hoi4-general

[ember dagger]

you don't sail?

[patent thistle]

the last DLC i will buy is by blood alone most likely because of the plane designer

[charred thistle]

idk if this goes in #ask-for-help-here but does anyone have a fun nation/path to play that isnt just repetitve or gets boring a bit?

[patent thistle]

isnt man the guns intergrated?

[ember dagger]

the other kind of sailing 😉

[fair horizon]

why am i not a major?

[patent thistle]

same reason why hungary sometimes becomes a major

gamelogic

[coral gorge]

Do fascist Macedonian Empire

Actually no

[charred thistle]

uhh

[coral gorge]

That’s unfun

[charred thistle]

(i have 80-90 hours)

[patent thistle]

no shit

[fair horizon]

is it because i entered a war or something?

[patent thistle]

you basically have to do a world conquest

[charred thistle]

please spare me

[coral gorge]

You can actually avoid fighting Axis

But only them

[patent thistle]

doesnt italy come for your ass?

[coral gorge]

Nah they ignore you if you have nonaggression pact with Germany

[charred thistle]

i think i could do austria hungary again? idk

i dont have any dlc

OH I KNOW

i might do the entire world is shatterd

and then play smth and try to reunite smth idk

[patent thistle]

do habsburg at territorial peak (including stuff like the austrian netherlands and spain)

[charred thistle]

i know youre german and this is unrelated but can your name be translated to english

oberkommando is like over commander

that i know

[patent thistle]

High command of the Heer i am pretty sure if said in english

[charred thistle]

ok danke

[charred thistle]

hasburg at territorial peak is basiclly austria hunary right?

(idk much before ww2)

[toxic cypress]

FINALLY ive been waiting for this

i was waiting for the commies to lose their hold of west europe now i can bandwagon the allies

and get free land i have cores on

[patent thistle]

austria hungary, the former spanish empire, and most of germany (i am talking about austria hungary but gain the lands of its territrial peak of the habsburg dynasty)

[charred thistle]

what the actual hell am i looking at 😭

[quasi osprey]

how strong is this alliance🤔

[toxic cypress]

commies won like crazy

but i just waited to usa and england figured out how to win

so i can get corews

[patent thistle]

look at the US

[charred thistle]

ok

ill try

[quasi osprey]

wdym

[charred thistle]

i hate communism

[viscid swift]

guys can i somehow naval invade without naval supremacy because for gods sake independent canada for some reason guaranteed damn POLAND

[charred thistle]

hoi4 random bullshit is peak

[patent thistle]

half of the world litterally gets the option to instandly join the allies

[charred thistle]

ok bye guys

[molten forge]

these gay italians are helping yugo after yugo betrayed them

[quasi osprey]

thats true

[fair horizon]

nope navy building time

[patent thistle]

do carrier spam

[viscid swift]

oh for FU-

[patent thistle]

ez naval supremacy

[toxic cypress]

beauty

[viscid swift]

i need range not supremacy nesseserily

it will be a later problem

[patent thistle]

carriers have a large range

[viscid swift]

a panzerschiff has double the range

[patent thistle]

forgot about that part

[viscid swift]

hold on i forgot the panzerschiff could actually reach it...

im so stupid

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

(sorry had to)

easy influence on russia

[toxic cypress]

so beautiful

HOLYYYY

[patent thistle]

north korea also now intergrated

i now have a lot of shit-

[zealous wind]

are servers working ?

[fair horizon]

its over

[grizzled yarrow]

which one is the best yall

[patent thistle]

either you go communist and unite iberia or you go monarchy to gain brazil for free (if you wait a little)

[grizzled yarrow]

went communist for iberia

[patent thistle]

those are really the only viable paths for portugal

[grizzled yarrow]

where do i expand afterwards

[patent thistle]

france

[grizzled yarrow]

they will join allies tho]

[patent thistle]

wait till it becomes vichy

and then you only have to fight the axis

ez

[grizzled yarrow]

hhhhhh

i dont think i can fight em as portugal sob

[patent thistle]

prepare then go against the axis

the axis will invade you eventually anyways

[fair horizon]

do you need every tile to make china surrender?

[patent thistle]

either operation isabella or the focus that gives wargoals against every communist nation

[grizzled yarrow]

il js defend till dday

[grizzled yarrow]

oh shoot

civil war

yeah i dont think i can win this

[reef verge]

Yeah, you are going to fight it for 3 more years

[fair horizon]

well i dont have 3 years

im not a major and the usa is breathing down japan's neck

[patent thistle]

if you lose youre gay

just lock in

[fair horizon]

idk about you but im 90% sure they'd be done for

like chonqing and chengdu is gone

[grizzled yarrow]

i cant win both my civil war and defendagainst nationalist spain with 7 divisions gng]

[fair horizon]

but some little village is apparently good enough

[fair horizon]

beat yours first and then get spain to help you

[patent thistle]

jus wait until the s1mp stalin arrives to help ya

[fair horizon]

you went commie right?

[patent thistle]

ye he is commie

for some reason stalin tho even likes to sometimes help me when i play germany so-

[fair horizon]

commie portugal 💪

literally the better way to fight that whole spanish civil war thing

[patent thistle]

monarchist portugal makes you stronger at the start tho

[grizzled yarrow]

im finished

[patent thistle]

and you dont have to deal with spain if you dont want to

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

(sorry had to)

[grizzled yarrow]

dawg the nationalists will bulldoze me

[patent thistle]

just hold lisbon and the sorounding states

thats usually what i do if i do commie portugal

although you did kinda already lose my favorite line so.

[grizzled yarrow]

sooo defend lisbon?

[patent thistle]

ye usually i also use the tiles sorounding it

[grizzled yarrow]

what inf template do u use btw

[patent thistle]

i doupt during a civilwar you really can change it

[grizzled yarrow]

wait

[patent thistle]

for portugal i usually go tanks

[grizzled yarrow]

what if i use the 2w arti cheesing strat

[atomic wolf]

maybe france isnt that bad of a country havin hungary as a puppet is gonna give me a good front against the riech

whoops i annexted austria mb

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/spong-funny-gif-24911245

[atomic wolf]

why

[patent thistle]

hating france is a universal european thing, and i am austrian

[grizzled yarrow]

how on earth u get austria.

