hoi4-general

[tulip thorn]

Wdym

The new navy system is awesome

Makes navy fun again

[atomic grove]

just get a bunch of good light cruisers

to destroy the destroyers

so you can destroy their better ships

easier

[tulip thorn]

I was always someone who liked navy

[atomic grove]

easy way to dominate in navy

[tulip thorn]

The new systerm makes me love it even more

[atomic grove]

btw why do u hate the new navy system

there arent really much changes

[tulip thorn]

People just want strike force to work like before

[atomic grove]

its more buffy than nerfy

[atomic grove]

honestly i didnt like that one

[tulip thorn]

People want naval dominance by just strike forcing

I dislike that

[lost hemlock]

i feel that my ships and crews just die really fast, and i have no clue why especially since im spamming carriers and destroyers

[atomic grove]

it makes no sense for a country to instantly gain supremacy

in 1 second

[tulip thorn]

Make light crusiers

[lost hemlock]

cruisers are gross

[tulip thorn]

The only destroyers you should be making are cheap crappy ones

[lost hemlock]

carriers are based

[atomic grove]

ur supposed to destroy the destroyers

thats literally why u make light cruisers

[tulip thorn]

Well carriers are useless without screens

[atomic grove]

to kill the heavy boats/better boats better

[lost hemlock]

and pumping out 10 destroyers a month is cool

[atomic grove]

if u have like 70-100+ destroyers u dont need to build more

[lost hemlock]

dont they have screens in their ship

[tulip thorn]

This has got to be bait

[atomic grove]

unless u for some reason have a shit ton of non destroyer ships

[lost hemlock]

i never understood navy and spammed carriers, subs, and destroyers and that dominated

[atomic grove]

oh well

whatever works for you in the current i guess

how bout no

<@&846894118219022336>

[lost hemlock]

grok, blow him up

[lost hemlock]

but the new update ruined that strategy

[lost hemlock]

its not bait, im being honest

[atomic grove]

it still kind of works

[safe wing]

Have you even tried using navy in the last update

[atomic grove]

just not as effective as before

[devout trench]

https://tenor.com/view/british-soldier-redcoat-officer-oh-gif-18650366

this is even bad by ww1 standards

[merry pond]

whats worse, its these images are labeled as .gifs

[atomic grove]

no

he means ragebait

not the scammer guy

[lost hemlock]

kinda, but my fleets always died in first encounter

[devout trench]

😭

no wonder why

[safe wing]

Then try again and again until you figure out what works that’s what I do

[lost hemlock]

and i never figured out why

[atomic grove]

kill, the, destroyers

[merry pond]

pulveraise this buck

[atomic grove]

build light cruisers

[devout trench]

you had nothing to protect the major ships in your fleet

[safe wing]

“Success is walking from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill

[atomic grove]

its kind of the meta

[tulip thorn]

Bro

What happening is you dont have enough screens

or light attack

Make light cruisers

[lost hemlock]

counter point destroyers are based, whats better, 239 small pizzas or 1 large pizza

[tulip thorn]

Doesnt work like that in hoi4

Your destroyers have no stats

They are like 239 small pizzas with nothing but the crust

They are nothing more than bait for your enemys light attack ships

[atomic grove]

thats assuming you're making really good destroyers

[lost hemlock]

dude, my destroyers usually have the best naval guns in the game

[atomic grove]

and somehow mass producing them

[tulip thorn]

Well thats bad, those are some expensive destroyers that will still die

[atomic grove]

destroyers are kind of meant for the defense of ur better ships

[tulip thorn]

Light cruisers with armor do amazing light attack and dont really die as much

[atomic grove]

thats how they will work for many of the naval battles you will have

[lost hemlock]

nah im good, the us didnt really produce light cruisers so i dont need to either

[atomic grove]

sadly hoi4 is not like real life

[tulip thorn]

Far from it

[atomic grove]

you can have a single tank division beat like 40 infantry divisions

[lost hemlock]

if it was then the soviet tech tree would be horrendously bad

[tulip thorn]

Irl divisions are horrible in hoi4

[atomic grove]

yeah

[lost hemlock]

also this game has an anti american bias

[atomic grove]

hoi4 assumes that every country is able to have the capacity to like build 2 billion tanks per second

[tulip thorn]

how so lmao

The us is sandbox mode

[spiral sphinx]

us is op and easy to play

[tulip thorn]

Unlimited factories, unlimited manpower

The us has everything

[spiral sphinx]

ye

[tulip thorn]

The us is the only nation in the game that can stand up to the british navy at the start

[lost hemlock]

the m1 garand alone should dominate every battlefield, the m4 sherman should shred everything it comes across, and their naval strategy of spamming destroyers, and carriers doesnt work

[tulip thorn]

Thats just you using real tactics to win a fictional war

Thats nothing like the real ww2

skill issue honestly

[atomic grove]

the only downside is you have to wait till 1941 to actually do something

[tulip thorn]

If you used real german tactics you would lose

[spiral sphinx]

then you would have tu buff german weapons too, no?

[tulip thorn]

Same goes for every nation

[lost hemlock]

only if its semi auto, this game also doesnt make the vt fuze as strong as it should be

[tulip thorn]

if you are losing as the us

Its not a game issue

or a anti american bias

its a skill issue

and not the understanding of game mechanics

[sudden thistle]

Truth

The US is so incredibly easy

[spiral sphinx]

you have a crazy industry

you can spam tanks

[tulip thorn]

Germany and usa literal sandbox mode

[sudden thistle]

If u put 7 brain cells together u just win

[spiral sphinx]

you can rlly do anything

[tulip thorn]

the only negative debuff the usa has is the great depression

[lost hemlock]

i dont loose as the us, its just that theyre not as strong as they should be, and their equipment is increadibly weak compared to real life

[manic iris]

hi guys

[tulip thorn]

Just like every nation lol

All guns have the same stats

gun 1-4 are the same in every nation

[manic iris]

guys im back from school im going to ignore every project i have to watch tutorials on this game lets go

