn]

You should always either do tanks or air

[solid ember]

my way of playing is not a "massive skill issue"

[sage anvil]

I like ships more

[tulip thorn]

Skill issue

[tulip thorn]

Naval larp my beloved

[tulip thorn]

Skill issue

[solid ember]

urself

[timber laurel]

only 310 divisions is not a lot

[sage anvil]

I am very successful in naval matters.

[tulip thorn]

Naval larp makes the world go round

[solid ember]

I meant the amount of infantry

[solid ember]

says guy with my little pony pp btw

[tulip thorn]

Ok?

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-applejack-scary-boo-my-little-pony-gif-16256269

The scary pony is going to hurt you

[safe wing]

line arty sucks end of story

[solid ember]

nah it doesnt

end of story

[solid ember]

there is reason why its in the game and even in almost every starter template

germany in 1939 should attack poland with 6 tank divisions or what

[safe wing]

@heavy vigil sorry for pinging you but can you tell this guy why Line Artillery is bad

[tulip thorn]

Your argument is over when you try to win it by pointing out someone's pfp

You instantly lose

[timber laurel]

can anyone help me with capitulating the UK

[tulip thorn]

End of story

[timber laurel]

ion have aa navy

how do i naval invade em

[viscid stirrup]

mlp is peak

[solid ember]

your argument is over when you just spam the words "skill issue" without a reason

[tulip thorn]

Trying to win an argument by pointing out a pfp lmao

[viscid stirrup]

i bet you didnt even watch it because "its too girly"

[night wasp]

1% strength and org 1 batallion camel >>> every unit

end of story

[safe wing]

I watched the first 6 seasons before I jumped ship

[viscid stirrup]

at least you watched some of it

[sage anvil]

I agree

[safe wing]

2/3's of it

[timber laurel]

why does everyone in this discord like my little pony

[tulip thorn]

I really hate you, but thanks for helping me gng ❤️‍🩹

[safe wing]

Equestria at War mod

[sage anvil]

But I still think producing tanks and air is unnecessary

[viscid stirrup]

because its such a good show they made a mod about it

[tulip thorn]

Without air you will be cas out like crazy

[tulip thorn]

With tanks you push so quick it doesnt matter

[solid ember]

artillery so cheap, got 6 factorys and I have so much

[sage anvil]

Infantry alone is sufficient

[tulip thorn]

Literally no one cares if it works

You are fighting the brain dead hoi4 ai

ofc it works

Anything works

[timber laurel]

its 1951 u haave so little factories

[sage anvil]

sad

[timber laurel]

how do i invade the UK without a navy

somebody please help

[sudden thistle]

paratroopers

[solid ember]

no building space and bunkers, airforce and air defense was more important

[tulip thorn]

You built bunkers

[night wasp]

paratroopers but tbh you can just spam light cruisers with max light attack and shred their navy

[solid ember]

as france against whole world, yes

[night wasp]

although it does take some time to build

[tulip thorn]

[cold estuary]

Air superiority and Para troopers. It's very difficult to win with the Royal Navy but you can get air superiority

[tulip thorn]

Skill issue

[heavy vigil]

hi

[tulip thorn]

Bunkers waste of ic

[heavy vigil]

cic

[sage anvil]

why

[night wasp]

not a big fan of paratroopers cuz they land with no org

and instantly die

[night wasp]

just spam light cruisers and do naval invasion support once youve triggered one

🤷

[tulip thorn]

huge waste

What a shame

[night wasp]

what are you possibly preparing for

[sage anvil]

Why did you do something like that

[solid ember]

bro these were past frontlines

I pused them

[cold estuary]

Only Light Cruisers works?

[night wasp]

sir.

atleast build them

behind the rhine

why are you protecting the plains

[solid ember]

I did, you blind?

[night wasp]

😭

[green lodge]

Build em behind a river

[sudden thistle]

he did?

