hoi4-general

[scenic estuary]

We're both really new so just talking about basic Ai starts :)

[wary sparrow]

more sunk

[agile perch]

wait should i play 1936 or what

[wary sparrow]

anuder

[agile perch]

this game is so painfull bro

i just lost to soviet

[flint wyvern]

Stream a game and I can help

[wary sparrow]

why do germans suck now?

getting annhilated by soviets

[lilac glen]

I meat grinded my way into invading Europe

What do I do now tho?

[remote quarry]

don't touch the 39 start

[solid bane]

Has there been any talk about the next dlc?

I was just randomly curious if anything new had come out.

[wary sparrow]

can paradox fix their stupid game, for some reason germany has like 10k less planes and no weapons to fight with

and the ussr fielded 500 divisions by barbarossa

we literally cannot push them

the ussr has 100s of thousands of equipment in stockpile

germany has nothing

grrr

[somber sinew]

its like 220 divisions

and the axis appear to have more

[wary sparrow]

they fighting japan too

they got like another 200 in siberia

[somber sinew]

wait like 5 months

they aint gonna have a stockpile

[flint wyvern]

Why are u relying on germany in the 1st place???

[scenic estuary]

Do the Soviets have their buff?

[somber sinew]

he's romania?

[wary sparrow]

cause they normally have a chonky air force

soviets tho

i think the allies are feeding them

germany rn has 0 tanks, support equipment, guns, artillery

[wary sparrow]

im italy

[flint wyvern]

Bro its a.i just micro u will win trust not everything I'd battleplanning only take battles ur sure u will win capture supply hubs

[steep forge]

How do I produce my own tungsten and chromium

[mystic fable]

I'm 10 hours in rn and killing with italy. This is fun lol

[simple vine]

anyone know about 2 good endgame divisio templates 1 infantry based and 1 mechenized infantry or tank

open for other division templates if there is anything better

[wary sparrow]

i gotta carry (and im not that good imo)

and now the americans are in the war so d-day probably gonna happen a bunch

[simple vine]

hey @heavy vigil since you're on answer my questioon will ya

now how long will it take for him to answer

[tawdry edge]

late game world ttension is so weird

[flint wyvern]

I can help u if u want

[tawdry edge]

it's ww3 with 100m casualties and theres 0% world tension and Czechoslovakia is n1 evil

[somber sinew]

"chinese czechoslovakia"

[simple vine]

fr bro said czechoslovakia but has every chinese general imaginable

[opal dragon]

paradox is based

[wary sparrow]

the real diffecult part is that i dont have enough troops to stop the soviets in the east, allies in africa, and d day

[simple vine]

<@&916727971820240976> ehm*

[wary sparrow]

here they come

[foggy saffron]

#ask-for-help-here

[simple vine]

will you help me there

:3

[tawdry edge]

Im PRC, not czechoslovakia

[flint wyvern]

Do u want my help or nah

[wary sparrow]

what could you even help with

[steep forge]

How do I produce my own tungsten and chromium

[somber sinew]

i wish i could get tech-support

[copper sluice]

might be my fastest spanish civil war yet

[flint wyvern]

Give u the win

[steep forge]

How do I get dominance on deep ocean tiles

[scenic estuary]

Is there a path to get Kurdistan?

Thats so cool

[steep forge]

How do I get dominance on deep ocean tiles

[scenic estuary]

Try asking in #ask-for-help-here very helpful peps there!

[steep forge]

No one responding so I ask in both

[wary sparrow]

i think its a bit late

[scenic estuary]

Just gotta wait unfortunately, I personally dont know awnser to your question. But hopefully someone can help you soon

Yt videos are also helpful, navy's are so confusing early game!

[wary sparrow]

dunno what the new update did but now germany cant fight

at least i got to form greater italy

[scenic estuary]

Are you sure russia didnt just get their winter buff?

[opal dragon]

....huh??

[wary sparrow]

germany has absolutely 0 equipment

[scenic estuary]

Oh shoot

[wary sparrow]

they aint making anything

and soviets had a 2.5x bigger airforce by barbarossa

we literally couldnt push

and ive tried 2 games now

germans just fall apart instantly

[scenic estuary]

That sucks

[steep forge]

How do I get dominance on deep ocean tiles

[sly elm]

blitzkrieg but egypt

[misty fossil]

67

i think your aircrafts are not good

what mod

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357845146816741416/1432008293961961733/giphy.gif

[tulip thorn]

average hoi4 player tbh

[grim plover]

Hello

[split bane]

https://tenor.com/view/our-brains-are-shrinking-our-brains-are-our-brains-bird-birds-gif-5106326547196529695

[spiral prawn]

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła!

[woven gate]

did this on a laptop

[spiral prawn]

Niech żyje Polska!