[atomic grove]

yes

but u do basically nothing till 1941

[tulip thorn]

thats where mios come in and rushing gun 3

[spiral sphinx]

you can invade mexico

lol

[atomic grove]

realistically what would that even do though

[tulip thorn]

You need to play alf landon for that

[atomic grove]

yeah u get a few destroyers

[tulip thorn]

Do you really want to play alf landon

[lost hemlock]

i also dont understand why the smg is somehow better than a semi auto full powered rifle

[atomic grove]

no

[tulip thorn]

(ofc you want to play alf landon)

[atomic grove]

just wait till mexico nationalizes their oil

then kill them

[tulip thorn]

I forgot about that

[spiral sphinx]

idk

[tulip thorn]

I never really play the us

[spiral sphinx]

fun

[tulip thorn]

Just enjoy the game

Hoi4 isnt the hyper realistic ww2 sim

[spiral sphinx]

We need a weapon designer fr

[lost hemlock]

its hard when it crashes when i load my save file

[tulip thorn]

Its a silly little grand strategy game that takes place in ww2

[tulip thorn]

What year is your save file in

[lost hemlock]

1938, check #ask-for-help-here

[tulip thorn]

Your in road to 56

You see the little red ! on the save file

hover over

[lost hemlock]

shut up

let me explain

[tulip thorn]

Is that save from last update or something

[lost hemlock]

so i have a second video recorded that shows off more however the video file is too large

also this was a save file that was made literally yesterday

[slim nexus]

Anyone wanna play a mp game

[lost hemlock]

and those ! were because i removed 2 outdated mods that literally changed nothing

[spiral sphinx]

that seems like a mod issue tho?

[tulip thorn]

Its probably a r56 issue

Its 100% a r56 issue

[manic iris]

so i have to know what each one of these things is huh

[lost hemlock]

except that my other saves with r56 works perfectly fine

[sudden thistle]

Just infantry spam for like 2000 hours

[spiral sphinx]

mods have buggs too?

[sudden thistle]

Trust

[tulip thorn]

you only need to know, soft attack, hp, combat width and armor. In single player

[tulip thorn]

Then its a R56 issue

[lost hemlock]

its literally a case of that specific save file is crap

[lost hemlock]

no its not

[tulip thorn]

It literally is

R56 saves just like to die

I know from experience

[spiral sphinx]

ye

[ivory hull]

whats the best infantry sub doctrine?

[manic iris]

i legit cant figure out how to even make infantery

[lost hemlock]

then explain why when i load from an earlier save it also crashes in may 1938

[tulip thorn]

Because its a r56 issue lol

[spiral sphinx]

maybe the ai doing stuff that shouldnt be done

[tulip thorn]

that doesnt happen base game

The ai is doing something wonky in your R56 game

[lost hemlock]

but if it was a r56 issue than my saves as ameirca would also crash the game

[tulip thorn]

Causing an error

[tulip thorn]

not always

In that specific game

[spiral sphinx]

AI was sending me volunteers while they were in a war

[lost hemlock]

only thing i can think of is japan annexing manchuria

[tulip thorn]

The ai did something it shouldnt have

and crashed

Check error logs

[lost hemlock]

i dont know where that is

[tulip thorn]

its in the game files

[manic iris]

guys question, the dudes below the officers or whatever, do they lead the army themselfs or do i have to

[lost hemlock]

but where

[tulip thorn]

ok its in documents

[spiral sphinx]

you need to give them orders

but then they work

[spiral sphinx]

but the ai someties does dumb stuff

[tulip thorn]

Then crashes

Then you can see all your crash logs

[lost hemlock]

no clue what im looking at

[tulip thorn]

Find the most recent crash

[brittle wave]

I’m trying to naval Norway but my dominance is stuck at 0 even when I have 90% of my navy on patrol in there and norways fleet is destroyed

This is pissing me off

[tulip thorn]

click logs

and then the error.log

Thats all I know

Idk where to find the error number

im sure someone in tech support can help

[brittle wave]

Can someone please help with this bs

Why tf don’t I have any naval dominance

They on patrol

[candid rain]

You need to wait for it to build up

[brittle wave]

How long does it take?

[candid rain]

Idk, not too long tho

[brittle wave]

Bro it’s against Norway and they been there for like 5 mins

And it’s still stuck at 0

[candid rain]

Are your ships ordered to engage?

[tulip thorn]

Why is your main fleet split into 6

[brittle wave]

I don’t know

[brittle wave]

What strike force?

[tulip thorn]

Merg them into one

[brittle wave]

How do I do that

[candid rain]

No, the engagement settings

[brittle wave]

Oh yeah wait I see

I merged them

[brittle wave]

Where is that?

[candid rain]

At this point you need to watch a navy tutorial, sorry

[brittle wave]

Bro they have literally destroyed norways fleet

[candid rain]

Can you provide a full screenshot

[brittle wave]

K

[candid rain]

Not a half screenshot like the previous one

[heavy vigil]

why cant i win???

[candid rain]

Hmm, strange that your fleet is providing 0 dominance

[spiral sphinx]

what happend there

[brittle wave]

Bro this is actually bull sh1t

[heavy vigil]

they likely just engaged in a battle/need time to build up supremacy

or are simply in the wrong zone

[ivory hull]

is large unit tactics the best infantry doctrine?

