hoi4-general

[meager valley]

Failing to take Argentina kinda ends Chile’s game

[molten forge]

am at war with a nation that the game isnt allowing me to attack

[azure palm]

I am still alive

For now

[meager valley]

That happened to me recently as communist Japan. Communist China denied me supply

[azure palm]

I have a Argentinian puppet so I kinda get more and more troops if I occupy more terretory

[molten forge]

i mean like

this shit

do i just call in allies?

[meager valley]

Might have to

If all that connects you to the enemy is allied land

Then either naval invade, paradrop, or call allies

[molten forge]

for hells sake

[meager valley]

What helps a lot is encirclement farming in Argentina tbh

[azure palm]

Yeah, I am past that point

[meager valley]

That’s sadly just one of the aspects of this game. Can’t attack from neutral land

Otherwise the game would have so much cheese

[meager valley]

What path are you doing? Just communist?

[molten forge]

maybe i can convince a country to give me land

using an attache

[azure palm]

Unify south america with communism

[meager valley]

You should try it as Brazil once. They core all of South America with a single focus 😭

[rancid bramble]

i did it

i had fun as China

[meager valley]

In vanilla?

That isn’t a thing 😅

[molten forge]

well then my ass is cooked

i cant attack my enemy

and france joined

[coral storm]

I keep wondering why oil power plants were kept out of hoi4 when they were a thing (in extremely limited capacity yes) after the 1850s but they included nuclear energy which was not a thing until 1951

[meager valley]

Basically I’d always attack enemies from my own border. You effectively get to take more post war

[molten forge]

and romania stole my shit

he took it

[meager valley]

They only want oil being used for vehicles apparently. Though regions like South America or the Middleast would rely on oil for energy. It’s annoying

[hushed vortex]

god bless santa and the 2 guys who are gonna man this

[molten forge]

i dont think i can do shit

all around me are axis allie s

[hushed vortex]

surrender to daddy ante pavelic of ndh

[molten forge]

what

idiot i have the germans, italians, turkish, greeks, romanians abd bulgarians protecting me

[hushed vortex]

become pavelič's bich

[coral storm]

(that only has a big impact on prolonged conflicts as holding territory is a long term way to earn war score)

[azure palm]

Update, I managed to start a civil war in Peru and I might win it.

[violet veldt]

who is that in your pfp and why do they look like errico malatesta :3

[coral storm]

This was me as Italy being papal states

[molten forge]

what should i play, what country

is it bad i wanna play republic of syria

[molten forge]

hey @azure palm have you formed a full on airforce

[meager valley]

Tbh I just like to personally occupy so I benefit from the industry

[meager valley]

It is me. Idk who Ericco is

[coral storm]

Play as the north Eastern army warlord in china

[azure palm]

air force? I barely have enough mils for guns

[meager valley]

Totally not a compliment just looked up ericco😭

I don’t look like him

[warped flint]

which one does france accept most

[dusky burrow]

no clue tbh

[warped flint]

Congo

[dusky burrow]

it's somewhere in wuw_belgium.txt but i don't know where

[violet veldt]

it is to me 💔

[warped flint]

hmmmm

[molten forge]

republic of syria more broke than god damn albania

[violet veldt]

also uhh

i need advice on what to send as vols

[coral storm]

Bro ericco Malatesta is literally peak man

I strive to look like him

[violet veldt]

he looks like a bird and i love him for that :3

he's the reason why i have my cat as my pfp cause i saw him and i was like "Oh damn he kinda look like errico malatesta"

[hollow narwhal]

wait what is this??
i never noticed this before with the dlc

is this from the new patch or am i blind

[tepid crown]

💀

[violet veldt]

if im in singleplayer when should i build civs over mils

[molten forge]

whats ideology for republic of syria

[violet veldt]

sorry

[hollow narwhal]

if u have to import tons of resources and have enough mils

[molten forge]

This is the start of syria

no factories as wll

[dusky burrow]

not a single template?

[molten forge]

check it out yourself

[dusky burrow]

do you have trucks researched

[warped flint]

I kinda want to play albania

[dusky burrow]

because if you don't you can get a truck template which isn't good at all but better than nothing

[molten forge]

not at all

[dusky burrow]

same thing with tanks btw

[molten forge]

not even early truck

[dusky burrow]

oof

[molten forge]

this shit spawns you with 0 factories

[hollow narwhal]

political power as hungary lol

[dusky burrow]

true

[hollow narwhal]

almost as much as .. communist china

[dusky burrow]

you can probably fire serédi tbh

[molten forge]

thats why am doing the tree for factories and building civs (cus otherwise i legit cant invade shit)

[dusky burrow]

i'm talking about the political power gain, but yes that's the right thing to do for syria

[warped flint]

interesting....

[azure palm]

Comrades, Chile has falen to the Aregntinians. Tomorrow, we try again, and establish dominance over Argentina and the rest of south america.

[cedar kite]

They put very little thought with the goe nations

I'd rather have them only appear with goe enabled

Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, and kuwait are worse cause you can't civil war yourself

At least Burma has something

But it's 1/2th of its population just disappeared when goe dropped

It went from 14.5M to like 7.5 M

[warped flint]

how do I get dominance

I have my ships out

[crystal marsh]

you must do the patrol mission

sole strike force doesnt work anymore

[dusky burrow]

Yeah Burma should have like 16 million

[warped flint]

bro

1 PERCEANT?

[dusky burrow]

strike force amplifies patrol mission, so it can still be helpful

[cedar kite]

Who do think is going to be the youtuber that does greater Mongolia as kalmykia?

[dusky burrow]

7424 dominance is soooo little lmao

[crystal marsh]

patrol -> increase dominance
strike force -> safeguard dominance
convoy raiding -> well, raid

[crystal marsh]

wait thats a formable now

[cedar kite]

Its been since dlc drop

They added kalmykia to it

[warped flint]

navy got killed instantly

couldnt even react to try anything

[cedar kite]

Oof

[crystal marsh]

oh neat

im lowkey tempted to try

on a fully released map

[dusky burrow]

what's going on in macedonia

[cedar kite]

Gatekeeping rn

[crystal marsh]

yall i got all achievements

[warped flint]

why arent my paras taking the mission?

