hoi4-general

[heavy vigil]

you just dont care about improved

[misty fossil]

wait

SPAA?

or SPG

[heavy vigil]

advanced heavies have decent armor

[misty fossil]

i see

[valid prairie]

Self propelled artillery

[misty fossil]

has its use

[heavy vigil]

very useful now

its 2 width and more soft

[misty fossil]

i managed to get 1600 soft attack with my spg div

[valid prairie]

Yes new doctine makes it op

[heavy vigil]

nah but its ok

its good in sp

[misty fossil]

just never got to use it on the allies because IT KEEPS CRASHING

[valid prairie]

And u can use tank doctrine as well as artillery doctrine

[misty fossil]

i had 24 divs of 36w spg

[valid prairie]

So that makes self propelled artillery good now

And cavalry

[misty fossil]

japan is fun but ive played them like 20 times now

[valid prairie]

Try a warlord

[misty fossil]

i want to navy

[valid prairie]

Try to unite Mongolia as kumul

[misty fossil]

thats the big point

[valid prairie]

It’s fun

[heavy vigil]

kumul khanate into navy

[misty fossil]

smothering the enemy in spg is fun but i want my navy

whos kumul khanate

[heavy vigil]

the max cores one

[leaden mulch]

Sinkiang releasable

[misty fossil]

how much does it core

[leaden mulch]

Tannu Tuva

[fickle island]

why only 20 percent efficeincy

[misty fossil]

all of mongol empire?

[heavy vigil]

doesnt core china

[valid prairie]

China Central Asia and Mongolia

[leaden mulch]

True mb

[heavy vigil]

yes and turkic and china

[valid prairie]

It’s a lot

So much core territory

Although you are very weak so it’s difficult

[misty fossil]

gran charcoal

sorry i had to say it

[leaden mulch]

Tannu Tuva needs a buff

[misty fossil]

what are its cores

[leaden mulch]

Read

[misty fossil]

i had a lag spike

i read it now

[heavy vigil]

all of central asia (kazakhstan and stuff) mongolia/some of siberia, china

[misty fossil]

so half of it is just nothingburger and the other half is also nothingburger

[heavy vigil]

and theres an event during the sinkiang-khotan ma war where you can play them and start with divisions

[wicked haven]

Maybe Greece

[misty fossil]

how do i play them?

[heavy vigil]

theres resources in those statrs that china lacks

[misty fossil]

greece is just painful

probably not

idk

[heavy vigil]

click on sinkiang and release or wait on event

[wicked haven]

Canon Greece defeated Italy

[heavy vigil]

its pretty strong and its rewarding cuz ur doing a lot of fighting powers stronger than you

[misty fossil]

there's some coal north of tannu tuva

[heavy vigil]

dopamine go up

[leaden mulch]

Mongolia deserves a schizo hoi4 tree

[misty fossil]

kaiserredux:

i mean

hes real

what am i saying

did he actually do crazy things KX purported him to

[leaden mulch]

There needs to be the second coming of genghis khan and also a Habsburg tree

[wicked haven]

Why can’t you airlift troops

Or am I mistaken

[leaden mulch]

Yeah

[leaden mulch]

Need paratroopers

[wicked haven]

Once you have an airbase you should be able to deploy troops by transport

[misty fossil]

paratroopers are overrated if you arent cheesing france

just have a navy

[wicked haven]

Like the Germans did are Crete

[misty fossil]

its not that hard

@heavy vigil does kumul have a focus tree

[leaden mulch]

It has the basic warlord one

[leaden mulch]

I'm going to be using them to win against japan

Using all the tricks Ik for ts

[misty fossil]

id rather white peace and build a navy

[heavy vigil]

yes

[dusky burrow]

tricky tricky

just conquer japan lmao

[stone breach]

is there a way to shut these annoying popup news off

[heavy vigil]

yes but you shouldnt because some are important

[fickle island]

how i kick ally planes out my airport

[heavy vigil]

you cant

[stone breach]

why isnt there a option that just makes it the important ones are shown

theyre so annoying i dont care whats going on halfway the other continent

[heavy vigil]

you already stopped getting ace promotions news unless you turn it on

[stone breach]

also where can i find this nuclear research meant to be 1

[marsh ravine]

By waiting

A nuclear scientist/researching certain tech gives u progress towards a breakthrough point

[heavy vigil]

hi jondon

[stone breach]

the issue is i dont have any other nuclear scientist that is actually researching because this requires something

[marsh ravine]

Hello poopoohead

[marsh ravine]

???