[heavy vigil]

before update

uhh

idk

[candid rain]

No, they should still provide ticking dominance

[heavy vigil]

assault inf is greay

large inf is best for pure inf

[brittle wave]

They have been there for ages

[candid rain]

Even if total dominance is reset

[brittle wave]

This game is a joke

[safe wing]

I’m gonna play eu4

[candid rain]

Ngl it looks bugged to me

[heavy vigil]

im not home rn and cant tell by the information youve provided where the issue lies

[candid rain]

It looks like a bug

[brittle wave]

It must be a big

[candid rain]

Ships are on patrol yet there is no ticking dominance

[brittle wave]

Bug

[heavy vigil]

maybe the fleet is on the wrong side of denmark

therefore blocked from accessing the seazone

because of the danish straits

[brittle wave]

It’s not it’s in the North Sea eastern

[candid rain]

It shows that they're in the zone

[brittle wave]

And I have control of Denmark

Is there a console command or something

[candid rain]

Set them to "always engage" and see what happens

Instead of "engage at medium risk"

[brittle wave]

Ok

They at medium right now

[candid rain]

Yeah i can see that

[brittle wave]

Alright I switched it

[brittle wave]

Nothing is changing

It’s still at bloody 0%

[candid rain]

Split fleet in half and put other half on strike force?

[brittle wave]

Ok

This is what it says now

I should have 1000s of naval dominance

[candid rain]

Looks 100% bugged to me

Stop / start patrolling?

[brittle wave]

Already done that multiple times

[candid rain]

Run it for a month and see what happens,?

Or a few days or whatever

[brittle wave]

Already has been

[candid rain]

With the split task force?

[brittle wave]

Ok

Nothing

[candid rain]

Then I don't think there's anything that can be done except commands maybe

[weary totem]

Reload save file

Restart game

[nocturne cedar]

ehat are y’alls opnions abt the new dlc

[brittle wave]

What commands are there

[brittle wave]

I’ll see

[brittle wave]

What do you mean by that

[nocturne cedar]

YES HAHAHAHAHAHA

[weary totem]

Terrible waste

[brittle wave]

Terrible

[nocturne cedar]

why

[nocturne cedar]

why

[candid rain]

I don't really know commands sorry

[weary totem]

Italy exists

[brittle wave]

Because it doesn’t fking work

[candid rain]

His naval dominance is bugged

[weary totem]

0 coal

[nocturne cedar]

why

[candid rain]

Lore accurate

[nocturne cedar]

you need range

[weary totem]

Unplayable

[candid rain]

Ah yes from denmark to eastern North sea

It is actually just bugged, look at his screenshots

[tawdry edge]

what even is this

[candid rain]

Set home base

[tawdry edge]

So I cant operate my navy outside the range of my naval HQ even if Im near an ally?

[tawdry edge]

wym

Im new to the dlc

[candid rain]

You need to set a new home base

[eternal palm]

If you set your Home base, yes

[tawdry edge]

how

[candid rain]

Right now it's Yokohama

[manic iris]

okay watched a 1h tutorial i think i understand

[eternal palm]

The naval hq thing doesn't increase your range

[candid rain]

Click on where it says Yokohama

[heavy vigil]

your fleet is on strike force

not on patrol

[tawdry edge]

then what does the "no accessible regions" come from

[heavy vigil]

it says it right there

[candid rain]

He has half on each

[brittle wave]

It is I have half on both

[eternal palm]

U see when you select a task force, in the top left corner, there should be a gear with a city next to it. That's the home base, you can set it manually, or automatically by clicking the gear

[eternal palm]

Either straits blocked or lack of range/fuel

[tawdry edge]

damn

but Im not in the axis, Im just an ally?

[manic iris]

guys is it smart if i play as italy just to test ou8t the ethiopia war? then ill switch to germany

[nocturne cedar]

the 70 day focuses

TOO MUCH

[candid rain]

Click the gear

[heavy vigil]

both are pretty bad beginner nations

[split fulcrum]

The tutorial puts you in that war

[heavy vigil]

try something less overwhelming

[manic iris]

like?

[tawdry edge]

worked

thx

[heavy vigil]

romania, finland, hungary if no dlc

[split fulcrum]

Tannu tuva if you want to stare at the screen and do nothing

[heavy vigil]

usa and france are decent too

australia is chilling

[eternal palm]

So are you in the faction or not?

[heavy vigil]

i like japan but its an eh beginner nation

you do get to learn early wars

[tawdry edge]

you still can

thx

why did they add this?

[split fulcrum]

Wait are you saying that germany is horrible for someone who has only 30 hours on the game????

[heavy vigil]

and why sometimes its better to strike when not fully prepared because your enemy is worse

[split fulcrum]

No wonder i managed to lose 750k versus poland....

[candid rain]

To make range matter

[heavy vigil]

it doesnt incentivice learning no

[brittle wave]

I’m actually going to break my screen

[heavy vigil]

chill

if you can, vc and screenshare and @eternal palm will help you fr

[tawdry edge]

wym, previously you couldnt operate outside of your range

[heavy vigil]

(im conscripting him to help you)

[eternal palm]

I'm literally in uni right now 💀

[heavy vigil]

just deafen

[eternal palm]

I would if I wasn't

[candid rain]

Your range was basically infinite though

[eternal palm]

No????

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-2-portal-wheatley-portal-wheatley-true-gif-4523901449301764000

[brittle wave]

It’s bugged bro I have done everything in my power to make it work

[candid rain]

It's just bugged I'm pretty sure

[tawdry edge]

how? why do I learn about the exploit when it's too late

[nocturne cedar]

oil?

[brittle wave]

I’m gonna restart my game because it’s screwed

I have oil on full capacity

[nocturne cedar]

this new update just made shit SO LAGGY

[brittle wave]

there is 0 reason it shouldn’t work

[heavy vigil]

ill join a vc if u wanna share cant talk since im on a train

[nocturne cedar]

I CANNOT CLICK STUFF WITHOUT A MASSIVE LAG SPIKE

BROTHER, I HAVE A RTX

[brittle wave]

Alr give me a second

[heavy vigil]

nvm cant

my internet is too awful

it struggles loading text chat ☠️

[split fulcrum]

Is it "a rtx" or "an rtx"?

[candid rain]

An

[nocturne cedar]

a rtx

[split fulcrum]

It might be "a" because it is followed by "r"

[eternal palm]

Wym "RTX" bro could have a RTX 2060 💀

[split fulcrum]

But it is pronounced"ar-tee-eks"

[nocturne cedar]

3060

[eternal palm]

So?

