hoi4-general

[sharp sierra]

now imagine 400 of them

[fair horizon]

also they were usually made from commercial ships too

[sharp sierra]

only 150

[magic aspen]

there is no way the Soviets just signed a white peace with Finland while literally knocking on the door of Helsinki lmao

[tawdry nebula]

Yeah converterd from Ocean Liner.

Example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiyō-class_escort_carrier

[fair horizon]

i like the british idea of making convoys with aircraft on them like the MacAlpine

[copper sluice]

Maybe the finnish took Leningrad

[copper sluice]

It's a shame that the Japanese were just so much cooler than the americans

[fair horizon]

i personally like the casablanca ones more

[copper sluice]

Oh I meant that more as a general statement

[fair horizon]

thats why we had to take them out

we werent aura farming enough

[copper sluice]

Imagine if the Japanese were competent

[fair horizon]

wouldnt have mattered

the resource shortages choked them to death

[sharp sierra]

i just found these dumb ass photos on google images

[tawdry nebula]

I agree.

[copper sluice]

They could have put up more of a fight at least

[tawdry nebula]

The only thing that there aren't really Ocean Liner to convert into Escort Carrier in game.

[fair horizon]

with what? they didnt have a lot of spare aviators and we had the paddle carriers in the great lakes

[tawdry nebula]

If one want to play historically.

[fair horizon]

its a shame though that they didnt preserve more of their ships though

[copper sluice]

I mean I think if things went well for them from the very beginning they could have succeeded

[fair horizon]

no

you cant fight the usa

[tawdry nebula]

You mean the USA?

[fair horizon]

they couldnt attack our coast and even their admirals knew attacking us wasnt a good idea

[fair horizon]

no i mean japanese ships, iirc they still had one battleship left at the end of ww2

[copper sluice]

That wasnt their goal tho

[fair horizon]

it doesnt help their goal

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok.

[fair horizon]

though iirc it was also like half torn apart too

[tawdry nebula]

True.

[copper sluice]

Time to lift yamato up from the ocean floor

[fair horizon]

why would you want a coal reef?

[copper sluice]

It looks cool

Btw am I the only one who can never afford to build planes or tanks in like the first 5 years

[fair horizon]

probably not, depends on how you do your production

[copper sluice]

I put all my stuff into infantry, support and artillery

[fair horizon]

thats probably why

[copper sluice]

Everytime I start a war my industry is too weak lol

[fair horizon]

i usually invest a minimum of 10 factories in air

[copper sluice]

You dont understand, I need those civs

[fair horizon]

but most of the countries i play dont really have a army so

[copper sluice]

Is Japans navy stronger than the us in 1936

[fair horizon]

i can usually get away with 5 factories on guns lmao

[copper sluice]

Wtf how

[fair horizon]

cause i play minors with no manpower

dont need 100 guns a day if i got like 10 divs

[copper sluice]

Ah yea

I have a luxembourg save game

Pushing one tile would give me manpower deficit xd

[pale flare]

yipee

[copper sluice]

I managed to form the benelux and conquer western and central europe idk how I did that

My divs were kinda running over everything

[fair horizon]

congo time

[tawdry nebula]

Nice.

[copper sluice]

Congo is rly fun for an african nation

[fair horizon]

im tryna decide what to go, like it seems like the civil war path might be good

[glad forum]

Civ war is good

Guys who wants to play hoi1

[pale flare]

daz a waide area

[silk marlin]

i have this one save file where i conquered pretty much the entire world except australia, and sometimes i open it up just to torture australia. idk man.

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

What did they do to you

[silk marlin]

idk really, i live in australia, its just fun lol.

i dont even remember why i originally done it, i think its because they would nonstop take ocean superiority away from me

[tawdry nebula]

Hmm.

For the rest how it's going for you guys in game?

[agile perch]

how are germany this bad?

[sudden thistle]

Because ai

Ai bad

[agile perch]

damn bro, i gotta do everything here

[tawdry nebula]

Nordic Empire? What is that??

[agile perch]

yessir

playing as finland

okay whole north soviet fell lmao

[tawdry nebula]

How did you form the Nordic Empire?? Is it throught a mod or how?

[unkempt zodiac]

they probably have a massive gun deficit

if your in the same faction you can check

[tawdry nebula]

I guess you can create the Nordic Empire throught a dlc?

[unkempt zodiac]

im guessing you have arms against tyranny

if i remember correctly you could like form a nordic defence council with finland i think

[tawdry nebula]

Yep I have.

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok I never tryed it tbh.

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah as monarchist finland

its really fun

[tawdry nebula]

Nice.

[fair horizon]

GO MY LEGIONS

OH NO THE USA IS HERE

[tawdry nebula]

France Civil War?

[fair horizon]

nah belgium germany and britian decided to declare war on france

so i got sucked into it

im kicking the colonizers out

[tawdry nebula]

I see.

[cedar tulip]

guys i created a custom map playable in vannilla MP wanna test it ?

[fair horizon]

this just aint fair

[heavy vigil]

youre gonna crash instantly

vanilla mp doesnt let you play with states without a country afaik

[tawdry nebula]

What happened?

[fair horizon]

die you colonizers

[cedar tulip]

untrue

i did game

that went past 43 no crash

[coral gorge]

76 dockyards

[cedar tulip]

i used mod that remove state and not a country mod that i removed after giving stuff

[fair horizon]

chat im winning it

[coral gorge]

78 dockyards now

[fair horizon]

i might need to do another king's party playthrough

biblically accurate poland

[tawdry nebula]

What flag is that one of Poland?

[fair horizon]

polish lithuanian commonwealth

[tawdry nebula]

How you formed it??