[night wasp]

theyre the best for sinking navy

[green lodge]

They'll give up atp

[tulip thorn]

He did lol

[night wasp]

ah

[green lodge]

Nice

[night wasp]

theres so many shit it covers the entire thing

i couldnt see

mb

mb

[green lodge]

Who's coming to attack you ?

[solid ember]

bro whats going on now

[green lodge]

God himself

[tulip thorn]

You dont need bunkers to defend

You literally dont

Ai is so bad

[green lodge]

You dont need to defend

[timber laurel]

nevermind i just remembered i have a mod for limited peace deals

[sudden thistle]

carpet nuke everything

smh

[timber laurel]

ill just do a ceasefire with the UK

[solid ember]

they got like 30 divivions every province and kept spamming? I need my manpower

[night wasp]

cant believe the game is 10 years old and features like this are still mods only

[heavy vigil]

whats this

[solid ember]

easy casualities

[night wasp]

marlons defenses

[heavy vigil]

germans dont know how to defend

/j

[uncut pollen]

True

[night wasp]

im pretty sure hes at war with a faction

[solid ember]

now its gettin personal

[heavy vigil]

history has shown

[tulip thorn]

Hoi4 history has shown that line arty is bad

[cold estuary]

during winter*

[tulip thorn]

Easy war

[twin nebula]

If I could only buy one, is No Compromise No Surrender or Gotterdamerung more worth it?

[night wasp]

you have 16 nukes

unleash that democracy

[tulip thorn]

Gotterdamerung

[sage anvil]

yes

[twin nebula]

Why

[solid ember]

but they got air superiority

wont waste them

[night wasp]

make fighters?

[tulip thorn]

You get more for what you buy

[solid ember]

.

[sage anvil]

He needs bunkers

[night wasp]

why are you producing strategical bombers if youre not using nukes and naval bombers

[twin nebula]

Is the Japan Alt Hist Paths really not worth considering?

[solid ember]

"make fighters" is crazy call

[night wasp]

jst focus on fighters and cas

[tulip thorn]

51 and so few factories

[solid ember]

Bro Im just france without anything

even spain was against me

and italy

[tulip thorn]

Did you civ greed or something lol

[solid ember]

?

[tulip thorn]

Did you civ greed

[green lodge]

Ah yes the Sowjets

[tulip thorn]

its a simple question

[solid ember]

bro im goin now

[sudden thistle]

i think thats called another language

😭

[solid ember]

just wanted to know when to get dlcs

still dont know

[timber laurel]

thats whati said

[night wasp]

yarr

[solid ember]

thanks for nothing and a lot of hate, goodbye

[night wasp]

jk

[timber laurel]

i have 630 factories by october 1940

[green lodge]

Uh I'd sag

Say

Uh no clue

[tulip thorn]

Cant even answer the question

[night wasp]

does commie france get to core spain and italy?

[tulip thorn]

Commie france is terrible

And no you dont get cores

[night wasp]

complaining about no manpower while having to garrison spain and part of italy is crazy though

[green lodge]

Answer his questions

What dlc ?

[night wasp]

dlc for what

[green lodge]

Idk

[tulip thorn]

Asking when dlcs are going on sale next

[night wasp]

ah i see hes at war with spain so he cant make puppets

[green lodge]

Get them when they're on sale

[tulip thorn]

Then it turned into an argument about if line arty is bad or not

Which it is

[green lodge]

It's not if you have no DLCs probably

I used line arty a ton

With all dlcs

[night wasp]

depends

[green lodge]

used

[sudden thistle]

https://steamdb.info/app/394360/

[night wasp]

if youre using them in an offensive divisions - not really

[sudden thistle]

@solid ember

incase u didnt check

[tulip thorn]

it doesnt

Its just bad

[night wasp]

if youre using them for your entire infantry = yes

[tulip thorn]

Explain why its good

[night wasp]

main issue about line arty is that it decreases org which you dont want happening in your defensive divisions

imo line arty is still viable if you create a different division templates just for pushing

if you pair it with mountaineers

[tulip thorn]

Dont pair line arty with mountaineers

Pure 32 width is better

[heavy vigil]

its releasing in june? wow

[tulip thorn]

Im hyped

Cant wait for the new game

[night wasp]

ehh

[viscid mason]

On D-day too. That was when hoi4 was released

[night wasp]

rangers give a decent bonus to line arty

[night wasp]

oh my god

is this..

real life reference???