[woven gate]

i should try and hold out as poland

[agile perch]

oh i always play 39 😭

[agile perch]

Im on a roblox game right now, i can tommorow let me know

[woven gate]

you gotta run 36 to prepare things in the best way

[agile perch]

thing is idk how to prepare

[lethal glen]

ew

10

nvm not as good as i thought it was

[copper sluice]

can I see my war support just for 1 certain war anywhere?

im a bit scared of having no war support despite conquering america on my own

[lilac glen]

That's why you need to play 36'

[sharp sierra]

i play `0000000

[opal dragon]

Whenever my game lags out I just assume its the Russian Civil War

[sharp sierra]

im lagging out in real life bah

is it te russian civil war in real life

[opal dragon]

Iranian i think

[sharp sierra]

yea i saw that i hope the place becomes cool

[opal dragon]

🙏

[copper sluice]

why did canada just get back all of their territory for no reason

[woven gate]

i might be able to help you tomorrow

i'm not so experienced in one strategy nor am i very good at the game

but i am a MEAN ass US player if you want help playing as the best country on earth

[woven gate]

that's a fine trade if you've got good enough industry

[sharp sierra]

we could take gay tests online

[woven gate]

last time i got 88% even though i've been straight for a while now

we all had that phase

[sharp sierra]

you got 88 percent gay

[woven gate]

when i was like 15

[sharp sierra]

i got 23%

[woven gate]

promise i locked in though

i think i could be a good japan player too tbh

i'd just struggle with the industry bottlenecks

[lethal glen]

eye candy

[sharp sierra]

i on no mane

[lethal glen]

dumbass AI not a single bombing

[sharp sierra]

u don neeed no anti air my brahhh

[lethal glen]

oml it good

used it as USSR once and halfed the german air force

[woven gate]

get more industry

[lethal glen]

plus support AA

[woven gate]

you always need more civs

[opal nymph]

Not as Germany with MEFO

You can gain civs by invading people

[woven gate]

maybe not because europe means bombing eachother

[coral gorge]

why would that matter

[lethal glen]

.

[coral gorge]

you will rob others either way

[opal nymph]

I like a few more civs as Japan before I start invading

[woven gate]

it isn't always like that

[odd linden]

damn

[sharp sierra]

guys should i just give in and buy the dlc and start playing again

[woven gate]

it's not like china could be that hard

[sharp sierra]

im sad i want to ply again

[lethal glen]

well right now it isa

[woven gate]

in that case i'd say carry on

[opal nymph]

China is just annoying

[lethal glen]

south china is horrible

[opal nymph]

I recently played historical and it was a clean sweep

[lethal glen]

so many mountains

[woven gate]

western china

[lethal glen]

i played japan like once

hated it

south and western

[woven gate]

maybe a collab government could help

[opal nymph]

South China is okay to deal with by following the coast

[lethal glen]

i felt claustrophobic for some reason

[woven gate]

i barely use the agents for anything

[opal nymph]

2 collab governments means taking Chongqing is a win

[lethal glen]

spies?

[woven gate]

prob bc i'm a lazy ass

[woven gate]

yeah

[lethal glen]

i only use spies for collab and collab

[opal nymph]

Meanwhile me who just forgets the feature exists

[woven gate]

precisely

[opal nymph]

Honestly, raids could have been merged with the Intel agency

[lethal glen]

i forgot to make an agency until 39

[woven gate]

i was playing hoi with my dad today and he suggested that i try heavy tanks and i found that they're insane

40 width heavy tanks

[opal nymph]

40 width?

In 2026?

[lethal glen]

https://tenor.com/view/iq-to-high-iq-to-high-dumbass-gif-8703840328342123411

[woven gate]

if you think i care what pro players are doing you'd be gravely mistaken

i find a number and i roll with it

[opal nymph]

36 widths are nicer

[woven gate]

less org

[opal nymph]

Less pain

[lethal glen]

i played multiplayet only three times. I had fun but seeing hundreds of american tanks land in normandy and shoot across europe is smth i do not wanna deal with

[woven gate]

you can afford the logistics as the US

[coral gorge]

use 50w

[opal nymph]

50 width gaming?

[lethal glen]

I genuienly dont know how he even did that shit

[opal nymph]

1 unit available per combat?

[woven gate]

he used freedom

[woven gate]

FDR got up out of his wheelchair and gave hitler an atomic wedgie

[dusky burrow]

Probably something like this for the infantry and then this for the tanks

[woven gate]

that 2nd one is diabolical

[dusky burrow]

I mean it will crush anything it comes up across in singleplayer

[opal nymph]

38 width? Dang

[woven gate]

i never used any of the self propelled stuff and i didn't even know that amtracs were useful

[lethal glen]

honestly wtf do amtracs do. I see "NEW HOI4 META TEMPLATE" on youtube and see amtracs everywhere

[lethal glen]

Self Propelled arty is so OP

[woven gate]

i be using motorized

[opal nymph]

Mechanized with special forces attack as well

[lethal glen]

thats so stupid

[opal nymph]

So they get mech buffs and special forces buff

[woven gate]

let me be lazy in peace

[opal nymph]

And amphibious bonus

Motorized isnt the worst

[lethal glen]

motorized is SO expensive for no reason

just use horses in tank divs till you get good mech

[woven gate]

i just don't feel like switching to mech

[lethal glen]

gives same HP and is less cheap

[opal nymph]

Cursed

Muh speed

[woven gate]

i couldn't sleep at night doing that

[lethal glen]

hey, it works, whatever makes it less expensive

[lethal glen]

well know I rest easy knowing that I do that

[woven gate]

i also see tank destroyers a lot

maybe i should try those next USA game

[lethal glen]

only good for mp

[dusky burrow]

not anymore

[lethal glen]

hard attack means nothing in sp till like late 44 and all of 45

[lethal glen]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-covering-mouth-stream-scary-speed-scared-gif-3435748839023247479

[woven gate]

decavalrizing

[opal nymph]

Motorized is fun because speed

[lethal glen]

ye but it is also not fun when more expensive

[woven gate]

doesn't matter as the US

[opal nymph]

Me with 5 mils and im fine

[woven gate]

or any major industry pretty much

[lethal glen]

RUBBER

why is it SO

rare

[opal nymph]

Oh no!

