hoi4-general

[meager valley]

It’s book of boba fett one

So it’s a lil chopped

[safe wing]

Custom Boba Fett, warhammer 40k guy, and fallout guy

[heavy vigil]

i love that they gave prc a +10% monthly pop growth guy

[meager valley]

Have Imperial Guard and Death Korps of Krieg too

[tepid nova]

I would rather eat 20 year old lemonade

[heavy vigil]

truly what china needed

[shrewd hill]

why do you hate learning from the Napoleon of our time

[viscid stirrup]

absolutely wonderful game

[paper echo]

hehe

[viscid stirrup]

i see the dzungar khanate came back

[safe wing]

I know very little Warhammer and fallout lore

[meager valley]

Rip

[tepid nova]

George B. McClellan of our time

[viscid stirrup]

the napoleon of our time is clearly napoleon

[safe wing]

Eh I’m more into Byzantine history atm

[viscid stirrup]

napoleons like the last general who actually won more than 4/5ths of his battles

[safe wing]

Thats insane

[meager valley]

Depends on the period of Byzantine history for me

[viscid stirrup]

it is

after the time of napoleon, generals studied all the napoleonic battles and those before it

[safe wing]

I’m playing Komnenos era Byzantium in modded medieval 2

[daring geyser]

Do u guys like my hoi4 game

[safe wing]

Thoughts on the battle of Cannae Hannibal Barcas magnum Opus

[viscid stirrup]

and then, after the franco prussian war, the industrial revolution created solid frontlines, not allowing any side to manuever around the enemy

[shrewd hill]

imagine if he didn't annoy Count Bernadotte in Sweden, we might all be speaking French still today

[viscid stirrup]

ok lil bro, bernadotte didnt even contribute that many swedish troops

[tepid nova]

How many FPS

[shrewd hill]

that's my point

[safe wing]

Hannibal encircled 80k men and killed 60k men in a single day with army of 50k

[shrewd hill]

if he didn't annoy Bernadotte that's another front for Russia

[safe wing]

Germany up until world war 1 wanted to recreate Cannae @viscid stirrup

[shrewd hill]

also Tsar Alexander picked a good time to stop fighting the Ottomans LOL

[safe wing]

Which is 2100 years after the original battle

[viscid stirrup]

hannibals troops were battle hardened veterans that won several battles while the roman army was made up mostly of recent conscripts

[meager valley]

I wish you could Balkanize Japan like you could with Germany

Would be fun to unify it

[safe wing]

Yeah but still encircling a larger army with an army almost half the size is still impressive

[viscid stirrup]

they decisively defeated the ottomans at around the same time napoleon was preparing to invade

[shrewd hill]

every war ever in Japan in HOI4 is either the easiest war in human history or complete and utter cancer

[meager valley]

Agreed

[shrewd hill]

why would you want to make Japan a unifying thing

they did the unifying thing in the 1700s

[quiet yacht]

What about a decent italian commie path with civil wars

[safe wing]

Japan is a basically a monoculture in 1936 bar the Ryuku islands and the northern ones

[shrewd hill]

kind of torn on this tbh

[viscid stirrup]

both sides had effectively the same amount of forces actually fighting, because hannibal chose terrain between a river and mountains, restricting the movement of the roman army and making it impossible for them to use their numerical advantage

[safe wing]

They don’t have much history of regionalism since 1600s

[shrewd hill]

while it is true, there are regions of Japan where rural dialects are unintelligible for their neighbours

[meager valley]

Yeah but if you can breakup Germany, Italy, France, UK. Would like the same with Japan

[viscid stirrup]

and by the time the carthaginians encircled the romans, the morale basically collapsed

[shrewd hill]

how would you break up Italy? Industrial north vs rural south?

[safe wing]

Historical hot take I think Byzantium could have survived longer if John II Komnenos lived longer

[meager valley]

It can already get fractured in game wdym

[viscid stirrup]

i hate the monarchy

i hate the monarchists

[safe wing]

This would be Byzantium of 1132 and not post 1204

[viscid stirrup]

i despise them with every fiber of my body

[safe wing]

So they are still reasonably strong

[viscid stirrup]

byzantium collapsed in 1204 already

[shrewd hill]

this is a lukewarm take

[viscid stirrup]

empire of nicotea just revived it

[shrewd hill]

a hot take is that Saloth Sar was misunderstood

[eternal palm]

Thats a bit too simplistic to be true

[viscid stirrup]

actually hot take: i dont want to say it because ill be banned

[eternal palm]

You could make that statement about literally any Situation in roman history

[meager valley]

This is currently how Italy can be divided

[eternal palm]

I mean it's probably true it just doesn't mean anything

[viscid stirrup]

i hate the theocrats

[shrewd hill]

don't say this in Iran

or Saudi Arabia

[safe wing]

John II was competent but he accidentally killed himself in a hunting trip

[eternal palm]

So?

[viscid stirrup]

i hate the theocrats

[eternal palm]

Basil I shouldn't have died :clueless:

[viscid stirrup]

i despise the religious fanatics

[safe wing]

He already gave the turks several bloody noses

[shrewd hill]

why didn't Edward the Confessor just win? is he stupid?

[meager valley]

Japan needs more of these

[shrewd hill]

stop 💀

[safe wing]

The problem was his successor focused on Sicily and not Anatolia which gave Rum time to recover

[eternal palm]

Again, so? Why did Romanos IV lose against the seljuks?

[meager valley]

Bro many countries that start fractured have formables to reform themselves. It’s legit just a fun challenge like Germanys

[eternal palm]

Why was Khalid so broken?