[tulip thorn]

Server is english only

And thats bypassing auto mod

[tulip thorn]

Its not a ehhh

Its bad on mountaineers

[strong umbra]

paras

[night wasp]

how so

[strong umbra]

are goated

paras are the goat

[twin nebula]

Does No Compromise No Surrender bring anything new that is useful?

[night wasp]

i cursed paratroopers when i tried to land in the uk as belgium

[strong umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/dekeskui-dekeskoui-gif-20086751

[night wasp]

they kept landing with no org and instantly die

i avoided regions with AA

[strong umbra]

uh use cp for glider planes

use aerial supply

[night wasp]

i mean were gonna ignore the fact i had no airforce whatsoever k?

[strong umbra]

PEOPLES MILITIA

i think

[sly venture]

almost forggot luxemburg this could be very bad

[opaque atlas]

i noticed sometimes the focus to make siam join your faction as japan makes them a puppet and sometimes no. anyone knows what's the deal with that?

[night wasp]

damn bro sorry for ignoring regions where you were

😭

i mean avoided

[twin nebula]

What?

[night wasp]

not ignoring

[strong umbra]

doctrine

[tulip thorn]

Really gives nothing that benefits mountaineers

[night wasp]

soft attack?

[opaque atlas]

no one?

[tulip thorn]

Thats the only thing it does

[night wasp]

thats kinda the only purpose of line arty

thats why i said you use them on offensive divisions

you dont need as much org on that

[tulip thorn]

You get more from pure 32 width mountaineers

[strong umbra]

more org=sustained offensive

id rather push 5 tiles than 2

[night wasp]

true but youre not supposed to spam line arty to hell either

so that it affects your org that much

[night wasp]

gotta get a paratroopers commander first

[tulip thorn]

You really arent supposed to use it on special forces anyway

[night wasp]

😔

[strong umbra]

id rather use the ic for another support company than the same stats but more expensive and increasing the combat width

[tulip thorn]

[terse skiff]

Don't use line artillery they make your divisions weaker than pure inf

[sage anvil]

just build bunkers

[tulip thorn]

Dont build forts 💔

Wasting construction

Better spent on more mills that can make more units and equipment to defend better

[sage anvil]

no air no tank just bunker

[tulip thorn]

Albania larp

[sage anvil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255407059424514154/1385231302340644904/image0-2.gif

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-twilight-sparkle-mlp-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-twilight-sparkle-mlp-gif-6396438480313651304

[sly venture]

NICE

[sage anvil]

best princess

[strong umbra]

building forts can be worth it

[tulip thorn]

So true

[strong umbra]

if ur planning to just making shovel boys and static warfare then build forts

[sage anvil]

level 10 fort

[strong umbra]

cant get that without either setting the gamerule

or be czech

or build in alsaice lorraine

thats a state modifier

[sage anvil]

I love forts

[strong umbra]

wait what if ur czech and u get alsaice

I think the modifier says like lvl 10 forts can be build here

default focus tree also has a focus for +1 fort lvl btw

[strong umbra]

that

Czech focus tree gives like +4

plus research thats +3

[tulip thorn]

it cant go higher than 10

[night wasp]

is there any way to get a commando trait or is it all random

[strong umbra]

u mean agency?