[steep slate]

Looks like no division is assigned to that order?

[warped flint]

Yeah mb thats what I meant

Figured it out

I need 50 transports per division I think right?

there being destroyed

[warped flint]

how can I make this go well

I almost took hull but my divisions died last second

[craggy trail]

What does the paratrooper division look like?

[warped flint]

I just did tip of the speer and now I have 9 instead of 5

oh and full doctrine

[craggy trail]

Yeah... It could be a lot bigger.

[warped flint]

oh

should I go back like 2 divs and make it 18 width?

[craggy trail]

Have you gone through your special forces doctrine for paratroopers?

[warped flint]

Yeah

[warped flint]

.

I also got this now cause maybe that would help slightly

I have a very large airforce

Well

[craggy trail]

Signal companies are pretty good with paratroopers if you go bottom left

[warped flint]

just okay sized airforce

[warped flint]

Okay

[craggy trail]

Make it a larger paratrooper division. Use support companies with your paratroopers

[craggy trail]

18 width is good

[craggy trail]

Hello fellow game designer! I hope your having a good day/night as well

https://tenor.com/view/twistim-mlp-my-little-pony-happy-twilight-sparkle-gif-6481078317428471599

[warped flint]

I have a 50% support company research bonus luckily

will get in 44 days

whats supply grace?

[craggy trail]

The amount of supply you have available when you go out of range from a supply hub

[warped flint]

Oh so like reserves?

[craggy trail]

Yes

[warped flint]

Okay

[clear dagger]

i might have built a few too many refineries

[warped flint]

that sounds pretty good

I have a bad feeling one of these arent assigned

Wait I think it would tell me here

[craggy trail]

You typically get like an extra day of supply grace, allowing you divisions to fight at full supply, before your divisions start to take penalties from lack of supply

[warped flint]

I am supplying the germans

I have a massive surplus

Tho I am waiting cause I will leave the axis after the war

and invade them

I want to make sure the soviets are alive at that time so there distracted

While I wait for that support company to research ill exercise these

There I got the save, I think im ready to launch the paras

[craggy trail]

Airborne armor if you have any light tanks and a free spot of your choosing for another parachutable support company

These would also be good suggestions as well

[warped flint]

May have stolen some

lemme see

that should be fine

right?

[tulip thorn]

Probably

[craggy trail]

Yes

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/twistim-mlp-my-little-pony-happy-twilight-sparkle-gif-6481078317428471599

[warped flint]

Here I go

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-hello-my-little-pony-gif-8820966

[warped flint]

do I force attack

bro they lost all org instantly

My issue is now that I cant maintain air superority in 3 areas

[eternal palm]

Theres literally no better choice here

You pick this anyway

[warped flint]

uh I took hull now but my divisions died to fast to actually maintain the landing

[eternal palm]

Did u not have more paras?

[warped flint]

I only have 6

[glass summit]

just be JFK in andorra, Brutal.

[warped flint]

Only 6 is because my army is small since I sorta forgot to expand it while busy expanding the airforce and lend leaseing to germany

[craggy trail]

Hmm, did you wait 30 days so you get the bonus Combat Insertion org reduction?

[icy crescent]

Did you accidentally yeet them to England during training?

[warped flint]

?

[warped flint]

Made sure they had full org

[glass summit]

moscow eta. 1950

[craggy trail]

The enemy loses -50% organization when you paradrop. But this can only happen once every 30 days per state

[warped flint]

Yeah I have that

When I did my first para I went back to the save before I did

[heavy vigil]

per state

so if you push a state within 30 days its infinite

[fallen vigil]

they be letting anyone be a model

[warped flint]

bro why do my paras have no org

its so annoying

they land and then have like no org

they die instantly

[north spoke]

Literally 1984

[remote quarry]

play on 1 speed

when it lands, click H, then put it to a new army and hit last stand

[woven dragon]

Were Coastal Batteries added in the new patch? I remember seeing something on a live stream about a new fort type and read something in the patch notes but don’t see it. I see the Electrical Grids but wonder if it is a NCNS thing only?

[opal nymph]

No, the devs stated it was attempted, but decided it doesn't work well and did not add it

[woven dragon]

That seemed like a cool idea though. My only three begrudges with this DLC is that PT Boats aren’t there own tech, the price (duh), and Menjiang not getting a tree

[woven dragon]

They could’ve at least should have made it a Special Project

[clear dagger]

what should I name my beautiful Luxembourg Super Heavies?

[kind vale]

Nah thats his brother

[marble igloo]

Are you sending in air support and cas into britain to cover the air war?

[warped flint]

As much as I can

I know they arent cassing me

since they just lose org like when they land instantly

[marble igloo]

After they land, give them a minute to get org back and then attack the port

or better yet, just go for the naval base

instead of landing outside of it

[warped flint]

They attack me instantly

cant build org

[marble igloo]

Then go directly for the naval base instead of not on the naval base

[warped flint]

There just kill my divisions then after I take the port

[marble igloo]

you need the naval base and exactly 1 tile next to it

then you need to ship 4 good infantry divisions by sea into the land

and if you can't cover them with naval to keep supply(ie britain is nuking your convoys) you won't be able to do much regardless

Also you have like 5-8 different naval bases to pick one

you can always try a different base

[tiny tartan]

How it feels to play as Germany on historical

[opal nymph]

Why add something that they couldn't figure out how to make it work

[bright arrow]

Never stopped them before

[tulip thorn]

Literally did not work the last time I used it

Waited 30 days, paradropped and it didnt work

I still made the naval landing

But it did make it harder

[woven dragon]

True

[clear dagger]

they will tremble at the might of my navy

[dim hazel]

why does italy suck

[verbal notch]

Why is Kaiserreich’s menu music so good?