[atomic wolf]

a italian civil war happened and hungary and austria joined so i kinda had to give them a beating

[patent thistle]

just to remind you that collective punishment is a war crime

and you dont have the canadian pass

[atomic wolf]

no i meant by invading them

i am not wasting money on the dlcs yet anyway

[patent thistle]

i only really have no step back (bought) and that one south american DLC (gifted)

by blood alone is what i aim for next due to the plane designer

[atomic wolf]

i was planning to free austria as a puppet so they'll have there own army and can join me to invade germany

[patent thistle]

we still hate fr*nce

[atomic wolf]

ok il do brutal oppression on austria then

[patent thistle]

dont really care we always hate fr*nce same with the rest of europe

[atomic wolf]

ok

[patent thistle]

even the Fr*nch hate themselvs

[atomic wolf]

il just invade all europe

[molten forge]

czechslovakia pretty strong nation

[atomic wolf]

since im from there imma keep them

[molten forge]

you played it right?

[patent thistle]

its not just a european thing

[patent thistle]

hes fr*nce

[atomic wolf]

yes

go check my previous message

about the country im playing as

[slim nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/997853345219874937/1459280309601435729/caption.gif?ex=6962b431&is=696162b1&hm=6d990bd78b4d7a0b3a23dac1434c1cfc3c7c26f84f8be1f771c1f7605e6b024b&

[patent thistle]

restored japanese empire is real

[icy wyvern]

too bad the japanese empire don’t have any cool formable nations tho

w or L?

[fair horizon]

CHAT IM DOING IT

YES RED BUBBLE

LAST THINGY THEY OWN

HOW

dutch is not a real language

just die china

ok i hate this game ngl

HOW IS THIS CONSIDERED A MAJOR?

i hate this game sometimes

im not a major but a country with a total of LESS THAN 20 FACTORIES IS

so now that someone completely unrelated to the war is fighting japan im going to lose when they die

im done playing this game until the australia dlc comes out

[sage plover]

who else loves when ethiopia survives and constantly harrasses your colonial empire here?

[grizzled yarrow]

Ok i dont like portugal

[fair horizon]

why not?

[grizzled yarrow]

Idk

I js wanna play spain

[fair horizon]

so btw if a country gets conquered and you end up factionless because of it they hate you for being a faction traitor

[grizzled yarrow]

Can the spanish civil war be cheesed like the russian one?

[tiny tartan]

No because you cannot change units

[grizzled yarrow]

Change them before the civil war

The ai wont change em again

[tiny tartan]

Well you can't

[grizzled yarrow]

Pardon?

[tiny tartan]

You can't delete them, modify them, or anything

[grizzled yarrow]

FU

Il just have to suffer

[remote quarry]

yes but not really in the same way

because most of the units were spawn-ins

you can search on youtube

but normally playing and winning the war isn't too hard either

just contest the correct states and remove unplanned

[grizzled yarrow]

I see

[tiny tartan]

On another note
Why is the warsaw uprising designed in such a way that makes it never fire in historical, and requires the player to do super specific shit, just for it to fire, and instantly retake all of Poland?
Couldn't it just spawn like 3 shitty millitias in Warsaw? Could be even a normal focus, since Poland has a capitulation focus tree

[grizzled yarrow]

Last time i did the civil war i got cooked 🤞

[remote quarry]

which side

[grizzled yarrow]

Anarchist

[remote quarry]

oh that's slightly harder

but in general you just need to keep clicking decisions

[tiny tartan]

Honestly if you're either Nationalists or Republicans it's usually quite easy, but taking funnier shit like Carlists or Anarchists usually brings suffering

[grizzled yarrow]

Should i do nationalist to get used to the civil war and after that i do anarchist?

[remote quarry]

and concentrate your good divisions to push and encircle in places without unplanned offensive

[remote quarry]

nationalist should be easier

but no just try again

republican is not that hard either

[grizzled yarrow]

I dont think anyone plays republicans 💔

[grizzled yarrow]

Eh i might still do nationalist to side with the germans

[remote quarry]

well if you wanna play anarchist

[tiny tartan]

Btw I once played Anarchists, got here, and then I LOST the civil war, cuz nationalists just had so many units I got overrun

[grizzled yarrow]

So its just trying to encircle as many units as possible

[tiny tartan]

Once the carlists capped, Franco just marched forward

[fair horizon]

just do the gun buying focus and then press it every time its up

you'll win by guns alone

[remote quarry]

and don't battleplan

[grizzled yarrow]

But carlist dont pop in hist tho?

[remote quarry]

they could if franco doesn't do focus in time

if they can't consolidate the north

[tiny tartan]

Well I played ahistorical
Also idk what happens when you pick ahistorical spain choices

Since when you go ahistorical on historical, ai tends to go ahistorical as well
for example Hitler might do danzig for slovakia

[grizzled yarrow]

Spain works best in ahist since in hist ur just too weak to do much

[tiny tartan]

Spain overall is just terrible
Very little reason to actually play Spain

[fair horizon]

spain is horrible unless you can win your civil war by 1937

and even then its still a minor

[remote quarry]

works best in mp

with all the trade

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

Idk i js wanna try to find a cool country to main and spain seems kinda interesting

[tiny tartan]

do people even play vanilla mp
I feel like hoi4 is such a broken laggy mess you can only play it with mods

Also I never played public lobbies, but If i did, I imagine I'd get crushed by some guy who knows all the best designs while I just spam interwar planes

[remote quarry]

try poland

[remote quarry]

there are vanilla mods

[grizzled yarrow]

No.