[eternal palm]

See that's not that good

Maybe it's ur cpu

[split fulcrum]

T

[nocturne cedar]

Why

[brittle wave]

I’m in help lounge 2

[eternal palm]

Card is 5 years old by this point

And even then was very mid tier

[nocturne cedar]

my CPU’s good. I dont remember what the specs are

[candid rain]

Your range got extended by simply owning ports so your navy could sit in Germany and reach South Africa if you owned the ports

[eternal palm]

Well what is your cpu then

[autumn pebble]

I have a 3060 ti

[nocturne cedar]

it runs games on good quality

[candid rain]

Now you have to actually be based in those ports

[nocturne cedar]

i dont remember man

[tulip thorn]

Doesnt mean much

The 1080 is still decent

[nocturne cedar]

thats enough for me

[eternal palm]

Just go task manager?

[heavy vigil]

click on the zone

[tulip thorn]

And thats getting old at this point

[eternal palm]

💀

[brittle wave]

Alr

[eternal palm]

If you still have one

[tulip thorn]

I meant 1080 ti

[eternal palm]

And it runs well

[nocturne cedar]

not with the PC rn

[eternal palm]

Cuz the card is old

[heavy vigil]

dont just hover over it

theres enemy supremacy

[tulip thorn]

Old doesnt always = garbage

[heavy vigil]

youre also paused

[brittle wave]

Mate there’s like 10 ships left in their whole fleet

[eternal palm]

Neither did I say that, the 3060 by itself ain't that good of a card considering what it came with

[heavy vigil]

theres other allied nations

[brittle wave]

I’ll unpause it now I have already had it going

[eternal palm]

Or how graphics have advanced

[heavy vigil]

anyway i gtg sorry

have to move

[eternal palm]

For hoi4 it's completely fine

It's not a graphics issue

[brittle wave]

There is no other allied ships apart from Norway

[eternal palm]

It's hoi4 being coded by apes

[brittle wave]

I want to revert this update it sucks

[nocturne cedar]

HOI4 and it’s trashy dlcs

[split fulcrum]

woah, how dare you insult the people who added "aggressive expansion reduction modifiers" into my dear "eu4"!!!!

[eternal palm]

No im saying maybe don't use an engine that could legally pay taxes pertaining to age

Like dafuq

[eternal palm]

More like the engine but ye

[split fulcrum]

Did it pay its taxes?

[autumn pebble]

Tax fraud

[split fulcrum]

Send it to the gulag.

[autumn pebble]

🫡

[split fulcrum]

HOI4 and its engine, straight to prison

[nocturne cedar]

HOI4’s engine is great

wdym

[eternal palm]

💀

Weren't u complaining about performance issues?

My brother in christ, this very engine is the reason the game runs like shit. It only uses 1 core

[daring geyser]

im the driver and im gonna crash it

[eternal palm]

Because in 2007 dual core hasn't been invented yet

[autumn pebble]

Almost 20 year old engine

Pack it up

[daring geyser]

nah, its just that high frequency single core was much better in games back then

the first dual core consumer grade cpu released in 2005

and the first server grade dual core cpu released in 2001

[eternal palm]

Hmmmmmmm

[heavy vigil]

im out rn

[eternal palm]

And pdx really did not consider that dual core might become faster like idk 3 years later?

[daring geyser]

you can see that in cs 1.6

and tf2

[daring geyser]

cost vs. performance deal kinda

if it works, players can play it without it being a huge impediment to the game

then the corporation doesnt have any reason to change it so soon

[eternal palm]

Well it is 18 years later

Hoi4 runs like shit

Ck3 runs like shit

[brittle wave]

YES IT WORKS

it just randomly started working for no reason

[manic iris]

im never gonna learn to play this game

[daring geyser]

most players dont care and their games are making bank thats all that matters to them xd

[agile perch]

first time ever ive done this i got like 150 hours 🥀

[nocturne cedar]

why the hell didn’t PDX switch the engine early on?

[agile perch]

i always struggle there too 😭

[daring geyser]

its why tf2 never got an engine update despite its engine only having single core cpu optimization

[split fulcrum]

put the defensive line on the coast

Northern coast

[eternal palm]

Because it worked

Cheaper to just keep it

[split fulcrum]

And their northern border

[eternal palm]

As long as it makes money they don't need to change it

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[manic iris]

I DONT KNOW HOW THEY ARE BARELY LISTETING TO ME

[eternal palm]

Same why the dlcs in the past 3 years have been horrendous, overpriced

Because people still pay

[split fulcrum]

@eternal palm does paradox use the same engine for all their games?

[nocturne cedar]

good portion of the community are pdx glazers

cant expect much

[eternal palm]

Yep

Well idk about cs

[split fulcrum]

Theyre listening, they're just not winning

[eternal palm]

But for their grand strategy games they do

[autumn pebble]

Why the hell did you retreat from eritrea

This is one of the easiest wars in the game

[tulip thorn]

Im pretty sure City skylines is made on unity

[autumn pebble]

Just bring air and mainland troops

[eternal palm]

No clue

Feel free to correct me

[nocturne cedar]

no it isnt

[tulip thorn]

Yeah I looked it up

Paradox uses unity

[nocturne cedar]

atleast 1 isnt

[tulip thorn]

What is 1 made on?