My 5 factories!

[woven gate]

buy it from the dutch east indies

[dusky burrow]

you get 35 hp from mech, only 25 from horses

[opal nymph]

They consume SO much rubber D:

[dusky burrow]

because individual excellence things

[woven gate]

i need to improve my USA game

it's very successful but inefficient

i could be destroying more Axis per Ally

[opal nymph]

Who needs efficiency when we can just focus on limiting casualties

[lethal glen]

lowk what is with paradox and innacurate nukes

[woven gate]

that's what efficiency means

[lethal glen]

that shit doesnt matter as china or USSR

[opal nymph]

Okay, and?

We dont want widows

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[lethal glen]

we?

[tawny tartan]

Jonathan whats up

[woven gate]

that time i gave israel to germany in the peace conference just to nuke every tile there

[opal nymph]

Hi

[tawny tartan]

Remember me?

No y ou don't

[woven gate]

double whammy

[opal nymph]

I dont, no

[tawny tartan]

I am him

[opal nymph]

Sorry

[misty fossil]

your mom

[dusky burrow]

Yeah pretty much

[misty fossil]

hes correct btw

[dusky burrow]

Or take Malaya

[misty fossil]

trucks are just so bad

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cloaker-gif-26386825

[tawny tartan]

I bullied my gang

[misty fossil]

either you use mech, amtrac or straight up horses

[dusky burrow]

tanks but you have 400 freaking HP for some reason

camels at elast give you 30 hp per unit

[misty fossil]

38cw

[dusky burrow]

So they're not a bad choice

[lethal glen]

unless the japanese take it from you first

[dusky burrow]

I know

[glacial oasis]

am i the only person who actually likes when mods have fakeout focus trees

[woven gate]

as i said i couldn't sleep at night with tanks and cav in the same division

[dusky burrow]

38 cw has always worked tbh

[misty fossil]

real

[woven gate]

do the taiwan strat

[misty fossil]

it is what it is

[opal nymph]

What if trucks gave some more hardness, would they be less bad?

[tawny tartan]

Any tutorial for all DLCs?

[lethal glen]

richy

[woven gate]

whole USN over by Taiwan, land there, land in Okinawa and Nagasaki, then land in Tokyo from Okinawa and pincer Japan

[opal nymph]

Official hoi4 advanced tutorial

[tawny tartan]

They have an advanced tut now???

[opal nymph]

Yeah

[lethal glen]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-laugh-ai-baby-babyfryingme-baby-sob-folk-gif-18221933230434867320

[woven gate]

probably like 8 hours long

[opal nymph]

I haven't viewed it yet

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/larry-larry-baby-ai-baby-laughing-ai-baby-baby-gif-17394836155970552795

[dusky burrow]

Even the Dutch fleet can do it because of the naval AI

[tawny tartan]

This was me as a baby, you see how famous I am?

[woven gate]

still funny to do it with 450 US ships

the USS we welded this shit together last thursday

[dusky burrow]

Yep

[lethal glen]

my navy strat for germany is either spam subs or make super heavy battleships because why the hell not

[woven gate]

my cat is helping me heal

[woven gate]

welcome back kaiser wilhelm

[lethal glen]

https://tenor.com/view/iq-to-high-iq-to-high-dumbass-gif-8703840328342123411

[woven gate]

this is my cat rn

[misty fossil]

eye candy

could have been 30k soft attack but whatever

[lethal glen]

yo

wtf

[sharp sierra]

my gewt

[woven gate]

OWB

[opal nymph]

Enclave?

[misty fossil]

yeah

[lethal glen]

how did you even acheive that

[misty fossil]

enclave reborn redux with some other mods

[opal nymph]

Reformist or Purists

[misty fossil]

reform

[opal nymph]

Good

[woven gate]

true technologymaxxing

[misty fossil]

purists have no content

[opal nymph]

Oh actually?

[misty fossil]

yea

thats what i was told

[opal nymph]

Bad path being bland is funny

Isn't that usually what it is in games?

[misty fossil]

honestly

it just boils down to picking the right advisors, techs, designs and grinding general traits

[tawny tartan]

Will there be a Hoi5?

[misty fossil]

not now

that was a power armour div but i had a PA editor mod

[woven gate]

not before they steal the last of the money from my wallet

[misty fossil]

40w PA i believe

[misty fossil]

wym

[sharp sierra]

JUST READ RGE TIIKTIP YOU FFREAKING IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[opal nymph]

You usually have a decent good guy path and the bad guy path is just being bad for the sake of being bad

And becomes a boring path

[misty fossil]

dont know

[opal nymph]

Or maybe it is because I hate playing the bad guys

[misty fossil]

me too

[opal nymph]

I dont think i have ever exterminated anything in stellaris

[misty fossil]

i have but its the exception

[opal nymph]

Intentionally at least.