[fair horizon]

i didnt but the ai did

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok, but it's of Götterdämmerung dlc?

[fair horizon]

shouldnt be

lemme figure that out

[agile perch]

holy

[fair horizon]

no step back

[eternal palm]

No its nsb

[agile perch]

whole axis falling

😭

[eternal palm]

Thats the polish lithuanian commonwealth

[tawdry nebula]

Oh, ok.

[agile perch]

bradar i just killed 300k in one

holy

[agile perch]

Hey you

what do i do here

do i slime them out or build supply hubs

[snow rain]

first of all, equip your divs. Divs with no equipment < less divs with all equipment
then don't deathstack in no supply areas, keep only a div on each tile and push murmansk to secure supply and then kill them slowly

[eternal palm]

Dont ping random people.

[agile perch]

ok

[agile perch]

wdym i just replied to you dude

[snow rain]

replying pings (by default)

[eternal palm]

🤦‍♂️

[agile perch]

oh

[eternal palm]

Jesus fking christ.

[agile perch]

calm down dude

[snow rain]

click on this to remove the ping feature on the replies

[agile perch]

ok there

did it ping u

[snow rain]

no

[agile perch]

ok

[cedar lance]

i like the BICE Mod

a LOT

mainly becus of the new DOZENS of new combat battalions

[agile perch]

i think hes dead now

yep wiped out

[molten forge]

hey so

wtf do u do when the world is ironless

[snow rain]

reduce your export law
produce less stuff that needs steel
build infra on steel-rich regions and the power grid as well
do resources decisions

[molten forge]

umm

thats a issue

for you to understand

every country has less than 8

and ive done my extraction and excavation 5

[snow rain]

wdym

who are you playing as and what's your situation ?

most likely you're the US and just need to reduce your export law

[molten forge]

chinese soviet republic

am against the japanese and nepal

with the warlord states and china with me

its late game

[oak mantle]

is this okay against china for japan early game

[snow rain]

then I'm guessing you can't trade overseas and are at war with germany or something ?

[molten forge]

just japan

[tawdry nebula]

Isn't Soviet Chinese Republic at War with Japan first?

And the other Warlords.

[snow rain]

no
ditch the arty entirely except the support arty
ditch the recon because it's useless and costly, logistic is fine but shouldn't be needed (very costly too)
you only need pure inf to push china, use your air too (CAS mainly)

[snow rain]

1945 looking ass economy right there

when it's this late it's normal to be lacking resources

[molten forge]

its so bad i am gonna start producing more planes than guns

[oak mantle]

what cw inf do i use for china

16?

[molten forge]

if you play china

[snow rain]

you can keep the base template width, it's fine
ideally you can go down to 18w but that requires to micro more and battleplan less (except if you know how to use CAS correctly)

[oak mantle]

no against china as japan

[molten forge]

bro this mf dragged me in japan

[oak mantle]

ok ty

[molten forge]

my enemy you are

[oak mantle]

so basically to beat china u just use shitters and use cas as your "soft attack"

[bronze mango]

How is Nepal a major 😭

[molten forge]

they aint

[oak mantle]

nepal baddies

[molten forge]

japan allied em

[bronze mango]

Is shows them as such in the screenshot

But I guess rhe golden frame representing majors often glitches

[molten forge]

am i also major?

[oak mantle]

yes

[bronze mango]

Yeah

Seemingly you are faction leader so without a doubt

[molten forge]

am the republic

where are these

[bronze mango]

Indochina (Vietnam and such)

[rapid pebble]

What would be the Historical US Subdoctrines for ground, navy and air.

[toxic cypress]

if hoi4 doesnt fix this dlc

i think we shldnt buy the next one

[bronze mango]

I still dont even get the ncns hate

You can't even senselessly complain about coal since it was changed

[toxic cypress]

they broke naval ai and havent fixed it

they also made shitty focus trees

my biggest problem is the fact they made phillipines more fun then china

the nationalist chinese focus tree is a buncha bullshit

it doesnt have really clear way to navigate it and its super weak

[bronze mango]

Thr focus trees are great

[toxic cypress]

and too long u can never remove army reform

[toxic cypress]

your kidding?

al history japan is so annoying to navigate

why not just add a 14 day focus like germany?

instead of letting people make the mistake of this guy has better stats oh no the focus tree is now locked

[bronze mango]

Since when do hoi4 players care about navy

[toxic cypress]

they BROKE BROKE navy

[bronze mango]

Maybe you are just bad at it

[toxic cypress]

.

something tells me

you havent navigated around navy in awhile

its not the ai got op

the ai became brain dead

[bronze mango]

Thats a fair complaint but not fair enough to review bomb the dlc

[toxic cypress]

thats not the only one

[coral gorge]

naval ai being broken is okay

it is irrelevant anyway

[toxic cypress]

they broke the ai rn and it cant make proper navies

also alot of the trees do suck

wym yunnan

[bronze mango]

Hoi4 players pretending that they care about navy just to complain

[toxic cypress]

the place with endless paths

has a default path and no special path like the other warlords

your telling me the most diverse portion of china is bland ash

[coral gorge]

my only gripe with 1.17 is AI Germany being shit

[toxic cypress]

you coulda let em core thailand btw

[coral gorge]

[toxic cypress]

they have major tai minorities

[bronze mango]

Yeah

[fair horizon]

you mean sending all your screens to their death isnt a good idea?

[toxic cypress]

ong

its a amazing idea

[fair horizon]

who needs em anyways?