Why was Isaac II so incompetent

[safe wing]

Because Romanos alienated his allies

[shrewd hill]

the game is set in 1936, go back in time and tell Hirohito to fracture his kingdom so you can have more fun

[viscid stirrup]

why was julius ceasar authoritarian

[eternal palm]

My point is that, you can write your fanfic but you could do that at any point in roman history and they would've survived longer

[meager valley]

I’m not saying Japan itself does it. I want to be able to fracture them as other countries

[eternal palm]

It's the same as "the nazis could've won if"

John II is just your starting point for your fanfic

[meager valley]

Like for instance if the UK loses Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland, it gets renamed the England.

[viscid stirrup]

they couldnt have won wdym

[meager valley]

Personally I like this mechanic

[safe wing]

True I’m just playing a mod that starts with John II’s reign

[shrewd hill]

Creep, clearly Stefan Molyneux's take on the fall of the Roman Empire is the most succinct i.e. the Roman Empire fell cos of mass immigration 😂

[viscid stirrup]

literally every country was fighting against them, excluding 15 countries

[eternal palm]

That doesn't make him special in Byzantine history. He's pretty forgettable aswell

[viscid stirrup]

even turkey got involved

[eternal palm]

[meager valley]

Like personally I wish more countries had this mechanic

[viscid stirrup]

i hate all the monarchists

[safe wing]

Thats not what happened as even during Constantines reign Germans were already living inside the empire

[eternal palm]

Trvth Nvke

[meager valley]

If they lose core states, they revert to previous countries

[eternal palm]

You don't say 🤯

Ok you could smell the sarcasm in that one

[shrewd hill]

yeah I agree, Stefan is a moronic bigot lolol

[shrewd hill]

I stuck the joy emoji at the end just to make sure

[safe wing]

Agreed and I don’t even know who he is

[viscid stirrup]

mass migration is literally good. not only does it create new jobs and innovation, it also brings in more tax revenue

[safe wing]

Sorry my history obsessive mode took over

[safe wing]

Yeah it was a good source of manpower for the late roman army

[shrewd hill]

he literally used his video on the fall of the Roman Empire to be like, "ah see? the grain dole and mass immigration is literally when the modern EU invites refugees to live here and pay welfare subsidies to them!"

[viscid stirrup]

67 civil wars must be tiring for the army

[meager valley]

Dude the fact UK becomes England is so cool. 😭 Underrated

[eternal palm]

Double edged sword due to split loyalties

[shrewd hill]

hard agree

[eternal palm]

But I guess that goes for roman soldiers just as well

[viscid stirrup]

i once met ts woman who thought rome conquered the entire world

[eternal palm]

But this immigration take is so stupid on so many levels especially when you consider that the most roman thing ever is to conquer a people and then to take their innovations and make them their own

Thats what rome did during the Republic and early empire

[toxic cypress]

war time baby

[shrewd hill]

it seems like you don't know who Stefan Molyneux is, and for that I am forever envious

[sudden thistle]

Only like a few countries off

[viscid stirrup]

the ideas and innovation will naturally spread through trade and diplomacy

[eternal palm]

Some bigot that read Gibbon once?

Idk not american

Or whoever the fk

[viscid stirrup]

rome couldnt even take gojoseon

[toxic cypress]

cant wait to spam special forces

[shrewd hill]

yeah he quoted like a version of the Oxford or Cambridge History of the Roman Empire that was published in like, 1936 and heavily superseded by new scholarship that debunked his claims

[toxic cypress]

the best way to play this game

[eternal palm]

Lmaooooo

[safe wing]

Gladius is a good example of this

[shrewd hill]

academic dishonesty was off the charts

[safe wing]

Gladius was a Celtic Iberian sword originally

Pilla is another good example too as it was originally created by the Sabines

[toxic cypress]

wow americans REALLY want war

[split fulcrum]

is there ever a chance that austria declines the anschluss?

[safe wing]

I’m not sure why Romans preferred Javelins over archers

[split fulcrum]

cheaper

easier to train and arm

[viscid stirrup]

roman empire couldnt continue existing guys. eventually the people would rise up and defend their rights, restoring democracy

[split fulcrum]

actually archers are cheaper

[viscid stirrup]

it could take tens of thousands of years

[split fulcrum]

but you need to train them

[wicked sentinel]

do the ncns ccp achievements for owning all of roc core only fire if you control everything they had a core on at the start date or every core state they controlled at the start date?

like do i need to unify all of china or just what they had?

[viscid stirrup]

those who make the peaceful revolution impossible make the violent revolution inevitable

[eternal palm]

Garum, Wine, Religion, Coins, dress even language

All not originally roman

What was roman though was their virtues

Those were there from the start

Just the material reality changed

[wicked sentinel]

neither is tomato sauce or pasta but its italian now sooooo

[viscid stirrup]

nothing is originally anyones

[eternal palm]

The phrase german potato exists for the same reason

[viscid stirrup]

all achievements of humanity are the culmination of thousands of years of collective struggle

[eternal palm]

Don't start

DO NOT

[viscid stirrup]

we cannot attribute success to one nationality ethnicity or nation

we should attribute success to all society

[eternal palm]

No u don't

[safe wing]

Gladiatorial games too

[eternal palm]

But honestly you might aswell not create them

Rks are useless

[safe wing]

That was Samnite and Etruian created

[wicked sentinel]

rks are good for the buff they give to the advisor

[eternal palm]

I guess?

But just build hubs

[safe wing]

The Etruscans influenced Rome alot

[eternal palm]

I mean ideally you want a stockpile anyhow?

Guns shouldn't be the problem

[viscid stirrup]

all cavalry and motorized military police

[wicked sentinel]

literally not a single society before Rome that HASNT influenced them, thats what made them so great

[viscid stirrup]

fill the entire template with cavalry

leave nothing empty

[analog ivy]

should my inf div even be 18 width if im making tanks?