I learned the hard way you cannot have hive minds in a non hive mind empire

And accidentally vaporized an entire species

[misty fossil]

most of the time i kill ai empires but integrate their pops

[opal nymph]

I felt bad

[misty fossil]

Unless its a determined exterminator or fanatic purifier

[sharp sierra]

wow what a globalist over here omg bill gates

[opal nymph]

I always do this because im the UNE

[misty fossil]

i always give no quarters with those folks

[sharp sierra]

guys i just read the dang too tip

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/our-brains-are-shrinking-our-brains-are-our-brains-bird-birds-gif-5106326547196529695

[opal nymph]

It is always the tiny salamander looking creatures too

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/ongezellig-mymy-fact-check-post-patriot-gif-3288063450887726825

[misty fossil]

Prikkiki ti

[opal nymph]

Like how are those little guys always the most hateful thing in the galaxy

[misty fossil]

yeah i blast their empire into pieces and steal all the pops

I mean

pops are pops

They run the economy

i still give them the same rights as other pops

[opal nymph]

Utopian Abundance for all

I got the achievement for doing that

[misty fossil]

fr

[opal nymph]

I really need to play a democracy installer UNE

The only game of stellaris i won is by making a huge federation of most of the galaxy

[sharp sierra]

did yuallllllllseee vijoplays video about hoi4 but its translated 10000 times its pretty gfunny

[opal nymph]

And all 8 empire outlooks were in the faction lmao

[sharp sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eruTwCMuWG8

[opal nymph]

Comedy

[copper sluice]

can the game stop giving the territory I have conquered to random ass people

[sharp sierra]

like wgat

[heavy vigil]

huh

[sharp sierra]

how many time u poop in a wee

[copper sluice]

STOP IT

[sharp sierra]

for a, month like 20 time si bet

[copper sluice]

I will go insane

[sharp sierra]

show screenshots

[copper sluice]

united kingdom on their way to manifest war participation out of thin air

and wtf is this man

[copper sluice]

wtf happened to russia while I wasnt looking

[spring hedge]

all properly equipped btw

moderate headway tho

[copper sluice]

just do some other focus while waiting lol

only 20 more countries to go to have america

[warped flint]

who should I play in darkest hour

[simple vine]

saved also this is what i ended up using

i got wrecked since it was way to expensive

but that is what i get for starting with saudi

[heavy vigil]

what is this

[simple vine]

you tell me

supposed to be a top tier div template

[heavy vigil]

wdym i tell you

no doctrines

modern tanks which suck

no hardness

definitely cant naval invade

the supports???

just make a land facility??

the infantry with light tanks??? whats even the vision

[simple vine]

whut land facility?!

[heavy vigil]

the second one isnt that bad

[heavy vigil]

im assuming youre going to play the game without cheating

until late game

[simple vine]

nope spawned in 10m manpower as soon asd i could

[heavy vigil]

i can see that

[simple vine]

fyi sir i used the following on my badass run

[heavy vigil]

well if youre going to cheat just use air

doesnt matter what divisions you use

supersonic CAS will work

sp_ra

[simple vine]

tdebug, debug, allowdiplo, research all, instant construction, fouc.autocomplete, pp 10000000, cp 1000, xp 10000, manpower 10000000, uh and some more ig

[heavy vigil]

mastery is a good one

[simple vine]

huh

[heavy vigil]

but you dont need cheats to win as saudi, its just a difficult nation

well not too difficult just harder than some others

[heavy vigil]

high speed = attacks more afaik

supersonic planes get 1.6K speed

[simple vine]

whut is a afiak..

[heavy vigil]

as far as i know

[simple vine]

i have long way to go alm,ost got my ass kicked by afghanistan

lowkey traumetized i had like 40 divisions ?!!!

they had 4

[heavy vigil]

cheating doesnt make you better at hoi

often it makes you worse

because you dont pay attention

[simple vine]

well that and the ai that fumbles on the mountains

had to manually control each div.. pain

[heavy vigil]

thats pretty normal

do you think you could take out yemen as saudi arabia without cheats?

[simple vine]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducking-happy-feet-playtime-bath-gif-15013197

[heavy vigil]

im curious

[simple vine]

lol

it took my like a week

and till 1945 when i managed to

[heavy vigil]

mhm

[simple vine]

ik

[steel zephyr]

how's this div?

[heavy vigil]

yemen is easier

[heavy vigil]

its ok

youre playing finland so you have a lot of production

[simple vine]

yh but these sand rats just keep on multiplying like on and on

[heavy vigil]

logistics is kinda necessary

[remote quarry]

get gun 2

[heavy vigil]

because of individual excellence being the best inf doctrine

[remote quarry]

and put in your special support company

[steel zephyr]

not much manpower so i currently only converted two into these around leningrad

but yeah ill apply your guys' suggestions

[heavy vigil]

i mean a lot of the game is reading/looking at things/some math

[remote quarry]

ok the first thing you need to do is don't spend any army xp

[heavy vigil]

if you dont do those youll struggle

[remote quarry]

and pick desperate defense

it would triple your total manpower

on operations subdoctrine

[simple vine]

i have to study what casey said i have to get this game under control

[heavy vigil]

its not studying just like

[steel zephyr]

my prod

[heavy vigil]

when a battle happens

dont 5 speed

[steel zephyr]

the high aa is just temporary

[heavy vigil]

click on it and look

[remote quarry]

also you should have 1939 gun now

it's already late 38

[heavy vigil]

maybe dont build bad equipment as well

[heavy vigil]

instead he got tanks

[remote quarry]

also you don't need 4 on aa, just need like 2 on aa and 1 on truck

put 1 on train as well

[heavy vigil]

he probably has access to the spawn in ft 31

[remote quarry]

and add more on guns

[heavy vigil]

maybe even the vickers mark b

[remote quarry]

get gun 2

[steel zephyr]

almost there

[remote quarry]

also you need more than 1 on support

with the template you are running

[past stone]

good finnish division

[steel zephyr]

world

[past stone]

what is happening in brazil

[heavy vigil]

this is like me telling a child 'maybe look left and right before crossing a road' and the answer being 'i must study infrastructure now...'

