hoi4-general

[sharp sierra]

i love ahistorical

[quasi shoal]

cuz you can't see it

intel

[azure walrus]

no i tagged over and they havent chosen

[quasi shoal]

oh lol

[tulip thorn]

You would see half of it disappear

[azure walrus]

yeah

[tulip thorn]

If they took either side

[azure walrus]

mhm

[quasi shoal]

not always right?

if your intel is low enough

[tulip thorn]

Its a always thing

[azure walrus]

i mean technically

if the soviets go beaten but not defeated

you will see both sides i think?

[tulip thorn]

Both sides still exist

[azure walrus]

but if they pick ML

then the beaten side disappears

[tulip thorn]

Since stalin is still technically doing some of those focuses

[azure walrus]

so thats a dead giveaway anyway

fair

[azure walrus]

oh yeah

[craggy trail]

[quasi shoal]

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-sparkle-wave-cute-mlp-my-little-pony-gif-8814149759150757043

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/twistim-mlp-my-little-pony-happy-twilight-sparkle-gif-6481078317428471599

[crisp wyvern]

Spend the entire day doing homeworks that at the end of it, I barely even wanted to look at my pc

Let alone play my excel map painting simulator

[mystic nest]

Wish there was a good napoleonic wars mod for hoi4

[tulip thorn]

Russia will win the naval war fr fr

[mystic nest]

japan is cooked

(i didnt produce a single one of these ships)

[tulip thorn]

Damn

In all of my recent games Japan has lost to china in just a year

Including the game I played in iron man historical

[mystic nest]

sometimes japan manages to cap china

[tulip thorn]

I've seen both happen

Including in my current game

Good I want a strong japan to fight

[mystic nest]

nah even a japan that capped chian still instacaps

if you go to the home islands

so its a bit dissapointing

[tulip thorn]

Sadly true

[smoky fiber]

I was too lazy for F12 but am I fried?

[mystic nest]

click o nthe red bubbles mate

[smoky fiber]

In my current game its 1941 and Japan has half of china already 😭

[smoky fiber]

I cant see its so tiny

[smoky fiber]

The ones for the battles?

[mystic nest]

yes

[smoky fiber]

I am cooked

[tulip thorn]

Kingdom of iceland 🔥

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lez-sassie-gif-20398250

[smoky fiber]

There is another time I didnt do the focus

[tulip thorn]

This heavy ship design from the russian naval tree is so fire 🔥

[mystic nest]

japan dropping these numbers while im nhaval invading with no air cover

on their home territory

PLEASE paradox buff japan on their home islands

nvm ispoke oto soon igot reinforce memed off the port

[tulip thorn]

Make japan spawn 200 free units when you naval invade them

[smoky fiber]

For my current one im about to do operation sea lion

With all my armies because i already eliminated the communists

And yes I do use field marshalls now

I need so many convoys for all my armies

Exceptthe 2 armies i have to keep the french from rebelling

[tulip thorn]

Very fair battle

[smoky fiber]

Totally

Quantity < Quality

[tulip thorn]

I have quality

Those are not cheap ships

[smoky fiber]

Ik

the Quantity is them

the Ruskis

[tulip thorn]

I am russia

Imperial larp

[smoky fiber]

Im slow

[tulip thorn]

Also made really thick Heavy spgs

The russian empire shall get revenge

[smoky fiber]

6.4 kmh tho…

[tulip thorn]

Yep

Thats still faster than infantry

[smoky fiber]

The tanks are not even walking speed

[tulip thorn]

Still allowing for overuns

[smoky fiber]

Barely faster

[tulip thorn]

2.4 kmh faster

[smoky fiber]

yeah

[tulip thorn]

I think speedy tanks are overrated

if you want speed meme do armored cars or mech

[woven gate]

paradropping dover still works

[smoky fiber]

I mostly use just whatever the game gives me the designs are confusing

[tulip thorn]

Plus 6.4 is the max speed for recon rangers

[woven gate]

armored cars?

[tulip thorn]

Armored cars are the fastest unit in the game

You can do a really funny speed meme with them

[smoky fiber]

Armored cars are speedy

[tulip thorn]

Overun everything

[smoky fiber]

and mechanized equipment is to

[woven gate]

i gotta read up on this

[smoky fiber]

like 50 kmh i think

[strong belfry]

@tardy furnace which mod are you hosting

[smoky fiber]

Ik im slow

😭

[waxen oyster]

Im confuse about naval invasions lol. My navy’s strike force can’t reach Hawaii? Even when it’s at one of the smaller islands near Hawaii? I’m Japan btw. Does a naval base have to be like higher level before I can reach Japan with capital ships or something?