[split fulcrum]

hah

[analog ivy]

shouldn't it be like 14 width for holding?

[viscid stirrup]

yes

[eternal palm]

Then your inf should be 16w

[analog ivy]

ah ty

[split fulcrum]

i can complete the anschluss before 1937

[viscid stirrup]

its ok if youre broke

but to minimize resistance

spam cavalry

[eternal palm]

if u have military police, make 50w cav and go secret police, or local autonomy/liberated workers if available

If you don't have Military police 2w cav is fine

[sudden thistle]

Use super heavy tanks with maxxed out heavy tank battalions for garrison

[viscid stirrup]

heck nah

[eternal palm]

If no compliance sure

If compliance then the above is true

[viscid stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-1182720488497099882

[eternal palm]

And only if it's like France, Belgium, Poland

Don't want it as global

[viscid stirrup]

does the occupied state really have negative compliance

[ocean mirage]

the goyxtrmination tech

[eternal palm]

Too little civs to matter

[viscid stirrup]

obviously the best compliance law is liberated workers

[paper echo]

reverse history

[analog ivy]

wait so how difficult is better ai?

is it anything close to sheeps mod?

[viscid stirrup]

do you realize how insanely corrupt and incompetent the KMT was???

[analog ivy]

is there a mod other then sheeps mod that fixes the ai without outright buffing it or making the game really difficult?

[viscid stirrup]

not that i know of

sheeps mod is a really good mod tho

[prisma saddle]

is good?

[tulip thorn]

not enough armor for a good space marine

Heavies and better for that

[prisma saddle]

what u need to add?

[tulip thorn]

heavy tanks are better for space marines

with max armor

[prisma saddle]

alright

[split fulcrum]

@tulip thorn do you think this is good?

i feel like that aint enough attack

[tulip thorn]

💀

Low hp, low attack, low armor bad combat width

[split fulcrum]

how do i change it

[tulip thorn]

36w medium tank division

Wait do you even have no step back

[split fulcrum]

nope

[tulip thorn]

yeah tanks arent good then

[split fulcrum]

i have tank design though

[tulip thorn]

thats no step back

no step back added tank designer

[split fulcrum]

yes

[tulip thorn]

Give me a sec

[split fulcrum]

its free

quite sure

wait where was the tank designer again?

ohh wait no

its navy designer thats free

right i remembered

[tulip thorn]

Well uhhhh

Idk anything about no dlc other than that normal tanks are terrible

[split fulcrum]

where even are the designer things

[tulip thorn]

the only no step back design I know about is in pins ask for help

yes

they start to remove and fix their army and airforce debuffs

Make what harder

hoi4

sheep mod

multiplayer

Play a good mp server germany main

[split fulcrum]

doo dooo doooo

[tulip thorn]

Not a random ass host

[split fulcrum]

where was this designer att

[tulip thorn]

Random hosts suck

[tulip thorn]

click on tanks

When you have the tank designer, medium, light and heavy tank chassis is in your tank tab in production

[split fulcrum]

oh yea

create variant button right?

[tulip thorn]

Thats a old design

Tanks are still shit without nsb

[split fulcrum]

hmmm

should i just not produce tanks then?

they cant be that baad

@tulip thorn i have this

[tulip thorn]

yeah this is bad

Nothing you do will make tanks good

[split fulcrum]

do i just not produce them then

[tulip thorn]

Now I dont know if this is still the way to go with no dlc designs. But here is a good template when you dont have nsb. Strait from #ask-for-help-here

[split fulcrum]

full infantry

[tulip thorn]

There is also special forces

Still good without AAT

[split fulcrum]

i dont have that first icon

[tulip thorn]

That first one is medium self propelled artillery

In the tank tab there are 3 little buttons on tank tech

[split fulcrum]

i dont have the third icon either

[tulip thorn]

Tank Destroyers, Self propelled artillery and self propelled anti air

[tulip thorn]

Thats mechanized

In truck tech

[split fulcrum]

mechanized inf?

i got motorized

[tulip thorn]

Moterized is bad

[split fulcrum]

hmmm

but does it suffice

[tulip thorn]

Calv is better than motorized

[split fulcrum]

until i get mechanized tech

[tulip thorn]

It goes, mech > camels > calv > motorized

[split fulcrum]

theres camels in the game?

[tulip thorn]

yes

for any nation that has territory in north africa and the middle east

[split fulcrum]

@tulip thorn no self proppeled arty

[tulip thorn]

its a tech

[split fulcrum]

i know

[tulip thorn]

Research them

[split fulcrum]

besides the first part

is the rest correct?

[tulip thorn]

Then start making the division

[split fulcrum]

i dont have the rest researched either

[tulip thorn]

Research it first

Waste of xp to design your template now

[split fulcrum]

also what about this?

[kind vale]

Why heavy tanks?