[toxic cypress]

also not only did yunan not get any content they gave nationalist so much content its diluted cause some paths are worth doing and some are so dog shit your throwing just even reading em

[coral gorge]

holy fk they buffed warscore from sinking ships

casualties taken still worth almost nothing

[toxic cypress]

also paradox gotta be in love with prc or smt

[coral gorge]

they have to

[toxic cypress]

prc has a godly focus tree and nationalist china gets the goe version of persia

[toxic cypress]

they didnt have to make nationalist china actually dog shit

[bronze mango]

Every dlc has some mid focus trees

[toxic cypress]

and manchuria focus tree is like 80% the original one

your far better off playing the phillipines then nationalist china

[toxic cypress]

yeah but this one messed up the 2nd most important part of the dlc

eitherway we coulda gotten so much content

and we just get mongol larping turks op commies and bullshit nationalists and monarchists

[molten forge]

i invinted AI usa cus japan is doing damage and china betrayed us, should i have hopes or?

[toxic cypress]

probably ur the player

anything is possible

[molten forge]

i kno

but

china and japan vs communist china

[fair horizon]

Did tibet get a tree?

[toxic cypress]

they got a national idea

thats it

[fair horizon]

Dang, no batman special forces then

Those monks would have done a number on japan

[toxic cypress]

they really drop the ball with china

2 good focus trees 1 secret nation

[molten forge]

I DIED

for gods sake

the chinese cat betrayed my ass

[coral gorge]

ffs I need PDX to save German AI

[gleaming iron]

this is NOT part of china.

[lament raptor]

If it exist then it is

Cuz we should have that land, we don't want USA and Russia be our neighbours

We love USA and Russia but we need that land

[ornate nova]

yo

[toxic cypress]

indians try not to say this is not part of X challenge

i swear it gets to a point

[gleaming iron]

dude but

its literally controlled by india

not china

[toxic cypress]

you realise yall keep saying it everytime

its getting to a point

[toxic cypress]

its also white out

if u can notice

[gleaming iron]

its in the map tho

[toxic cypress]

taiwan is also part of the map

wanna guess why

it refers to china the idea not the actual country ruling

this is what china in idea is

[gleaming iron]

ok

[slim nexus]

correct, is tibet part 🗿

[gleaming iron]

but that isnt china

[gleaming iron]

no

historically yes tibet

but now in india

[slim nexus]

indian occupier 🤦

[gleaming iron]

no

[toxic cypress]

i think you still missing the point

this isnt a political map

its a ethnic map of a region

[gleaming iron]

then why isnt nepal in there

bhutan

or sikkim

[toxic cypress]

this is the wiki map of chinese regional ethnic diversity

[oak mantle]

Whats the best division to kill china

[lament raptor]

Okay does anyone actually united china here I need help of fighting ROC

[toxic cypress]

anything with high soft attack

[oak mantle]

Cause i SUCK at japan

[oak mantle]

Does that include or not include line artillery

[toxic cypress]

get mountain artillery

the support

make a flame tank special forces unit

[oak mantle]

What is mouintain arty

Never heard of that

[toxic cypress]

with ranger engineer support

[oak mantle]

Is it in the mouintaineer doctrine

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-disappointed-fan-seriously-what-are-you-doing-judging-you-gif-17485289

[toxic cypress]

its in the mountaineer doctrine and more

[winged field]

Pure inf gameplay 🔥

[toxic cypress]

pretty sure its in some nations focus trees

[toxic cypress]

alr bud...

[oak mantle]

Are you like tweaking

Fairly certain mouintain arty is not a support company

[toxic cypress]

it is

the support artilery

[oak mantle]

How do i unlock it

[toxic cypress]

its an upgrade

[gleaming iron]

research it

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/the-giant-hoodwinked-too-watch-yo-tone-i-said-watch-yo-tone-big-guy-in-a-blue-suit-slapping-someone-gif-12346937456305641225

im starting to believe you started one hour ago

[oak mantle]

genuienly wtf r u talking abt

its not a research

what tab is it in

[toxic cypress]

let me show u

brb

[oak mantle]

ok

[toxic cypress]

gotta turn on da game

[winged field]

He means special forces mountain doctrine side

[toxic cypress]

i mean it was stated awhile ago

its clear he aint reading

[oak mantle]

yh hes saying its a support company

[surreal mist]

oh so the bad one

[winged field]

Well cuz technically it is

It buffs the support arty for minstineers

[toxic cypress]

its pretty strong

[surreal mist]

its garbage

[toxic cypress]

noob

[oak mantle]

mouintain arty is actually the worst pick LOL

holding the line is better

[toxic cypress]

its op for china

its mostly mountains

[surreal mist]

waste your army xp on garbage

[toxic cypress]

the damage u will do

[surreal mist]

good one

[toxic cypress]

is very nice

[surreal mist]

holding the line gives you more damage

[oak mantle]

dawg

it gives breakthrough

[surreal mist]

if you didnt know that you probably shouldnt be telling people how to play

[oak mantle]

not soft asttack

[toxic cypress]

im talking about the template

wait

i shld get my china gameplay

[oak mantle]

ok let me dumbv this down

if you can get 1.8 combat width mouintaineers

you can fit more mouintaineers into one combat width

which means

more damage per combat width

[toxic cypress]

it doesnt really matter

[oak mantle]

which means more damage

[toxic cypress]

your in china

[oak mantle]

it really does matter

[toxic cypress]

you just wanna get to supply hubs

and push over the mountains

[oak mantle]

brekathrough doesnt help u with anything

break

do you even know what breakthrough does

it stops the enemy hitting your org when youre attacking

[surreal mist]

waste 300 army xp on mountain artillery instead of doctrines

good one

build 0 mastery from your war

[oak mantle]

u can get hella army exp in china war anyway

also the mouintains just kill u as japan

u do kinda have to use mouintaineers for it or the war takes ages

[surreal mist]

yea you dont need doctrine for it

[oak mantle]

thats true

doctrine first then do mouintaineer doctrine

[toxic cypress]

its breaks open china

[oak mantle]

can u rephrase into english please

[tawdry nebula]

What is going on?