[strong belfry]

remove one spg from the template

[tulip thorn]

no

[strong belfry]

oky

[tulip thorn]

36 and 38 are good my guy

[strong belfry]

but 36 is better

always the goat

[tulip thorn]

38 is better in this case

[quasi shoal]

ewwww

[tulip thorn]

Shhhhh

You will like heavy spgs

[quasi shoal]

I do

[tulip thorn]

You will praise my division

[quasi shoal]

recon rangers are mid 🥶

[tulip thorn]

[strong belfry]

which mod

[tulip thorn]

base game

[strong belfry]

35 witdh templates are best for attack

imo ofc

[quasi shoal]

also if you're the russian empire, how are you gonna get like any out before you get your "revenge" 😭

[tulip thorn]

I have 10

[quasi shoal]

it's like

36-38 or so

[quasi shoal]

can you keep them equipped during the war tho 🥶

how many mils do you have for that tho ✌️

[tulip thorn]

Its 43

[quasi shoal]

oh never mind

makes sense...

[tulip thorn]

I waited for the germans to go in on me

And that was 42

[quasi shoal]

no converts, ass build

[tulip thorn]

💔

I have failed

Time to quit hoi4

[quasi shoal]

I wonder why

[smoky fiber]

I like it

[quasi shoal]

now when's the heavy SPAA build

[tulip thorn]

my hoi4 career is over

[quasi shoal]

I will do this soon

after the dockyard soviets

[tulip thorn]

How about my famous 50 width heavy spg only build ™

[smoky fiber]

Had to put the Trademark 😭

[quasi shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-flightreact-flight-wtf-gif-11190336173610657371

[wary sparrow]

goofy world

[quasi shoal]

if you have the industry for that it's highk good trust

[tulip thorn]

24 hp 💔

[wary sparrow]

as austria hungary i started an early ww2

[smoky fiber]

oh wow

[tulip thorn]

it just dies when it enters combat

[quasi shoal]

nah but like

3000 soft attack

[quasi shoal]

nuh uh

it wins too fast for it to die

[smoky fiber]

What the

[quasi shoal]

1137 breakthrough

113 armor

[tulip thorn]

Yeah let me try it

Hol on

[quasi shoal]

that thing's not losing

[tulip thorn]

Ill just convert one of my units into it

[quasi shoal]

problem is

you need to supply it whenever it enters a battle

and it's 33000 ic 👀

[tulip thorn]

Im sure its fine

[quasi shoal]

so like

[tulip thorn]

Ill cut my air production for it

[quasi shoal]

if you have the industry to tank those losses

it's definitely possible

[tulip thorn]

Who needs air am I right

[quasi shoal]

(although it'd only work on plains)

[quasi shoal]

air doesn't matter with 3000 soft attack

the explosions are so big that the air gets destroyed too

[tulip thorn]

lol

So true

[smoky fiber]

What is he on about

[quasi shoal]

larp

[restive sable]

peak

[tulip thorn]

Meh

I've seen better

[smoky fiber]

Your name is like the most generic Polish name ever 😭

[restive sable]

pretty much

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[quasi shoal]

cuz you have bad buffs

[smoky fiber]

Based

[quasi shoal]

you can get that soft attack higher ✌️

[tulip thorn]

let me research super heavy tanks and land cruisers rq

[quasi shoal]

exactlyyy

[smoky fiber]

That piercing 😭

54 is wild

[jade parcel]

why cant belgium form benelux

[tulip thorn]

Piercing is useless in sp

Ai never has that much armor

Infantry can pierce ai tanks

[smoky fiber]

The thought process of the Japanese making low penetration tank rounds

[strong belfry]

amazing tank

[tulip thorn]

its peak trust

[quasi shoal]

where'd you even get allat piercing

do spgs have that much?

[strong belfry]

new meta leaked

[smoky fiber]

33k production cost tho

🫠

[quasi shoal]

and?

sounds like you're not thinking ahead

[smoky fiber]

nope

[tulip thorn]

I am 5 steps ahead trust

[smoky fiber]

trust

[kindred briar]

Whats the best path for china I wanna clown on japan

[strong belfry]

spam inf

i dont think china has good path

[kindred briar]

with what guns

[strong belfry]

only inf + anti air

[smoky fiber]

I have never played china

[strong belfry]

good choice its boring

[kindred briar]

try it its fun

[quasi shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-flightreact-flight-wtf-gif-11190336173610657371

[quasi shoal]

why do you have ultrakill pronoun shi but out of order

[kindred briar]

wait it is?

give me one sec

[quasi shoal]

mf booting up the game 😭

[strong belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/osamason-mj-michael-jordan-michael-jordan-gif-14320364864328848677

[kindred briar]

yes and

fuccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc

[quasi shoal]

real men have ts memorized 🥶

[kindred briar]

I am a goldfish

[quasi shoal]

[quaint girder]

Everything finally clicked

Everybodys dead

Expect the us and japan

By 1941

No italy in the axis required

[quasi shoal]

is it really everyone

[quasi shoal]

faster!!!!

[quaint girder]

Everybody relevant to ending the war

[quaint girder]

I had to go all the way to baku

Again

[quasi shoal]

and?

faster...

[kindred briar]

when ever I play hoi4 I get the urge to play vic 3

[quaint girder]

Yeah it would have been more optimal if I got a full collab on the ussr

I resorted to puppeting it

Otherwise this was very clean

[quasi shoal]

whenever I play other games I get the urge to play hoi4 and whenever I play hoi4 I get the urge to do absolutely anything else

[quaint girder]

Under 2m losses for germany

[quasi shoal]

lower!!!