[dim hazel]

cuz its peak

[tulip thorn]

Because the mod is peak

You know a mod is good when the menu music slaps

[wraith mauve]

Whats the point in having focuses for attack bonuses if u can’t use them

In American focus tree btw

[quartz canyon]

I just noticed that for the imperial Manchukuo path, the decision to mobilize that militia causes you to lose 5 stability, but demobilizing it grants 10 stability.

There does not appear to be a limit to this while at war.

So you can get 5% stability for 30 political power total every 21 days.

[wraith mauve]

Anyone?

[tulip thorn]

You can use them

But only once

[wraith mauve]

How?

When

[tulip thorn]

Its a decision

[wraith mauve]

To invade

[tulip thorn]

When your at war with the nation

[wraith mauve]

no

I mean when am I ever gonna use attack bonuses if against canada

Cus there is no way to fight them

[tulip thorn]

Well its possible to use them

If you go war powers usa

with alf landon

Or fascist usa

or maybe if the uk declares

[wraith mauve]

Fascist us civil war is annoying

[dim hazel]

how do i get the secret 67 formable

[tulip thorn]

you dont even have to flip to do war powers

[tulip thorn]

What

[wraith mauve]

Wdym i dont have to flip?

[dim hazel]

how do i get

the SECRET brainrot 67 formable

[tulip thorn]

The what

[tulip thorn]

You dont have to go fascist

To do war powers

I think thats what its called

The canadian corridor

[wraith mauve]

Yay focus tree that gives billions of focuses

[wraith mauve]

Is that still Alf Landon path

[tulip thorn]

Yeah

You need alf to do it

[wraith mauve]

What if I just elect him after I do new deal

[tulip thorn]

You can even still do neutrality act and stuff

[tulip thorn]

You need to keep the gold standard

[wraith mauve]

Restart run then

[tulip thorn]

yeah

you need to do the gold standard focus lol

[wraith mauve]

Ima start mailing America because I am American

[raw valve]

Hey guys. Are there any reported bugs surrounding the fragmented options at game rules, or loading games?

I was playing as Bavaria trying to unify Germany

I loaded a pervious game after failing a war, and I couldn't move my armies

[wraith mauve]

What shop should I spam for naval domince

@quick willow

[quick willow]

uh.... idk man

[wraith mauve]

Oh I tagged u because ur the only one online I saw the @ thingy

[stone venture]

whats goood ww1 mod send me some please

[wraith mauve]

Kaiserreich

Great War redux

[stone venture]

do you gotta link

[wraith mauve]

No bro just search it

[stone venture]

ok

[wraith mauve]

It’s much easier

[stone venture]

alrr thanks

[vivid juniper]

I’m currently at an impasse I’m surrounded by dirt Commies but the US and Britain are chipping away at them

The last few times I’ve attempted to go to war with them has resulted in my destruction, so I don’t know if I should end it here the game is also running like ass

[digital aurora]

wait does the -10% submarine production cost from the national focus, Submarine warfare also affect other types of subs like midget submarines, cruiser submarines, fleet submarines and carrier subs? or just basic subs

[solemn bay]

Lore accurate Austria-Hungary

[kind vale]

All subs

[vivid juniper]

Basically I can’t really go anywhere else without going to work with the commintun, which is the largest faction

[kind vale]

Australia Hungary

[solemn bay]

You could make a save game just in case, unless it's Ironman Mode

[vivid juniper]

I have tried at different points , as I am surrounded, the allies aren’t really doing much

They’re trying

[ocean mirage]

should i go axis or allies either way im fricked out of my cores in balkans no?

[kind vale]

Time for a us game

[digital aurora]

so that would mean once you research Long range riders you get an effective 20% decrease to production cost on cruiser subs?

[kind vale]

Idk i dont do german navy focuses

[ocean mirage]

yes u do

[digital aurora]

nah this is the Red fleet tree

[kind vale]

Soviet?

[digital aurora]

Yes sirrr

[kind vale]

I dont do soviet navy either

[digital aurora]

I don't normally either but i have germany on an alt history path so it gives me time to persue the navy

[storm walrus]

how do i get my hands on a civillian nuclear reactor

is it in a dlc or smth

[wraith mauve]

If Uk goes fascist does Canada get independence?

?

[kind vale]

Temporarily

Till the uk invades

[wraith mauve]

German non aligned France communist Uk fascist

How do I freind germany

[slim nexus]

Turn fascist

[dusky burrow]

Fifty percent! I didn't know that

Thought it was like 10 or 20 percent

[sudden thistle]

Fight axis

But don’t join allies

[ocean mirage]

ill wait for barb and fight axis yeah

[dusky burrow]

wait for italy to take that bit of yugoslavia you don't have

then declare war on axis

[ocean mirage]

its makedonia and its in the axis

its rt56

[dusky burrow]

why is macedonia in montenegro

[ocean mirage]

i have no idea

[dusky burrow]

I mean, who in the balkans is in the allies then

[ocean mirage]

like no one, everyone is in axis

i just need to have good timing to get rid of albania fast and backslap romania to get cores and i can build up a good army

right now i have like so little manpower its insane

[dusky burrow]

real

[azure seal]

wait a minute...

why am i themnan????

who has done such

[autumn pebble]

Nazi behavior

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

[vivid juniper]

But yeah, I gonna call it for tonight. There’s no path victory because it requires the allied AI to be better than it is.

I’m surrounded on all sides and and they can simply outnumber me

I got the full ahistorical experience from Hungary, who was a nice path

[warped flint]

should I play as albania

[wary sparrow]

rate my italy (puppets all around black sea, alps, and balkans

[silk gust]

Finally learnt screens

My first sea lion too

[wary sparrow]

not screen shots tho

how did germany naval invade normandy...