[remote quarry]

better than spain for sure

[tiny tartan]

Dude try Poland it's great

[grizzled yarrow]

I played it and cant defeat the soviets

At all

[tiny tartan]

Well if they have a civil war it's easier for sure
And go like a monarchy or something, those are powerful

[grizzled yarrow]

I played almost every path but the outcome was the same

[tiny tartan]

Never go nationalist or sanacja, absolute garbage paths
I always play either monarchist or communist

[tiny tartan]

Well I never really had the issue of the soviets bothering me, and if they did, it was usually late enough for me to be prepared

[remote quarry]

that's the neat part

learn the game

sanacja is good

just don't do nationalist

[grizzled yarrow]

I always feel prepared just for the soviets to bring twice as many troops

[tiny tartan]

Sanacja feels even worse than Nationalists
Nationalists just go away with the opposition with one focus, while Sanacja threatens a civil war if you don't play that stupid mini game

[grizzled yarrow]

I use the same basic 18w inf design the outcome dosent change

[remote quarry]

the bonuses are very powerful

infinite manpower

left has a focus with old special force advisor

ok in the new version it's less useful

since you don't need as much army xp

[tiny tartan]

turning fascist is powerful
though I guess monarchy can turn you fascist too, and easier

[grizzled yarrow]

Whats that path tho i never seen it

[remote quarry]

in the old version it's necessary to have full mass mob doctrine by war

[grizzled yarrow]

Most people play the romanov path anyway

[remote quarry]

well yeah cossack king is the best path

I agree

[remote quarry]

it's the historical path

[grizzled yarrow]

Ohhh

[tiny tartan]

I hate that the romanov path exists
I wish that a pan-slavic Poland was its own seperate path, not a shitty meme path

[remote quarry]

romanov is relatively weaker

[grizzled yarrow]

Fr

[grizzled yarrow]

I just play the romanian path cuz... Yk...

Free real estate

[tiny tartan]

And it's not like we did not have a philosopher at the time who would fit the path
Jan Stachniuk, a pan-slavic nationalist philosopher, who wrote many books, and had his own movement, could lead a path like this
He's in the Red Flood mod

[tiny tartan]

Idk the Romanian path just feels like weaker Hasburg, but Hitler doesn't bother you with his demands

[grizzled yarrow]

Wdym

He still asks for danzing and stuff

[tiny tartan]

He does not ask for Sudetenland if you don't own it, right?

Czechoslovakia seems just better than Romania to me
Maybe if you want Romanian oil, but I always prefered the Czechs

[grizzled yarrow]

Do u even get a war goal with the chechz from that path?

[tiny tartan]

You get to core it the same way you core Romania

With it getting a monarchist civil war

[grizzled yarrow]

With what path again?

[tiny tartan]

Habsburg

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

[remote quarry]

well the point of playing poland is to kill germany

afterall

romanian path is too funny for me

[grizzled yarrow]

Its hard to kill it before killing the soviets

[remote quarry]

prefer cossack king

[remote quarry]

it's easier

you don't need to go as far

and you don't need to triple collab them

and you can get a defensive war if you want

[grizzled yarrow]

I keep trying but i keep failing gng

[tiny tartan]

Also Poland-Romania gives you such a stupid border
You are connected to Romania with like 2 provinces, and your border is really stretches out

[grizzled yarrow]

I get prussia and focus on the rest of germany but the line dosent hold

[remote quarry]

if I need to give any hint

it would be that do your industry focus

on monarchist path you do the first two focus then do industry exclusively until you get the king

and research gun 2 and put as many factory on gun as you could

regardless of the path you should always have like 200 divisions by war

[grizzled yarrow]

So just focus on spamming inf div?

[remote quarry]

yes

[grizzled yarrow]

Reg 18w?

[remote quarry]

it's fine

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

[remote quarry]

make sure you have support anti air and artillery

[grizzled yarrow]

Alr well i hope i dont have to push past the urals

[remote quarry]

and hard tech 1939 gun day 1

[remote quarry]

that's why you kill germany first

[grizzled yarrow]

Do u even get 200 div by then 🤞

[tiny tartan]

Do collabs on soviets to avoid silly situations when upon taking all the big 3 cities, they have like 82% towards capitulation

doing 3 collab government missions on soviets drops their surrender limit by 30%, and gives you 100% compliance on all their states upon annexation

[grizzled yarrow]

Hmmm

[remote quarry]

on any path you could

ofc it's an overkill

so you can survive with less

[grizzled yarrow]

How many mils onto anti air and arti

5?

[remote quarry]

the ratio is roughly 1 artillery : 2 AA: 8 gun

something like that

just do the math and figure it out yourself, look at your template and the IC cost

[grizzled yarrow]

Honestly with like 100 something divisions u should be able to kill em

[remote quarry]

yes

ai is stupid

[grizzled yarrow]

A few encirclements and theyr done

Alr il act try this tomorrow

Il go for cossack to make my life easier

[remote quarry]

a trick you can do is to release lithuania as a puppet then you can directly do the coring focus

[finite nacelle]

wasnt looking for a second😭

[sudden thistle]

Bit more than a second

But the micro can get crazy lol

[west owl]

Hoi4 on console when?

[lilac glen]

Why am I failing to break the French line while invading Poland was easy~

[icy crescent]

Console versions often get another engine
Thus HOI4 could actually run faster there.

[sage plover]

best hre game ive had in a while

[cedar kite]

Unironically is better if you then encircle their divs so then you dint have to be fighting in the Alps trying to capture every tile for them to surrender

Makes it easier to snake when their divs are trapped

[raw crater]

Xd

When i play as germany

[heavy vigil]

👀

[raw crater]

Oof

Dont

U didnt saw this

Btw will hoi4 add horst wessel to hoi4 music pack?

[fair horizon]

probably overkill tbh

[west owl]

Console wen?

[icy crescent]

Eh. Unlikely.

[fair horizon]

how do i have 120 planes in this battle? i only have a single converted cruiser in it

do other carriers in range not need to be in the battle to use their planes?

[sage plover]

lads, do i betray the british and attack them?

[fair horizon]

as who?

