hoi4-general

[faint juniper]

@regal river

Password brotato

[safe wing]

Uh Sealion is hard now

Like the UK prioritizes the home islands

[void harbor]

That’s good

It used to be ridiculous easy

[safe wing]

I remember

[void harbor]

It would make the German campaign more fun to not sea lion lol

Well.. depends I guess

[safe wing]

I swear they had 200 divs in the isles in 1941 in my HRE campaign

[void harbor]

But I’m glad they buffed UK ai

[void harbor]

Dang

That’s more like it

Do they still leave the channel open?

I always wonder if real life Britain should have baited Hitler and left the channel open so they could gain a foothold and then bring in the royal navy to cut off the entire army

[safe wing]

It varies in my experience but thats because I try to get a foothold asap

[azure walrus]

Oktan unification progress

just beat Finland and Kirpichnikov's Northern Russian Republic, as well as the Ural Republic of Dragunov

[maiden verge]

I didn't know you could unify Russia with Moskowien

[azure walrus]

not with that spirit you cant

im just trying to break tno

and conquer all of Russia as Oktan's moskowien

specifically him because he gets a compliance gain buff

[violet veldt]

I was playing a zombie

Zombie mod*

Why did they have so much org

Imagine fighting with tanks against those things

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

Spartakist will eventually fight soviets i believe

[maiden verge]

Last time I played zombie mod I just used their strategy against them

overrun them

Its the only thing you can do though, with that so much org and speed

[dusky burrow]

i mean they're zombies

[violet veldt]

50,000 org is crazy

[dusky burrow]

They run out of HP eventually though

[woven gate]

just took down Japan and Germany by 9/17/43

[dusky burrow]

You can probably mechwall them out of existence

Or special forces wall

[woven gate]

t'was speedrunning this shit

[woven gate]

40 width Heavy Tanks are scary

[heady bison]

hows the new beta patch?

[dusky burrow]

don't do 40w though

[woven gate]

it works for me

and i can afford it

[dusky burrow]

well, don't do 40w if you're going through jungles or forests

or mountains, or marshes

if you're going through plains, desert, hills, and urban, you'll be fine but still you don't have much flexibility in terms of terrain

[woven gate]

it worked fine in forests for me

i'd just avoid Heavy Tanks in Jungles and go for Infantry SOF like Marines

[dusky burrow]

the problem is that you only have one heavy tank in that forest battle

[spark spruce]

how do i find a port for a hamachi server?

[dusky burrow]

which is bad since that means you can't reinforce that heavy tank

and you're also 33% below the combat width cap

[woven gate]

this is complex

[dusky burrow]

40w is just on the edge between acceptable and extremely questionable

[woven gate]

i did it for higher org

to be honest

[dusky burrow]

what's your tank template btw

[woven gate]

like 8 heavies and 12 mech

[dusky burrow]

how about 8 heavies and 11 mech

[woven gate]

i had 6 and they wrecked the germans

[woven gate]

that'd make the width like 38

or 37

someone told me that odd numbers are bad and i've ran with it ever since

[dusky burrow]

No they're fine

Because the only discontinuities happen when you exceed combat width by 33%

60 * 1.33 / 2 = 39.9

[woven gate]

so there's gotta be a balance between bringing more troops and having similar combat width

[woven gate]

shit i should've paid attention in math class

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, that's the only major discontinuity when dealing with forests

Otherwise it's basically a more or less continuous distribution

[woven gate]

it'd just murder anything in fromt of it, regardless

[dusky burrow]

38 width would do slightly worse at pure stats than 37 width but you will save slightly more equipment that way

[woven gate]

40k Americans for 1.2m Germans is good

[dusky burrow]

likewise 39 width would have slightly less combat stats for saving more equipment in battle

[woven gate]

i'm playing the US, i can just pump out infinite equipment

[dusky burrow]

yeah I'm told the US often does go 36-width because they need stats more than they need to save equipment in battles, but that's against Axis mech walling

I still think saving more equipment when you have 1100+ soft attack is worth considering

[woven gate]

i usually play sp because i'm shy

so ig it doesn't matter

i'll try 36 though

i had 2 versions of inf too

[dusky burrow]

also

you tend not to even have odd numbers

because tanks are 2-width battalions and mech are 2-width battalions

so where's your odd numbers

[woven gate]

just 9 inf with support companies (i like Logistics and Field Hospitals)

[dusky burrow]

also it's better to be overwidth than underwidth

[woven gate]

i had 9 inf 3 art too

[woven gate]

i guess i'm just freaking out about nothing, then

[dusky burrow]

yeah

that's the reason why odd combat widths are bad, it's that if you do have an odd combat width you should probably double check youreslf

most of the time it's a non-issue since 35.2 width tank divisions are still effective, for instance

[woven gate]

i did use Large Unit Tactics to great effect as Japan

[dusky burrow]

but since you want to be below 50 * 1.33 / 2 = 33.25 in mountains, if you're finding yourself at 33.4, be careful

[woven gate]

i tried it again as France and it was alright, but i prefer Assault Infantry

[woven gate]

alright this adds a whole other dimension to this

[azure walrus]

rk moskowien? nah

reichsstaat russland

or probably just Russian National State

because they are neither german-led nor german subject

[woven gate]

that's a bit more than moscow

[dusky burrow]

if you don't really care about mountains or marshes then well you don't need to consider it

[azure walrus]

i decided to try and conquer russia as oktan's moskowien because I saw that he gets a compliance buff

[woven gate]

i forgot you can play the RKs in TNO

i just always play the US because i love being the Hero in every game

[woven gate]

that's what Mountaineers are for

[maiden verge]

Principality of Moscow but TNO

[graceful kettle]

absolutely beautiful borders 🤤

[graceful kettle]

i never got the point of rks

cause they don’t have cores either

i guess they saveyou some manpower

[astral forum]

Delete this save immediately. This cannot be allowed to exist any longer.