[wraith mauve]

Guys I might be cooked

[leaden mulch]

bro

ur the us

and a player

[wraith mauve]

Non historical

[leaden mulch]

ur not cooked

[wraith mauve]

How am I supposed to get to Europe

[opal nymph]

You are the US, you can win this. Get your navy into action and deal with those landing sites

[wraith mauve]

Idk how to use navy

[leaden mulch]

naval invade greenland and iceland

[wraith mauve]

And Im just spamming subs

[leaden mulch]

then go to norway

[wraith mauve]

After rework idk navy bruh

[opal nymph]

Island hop to Africa and then to France

[opal nymph]

Patrol and win

[leaden mulch]

this is also valid

[wraith mauve]

Can subs patrol?

[opal nymph]

Yeah

[wraith mauve]

Yay

[opal nymph]

Please tell me you did more than build subs

[wraith mauve]

No

I didn’t

[opal nymph]

...

Well

[leaden mulch]

it'll be fine

trust

one must have faith

[opal nymph]

It works

[wraith mauve]

What should I spam

[opal nymph]

Well subs work i suppose

[leaden mulch]

ideally you'd build a balanced navy

[leaden mulch]

but light cruisers are best to spam

[opal nymph]

I did a balanced navy in my game with escort carriers

Light cruisers are best for vaporizing enemy screens

[wraith mauve]

Also Cant get to Europe because north defense front owns Greenland so Africa it’s is

[opal nymph]

Also subs on patrol dont build much dominance

They do have range though, especially cruiser subs

[leaden mulch]

imo just like mix Light Cruisers and Submarines

its not meta

but like it'll shred the screens

and also torp attack

[leaden mulch]

Ideally destroyers instead of subs\

[opal nymph]

My patrol task force in my game consisted of an escort carrier, a spotting heavy cruiser, and like 10 destroyers

[leaden mulch]

but this is for that specific use case

[opal nymph]

I had 8 of them

Because I was the US and could afford it

And boy did it wipe the Japanese fleet

along with the main strike force

[leaden mulch]

peak

I think its time I play italy again for that refit build

[wraith mauve]

Operation seize Bahamas

[slim nexus]

Based

[leaden mulch]

is that emoji not allowed😭

why hoi4 official😭

[wraith mauve]

How do I take care of dis

[leaden mulch]

?

wdym

you have them encircled

[wraith mauve]

It’s has port connected to Moscow somehow

[wraith mauve]

They have supply

[leaden mulch]

not with that many troops relying on that one port

[wraith mauve]

I ahve CAs and air support

[leaden mulch]

what is ur template

you should be able to take them

easily

[tulip thorn]

Unless you are using the worst units ever, that pocket will close with ez

[wraith mauve]

36 width

[leaden mulch]

inf?

[wraith mauve]

Beefy as divs

[wraith mauve]

Yes

[leaden mulch]

just take them then

[wraith mauve]

Oh it’s working finally

[leaden mulch]

💀

[wraith mauve]

Take ur guess on casualties

I’ll tell when it’s over

116k

[autumn pebble]

What

[wraith mauve]

We seized the Bahamas

[warped flint]

https://tenor.com/view/albania-gif-15772705698764907763

[wraith mauve]

Ha ha ha

[warped flint]

my casualties are so high

80k

I have dealt italy like half a million tho

[warped flint]

1/10 of the albanian population has died

[wraith mauve]

1/6 Americans have died

[wary sparrow]

the communists won the war against mitteleuropa

time to save the hungarians from the communist evils

and restore the monarchy

[leaden mulch]

who are u?

[analog ivy]

easy engagement bait its too easy

[feral hedge]

This meta?

[wary sparrow]

ngl this compliance is beautiful

[feral hedge]

I have quite a few questions...

[leaden mulch]

nah

[feral hedge]

-Why is savoy free?
-Why does albania own epirus and kinda looks weird?
-How did greece manage to achieve megali idea while being communist but still give the western coast to albania?
-How did Kurdistan become a thing and why does it have land in syria?
-Did the ussr explode or what?

I'm guessing you gave western greece to your albanian puppet but decided to keep them as communist?

And also helvetic junta

Wow

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-many-years-gif-25204373

[wary sparrow]

i gave them that stuff

[wary sparrow]

they went back to communism

after i puppeted them

[feral hedge]

Isn't savoy your core tho?

[wary sparrow]

i do own savoy

[feral hedge]

Oh my bad

[wary sparrow]

the west is a little buffer state against france

albania has a claim to epirus

so i gave it to them

[feral hedge]

Interesting

[wary sparrow]

i made kurdistan after invading turkey

[feral hedge]

What about crimea though?

[wary sparrow]

i helped invade the soviets

after they capped since i didnt get much war score i justified again

and gave more lands to my puppets

[feral hedge]

Well its all fun and games but

Why Italia irredenta over mare nostrum?

[wary sparrow]

im roleplaying

thats why i didnt take everything

plus rome is cool and all but then europe is just red and boring

i like having intricate borders

looks cool

[feral hedge]

Do you like those custom puppet states some mods have

Kx and stuff

[wary sparrow]

hm?

never messed with em

[feral hedge]

Kinda like the reichskomissariat mechanic

[wary sparrow]

i only dabble in mods

germany got cooked by the british

somehow

soviets did take a long time tho

they kept trying to get me to join the war but ehhh

[feral hedge]

Unpopular opinion but this map looks nice

[wary sparrow]

world map

french got their asses wooped

only still alive cause of the brits

and the japanese are doing their thing declaring on the whole world out in asia

[feral hedge]

Fourth internationale?

[wary sparrow]

allies

[feral hedge]

While being communist?

[wary sparrow]

they kept it cause i did the thing where i reaffirmed the entente

[feral hedge]

Oh

[wary sparrow]

and they went the moscow path but the old sovs died

[feral hedge]

They usually do the british communist alternative

Had fun @wary sparrow ?

[wary sparrow]

sure

[feral hedge]

Good for ya

[wary sparrow]

i might not be the strongest country but i sure do rule the balkans

[feral hedge]

Yeah

Anyways i got to go

Nice talk

[wary sparrow]

giga allies

[wary sparrow]

ciao

[wind fog]

hehe

[leaden mulch]

nowhere close to mine

I have 103 more sessions of hoi4

[polar path]

guys tf is going on with these patch "fixes"

thius infrastructure stuff is kind of rediculous

[warped flint]

What happend to it?