[sage plover]

HRE

[fair horizon]

yes

[sage plover]

they;

wait

they left my faction!

the cheeky mf's

[fair horizon]

thats an act of war

[sage plover]

exactly

boutta make a greater scottish state

460 ships should be enough

ngl im shocked how smoothly this game has went

its "Liberation"

im liberating the welsh, scottish and spanish

[finite nacelle]

i just added italy and because they barely have any troops there he capitulated them

also this look like bird migerting

[old lake]

we are invading Michigan

[finite nacelle]

depend if you have the navy to do it. also what could you have possibly used to take that photo

[sage plover]

i run my PC off a potato

ive essentially min-maxed the settings to run hoi4 slightly smoothly

on hoi4 and my pc

also ive stole the ships of everyone i can

400 ships

[umbral smelt]

is there a single mod out there that makes russia playable

in any form or shape i dont care at this point

vanilla gwr and especially kaiserreich make it unplayable

10 pop ups at a time every 10 seconds

[sage plover]

?

[umbral smelt]

i am asking if there is a mod out there that simplifies russia

not dedicated to simplifying russia

[sage plover]

idk tbh, after the purges the soviets are pretty simple to play

[umbral smelt]

well the soviets sure even before the purges its mostly the generals that r annoying

im trying to run a kaiserreich russia game and its giving me so many pop ups and half of them arent even interactable

straight up fun facts

[sage plover]

OOH

i thought u ment like, the base game soviets when u were refering to russia

my bad, thats why i was abit confused lol

[umbral smelt]

i mean yeah it was regarding vanilla too but i like to try out mods and the mods ive tried to so far are straight nuances when it comes to russia

[finite nacelle]

hehe im rich

[sage plover]

I mean the purges arent too bad, just sacrifice the navy

and if your playing historical, just rush em down

[raw crater]

What do you all think about horst wessel lied?

[woeful flicker]

cade os brasileiro

[sage plover]

https://tenor.com/view/whothefuckstartsaconversation-gif-22983824

[sudden thistle]

what did bro do

[raw crater]

Nah

[fair horizon]

hehe

no more china cruisers

[sage plover]

are u playing greece?

[fair horizon]

centrist australia

[sage plover]

OOH

fair

[molten forge]

anyone wanna do poland and czech multiplayer

[sage plover]

very greece like flag

[umbral smelt]

i think wir sind des geyers is better

true banger

good thing i dont know german so i can enjoy it without even knowing what theyre saying so its political relevance isnt even relevant

[molten forge]

wanna do mp ig

[sage plover]

multiplayer?

[fair horizon]

i feel like britian during the napoleanic wars, blockading china

[raw crater]

Maybe

[fair horizon]

no more convoys for you china

[atomic wolf]

FINALLY bro

i also have mexico in it btw

[dawn marlin]

hoi4 when I try to do anything 😭

All adults serve btw

[atomic wolf]

yeah i was spending 4 hours fighting germany and Japan

mostly germany

[dawn marlin]

romania gorum or smth

And I cant use my fleet or anything cause I run out of oil in ten seconds 😡

[atomic wolf]

i love using my "allies" manpower for totally justified wars

only real ally i had was italy and czech

italy joining the war when i was about to lose then i suddenly start winning because german soldiers had the brain of a nut

[fair horizon]

usa why

[lilac glen]

OMFG, I HATE THIS GAME

I INVADED YUGOSLAVIA

YOU DIDN'T DO SHIT, ITALY

WHY DID YOU GET THE MOST RESOURCE RICH TERRITORY????????????

[molten forge]

I had Italy join right as my army was prepping for Greece today

I was playing czech

[molten forge]

Why you playing Italy, play czech

Better yet, play Albania (jk)

[fair horizon]

welp there goes this game

[molten forge]

Am blind what

[fair horizon]

all that red is usa/british controlled zones

im australia

[molten forge]

...

Ggs

You've played Czech tho, it's like Hella fun

[molten forge]

What achivment?

[lilac glen]

Frick it, I am editing the map

[molten forge]

You don't do ironman?

[lilac glen]

No one does ironman besides youtubers

[fair horizon]

none i just got screwed over in the japan/china war

[lilac glen]

[molten forge]

Am a YouTuber then

Cus I do ironman bruv

[molten forge]

Btw wanna play some czechslovakia

[fair horizon]

time to hunt the british fleets :)

[molten forge]

Today I realised how goated the focus tree is

[fair horizon]

im hunting their ships lmao, i got like 4 scouting cruisers in this fleet

[molten forge]

Gl, I am stupid in navy terms so I can't help

[fair horizon]

not going down without a fight

base strike my beloved ❤️

yummy usa ships

[fickle thicket]

skill issue

[fair horizon]

my destroyer :(

no fuel btw

[agile perch]

Okay thanks

[stuck inlet]

Don't ask about Czechoslovakia

Any tips on how to take Czechoslovakia, Stanislawow and Sudetenland?

I was trying to research tanks for a template lately

But something tells me that even then I won't be able to take Germany

Especially with my shitty airforce

[lilac glen]

I hate rebels

Seriously, what a painful mechanic

[fair horizon]

its over for fascist australia

[icy wyvern]

how can u see the full details of hoi4 focuses

like invite these countries to factions and six others. who are these six others?

anyone tell me please

[stuck inlet]

Idk but try checking by clicking on the focus and checking it's full description

[fair horizon]

who needs fuel anyways smh

[icy wyvern]

how?

[stuck inlet]

Well the description that pops up when you click on a focus

[icy wyvern]

yeah but still does not show the full

[stuck inlet]

Then idk

[icy wyvern]

who are these six others

[simple sparrow]

Hilarious !!!! Will bomb Japan

[warped aspen]

fat dlapger

[molten forge]

Anyone playing czech

[stuck inlet]

I told you to click on it

[molten forge]

Why are you french

[stuck inlet]

not just hover the mouse over it

[molten forge]

You teaching him?