[graceful kettle]

but like

[heavy vigil]

theyre useless

[graceful kettle]

no wait for the best part…

[azure walrus]

ts is tno

therefore the point of rks is to play as them and unify russia

[graceful kettle]

2 japanese chinas 😈

and british and american china 💔

[graceful kettle]

i lowkey forgot about that mod it’s been so long 💔

[azure walrus]

since ive last seen my son behind this monster

the man behind the slaughter

[maiden verge]

What type of unequal treaties is this

[graceful kettle]

it’s beautiful

soviet civil war still going on in 1945 as well 😭

[opal nymph]

Have you considered larp?

[heavy vigil]

in my game the soviets have capped for the second time

idk if theyll make a comeback through their allies again but its kind of unlikely

tho the US is like low manpower brasil/uk/france arent so

[opal nymph]

Doesnt the US get a lot of manpower buffs?

[heavy vigil]

well yeah but

theyve lost quite a bit

[opal nymph]

US tends to do that in this game

[heavy vigil]

let me load it (even tho it wont show garrison losses in war screen ofc)

[heavy vigil]

whats the highest casualties youve seen the US take in a war

[opal nymph]

4 mil?

I dont tend to have long wars

As i tend to play majors

[heavy vigil]

its a bit higher

[opal nymph]

Or im the US and preserve manpower

Well

That's a lot

Jeez, how much did the world population drop?

[heavy vigil]

the soviets are suffering this is their second war of like annihilation of manpower

this isnt the first mega war

the uk, france, germany and ussr were crippled in a mega war before

as well as minor nations following them ofc

this is the second

[inland falcon]

now you gotta invade manchuria

and then eventually germany

[heavy vigil]

its why the ussr was only able to sustain 31 mil casualties

and germany got rolled

[azure walrus]

Once Muto coup happens and the colonies “assert themselves” or whatever

[inland falcon]

destroy the sphere

[azure walrus]

Muto coup happens in a year, I’ll do it then

I think

I don’t have a pacific fleet so I can’t naval invade Japan

[daring tiger]

question- whats the fastest yall have seen someone beat china?

[heavy vigil]

theyre out because they occupied ussr

[fair horizon]

AUSTRALIA SPOTTED

[dusky burrow]

btw is this meta or no

[mystic nest]

for mios with production efficiency should we alwayus rush prod efficiency before getting the stat buffs?

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[grizzled yarrow]

More deaths than every war combined

[fair horizon]

PARADOX HOW LONG UNTIL AUSTRALIA DLC?

BESTOW UPON ME THIS INFORMATION

[opaque zinc]

Please god kill Ireland

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-you-to-kill-peter-parker-gif-978323220691741168

[cursive oxide]

Can the
Continu the Zuid zee works be reworked from 210 days to 70 ?

Cus 210 days for 1 focus is stupid

[opaque zinc]

Revive the buffer state

[dusky burrow]

probably around 6 months

[fair horizon]

Q2 😢

[dusky burrow]

Yeha

[kind vale]

When is America dlc

[opaque zinc]

@heavy vigil hey you’re a mod right

[sharp sierra]

we saved france

[silk mist]

cold war in 1945

[slim nexus]

Wow the larp is making me overdose ⭐

[sharp sierra]

im larping in my boxers

[iron iron]

Larp 😩😩😩

[vital cove]

probably doable in 1936

but for sure easy to do by 1937

[ripe slate]

Nothing cold about that

[slim nexus]

Let bro crack sigma 🔥

How do i join

[chrome mulch]

dms so probably can't do nothing

[chrome mulch]

not announced yet so unknown

next dlc is Thunder At Our Gates

which is for Australia, Dutch East Indies and British Burma

[inland falcon]

you dont need one

you can cross from korea to japan through a connection

[slim nexus]

Woah

[neon gate]

Ah come on

[proud tapir]

NOOOO! Please tell me they wont nerf it

[brave haven]

You can't beat Germany.

[neon gate]

This guy is tuff

[timid crater]

Fr fr

[brave haven]

You Turkish?

[neon gate]

Nah man

[brave haven]

What are u

[neon gate]

Just got a Turkish name

[neon gate]

Serbian

[brave haven]

Why Turkish name

[neon gate]

My parents just named me like that bro

[brave haven]

Is there any possibility that your mother or father is Turkish?

[neon gate]

Nah but I think I have Turkish ancestors

[brave haven]

Hmm

I'm Kurdish

[neon gate]

Cool

[brave haven]

How many languages do you know?

[neon gate]

About 3

[brave haven]

Which ones?

[shut sigil]

Like 6 or 7

[brave haven]

Wow! What languages do you know?

[shut sigil]

Buddy.....bless your soul

But ik 3: Deutsch/German, Bulgarian and English

[cursive oxide]

LOL I HAVE MORE THAN HITLER

[misty fossil]

base game 🥀

[kind vale]

This is tragic

[fluid zodiac]

Do new hoi4 updates / patches only apply when you have the newest dlc?

[sudden thistle]

He also has 700k manpower

[slender fractal]

no they apply but some features are only accessible with dlc

[cursive oxide]

won the war to

[mellow ibex]

guys what doctrine is best for small countries like denmark?

[ripe slate]

#ask-for-help-here has the meta nerds, personally
grand doctrine -> superior firepower (grand battleplan works too for planning bonus)
infantry -> individual excellence
support -> spg

[mellow ibex]

okay

thx

[heavy rover]

you dont let mr hitler get bohemia and austria tho

[brave haven]

Why did you say "May your soul rest in peace"?

[eternal palm]

Bro still doesn't have 2nd grade reading comprehension 😭

If only he was literate 😔

[coral lantern]

when i launch dowser with millennium dawn installed it keeps crashing even tho the mod version and the game version are compatible

any idea why?

[eternal palm]

Any other mods enabled?

[cursive oxide]

true

[coral lantern]

no

[eternal palm]

Verify game files, reinstall game. Reinstall the mod

[coral lantern]

tried that already

still the same issue

[brave haven]

Don't disrespect me.