[daring geyser]

well ofc CS doesn't run on the same engine as their grand strategy games lol

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[daring geyser]

it would be quite comedic if CS had a bunch of state interpreting mechanics

and provinces

[nocturne cedar]

cities skylines should be a city managing rts

in 41-43

[manic iris]

they retreated i didnt

[daring geyser]

also I LIVE ON THE SECOND FLOOR and it's summer on the southern hemisphere and ISTG IT'S AT LEAST 10°c WARMER here than outside because the SUN is baking me alive

[nocturne cedar]

i mean…. There’s states in CS

[daring geyser]

tbf paradox games are only so successful because there are no good competitors

[eternal palm]

Tru

[tulip thorn]

True

[daring geyser]

whats the competitor to eu4? age of civilizations 2? pfft

[eternal palm]

Kek

[daring geyser]

whats the competitor to cs? simcity 5000? pfft

[eternal palm]

Aoe

[tulip thorn]

There are more city builders than grand strat games

[zinc light]

There are No direct competitors

[daring geyser]

yeah but none of them offer the depth of cs without being overly complicated

[tulip thorn]

The only place where paradox has a tiny bit of competition is the city builders

[tulip thorn]

I havent played any of the other ones lol

[zinc light]

There's games focusing on expansion, Others focusing on Road & railbuilding, Others for efficiency but None have the depth and broadth of CS

[nocturne cedar]

There’s the Sid Mayer’s civilization

[daring geyser]

it's still nowhere near as complex and as historical as paradox games

[zinc light]

Yeah I think that's the most direct competitor

[daring geyser]

civilization games are fine if you dc abt historical accuracy at all

[zinc light]

For Stellaris you got Endless Space

[nocturne cedar]

i mostly play on non his

[nocturne cedar]

Stellaris is PDX

so

[zinc light]

I know

[tulip thorn]

non hist gang rise up

[zinc light]

Endless Space is the most direct competitor to Stellaris

[tulip thorn]

Historical is way to predicable

[daring geyser]

i played a lot of simcities in my life because i am a maxis stan (that company made my childhood) and let me tell you, simcity is very fun but to call it as complex or as large as cs is a joke

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/chaos-the-tomorrow-war-destruction-burning-buildings-fire-gif-21631883

[tulip thorn]

The world in the average non hist game:

[daring geyser]

i play on historical because i am a nerd for ww2 but singleplayer is too easy so i only play multiplayer

[nocturne cedar]

i want to enjoy Stellaris but i cant. Too complex

[tulip thorn]

I like ww2 history

[nocturne cedar]

ew a multiplayer

[tulip thorn]

But I can only play historical so many times

[tulip thorn]

Wdym

[daring geyser]

ew a singleplayer player

[tulip thorn]

Multiplayer is the goat

[tulip thorn]

Ok what about those who do both

[nocturne cedar]

multiplayers are too sweaty

too many rules

[daring geyser]

cuz the game is too broken lol

[tulip thorn]

Thats the fun part

[daring geyser]

if you played a MP game with no rules it would die in 1936

[zinc light]

Still my most favourite Game ever

[daring geyser]

because of people abusing shit

[nocturne cedar]

i can just install a better AI mod and get the same experience

[tulip thorn]

Nothing like multiplayer cope

[nocturne cedar]

I need to see more tutorials. Like, quixk ones

[daring geyser]

no you cant cuz every single AI mod in existance is worse than a real human who plays MP

[zinc light]

Nah, screw Tutorials. Just take any preset that looks cool and start it up

That's how I learned

[daring geyser]

even a mid one

AI can't micro and AI can't respond to various strategical situations

[nocturne cedar]

its better than everyone eventually disconnecting and leaving due to lag

[daring geyser]

only scripted one

[tulip thorn]

Love it in mp when the losing team just starts getting angry because they are losing

[daring geyser]

yeah thats why you dont play on random lobbies duh

[nocturne cedar]

you sure m8?

[zinc light]

Yup 100%

[daring geyser]

MP matches on proper servers are planned a week ahead sometimes more

[zinc light]

Love it in MP when you beat someone and let them live with a different ideology, only to civil war Back to the previous one

[nocturne cedar]

like a guy said once:
CORE MP EXPERIENCE
2 hours of explaining the rules
30 minutes of gameplay
then everyone gets laggy and quits

[daring geyser]

i have yet to see a mp lobby that is like that

[tulip thorn]

Who is explaining rules before game start

[daring geyser]

if you play a proper server

[tulip thorn]

Never seen that

[daring geyser]

then its not going to be like that at all

[nocturne cedar]

mostly the host on discord

or the ingame chat

[tulip thorn]

What the hosts here lol

[daring geyser]

no one decent plays paradox server hosts 😭 or random ingame lobbies

going to a random lobby or hoi4 official server hosts is like going to a kindergarten and saying "hmmm.. university"

it's not where you start

proper MP experience for first timers is either fuwg (tho personally i think fuwg is aids and there are a lot of racists there) or RB

thats if you cant find a smaller server with still decent games

then you just go to those 2

[nocturne cedar]

i dont know any of those 2

[daring geyser]

cuz you dont play any good mp

[nocturne cedar]

i simply dont like MP

[daring geyser]

your experiences tell me that you never played any real multiplayer game tho

[nocturne cedar]

the only time I’ll play MP is with my buddies, but besides that

[daring geyser]

only ones where the host is a random 13yo

[zinc light]

"I dont like (insert something you've never experienced or tried)"

[nocturne cedar]

ive tried to play MP, trust me, i tried

[daring geyser]

where?

[nocturne cedar]

all of rhe hosters sucked

[nocturne cedar]

joined some random lobbies

eventually found one which was decent

[daring geyser]

thats specifically what i said a million times results in shitty lobbies tho

[nocturne cedar]

sticked to it, lag started and quit

[daring geyser]

99% likelyhood you joined one which wasnt decent

with a host in afghanistan or something

[heavy vigil]

at least those arent like the worst

[daring geyser]

you don't just join random lobbies then go "yeah thats mp" 😭

[nocturne cedar]

it was in NA

[daring geyser]

with which mods

[nocturne cedar]

vanilla

[heavy vigil]

the worst is some white guy from like germany who wants to re-live the experiences of his great grandpa

[daring geyser]

then it was a bad host

if you play vanilla ofc everyone is going to lag

vanilla is not optimized for MP at all

if you play in an actual decent server youre not going to be playing vanilla or rt56 or anything like that

[heavy vigil]

rt56 rp

[daring geyser]

🤮

#alt-history-multiplayer

[heavy vigil]

#1239926537512292362 please

[bleak pollen]

Sry

[nocturne cedar]

dms

[daring geyser]

what did i just say about joining random lobbies 😔

[zinc light]

"Yeah dont do this its a terrible experience"
Proceeds to do exactly that and has a terrible experience

[split fulcrum]

Where do i find the enable scraping the barrel button?