[stuck inlet]

No cause I don't really know how to view nations labeled as "others", but I'm trying to atleast tell him where to look

since he asked for help

[molten forge]

Alr

[stuck inlet]

I myself am new

[molten forge]

Same kinda

I can try find a screenshot of my best run

[fair horizon]

found you >:)

so fuel is a non-issue lmao

ive had zero fuel this entire war

[molten forge]

This like my best run

@icy wyvern why France

[fair horizon]

NOOOOOOOO

THEY MADE ME LAME AND TOOK MY ISLANDS

the dumb idiots didnt see this though

[molten forge]

Australia again?

[fair horizon]

well yes but also no

they turned me democratic

just lost a war to the usa

well the allies really

i made them bleed for it though

[molten forge]

Maybe take a break from Australia

[fair horizon]

well i joined japan and they lost but when they lose they keep the war goal on indonesia, my puppet

[molten forge]

Ok

[fair horizon]

honestly though im probs gonna take a break from the game until they release the australia dlc

[molten forge]

Wait

Play some czechslovakia

[fair horizon]

ew no

[molten forge]

Why

[fair horizon]

lame country

no sea borders

no navy

big ew

[somber sinew]

mm

can confirm

no navy is a big no-no

[molten forge]

2000+ hours?

[somber sinew]

3000+

[molten forge]

Of course

Slovakia hating on Slovakia

[somber sinew]

you just gotta expand to get a navy

[molten forge]

It's not that hard to expand with Czech I think

[somber sinew]

not particularly

[molten forge]

You can do the path of your own faction and get Bulgaria and hungary

(annex goals)

[somber sinew]

You can fight hungary and Poland with romania (I did it in one game, with Germany killing me in 1938) i think

i haven't played the focus tree in a hot minute

[fair horizon]

i like this menu its a nice menu

[molten forge]

Am talking Czechoslovakia

[somber sinew]

yea

communist czechoslovakia can expand

[molten forge]

You can take Poland Hungary and Bulgaria easily

[somber sinew]

i meant romania and poland

[molten forge]

Own faction can also expand

[fair horizon]

trying to figure out the whole strike force thing btw, just kinda seems useless now?

[molten forge]

@fair horizon play Albanja it has sea access

Since navy seems to be the deciding factor lol

[fair horizon]

like it multiplies whats there but destroyers and cruisers are kinda big suck for naval dominance

[somber sinew]

actually you could run an entente of our own, then do the communist part of the focus tree, then invade run down to do the hungarian focus, then the romanian focus, and then the polish focus, then you can be just in time to fight the germans over the Sudetenland

[neat mantle]

90279835723831301

play a alt hist game, beginers welcin e

[molten forge]

Wanna see my 100 hour only ass that played czech

[somber sinew]

nah, but can we get a mod in Off-Topic

[molten forge]

No need

NGL I was thinking to see if I can make a mod where Albania can annex the whole world in different ways

[crisp wyvern]

guys

did i cook with this one?

[magic aspen]

this should be fun

[dusky burrow]

now you cooked

[somber sinew]

whats the mapmode, reminds me of red dusk

[magic aspen]

literally every other country in my faction can claim leadership as soon as the 180 days runs out lmao

[crisp wyvern]

romania declared on me and they failed so badly to break my line of defense that i was surprised to see carol II was still in power

[umbral agate]

is this a good medium tank?

[crisp wyvern]

imagine losing a quarter of your population against bulgaria

couldnt be me.

this is the global situation

[somber sinew]

most realistic hoi4 game ever noted

[magic aspen]

lmao, north america is my favorite part of East Asia

[fair horizon]

So what kind of ships are people using for patrolling? a handful of destroyers per region or like whats good for naval dominance with strike forces?

[fair horizon]

love it but im not sure how zero reliability works tbh

[umbral agate]

mio will give it 10% more

also

reliability isnt a real stat

[fair horizon]

it is and im tired of people saying it isnt

You attrition during combat

[umbral agate]

its not real if i dont know what it does

[fair horizon]

It does affect losses

[somber sinew]

so wait does 100%+ reliability do anything to a division

[fair horizon]

I pray you have the IC to keep that mindset 💀

[umbral agate]

im playing canada and i am making like 3 tank divs for d day

[fair horizon]

Over 100 is useless

[somber sinew]

i know over 100% is useless

what does 100% do for a division though

[fair horizon]

Gonna be gone by the time you hit the shore lmao

[magic aspen]

makes it more reliable

[somber sinew]

yo ik that

its a pain to push in through northern china after beating the soviets, and then the CCP though

because i lose every tank regardless

[fair horizon]

Makes it so you dont lose equipment through attrition though the equation is kinda weird like the less you use the less reliable you need but like iirc 200 is like 80%?

[magic aspen]

just ask China nicely if you can please eat their country

[umbral agate]

this will be the tank

[fair horizon]

10000 cas planes

[fair horizon]

Based amtrac user

[somber sinew]

nah, i don't use cas

turtle my way through their line

[magic aspen]

I basically just invited a bunch of big countries to my faction and then I'll let one of them take over cause there ain't no way I'm getting bigger than france or Italy

[somber sinew]

actually i don't use planes in general tbh

planes can't hurt me if they don't exist

[umbral agate]

i have spec force attack, i rushed them in like 38 also

[magic aspen]

just give all your divs support anti air and forget that planes were ever invented

[somber sinew]

thats exactly what i do tbh

[fickle thicket]

holy shit old hoi is ass

[vital cove]

are you playing single player or multiplayer

this is basically worthless for singleplayer

hard attack is irrelevant. you want to max out soft atk

[magic aspen]

yugoslavia

https://tenor.com/view/break-car-fall-apart-broken-ride-gif-4915243

[agile perch]

yall think im ready for this ✌️

[flint wyvern]

Doctrine?

[agile perch]

nonne, which one should i have

[magic aspen]

I think Hungary might be in some trouble when war breaks out

[agile perch]

default ig i dont think i did anything here

[somber sinew]

no armor doctrine as germany and mobile warfare is certainly something

[agile perch]

i only got like 200 hours

should i use them ?