[eternal palm]

"wah don't disrespect me wah, my little pea brain can't handle sentences longer than 4 words 😭"

LMAOOOO

That's what you sound like

[slim nexus]

Sorry

[brave haven]

You don't even know me.

[eternal palm]

I do now. Unfortunately

Mr. "I know the Syrian president trust trust"

[brave haven]

Do you think you're funny?

[eternal palm]

Nothing to apologise for

I do think I'm funny

[brave haven]

No, it's not safe.

[eternal palm]

I know you're malding your balls off rn

[brave haven]

No, I'm not angry.

[eternal palm]

Oh right you don't even know what I'm saying

My sentences are too long mb

[brave haven]

I'm translating your message.

[eternal palm]

Lmao

Holy cope

[brave haven]

?

[eternal palm]

[azure walrus]

Muto Akira brings back all the colonial police to oppress the people in Japan. This causes the Sphere puppets to "assert themselves", right? When do they usually start doing that?

[brave haven]

How old are you

[eternal palm]

Too old for you

[mental mantle]

How do I strategically bomb civilian houses and such?

[brave haven]

I am 17

[brave haven]

Produce strategic bomber aircraft.

[viscid stirrup]

How would you know how someone sounds like

When youre talking to them on discord

Without vc

[brave haven]

He's talking without knowing those people.

[viscid stirrup]

Maybe its because he doesnt speak english and is translating everything

I sure mazlumbey has 10th grade reading comprehension in his own language

[eternal palm]

That's not a thing in hoi. Decidely so

Pdx is not gonna let you commit war crimes

[mental mantle]

I want to reduce luxembourg’s population to 1

Because I want to build mils

[eternal palm]

Yea no

That's not how that works

[viscid stirrup]

CreepageDE geniunely just started bullying someone because of a mistranslation

[mental mantle]

Its ok , I forgive

[viscid stirrup]

Bullying is only fun for the bully. Have you ever thought that there are different perspectives in the world that differ from yours?

[shut sigil]

I didn't

I said bless your soul

[viscid stirrup]

Its a mistranslation

[shut sigil]

Fair enough

[viscid stirrup]

This person speaks kurdish

[shut sigil]

W name btw

[shut sigil]

Idk how to feel about that message lol

[mental mantle]

It is a dialect of Romanian

[viscid stirrup]

I didnt know that

[shut sigil]

You mean Roman/Latin?

[brave haven]

Why did you say that?

[viscid stirrup]

Its supposed to have a positive meaning

[mental mantle]

No from Bucharest
||I am just kidding in make it up||

[shut sigil]

Because you don't know of* the least fun meme in ever

[shut sigil]

Fair enough 😂

[mental mantle]

Because it is true

@brave haven Are you a robot?

[brave haven]

No

[shut sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/john-mulaney-i-smell-a-robot-prove-prove-youre-not-a-robot-gif-15636541

[mental mantle]

Your profile picture appears to have semblance of artificial intelligence, and your biography is written in strange, foreign runes

[gleaming iron]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-keaton-tea-gif-11399815

[viscid stirrup]

Duckie mccluck said he knew 6 or 7 languages, a reference to the 6-7 meme. Then he said bless your soul after realizing you dont know about 6-7, as 6-7 is often associated with brainrot or corruption

[brave haven]

My profile and bio contain humorous content.

[mental mantle]

Acknowledged

I have uploaded it to my database

[shut sigil]

Uh huh

[brave haven]

You might not understand that humor.

[shut sigil]

We don't understand what it says let alone the humor

[brave haven]

joke

Means

I can't understand your jokes, and you can't understand mine.

.

What do you think?

[wooden agate]

Hey everyone I am doing a video on Kaisereich, I want to ask the HOI4 community, if there was one criticism you would want in a HOI4 video about KR, what would it be

[hollow silo]

some focus tree r quite outdated

[eternal palm]

Too complicated to be fun. It has reached a point, as Germany specifically, where you juggle 4 different minigames at the same time and it's overwhelming at first and simply annoying once you know how to do it. I'd rather have a good tree that's rather simple, rathee than outsourcing that to the decision tree

I only have that criticism with Germany though, so idk how much that applies to the mod as a whole

Oh and what they did with the MIOs on Russia. Overcomplicated and mostly useless

[wooden agate]

Isnt the germany minigames able to automated just wondering

[eternal palm]

I would've liked it more if they kept that more vanilla

[wooden agate]

Black monday can be turned off

[eternal palm]

How?

[eternal palm]

Wait what 💀

Wdym

[wooden agate]

Mitteleuropa is automated

[wooden agate]

Its a gamerule

[eternal palm]

No fking way

[hollow silo]

if it turned off u have to wait til 1939

[eternal palm]

That's so stupid

[wooden agate]

Ireland minigame can be automated by a decision

[eternal palm]

Yea that's 2

[wooden agate]

yes but turns out by data collection most players take until 1940 to fix 🤣

[eternal palm]

But what about the party politics, what about the rheinkampf

[wooden agate]

Thats true

[hollow silo]

doing the focus tree will shorten it to 1938

[eternal palm]

Like I get having 1 minigame. Not 3

It's too much

That's basically it. Minigames and Russian mios

[wooden agate]

From my interviews w the KR team this was intentional for germany only

[eternal palm]

Good.

[wooden agate]

as they wanted to make germany very stressful

[eternal palm]

Insane

Yea lets make the game not fun to play as the main character

Solid design decision

[zenith charm]

1 day before ceasefire

[wooden agate]

Im pretty sure most of the minigames are turned offable anyways

[wooden agate]

I honestly think Germany is the main character of HOI4

[eternal palm]

Then why have them in the first place?

[wooden agate]

Ruhrkampf is something though

good point

[eternal palm]

Like, if you have the option. Why even Code it like that

[wooden agate]

I think IMO they want to simulate a stressful germany game but also knew people like you wouldnt want to play it so they give the automation options

Mitteleuropa is automatable btw

[eternal palm]

Either have it and balance it with all the other stuff you have to do, or don't have them at all. But Dont overcomplicate it and then give the option to just ignore it

[eternal palm]

I know it is

[eternal palm]

People like me? Bruh. Hoi is stressful enough as a powerful country with all the stuff you have to juggle. Minigames don't help that

U already have so much stuff to do. I don't wanna play sp with. 2 spreadsheets

[wooden agate]

I see

[eternal palm]

Having the option to opt out gives the incentive to not engage with mechanics you coded. Is that what you want?