[heavy vigil]

like no, you just have to look at the game and engage with the mathematics that are the core of all game mechanics

[steel zephyr]

commie civil war i think

[heavy vigil]

and the math is just like

1 attack has a 4% hit chance unless its countered by a defense then it has a 1% hit chance

[steel zephyr]

leningrad crazily open

[past stone]

maybe his dreams went too far

[simple vine]

nuh uh from my perspective this seems like some plutonian language

[steel zephyr]

no clue how intel actually works but i managed to set this up

[simple vine]

now i have to figure out what hardness, naval invade, land facility is

man..

[simple vine]

looks like a cobweb to me

[dusky burrow]

Okay seriously

no doctrines means that we don't know what it looks like with doctrines, which at the stage of modern tanks you should have completed

[steel zephyr]

oh boy

yeah maybe i shouldnt have gone fascist

[slim nexus]

I made all kaiserreich map frlm memory

[dusky burrow]

modern tanks suck because you get a lot of soft attack from extra turrets, which have literally no downsides other than IC and medium tanks get 2

but modern tanks get none

[dusky burrow]

Hardness is how much of hard attack you take (so if you have 70% hardness you take 70% attack from hard attack) but you get hit with less soft attack the more hardness you have (so you'd take 30% in that case)

[simple vine]

i get that

[dusky burrow]

what casey means by can't naval invade is that your amphibious terrain bonus isn't high enough

[simple vine]

wait wait?!

you can naval invade with ground troops

[dusky burrow]

Yeah you can

What else are you going to naval invade with? Helicopters?

Or paratroopers?

[simple vine]

i usually switch everything with paratroopers

[dusky burrow]

I mean, fair, but yes you can naval invade with other troops too

[simple vine]

neat

so if i use the amphibous tank alongsiode marines and mountenairs i might be able to naval invade

[supple kettle]

use 30 width marines and it shhould work ez

[icy egret]

set the intel network to silent so they keep the network but dont get captured

[slim nexus]

Kaiserrc

[icy egret]

okay?

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, but the typical template is like 7 marines 11 mountaineers 1 medium tank with medium flame tank and pioneers

[simple vine]

ig this clarifies some stuff but i'll figure it out soon enough

[dusky burrow]

Or there's the 13 marines 5 medium tank template

[simple vine]

also @heavy vigil one day i will conquere the arabian paninsula as saudi on im

[dusky burrow]

with the same support companies

[simple vine]

i see

[steel zephyr]

interesting...

[fossil olive]

How do I update to the latest version? My friend is in a different version

[warped flint]

should I play switzerland or germany

[late plover]

Greenland world conquest is real

[warped flint]

Right click hoi4 in steam, click properties

[fervent minnow]

this is a GREAT idea wtf imma do this

[warped flint]

Then click betas

[fervent minnow]

are you using the better generic focus tree mod

or just plain

[warped flint]

then select none

[late plover]

No mods or dlc

[fossil olive]

Thank you

[fervent minnow]

how's that even fun at that point

i'll do this with a better generic focus tree mod, def

[late plover]

(me playing with no mods or dlc)

[fervent minnow]

thanks for the idea

[warped flint]

np

[late plover]

The generic Focus tree is pretty bonkers, especially with The new doctrines

You can get 13% manpower from countries with it without going scraping The barrel of something

[steel zephyr]

allied-danubian war...

[fervent minnow]

my problem with it is just that, it's so limited as to what you can do lowkeniuenly

[late plover]

The industry path is really bad

3 military factories and that's it...

But there's research bonuses to weapons and a lot of military experience ☝️

I like playing with generic focus tree countries, less stuff to think about and to keep track of

[heavy vigil]

the regular generic tree is OP

you get gun 3 in 1939

the factory spawn ins are definitely enough tho maybe lacking if youre a bit larger

[late plover]

https://tenor.com/view/telepathy-mind-reader-psychic-gif-16262705097218086291

[heavy vigil]

the political tree gives you 3% recruitable pop, 400 weekly manpower or 20% mil speed

[late plover]

This Guy gets it

[heavy vigil]

well i know how to play most nations to some degree so ive used it before

[late plover]

Trying to do something as Greenland rn

[heavy vigil]

i should try greenland

[late plover]

You gotta start a civil war in Canada so you can steal some places from the rebels from The coastline. Then you can start a civil war in the USA too and get close enough to the weak latin american countries with your ships.

(The strat i have in my head rn)

[fervent minnow]

theres a mod that's

uh

was it better generic focus tree redux

something like that

it makes damn sure you have as much content as a major

i'd say use that but your choice

[sly elm]

imagine losing to a minor nation

[fervent minnow]

TÜRKİYE MENTİONED 🇹🇷

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[steel zephyr]

tuff

[fervent minnow]

işte bu adamım

[heavy vigil]

hmm

idk how long itd take to build a navy for naval invasions

[sly elm]

ig

[heavy vigil]

you do have aluminium i believe

[sly elm]

depends per nation

[heavy vigil]

greenland

[sly elm]

i just stole the french fleet

[fervent minnow]

do y'all think the new DLC makes the navy system better

[sly elm]

5 million bajilion years

[fervent minnow]

lowk i'm in favor

[heavy vigil]

nah

[fervent minnow]

the naval dominance thing is much better

[late plover]

You can get just enough stuff from the USA with 2 civs to get 3 dockyards on building early heavy boats for sea control points