[warped flint]

I have like 80 something

Wait no im dumb

262

[polar path]

less resource gain per infrastructure level and you have to build an entirely new thing which costs twice the IC of infrastructure and takes up building slots

[warped flint]

bruh

[polar path]

yep. another useless nerf

I usually can import one batch of steel from the USSR and have 4 civs left as Hungary and still gain full production. well wave that goodbye now!

i gotta import two now instead

[inner iron]

Achievement runs suck

I have to do a world conquest just to own hong kong

Like brother

[polar path]

it makes it even worse when they keep nerfing things that didnt need to be nerfed and changing things only to break them in the process

[paper echo]

playing hoi4 while being on online class is peak

ooooo gfx error

[brave oracle]

ok why they doubling down on ts

and why they not saying what the new building is???

[inner iron]

I'm staring at Manchukuo having exceptions for the port cities

Prc doesn't

What an oversight I guess

I pretty much have to force a non hist game where Britain would decolonise

[polar path]

its power grids

they cost double the IC to make and it makes it even harder for minor nations tbh

i have to import twice the steel for Hungary at the start of the game now

[inner iron]

Resources are the least of my concerns

[polar path]

it should be a concern though. their solution to coal was to reduce resource gain

thats not a solution

thats an attack

inf IC for reference

[inner iron]

Last time I remembered, Hungary is pretty spoiled with factories and resources with their focus tree

[polar path]

yeah but not early game

and that also doesnt apply to other nations

[polar path]

tf is Ethiopia or less fortunate minors goanna do

[inner iron]

Ethiopia is mostly the same because they never had any resources to begin with

Same for other literal hell minors

[polar path]

okay. but counterpoint. if i wanted to manage resources id go play vic3. not the game thats supposed to prioritize military strategy

[inner iron]

You create your strategy based on what you got

[polar path]

yeah but having a power grid that costs double the IC of literal infrastructure should be looked at

that doesnt make any sense

[inner iron]

Power grids are for late game scaling

You're not supposed to worry about it

[polar path]

yeah but it neglects the early game completely

what about early expansion

[inner iron]

Did early expansion happen irl

No because most countries were horribly equipped and not even remotely mobilised

[polar path]

who cares wtf happened irl dude. you can literally form French Chile in this game. if they wanted realism they woudlt even have alt history

[inner iron]

Have you ever seen a french chile get actual France itself

No, it dies

[polar path]

yes because ive done it

its still ann idiotic change at best

and a broken one at worst

[inner iron]

By late game when it actually makes sense for countries to finally scale

[polar path]

a power grid shouldn't cost double the IC of infrastructure and resources don't get sent via power lines

if i could telegraph you tungsten we would be a lot more ahead in terms of technology by now

at this point add an automate button like euv

[inner iron]

It's clearly efficient to excavate resources with trains of coal to the mines to power it

[polar path]

i did it in 38-39

[inner iron]

That's the point of the power grid

Transporting power to the mines and factories

[polar path]

yes but how tf is a minor nation goanna do this anyways

especially with the current building and resource system

give me one example

of a minor nation that wont have troubke with this

[inner iron]

Most of Asia got comically buffed from it

Because most of them scale really well to the late game

[polar path]

okay so now were just goanna neglect the rest of the world now? OH! and also remake every DLC and charge $70 for it! ahh yes my favourite!

what about focus trees they will never touch again

like Spain

theyre just doomed to fail

[inner iron]

With the new update, my total mob prc still had 500 coal left while still building up the grid

[polar path]

okay fine. china os fixed. thats cool

what about Poland though

do you think poland has time to build a stupid power line?

[inner iron]

Poland sits right between 2 substantial coal regions

Ukraine and Germany

[polar path]

okay and. with the inf changes its substantially reduced, not only that but ALL resource intake

so you have zero time to build up to this

as they also sit in between two substantial major nations

[inner iron]

And Poland has the manpower pool to build a cheap swarm army for defence

I still struggle to see the issue in that

[polar path]

because you simply cant make equipment with this update.

thats the issue

you dont see that? are you that far up paradox's butthole?

[inner iron]

I don't see it because I'm still yet to have crippling issues in my games

[polar path]

its arbitrary

thats my point

[inner iron]

If you lack steel, don't rush guns 3, improvise, make use of your other resources

Use alu for planes

[polar path]

hungary doesnt even have guns 2 and i still have to import 3 steel

[inner iron]

Wow 3 steel cripples your WHOLE economy

[polar path]

so i dont think you reawlly get the extent of this

[polar path]

yeah it kinda does

if i gotta use 3 civs for someething i needed one civ for previously

thats a metric ton

[inner iron]

How doo doo is your Hungary eco

[polar path]

dude have you even played that nation?

its 5 civs, plus trianon which reduces it by another 40%

[inner iron]

I have and it's packed with excavation decisions

[polar path]

and then you have to build up and fight the entire axis usually

[inner iron]

With your goonsquad of Habsburg puppets probably

Which is easy

[polar path]

okay so you assume thats th eonly path Hungary will take then.

and last time i called in a "goonsquad" puppet they folded in 2 minutes

but is okay

[inner iron]

Commie Hungary doesn't even get targeted by the axis

[polar path]

go suck paradox off some more

[inner iron]

It's more late game when Germany does the wargoal focus for every commie in the world

[polar path]

thats fine

[inner iron]

By that time you probably sit on a million men in the army

[polar path]

its still an arbirtary change that doesnt make any sense historically and ahistoricaly

especially from a gameplay perspective

may as well go give them $100 for the next DLC they make for free

unbelievable. morons in this community

[inner iron]

Idk how you paid that much

I paid 30 for the entire expansion pass

[polar path]

its called a hyperbole. go back to english class

[gusty oracle]

should I buy the new dlc

[polar path]

nah

delete the game too

[gusty oracle]

I haven't played for a minute

you seem mad

[polar path]

they added arbitrary things and changed half of the game and its a buggy mess

so yeah im a bit mad about it

[gusty oracle]

sounds like a new dlc alright

[inner iron]

He being a crybaby over a skill issue

[polar path]

its not a skill issue if it makes zero sense. your being a moron and justifying adding the stupid coal in the first place

nobosy wants the damn coal

[green plume]

is america op?