or general

[night wasp]

general

[strong umbra]

oh

promote a special forces commander

a division commander of special forces

[sly venture]

nice

[strong umbra]

and make sure to not have academy scholarships or an equivalent

[sly venture]

now what do i take

[night wasp]

what if im playing lets say netherlands that doesnt start with special forces divs?

i believe it doesnt atleast

[strong umbra]

then create one

or grind the trait on your general

I think u get commando from paradropping

and thats it

naval invasions give u a different one

[night wasp]

constantly kill men with paratroopers for a general to realize how to do it properly

[sly venture]

ngl invading the uk as germany aint even that hard why do people say it is

[strong umbra]

so dont do that

[night wasp]

crazy

[strong umbra]

no paradropping

only when paradropping it counts I think

[night wasp]

alr ty

[timber laurel]

how do you do it then

[spring quest]

howdy yall how yuns all dooooooooin 2 day

[sly venture]

i put naval invasions on both sides so they split navy then attack from the english channel land on dover and then attack from the north sea and incircle em

[quiet vessel]

uhh is japan meant to cap china on historical..?

i do have ncns btw

[spring quest]

japan was quite bruital to the chineese durring ww2

[deep dagger]

How does Vichy France have more warscore than you…

[sly venture]

idk

[deep dagger]

Wait nvm

[sly venture]

italy stealing my war score

and doing nothing

[deep dagger]

The screen is kind of cropped

Oh I see

[sage anvil]

she is very kind

[deep dagger]

Mussolini being greedy ig

[tulip thorn]

She was very kind, giving megaspells to both equestria and the zebras

Very kind indeed

[sage anvil]

yep

[strong umbra]

are u a naval expert?

mister

[tulip thorn]

Ok ima go

bye

[deep dagger]

I know some tactics but I got this because it looks funny

[sage anvil]

byr

[deep dagger]

Role

[sage anvil]

bye*

[strong umbra]

i need u to gimme tips on my ship design

[strong umbra]

gimme tips

[deep dagger]

Alr

[terse skiff]

26k production cost

[deep dagger]

Well personally I just use heavy cruisers because heavy battleships have a very high production cost

[terse skiff]

WW2 will be over when it comes down to water

[strong umbra]

u are NOT a naval expert

[deep dagger]

Ye

[strong umbra]

but ok

[sage anvil]

It will sink 5 days after being launched into the water 😔

[deep dagger]

You see that burning ship sinking so that explains it lol

[deep dagger]

No heavy cruisers are cheaper and you can use them as capital ships

[viscid mason]

Red Baron told me just to spam Torp DDs and you'll win.

I hope that helps

But I think they also had a Shbb design if you want that

[deep dagger]

Like AI is not so good using navy

But if you have a strike force then have atleast 4-8 destroyers for each capital ship

And use naval bombers

[strong umbra]

rate my detroyers

[deep dagger]

If you have capital ships with AA and fighters then just put torpedoes on your destroyer

[strong umbra]

rate my aircraft carrier

it can launch 2 whole panes

[viscid mason]

Wait a minute, aren't you in Red Baron discord server? Can't you just copy off thier templates?

[deep dagger]

Well you can use this to patrol

And then assign a strike force to the patrol region

[strong umbra]

I am in red baron yes

I haven't touched it for a long time

[viscid mason]

They did make a japan guide recently so you could use that design

[deep dagger]

Tbh use light cruisers with many of those plane Moduls and then you have a recon force

They scan the area and the strike force will do the rest

[crisp wyvern]

How will this impact the Tannu Tuvan economy

[crisp wyvern]

playing as a minor nation lore

[timber laurel]

the world is under a new order

[viscid mason]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g3VZgx3HuKRVHAuhs3wArdq8c3gHkgLBka0s2T-y9pc/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9i4ulb39udvq here try these ship templates from this guide @strong umbra

[deep dagger]

Me as finland with 100 divisions

[crisp wyvern]

why is Italia big

can Italy into space

[timber laurel]

they deserve it

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/hetalia-italy-hetalia-italy-gif-5990286425199133614