[quaint girder]

Lithuania inflicted a weird amount

Got the royal navy mostly intact

And I got, everything in both peace deals

[quasi shoal]

you should've waited for the US to join allies

✌️

the US is too easy when you have a border like canada

[smoky fiber]

Naval dominance makes no sense to me

[quasi shoal]

how so

I find it pretty simple

[quaint girder]

Japan actually couldnt progress to that point

Since the tripartite pact happened

[quasi shoal]

pretty sure the US will still join at a certain point

around '42

[smoky fiber]

Like is it presence or like superiority in battles? And if its superiority in battles, what if the enemy never really attacks you navally?

[quaint girder]

And then the demanded tonkin

[quasi shoal]

basically

ships have supremacy values

[quaint girder]

Which I said no to, and they didnt declare

[quasi shoal]

task forces add all these up

when you put the task forces to patrol, you get supremacy

if you put them on strike force, it multiplies your supremacy (idk by how much I forgot)

[quaint girder]

Normally they form their own faction

[quasi shoal]

if you put it on convoy raiding, it subtracts enemy supremacy

[quaint girder]

And dont join until japan declares

[smoky fiber]

Ohhhhh so i have to patrol my units instead of just having them sit in the middle of the north sea

[quasi shoal]

yes

there's tooltips above the buttons for you to know this btw

i'd recommend reading everything, there's like a ton of stuff i've learned just by sitting down and hovering over every little thing

[smoky fiber]

Thanks for telling me sir

Im going to sleep now goodnight

[clear dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-insomnia-staying-up-no-sleep-go-to-bed-gif-1241619787720553555

[opaque zinc]

Does anyone have like a good tutorial for navy

I’m watching this one guide and I’m gonna say what I remember

Screens are like the first kinda thing like they protect the other ships and the screens attack the enemy screens first

Capital ships have the most guns and do the most damage I think so they’re important to keep up

And carriers are really helpful since naval bombers do good damage

And carriers are cheap I think I don’t remember

Submarines are good for convoy raiding

Light destroyers or destroyers idk the difference are cheap and do good damage

Let me know what I missed

I still don’t know how to organize my stuff though

[terse skiff]

the easiest way is to build 4 carriers, 4 cheapest bbs in the latest model, and as many cheapest dds (cl if you want more range). The cheap ships are called roaches and your goal is to use carrier naval bombers to do as much damage as possible. For doctrine take base strike with the carrier subdoctrine that adds the most sortie efficiency. Then once you get the basic fleet start adding carriers and the corresponding capital ship and screens. With max level of that subdocrine you can get 8-9 carriers in the same battle

[tiny iris]

Guys, did they add kneel fire in Napoleon Total War?

[tiny iris]

You talk about every strategy game BUT Hearts of Iron, you know that?

[leaden wraith]

ah yes

when cosmetic tags get drunk

[nocturne cedar]

first encirclement of the war

[tiny iris]

You have artillery divisions.

[nocturne cedar]

motorized artillery*

[tiny iris]

Yeah, one single pebble will destroy it all.

[nocturne cedar]

theyre quite strong tho, shredding AI troops like nothing

[tiny iris]

Until they push back.

Then your army is ruined and casulties is through the roof.

[nocturne cedar]

why are you expecting the AI to be good?

[tiny iris]

You even it out.

[nocturne cedar]

dont worry, i can always grab more troops from my terrible puppets

[tiny iris]

Nah, joking.

The AI is stupid.

It can work for SP but not MP.

It's not meta.

[nocturne cedar]

the AI has been throwing their navy ("powerfull" one) agaisnt my outdated pre made navy

and theyre losing ship after ship

i could naval invade them now, but eh

im doing good, not that desperate yet]

ah you gotta be kidding me

the AI teleported 5 divisions

OUT OF NOWHERE

[opaque zinc]

I’m sorry if this seems like I didn’t read this message but there’s like something for some ship I think where if you have more than 4 of it it starts to penalize you correct?

And what should I prioritize for research

So you already have the bbs there

So I prioritize that for research

How tedious is navy like how much do I have to pay attention to it

Is it more like planes where yes it’s important but once you get the right things it’s just a little managing

[terse skiff]

Sortie efficiency allows you to put more carriers in one battle without getting penalties

You need to prioritize carrier related things and fire control, so what you need in your naval fleet

Navy is usually a sideshow unless you are fighting UK, USA, or japan

[fair horizon]

i could teach you

[winged field]

Simplified: Spam max light attack light cruisers
2. Shhb
3. Cheapest carrier

Point 2 and 3 are optional

[heavy vigil]

light cruisers? ☠️ unc 🥀

dds get like -60% vis with a blockade runner

and other stuff

cls are still fine tho

[winged field]

Light cruisers spam dead?