Is your scientist assigned

To the facility

[stone breach]

yup

[marsh ravine]

If so, are you already doing any nuke projects or whatever

[stone breach]

so without them having an assigned project they're already researching?

[marsh ravine]

With them being assigned to a project they will give progress towards a breakthrough point

Iirc a level 1 scientist is 0.1? A day

[heavy vigil]

you can also get more from doing research

theres a tab to see it

[wicked haven]

Mini nukes as a support company

Nuclear artillery too

[heavy vigil]

they wanted to do that irl

[wicked haven]

https://tenor.com/view/artillery-nuke-upshot-knothole-grable-gif-9004882793767087657

[heavy vigil]

gonna try a philippines game because im bored

[novel otter]

ez

[misty fossil]

@heavy vigil what path do i go down?

[dusky burrow]

lmao segl tried taking out france in mid-1937 through the maginot

[slow cloak]

Any China experts can answer? Does wang jingwei (not as reorganised ROC) actually slow down puppet autonomy decrease

?

[dusky burrow]

The micro is real

[devout trench]

Left for taking over United china front and absorbing big china, middle for communist, right to go alone

[misty fossil]

im playing tumul khanate & trying to reform mongol empire

kumul?

[devout trench]

😭

[slow cloak]

How did you do this?

[devout trench]

I’m not sure if there’s a path for that but I’m not a warlord expert

[novel otter]

commie china, go down "The unwilling diarchy" path, justify on both shanxi and ningxia ma, and annex one by one. Then do a defense line and defend on the mountains until you're ready to counterattack

bring war to neighboring warlords focus gives war goal on all warlords that neighbor you

[slow cloak]

In what year should it be to go on the offensive

[novel otter]

Usually 1940, you'll have to do some trial and error, its more fun that way

[heavy vigil]

opposition

usually

tho communist might be funny too ikd

idk*

[misty fossil]

late response smh

i went down the nationalist path

[heavy vigil]

im listening music and distracted 💔

[misty fossil]

ok i have no idea how you play this country

you start with 0 manpower, 0 divs, 0 guns, 0 industry and sinkiang declares war on you in february

[novel otter]

I capitulated both China and Japan and didnt get the achievement

they need to fix this

[weary totem]

In how many days

[novel otter]

capitulated japan in 45, but pushed japan out of china in 41

china also killed in 41

years ^ not days

[weary totem]

Idk, i suggest not doing dlc achievements until someone else does them to confirm they work

[novel otter]

Yeah, ig they have a lot to work on considering theres bugs and stuff

Oh wow and the achievement "Winner takes it all" where the PRC owns and controls all starting chinese core states does not work as well

[glacial crag]

Works for me

[novel otter]

Do you have to take hong kong and macau?

[glacial crag]

Yeah

[novel otter]

damn

[glacial crag]

Tibet too

And taiwan

[novel otter]

i just need macau and hong kong and im done

[terse quail]

I'm gonna ask again

is the DLC as bad as everyone keeps saying?

[slim nexus]

No

[misty fossil]

this focus doesnt give a war goal against china?

[slim nexus]

No

[misty fossil]

how do i declare war on china then

[slim nexus]

No

[misty fossil]

@heavy vigil any idea what to do now?