[vital cove]

uh

[somber sinew]

no

[vital cove]

basically all of those are useless

[agile perch]

Oh which one should i use

[somber sinew]

considering you don't have any tanks

[flint wyvern]

Can someone help mw navigate the soviet focus tree

[vital cove]

except mobile recon and assault

[agile perch]

i got told infantry is best for germany so im trying that out

[somber sinew]

i think thats possibly true

i haven't run germany

[dusky burrow]

Multiplayer medium?

[somber sinew]

honestly thats the direct opposite of my reaction to eddy's doctrines

[vital cove]

grand battleplan/superior firepower, and then depends a bit if you do tanks or infantry

[agile perch]

Infantry

and also is this good, i saw yt tutorial this was supposedly the best one in game for germany

[vital cove]

large units tactics, grand assault, and then the middle 2 kinda whatever

[agile perch]

Ok ook

[woven gate]

me and my dad just learned the power of heavy tanks

[woven gate]

when you've got the industry that shit's insane

[dusky burrow]

Make it 36 width

[misty fossil]

blessed be the maker and his creation

[dusky burrow]

Otherwise it isn't too bad

[agile perch]

how do i do that im kinda new to the game

[umbral agate]

sheeps

[dusky burrow]

Add more infantry to the division

[dusky burrow]

Fair

[somber sinew]

i personally do GB, then large unit tactics, siege artillery (don't do this), and infilitration tactics

[umbral agate]

?

[dusky burrow]

Fix your missing equipment issue and I wonder how it performs

[misty fossil]

knock 3 infs, AA and light recon out & put field hospital in

[umbral agate]

im trying allied minors

[misty fossil]

quote from dune

[dusky burrow]

also if you're under green air you should use tank destroyers for sure

[agile perch]

Ok let me try

[umbral agate]

i want more breakthrough

[misty fossil]

oh and invest very heavily into air

[umbral agate]

i only get 10 hard from tds

i have no doctrine

[misty fossil]

have 30+ mils on fighters and ALWAYS USE FOCKE WULF

FW IS BUSTED

[agile perch]

whats aa

[misty fossil]

there's no reason to ever use AA as ger

anti air company

[agile perch]

oh ye

[dusky burrow]

I mean might as well knock off engineers as well

[agile perch]

delete this?

[agile perch]

why

[misty fossil]

bro finally read the tooltip

[misty fossil]

true

yeah get rid of engineers

[misty fossil]

because you have enough industry to build fighters and gain air superiority

trade for rubber with siam and build some refineries for your own rubber

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[agile perch]

yea ngl idk how to do anythign that u just said let me just search it up

[somber sinew]

uh

[misty fossil]

light tank recon are for
1/ boosting tank divisions' hard atk and breakthrough
2/ adding entrenchment and breakthrough stats by mounting a bunch of breakthrough modules on the tank design
its always a must have in every tank div

pro tip btw

read the tooltip

[agile perch]

Ok

[misty fossil]

tooltips usually tell you what something does

thats like reading the manual for a car you just bought

[somber sinew]

{ also insert meta airplane template here }

[agile perch]

Ahh okay, but u wanted me to remove 3 Inf?

[misty fossil]

grmany doesnt have that much manpower

[heavy vigil]

it does

[misty fossil]

that and divisions with more combat width are more likely to be reinforce memed (that means exhausted divisions are pushed out before reserve divs can reinforce, pushing the entire division stack out of the tile)

in a battle you have cw which dictates how many divs can engage at any given time

divs that cant engage are in reserve

reserves have a % chance of reinforcing expended divs which can be boosted with radio tech, doctrines, national spirits, field marshal trait and signal comp

i think signal is a luxury but if you have enough support eq you can use signal in your inf

makes them hold better

[heavy vigil]

field marshal trait

2%

[misty fossil]

which one

[heavy vigil]

idk the name

[wary sparrow]

welp guess i found the british navy

[misty fossil]

deathstack in the big 26?

[wary sparrow]

only works for italy

[misty fossil]

nop

[somber sinew]

51 submarines is insane

[wary sparrow]

mediteranean is to small to lose the enemies in

just smash em

[agile perch]

u want it like this + a field hospital when i get it

i didnt get what u meant im boutta give up on this game i dont underrstand anything

[misty fossil]

no get rid of light armoured recon

and aa

[misty fossil]

get some rest

hoi4 burnout is real

[agile perch]

like this then idk what light armoured is

[somber sinew]

honestly just get rid of armored recon and replace with hospitals, maybe some type of recon, i personally don't use recons

[misty fossil]

armoured recon

[agile perch]

ye im researching it right now

[misty fossil]

dont use recon in line inf

[wary sparrow]

another one

[somber sinew]

45 destroyers is insane

how does one explain that to their commanding officers

[wary sparrow]

they just throw like half their navy in the med

[misty fossil]

based

you can do better

[agile perch]

where do i see that and how do i get it out

[somber sinew]

its not in it

[misty fossil]

its already gone

[bleak wasp]

why does everytime I feel like trying to learn the game, I log in, make a new save and then get overwhemled with all the UI and feel like I wasted 15 dollars

[misty fossil]

add field hospital and ur good

[agile perch]

ohhh

[misty fossil]

have 20 mils on support equipment

[agile perch]

ok so that build is good i dont need anything more?

[agile perch]

ok

[misty fossil]

this is armoured recon

[agile perch]

ohhhhhh

[remote quarry]

bro doesn't understand

that's actually the meta template

[remote quarry]

with doctrine

[misty fossil]

?

what

[agile perch]

i did this im gonna fix it later but i was in need of support equipment

😭

[misty fossil]

have 20 mils

20 is enough

put 1 mil on artillery

1 on train

5 on trucks

[agile perch]

Ok

[fickle thicket]

2 on trucks max

[remote quarry]

you know you could disable support equipment

in your division

and still get the doctrine bonus?