[toxic cypress]

its really good for fighting the infinite chinese spam in the mountains

when your playing in china in the supplyless mountains

[oak mantle]

do you know how breakthrough works

[surreal mist]

so he takes dogwater mountain artillery which buffs 3 of his battalions, instead of -0.2 combat width

[toxic cypress]

ur gonna want that breakthrough

[surreal mist]

clowning

[oak mantle]

breakthrough doesnt help u with supply whatsoever

[toxic cypress]

25 chinese units will attack u when u push

[oak mantle]

are you being fr

1 sec

[toxic cypress]

sorry but u cant even beat china with japan

[oak mantle]

lemme show u smth

well i can it just tkaes a while lol

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[oak mantle]

when do u kill china as japan

[toxic cypress]

i can also WC with luxemburg with enough time

[oak mantle]

what date

[oak mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[toxic cypress]

i did it pre dlc but post dlc i did it only with mods r56 only

i havent done it with the new dlc

i dont like new dlc japan

[oak mantle]

so u cant even kill china as japan and ur clowning me for it

cool bro

[toxic cypress]

shldnt be harder since you still got better industry better navy

better everything

[toxic cypress]

i did it as kumal

no allies btw i just beat the west and push east

[surreal mist]

your timing to kill it is very tight because of china's surrender progress getting buffed if you dont do it fast enough, you have like ~3 months from when max collab finishes to kill them before it gets annoying af and you have to take every tile

[sly condor]

hi i'm new

[oak mantle]

yh

wait one second jokage

[toxic cypress]

release ur self as kumal at start date

and do what i did

[oak mantle]

if u want

[inland falcon]

"maybe if i stand incredibly still..."

[gleaming iron]

why is the water pink

[toxic cypress]

im guessing no naval dlc?

[oak mantle]

this is mouintaineers with 39 gun and the combat width reduction

[inland falcon]

its pink because you can't place your convoys there (or probably shouldn't)

[toxic cypress]

also do the spanish civil war in historical and form hispania

[gleaming iron]

https://tenor.com/view/pink-pinkposting-breaking-gif-571463753067132445

[toxic cypress]

its the most annoying thing ive ever done

the sheer time it took was too much

[surreal mist]

take 2 off, you dont fit in mountain with that width

[gleaming iron]

oh

[oak mantle]

im jst doing it as an example

[toxic cypress]

alr bud

[toxic cypress]

honestly i would take the heli evac

heli evac xp savings so nice

like 50%

[oak mantle]

mb this is it with 39 gun

the cw reduction one

[toxic cypress]

flame tank over logistics anyday

i love my flame tanks

[oak mantle]

buddy

[toxic cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/tanks-tanki-tankionline-revenge-karma-gif-13447604

[inland falcon]

i quite like line arty for my special forces

[oak mantle]

u do realise i didnt add flame tanks cause its meant for semi early game

and this is it with the breakthrough modifier

u lose 40 soft attack for 40 extra breakthrough

and 40 hp

[toxic cypress]

🤷‍♂️ its really nice

[oak mantle]

and 120 defense

[toxic cypress]

and the amount of cities in china

it does help

[oak mantle]

breakthrough only helps u not get ur org hit when attacking

id rather have soft attack for attacking brotiksserie chicken

and the hp

and not that its too important but if u click smth u have another 120 defense to help defend that tile

[toxic cypress]

🤷‍♂️ ok ima be real

with any soft attack above 400

ur beating china

[oak mantle]

obviously

[toxic cypress]

you dont need 1k soft attack

[oak mantle]

any soft attack above 150 per division early game is gonna kill china

[toxic cypress]

🤷‍♂️ i always go for 400

its like the standard i like to stop at

[oak mantle]

why would u ever need 400 soft attack

[toxic cypress]

why not

[lament raptor]

Does adding more design make it stronger?

[oak mantle]

do u just spam line arty

[toxic cypress]

not really losing much

[oak mantle]

battallions?

[toxic cypress]

9 inf with 3 art and decent research and doctrine

[lament raptor]

And will you lose more manpower and supply for adding more battilions

[oak mantle]

say that to your logisitics

[lament raptor]

Yes

[oak mantle]

yes it does

well

[toxic cypress]

🤷‍♂️ never had that issue i dont spam 2mil units

[oak mantle]

it depends cause of combat width

[toxic cypress]

im not the china ai

[lament raptor]

What is a width in this game

[oak mantle]

but as long as you stay under 36 width yes

a combat ha s acombat width

which tells you how much you can fit in it

[toxic cypress]

i can prolly make 2000 units here

and i didnt

[oak mantle]

so if you have 70 cw in a battle and you have 2 divisions with 36 combat width it equates to 72 combat width which will actually fit but you get a small debuff

at some point above the combat width youre not able to reinforce into combat with more divisions

[toxic cypress]

i love my sweat 24 mark

[inland falcon]

in battles you have a certain amount of "combat width" which basically determines how many units you can have in a battle at once

[toxic cypress]

but 36 for special forces i usually hit

[tawdry nebula]

I honestly still didn't unerstood what happeend.

[toxic cypress]

you can be the insane guy

and have 1000 1 inf units

[inland falcon]

i still use 20w divisions. this hoi4 player still makes their divisions the old fashioned way <3

[oak mantle]

thats called an org wall vro

[inland falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/charge-soviet-urah-wave-enemy-at-the-gates-gif-7527805475201165031

[lament raptor]

I don't rlly get it ow...