[heavy vigil]

win

[misty fossil]

kinda just sitting here with nothing to do

[slim nexus]

KILL KILL MA AND KILL TIBRT KILL

[heavy vigil]

are you playing hist or ahist

[misty fossil]

historical

[heavy vigil]

boring :(

[misty fossil]

nuhuh

[heavy vigil]

otherwise you shouldve started invading like mongolia and stuff

but now you gotta wait until barb for that

i guess just do wargoals/border wars on china

the nationalist path sucks because it makes it harder to actually do wars

• less final bonuses

[misty fossil]

dont even have any decisions for war goals

[heavy vigil]

• same tree at the end as opposition

[heavy vigil]

justify wargoal button

[misty fossil]

nationalist gies -40% consumer goods with opium

[heavy vigil]

all paths have that

[misty fossil]

you say

[heavy vigil]

at least opposition does

and im 90% sure communist too

[misty fossil]

opposition only gives -25%

[heavy vigil]

its just a bad path 💔

[heavy vigil]

you swap to china tree later

[terse quail]

reall?

[misty fossil]

so?

[heavy vigil]

where you again get the choice of doing opium

and -40%

[misty fossil]

damn

[terse quail]

what's good about it

[heavy vigil]

so you get -65%

[terse quail]

and what's bad

[misty fossil]

k ima restart

[heavy vigil]

smhh

[terse quail]

And, no, I am asking about the DLC (not update)

[misty fossil]

how do i even cheese the sinkiang war

[heavy vigil]

idk i havent tried but you could just delete their army

[misty fossil]

thats what i did

pfft

do i have to set the soviets to do something in ahist

ie go civil wat

@heavy vigil whats the safest option for russia

[heavy vigil]

nah

[misty fossil]

no?

[heavy vigil]

just play hist if hist

[misty fossil]

i mean i dont mind playing ahist

[heavy vigil]

just if they go ahist their faction disbands so you can eat up mongolia

maybe kazakhstan if fascist russia breakaway stuff happens

/monarchist

[misty fossil]

ima go tsarist then

see how it goes

[heavy vigil]

itll be easier to time on hist but there might be times where you dont rlly have much to do besides fight in low supply china

[urban ivy]

what s crackin

how s the new doctrine thing going

is human wave over?

[heavy vigil]

you should try the militia doctrine

[quasi viper]

What the what?

[bright forum]

You know what I hate? Drawing a front line.

It's absolutely impossible.

But noooo.

I HAD IT.

I couldn't draw the front line.

Because a bunch of random garbage kept breaking it up.

[heavy vigil]

then youre desynced

just reload

[bright forum]

Desynced?

This was singleplayer.

[misty fossil]

@heavy vigil so i justify a war goal on mongolia manually?

[south lance]

guys what the best support companies for a tank+truck offensive template

[heavy vigil]

thats how wars work

[heavy vigil]

yes

[bright forum]

I don't get why I couldn't draw a single front line. ONE FACTION, ONE WAR, BUT IT KEPT SPLITTING UP EVERY TIME I ENCOUNTERED A NEWCOUNTRY.

[heavy vigil]

you can still desync and it mostly affects frontlines

they just will not work sometimes

so you have to reload

[bright forum]

Kinda hard when you're doing an ironman run.

[heavy vigil]

no?

[south lance]

just reload lmao

[heavy vigil]

just leave to menu

[south lance]

no need for menu

[heavy vigil]

anyway it still splits up sometimes

[south lance]

just load game straight up

[heavy vigil]

but it shouldnt as much

[bright forum]

Ahhh, yeah for some reason I thought you meant reload a save.

[heavy vigil]

its got to do with shared wars and military access (as in not having it) being dreadful

[bright forum]

Problem is, my thing was already absolutely screwed.

That save was dead.

[heavy vigil]

happens

anyway you might still encounter desync issues rarely

please dont post nazi gifs, leaders, imagery or insignia.

[bright forum]

Paradox fix their garbage game challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[heavy vigil]

#server-rules

[bright forum]

And Japan now seems to take forever to beat.

Because you can't white peace them when you kick them out of China.

So I was stuck in the war with China too.

The infiltration was being done, but I declared the war and couldn't draw the lines because (apparently this "desync" issue) Guanxi Clique was able to stop my glorious single line.

It was like 1947 with historical decisions on, USSR and Allies were fighting because Iraq, Japan was still just winning.

Ugh......

[heavy vigil]

kmt can just like before dlc

[bright forum]

For some damn reason, they weren't though.