[misty fossil]

go down concentrated industy if you havent. if you already went down dispersed then keep it

[remote quarry]

same for light tank recon

so you go individual excellence and put logi in your division(free) and light tank recon(free as well)

[misty fossil]

o

[remote quarry]

and you receive all the bonus

[fickle thicket]

is this a us run?

[misty fossil]

ger

[misty fossil]

dont overload him with more info hes new

[fickle thicket]

you are tweaking if u doin concentrated

[somber sinew]

i too do concentrated

[misty fossil]

who goes dispersed as germany

[somber sinew]

its just better for production output

[wary sparrow]

good first 2 months of the war

[misty fossil]

you're tweaking if you do dispersed

[agile perch]

is this good or anything more i should add on

[fickle thicket]

ur shit gonna get bombed to hell and back

[misty fossil]

5 factories on trucks not 25

[agile perch]

i got no idea what im doing ngl

[agile perch]

Ohhhhh yea my bad

[misty fossil]

my humble 10k focke wulf fighters

[somber sinew]

air superiority?

[misty fossil]

with soviet oil

[fickle thicket]

in late game

[misty fossil]

whos gonna bomb me

the empire?

[somber sinew]

if you correctly build up your aircraft industry you should be fine regardless

[agile perch]

i got france somehow tho i just spammed my way through belgium

[fickle thicket]

the soviets, the brits, americans basically if ur going all in on air do concentrated if not dont do concentrated

[misty fossil]

ive played ger half a dozen times and ive never had issues with being bombed or losing air superiority

except for the first time i played

[agile perch]

but uhm is planes important

becauser idk how it works

[misty fossil]

so i have no idea how you're being strategic bombed

[misty fossil]

as important as oxygen is to us

with no air(planes) you die, period

[wary sparrow]

why is my germany not making enough war materials? feels nerfed or smth

[agile perch]

oh

[somber sinew]

not true, you can just tank it if you are good at micro

[agile perch]

Damn bro 😭

[somber sinew]

you could also bait the AI using lack of air

[fickle thicket]

ive played germany so many times and been strat bombed every single time with how i play

[misty fossil]

not really

i wouldnt say skill issue but it lowkey is, frankly (i apologise)

look at what you did wrong and try again

[somber sinew]

i've capped the germans with no air

in 1944 with no air

[misty fossil]

ive never tried that because i always invest in air

[fickle thicket]

were they fighting a 2 front war

[agile perch]

how do i play them tho

do i just send them all to a region and hope or what

[misty fossil]

watch a tutorial honestly

[agile perch]

ok

[dusky burrow]

I capped the Germans in early 1941 with no air before, the AI is honestly not that impressive

[misty fossil]

its a lot for me to explain in one run

best to follow a video

[fickle thicket]

rush expansion then industry and army then politics

[somber sinew]

yeah but soviet debuffs are bad just all around

[remote quarry]

how many do you have on guns

you def don't want 20 on support

[agile perch]

i had them on 500 when i was in desperate of guns i put them on 1 again

[misty fossil]

20 is good

[agile perch]

like i get 50 guns now

[misty fossil]

i find 10-15 insufficient

[agile perch]

i was losing badly and i needed guns real bad so yea

[remote quarry]

1?

what

[fickle thicket]

in late game tbh or when u just capped the allies

[agile perch]

this

[remote quarry]

yes

this should be like 100

if you have 20 on support

[misty fossil]

i always have 15 mils on guns

[agile perch]

bro, i got 90k guns

[remote quarry]

that's nothing

[agile perch]

do i need more?

[agile perch]

whaaaaaat

[remote quarry]

ok look at your template

[misty fossil]

unless if im on a crunch then 30 mils

[remote quarry]

look at how much support equipment it takes

vs guns

[agile perch]

i followed @misty fossil template

[remote quarry]

do your own math

just read

do the math yourself

[agile perch]

dude chill

[remote quarry]

calculate how much IC does the support equipment vs gun cost

seriously this is the most basic thing you want to learn playing this game

[misty fossil]

field hospitals and logistics eat up a lot of support eq

[remote quarry]

which is why you don't use those in your infantry

[agile perch]

no idea what u just said but yea bro

[remote quarry]

and regardless, nothing justify more on support than gun

[misty fossil]

especially when you have 2 army groups with 12 tanks

[remote quarry]

each equipment has a cost, multiplied by how many pieces is used in your division

[dusky burrow]

which country is this, why do you only have 5 factories on infantry equipment 2

[fickle thicket]

germany

[misty fossil]

ger

[remote quarry]

is how much IC is spent on that equipment in the division

[agile perch]

Germany i got 90k guns so i stopped a little

i got no idea what im doing tho

[misty fossil]

did you play the tutorial

[remote quarry]

if your division uses $10 of gun and $2 of support you should have 5 times as much factory on gun vs support

[remote quarry]

that's the wrong way of thinking

[agile perch]

idk i dont think so

[remote quarry]

you just keep your line at the correct ratio of guns and supports

[agile perch]

ok

[misty fossil]

why do people keep skipping tutorials

i see this everywhere

[agile perch]

bradar this game is so confusing

[remote quarry]

tutorial doesn't teach you anything

[agile perch]

like i dont know anything

[misty fossil]

better than nothing

[agile perch]

i had to see youtube for naval invasion i followed that

[remote quarry]

now you know that you never want to switch your production line and produce equipment based on what your army needs

[flint wyvern]

Yo can u guide me throught the soviet focus trew

[remote quarry]

the guide already has a focus order

[flint wyvern]

Which guide

[agile perch]

yea im gonna just stick to not playing this game

its gonna take years for me to understand anything

[fickle thicket]

everyone learns at a different pace

you'll get there eventually

[dusky burrow]

true

[wary sparrow]

Arriving on schedule

[dusky burrow]

i mean there's a dlc every year so maybe not

[dusky burrow]

convoy raided probably

[agile perch]

i got DLC

[dusky burrow]

Good thing you got Alexandria though

[agile perch]

dlc good

[dusky burrow]

yeah

[fickle thicket]

i learned in like a few weeks with like a 100 hours on record

[wary sparrow]

british are no longer sending many ships thru, dunno why...