[manic iris]

Guys i feel like i should just uninstall the game ATP like i am not made for this

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-guy-falls-man-drops-guy-drops-man-falls-gif-17799067079320640235

are you kidding

[weary totem]

What are you playing as

[split fulcrum]

Germany

[weary totem]

Show me your political screen

Press The flag

[nocturne cedar]

https://youtu.be/yNo7ZJaFrmk?si=h6vD_RJZo5YCEZPD

[split fulcrum]

I don't have the guys chosen

[weary totem]

Yeah lemme see your laws

[split fulcrum]

Ah at the laws and government area?

[nocturne cedar]

@split fulcrum

https://youtu.be/LbpWbSD6hEY?si=lzQzFiwgCnBXVgUg

[weary totem]

Yes, show me

[manic iris]

why is my army all yellow marks and wont move

[split fulcrum]

Found the menu

I need 5% more war support

And aloot more political power

[nocturne cedar]

firstly

[weary totem]

send screenshot

[nocturne cedar]

WHY did you call ITALY

into the war

[split fulcrum]

Why not?

[nocturne cedar]

are you mad?

go watch bittersteel’s guide

[weary totem]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

Italy ai SUCKS

[manic iris]

""""

[split fulcrum]

Are you telling me that theyre going to fight against me if i start losing the war??!?!?

[weary totem]

Havent you seen The memes

[split fulcrum]

Well they did send nearly all their troops to the french border

[weary totem]

Theyre gonna die, then youll Have The alps to deal with

[split fulcrum]

My french border

France bouta reach milan because of how little troops italy got there

[weary totem]

Select a Focus ffs

[eternal palm]

💀

[weary totem]

What year is this

[split fulcrum]

1941

[weary totem]

Show me your Focus tree

[split fulcrum]

Wait France already reached milan

[nocturne cedar]

mate, watch Bittersteel’s guide

ur too far deep

[eternal palm]

So ur saying you didn't do anything with your pp for 5 years?

Jesus fking christ

[split fulcrum]

gang i got only 50 hours on the game

Dont expect me to micromanage that too!!!

[nocturne cedar]

you went eith the worst ones

GO WITH GOBBELS

ALWAYS

[eternal palm]

Hence I'm telling you to make use of your pp

[eternal palm]

No?

[weary totem]

Neurath, why

[eternal palm]

He comes last

[nocturne cedar]

GO WATCH BITTERSTEEL. YOU ARE MAKING MY EYES BLEED

[eternal palm]

It's speer into goering, then hess, then goebbrls

[manic iris]

DUDE WTF german took poland and i havent took ethiopia yet

[eternal palm]

Don't gotta write in caps I can read just finr

[tulip thorn]

Just reset

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dankus-memecus-dankus-esports-speed5-hoi4-gif-27705602

[eternal palm]

Not terrible

Wait no no war eco is awful

[nocturne cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-guy-falls-man-drops-guy-drops-man-falls-gif-17799067079320640235

[weary totem]

IF UR NOT DOING TRUE BLITZKRIEG ACHIEVEMENT

DONT DO VON NEURATH

[eternal palm]

U know u can pause the game right

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[split fulcrum]

the italians sacrificed their nation for me

[eternal palm]

😭

[weary totem]

Why are you getting red bubbles

[split fulcrum]

11 troops in italy when the french already reached milan

[eternal palm]

Why is it all red 😭

[weary totem]

Show me your templates

Dont tell me its default

[nocturne cedar]

show me ir division template

[split fulcrum]

its default dude

what do you expect

[eternal palm]

Default is fine, the problem is most likely air

[weary totem]

[eternal palm]

No cas

[split fulcrum]

no manpower

to assign planes

[eternal palm]

Then go up??

Like hello?

[weary totem]

GO AWAY FROM LIMITED

YOUR FASCIST, ITS YOUR THING

[split fulcrum]

youre

and

73 more political power

[weary totem]

🤓

[split fulcrum]

83

[nocturne cedar]

THATS WHY UR LOSING

[eternal palm]

Yo'ure*

[weary totem]

What Have you Been using vronana peel

[eternal palm]

What did u spend it on. Did u finally pick high command?

U should've had like 2k atp

[weary totem]

What Have you Been doing with your pp

[manic iris]

I DID IT

[split fulcrum]

he did it

[eternal palm]

Not really? Default is an alright template

[split fulcrum]

honestly

i forgot

[tulip thorn]

Reset

[eternal palm]

Don't recommend line arty 💀

[split fulcrum]

probably events

[tulip thorn]

Your italy is so weak

[daring geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924121342536744983/1445053700715315322/NEW_MEME__56_andrast_.mp4?ex=692ef2a2&is=692da122&hm=04ac51816b2191fe0bb1a0b3150d57ad1671a7d975b3d585837caee05f8c6c0d&

[weary totem]

With 2k pp😭

[tulip thorn]

The french would roll over you

[eternal palm]

Bro it's their first game 💀

Let a man play

[nocturne cedar]

do this now

[manic iris]

what

[weary totem]

<<<<<<<<Communist brazil

[daring geyser]

conquer south and north america as an overpowered formable?

[weary totem]

Lampiao has some DRIP

[nocturne cedar]

in the axis, too

[manic iris]

okay time to make a new save with germany

[nocturne cedar]

the axis didnt even help

[daring geyser]

i did it as brazil before focus tree and not in any faction 😴

[eternal palm]

Brazil wc 😴

[weary totem]

You know its not a flex to not Have a Life?