[toxic cypress]

i think ive seen that

the bee swarm

[oak mantle]

a battle has a combat width and a division has a width

your divisions width has to fit inside fo that combat width so you can reinforce into the battle

a plains tile has 70 combat width

[lament raptor]

Does the width shows out? Any icons or something

[oak mantle]

you can go slightly above 70 combat width

[eternal palm]

You can go 33% over the cw limit and have a unit join over the limit with a 33% penalty

[oak mantle]

yes if you open the battle wscreen

[toxic cypress]

its a unbelievably stupid idea

prolly gonna have too much gaps

[oak mantle]

ah okay i didnt actually know that

[toxic cypress]

and unreliable

[oak mantle]

org wall is not stupid

[toxic cypress]

alr blud if u say so

be that guy

[eternal palm]

Flame tanks are kinda important though? And inf always lacks break

[oak mantle]

or at least it wasnt beforte the new dlc for china

it was pretty op

[toxic cypress]

1000 units with 1 inf each

[eternal palm]

Can never have too much?

[inland falcon]

your divisions are gonna melt though lol

[oak mantle]

yes it is if u get land warfare facility and research it

[oak mantle]

they dont

[toxic cypress]

you could also be that guy that uses the default units and lose to ai

[oak mantle]

the thing with org wall is no matter how small or big ur inf is its basically gonna have 60 org

[toxic cypress]

the 4 inf template

[oak mantle]

so if you can get

30 of those units intoa combat

youve got inf org but 0 defense and 0 hp so you lose HELLA equipment

its a meme strat

[inland falcon]

so, they get melted, lol

[oak mantle]

if you use 6 width you can get enough hp to the point where u wont die in battle

as long as the hp stat is above ur org then it wont die in battle

[oak mantle]

no

you can get like 720 org into one battle

maybe like 850 with doctrine

[inland falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1361606986977906701/1461182855416643645/convert.gif

[lime python]

whats gonna be the next hoi4 dlc

[restive sable]

South Pacific and Czechoslovakia

[heady bison]

Hopefully it will be a US rework in Q3 or Q4

[lime python]

A right i remember now

A dlc just for czechs?

tf

[inland falcon]

i doubt they'll redo content thats still a part of a DLC

[restive sable]

man the guns is integrated into base game now

[inland falcon]

oh what

[stone igloo]

How do I beat China as the Soviet Chinese?

[inland falcon]

okay yeah, an american rework is totally possible then

[lime python]

man the guns kinda sucks tbh

[inland falcon]

the dutch tree tho

imo it's perfect for a minor nation

[opaque mulch]

bru

[inland falcon]

nevermind actually, swiss content is probably the worst in the game

[storm forge]

What does this do will i have civil war

??

[inland falcon]

"believing that hitler has pushed germany into a war it cannot win" invading england as we speak 💔

[storm forge]

What will this do if hitler is couped

Will i have civil war

?

[inland falcon]

i dunno i haven't seen that event before

kill him anyway he sucks

[oak mantle]

yes

you will

im fairly certain thats only meant to happen if you dont get like austria or czech by a certain date or smth

[inland falcon]

could be the fuhrerprinzip thing

[oak mantle]

Pretty sure its not

[inland falcon]

oof

idk still kill hitler

he sucks

[oak mantle]

Im pretty sure you can get a special leader with it

if im thinking about the right event

[inland falcon]

goring incoming

[coral gorge]

there is a threshold for this

if Rhineland remilitarisation fails, it +1

if Anschluss fails, +1

[oak mantle]

yeah i knew it was smth like that

theres one for memel too right

[coral gorge]

sth sth it adds up,

if >2 it explodes

hmm I don't remember if there was one for Memel

[oak mantle]

iirc from the video i watched a couple months back on it its like rhineland austria czecks and memel

[sudden thistle]

Memel is small

I would assume not

[oak mantle]

Size doesnt matter dude

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

🇪🇪 TODAY we set upon a mighty endeavor

[patent thistle]

why am i sometimes not able to refit ships i get through decisions?

[patent thistle]

or ships i have seized*

it lets me change the designs, it takes the naval experience, but it just refuses to let me change the ships

[arctic nest]

it happend when you get the czecks denied and cant defeat them i think

[oak mantle]

China FINALLY capitulated

Literally had to take everything

[coral gorge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoi4/comments/1qdkif4/studio_gold_january_update_what_were_working_on/

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova what should i play

rerun germany game?

i havent played hoi4 in a while

played eu4 instead

i think i still know how to setup a frontline

[stark pebble]

can i get usa to be fascist without a civil war?

like what if the silver legion has 51% in 1940

would that work?

[tepid nova]

Romania

🙏

[split fulcrum]

noep

i still suck

[tepid nova]

rerun germany and see how much you improved

[river thistle]

yo guys i have 600+ hrs in the game but i need like a website with excellent division templates anyone have any

[sudden thistle]

Look in #ask-for-help-here

[cloud furnace]

bro are u srs

[eternal palm]

So?

Romania is simple 🤷‍♂️

[cloud furnace]

yeah lol its so easy

[split fulcrum]

buddy

i cant even win barbarossa

[eternal palm]

Yea... Romania isnt supposed to win by itself

U are kinda supposed to take 2nd behind germany

[eternal palm]

Hence u should play romania

[cloud furnace]

oh boy.... i feel bad for u

[eternal palm]

Like, how are u gonna get better by not playing

[split fulcrum]

the closest thing to barbarossa that i won is attacking the soviets as the german empire

[eternal palm]

Unless you straight up uninstall tehn whatever

[sudden thistle]

Romania isn’t even fun though

[eternal palm]

But like, what are you even doing here then

[split fulcrum]

but i had italy and fascist britian with me

[eternal palm]

So?