[wooden agate]

about the party politics and the ruhrkampf mechanics

are they usually stressful because of the Schleicher path?

my understanding is that if you are not going schleicher its quite easy

[eternal palm]

Schleicher adds to it yes

[wooden agate]

Right so would you say it wouldnt be too stresful if it was non-schleicher

Btw just spoke to a KR coder on your feedback

they said it was fair criticism

[wooden agate]

China looks good

[eternal palm]

It's probably fine. Still too many minigames. Assume that I don't turn on automatic BM

Because that's simply dumb

Not engaging with intended mechanics is stupid

It's clearly balanced around doing them asap

[hollow silo]

china is decent currently
to be specifically,the focus tree of commune france britain union and austria are being declined

[wooden agate]

Aside from germany, would you say everything else is alright

[eternal palm]

Russian MIOs. Otherwise fine

[wooden agate]

Alright, overrall out of 10 would you rate KR

[eternal palm]

8/10 very little complaints, extremely well made mod, is basically a mainstay in the hoi community

[wooden agate]

Btw the russian MIO's do not really reflect the stuff

[wooden agate]

Good to hear!

[eternal palm]

Reflect what?

[wooden agate]

Reflect the entire KR team

I think thats just a specific devs work

[eternal palm]

Why make MIO the avenue of interaction. You have decisions for that.

[eternal palm]

Oh alr. Good to know

Because I'm really not a fan

[wooden agate]

Good good

Thats good

[lofty idol]

Yo

[viscid stirrup]

You mean soviet MIOs?

[lofty idol]

is there any available multiplayer server\

[mellow ibex]

guys

i usually play medium tanks w big countries

if im playing Sweden and don't have the industry for it what do i use instead

is just motorized infantry and artillery decent?

[eternal palm]

Nah

Make inf

Make air

Done

Tanks are more of a suggestion

And artillery just sucks

[mellow ibex]

sweden doesn't get manpower

i usually use tanks so i don't have to just send 5 million men to their death

and also cuz tanks r fun

[iron iron]

What do yall reckon

Is the hardest hoi4

Acheivment

[eternal palm]

The tannu Tuva one. Legit no idea how I would even begin to do that

Any other is very doable. Even HAS

[iron iron]

Isn’t to their one

To capitulate uk as a British puppet or Iceland

[eternal palm]

Iceland has a tree that's very strong

Tannu Tuva has nothing

[eternal palm]

And raj is pretty powerful now so it's easy too

[iron iron]

Cod wars

[iron iron]

Bro

[eternal palm]

Again, Iceland has a tree

Tannu Tuva doesn't

[iron iron]

Does Iceland Deadass

Have a custom tree

[eternal palm]

Yes?

AAT adds it

[iron iron]

Ikik that is harder

I’m just sayin

Cod wars is hard

[iron iron]

Vanilla

[eternal palm]

You asked for hardest

Ofc it's hard

[eternal palm]

Then you shouldn't even be able to do the achievement lol

[iron iron]

What do I have to do as Tannu Tuva

[eternal palm]

U have to form siberia

Aka kill the Soviet Union

[iron iron]

What

[eternal palm]

Before Germany does because it's even stronger

[eternal palm]

Yes.

[iron iron]

The

gng 😢

That’s crazy

What the sigma

[heavy vigil]

generic tree better than iceland tree tbh

[eternal palm]

Actually?

Don't u get like 50% attack

[heavy vigil]

tho iceland gets good buffs you have no manpower to use it and no research buffs

[eternal palm]

U don't have manpower anyway

[heavy vigil]

gun 3 over gun 1

for generic

+400 extra weekly mp

where iceland has to choose +50% attack or communist for manpower

unless you flip through strikes which is pain lmao

like yeah fascism gives crazy attack but no manpower to actually make divisions

and you have no research buffs to get good equipment

so its kinda ass

industry debuffs too

its worse with NCNS

you need to spend more time getting ships

[iron iron]

But like

Cod wars is also crazy 2

[manic iris]

guys how do i get special forces

[heavy vigil]

this is fine

really easy on historical ai since you know youll have germany

not hard on ahist since ussr just explodes itself half the time

[eternal palm]

But u still have to get war score to annex all of this

Do u really think it's that easy

[heavy vigil]

its SIBERIA

it takes like no points

[eternal palm]

Germany takes all

[heavy vigil]

ofc its a bit of work but compared to like

[eternal palm]

They will contest u

[heavy vigil]

hardest archievements

just war ASAP and youll farm a lot of score just fighting in your mountains

[heavy vigil]

like you have to do some work to unify siberia ofc

but it isnt like world conquest or anything

you have just 1 enemy you can spend all game fighting

its not like nothing ever sevres which is actually a bit tricky/difficult from having to fight all majors

[vital cove]

just use puppet manpower

[heavy vigil]

youre ICELAND

its about getting started

[vital cove]

yes and? doesn't stop you from killing france or the Netherlands

[heavy vigil]

on fascism you get like a trillion non core pop anyway

just making the initial army is hard

[heavy vigil]

having access to like 1 mil does

iceland SUCKS

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[heavy vigil]

and id know because ive played it a few times

[eternal palm]

Fighting all majors 🥱

At least u have potential

U can core so much

Tannu Tuva has nothing

HAS is just tedious

Not hard if you know what youre doing

[heavy vigil]

thats how mosr archievements go tjo

theyre usually not particularly impossible

[eternal palm]

Tannu Tuva can be straight up impossible when u are unlucky

[heavy vigil]

i liked the no one crosses the finnish line one

because its supposedly super hard but i got it by like going afk

a lot of archievements are just tedious and require unmodded ironmanbto get

but a lot are not like, that hard, tricky at worst, imo

and tannu tuva is just straight forward imo

[wary dove]

how cooked is this

[eternal palm]

Not at all

U still have units

Maybe update your orders

And draw arrows

[bold bloom]

Hi

[hollow silo]

what template are u using

[eternal palm]

Sup

[eternal palm]

Templates are rarely the issue

His orders are just bad

[bold bloom]

what?