[tulip thorn]

Thats fine

[simple aurora]

anyone got a good medium tank division? playing as Sweden in 1939

[tulip thorn]

Do you have nsb

[split fulcrum]

ask the tank

[kind vale]

30width with cavalry or mechanized and medium tanks

[simple aurora]

only bba and aat

[kind vale]

Use medium tanks not heavy tanks

[split fulcrum]

ahh

mediums

i need to research that

[kind vale]

Yeah they're cheaper so you can get more and they'll work perfectly fine against the ai

[kind vale]

What country are you

[split fulcrum]

germany

[kind vale]

In the army part of the tree if you have the radio you can get a 100% research speed buff for medium tanks

[split fulcrum]

yep

found it

[last cave]

What heavy tank template do you have? Its so terrible tbh

[tulip thorn]

He doesnt have nsb

[split fulcrum]

i am not planning on using that template

[tulip thorn]

So its just the old crappy tanks

[last cave]

K

[kind vale]

Why can't the german ai push the soviets anymore

[last cave]

Gotterdamerung

[kind vale]

They used to in my games before ncns came out

[last cave]

Whats ncns? I play on russian language

[kind vale]

No compromise no surrender

The new dlc

[last cave]

Oh okay

[river gull]

glad this still works

[last cave]

They ruined navy and minors are doomed

💔

Atleast the content is good

[eternal palm]

Wdym they ruined it. It didn't change much

If anything they made it better by making it not stupid

[sudden thistle]

Navy is less cheesing now

Which is great

[eternal palm]

Micro actually matters now yaaay

And supremacy spam isn't as easy as before

[river gull]

i still cant win a battle to save my life but atleast i have a flat 10% consumer goods with germany forever

[simple aurora]

surely this can hold right?

[last cave]

No

[simple aurora]

uh oh

what about 15 divs more

[last cave]

Still cant

USSR will also naval invade

Non stop

[simple aurora]

hmm alright, thanks for the advice 😭

[toxic cypress]

get in da choppa

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-superfighters-deluxe-hop-on-gif-23742204

[last cave]

What do helicopters?

I still didn't figure it out

[toxic cypress]

erm ngl i only use it for the medic support

so i cant say much

[tulip thorn]

These 2 amazing techs

[toxic cypress]

its really good for that doe

[toxic cypress]

i used to use the transport one but

my temp pref changed

so i dont use it now

[last cave]

Wich buffa does it give?

I always use flamepanzers

Thats why I didn't touch Helios

Helis*

[toxic cypress]

anyway its time for the choppas

GET TO DA CHOPPA

[tulip thorn]

Heli transport gives way less supply consumption

[toxic cypress]

flame mediums r good

i like

[last cave]

I don't think its worth then

[tulip thorn]

Its worth if you make alot of tanks

They will run out of fuel slower

[last cave]

I do

Im tank lover

[tulip thorn]

Especially if you didnt use fuel drums on anything

I like tanks

But special forces and air my beloved

[last cave]

Mountaineers ❤️

[tulip thorn]

Mountaineers and marines ❤️

[last cave]

Im mountaineer myself

[toxic cypress]

omg 67 67

[tulip thorn]

Amph tanks my beloved

[last cave]

When i saw the soft i cried but then i saw flame

[tulip thorn]

Why are you putting armor on flame tnaks

[toxic cypress]

im trying out smt new

[tulip thorn]

Their goal is either fuel drums, or breakthrough

Not armor

[toxic cypress]

ive been a mountaineer lover since day one

[tulip thorn]

or attack

[toxic cypress]

cause im rich bro

[last cave]

Mine personality is aby being mountaineer

[toxic cypress]

i can make millions of these

[tulip thorn]

Thats pointless

[toxic cypress]

🤷‍♂️

when ur playing the usa

[tulip thorn]

Millions of not good flame tanks is pointless

[toxic cypress]

nothing matters

cause ur rich ash

[last cave]

Enternal republic

[icy crescent]

Is it possible to have enough armor to be a space marine when using flame tanks and recon tank on a basic infantry division?

[paper echo]

bro is doing a death wish

[last cave]

Wich country

[tulip thorn]

Breakthrough

[tulip thorn]

But the breakthrough

[toxic cypress]

well tbf im playing usa for the new navy mechanics

[icy crescent]

Nvm, I just realized that you need a facility for that.
Most minors don't start with one or can get one quickly.

[toxic cypress]

i aint really doing the whole

invade stuff thing

[tulip thorn]

Navy my beloved

[tulip thorn]

You ever see this

[toxic cypress]

its erm

lil wierd

[toxic cypress]

💔 their so cooked

[last cave]

Ur navy is doomed

[toxic cypress]

i always put max anti air on my states

germany is cooked

[last cave]

💔💔💔

[toxic cypress]

1000 UNITS YO WHAT

[last cave]

I once played as China, and dayum i was fighting whole world bcs i attcked com china

[tulip thorn]

This america game is so painful

It took me 3 hours to get a good landing in italy

[paper echo]

lol

[tulip thorn]

Every dday I do fails

Max buffing the axis was a mistake

[simple aurora]

it's looking okay

[daring geyser]

there aint nothing 5000 cas, a good mountaineer marine template and stratbombing the axis to hell cant do, dempsey

[tulip thorn]

I cant cas really anywhere

I only got the landing in italy because the germans moved their airforce for a split second allowing for my cas to work

[daring geyser]

try luring the AI airforce

[tulip thorn]

Thats what I did

[daring geyser]

trade with them on an airzone where you can trade positive

[heavy vigil]

tacwedie...

[tulip thorn]

I only trade positive

The germans have 130k planes in stockpile

[heavy vigil]

positive compared to production?