🤷‍♂️

[split fulcrum]

no

why romania

romania specifically

[eternal palm]

Because its simple

very straight forward

and not hard

I guess u could try hungary but its more complicated

but much stronger as a whole

[sudden thistle]

Australia 🔥

70 day focus for 2 railways

[split fulcrum]

what else are you gunna do as australia?

[cosmic spoke]

hello

I just finished the anschuluss thing in focus tree

Is austria supposed to be immediately annexed now?

[inner iron]

New Zealand becoming wakanda with their 6th research slot

We getting bob semple ultra

[sudden thistle]

Wait a few seconds

Then yeah

[thick kettle]

"Bro is jst typing numbers"

what am i doing yo

[fair horizon]

fox icon

[thick kettle]

trust me it comes from a game that i won't mention here but the designs are peak

what do you think of this special urban-fort designed unit

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-hbd-hbd-wishes-hbday-gif-14064079726530208946

[oak mantle]

is this a historical japanese ship

[arctic nest]

they had more and better anti air

on the yamato

[oak mantle]

anti air is for nerds

[arctic nest]

also not 3 superheavy guns

[arctic nest]

you asked for historical

[oak mantle]

how many

[arctic nest]

idk 3 or 4

[oak mantle]

its a bit too late to change it anyway cause its got a year left to go till its out

[arctic nest]

i hope stalin invades you ass

also usa

and germany

and france

and japan

[arctic nest]

and uk

[mild musk]

it's not that deep unc 😭

[oak mantle]

who do i invad enext who ISNT the allies

or america

[sharp sierra]

ive actually been an uncle since age 9

[arctic nest]

should puppet siam

for the rubber

[oak mantle]

i could take tibet

[oak mantle]

ive got enough rubber

[arctic nest]

are you buling a airforce?

[oak mantle]

yes ofc

gonna start making amp tracks soon too

[arctic nest]

are you traiding anything

[arctic nest]

dont need

just do mec marines

[oak mantle]

lotta aluminum

and steel

[arctic nest]

no rubber?

huh

[oak mantle]

yep no rubber

[arctic nest]

tanks as japan

[arctic nest]

dawng

[oak mantle]

this garrison law is very nice

[arctic nest]

oh i forgot

[oak mantle]

yes vro

[arctic nest]

no

[oak mantle]

yes

[arctic nest]

you get mega inf buff

you ever look at the three

[oak mantle]

infantry is boring

[mild musk]

literally why do u need this

[arctic nest]

like +70% attack

[oak mantle]

need what

[ruby heath]

The Yamato had 3 triple barrel cannons

[mild musk]

SPG + light tanks production at once

[oak mantle]

light tank recon

[mild musk]

is spg even good

[oak mantle]

yes

[arctic nest]

good polical view

[mild musk]

thx

[ruby heath]

just use medium tanks

[mild musk]

true

[copper sluice]

I think 5x3 460mm is a perfectly reasonable and realistic armament

[arctic nest]

onyl sp

[oak mantle]

why use medium tanks

[fair horizon]

spg is good

[ruby heath]

ight

[oak mantle]

if ur doing soft attack tanks

[ruby heath]

what the

[oak mantle]

thats stupid

[sharp sierra]

cuz other stats matter too ig

[arctic nest]

flame tanks and assult when?

[oak mantle]

breakthrough reudction sucks but cmon

[ruby heath]

id prefer you put some anti air in there

[oak mantle]

right now

[mild musk]

I mean realistically in MP you're gonna have to use heavy tanks

[oak mantle]

no i trust my air force

[mild musk]

medium tanks arent enough either

[ruby heath]

ok

[ruby heath]

just armour meme

if you play on single player

[oak mantle]

medium tanks can suffice if ur in a noob lobby

cause if u wanna do soft attack tanks then u use medium tanks

[mild musk]

u dont have to even do that if u have medium tanks on sp

everything works on sp

[sharp sierra]

i dont know sht about mp i never want to play that

[arctic nest]

i love to play noob mp

just di line arty

and then if they start pushing with tanks

[ruby heath]

yeah but I find armour meme better than making historically accurate tanks

[arctic nest]

just do battelplan

[oak mantle]

armor meme isnt even that good

its usually just an extra annoyance with production

[sudden thistle]

It’s rlly fun

[arctic nest]

sas the guy doing tank japan

[oak mantle]

im not ONLY doing tanks

[ruby heath]

my experience with armor meme, its pretty good in my opinion

[oak mantle]

also tanks are pretty good as well

[arctic nest]

should do 9/3 line arty

[oak mantle]

dont knock it till you try it

[ruby heath]

https://tenor.com/view/france-jumpscare-france-gif-8859834915651946028

[oak mantle]

im actually doing that lmao

i used 8/3 for china war

[ruby heath]

guh

[oak mantle]

added another inf batt

[fair horizon]

8/3 >clearly shows 9/3

[oak mantle]

yes i changed it in accordance with my doctrine

[ruby heath]

isnt radio expensive?

[oak mantle]

worth imo

[ruby heath]

also

[fair horizon]

more expensive imo to lose a tile when you're a minor

[ruby heath]

but Japans a major

[oak mantle]

i think signals are very important now

[fair horizon]

i thought he was playing china

[oak mantle]

they arent as important now but they were literally mandatory when ncns first came out cause tanks had infinite initiative

[arctic nest]

cost about 60$

[ruby heath]

https://tenor.com/view/i-must-away-i-must-go-leaving-gif-14821515977429184615

[arctic nest]

the old ones

[fair horizon]

your neighbor has one in his car just take his

[random parrot]

I hate the new update

[fair horizon]

patrol some ships?