Which doesn't make sense, I was faction leader, I would have wanted to white peace them so that I could focus on taking over China.

But honestly, Japan just wouldn't quit.

We fully kicked 'em outta China but I guess the AI decided to keep fighting.

Plus the annoying thing is that the warlords seem to be able to just instantly destroy my infiltration attempts.

I mean, the 2+ daily political power from Mao is great.

[urban ivy]

i saw that

having fielded division actually matter now

[heavy vigil]

its wholesome

[slim nexus]

No

[urban ivy]

wow

90%

[heavy vigil]

i wanna play democratic japan any tips

[urban ivy]

play imperial japan

[heavy vigil]

already did that

like several times

[urban ivy]

no like

democratic imperialism

usa

but in japan

[heavy vigil]

volunteer gaming fr

civgreed build

[south lance]

what can improve

[leaden mulch]

A lot

[south lance]

this is with the modification dlc off btw

[leaden mulch]

Despite doctrines changing templates didn't really change check pins in #ask-for-help-here for good tank templates

[dusky burrow]

just make it all spgs nowadays

[south lance]

thanks

[leaden mulch]

This

[south lance]

not even trucks?

[dusky burrow]

i mean of course have the trucks

[leaden mulch]

You need trucks

[dusky burrow]

but the light tanks should be spgs

[leaden mulch]

Change all your tanks to spgs

Yeah

[south lance]

by the way

does their position matter

[leaden mulch]

No

[south lance]

like i put the tanks in the front and al

[south lance]

ohh

[dusky burrow]

D-DAY MILITIA?!

[leaden mulch]

Vro what?

[dusky burrow]

also armored engineers are funny tbh

[leaden mulch]

Yeah

[dusky burrow]

They are the most expensive non-custom support company (i mean you can customize them a bit but yeah)

They also give 20% ampihbious bonus which is why they're being used here

They are somehow better at river crossing than pioneers

[lost folio]

guys what is the best fleet composition. I played japan yesterday and struggled to supply more than 50 ships in lvl 10 port. Supply is much more tight than before

[leaden mulch]

Lock in

[dusky burrow]

But in literally every aspect except for amphibious invasions, they are worse than assault engineers which are so cracked

[lost folio]

what

[dusky burrow]

did you set your supply to the wrong port

[lost folio]

no it was a level 10 port hiroshima, it could supply around 50 ish ships (heavy ships and carriers ....)

so i built like 4 lvl 10 ports and devided supply, but i had to split the navy

[dusky burrow]

what i'm saying is if you set your supply port, in say, Melbourne

So when they go to Hiroshima they are starving

so so many people have issues like that

[lost folio]

nono range is not the problme i also built naval supply hub. The thing is death stacks are punished by being impossible to be supplied by one port + possitioning penalty. So if anybody knows good fleet composition please let me know

[merry bloom]

hows this for speed? specs are intel i7 with 16gb ram

[dusky burrow]

Imagine minimal luck HOI4

Remember your damage is based off dice rolls, so your HP damage falls by 33% and your org damage falls by 60% - 71%

[heavy vigil]

itd be cool

i just gave them silly names

[dusky burrow]

I've also haven't seen them used for that purpose until now

armored engineers are such a weird unit

[heavy vigil]

trench

[dusky burrow]

also that yeah

[heavy vigil]

this game is bad because civil wars require me to not troll

[dusky burrow]

not troll?

[devout trench]

Why does hoi4 seem so linear compared to other paradox games

In other games i get 300-500 years to do everything

In hoi I get like 8

[blazing belfry]

ww2 rather than going ww1-mid cold war

[hybrid galleon]

The short string of time from 36 to 54 and plus you can still do a lot in those short years

[heavy vigil]

cant just 5 speed use bad divs 💔

[dusky burrow]

makes sense

[heavy vigil]

google world war 2

[dusky burrow]

somehow that carried me from the hagia sofia to the kremlin

[heavy vigil]

54?