[paper echo]

spreading freedom in china

[tulip thorn]

and 40k on the field

[daring geyser]

get like 50000 tons of military factories on fighters and trade with them until they run out of stockpile or fuel or anything

[tulip thorn]

yes

150 factories on planes

1944 air frame

[ancient marsh]

what tag

[tulip thorn]

They are never running out of fuel sadly

[daring geyser]

they should get ducked cuz of economy of conquest and coal

[vivid juniper]

Well, this has been an interesting game

[tulip thorn]

I literally gave them infinite everything for fun

💀

[ancient marsh]

can you overwhelm vichy

[split fulcrum]

great britian

[tulip thorn]

I wanted to play america, but ai is normally way to easy. And I dont want to down grade for sheep mod

[daring geyser]

unless you can trade positive enough until their airforce dies or secure air superiority somewhere you better start quitting

[ancient marsh]

and then try to dday in lowlands or normandy

[split fulcrum]

thats alot of great britian

[heavy vigil]

💔

[ancient marsh]

just do air trades in italy

[heavy vigil]

just get supersonic atp

[vivid juniper]

They went non-aligned and it was perfect

[daring geyser]

or play long enough til you can produce ICBMs with thermonukes

[vivid juniper]

Having them is nice

[tulip thorn]

Rushing that lol

just going to nuke air fields

[heavy vigil]

thats how you win in mp btw

nono builds his US for it

[copper sluice]

yo

[vivid juniper]

I also got Japan because they are not aligned and it’s a power couple

[daring geyser]

yeah thats what i do as germany, dont start the war until 1960

[split fulcrum]

@vivid juniper also did italy romania and turkey randomly sink into the sea?

[split fulcrum]

seems like finland is with them too

[vivid juniper]

I’m using the FPS map

You can’t see them

[split fulcrum]

i know

[heavy vigil]

you should let me play ger and ill just do no war until 1990

[split fulcrum]

it just looks funny

same color as ocean

[vivid juniper]

A lot better performance with the map

[daring geyser]

deutchsland deutchsland uber alles!

[vivid juniper]

I ended up getting Japan to join me as well since they were at war with the Soviets and oh my God, the power couple from this

Mittleuropa is popping

[daring geyser]

bro why does my status say im playing gta san andreas

[vivid juniper]

Soviets had a Civil War so they’re a lot easier to fighht

[daring geyser]

i closed it through HTOP

[tulip thorn]

Because its peak

This is the average air battle btw

Building air bases like crazy

[wooden flame]

Chat whats your opinion on piracy?

[tulip thorn]

My opinion is its banned to talk about in this server

[wooden flame]

Ic ic...

[daring geyser]

we don't like jack sparrow in this server

[wooden flame]

Anyways bye bye

[tulip thorn]

Sad

[vivid juniper]

To rebuild my puppets in the east am I supposed to puppet and release

For German empire run

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/jar-of-dirt-gif-25743768

but he has a jar of dirt

[daring geyser]

I took ibuprofen and I still have a headache 🎵

this sucks

[quasi viper]

?

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/tip-hat-jack-sparrow-gif-18080055

[tulip thorn]

I dont think we got new generic guys

Because mr generico is the best

[daring geyser]

we do have new generic guys im p sure

but they killed el generico in ToA

that was the day the world turned grey

[tulip thorn]

Because mr generico is peak

[quasi viper]

https://tenor.com/view/moana-delete-maui-delete-this-gif-15101621

[tulip thorn]

El generico is also peak

[tulip thorn]

no

mr generico is the best

[toxic cypress]

aint look right but it works

idk if rangers really useful

prolly better if i just stick to marines n mountaineers

[tulip thorn]

Havent tested them much

[quasi viper]

They all look constipated to heck

[tulip thorn]

Im sure the 15th british D day will work this time

Without air support

[daring geyser]

"don't worry... the royal army is here to save the day... god save our gracious king" dies in normandy

[tulip thorn]

Thats what they keep doing lol

All adults serve

The liberation of the netherlands is underway

Im sure it will work

Ok now to be fair to the uk

They are slowly taking norway

or they were

[toxic cypress]

same

honestly when i looked at rangers

its kinda just a worse mountaineer

plus its urban bonus aint nothing like flame tanks

[tulip thorn]

Its just a mountaineer for forests and jungles

[daring geyser]

hoi4 1.17 is very good in concept

but not so great in how it was implemented

[toxic cypress]

which is kinda useless

[tulip thorn]

Bad in execution

[gentle briar]

i maybe shouldnt say this but there is a way to get all dlcs for free

where could i report that?

[daring geyser]

1.16 (the nether update) was much better

[tulip thorn]

Not useless, just not useful

[tulip thorn]

Its funny because 1.16 minecraft was better than the 1.17 we got in minecraft

[gentle briar]

ig

[tulip thorn]

1.17 didnt even have everything promised

It took them to 1.18 to put more promised in

[toxic cypress]

ehh

[daring geyser]

tbf i stopped playing minecraft entirely in 2020

everything past 1.16 is novelty to me

[tulip thorn]

I play minecraft for like 2 weeks strait every year with some friends

[toxic cypress]

its not like this was nerfed

[daring geyser]

same, but i never remember the new features

[tulip thorn]

Damn

[daring geyser]

my brain is like stuck to 1.16

[toxic cypress]

when recon rangers exist why would u ever wanna use rangers

[tulip thorn]

1.16 was peak, but not in hoi4 lol

Goe nightmares

[daring geyser]

1.16 hoi4 was pretty good honestly

1.14 was better tho

ONE might even say hoi4 1.11 was the peak of hoi4

[paper echo]

next time dont invade tibet

[tulip thorn]

peak was 1.0 trust

[jaunty heath]

Real

Whatever was before AAT was where I probably had the most fun in the game

[paper echo]

thermo nukes are the goat

launched like 5 of them in china

[paper echo]

game was simplier

[jaunty heath]

That's why

[tulip thorn]

Next time dont cap to japan

[jaunty heath]

And many funny mods were supported then

[paper echo]

now you have shit like coal or naval invasion prep time based on how many naval invasions you are planning at the same time

[tulip thorn]

AAT is a great dlc

Like tbh

[paper echo]

bro is NOT happy

peak map

[tulip thorn]

Bro is free in your game lol

I puppeted him

[jaunty heath]

It's great, but most of the fun I've had on hoi4 was then lowk

[paper echo]

cuz engl*nd was annoying

[split fulcrum]

what

how do i get the soviets to join me against poland

[jaunty heath]

#explodebritain

[paper echo]

i could do it

my army navy and air are superior

[tulip thorn]

the british liberation of the netherlands did not work

[paper echo]

can you guess the nation

[split fulcrum]

how do i get the soviets to joiiin

[paper echo]

cordon sanitaire

[heavy vigil]

sweden?