[timber laurel]

they did well in north africa

i gave them some land in the peace deal

[crisp wyvern]

out of pitiness or did they actually perform well in north Africa, like well enough

Mussolini reached El alamein and into Cairo, millions must eat Chicago style deep dish pizza

[timber laurel]

he reached the suez canal and got stuck there

then i helped him nd he went all the way down to south africa

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/shia-labeouf-clapping-theatre-gif-15313749163340250467

[timber laurel]

without my help

[crisp wyvern]

Now help Japan smoke the remainings of China

[timber laurel]

no lol he justified on me

let him getg nuked

[crisp wyvern]

deserved carpet nuking campaign

https://giphy.com/gifs/stare-thousand-yard-queueuof-UsKYCgdsoHGq7xrHLd

[strong umbra]

can I remove forts?

[deep dagger]

Guys should I get the new dlc

[safe wing]

Retaking Crete and Rhodes from the V*netians

[sage anvil]

why

[strong umbra]

just wondering?

[noble timber]

Might be worth waiting for a sale

[sage anvil]

don't

[deep dagger]

True

[strong umbra]

no can i

not should i

[crisp wyvern]

why is Venetia censored

[strong umbra]

I cant find the button to remove forts

[safe wing]

Because I’m playing the Byzantines

[sage anvil]

because you can't

[crisp wyvern]

do you love forts

[sage anvil]

I'm kidding i don't know.

[sage anvil]

yes

[crisp wyvern]

I hope you die in a fire

[vocal bolt]

when do I start getting good

[sage anvil]

😔

[crisp wyvern]

the amount of times the maginot line has screwed my Germany playthroughs

[crisp wyvern]

when you uninstall the game

[vocal bolt]

also when does germany demand cze

[crisp wyvern]

that's when you start getting good at the game

[prisma saddle]

railway guns🤑

[sage anvil]

skill issue

[vocal bolt]

am tryna fort up before that

[timber laurel]

just go around it man

[crisp wyvern]

I'M BROKE GUYS, WHAT TF IS A RAILWAY GUN

[vocal bolt]

how does one become broke as germany

[sage anvil]

or make strategic bombers

[crisp wyvern]

What Kaiser Wilhelm II thought to himself when asking his generals for a way of invading France

[crisp wyvern]

mefo bills

or economy of conquest

[prisma saddle]

your future love

[crisp wyvern]

my future love is the russian empire

[strong umbra]

what the helly

[crisp wyvern]

live love laugh Vladimir the III

[strong umbra]

why am i losing the battle

[sage anvil]

I don't know how to use a railway gun

[strong umbra]

anyone?

why am i losing the battle

[sage anvil]

idk

[strong umbra]

what is that ai division

[crisp wyvern]

Steiner's ghost possessed one singular German general to undergo his counterattack

[safe wing]

Did you know he died in 1992 in Miami Florida

[sage anvil]

who is vladimir

[safe wing]

He was the head of the house of Romanov from 1938-1992

[crisp wyvern]

Lived longer than Wilhelm Crown Prince

[crisp wyvern]

the hoi4 monarchist Russia guy

[sage anvil]

Okay ty

[safe wing]

The tsar claimant in hoi4

[crisp wyvern]

bro outlived the same regime that deposed the romanovs lmfao

big fat L for the ussr

[safe wing]

I was going to point that out

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/packwatch-ripbozo-pitalonzo-alex-lafreniere-alex-iafreniere-gif-18890780

[strong umbra]

this is scary

what has the german ai done

why is it dealing 22k soft attack

22k breakthrough

[crisp wyvern]

Hitler found the totem of unimaginable power that cursed his generals to be extremely op

[strong umbra]

and 15k hard attack

[prisma saddle]

with railway guns

[sage anvil]

Because you don't have fort

[crisp wyvern]

albania if it had a human personification

https://tenor.com/view/japan-switzerland-japan-hetalia-switzerland-hetalia-hetalia-gif-13789893269846416709

[sage anvil]

Maybe one day

[twin nebula]

What countries are good for learning how to do Air/Navy and still have a decent Army?