[polar path]

and having 40% infrsatructure shoudlnt mean you gain less tungsten

and also cost double the IC to get more

at least make it cost as much as an infrastructure

[polar path]

if you like japan, and the faction system then yeah its fine

but if your never goanna play Japan dont get thee DLC

save $30

go buy a meal

[gusty oracle]

fair

bruh a chipotle burrito is like 12 usd

[polar path]

well the DLC is $30 so you could buy two!

[gusty oracle]

yep

[polar path]

and if you got the full pass then you could've got 4

[polar path]

do you like navy too?

[inner iron]

Just get a mod that removes resources then lmao

If you being that whiny about it

[gusty oracle]

why is the expansion pass 48,77

[gusty oracle]

I dont really focus on navy

[polar path]

your goanna hate the update then...

[polar path]

oh! well i shouldve just done that! man whata genius you are. do you want a gold star?

[gusty oracle]

I'll probably end up buying it at some sale

[polar path]

prolly boxing day

[gusty oracle]

I dont think we have that over here

[polar path]

i play for achievments. cant reaally do that with mods. but your too stupid to realise that I wasnt talking about all resources. let me spell it out

[inner iron]

If you can't play a minor, go on civilian difficulty then

[polar path]

I dont want the INFRASTRUCTURE that was PERFECTLY FINE to cost DOUBLE what it NEEDS TO BE

[inner iron]

What can I say

[polar path]

you see that?

clear as mud?

[polar path]

if you cant realise the impact on the game this has then stop talking about it because you dont know f all

[inner iron]

I see that the update is fine

[polar path]

then all is lost

[inner iron]

Or you're lost

[polar path]

nah just not dumb enough to blindly agree with arbitrary nerfs

[inner iron]

Is it a nerf tho if it buffed late game coal

[polar path]

these numbers dont lie.

[inner iron]

The one thing that was a genuine issue

[polar path]

more people than me agree with the fact that thie changes were bad

this is not a fix

it was a "fine. we'll give you coal refining buffs but make this mechanic worse" type of deal

its not a fix then

its a trade

and a signifigantly worse one at that

[inner iron]

Man your boohoo just keeps on going

[polar path]

and you keep responding.

my boohoo isnt just mine

its a lot of people's

[inner iron]

Where are the lot of people in this chat

[polar path]

maybe not in this chat

[inner iron]

So it's just you

[polar path]

unfortunately not pleb

[inner iron]

If you hate it that much, then just quit the game

You're the one being a masochist here

[polar path]

your the one pissing me off with your moronic statements

[inner iron]

Go back to an old update and just call it a day

[visual pasture]

THIS IS HIDEOUS

[inner iron]

If you can't hit a certain achievement, then learn

[inner iron]

Average allied gameplay

Out of curiosity I declared on them in 45 as the prc and the allied swarm lost 2mil people in a week

[visual pasture]

yea the entire african front is like this, huge stacks of divisions everywhere

[polar path]

if you like it that's fine. What I mainly don't like is you coming here and telling me on behalf of everyone else that i need to shut up. as your not the only person here. and a lot of people have major complaints about this update. and saying to quit, roll back a save shouldnt be a solutuion to this

in fact its that exact talk that makes these decisions happen in the first place

[visual pasture]

this is what i actually have

[inner iron]

You can prolly just shut off supplies for allies and push them yourself

[visual pasture]

i could and im not even sure if it would actually work

cuz of neighbour countries

but then i cant push myself

cuz they have a bunch of way stronger divs (americans etc)

my divs are actually crap

[inner iron]

What cursed war are you in

[visual pasture]

the war trying to take Ethiopia 😭

but it expanded to a much bigger war

[inner iron]

But like what mega factions

[inner iron]

It's a very simple solution for older achievements

[visual pasture]

Frenchie communist alliance with a bunch of non communist countries vs allies v2

and france did that path they create a bunch of commie puppets in africa and stuff

[inner iron]

France doesn't create commie puppets in Africa I think

That Ethiopia you're fighting has a focus to spwan revolts in all of Africa

So france prolly puppeted those revolts

[visual pasture]

then idk, its commie ethiopia tho

i need Ethiopia for this 2 focuses

i think france actually libereted them as puppets tho

[inner iron]

What I said earlier

Ethiopia can spawn revolts and France as a commie puppets them

Cuz I've never seen a France decolonise on it's own like ever

[visual pasture]

i am using a AI improve mod so it could be that

that or R56 thing

btw, do naval bombers help spot convoys for subs to pick up?

[dull compass]

new soviet capital after dlc

[heavy vigil]

hi chat

[terse lantern]

I don't really have any real complaints about this DLC but the placement of the focus "Supreme Council for the Direction of the War" frustrates me

It makes it look like it is only available if you go with Tojo, but really you can go with Yamamoto or Hirohito and still take the focus.

[brave oracle]

most well designed paradox game

[leaden mulch]

Hi!

[heavy vigil]

hru?

[leaden mulch]

good

started a ita game recently

No Mods bc one of the mods that I was using was bugging the game out

[sage karma]

number's lie, because everybody thinks it's expensive.

[terse lantern]

$42 is pretty standard for major Paradox DLC prices

[sage karma]

not because of it's gameplay, but because of it's price.

[terse lantern]

I'm not sure why the reaction to this DLC's price is any different to the other ones

Yes it should be cheaper

[frank zodiac]

hi

[terse lantern]

But also at least be consistent in your reasons for complaining

[frank zodiac]

ho ru guys

[terse lantern]

Good :p

[sage karma]

poor people makes up the majority

[terse lantern]

I am also poor

[sage karma]

they complain about the price.