[paper echo]

they dont

[paper echo]

nope

ill give you 1 more try

[split fulcrum]

what

are they not gunna invade?

[paper echo]

they dont join the war you just give the land once you cap poland

[split fulcrum]

hmmmm

[heavy vigil]

idk spain?

[jaunty heath]

Казахстан угрожает нам бомбардировкой 💔💔🗣️🗣️🗣️

[split fulcrum]

so they do nothing

and still get half of poland

[heavy vigil]

france

[paper echo]

turkey..

[heavy vigil]

29 docks??

crazy work

[paper echo]

WHERE DID TURKEY GROW 98 CIVS AND 60 MILS

did they do the investment stuff or what

[heavy vigil]

oh thats not too hard

you get quite a lot of eco

[paper echo]

i have never seen turkish ai do that

[heavy vigil]

+trade

[jaunty heath]

It's 1947 vro

They can build alot

[paper echo]

imma mess around with allowdiplo

[jaunty heath]

Nuke ankara

Just do it!

[grizzled yarrow]

hi guys
whats a fun democratic path i can play?

[drifting adder]

Brazil

[jaunty heath]

None

It's psychological torture

[drifting adder]

Can core most of South and central America without firing a single shot

[grizzled yarrow]

hhhhhh

[drifting adder]

Brazil is one of my fav nations because of that. Though others might disagree lol

[jaunty heath]

Tho there is an American rework mod with a cool democratic path

[grizzled yarrow]

use is kinda weird to play

[drifting adder]

And there's a Britain rework mod that is pretty similar

[grizzled yarrow]

i mean

[tulip thorn]

Japan and germany

[grizzled yarrow]

when u play uk u kinda just play the fascist path

[tulip thorn]

thats about it

[grizzled yarrow]

germany?

[tulip thorn]

The german democratic path

Its fun

[grizzled yarrow]

i lowk suck at playing germany cuz of the allies

i guess that solves my problem?

[tulip thorn]

The allies are really easy to deal with but yeah

[paper echo]

cool

[halcyon pasture]

Been playing so much hoi4 and bannerlord that I had a dream where when frontlines connected it was a bannerlord fight but with hoi4 context

[grizzled yarrow]

i cant rlly make it across the english channel

i know almost nun about the navy and i need 10000 fricking fighters to get across the channel

[paper echo]

happy?

[jaunty heath]

Yes

Very

I'm overjoyed

[tulip thorn]

They have so many fighters

[paper echo]

WHAT

[tulip thorn]

they have 9k per airzone 💀

[paper echo]

did the released austria do austria hungary path?????

this game gets weirder and weirder every day

[tulip thorn]

The historical austria path is literally reforming the austrian empire lol

and becoming the new and better germany

[paper echo]

what is hoi4 on bro

[tulip thorn]

Idk

Austria really never gets to finish any of that

Due to being annexed

But if someone playing italy makes a faction with them

Germany cant annex

[paper echo]

doing it cuz why not

military base

[heavy vigil]

guh

[spiral sphinx]

what a template

[daring geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1157428768030339072/1341301869380767825/speechmemified_pasteimage_8.gif

[split fulcrum]

uurah how do i get these guys to attack

i set it to execute battle plans aggressively

[heavy vigil]

it has no silly stufg

[toxic cypress]

mmmm yummers

[toxic cypress]

@tulip thorn im going back

the rangers r truly useless

[split fulcrum]

are those trees in your army?

[toxic cypress]

rangers

dont worry their literally useless

[viscid swift]

guys do i try to keep pehr evind svinhufvud?

for finland

[trail beacon]

nice game

[toxic cypress]

spent years waiting for this

[spiral sphinx]

4 years or the other thing in germany

[toxic cypress]

yeah ok mexico aint gonna hold

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova strategic genius strikes again

the guys left the way to warsaw unguarded

[tepid nova]

finally some improvement 💔

Proud of you

[split fulcrum]

also those guys dont have supply cuz the encircled troops are owning the railroads

i needa beat em first

[toxic cypress]

expected to have some resistence

the uk is really bad

[viscid swift]

fellas

[hexed rose]

Why is the USSR airforce so bad

[sudden thistle]

Press the arrow above the general

[viscid swift]

uhh because history

[viscid swift]

[split fulcrum]

theyre not attacking

they did at first

then stopped

i hadda do it manually

[sudden thistle]

And half ur divs aren’t assigned

[sudden thistle]

Usually just stop it and then do it again

[fair horizon]

chat how much coal does australia have?

[sudden thistle]

Imma guess and say 27

(Don’t have a clue)

[fair horizon]

is that good?

[toxic cypress]

ts just so beautiful

[toxic cypress]

pretty close

[viscid swift]

there's oil in australia?