[sly elm]

i still dont understand navy but whatever im doing is working

[late plover]

Takes a long Time for each one though

[fervent minnow]

just put them on patrol and it's enough

[heavy vigil]

ofc

[fervent minnow]

with the new system

[sly elm]

or naval invasion if u naval invade

[fervent minnow]

yeah for shore bombardement

[heavy vigil]

hmm

[fervent minnow]

i'd do two fleets, one on patrol other on naval invasion support

[sly elm]

more than that i just dont understand

[fervent minnow]

thats how you get as much efficiency

[fervent minnow]

do you know ship designs?

yeah okay

[sly elm]

i just mainly steal from france and thats good enough

[fervent minnow]

i mean i do but damn is it boring to make a fleet

[fervent minnow]

just do like a ton of cheap destroyers, some antisub destroyers and attack light cruisers, with subs

it always worked for me

DONT build battleships though

those suck ass in this game

i mean you could do carriers i guess

but i'm against it

waste of material imo

[sly elm]

zamn my divisions took a beating from that invasion

yes you can get german officers in türkiye with best DLC that paradox has released

[dusky burrow]

You're missing your tank design

Or something

[fervent minnow]

is it that one uh

invite german officers to izmir

focus

[dusky burrow]

Because that soft attack can be achieved by just doing a normal 38 width template

[heavy vigil]

hans luck iirc

[sly elm]

integrate german officers into army

[fervent minnow]

also BoFB is NOT the best DLC, by far dude

i mean i'm a turk and even i think our focus tree sucks

[heavy vigil]

it has turkiye

[fervent minnow]

i know but it's overcomplicated as shit

[heavy vigil]

nah but bulgaria is fun tho

[sly elm]

it has türkiye

[late plover]

They glazed Finland so hard as a nation for this game (i'm Finnish)

[heavy vigil]

bulgaria unironically kinda great

greece mid

turkiye bad but like can be fun for long ish games

[fervent minnow]

it couldve been much better, there's literally almost nothing for saving Atatürk

[sly elm]

the turkish dlc doesnt have historical tho, thats my only complaint

[late plover]

Weak middle eastern neighbours dopamine maxxing

[fervent minnow]

and also you have to wait until 1940 to do jackshit, which i kinda get but still

it's also LONG

like not wide,

LONG

it couldve been done better imo

[sly elm]

get the atatürk's fortune mod, it adds a ton for being a mod that ''just lets ataturk survive''

[fervent minnow]

will do

i've played with better turkey+ and that has some schizo paths

not some, a lot actually

[sly elm]

allows you to steal cyprus from whoever and actually lets you do misak ı milli

[late plover]

Communist China Focus tree does absolutely nothing, The only good things about it are The focuses that reduce infantry equipment production costs, still, communist China is so nice to play as

[sly elm]

instead of just deporting you from your faction

[fervent minnow]

dude misakı milli in base game SUCKS

like wtf man

[dusky burrow]

turkey xd

[fervent minnow]

you just get an event

[sly elm]

it just deports you from the faction

[fervent minnow]

and thats it

yeah

[fervent minnow]

🇹🇷 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[warped flint]

Hmm.... I want to kill germany but I have a small concern that if I just abandon my cores scattered across the world that I would capitualte...

[sly elm]

we arent fat birds

[late plover]

https://youtu.be/YT-nfr7I47E?si=a17BK5duThKHs_iK

[warped flint]

Literally everyone is in the axis

its crazy

[remote quarry]

hmm how about taking the german cores quickly

it's all in here

[warped flint]

I can try that

[heavy vigil]

paradrop

CAS

[warped flint]

Then with just germanys allies its not much of a threat then

[warped flint]

I can just battleplan

I have like a SHIT, ton of aircraft

[heavy vigil]

no

you have to complicate it

[sly elm]

everyone is at war with everyone

[heavy vigil]

tank offensive +paras + cas

cap them ASAP

new challenge for you cap germany as fast as possible from war dec

[warped flint]

I only have inf and air

[heavy vigil]

works

[warped flint]

but luckily I have lots of air

[heavy vigil]

also dont you start with tank tech

idk if you researched arty

[warped flint]

I have a little

researchd

[heavy vigil]

yeah ur fine

you dont need 38 mediums

[warped flint]

wait where the HELL, did I get all these tanks bro

[sour nymph]

guys fun country to play as a beginner? tried ussr last night and germany smashed me

[heavy vigil]

communist china is fun

[late plover]

Any latin American country

[heavy vigil]

true

[sour nymph]

maaaaaaaaaaaao zedong

[sour nymph]

mm maybe

[late plover]

https://youtu.be/mN9f5Y1tjco?si=qoOiX1Bt4oI_xg4d

[sour nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/mao-mao-speech-maoism-mao-zedong-mao-ze-dong-gif-169500032197840655

[warped flint]

Wait what air doctrines are best

[sour nymph]

i think mao zedong has the most clapped hairline of all time

[late plover]

Latin America is very peaceful through The entire game, none of them have crazy Air forces or Naval stuff to worry about either, perfect for a beginner

[sour nymph]

ima be france

nvm ima be germany for the 100th time in a row

is 9 infantry 2 art for an infantry division good?