[eternal palm]

And army org is shit

[eternal palm]

What's up

It's a greeting

[bold bloom]

A sorry, my inglish is not good

[eternal palm]

You're fine

[wary dove]

167 divisions encircled 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

this always happens to me

[eternal palm]

💀

[bold bloom]

👍

[eternal palm]

How

[orchid lily]

Hey just started a new playthrough, haven't played since before the new ncns dlc and I saw people saying that doing naval invasions is way harder now, i am planning to naval invade Britain, in what way is it harder?

[safe wing]

I’ve known the Sup greeting since 2007 thanks to a bionicle stop motion

[eternal palm]

It's not harder

Naval supremacy works different know

Strike force doesn't give supremacy, you need ships on patrol now

And then strike force

[eternal palm]

Idk even remember where I got it

Then again I don't know how I learned English so

I just woke up one day and spoke it perfectly

[safe wing]

Interesting

[wary dove]

I dont know if im using the front lines wrong, I usually put seperate army groups along the german border so there are two seperate front lines along each half of the border but it seems to keep messing up because as soon as I start losing land the front line expands itself bigger and units keep moving miles away because of cohesion

Idk why my units keep doing this

[eternal palm]

Bruh you keep shift clicking random tiles

And yea set cohesion a bit lower

And draw some arrows

[eternal palm]

When in doubt, press h

For halt

[hollow silo]

atp restart

[stiff fjord]

i think it would be better if u used the fallback lines

[warped flint]

Are you on service by requirement? thats a bit of manpower

[wary dove]

extensive conscription

[warped flint]

just try to hold major citys, pretty sure you can get war support and stability for doing that, fall back from all the weird salients

just wait for an allied naval invasion of italy or something

[wary dove]

is it worth putting support AT and AA on every infantry division? (I saw enemy germany put about 40% of his factores on armoured vehicles and ~30% on aircraft), my inf divs are usually 22 width but I get large unit tactics doctrine to reduce that

[eternal palm]

AI makes awful tank divs

[stiff fjord]

aa ofc not at tho

[eternal palm]

They can be pierced by aa

Aa is all you need

[serene breach]

this would work

[lost dawn]

I tend to use something like this. But then again. I am silly.

[mortal solstice]

Eh don’t use line arti

[lost dawn]

I could swear that was a legitimate strat

[eternal palm]

Oh god

[eternal palm]

Yea like 5 years ago maybe

[mortal solstice]

Can someone like

[eternal palm]

Or better yet at game launch lmao

[lost dawn]

It works for me

[mortal solstice]

Pin the message of the guy saying

Line arti isn’t good

[eternal palm]

Doesn't mean it cant be better

Hoi isnt hard

A lot of things work

[lost dawn]

[mortal solstice]

You’re against AI tho

I’ve spammed 10 widths and still won against AI

org wall brrr

[lost dawn]

I mean... it pushes. And since I barely use tanks...

I produce them sure. But I never make tank divisions.

[mortal solstice]

If you have the ic to make enough arti and at for line you have enough to make tanks

[lost dawn]

I make tanks

[mortal solstice]

I wouldn’t expect anybody to use line arti unless it’s rlly early game

[lost dawn]

I just never make the divisions for them

[mortal solstice]

That’s like the only time it’s useful

Or you’re playing TFB

[wary dove]

im playing with modded ai unfortunately so their tank divs are good (they put huge armour heavy tanks mixed with mediums even with the 2nd AT gun in 1940 my divisons dont get full pen usually)

[mortal solstice]

TFB is where arti is useful

[eternal palm]

Then still no and make tanks of your own

[lost dawn]

TBF?

[eternal palm]

What mod are you using

[mortal solstice]

Do uk how their tank divs look?

[eternal palm]

Sheep mod?

[wary dove]

Yeah

[mortal solstice]

If it’s sheep’s mod it’s a diff story

Oh

[eternal palm]

Oh god

[mortal solstice]

Gg

[eternal palm]

OK, so, you make heavy tanks, no tds

[mortal solstice]

Just do heavy TD’s

[eternal palm]

Get mech, don't make air, get inf 16w with it aa engi, logi and signal

[eternal palm]

On Russia u need break

Heavy tanks have more

[lost dawn]

I have a question. Btw

[mortal solstice]

Heavy TD’s you get better stats

[lost dawn]

Something that kinda annoys me

[eternal palm]

Attack doenst matter when you don't have break

[lost dawn]

What the hell is this

[eternal palm]

If u can't crit it's gg

[mortal solstice]

True as well

[eternal palm]

I can give u a whole rundown for a build if you're up in like 20 min

[eternal palm]

And since air will be red u need break

[mortal solstice]

There’s a dude that did one on YT if you wanna check it out

[eternal palm]

I don't trust YouTubers to do anything

He calls himself a pro

I did it too

It's simple

[mortal solstice]

No his build was actlly pretty good I agree with what he did

Anybody can do it

That’s why it’s good

[eternal palm]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hgaIttaRMXz5Qo6WYsGJqOCAle5ul4-XyXRFWHr2pos/edit?tab=t.0
Use this in the meantime

[wary dove]

Is making aircraft a complete waste of time as soviets then?

every time the zones are red with like 4k fighters and 2k cas in them at the start of barb 1941 so i figured theres no point trying to contest that anyways

[mortal solstice]

Damn

That’s rlly minmaxy idk if he’s gonna be able to do it

[vital cove]

if you don't have an airforce, always make aa no matter what

its a hard requirement

[mortal solstice]