[oak mantle]

do i need to do eternal empire to get the funny japan flag

[random parrot]

oh i have them

but the game doesnt

[copper sluice]

why does the non aligned and fascist japan flag look so ass

[oak mantle]

get a better navy vro

[fair horizon]

oh that bug

[arctic nest]

you are diverting them liek the ai

[fair horizon]

yeah nothing you can do about it tbh

[arctic nest]

do deathstack

[oak mantle]

fasicst japan flag is tougher

[fair horizon]

you need to have multiple fleets now

meatball meta is dead because of dominance

[arctic nest]

no just spoter cruiser and a death stack

[fair horizon]

you need at least 350 for sea zones, thats 2-3 cruisers

[oak mantle]

i mean if u want dominance split ur fleet but for killing another countries navy then i think death stack is still good

[random parrot]

my fleet also appears to be dead cuz of dominance

[fair horizon]

eh, just build a half decent fleet and its not an issue

like its pretty easy to win battles because of positioning bonus

[oak mantle]

building a half decent fleet means u have to understand navy tho

[fair horizon]

navy is ez

[oak mantle]

and thats like impossible

whats the current navy meta

[random parrot]

Is there anything i can do to get around the bug?

[fair horizon]

carrier spam

[sudden thistle]

Has always been light cruisers

[fair horizon]

carriers planes go to any battle in range

[sudden thistle]

And AA BB/SHBB if u want

With carriers/with naval bombers if u want

[fair horizon]

dont even need aa bb tbh

[sudden thistle]

“If u want”

[fair horizon]

ai suck at doing anything with their capitals

ive seen like italian planes

and thats it

[oak mantle]

what about torp destroyers

are they decent

[fair horizon]

torp destroyers have been mid for like years

[oak mantle]

damn

[sudden thistle]

U can use this same Strat for mp and be fine

[fair horizon]

torps attack every 4 hours on surface ships

[oak mantle]

am i fried

[fair horizon]

honestly if you wanna go torpedoes id personally just make torpedo cruisers

[gilded vessel]

How has Chile gotten into 3 civil wars within 2 years

[vital cove]

make light cruisers

[oak mantle]

i fear its too late

[vital cove]

also you only need one super heavy battleship

[oak mantle]

its 1941

[rich nacelle]

When it comes to Bitt3rsteels guide, are the ship templates still good or did NCNS make them obsolete?

[fair horizon]

nah you got plenty of dockyards, do you have enough screens?

[fair horizon]

they're still good

[oak mantle]

been making destroyers all game so id assume so

[rich nacelle]

Thanks bro.

[oak mantle]

should i start making carrier fighters and navs for my carriers

[fair horizon]

id make some light attack cruisers so you can stop the enemy

[oak mantle]

ok

[rich nacelle]

Are you telling us you have carriers but no carrier planes 💀

[fair horizon]

also chat i learned something the other day about converted carriers

[oak mantle]

well yeah i didnt make the carriers its just the ones you start with

[rich nacelle]

A what?

[fair horizon]

if you convert a cruiser and it has armor 1 it actually affects the speed of the conversion

so if you have armor 1 put it on the carrier design too

same thing with armor 2

[fierce mortar]

i never use fighters on my carriers. Carrier based naval bombers have 10x damage, making them a superior choice. Air cover should be land based if possible

[rich nacelle]

Has anyone figured out the “ideal” doctrines for navy as NCNS overhauled them or are there just so many combinations you can do whatever.

[fair horizon]

depends on how you wanna build your fleet

[oak mantle]

its the pacific so unless i have hella range on my fighters its prolly not possible

[fierce mortar]

the point is literally to do whatever fits you. there is no meta

[unkempt zodiac]

i once had 74 divisions on a single tile 😭

[fair horizon]

like if you like carriers then theres a few carrier doctrines that are really good

but if you like battleships you probably dont care about the carrier things

[rich nacelle]

Carrier spam meta 💀

[oak mantle]

does the ai usually make carriers and get air superiority over sea zones? if so, is it not good to mayube have one full carrier of planes to try and combat that?

[fierce mortar]

meh i never have time to spam any ship. i always refit existing ones

[unkempt zodiac]

werent cruisers meta 😭

[rich nacelle]

Ok that sounds disgusting disregard what i just said.

[unkempt zodiac]

i cant keep up with this bro

[fair horizon]

no, carrier planes used in battle dont affect the zone

if you're worried just fill a few slots with carrier fighters

[fierce mortar]

the ai doesn't use their carriers. they sit in port, so this is never an issue 99% of the time

[oak mantle]

alr

[fair horizon]

tbh you shouldnt even have to worry

[rich nacelle]

I’m poking fun at how PainKiller said there is no meta so you can do whatever.

[oak mantle]

whats the ideal nav design

[fair horizon]

the naval ai is severely broken

[rich nacelle]

I don’t think I have ever seen the AI use planes on their carriers 💀

[fair horizon]

big engine big torpedo

[unkempt zodiac]

if you have a decent industry light cruisers

[fair horizon]

range if you got it

[fierce mortar]

but it's true, you can do whatever you want, and it will work against the AI. AI is dumb

[oak mantle]

naval bomber

[sharp sierra]

war bombs

[fair horizon]

more range means it can help in other battles

[unkempt zodiac]

only in singleplayer

[rich nacelle]

Ngl naval bombers can really do a number on your fleet or the enemies in some circumstances.

[oak mantle]

im gonna get better torpedos as soon as possible but excluding the bad torpedo is this fine

[fair horizon]

rmov plates and put range

[rich nacelle]

I played as Japan and lost half my fleet in like 2 months to naval bombers. Never again will I play Japan.