[inland falcon]

ur prolly fine. the germans dont really do naval invasions i've found

even if you have to abandon india, you've still got north america, australia and britain

it wouldn't be hard to station a few troops next to panama

garrison the UK though, italy might naval invade

[warped flint]

Italys died

Btw I have like all nations navysw

I stole everything

[inland falcon]

oh wait yeah

[sour nymph]

guys is autarky for germany bad

or good

[warped flint]

Good if you capitualte the allies before 41

[sour nymph]

o

[inland falcon]

yeah you'll be fine then. even if you lose all of africa, india and france + italy you still wouldn't cap

[warped flint]

concerned that I wont be able to battleplan this, probably just paranoid tho

my air should be good

[inland falcon]

i love the AI in peace deals lmao

[steel zephyr]

tuff

[sour nymph]

ts tuff

when do yall start producing tanks as germany

[warped flint]

huh

[sour nymph]

if i have support art, do i need actual art in the template

[inland falcon]

not really no

[sour nymph]

thank you

why does this armored support vehicle thing keep showing up do i need it

[dusky burrow]

Are they like 36-width infantry?

[warped flint]

17 width

[dusky burrow]

No then

[warped flint]

Ngl I should have done that then

broke through in the south

I am killing 100 german planes a day

[gentle briar]

what british formable is the best?

[heavy vigil]

empire

[gentle briar]

thats from reinforce the empire right?

[onyx spear]

giant focus tree brah

[warped flint]

Alright, now I am being messed up cause the frontline ai is not working

and caused me to get encircled

its not even trying to move divisions north

[gentle briar]

if i go down kings party willthe dominations break free?

[warped flint]

Yeah

[gentle briar]

so i cant go reinforce the empire and kings party?

[warped flint]

You can still go reinforce the empire

[gentle briar]

i i wont get cores on the dominations

[warped flint]

You will

[gentle briar]

hmmm

[steel zephyr]

holy pocket

[sour nymph]

im going infantry only germany now screw these tanks

[steel zephyr]

narvik pocket mopped

[split fulcrum]

does anyone know any fantasy conversion mods for hoi4?

[inland falcon]

Which mod is this

[gentle briar]

does going down kings party do a civil war or reform?

[sour nymph]

what dlc has the prussian infantry?

[inland falcon]

It's just reform iirc

The fascists and communists can come to power peacefully or through civil war but the king only comes to power peacefully

[shrewd sierra]

are the servers baack on?

[warped flint]

reform

Bro the game literally froze just to tell me I caught a iranian spy

[steel zephyr]

latvia lwk tuffer than sweden and norway to fight

[split fulcrum]

I know there's that my little pony one

[shrewd sierra]

sounds like skill issue

break through valmiera, it has no forts and less than half supplied troops

[steel zephyr]

already have

tuff

[warped flint]

bro crimea sucks

[lime python]

is this a good template

[steel zephyr]

jumped

its time

[kind reef]

I accidentally deleted all my HOI4 saves

[vital cove]

no

[steel zephyr]

and the soviets... give up?!

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[steel zephyr]

decided to just invade the soviets myself

[onyx spear]

this is a vatican city mod which got featured for no step bacj

[gentle briar]

i was wondering how i got 64% with 2k casualties but then i saw i sunk almost 4k ships

[knotty vortex]

Continue the new deal or Reestablish the gold standard for US

whats better

[steel zephyr]

petrozavodsk still standing

[grizzled zenith]

Yay

[steel zephyr]

boom

uh oh

[grizzled zenith]

European Union? XD

[steel zephyr]

free moscow

[toxic cypress]

what mod?

i can see a indian flag

[steel zephyr]

whoops

[toxic cypress]

thats not the normal commonwealth flag

[molten forge]

anyone doing mp ig

[eternal palm]

#alt-history-multiplayer

[mental stag]

I would say no, but if you're playing with a minor country then maybe yes?

So it mostly depends on year + the country you're playing with, you can send different screenshots of new templates if you want

Tag me if you have any questions, I'll help if I can

[finite plume]

"We'll be ready in no time!"

[lethal ether]

0 armor

[molten forge]

the brits and the french have betrayed me

i shall turn to fascism in hopes of a new ally

[whole edge]

Shoudl i start making mediums? Im only using lights cuz i cant be bothered to make 2 types

[molten forge]

are you doing space marines?

[whole edge]

No just tryna play basic yk

[molten forge]

ooh

what nation

[whole edge]

Currently germany tryna world conquest

[eternal palm]

It's best to use medium spgs yea

And yea also don't make 2 types of tanks unless they are for support companies

[whole edge]

Spgs are tank destoyers right?

[eternal palm]

Nope, they are the artillery one

[whole edge]

Ohh why them?

[eternal palm]

Cuz they are simply better than normal tanks

[whole edge]

Ok ill try them

But i wanna retain some historical accuracy for rp u know?

[fair horizon]

what makes them better btw?

[eternal palm]

If you wanna larp then go larp idc

But that's not what you really need advice for 🤷‍♂️

[whole edge]

Yea im just asking ty ig

[eternal palm]

This game isn't exactly historically accurate neither is it trying to be

[strong belfry]

when is that line will be availibe

[toxic cypress]

pain

ts never gon end

[eternal palm]

Whats your grand doctrine

[strong belfry]

gbp

[eternal palm]

Then finish your inf and support subdoctrines

[strong belfry]

if i finish only inf is it will be enough

[eternal palm]

Hover over them and see idk which one it was

[misty fossil]

RAAH 3000 SOFT ATTACK TANK

[misty fossil]

gooberdammerung

gooberpammerung

[eternal palm]

Noooo

[misty fossil]

great british pound

[eternal palm]

😭

Fk off

[patent thistle]

too good that if you intergrate puppets in millenium dawn you get cores

funny now is that i have full cores also now on base china cause taiwan

[toxic cypress]

YUMMERS

i got so much encirclements in germany on this run

96 encirclements

so beautiful

[prisma saddle]

there is someone who hoi4 goes fluid in kinda late game?

if yes what cpu

[eternal palm]

At some point hoi is gonna lag, just depends on when

[toxic cypress]

almost there

just gotta fight mega allies now...