Yeah do AA

It’s worth

Even one support AA in ur div already reduces air by like

I can’t rmbr the % nvm

[vital cove]

support aa is enough to reach the threshold to reduce cas damage by 75%

so

yea

[mortal solstice]

Yeah that

[grand bear]

Im proud

[eternal palm]

It's the principle mp guide u should use

Nothing is too complicated

If you can't do it yet, time to learn

[mortal solstice]

I mean does he even know what juggling research is

[eternal palm]

Well, if he doesn't, hes gonna learn

[mortal solstice]

Sure

[mortal solstice]

Actlly why doesn’t he say anything abt doing propaganda in this one

[eternal palm]

Well because you only do like 4 in total
high Yield, Hammer, Heroes and one more that I forgot

most of the propagandas are useless

they should be included in the PP picks though

[mortal solstice]

Wait sorry I confused the vanilla focus with the TFB one

[eternal palm]

lmao

GG

[mortal solstice]

Cuz the TFB one father of nations you get core stats

So I was like wtf

[eternal palm]

Oh swep

[mortal solstice]

Why would you not go father of nations

[eternal palm]

Sweep

u do sweep

for 10% core attack

[mortal solstice]

Yeah that’s the propaganda but I mean the focus

[eternal palm]

Takes kinda long

[mortal solstice]

In TFB I think the father of nations gets like

Plus 30%?

Core attack and def

[eternal palm]

Yea but you also get it faster no

[mortal solstice]

It’s insanely good

[eternal palm]

Yea TBF is shit

dont play the mod

Its so dumb

Have your larp

[mortal solstice]

I play MP on it quite a bit tbh

[eternal palm]

I'm so sorry to hear that

[mortal solstice]

🥀🥀

It’s kinda fun tho tbh

[eternal palm]

Sure

Cant say much against that

I just personally despise any non vanilla mp mod

[mortal solstice]

I remember I had a reason for not playing vanilla mp

But for the life of me I can’t rmbr

What it was

[eternal palm]

Play HMM

Pure vanilla sucks ass

But HMM is good

[mortal solstice]

I think I’ve played HMM once

But I wasn’t the main

I was just coop

[quasi osprey]

just a brit and a german fighting on neutral iraq's teritorry

[mortal solstice]

Trust you should play TFB

You see a whole bunch of funny shit

It’s actlly hilarious

[vital cove]

knowledge breaks the chains?

[mortal solstice]

Probably

[eternal palm]

5% research speed, nothing burger

I meant Sweep

Sweep the scum out

[mortal solstice]

Sweep scum out

Yeah

[eternal palm]

I wil not.

I used to.

Hated it. Will not play again.

[mortal solstice]

France Land Cruiser Build 🥀

Didn’t know I would ever see one until a week ago

[tender swift]

Enlightening people I see xD

[eternal palm]

Dudes gotta learn sheep mod

[sudden thistle]

What does it do differently than vanilla

and what does it even stand for 😭

[mortal solstice]

Historical multiplayer mod

[serene breach]

does heavy attack works only on capital ships or works too on screens?

[coral gorge]

It works on screen but damage is reduced

[serene breach]

okay thanks, so its better do op capitals ships with huge heavy attack and support it with screen ships?

[grizzled yarrow]

i still cant win the spannish civil war

sighhhhhhhhhhhhh

[vital cove]

you should do one super heavy battleship with full anti air, and for the rest spam light cruisers with full light atk

[serene breach]

what about carriers

[serene breach]

set your goal

like set goal you want this achivement in this run

i doing it like that

and there is like 250 achivements

wait its 1980 not 2026

[mortal solstice]

Is SHBB still meta ?

I feel like I rmbr SHBB jsut going out of the meta cuz by the time you get them it’s like

Way too late

[vital cove]

yes

[mortal solstice]

Ic ic

Nah the lion goes just torp cruiser spam and gets sunk by any decent Japan player

[misty fossil]

Dont blame you for that

Spanish cw sucks

[misty fossil]

vanilla navy 🥀

[misty fossil]

nah its light cruiser meta

Its always cl meta….

[serene breach]

cheap

[sudden thistle]

Only 20 years to build

[patent thistle]

FEAR THE DUTCH NAVY

[misty fossil]

looks inside
300ic bathtubs

[serene breach]

20? no i have no resources and 1 dockyard so its until 8900

[patent thistle]

see it positively, if you build that thing, you are never loosing another engagement ever again. because everyone is already dead.

[serene breach]

yes

Prometheus

but this navy is quiet impressive as albania and for non navy user

well.....

atleast for me

[patent thistle]

germany did not expect that early western front

welp, rip admiral hipper

[serene breach]

if they gonna hit it i gonna lose it

[grizzled yarrow]

I know but i rlly like spain

And i wanna learn how to win the civil war

[mortal solstice]

The real joke comes when the light cruiser spam manages to kill someone who built an actual navy

[misty fossil]

Dont believe it until it happens

[mortal solstice]

No you should believe until it happens

[misty fossil]

Also “actual navy” can either mean a real meta navy or some slapstick patchwork fleet

I just play modded navy anyway

[mortal solstice]

Kinda depends

I’ve seen ppl in TFB that build actual navy’s with like carriers screens etc

[grizzled yarrow]

Yall any strategies on winning the spanish cw

[mortal solstice]

Which side

[grizzled yarrow]

Falangist

[mortal solstice]

The nationalist side?

[grizzled yarrow]

Yeah

[mortal solstice]

Day 1 Spanish civil war pause the game

And just attack everything

And go for Madrid

Italy and Germany should send volunteers to help you as well

And do the decisions to remove the thingy that reduces attack

Spanish civil war it’s rlly impt that you be the one to attack day 1, don’t be defending so if you can just pause micro

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmm

[sharp ginkgo]

i like

genuinely hate this game

[serene breach]

not ENOUGH TO SUNK THIS ENEMY CONVOY

i know its cruiser but its convoy bc its useless for them

[eternal palm]

Cursed

[serene breach]

okay this is cursed

[void thicket]

can anyone help with great war redux everytime i want to launch the mod it crashes

[serene breach]

this gonna be fun

[patent thistle]

sad dönitz noises

[trim lotus]

Impressive. Four infantry divisions, in peacetime, literally on a supply hub, and a blizzard still turns the supply situation so dire that they start taking attrition.