😣

So just carrier and shhb spam then

[heavy vigil]

dd spam :3

[heavy vigil]

it still works fine and can be better if you dont have all the vis buffs/torp upgrades

[winged field]

Gotcha

[left tusk]

@mystic nest i nuked the british navy and air and won the war

with my 3000 planes and 6 tank divs

[mystic nest]

whats your tank template

6 tank divs is actually quiite a far bit

depending on your tempate

[left tusk]

the one i showed you

when i first came here

except i changed it out for riveted armor

and added the maintenence module

but yea the landing went very well

and now whenever i open hoi4 again im gonna blitz the soviets

[mystic nest]

fair enuf

[green lodge]

Hallo

[tulip thorn]

Hello

[green lodge]

Is this a good div for 1937 for attacking

[tulip thorn]

god no

[green lodge]

Only 15 divs of these for now as greece

[green lodge]

it seems to be better than 9 infantry and i have like 2 research slots so there

's quite some time before medium tanks

[green lodge]

What would be good then ?

[tulip thorn]

Mountaineers

Cheaper and just way better

[green lodge]

This ?
i can't train

[tulip thorn]

This

[green lodge]

not enough special forces cap

[green lodge]

Not enough sp force cap for that
i have 15 total divs 💀 in 1937

[tulip thorn]

Make it when you can

Even just 2 of them will do better than alot of those motorized

[green lodge]

But i'm gonna have to fight Romania soon

[tulip thorn]

Do you have aat

[green lodge]

aat ?

anti air ?

[tulip thorn]

Arms agianst tyranny

[green lodge]

yeah

[tulip thorn]

Get elevate the mountaineers

And make more infantry

[green lodge]

Gotcha

[timber laurel]

NO

NOOOO

THAT WAS MY ENTIRE TANK BATTALION

[timber laurel]

i tried to do it the napoleon way

spearhead to moscow

[tulip thorn]

Dont do that in hoi4

Thats just a terrible idea

[timber laurel]

if my supply wasnt so bad it problably would have worked

[clear dagger]

you need a lot more than moscow to cap them

[tulip thorn]

You would still would have probably been encircled

[fair horizon]

its not dead but carriers dunk on ships way harder

[tulip thorn]

[clear dagger]

holy shit why was that ping so loud

[hot rivet]

I don't think it's the supply 💀

[timber laurel]

i set up a collab gov so they'll problably capitulate at the urals

[timber laurel]

my tanks are op

[tulip thorn]

Thats so far past moscow

[timber laurel]

advanced medium tanks in june 1938

[tulip thorn]

using anything but basic tanks 💔

[fair horizon]

honestly ngl im gonna move away from cruisers so much

[timber laurel]

easy peasy

[fair horizon]

carriers dunk hard so

[tulip thorn]

I love building navies 100% from scratch

[fair horizon]

same

did that in my most recent australia game

[timber laurel]

idk how u guys use air// navy

[tulip thorn]

This is my current imperial russia game

[timber laurel]

my strategy consists of making a offensive plan

[fair horizon]

i dont use air because its worthless

i use navy because i dont have to defend my ports

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

I do all

Everything

[fair horizon]

i dont play majors so

[timber laurel]

i just spam braindead op tanks

[tulip thorn]

Ill do 2 out of the 3 as a minor nation

[tulip thorn]

I want to see your op tank

[timber laurel]

not exactly OP but it rolls over the AI

[clear dagger]

me who cant do either because im luxembourg:

[fair horizon]

bro wheres the mechanized

[green lodge]

What this

[fair horizon]

luxembourg gets steel wym

[green lodge]

Got it my bad

[timber laurel]

thats lategame though

its only 1938 rn

for 1938 my tanks are op

[tulip thorn]

I started making that in 38

[clear dagger]

have you tried making an airforce or a navy with just luxembourg

[timber laurel]

WHAT

[tulip thorn]

Those are just basic heavy tanks

[fair horizon]

cant be too difficuylt

[tulip thorn]

Because basic is all you need

[clear dagger]

you need those 5 factories for the army

any plane you make will get shot down because its 12 shitty 1936 planes vs 4000 fighters

[timber laurel]

does it work in all terrains

[tulip thorn]

Even for 38 your tank is terrible

[timber laurel]

what about supplies

[tulip thorn]

ofc medium spgs are better general purpose

and also way cheaper

[timber laurel]

might be a dumb question but what the hell is a spgs

i only have like 100 hour

[tulip thorn]

Self propelled artillery

[timber laurel]

how do u make it?

[tulip thorn]

Do you have no step back

[timber laurel]

i have all dlcs 1.17.3

[tulip thorn]

You make a tank like this

[grizzled yarrow]

Chat is this good time for carlist spain

[tulip thorn]

Click on the little arrow and it brings up this menu

You then just click artillery

They are current sp meta for armor builds

[timber laurel]

alright

did u have any doctrine mastery

[tulip thorn]

Im currently almost at max on everything

[heavy vigil]

where hp

[timber laurel]

is it cheap to produce?

[tulip thorn]

The hp died because it had way to low of hp

[keen gazelle]

My division composition is like this, but is there anything I should change?