[leaden mulch]

what do u mean by this

[storm walrus]

no way this only applies to the dlc bruz

[polar path]

its still a stupid mechanic and i will die on that hill. they are trying to fix a mechanic that nobody asked to fix with a mechanic that everybody hates. thats a recipe for disaster

[storm walrus]

im still gonna be -9000 every time i annex europe bruh

[sage karma]

i think DLC is okay. doesn't deserve negative rating

[terse lantern]

DLC 1 is $42
DLC 2 is $42

But DLC 1 is great!
And DLC 2 is trash.

[polar path]

i get i was a bit heated as that guy kinda made me mad. fair enough.. i apologize for the outburst

but my point stands

[terse lantern]

Paradox gamers like to moan about things

[sage karma]

which mechanic

[terse lantern]

Professional sooks lol

[polar path]

the new infrastructure changes

[sage karma]

i'm paradox gamer. played every paradox games since ck2.

[storm walrus]

coal is a good concept its just executed horribly

[terse lantern]

No one hates the game more than the guy with 2500 hours in it

[storm walrus]

i genuinely get softlocked late game because theres not enough coal

and i dont want to sit around and deindustrialise for half an hour

problem would be smaller if they added a feature to shut down enough factories to resolve the coal shortage

[sage karma]

coal is there to limit expansion, i think it's a great mechanic. keep things historical

[terse lantern]

It's proof that Paradox fans will beg for the game to be harder but then when the game is actually made harder they will all complain that the game is too hard

[polar path]

we cant make a 100% historical experience though. that was thrown out with French Chile and the East india Company paths

[terse lantern]

Because to be frank, Paradox fans don't know what they want.

[polar path]

see the proble is i never complained about the difficulty

[storm walrus]

then introduce other methods of power, nuclear & gas power exists. the current civ nuclear reactor is locked behind another dlc and its expensive and needs to be built for every state just for a 50% reduction.

[polar path]

I dont know why they changed it

[storm walrus]

oil would be a lot more contested if it could be used in place of coal

[polar path]

thats the problem. it was fine before

[sage karma]

something like tannu tuva world domination. that's just absurd.

[polar path]

but iut still should be possible

we cant just throw out half of the games fun with these "fixes"

[terse lantern]

If you want to do it you will find a way to do it

Try and it will happen

[polar path]

but not at the expense of arbitreary changes with mechanics people dont want

like coal

[storm walrus]

under that logic, there should be massive debuffs with conscription. historically accurate is great but practical is better

[terse lantern]

IDK I like it

[polar path]

and power lines

[terse lantern]

I'm just always skeptical when paradox DLCs get bombed

I've become cynical about it

Big reason is the army of idiot youtubers who make clickbait slop videos about how THIS IS RUINING THE GAME!!!!11!!!1! and then rake in the money from the views they get

[frank zodiac]

wr r u now

[polar path]

there is valid reason for it though. dont get me wrong its no GOE but these changes dont excite me nor do they answer any of the problems ive already ahd with the game

[terse lantern]

So when I see a negative review of a Paradox DLC I just wonder if part of the reason is because the idiot youtuber sent his army of idiot 14 year olds to review bomb it

[polar path]

also they really should be focusing on fixxing issues rn rather than adding new crap

[terse lantern]

What issues?

[polar path]

spearheads are still broken and have been for 4 years

the peace deals for manchuria still dont fire as far as I can tell

[terse lantern]

The bugs and the 70 day focuses in the DLC are annoying that I know

[polar path]

the Navy is still completely bugged and the Ai will either deathstack or sdo nothing

[terse lantern]

70 day focuses in the big 25 is frustrating

[polar path]

and they dont really inherantly help older focus trees

like sure china is fiune cuz it has a shiny new focus tree

but i doubt theyll even look at spain again

[terse lantern]

Also, how many of the negative reviews are angry Chinese users?

[polar path]

and what are they goanna do with these nerfs

[terse lantern]

Cause I'd wager that group is not insignificant

[polar path]

also the fact that they made a paid DLC free retroactively whiole still selling it

theres a lot of reasons people are review bombing it

and before its said. No. making something free after someone has had years of use is still not a correct thing to do

if i paid $40 for a speaker and then 2 years later said speaker is given out for free to your friends while flaun ting the fact in your face like its a good thing. I would be a bit chapped

[terse lantern]

Like, there is no way either of these reviewers are above the age of 10.

"This is trash! But... I won't tell you why......"

[lavish cliff]

this took way too long

[terse lantern]

"It broke every HOI4 mod"

Yes,

That's what updates do.

It's frustrating, but that is what updates do.

[polar path]

I think it stems more with what paradox has actually done though

[terse lantern]

I didn't even particularly like Waking the Tiger

It's content was barebones and it was overall not very fun

It was more frustrating than fun

[polar path]

outside of the features changed in the base dlc. what has paradox added or changed that has made you go wow! this is awesome thanks paradox!

[terse lantern]

I got it for free and I still barely touched it

[polar path]

to me it has been null

and theyve changed features i was fine with and didnt need fixing

[terse lantern]

In this DLC or in all DLCs?

[polar path]

all to justify another resource to click

[polar path]

this dlc

like post launch updates

[terse lantern]

I'm not sure what they added in post launch updates.

Haven't looked at the changelogs.

[polar path]

coal fixes.

[terse lantern]

Right

Yeah

Okay

So

Did they fix it?