[dusky burrow]

just that each dlc adds new game mechanics you need to learn

[dusky burrow]

True

[fickle thicket]

i did have prior knowledge tho

[remote quarry]

slightly shorter than that

[fickle thicket]

hated that they ruined navy imo

[remote quarry]

the important thing to remember is that you don't need to learn everything to beat the game

and you can always cheat

learn some console commands

[fickle thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[flint wyvern]

Yeah can u help with production ratios

[somber sinew]

the average player after realizing they have to put money into naval dominance to invade hull:

[agile perch]

i hate maths from before and now i need math in this like what i dont know what IC even is

[somber sinew]

production cost

[fickle thicket]

no

[agile perch]

oh

[fickle thicket]

u can just naval strike and use base navy

[somber sinew]

i mean technically its industrial capacity

[remote quarry]

for infantry?

[remote quarry]

I don't think you have to do math

but I think you should try to learn what IC is

so at least you have a rough idea of how things work

[somber sinew]

like ic essentially means that you want the most attack/defense/breakthrough for your industrial capacity

[agile perch]

how do i even see IC

[flint wyvern]

Yeah if ur using standard 9/0 inf with 1 engineer company 1 support aa and support arty

[somber sinew]

hovering over the numbers

[wary sparrow]

Got the Suez under control

[agile perch]

oh

[fair horizon]

shovels 🤮

[agile perch]

this is really cheap tho

as it looks like

[remote quarry]

like 1 on artillery, 2 on aa, 3 on engineer, and 10 on gun

[somber sinew]

yeah

you are running 2 support companies

[agile perch]

Yesss

[flint wyvern]

Ty also low-key I don't understand the soviet focus tree

[agile perch]

and how do i see my troops supply?

is this good or bad

i used railways idk if it really helps tho

[fickle thicket]

good

[somber sinew]

i run shovels for forest attack and entrenchment early game

[fickle thicket]

if its blue then its good

[remote quarry]

motorize your supply

click on your field marshal/general, and click the horse icon twice

[fickle thicket]

if its orange/red supply sucks

[agile perch]

how do u even see this 😭

ok ill do it

[fickle thicket]

click on a supply hub

[agile perch]

like this yea?

[somber sinew]

lowkey its easy, just whenever you have political paranoia, make sure you kill none of your generals, then rush military reorganization ASAP

[flint wyvern]

Ping me so ill see message next time

[remote quarry]

basically like purge/political -> industry -> army

roughly

[somber sinew]

i hate pings

[remote quarry]

yep

[somber sinew]

i also don't ping anyone out of instinct

[agile perch]

Ok thanks

[flint wyvern]

What about for the timer

[flint wyvern]

I'm low-key opposite

[agile perch]

any more tips thats good to know then IC whatever that is and ye

[agile perch]

you play germany?

[somber sinew]

you switch between political and industry, then to army to political

[remote quarry]

what timer

[remote quarry]

yes?

[flint wyvern]

Focus timer

[agile perch]

what template do you use

[somber sinew]

political focus timer

[remote quarry]

oh yeah, you do other stuff in between

like new soviet woman, agitprop

[remote quarry]

for what

[agile perch]

Infantry

[sharp sierra]

theres no secret recipe

[remote quarry]

just use your starting infantry and remove the engineer

but it doesn't matter

it's never the template that matters

like for infantry the one thing that give you more stats is to research the next tier infantry equipment

[fickle thicket]

idk about that

[flint wyvern]

What is better gbp left or right

[remote quarry]

from 1936 to 1939 is a 50% improvement

[remote quarry]

left but we are in the new version😭

[somber sinew]

lowkey i'd never use the agitprop unless its for doing the focuses

[flint wyvern]

Uk is so OP

Prob the best nation

[viscid swift]

Guys idk if my friend is masochistic or plain stupid, he wants to buy hoi4 tomorrow and make me play as germany and him as the ussr

[remote quarry]

it's a very important bonus

[somber sinew]

its not that important imo

[flint wyvern]

Ethiopia vs usa would be more fair

[remote quarry]

-15% consumer goods

[viscid swift]

Real

[somber sinew]

romania vs yugoslavia

trust

[mystic fable]

Historically accurate

[flint wyvern]

Yugoslavia is OPPPPP

[viscid swift]

For gods sake even i didnt play nor understand the ussr and he wanted to do it as the first ever Nation 😭

[viscid swift]

Historically accurate ragebaiting (he's gonna wonder how did I Encircle his entire army)

[somber sinew]

might run mounted infantry + guerrilla war as the soviets later

[finite nacelle]

do yall think i have enough aircraft to invade romania?

[flint wyvern]

Half of them would be stolen

[somber sinew]

nah, you need a few more (these were the best planes btw)

[viscid swift]

Guys do u tell my friend to play as the UK and convoy raid him for years? (He doesnt understand navy)

[somber sinew]

just naval bomb him

[flint wyvern]

We shall need to heavily industrialize to prepare the soviet union from western and facist threats

[finite nacelle]

what why

[scenic estuary]

@bleak wasp we can chat here so we're not clogging up that other channel.

But Italy is a great start, try it out watch some tutorials

[bleak wasp]

alr

[scenic estuary]

They have alot of automation functions and deadlines like taking Ethiopia and then albania

But dont be afraid to walk away, I have crashed out so many times but a deep breath and some days away do good

[bleak wasp]

I will do but not rn cuz my gen-z crystallized brain is already getting frustated 💔

[bleak wasp]

didn't even know about albania

being an option

[somber sinew]

you can easily defend against italy as albania

[devout trench]

The fact that Afghanistan got a focus tree before my beloved Luxembourg is a crime

[lilac glen]

I meatgrinded all my manpower invading Europe

[devout trench]

My question is why you would ever play Albania…

[scenic estuary]

So they have timed invasions, so you do Ethiopia then go albania later in the war April 1939 ish

[sharp sierra]

theyll make it shitty like switzerland probably