[tulip thorn]

Is what cheap

Spgs

[timber laurel]

the template u sent

with 1.6k soft

[tulip thorn]

God no

[keen gazelle]

180

[tulip thorn]

almost 18k ic

Thats so absurd for 99.99% of nations

[heavy vigil]

its 11K

so

so

[heavy vigil]

about 900? ic lost per hp lost

dreadful

[tulip thorn]

yeah

Expensive

my favorite

[timber laurel]

mkay

ty

ill try this in my next game

[keen gazelle]

Well, the design remains almost the same

[tulip thorn]

Just make a normal 38w medium spg unit

[tulip thorn]

I need to make that

[heavy vigil]

@keen gazelle no nazi flags/imagery please #server-rules

also no controversial figures

[keen gazelle]

sorry

[timber laurel]

show me

[keen gazelle]

There are two Canadas in the world, and one called Partisan

[tulip thorn]

Check #ask-for-help-here pins

[dusky burrow]

don't use mytishchi mio for design, that's production

[tulip thorn]

I know

I was just using that as an example for how to make something into an spg

[dusky burrow]

ah i see

[inner cove]

someone choose what achivement i should go for

[tulip thorn]

The coast is clear

[strong umbra]

why am i losing this?

[inner cove]

#ask-for-help-here

[tulip thorn]

You arent

[strong umbra]

look at the bar

i am losing this

[jade ore]

its because thgey start with more org than you

combined

[inner cove]

alright, i'll go for the other nationalist achivements too

[jade ore]

you are literally rolling them

and you know it 💀

[strong umbra]

no?

[tulip thorn]

Unpause

[inner cove]

i have no clue how hard nationalist china is now so i might catastrophically fail

[strong umbra]

ah nvm

[dusky burrow]

airpower? just the fact that they have more org and thus it shows they are winning? etc etc

[strong umbra]

i am winning this

[dusky burrow]

you should power through them like nothing

yeah

[strong umbra]

i have green air

[dusky burrow]

holy that's a lot of aircraft

[tulip thorn]

thats not enough aircraft

Every state needs to have a level 10 airfield and 2k planes each

[strong umbra]

unit in question btw

[dusky burrow]

you kpet getting pushed back from london?

[strong umbra]

no i was farming medals

[dusky burrow]

fair

[strong umbra]

i could get more

[dusky burrow]

most expensive division be like

[strong umbra]

but im running low on pp

[tulip thorn]

Does this even have hp

[dusky burrow]

make them amphibious for more expense

[dusky burrow]

like 30 hp

basically nothing

[tulip thorn]

Im currently trying to make a expensive unit

Just need to wait for a few more researches like land crusier

[strong umbra]

mine is more expensive

by around 500ic

[tulip thorn]

You have land crusier

[strong umbra]

yes

[tulip thorn]

Im 2 years away from it

[strong umbra]

am i not allowed to use it?

[dusky burrow]

land cruiser is cheap btw so if you're making the most expensive division it doesn't make that much sense

[dusky burrow]

but if you're making a division with crazy stats then it's worth it

[vital cove]

are you planning to play with that or

[tulip thorn]

God no

[strong umbra]

rate my cas

[tulip thorn]

Ill stick to my normal heavy spgs

For most combat

[heavy vigil]

cheapskate

only 67K ic

[strong umbra]

rate my strat bomber

it can bomb all of usa from paris

[heavy vigil]

@dusky burrow land cruisers are good for high IC

as fifth support

[strong umbra]

wait how did u make super heavy aa

i cant find the module for that

[heavy vigil]

design

[strong umbra]

and tank destroyers

[strong umbra]

send me ur design

i just cant get it to work

[heavy vigil]

didnt save

just put the AA 3 on it

medium cannon

[strong umbra]

goshdarnit

[heavy vigil]

it needs to be a

superheavy

not a land cruiser

cruisers cant change roles

[strong umbra]

ik

[heavy vigil]

medium

[heavy vigil]

roic aa techs

[strong umbra]

wut do i have to research?

[heavy vigil]

AA 3

[dusky burrow]

Yeah I know

Well

No

What am I saying

[heavy vigil]

theyre the fifth best support for adding IC

so while youre correct that they arent the best

they are top 5

[tulip thorn]

The meta for making the most expensive unit is currently being talked about 💔

[heavy vigil]

he was missing 35% of the cost because he didnt do amphibs

[tulip thorn]

damn

sub optimal

[timber laurel]

i tried ur division design

its shredding the AI like crazy

[dusky burrow]

No not really, this is the most expensive land cruiser I can make

[fair horizon]

Ratte

[heavy vigil]

missing armor clicks

[dusky burrow]

Oh wait I forgot to upgrade the MIO

[heavy vigil]

oh yeah

cant do it as germany

you need the fast tank MIO

[dusky burrow]

There's also this btw

[heavy vigil]

do it as like idk turkiye

they have fast tank

it has a node that adds +5% cost

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

But even then I don't think it breaks 660 ic

[heavy vigil]

so?