[sage anvil]

usa

[twin nebula]

I am willing to buy either Gotterdamerung or NCNS or even both if I have to.

[sage anvil]

It's fun to play against the USA.

[crisp wyvern]

Muricaaaaaaa

[twin nebula]

I’m gonna be so real, I suck at playing the US.

Also the US is BORING

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/godblessamerica-america-usa-gif-1955659946067674628

[sage anvil]

noooo

just wait

[crisp wyvern]

Its because you are an absolute giant

[sage anvil]

nothing else

[sly venture]

How does Italy have more war score then me against the allies

[crisp wyvern]

Once Japan attacks you, you are free to commit as many war crimes as you can under the impression of liberating the pacific

I personally love nuking Japan

Strong declarations that the server went silent

[sly venture]

Genuinely what did they do

[vocal bolt]

if only nukes did anything

[sage anvil]

The Japanese navy has no chance against the US navy

[vocal bolt]

am forting it up rn

[crisp wyvern]

There are a lot of mods that overhaul nukes, some actually erasing the pop of a state, and some often rendering land as impassable

But most of them are outdated

[fringe shell]

guys why i use 2.5 milion on garison

???

[crisp wyvern]

And the good ones are locked behind the Götterdämmerung dlc

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/elephant-in-the-room-address-me-elephant-address-me-elephant-elephant-address-me-gif-8074152144814844974

[fringe shell]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dexter-zesmhmdi-zesbrevv-sZEl1yTi26mJzrI4VN

[sly venture]

Why is there so much score on Italy

[vocal bolt]

why would ANYYONE dismantle the forts

why is there a desicion for that

[fringe shell]

what

[rough iron]

is there blue archive mod for hoi4?

[twin nebula]

Seriously I struggle to reclaim / liberate the Europes as America so I'm not exactly the best and I don't really like playing Democracies / just sitting and doing nothing.

Also with NCNS is the Communist Japanese Path any better?

[languid patrol]

whats the best best mechanized division

playing as sweden

[vocal bolt]

when does germany get austria

[twin nebula]

Are there any significant benefits to buying NCNS before Gotterdamerung?

[trim lotus]

I know I was taking my time, it was late 1940, but I swear I was getting around to being a proper Germany and demanding Danzig. And then Italy decided to invade Greece.

This has echoes of a certain Austro-Hungarian Empire dragging Germany into a certain war...

[twin nebula]

^ Can anyone tell me?

[languid patrol]

faction stuff

[broken laurel]

paradox please fix your game

[twin nebula]

Wdym?

[languid patrol]

u can tell ai where to focus on and what to do

[twin nebula]

Is that it?

[languid patrol]

there is more stuff

[languid patrol]

just watch a youtube vid, it can explain it better then me

[twin nebula]

@heavy vigil Any chance ya can add some input to this? Because I am seriously debating just picking up both DLCs but I'm worried like when I picked up the Trials of Alliegence DLC and stuff I'm eventually just going to drop the game again when all the achievements seem painful AF or I just can't seem to take on a Major Power as a Minor Nation because I just suck at all the little things you need to do to make that happen.

[heavy vigil]

burnout with hoi is kinda natural

its a lot to learn and a lot of things are just difficult

most people lost motivation/dont have time

if you think the money spent is worth the time gained gaming you should buy it

otherwise no

[twin nebula]

The thing is I absolutely love this game if ya couldn't tell when I was more active here...

[heavy vigil]

those arent mutually exclusive

[twin nebula]

?

Apologies, I'm confused.

[proud sparrow]

They are saying that burnout is still possible if you love a game.

When you spend a large amount of time on something, the natural end result is that you burnout if you do not moderate your time with it, or place too high of an importance on it that it consumes your time.