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova aww i lost warsaw

it was a dumb cap anyways

but very funny indeed

[tepid nova]

why are you so bad

capture random

radom

[toxic cypress]

yes

[slim nexus]

what bro im surprised hes better than me in my first hours ngl actually i died too much

[sudden thistle]

For a minor yeah

[viscid swift]

knock knock motherfuckers

its the united states of america

and i hear u got some oil that isnt under my possesion

[split fulcrum]

true

[sudden thistle]

Encircle

[tepid nova]

now go north

[split fulcrum]

oh

[sudden thistle]

Empty tiles taken=dopamine

[split fulcrum]

i just saw that

the empty tiles

[split fulcrum]

especially when its warsaw

dude that felt so satisfying

[sudden thistle]

Someone understands the peak of hoi4

3000 hours and counting yet the dopamine still comes

[split fulcrum]

ohhhh

its like butter

slicing through butter

warm butter

[toxic cypress]

someone play freebird

[verbal pecan]

Hello everyone 👋

[sudden thistle]

Did u change ur unit models to helicopters

[toxic cypress]

get smoked

[toxic cypress]

oh yeah i shld have

GET TO DA CHOPPA

https://tenor.com/view/arnold-schwarzenegger-torch-victory-mud-gif-26707508

[split fulcrum]

@tepid nova the poles capitulated

250k dead

german soldiers

better than before

[solemn hinge]

How many poles?

[split fulcrum]

602k poles

[solemn hinge]

By when did you cap them?

[split fulcrum]

january 1939

so it took me like

a year

[toxic cypress]

get packed

[solemn hinge]

Why are you going so early?

[split fulcrum]

why not

[solemn hinge]

Did you only do poles are all of the allies?

[split fulcrum]

what

im at war with the allies

[solemn hinge]

Did Poland join the allies?

[split fulcrum]

yes

[solemn hinge]

Ok

[kind vale]

Can you destroy screens with torpedo attack?

[north spoke]

I think so

Naval is confusing

[kind vale]

Im tryna test out a few things as Germany i wanna be able to destroy the royal navy

[desert pollen]

idk how it was pre update but the og meta was submarine spam

raise submarine torpedo attack as much as possible and lower sub visible as much as possible

[kind vale]

Subs suck now

[desert pollen]

i haven’t played since the update 🤷‍♀️

i had a crazy roman empire save going and then the game updated so i lost motivation to play 😔

[kind vale]

Im thinking of making a navy focused around cruisers

[kind vale]

Play as japan, its fun

[desert pollen]

i hate asia games, its attrition simulator

only country in asia i’ve ever been good with is soviet china

[kind vale]

Eh you can beat china in a month as japan

[desert pollen]

i never learnt the japan meta i always just played majors but started civil wars

played majors, destroyed them, rebuilt them

[kind vale]

😭

[vivid juniper]

What the hell is the treaty of Brussels? I noticed this once I completed my World War II and everyone was fricking, trying to leave me for trying it to justify on someone

[heavy vigil]

not for justifying

they just leave for fun

[vivid juniper]

Because I finished the war with the Soviets and Japan and some of my bulkan buddies, all left my faction

[paper echo]

when they do that treaty people either choose to accept it or leave the faction

[crystal marsh]

wait you can get up to 6 research slots as communist china?

[broken sky]

bulgaria was actually the rightful ruler of the balkans

[viscid swift]

guys is it possible that a mod like this makes germany attack ussr before the munich agreement on historical?

[vivid juniper]

I see

[paper echo]

its basically the thing before you form nato

[sudden thistle]

No

[vivid juniper]

Which I did so it makes sense also annoying

[viscid swift]

then why the hell does it do that..

[sudden thistle]

I’m confused

[viscid swift]

uhh is this supposed to happen

[sudden thistle]

Everything is just twice as fast

[crystal marsh]

special goods eh

[heavy vigil]

yes it does

because of 2x focus speed lol

[crystal marsh]

bro really said 🥀

[heavy vigil]

germany doesnt have the army to go czechs > goes barb instead

[grizzled root]

Hey chat just asking

Is this game really hard to play

[heavy vigil]

playing? no not really

learning? yeah

[sudden thistle]

Hoi4 ai 🥀

[kind vale]

Isn't banning them better in the long run

[faint tusk]

It looks overwhelming, but you just gotta use common sense usually

[grizzled root]

Which DLCs are worth it? I'm not spending £90 on the mega bundle

[zinc light]

Greece looking mighty powerful (Albania and Turkey are my puppets)

[faint tusk]

To get the most bang out of your buck

Probs No step Back first

Götterdämmerung is very popular

[grizzled root]

I might just play mods then (are they all free)

[faint tusk]

All mods are free

[haughty bison]

yh mods are free

just download them from steam workshops

[faint tusk]

RT56 is basically a free dlc, but u probs know this already

[haughty bison]

the great war , kaiserreich , TNO , TFR all great mods

[viscid swift]

ohhhh

alright

[faint tusk]

I wanna make my own mod, but its kinda confusing, not the coding part but the process of it

[haughty bison]

maybe there a yt tutorial?

[round apex]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[molten forge]

What a luck

[faint tusk]

Yh i should check out some unofficial tutorials,the official one kinda didn‘t make sense

[round apex]

Say maybe

[viscid swift]

click never

[molten forge]

am def losing against em

[haughty bison]

paradox making good tutorial is a myth

[viscid swift]

still do it

[molten forge]

...

[warm iron]

the ai won't declare war after this event

[molten forge]

am latvia

also good joke

[warm iron]

they only declare if it's soviets

or poland

[lavish pelican]

or France

[viscid swift]

guys how many divisions should i have for the winter war as finland

[haughty bison]

just ally with ger and help them win

[grizzled root]

I heard most of them are really good, which one do you recommend

[viscid swift]

because its february of 1938 and i have 30

[lavish pelican]

30

[viscid swift]

alright thats great

[lavish pelican]

40 combat with

[molten forge]

am communist

[round apex]

@molten forge good boy

[haughty bison]

bruh

[molten forge]

am latvia tho

not lithuania

[viscid swift]

i'll try to possibly squeeze in like 50 but im not sure if its possible

[warm iron]

you're all the same

[round apex]

Yeah all the same

[lavish pelican]

deutsch?