[dusky burrow]

Which is the threshold we need to break in order to be more expensive than armored engineers

[heavy vigil]

its more expensive than non superheavy supports

[heavy vigil]

are they that expensive

i forgot how long ago i did this

[dusky burrow]

well I made them that expensive (look at screenshot above)

[heavy vigil]

naturally

[strong umbra]

you know what

im gonna beat ur div

[dusky burrow]

armored engineers have 30 of these and 15 support equipment, so 30 * 24 + 15 * 4 = 660

[heavy vigil]

itd not hard i spent like an hour on it ages ago

[inner cove]

yeah i badly failed

i need a better achivement to try for

[dusky burrow]

Welp...

also with morozov the cost of the armored support vehicle increases by .6, so over the whole division that increases it by .6 * 30 = 18 ic

wait a minute

light tank recon with cast armor be like

[strong umbra]

does Japan get like tank produce cost increase?

with like the army navy rivalry decisions

[mystic nest]

nonh istorical ussr is an absolute nightmare

my FIRST non hist game

and i get jumped by literally all my neighbours except tannu tuva and mongolia

how is this even possible

even america hates me

does like 80% of all the countries have a focus that gives them a wargoal against the ussr??

[weary lagoon]

holy shit 32% is alot for this

[heavy vigil]

why not fixed turret with medium?

is it cheaper

[crude dragon]

having puppet hungary annex all potential lithuanian cores and releasing ussr as collab is cool

[heavy vigil]

eventually

oh increase

i dont think thats good to go off of

id consider MIOs fair game but national spirits not

[dusky burrow]

light tank recon

[heavy vigil]

how much is it

[mystic nest]

japan should almost never make tanks in their normal theatre of war anyway

[dusky burrow]

as in ic cost?

[mystic nest]

inf and special forces are just straight up better in the pacific

[heavy vigil]

yess

[heavy vigil]

you can

add it to the marines

[mystic nest]

oh

forgot about htat

i usually use mountaineers

since they rip through china and the pacific

[heavy vigil]

yes

[mystic nest]

beautiful

[dusky burrow]

39 ic over 24 units means 936 ic

[strong umbra]

were doing high ic cost challenge

[mystic nest]

is this with marine specialisation?

what sf branch spec is this build for

[heavy vigil]

pre NCNS

so marine and mountain

[mystic nest]

ah

cuz with mountainer spec

the width would get cut a lot

[heavy vigil]

it has that

[mystic nest]

what does that mean

[mystic nest]

oh

then i just cant add lol mb

[heavy vigil]

10x mountaineer

[mystic nest]

whats the bottom support company?

[heavy vigil]

so it loses 2 width

[mystic nest]

wait but dont you only get pioneers

from uh

[heavy vigil]

superheavy howi

[mystic nest]

from the marine spec

[heavy vigil]

yes

you do 2

[mystic nest]

oh

you can??

[heavy vigil]

yes

if you cheat you can do 4

raj/afghan/iran/iraq can do 3 afaik

[strong umbra]

most expensive division

ic=industrial capacity

[heavy vigil]

also @strong umbra

idk if japan is good you dont get fast tank

which is 5%

[mystic nest]

i see 💀

thatll juist be like

a div full of land cruisers

😭

[mystic nest]

do you need ot do anything special to do 2 or nah

[strong umbra]

are national spirits allowed or not?

[heavy vigil]

click a focus that gets you another specialization

[heavy vigil]

idk up to you

id say not because theres probably something extremely silly

[strong umbra]

fair enough

[strong umbra]

its 10 percent

rather than 5

[heavy vigil]

ik

fast tank MIO is 5

and theres other countries with bad spirits

[strong umbra]

so am I allowed to use this or not?

[heavy vigil]

do whatever u want

[strong umbra]

k

[mystic nest]

do all countries have this?

[heavy vigil]

most

[mystic nest]

im assumin this is like a relatively late game build though

[heavy vigil]

otherwise you get a generic decision when youre a major

[heavy vigil]

1939 techs

[mystic nest]

cuz spaa double specialisation wont come quickly

ah

but i usually like

research flame tanks first

then cev

[heavy vigil]

i did it in a real game

[mystic nest]

oh

[heavy vigil]

vs sheep

[mystic nest]

maybe if you prioritise the artillery?

[heavy vigil]

i like sealioned for fun

[mystic nest]

i just find flame tanks too good

[heavy vigil]

why not flame first

you dont need MEVs that badly

[strong umbra]

nah always do stronghold network first

[timber laurel]

why do sometimes i get the option to form a provisional governement in territories i've conquered

[heavy vigil]

genuinely not that bad

[timber laurel]

or i get the option to form a collab governement

[heavy vigil]

gets a lot of ground thingy back

[strong umbra]

80 compliance or more

only commie and fascist

[heavy vigil]

no

non aligned too

[strong umbra]

no?

no nvm

[timber laurel]

what about provisional governements

and how do i get compliance as well

[strong umbra]

set law to brutal oppression

[heavy vigil]

no

dont troll

[timber laurel]

i did the uh

cavalry thing

[strong umbra]

set to local autonomy if ur demo

[timber laurel]

for garrisons

where u spam like 50 of them in a single template

nd i put military police

[strong umbra]

nah

resistance doesnt matter all that much tbh

it affects compliance

but

[mystic nest]

wdym

i do research flame first

[heavy vigil]

ok

[mystic nest]

its always flame --> cev --> anything else

[heavy vigil]

then ur good

[mystic nest]

flame tanks give so much for how little investment they need

[heavy vigil]

just do flame - > howi

[mystic nest]

its great

[timber laurel]

yeah thats why im doing it

[mystic nest]

ah aight

[mystic nest]

wdym

you usaully only need one cav battalion

[twin nebula]

What should I do? Can anyone help?