[celest dirge]

Are we have a civil war in modding community?

Like suddenly many videos to glaze mod got upload, and reddit also exploded

[serene breach]

i know i know convoy raiding with capital ships is wrong but hey its fun XDDD

[trim lotus]

If there's over 103 convoys in a single group, I say "bring out Third Fleet and tell Halsey to go to town.

[serene breach]

its chinese convoys

so its normal it is in large numbers like humans

imagine be naval invanded by albania at this distance

[ember vine]

I hate japan

[serene breach]

well that suck

[ember vine]

Japan is the worst nation in this game

[vital cove]

?

[ember vine]

9 infantry divisions
3 kinds of support infantry, engineers, cavalry scouts, 80 divisions in europe while they are fighting soviets not even me
...And they beat me with some shit

How

I hate japan

[vital cove]

sounds like a skill issue

[patent thistle]

i might have underestimated what germany chould shit out at times

[woven dragon]

Don’t you hate it when Albanian’s invade the USA

[ember vine]

No because there is no way they beat me and cause so much division attrition

How does this happen

[serene breach]

usa has 2k divisions but AI cant use it xDDDD

no resistance

[ember vine]

I have Romania on my side as 80 div Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth and they keep naval invading me through the black sea and theres nothing i can do to stop them

I wish japan never existed

[trim lotus]

How does hardness impact garrison damage? Is it worthwhile to change to an armored division template for one high-resistance province (Moscow)?

[patent thistle]

its never worth using armor divisions for garrison, if you are so badly dealing with resistance do armored cars with Military Police since they have quite large suppression

[woven dragon]

Don’t you worry, my troops will be there

[serene breach]

i hate this game

BRO THEY DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR 50 YEARS

[patent thistle]

WHY DID YOU SO PERFECTLY COME NOW-

[serene breach]

he missclicked

[patent thistle]

ah yes, stalin trading with the monarchy

the classic

[vital cove]

why can you declare war but don't have a war goal

cheating smh

[serene breach]

they keep dying for nothing and still get US mainland

[vital cove]

kill them

[patent thistle]

i left allowdiplo for a bit on due to wanting a non agression pact with the soviets (world tension is only 20 for some god dam reason while ww2 is litterally ongoing)

[serene breach]

i cant

i have 60 divisions

and im in this situation

[vital cove]

get more?

[serene breach]

how

[vital cove]

use puppet manpower?

[patent thistle]

why did you have to butcher lithuania like that-

[serene breach]

i dont have puppet and i cant even make puppets

[serene breach]

i wanted do that but i cant

oh wait i have chance

they run out of manpower and lost 700 division

[slim nexus]

Lithunistria

[patent thistle]

eh that KD is fine.

[slim nexus]

Haha italy is being coward

[patent thistle]

nah they are hard coded to not join until like late 1939

ah yes stalin helping the monarchy in need

[slim nexus]

Soon americans and soviets will be fighting side by side in benelux

[sharp ginkgo]

still haven't managed to capitulate the US again btw

ww2 is over and these mfs are still kickign in honolulu

[patent thistle]

the german strenght bars btw are not existing rn

oh yeah btw i dont know why poland did that but it seems to have helped-

counter attack has begun

[ember vine]

Japan is the most annoying ass country in hoi4

[safe wing]

In Asia

The most annoying country is the UK in Europe

Or the USA

[heavy vigil]

has to be germany imo

[safe wing]

True

But I’m playing Italy a lot rn

And I’m joining the Axis

[mellow ibex]

why can't i produce any??

[sudden thistle]

Do u have steel

[mellow ibex]

yes

no resource shortages of anything

[patent thistle]

this screams incirclement

rip the german navy

[leaden wraith]

im gonna have a talk with the newspaper delivery guy, why did he send me a room worth of "Ethiopian Mlitary Administration of the Horn of Africa has capitulated" newspapers

[heavy vigil]

uncertain times

[patent thistle]

you know its bad if germany is collapsing before italy was able to join the war-

[safe wing]

I have a new Democratic Italy plan

[patent thistle]

i hard carried this war. ignore the french kills cause they are stolen from my pockets

[sage lantern]

Can hansen stop f meat riding all the drama and stfu?

[safe wing]

What the is going on with hoi4 tube at this point

Just curious because I’m not paying attention to it

[sage lantern]

The f schizo keeps f hating and yapping

He is atacking tfr because its apperantly liked by "chuds"

[warped flint]

what nation should I play and what path

[safe wing]

Italy Democratic king

Trust me it’s a good path

[sage lantern]

The guy attacks hoi4 youtubers, he attack hoi4 mods, he attacks hoi4 itself, who tf is this guy???

[safe wing]

No civil war via the balance of power mechanic @warped flint

[warped flint]

ill look at it

[safe wing]

Plus you get all the fascist war goals and can still form Rome

[warped flint]

I have never formed rome before

[safe wing]

I did as them

[sage lantern]

@safe wing does hansen have a dc?

[safe wing]

I don’t pay attention to drama

So I don’t know

And nor do I care

[sage lantern]

All the drama riding is crazy

Alr bb

[safe wing]

Anyways I’m at work and I have to meet my goal so I can get paid in the equivalent of one hoi4 dlc per hour in terms of money in my hourly wage

[split bane]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rI9O6UXkCjvTG

[patent thistle]

orange germany is real

[neat kayak]

how do i make the japanese puppets rise up?

what focus

i am invading the raj

but it's not doing anything

[lethal ether]

i think its in the focus tree

[neat kayak]

found it

historical japan is so much fun

[safe wing]

Democratic King Italy is fun prove me wrong

[lethal ether]

ure wrong

[safe wing]

How

[lethal ether]

you just are

[safe wing]

I can’t have a civil war and still form Rome and greater Italy the European Union even

[lethal ether]

well just because something is good doesnt mean its fun

[safe wing]

And I can still get war goals on all countries that fascist Italy gets

[safe wing]

Have you tried it?