[prisma saddle]

yea I know i changed my pc some days ago from 5600g to a rx6650 and i some stuttering in zoom and movimento in the map

[eternal palm]

That's gpu though

You asked for CPU

[agile perch]

Ok

[frozen lion]

Oh I wouldn't say ''freed'', more like, under new management

[prisma saddle]

yea my cpu is the 5600

[eternal palm]

Oh so you have a CPU with integrated graphics alr

Ye that's not too bad

[pale flare]

why are you not using field marshals

[eternal palm]

I played on an r5 3600x for years

[toxic cypress]

i am

i just ran out

that army thats expanded

is a new army

[pale flare]

promote

[toxic cypress]

i need more cp

that sounds wrong

i need more command power

[pale flare]

you have 255

[toxic cypress]

anyway

[toxic cypress]

i got lucky

my game germany

max cored its path

so now i get max core german

[pale flare]

whats this

can i see your focus tree?

[eternal palm]

Exactly what it says lol?

[toxic cypress]

its the austrian path

[prisma saddle]

i am not at home now, this is the last photo in took

[pale flare]

when i did left path i didnt have that option

[toxic cypress]

you cant core eastern germany unless germany does it

[pale flare]

did you do otto von habsurg or his uncle?

[toxic cypress]

liechenstein

alios

[balmy spindle]

Bro Isn't Winning This

[pale flare]

its possible

[toxic cypress]

i wil

its not hard

i just need to prep tanks

and hardlines

[pale flare]

its just kinda tedious

[toxic cypress]

so i can hold some lines and just delete the rest

[pale flare]

ive won a 1 versus whole world by just letting em run out of manpower

[toxic cypress]

also im saving it

for my new army

[toxic cypress]

it isnt

cause im gonna have 160mil cores

once i core germany

gonna just need to rush western europe

get hre

form new germany

and with 200mil i can just steam roll rest

im also invading the free chinese states for my china puppet to get more chinese manpower units

also i have generals but im saving them for the habsburg personal army

[sour flint]

are servers working again?

[hoary mortar]

hi

have a good weekend all!

[whole edge]

U too man

[pseudo raven]

i guess it's not enpugh civs in quee

[whole edge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-dancing-dancing-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-dancing-gif-3717772640009073571

[toxic cypress]

THE AUSTRIAN NAVY IS BACK BABY

[fair horizon]

they had a navy?

[pseudo raven]

yes parked in linz in river

[toxic cypress]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Navy

[copper sluice]

should I build rocket artillery late game

[toxic cypress]

b4 they fell off

the super wall

[eternal palm]

Nah

It's shit

[copper sluice]

ok what wepaons shjould I give my modern tank

[toxic cypress]

atleast they tried

[eternal palm]

Don't bother with modern tanks at all

Basic or improved chassis is all you need

[fair horizon]

modern tanks big suck

[eternal palm]

Moderns get no stats

[fair horizon]

they're mediumd but more expensive

[copper sluice]

well I already have researched them so might as well use them

how do I get the gas turbine engine?

[fair horizon]

or just dont

[eternal palm]

Well then you just wasted a bunch of research time 🤷‍♂️

[eternal palm]

Engine 4 upgrade

[coral gorge]

well they have more reliability, more speed, more armor, and can equip fancy heavy guns to compensate

it is fine

I used to like swapping to it in ultimate late game in Kaiserreich because ffs I didn't have MIO for the heavy

thankfully light TD has gotten funni

[fair horizon]

even with heavy guns it doesnt get better stats though

[copper sluice]

I have that and its not showing up

[fair horizon]

like armor is about it but 100+ armor isnt gonna change in its effectiveness

[eternal palm]

Weird

Is it in electronics?

[fair horizon]

they're also like 2:3 ic for an improved medium vs modern

[copper sluice]

I dont see it there

[eternal palm]

Damn

[copper sluice]

yea but ur forgetting the coolness factor

[coral gorge]

which is fine then, they are faster too

like their main issue isn't really cost per se

[eternal palm]

No clue then

[coral gorge]

just how late you get them

their stats weren't even bad before NCNS

[copper sluice]

is motorised military police good

[coral gorge]

now it is because med TD has enough break now

[fair horizon]

thats fair centurion model goes hard

[copper sluice]

do u guys ever use petrol electric

[coral gorge]

no

well maybe long ago

for the light tanks used for armored recon

[fair horizon]

i really only use gasoline unless im doing early heavies

and then ill use diesel because its not like they're going anywhere anyways

[torn rampart]

how do you get battery and fire control system

[copper sluice]

which of these should I use

[fair horizon]

either smoke or eextra ammo if you just want breakthrough armor skirts for armor and break at cost of ic and machinguns if you just want soft attack

[torn rampart]

now what about battery

[copper sluice]

like main battery?

[copper sluice]

ok I will take the autoloader because its cooler

[torn rampart]

idk

it just says battery

[copper sluice]

show screenshot

[copper sluice]

I have to research jet engines

since when has this tab existed

[coral gorge]

since before the beginning of time

well