[molten forge]

damn looking for mp drier than my dms

[mystic nest]

in like 95% of cases

[timber laurel]

saw some guy on yt said it helped better

[mystic nest]

he's talking about very specific cases

in general 1 cav will do fine

[vital cove]

not very specific

literally just if u have mp

[strong umbra]

just set the law to harsh quotas tbh

never gonna get enough compliance anyways

to form collab

unless u did collab

[twin nebula]

^ Cause I feel like I’m garbage at this game but I still love this game but lacking the new Japan and Germany Alt History Paths is kinda making me want to get the DLC before I play again.

[strong umbra]

buy dlc pass

subscription

[twin nebula]

Ew. No. I wanna own the freaking DLC. Not temporarily.

[timber laurel]

when i conquer france nd i want to form a collab governement what do i do?

like what option do i pick in the pop-up

[strong umbra]

there is an option for it

in choices

[mystic nest]

ah fair, i usually dont play mp intensive countries

finland gameplay :(

[timber laurel]

so what option do i pick

[timber laurel]

establish vichy france or

[strong umbra]

DECISION SHOULD BE DOWN HERE

[mystic nest]

take all

[strong umbra]

ESTABLISH VICHY YES

[mystic nest]

wait what

i usualyl take all for autarky no?

theres a buncha aluminum down there

[strong umbra]

no establish

[timber laurel]

ok i establish vichy france

then go down to foreign influence

[strong umbra]

yes

[timber laurel]

make a collab gov with vichy

does that mean it'll get northern france back

[strong umbra]

choose collab gvt free france

[mystic nest]

OH

[strong umbra]

in decisions

[mystic nest]

theyre playing with la resistancec

smh

[timber laurel]

all dlcs

[strong umbra]

broski

[mystic nest]

im a d1 la resistance hater

[dusky burrow]

how much collab do you have in france

[strong umbra]

why do u hate la resistance

[mystic nest]

i have la ressitance turned off

[mystic nest]

i do not enjoy the spy network

[strong umbra]

it was to show him where to form collab without pop up

[mystic nest]

i go in and bash them

[timber laurel]

do they get northern france back

[mystic nest]

but yeah id suggest playing with it

[timber laurel]

if i form a collab gov

[dusky burrow]

fair

[mystic nest]

its just tha ti prefer bashing them

[strong umbra]

ur collab annexes vichy

[dusky burrow]

remember you need at least 80% collab to do this

[strong umbra]

yes

[timber laurel]

ok let me get this straight

[dusky burrow]

and thus you need to have at least 3 collab governments

[twin nebula]

Does anyone have any advice aside from buying the DLC Pass?

[timber laurel]

establish collab gov in france before conquering

[strong umbra]

ur collab also gets french navy

[timber laurel]

once conquered establish vichy

then go down into foreign influence

[strong umbra]

if u want it then annex ur collab and u gte french navy

[timber laurel]

establish collab

[strong umbra]

yes

[timber laurel]

nd the collab will be a puppet right

which gives me their uhh

industry

[strong umbra]

they will be a collab gvt

75 percent of factpoies go to u

[timber laurel]

thanks gng

ill try this out in my next game

[timber laurel]

wdym 3 collab gov

[strong umbra]

try to get as much collabs as u can as ger

always worth it

[timber laurel]

is it possible to stack the collab gov mission over and over again

[molten forge]

what country is fun if i only have 1 dlc btw😭

[strong umbra]

3

[strong umbra]

u get all dlc historical paths

except Hungary ig

[timber laurel]

aight

[strong umbra]

and china is different

[timber laurel]

ty

[molten forge]

you get austrohungary ig

[timber laurel]

is there a way to give back northern fraance to ur collab

?

[molten forge]

rn am doing alt his germany cus i never played germany (200 hours only)

[timber laurel]

i have 200 hopurs on hoi4 too

spent it all playing germany

ur the polar opposite of me

[fair horizon]

Is there a release date for the dlc?

[twin nebula]

I guess I’m being ignored?

[olive remnant]

why spacemarines banned in MP? dont they get peirced easily?

[mystic nest]

brazil

[pale flare]

pretty good considering i dont have tanks

[molten forge]

i have bosphorus dlc

[mystic nest]

greece is fun

bulgaria can be really strong but ive played them once

[molten forge]

bulgaria op

[mystic nest]

yeah ive heard that

[molten forge]

turkey confusing asf

[mystic nest]

beautiful

[mystic nest]

nah just let the kurds start a civil war i think

then wipe them out

not sure if its the fastest way

[molten forge]

i guess ima try return of the kaiser

[timber laurel]

is it theoritically speaking possible to buy all of the world with the east india company?