[eternal palm]

"Oh my god guys Brazil is so hard!!!!!!"

[eternal palm]

Hoes mad?

[daring geyser]

its not a flex its just a hint at how easy singleplayer is

[weary totem]

Naval invade The netherlands

[eternal palm]

Bro immediately resorts to insults jesus

[daring geyser]

you can do anything with any country quite easily, all it takes is time investment

[nocturne cedar]

i just joined the axis because chile joined the allies

[eternal palm]

Maybe you ought to pipe down

[weary totem]

Naval invade

The netherlands

[heavy vigil]

ive done it as peru i think

[spring relic]

will there be a chance for dlc discount for chrsitmas

[heavy vigil]

powerful lil guy

[eternal palm]

Yes and?

What about it

[manic iris]

ok guys time for me to cook

[heavy vigil]

no, not for you /j

[iron helm]

i'm new at naval, is this good?

[weary totem]

It Works in every wc

[spring relic]

😔😔

[heavy vigil]

tbh this really sucks

[weary totem]

Ion know Ask Curt who games hes good at naval

[daring geyser]

too cheap??? are you trying to make a fleet out of paper

dummy

[eternal palm]

Holy IC 💀

[jovial sigil]

perfect

[eternal palm]

Must be at least 200k

[nocturne cedar]

no

[spring relic]

why even gun 2

[eternal palm]

Otherwise US can't build 1k docks

[spring relic]

why not just max ut out

[iron helm]

how would i improve it

[tulip thorn]

If he starts making it instantly, he should have it by 1960

[nocturne cedar]

a billion cheap destroyers or light

[eternal palm]

Infinite dockyard mod isn't a suggestion atp

[daring geyser]

unironically 1960 is an underexaggeration

[tulip thorn]

lol

1980

[weary totem]

Road to 56

[eternal palm]

Understatement?

[weary totem]

It would take 20 years

[eternal palm]

I can tell ur german

[daring geyser]

scheiße

[eternal palm]

Untertreibung sadly isn't a word in english

[iron helm]

it says 1944 heavy ship hull A so it's made in 1944

🤓☝️

[tulip thorn]

Ok your waiting until 2000 for that ship

[iron helm]

it's 2025

[tulip thorn]

maybe 2010

[iron helm]

where is my ship

[astral turret]

hold on Iran can be in its own faction while being puppet of UK ????

[zinc light]

You know what? Screw you replaces all parts of your ship with exactly identical parts

[iron helm]

i believe it is still my ship

[zinc light]

Oh do you?

How can you be sure?

[weary totem]

Shah had a holy glow-up

[iron helm]

it says here 1944 heavy shipp hul A

wait no that's not my ship

my ship is 1944 heavy ship hull A

someone's ship is named 1944 heavy shipp hul A

[zinc light]

See

[iron helm]

i don't know what a hul A is nor what a shipp is

[zinc light]

Told ya

[iron helm]

yeah ur right

mb gng

[manic iris]

guys what does equipment mean

[iron helm]

equipment is what you are meant to equip your men

[eternal palm]

Jesus christ 💀

Were going back to 5th grade English class

[daring geyser]

i think its A

then then b

and then then then

then its

its C

and and

[iron helm]

back in my days we had to learn what Antidisestablishmentarianism meant

(I played as mexico)

[eternal palm]

D 😳

[split fulcrum]

@eternal palm this the base one, how should i change it?

[daring geyser]

personally take off all support companies and make it just one support AA

[eternal palm]

Remove 1 inf and add aa, logi and flame tanks

[split fulcrum]

aa

logi

and flame tanks

[manic iris]

yea but what type of equipment

[daring geyser]

you certainly make your infantry a bit expensive to say the least

[split fulcrum]

@eternal palm do i add greek fire and wonder weapons to the list?

[daring geyser]

low org tho

[split fulcrum]

that tank than can shoot across the channel

[eternal palm]

Because I cba to make tanks, I usually make them 35.7 anyhow

[heavy vigil]

if that was in the game yeah itd probably give stupid terrain buffs

[eternal palm]

I'm gonna be 20 on support anyhow

[daring geyser]

at that point just do special forces 😭

[eternal palm]

Engi is still good

[heavy vigil]

TWENTY???

[eternal palm]

That's what I do too

[heavy vigil]

bro i cry when its more than 3

[eternal palm]

Uh yeaM

[iron helm]

lowk imagine if hoi4 was better like

[split fulcrum]

what the hell is a logi though

[heavy vigil]

god forbid more than 5

[daring geyser]

engi is a shitton of IC for spamming inf funny enough

[iron helm]

instead of by blood alone

[eternal palm]

Ye but ur special

[iron helm]

it was hi water together

instead of no step back it was yes move forward

and instead of no compromise no surrender it was italy

[eternal palm]

Logistics company

[daring geyser]

for low width infantry 1-2 support is fine, for expensive mass mob you can do logi + support aa + signal for reinforce rate

[heavy vigil]

i did like rangers + i think hosp on inf once and i was crippled (as china)

[eternal palm]

I really don't get the engi hate

[iron helm]

please paradox dev i have good suggestions

[heavy vigil]

i had to put like

12 factories on

[eternal palm]

If ur only making inf you might aswell have it

[iron helm]

if nobody got me i know engis got me
can i get entrenchment

[split fulcrum]

i cant seem to be able to find it

[daring geyser]

it's one of the most expensive support companies for inf spam, and its effect can be counteracted by spies

[eternal palm]

Thats not the point of engi

[eternal palm]

I mean, for defense it's cool

[daring geyser]

the point is its not meta to only make infantry tho

[eternal palm]

And 35% defense on forts

[iron helm]

i am a poland player i value every bit of defense

[heavy vigil]

its pretty good for large defensive inf ig

[eternal palm]

The entrenchment is minor

[eternal palm]

In sp though?