[polar path]

and now the infrastructure nerfs

[polar path]

nope

its nullified

[fickle thicket]

my experience with coal has been fine it does suck it caps how much u can produce in the long run navy tho my fleet range got nerfed

[polar path]

yes but im talking about todays path

this stuff

this stinks

[fickle thicket]

tf

[polar path]

it costs double the IC for sopmething that took one click before

[fickle thicket]

12k ic christ man

[polar path]

thats arbitrary at best

[fickle thicket]

and u can only have 1 per state

[terse lantern]

I actually kinda f with that

[fickle thicket]

thats ass

[terse lantern]

Maybe I'm just weird

IDK

But it makes you specialise

[polar path]

as hungary i could import one set of steel and meet the steel production

[terse lantern]

Makes you think about what you want more than just crapping out a bunch of infrastructure

[polar path]

that would give me 4 civs to work woth early game

[terse lantern]

Though only having fuel capacity as the infrastructure does suck

[polar path]

but now i have to use two civs

[terse lantern]

What's the point in building infrastructure at all?

[polar path]

i dont think its a good change

[polar path]

o it takes up a building slot too

[leaden mulch]

coal doesnt really matter in latest update

[polar path]

so you gain one less mil or civ and have to build a stupid power grid instead

[terse lantern]

Yeah I see what you mean with infrastructure being nerfed but at first glance I do like the electrical grid stuff

[polar path]

it cant copst double the price of inf though

[terse lantern]

Look idk man at the end of the day it's a paradox game

Refund the DLC or mod it out or roll back to a previous version

There are many ways to go about solving your problem

[fickle thicket]

arguably they should change how much coal a factory needs not do these stupid research stuff that takes up ur slots

[polar path]

or we tell them to change it as its not going to work

[polar path]

my main thing is this

majors are fine

[terse lantern]

Sure but do it on the forums at least

[polar path]

they can live

[terse lantern]

The forums exist for people to complain and moan

In my mind discord isn't the place for that

Clogs up the chat

[fickle thicket]

this is hoi general after all

[terse lantern]

Maybe that's just me

[polar path]

what about places like Poland. I don't think its wise to spend time building power lines over mils and civs

[terse lantern]

Yeah that's true haha

[terse lantern]

IDK because instead of playing the new update I'm talking to you about how much it sucks

I've barely touched the DLC as a whole let alone in Poland

[split fulcrum]

What do powerlines even do?

[fickle thicket]

lower coal comsumption

its stupid

and its a tech

[polar path]

and increase resource gain

[terse lantern]

You mean electrical grids?

Or is this something else

[fickle thicket]

bonuses aint worth it

[polar path]

I dont agree with this tbh. pdx rarely checks that and outright ignores things they intend to keep and also. every chat should be used for this if its an issue

[fickle thicket]

yes

[split fulcrum]

What does coal do?

[terse lantern]

No paradox devs are quite active on the forums

Far more active than they are here

I don't think I've ever seen a Paradox dev in this chat

[fickle thicket]

every factory has demand for coal if u run out of coal ur industry slacks

[terse lantern]

But you see them all the time on the forums

[fickle thicket]

its a cap for late game

[polar path]

they sure ignored my countless reports on spearheads and chinese peace deal bugs anyways

[terse lantern]

Like seriously it's good advice if you want to push an issue the best place to do it is on the forums

[polar path]

i push it everywhere

[terse lantern]

Yeah well don't

[polar path]

thats why im here, on the forums, every channel

[terse lantern]

Focus your efforts in the places where you'll get results

[polar path]

why. its the hoi4 general

[polar path]

you can get results anywhere

[terse lantern]

You're wasting your time man

[polar path]

not if i post everywhere

[terse lantern]

No that actually just wastes more of your time

Think of it like this

[polar path]

nah I have ways

[terse lantern]

When you've got a frontline

Your country and your opponent's country both have the line fully manned

Your divs are fully equipped, but a few of theres are pretty poorly equipped.

[polar path]

yeah but i take more of a USSr apporach to things like this. throw everything all at once and it will stick

dont know why your getting worked up about me commenting in the hoi4 discord

thats what its for

[jade plaza]

Is there a channel for countries path's guide?

[terse lantern]

Now you could:
A) Battleplan
B) Micro

If you battleplan you'll get a few green bubbles but ultimately you'll lose a lot of men, or in this idea, time and energy.

If you micro you can push through and focus your efforts where it matters, and you'll save time and effort, and get better results.

Does that make sense?

[polar path]

if i have 4 million men i can lose 800k

[terse lantern]

I'm using the troops as an analogy to real life

[polar path]

i know and im telling you

i post everywhere

[terse lantern]

Right well

Just some friendly advice

[polar path]

well thanks but im still goanna be here, there, and everywhere

[terse lantern]

Take it or leave it I don't particularly mind

[polar path]

like the annoying nat

[terse lantern]

Well, on another topic.

[leaden mulch]

not here

[terse lantern]

For my first game in the new DLC, thinking of going Democratic Japan but specifically putting Mitsumasa Yonai in as Premier.

[terse lantern]

You can ask for help here but people sometimes ignore the questions, so #ask-for-help-here may be better.

[leaden mulch]

I tend to be in #ask-for-help-here

or one of the others

[terse lantern]

I really love that you even have this guy as an option

naval democracy larp incoming lol

[polar path]

you can also personally just go play the game and idgnore my chats entirely i also dont care

I am just there for people to listen

if they do. fine

if they dont. also fine

[terse lantern]

That's okay mate I get what you're saying

You're also allowed to have your opinions on the game and express them

[leaden mulch]

Battleplanning is so goated

[terse lantern]

I'm just giving you some advice as someone who used to operate exactly how you've decided to operate in this situation

Sometimes you can get better results by concentrating your efforts

I'm sick right now so I've gotta take my leave

[polar path]

sometimes yuou can. but with major changes like these ones. you simetimes gotta swing big

hitting evrrything at once

[terse lantern]

I'd wager Paradox is scrambling to address the player concerns behind the scenes anyway

[polar path]

100% the people are not happy. im in multiple servers who all have expressed this change is stupid

[terse lantern]

I haven't seen reviews this negative on a major DLC since I started playing these games and that was half a decade ago

I personally don't have any major gripes with the DLC but clearly a lot of people do

Though I do doubt how genuine some people's gripes are

[devout trench]

can we get a entire update just ONLY for fixing battleplans and ai