[unkempt zodiac]

they absoloutely can in singleplayer

[fair horizon]

air defense doesnt matter

[oak mantle]

or should i take out armor plates and replace em with range

ok

[unkempt zodiac]

cus ai puts nearly zero aa

[oak mantle]

all armor plates removed or leave like one

[unkempt zodiac]

and never retreats ships

[fair horizon]

air defense isnt calculated against boat aa

full range

[fierce mortar]

and switch to toerpedo 2 when you get them. they are busted

[oak mantle]

ok

[rich nacelle]

Replace them with range.

[sharp sierra]

do trains get demolished in the new update

[fierce mortar]

what do you mean? nothing changed with trains

[oak mantle]

i noticed that in the research screen lol, its like a 50% increase in nav attack

[sharp sierra]

i dont know i just feel like the trains are getting bombed to shit way more than i remember

[unkempt zodiac]

you could also go medium airframe cus they fit 2 torpedoes

[unkempt zodiac]

armored trains

[fair horizon]

not on a carrier plane

[oak mantle]

is it even possible to use medium air frame on carrier

[unkempt zodiac]

ohhh right

my bad

[fair horizon]

with ice carriers you can

[fierce mortar]

i always have like 1500 fighter protecting me, so never noticed that haha

[rich nacelle]

Also can’t you only use one naval bombing module on a plane?

[fair horizon]

super niche tho

[rich nacelle]

Or am I schizoing

[oak mantle]

oh is that the point of ice cruisers

[fierce mortar]

wait reeeeally ??????? wow.

[sharp sierra]

well i had 0 trains as finland like a few months after soviets attacked

[fair horizon]

massive capacity and can fit any plane

[young tide]

Oh wow

[fair horizon]

takes like 4 years to research and another 4 to build

so the game is over by the time you get one

[unkempt zodiac]

losing them to attrition maybe? idk

[oak mantle]

so theyre super good but ppl just dont use em

[sharp sierra]

no it was the soviet cas

[oak mantle]

oh thats why

[fair horizon]

unless you're canada

[rich nacelle]

Probably losing to the 10000000 CAS on logistics strike the Soviets have.

[sharp sierra]

and im just noticing the effect my bombing is having on the allies landing in germany to my volunteer cas

[unkempt zodiac]

it says if you lost them to attrition or enemy bombing

[sharp sierra]

i dont remember it being that good

[rich nacelle]

Trains take attrition? Wtf

[oak mantle]

is this a good amphib tank

[unkempt zodiac]

hover your mouse over it

[rich nacelle]

I can’t get in hoi4 rn

[unkempt zodiac]

it tells you up to last 60 days i think

[rich nacelle]

But that is actually crazy if they do 😭

[unkempt zodiac]

i mean

either that or they got bombed

[noble crown]

Im still new at this n dont know the meta, but imo switch out one of the stabilizers for extra fuel, get the torsion bar for more reliability. Im also a turtling kind of guy so i like dozer blades on my tanks as well

[reef lotus]

i hate how the Ai keeps getting away with cheating

2 hours lost for nothing

[zenith charm]

well that was easy

[reef lotus]

Just Remove Manchuria from the game

[fair horizon]

eu4 map?

[reef lotus]

the debuffs japan gets don’t do anything

9 infantary template even with the buffs gets schredded

not even AA helps

[fair horizon]

probably cas

check the air zones

[reef lotus]

„i brought back the qing dynasty with manchu“ how many cheats?

[sudden thistle]

Did u look at ur debuffs

[reef lotus]

AA

[fair horizon]

how much aa?

do they have supply?

[reef lotus]

support

they did have supply

[fair horizon]

what level of aa?

[reef lotus]

1940 in 1940

[fair horizon]

and whats beating them?

[robust basalt]

base aa is enough to get max reduction on cas

[reef lotus]

i tell you the AI is cheating

[robust basalt]

bit late no?

[fair horizon]

yeah they are cheating thats how that works tbh

[robust basalt]

I could be wrong, havent played that path in long time but that feels late

[fair horizon]

show us a battle picture

[reef lotus]

and yes i did the raid thingy with the -40% for japan

[reef lotus]

i deleted all my units from Anger and capitulated

got annexed

Ironman

[zenith charm]

idk the mod is like that

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[reef lotus]

yea but i had huge deficits in equipment

so i had to prepare

[fair horizon]

well theres the issue

[reef lotus]

is there a way to make the japanese go communist?

without the settings

[fair horizon]

not without the settings

[robust basalt]

gotta go non hist and pray

ironman compatible at least

[reef lotus]

i always do that

[robust basalt]

dont matter if you just rush with cav n shit

[reef lotus]

they never go commie when i play manchu

always hirohito or hist

[robust basalt]

gotta pray harder

[reef lotus]

paradox need to fix this shit

[eternal palm]

Roll as many times as you need

I've had them go non hist all the time

[reef lotus]

there is a 33% chance to go democratic/commie

lucky

i need to kidnap the head of the Hoi4 Matrix

meanbean has the millennium Dawn Matrix as his opponent and i have the regular

i cant anymore

stockholm needs to burn

[fair horizon]

you just need to play a navy australia game

[reef lotus]

no

i‘d rather play bob only NZ

why is Random Disabling Achievemen? i get it in Historical but in Unhistorical? bro

instead of making their game more enjoyable they just pump out DLC‘s like stuff

[eternal palm]

I can smell the copium

Manchu is easy bro

Just make inf?

Japan is so weak

[knotty vortex]

how long do non-agression pacts last and will AI nations break them?