[viscid swift]

huh

[lavish pelican]

are you german?

[viscid swift]

nope

polish

[warm iron]

me neither

[round apex]

Yes

[molten forge]

true i guess

[crystal marsh]

it is

[lavish pelican]

ANGETRETEN

[viscid swift]

are u speaking the wizard language

[warm iron]

AUF GEHTS

[round apex]

BEREIT

[molten forge]

your ass both justified and asked for memel

[haughty bison]

hes preparing a contengincy plan lol

[supple summit]

yo lads collaberation government vs 100% compliance?

[viscid swift]

[supple summit]

oof

[haughty bison]

what you playing?

[viscid swift]

fins

[haughty bison]

dont worry your sisu is op

[viscid swift]

yuh i know

[supple summit]

whats sisu

[haughty bison]

you can hold them easy just be carful of naval invasion it happened to me T-T

[supple summit]

oh damn

[haughty bison]

a buff fins have

[viscid swift]

i'll use the 6 ships i have

[viscid swift]

hm do i wanna hold or push..

[haughty bison]

hold the ussr will flood you with division

wait till germany barb

[viscid swift]

uhh its doing half barbarrosa

the forbidden romanian barbarossa

[haughty bison]

oh

[haughty bison]

wtf

what happened lol

[viscid swift]

as i said, the forbidden romanian barbarossa

[haughty bison]

just wait till the axis push deep enought and push

[warm iron]

it's because sweden garantues romania since the new dlc

[viscid swift]

i dont have the new dlc

[round apex]

Nah what r u saying??

[viscid swift]

it just happens, i know why but its not that important

[warm iron]

it's in the basegame to

[round apex]

Tannu Tuva

[haughty bison]

its probably romania joining the axis made them refuse to give land

[viscid swift]

tannu what??

[haughty bison]

which ended in war

[haughty bison]

country east of ussr

[supple summit]

anyone know if having a collaberation government is better or having 100% compliance on a territory

[viscid swift]

no germany attacked the ussr before munich agreement and made hungary and romania join

[warm iron]

no, it's because of sweden

[haughty bison]

idk tbh dont have la resitance

[viscid swift]

no yea ik

[supple summit]

ok

[haughty bison]

tf is that unhistorical path?

[viscid swift]

nope its historical

do not even ask me

[haughty bison]

bruh

its your game

[warm iron]

comintern is so op now, since they buffed tannatuva

[haughty bison]

pause the game and switch to ger and show us there focus tree

[viscid swift]

wdym

[dusky burrow]

noooooooo

[haughty bison]

i want to see germany focus tree to know wtf they doing

[viscid swift]

how do i even do that

[haughty bison]

press ~ button above tab

type tag ger

it will switch you to germany

dont do that if your doing ironman tho

[broken sky]

What

[haughty bison]

it will stop you from doing achievement

[broken sky]

What country event is that from

[haughty bison]

wtf

did they really take war with ussr before poland

[viscid swift]

apparentally

[haughty bison]

btw finaland tag is FIN

[viscid swift]

i just loaded a save from one day before

[haughty bison]

just wanted to tell you so you know how to switch , tag are the majority of time the first 3 letter of a country

[paper echo]

on ironman you cant even do commands

[steel trench]

Everyone in my faction is my puppet. Does anybody know why "The Soviet Onion" Achievement isn't popping up?

[paper echo]

pressing ` on ironman does nothing

[paper echo]

congo

[kind vale]

What weaponry should I have on a heavy ship

[sudden thistle]

Korea

[paper echo]

yeah korea too

[steel trench]

shiiittt

[paper echo]

saudi and greece too

[steel trench]

can I just release everything

[sudden thistle]

Wait

[steel trench]

as a puppet

[sudden thistle]

Like all of Asia

[paper echo]

as stalin ussr i dont think so

[ancient marsh]

looks like Saudi arabia

[haughty bison]

Oh fr? Never tried so i thought simply disable it

[ancient marsh]

And Congo and korea

and Greece

why did you annex everything

[paper echo]

china,sweden siam indonesia

[ancient marsh]

if u were going for soviet onion

😞

[paper echo]

belgium

luxembourg

tibet

bro messed up

and im sure you have more neighbors that are not puppets but they are not in the pic

[vivid juniper]

Why does the US AI release so many Democratic nations?

[paper echo]

the allied ai does that in general

[viscid swift]

i think ur cooked by now ngl

[sudden thistle]

Democracy 🦅 🦅

[kind vale]

As Germany should I build cruisers or battle ships?

[thick kettle]

dlc already flopped

[viscid swift]

build everything

everything

trust me

[kind vale]

No

Ships are expensive

[viscid swift]

i'd go for battleships then

[kind vale]

Im not building everything

[kind vale]

But they cost more, I could get more out of building heavy cruisers

[paper echo]

dlc is good but price is so much

[thick kettle]

not getting this at all bro

😭

[paper echo]

i did 😭

good but not worth the price

[thick kettle]

any price that goes over 25-30$ for a dlc i'm not buying it at all

[paper echo]

its a reskinned dlc

[thick kettle]

of?

[paper echo]

waking the tiger

it has japan content and china content

wtt was about that too

making a dlc of a dlc 💔

[split bane]

And Philippines but nobody cares about them

[thick kettle]

lmao

[paper echo]

true

[thick kettle]

plus litearlly added more warlords

[paper echo]

i like that cuz i can balkanize china more now

[kind vale]

Wait till steam sales

[kind vale]

Made it more historical

[round pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/amelie-fitgirl-fitgirl-repacks-repacks-amelie-fitgirl-gif-11182485922846655034

[thick kettle]

litearlly screws over nationalist chinese players more