[molten forge]

btw do you have the dlc for argentina

[mystic nest]

BRAZILLLLL

favourite south american country by far

[twin nebula]

Can ANYONE HELP ME PLZ

[strong umbra]

how?

[strong umbra]

u can core the world with anarchist spain

[twin nebula]

Wdym how

[strong umbra]

should you?

no

its hell

[molten forge]

wanna mp ig and though the in game chat i can try help

i cant vc rn

[strong umbra]

lemme mp with u

no vc

yes or no?

[molten forge]

no vc

[strong umbra]

yes no vc

[pale flare]

😟

[molten forge]

you host or i host

[strong umbra]

i have all dlc

[molten forge]

alr

[strong umbra]

wait one sec

lemme quickly start up my game

[strong umbra]

lets go dms aight?

[molten forge]

alr

[strong umbra]

cuz its easier

[heavy vigil]

2 if lucky

[mystic nest]

wait really?

i might need to try that lmao

[strong umbra]

its not fun

u get .8 pp per day

u need 150 to core one state

[twin nebula]

Not really a fan of MP I’m gonna be so real when I wanna get back into this game without getting my arse kicked meaning staying Singleplayer but I also really want Alt Hist Germany/Japan meaning I’d need the DLCs and I probably just missed a sale on them :/

I’m just asking for help

[pale flare]

oh hey new flag

[maiden verge]

ASEAN in nordic alliance, sounds about right

[obsidian sigil]

2779 factories

seems about right

[smoky roost]

uhh how do i design good ships i didnt know that they added man the guns to the base game

[strong umbra]

u wanna see a good ship desig

n?

[smoky roost]

sure

[smoky roost]

okay thanks

[azure palm]

I dont recommend using super heavy battleships, but this thing is gonna shred anything

except submarines

build destroyers for them

[strong umbra]

nah trust super heavy battleships will shred everything including subs

jokes besides theyre actually good provided you support them properly

[azure palm]

yeah I obliterated the british fleet with them

they had like 20 destroyers in the end and 4 subs

[strong umbra]

10 of these without any support beat the entire British navy

[azure palm]

then you can also build 30

like I did

and obliterate the japanese, british and american navy at the same time

[jade ore]

why did the ai just explode and make decently accurate africa

[mystic nest]

Wait i deadass cant find spain

[azure palm]

they sometimes do that when the british defeat the french

[jade ore]

apart from tunisia egypt israel jordan sudan somalia basically the north east / middle east

[mystic nest]

where is spain

[jade ore]

the french are still alive though

[azure palm]

spain isnt there

[mystic nest]

wtf

oh

[jade ore]

you click other countries

[azure palm]

yes, but the british liberate

[jade ore]

then go click spain

[mystic nest]

but they ahve a focus tree?

right

why did they put a country with a dedicated focus tree outside the main country selection list

[jade ore]

ah wait i didnt see them cap lol mb

[azure palm]

they, theyre just not intresting

[mystic nest]

oh

[jade ore]

more interesting than afghanistan 🥀

[azure palm]

better question, whats that quality

[jade ore]

or random overlord country '57

[azure palm]

exactly

[jade ore]

wdym

[azure palm]

who wants to play spain?

[azure palm]

I can count the pixels on that picture

[jade ore]

wdym exactly, afghanistan is literally there but spain isnt

[jade ore]

idk why its so buns

i do turn my settings down to make recording quicker i guess

[azure palm]

same

[delicate flax]

the same amount of people that want to play non-aligned

[mystic nest]

Someone said anarchist spain can core everything

how exactly do I do that

[azure palm]

ahhh

[azure palm]

I thinks its a focus

[jade ore]

and the map mod might be making the names look worse idk

[mystic nest]

i searhced up core but only 2 things came up

[azure palm]

I guess

[mystic nest]

none of which gave cores

[azure palm]

maybe try a tutorial explaining it?

[mystic nest]

i did theres no tutorial specificaly explaining this

[jade ore]

dont you unlock their tree when you pick them in the civil war or do they all share the same tree

[azure palm]

https://hoi4.paradoxwikis.com/Republican_Spain maybe look here?

[azure palm]

yes and no. You see the entire tree at the start, then choose what you want to play

[jade ore]

ah alr

[strong umbra]

u need la resistance btw

[azure palm]

but they only get the tree with la resistance I think

[strong umbra]

for Spain focus tree

[azure palm]

exactly

[strong umbra]

there is still Spanish civil war without

its just default focus tree

and its just a pop up

[misty fossil]

me looking at people who dont have la resistance

[twin nebula]

I’m so confused on what to do

[misty fossil]

oh shit there

theres a jumpscare

[quaint girder]

I have conquered the world

Not doing that again

[jade ore]

ok then win against germany on the hardest difficulty and buff them with the custom settings slider as luxembourg

[quaint girder]

Thats a whole different animal

I didnt win with lasting skill of that sort