[manic iris]

is it a good idea to trade with USA as germany

[iron helm]

yeah add Remove to ur battalion

[eternal palm]

Like mp sure I wouldn't put engi in my 16w

Maybe as Russia

But then there's no spy fk so

[daring geyser]

cheap 16ws with 3 at most support companies and Sfs

[eternal palm]

Why limit yourself

[daring geyser]

not really, soviet massmob is support AA + logi + signal

[split fulcrum]

better trade with someone that doesnt need convoys

[eternal palm]

What mass mob 😭

[daring geyser]

cuz you get more IC for special forces/spgs

[eternal palm]

Also if gbp sov allowed u do do engi

[iron helm]

what do you mean its been 4 years since no step back

[split fulcrum]

@eternal palm gang how does one find a logistics company

do i needa research it

[iron helm]

oh my god its been 4 years since no step back

[eternal palm]

Research it.

[daring geyser]

i still havent caught up with 1.17 because its dogshit aids cancer update for multiplayer, but i have heard if you get the right subdoctrines you can get the present day equivalent of massmob but even better

[manic iris]

is canceling MEFO bills smart

[daring geyser]

tho cas shreds you a lot more

so you hold less in general

[split fulcrum]

you will have to pay em back if you dont

it shows a timer under it

[eternal palm]

Well now it's recov instead of reinforce rate

[manic iris]

alr

[eternal palm]

But ye it's pretty insane

[heavy vigil]

no

awful idea

[daring geyser]

only if you exploit it

[heavy vigil]

even then

MEFO better

[eternal palm]

That's not how that works

[heavy vigil]

early mils are the goat now

[split fulcrum]

what

it literally said

whats the timer for then

[eternal palm]

Bro I don't care what the flavour text says

[daring geyser]

early mils are the goat for like 3 years casey

[heavy vigil]

yeah but now they also give doctrine

[split fulcrum]

@manic iris take my word with a grain of salt

[eternal palm]

When you cancel mefo u just get a 40% cg increase for like 6 months

[split fulcrum]

what if you dont?

[eternal palm]

Nah. Just stick with right side or go left side, don't bother with cancelling it via decision

[split fulcrum]

and wait for the timer to run out

[heavy vigil]

you cant exploit it

[daring geyser]

My name is Walter Hartwell White, I have 6 essays due in 5 and a half hours and I am talking in hoi4 official instead of doing them

[eternal palm]

You get an increase of cg every month

Up to 100% and then you're fked

[eternal palm]

Preach 💀

[heavy vigil]

dont bypass the slur filter :>

[iron helm]

use chatgpt if it's not important

[heavy vigil]

anyway youre fine even then you have production

[eternal palm]

Right right mb

[iron helm]

like lowk hoi4 is life :Bangbang:

[devout trench]

wait out first mefo until the final day then cancel, just do re-mil rhineland and then the ribbentrop or the other focus then do only left eco until you get to the focus that needs construct 3

[iron helm]

i should start on the Get a girlfriend focus tree

[eternal palm]

Or just don't cancel and go left side anyway?????

This is so dumb

[devout trench]

but like

[iron helm]

ngl who even goes right side

[devout trench]

i dont wanna see the mefo bill event spam

[eternal palm]

Right side is pretty good now

[iron helm]

(i haven't played the new germany yet i still play poland)

[eternal palm]

Left side loses out on 250 coal

[iron helm]

just get rid of coal atp

[daring geyser]

right side has been pretty good ever since GDR released yall just dk how to do collabs

[devout trench]

coal so ahh

[iron helm]

coal is so coal

Thank you kind stranger for the gold!

[eternal palm]

Or are just too afraid to lose

Left side is easy mode

Infinite scaling

[daring geyser]

right side has even more scaling if you can actually play the game

[eternal palm]

Right side is kinda risky but stronger much earlier

[devout trench]

i dont own GDR so left side is only viable option 💔

[iron helm]

when ur losing

tag sov
delete all units
tag ger

[daring geyser]

its the same in vanilla

if you do your collabs right

you can achieve autarky without even the need for killing the allies and before barbarossa

[devout trench]

ngl

[eternal palm]

Sweden>>>>>>

[devout trench]

i just buy stuff from japan and china instead of autarky

or just get china in the faction at the start

[split fulcrum]

@eternal palm rate the red

[devout trench]

looks similar to my infantry only germany games

[eternal palm]

Then you're not doing it right

Inf only is just as good as tanks

Tanks are pointless since inf does the job faster

[coral gorge]

actually better as far as SP is concerned

like even with AI mods

[devout trench]

i normally just have around 5 tank divisions and just fill the rest of the army with inf

[devout trench]

5 tanks to make a breakthrough then i just use inf

[manic iris]

are these a bit too much

[devout trench]

the great civ greed

[split fulcrum]

Build everywhere

[coral gorge]

anywhere between too much or too little

at start mil first is better though

cuz you still have MEFO buffs for mil build speed

if you do PEG then you can go civ once you cancel MEFO

[devout trench]

i normally build like 2-3 civs then mils until i finish all my eco focuses

[manic iris]

oh alr i thought i was doin sum bad

[coral gorge]

its kinda bad but not too bad

[daring geyser]

infra then mils if doing full right side

[coral gorge]

vanilla AI probably can't punish you

[daring geyser]

infra on like 2 states

[devout trench]

i dont use infra like ever

[coral gorge]

Hessen and Franken?

the dam states

[devout trench]

unless im playing china

[coral gorge]

near Rhineland

forgot the name

[daring geyser]

i think so

[devout trench]

ruhr?

[daring geyser]

i dont play germany that often

[coral gorge]

you build 2 infra, 1 each on the dam states

[split fulcrum]

i actually need help

this is too much red

[coral gorge]

then maybe 1 on Moselland and 1 on Rhineland if you so wish

which isn't too bad

[devout trench]

ts could be worse

[coral gorge]

stop attacking, reorganizing

delete half of your army

you can send the savegame, I will take a look and tell how bad it is