Its why I generally tell people to play a game until its starts becoming unfun, then take a break and return in a little bit

helps avoid burnout on things you genuinely enjoy playing

[twin nebula]

I've not played HOI in like ages is the thing but I get what your saying.

Like its been an entire year since I last booted up the game

Well it was April last year but still

[mental lily]

why is this game so difficult

downloaded it few days ago and still dk what to do

[ripe slate]

Id say you need at least 20~ hours of figuring things out to learn basic stuff

[mental lily]

i barely know what im supposed to be doing

[ripe slate]

conquer

And build up before that

[mental lily]

which country do i start with

[twin nebula]

Did what I say to Chak make sense to you?

[ripe slate]

Maybe some minor country that can support the allies/axis, do you have any DLC?

[mental lily]

Yes

[ripe slate]

You you have Arms Against Tyranny, maybe Sweden, and then mostly fight on the territory of your allies

Otherwise Id probably just mess around with Germany until that makes sense

[mental lily]

alright thanks

[clever shuttle]

can anyone help me in #ask-for-help-here

[cold mist]

h

[hollow silo]

bruh

[sly venture]

Italy did nothing and got a crazy number of war particapition yall know why?

[uncut pollen]

Land leases

And stuff

[sly venture]

did none of that

my game is broken

[sly venture]

only logical solution

[wispy juniper]

I’m looking into getting into hoi4 multiplayer, I mainly play the Congo. I just want to know ahead of time if the Congo is commonly taken and unavailable during big multiplayer games?

[sudden thistle]

Italy suicide attacks into the enemy

If they lock in for Egypt

Occupation tends to give decent score

It’s just them being a distraction

[twin nebula]

If I was trying to get back into this game, how would people recommend doing that?

[terse skiff]

When did you last quit?

Do you prefer touching grass or staring at a computer map

[safe wing]

Play Medivial 2 or Rome total war instead

[twin nebula]

Like I said before, last time I played was April 2025.

[terse skiff]

Well doctrines changed so you might want to check out which ones are good

Spgs and TDs are now meta instead of regular tanks

And navy is a bugged mess right now and you need to learn how naval dominance works again

And then see how the new faction mechanics work if you have ncns

[twin nebula]

Yeah I struggle enough with getting tanks and stuff so like, I'm basically awful at this game when everyone else seems to manage all the little things you need to do so easily.

I'm not surprised a lot has changed.

It's just, IDK.

[terse skiff]

Tanks aren't hard to deal with. Ppl just refuse to learn what combat stats do.

Or even looking at the stats of things they design

[twin nebula]

I more so meant in manging the tank research, the plane research, the naval research and crap and also having a competent army.

[terse skiff]

Just research the things that matter then

You have plenty of time to research especially with major focuses giving all these research buffs

[twin nebula]

IDK what matters but fair

[viscid stirrup]

Italy probably did some secret stuff, like naval and air battles, sending some troops to fronts in other countries…

[spare belfry]

First time capturing Ussr :D

[brittle elbow]

hi guys

[safe wing]

Why are you playing the Ottomans

[patent thistle]

oil seems to be on very high demand rn

[patent thistle]

i am playing a mod

frozen war

[safe wing]

Which mod…

Okay good

[patent thistle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3471602506&searchtext=frozen+war

[patent thistle]

i am not touching the dev hellhole that is great war redux anymore

[safe wing]

Good

[patent thistle]

not with a 20 foot pole

[safe wing]

Would you play this dumb mod I made for Medivial 2

[patent thistle]

frozen war is basically "what if ww1 ended in a stalemate" if you ask

[safe wing]

I read the description

[patent thistle]

i dont even have medivial

[safe wing]

Fun total war game

It’s on sale rn

[safe wing]

I would recommend for the mods

[patent thistle]

the fact the ottoman navy in this world actually got its ships

from the UK

resadiye*

[safe wing]