[lethal ether]

ok maybe that wasnt a good gif

ill find another

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[sharp ginkgo]

so i found out why i haven't gotten the austria-hungary restored achievement

you need POLISH LAND

[lethal ether]

it was the yellow head guy so

[safe wing]

I would recommend the path

[sharp ginkgo]

NO-ONE TOLD ME THIS

[lethal ether]

ill try it sometime

[sharp ginkgo]

in this save i would have to go up against russia, germany, spain, the japanese, and the siamese?? apparently????

[safe wing]

I even joined the Axis before I became Democratic and Hitler was okay with it

[sharp ginkgo]

those are just the majors

[lethal ether]

i think its because italy actually did something

[safe wing]

Get rid of the Bald man

[lethal ether]

true

[safe wing]

I’m gonna make a guide for how I play it

[lethal ether]

make one

[neat kayak]

Japan or Germany who looks more frightening? :)))

i didn't attack the USA bc i want the economic miracle then a final showdown

[grizzled yarrow]

still sooooo late

[warped flint]

is 1937 germany easy to kill as soviets

[grizzled yarrow]

it needs alot of micro managing

but its not too hard

ok now

how do i recore my land

nvm found out

[warped flint]

holy shit

[heavy vigil]

no ports queued up yet

[night wasp]

republic of railways

[azure walrus]

Austrailia 🔥🔥

[heavy vigil]

its mostly missiles and nuclear bombs but also those

[warped flint]

got 2 achievements

nice

[warped flint]

I just battleplanned

no micro

[mellow ibex]

how do i break them

[daring tiger]

Really? I thought the wars earliest start was in February of 1937 (at least in the new patch). Reason I ask is cause I was able to defeat them in May and wanted to see how much more it can be optimized

[strong umbra]

any tips im just kinda stalemated rn nothing is moving on my lines

[stone lodge]

Bruh they update the ugunskrusts divisions for Latvia, but can't be even bothered to spell-check the name 😭

dafuq is an ugon, that's not even a word

[grizzled yarrow]

yall

how do i trick the uk into leaving theyr ports undefended

[daring tiger]

fight them earlier

[grizzled yarrow]

its 1940 sob

[daring tiger]

or just ream them in dover

[grizzled yarrow]

ream?

[daring tiger]

also how did we make it to 1940 bro 😭

this like your first time or smth?

[grizzled yarrow]

im playing spain

[daring tiger]

oh 💀

good luck brother

godspeed

thats all i gotta say

i thought we were on germany

[grizzled yarrow]

berally beat the civil war by mid 38

orl ate 38 ig

[daring tiger]

ok your at least nationalist

i did this as the carlists like a month ago

ok well were the directory nvm

umm

ngl

i dont have much experience in spain so its hard for me to help you other than just... make more troops ig lol?

yea no ive only ever done a carlist run and by the end of sea lion i had 3 armies- and i was still struggling

(really like 2.5 but who gives a shit)

[grizzled yarrow]

yeah but i got germany

[neat kayak]

What is midway?

[daring tiger]

brother thats like saying you got monopoly money when trying to pay rent

they never help

best case scenario germany and italy send a combined 4 soldiers

well i mean if it helps

[neat kayak]

Churchill might be sweating

[daring tiger]

what i did personally was (as carlists again i have no experience in the directory) was rush war goals on france and the benelux and THEN continue with the rest of the tree- if your lucky youll core 1 state cause the rest of your guns are going towards the army, i mean either way you wont be able to actually start coring a lot of shit till 1940 and by then you need the supplies for ww2. tldr take france and benelux yourself (i dont think you can here so idk what to tell you) so you dont need to wait on germany and then just rush sealion with everything you got (also do hull dover isnt gonna be realistic here)

[daring tiger]

another thing that you could do is grind war support in barb and get some shit with actual industry while you get good air and can actually build up your army and while yes britains gonna be a pain in the ass to kill in 1944 it may be more possible just because at least now you have shit to work with

[mystic sand]

Yknow, with Paradox making games with longer runtimes, it'd be cool if they had HOI5 start in 1918 or 1919

[daring tiger]

now i might agree with you only issue is hoi4 is a ww2 game

not an interwar period game

not saying it couldnt happen

but i just dont see it tbh

tho i could def see a 1933 start

thats if a hoi5 comes out mind you

they still got a while to milk this one

[mystic sand]

The interwar period was still uniquely heavy in bloodshed, could make something interesting is all

HOI 4 is a war game, but it clearly can translate into other time periods

[daring tiger]

also if they use that same godforsaken engine again

[mystic sand]

did they use the same engine on EU5?

[daring tiger]

i agree but i also think that may be a job for modders

[daring tiger]

idk lol i dont play eu 😭

i dont imagine

[mystic sand]

well then itll probs be in that engine instead

[daring tiger]

its just the engine they used for this shit in 2016 was already outdated and by now this shits starting to give me creation engine vibes

[mystic sand]

move over skyrim, hoi4 is here to show you how milking an IP is done

[daring tiger]

also i was just giving a comment i didnt actually think they would really idk

[sudden thistle]

Hoi is a ww2 game

[mystic sand]

lowk i feel like were in the last few major updates/update for hoi4, everything they could polish has been polished

[safe wing]

Move over hoi4 total war warhammer has you beat

[daring tiger]

we still need that allies dlc

[mystic sand]

after the US and UK, who else would they make a major DLC for?

[safe wing]

Fr*nce

[mystic sand]

The US and UK trees are way older than the french tree tho

[safe wing]

Yes

[daring tiger]

i would imagine they would prob come back full circle and overhaul the overhauled things

[mystic sand]

and make 5 dollars max

[safe wing]

But if you think hoi4 is overmilked Warhammer 1-3 are milked to the max

[daring tiger]

i would be so pissed if they did that

[safe wing]

Like imagine having to own all 3 games to unlock a new game mode