Not bad for the Ottoman navy

How many Russias are in the mod

[patent thistle]

russia. isnt exactly in a great state rn-

[safe wing]

That’s what I thought

[patent thistle]

the soviets have around 4 battleships and the other russia about 7 or so

[safe wing]

Kinda wish they had Russian warlords

[patent thistle]

all are the shit marat class

[safe wing]

Like Kornilov in the don for example

[patent thistle]

well there is a few

[safe wing]

Though the Bolshvieks should control Petrograd

[patent thistle]

the lore is basically that germany saved russias ass

which is why they have everything in the west

[safe wing]

Then why do they have Siberia

[patent thistle]

germany could not push through the urals

basically the soviets won in the east but lost the west

lets be real the only nations which actually "won" are germany, japan and the ottomans in this timeline

germany gained a few tiles of poland, japan got the german asian possessions and vladivostok and the ottomans got the sinai and the caucauses

[obtuse yew]

Bradar what is this Shit

[safe wing]

What did the USA do?

[safe wing]

Frozen war mod

[obtuse yew]

Bradar that map makes

No sende

[safe wing]

Pretty much my opinion too

[patent thistle]

why is oil in such a high demand rn-

like i aint complaining

but still-

more then half my economy is trade-

[obtuse yew]

Bradar why are you always complaining

[safe wing]

I dislike the vanilla Byzantine unit roster on Medivial 2

[patent thistle]

can you talk like a normal human being?

[safe wing]

Its okay but I just dislike how they have no gunpowder weapons in the late game

Stainless steel fixes this

[obtuse yew]

Do I not talk like a normal human being bradar

[safe wing]

As they get cannons , arquebusiers as well as crossbowmen

[sudden thistle]

wtf is this

[patent thistle]

frozen war

[sharp sierra]

ts th nrmal wy to speak fr fr bra

[sudden thistle]

looks like some 6 year old alt hist

[patent thistle]

basically statemate ww1,

[obtuse yew]

Bradar I’m gonna report this message

[safe wing]

It makes no sense that a theoretical thriving Byzantine Empire in the 1500s would not make cannons or use gunpowder weapons

[sharp sierra]

6 year old alt bithc

[obtuse yew]

Bradar this is not chess

[sudden thistle]

this is hoi4 general

[safe wing]

They were going to buy the gun urban made but they didn’t have the money

[safe wing]

It’s quite

[patent thistle]

my guy, do i have to say it for a way for you to understand? ww1 with no official winner, happy?

[sharp sierra]

who officially won ww1 anyways not all the guys that died for nothing

[obtuse yew]

No I see that turkey won

[safe wing]

Japan and USA

[sharp sierra]

i cant stand reading or playing games about ww1 anymore

[obtuse yew]

Bradar are you mad

[safe wing]

I’m playing stainless steel which covers European and middle eastern history

[heavy vigil]

didnt the australians win

[patent thistle]

stalemate, the ottomans just abused the power vacuum in russia

[sharp sierra]

lol yeah

[safe wing]

Japan lost 800 men and got most of Germans pacific colonies

[patent thistle]

the ottomans arent exactly in the greatest state either given they dont core shit outside of turkey itself

[heavy vigil]

800? thats a lot

[safe wing]

The rest of the entente were indebted to the USA

[obtuse yew]

Enver baba also succeeded in Central Asia

[heavy vigil]

was japan playing hoi4 irl, joining the war just to get participation to take some islands

[safe wing]

And the USA got all the financial institutions moved to New York

[patent thistle]

independent revolt, the ottomans didnt do shit

[patent thistle]

lol, agreed

[obtuse yew]

Enver was a ottoman

[patent thistle]

some islands and qingdao which they then proceeded to lose anyways

[safe wing]

Pretty much

[obtuse yew]

What is this mod bradar

No history

[patent thistle]

i am not saying enver wasnt ottoman i am just saying that central asia revolted by themselves