[hybrid galleon]

Civil wars are either loads of fun (Spain) or horrendously bad and unfun (US Clvil war)

[hybrid galleon]

I don’t k ow exact end date of the game

Somewhere in that ball park

[heavy vigil]

1948

[leaden mulch]

50

[hybrid galleon]

Only off by 6 years

[heavy vigil]

officially its 48 but you can play however long you want

[devout trench]

Why can’t I get more interwar though 💔

[dusky burrow]

i believe it is 1.1.1949 the game cuts you off

but you can still continue playing

[hybrid galleon]

That’s what the mods are for bucko

[devout trench]

1930 would be much better trust

[heavy vigil]

victoria 3

[hybrid galleon]

Not really

[dusky burrow]

gwr is a thing, how good it is idk

[hybrid galleon]

Just be to much wasted time waiting for stuff to happen

[devout trench]

Vic3 runs out of content past ww1

[hybrid galleon]

It’s a fun mod

[heavy vigil]

officially it ends in 1936 but yeah

i mean hoi is just made for that

more ww2 than eco and politics

[hybrid galleon]

God I hate mods that adds economy it’s so ass

And does not fit HOI at all

[atomic grove]

whats economic capacity

[devout trench]

I’d like more stuff to build but a vic type eco doesn’t need to be in the game

[leaden mulch]

Its the stuff in the international market

It boosts construction iirc

[atomic grove]

it adds progress to construction instantly or quicker?

[leaden mulch]

Quicker

[random delta]

THEY ADDED A COAL FEATURE?

[dusky burrow]

here in other words you basically get to buy stuff for free

[paper echo]

oh come on they accepted

now i have to wait for the army to do its stuff and go to war

[zealous nexus]

at least now youll have an easier time invading them

[paper echo]

true but i wanted to go to war now and get it over with

[kind reef]

How to check whether a save is historical or non-historical

Because I may or may have not forgot to turn on the historical AI focus

[zinc light]

Look at South america

In historical, nothing ever happens

[kind reef]

It is 1936 and Japan is ruled by Kyokoku

is that normal

[neon gull]

what is the ai doing lol

[icy crescent]

Yes.
If you prefer to downgrade to 1.16.9, feel free to do so.

[vague galleon]

I finally formed Nordic Empire with Sweden

that was so hard work :p

now i'll just watch the sino-japanese war

🍿

[vague galleon]

What kind of Romanian boot is that

[icy crescent]

Ah yes.
Balkan Italy.

[vague galleon]

Isn't that border pretty cool

[icy crescent]

Is funny.

[random delta]

im genuinely cooked

[vague galleon]

noooo italy made albania its puppet

border has been made dirty

[icy crescent]

Albania gets da boot. :c

[vague galleon]

I mean

the land under the Romania is the boot I told you

I didn't even expect for italy to defend rome

lol

wait it actaully did

[icy crescent]

Mussolini:

[safe elbow]

yo

[zinc light]

It's 1936, Just start over and make Sure you Set it right

Losing Like 5 minutes of progress

[kind reef]

[kind reef]

But wait I play as Italy 😭

Where did Hirohito go bruv

[trim pike]

What mod is this lol

[zinc light]

Looks Like bice

[split fulcrum]

which one of these should i care about

the allies landed in italy

[obtuse pecan]

Are there any Russians here?

[zealous current]

all of them

monkey

[split fulcrum]

dude

ive been out of manpower

for like more than half a year

[zealous current]

is this late game

[split fulcrum]

1942

italy

[zealous current]

then go up on the conscription for manpower

[split fulcrum]

i cant seem to be able to recapture libya

[zealous current]

and reduce the garrison troop size

[split fulcrum]

i once NEARLY got to benghasi

[icy crescent]

Coastal Guard can be a bit smaller too.
Removing a battalion or two.

[safe bay]

increase the conscription

[zealous current]

😭

[split fulcrum]

i just recaptured the railroads

[zealous current]

only way to push into egypt is supply

fix ur supply

[split fulcrum]

i think thats why theyre outta supply

[zealous current]

are u using base divisions or did u change them

[split fulcrum]

nevermind

[icy crescent]

Build a port near your frontline.
Connect with rails.

[split fulcrum]

i needa recap sicily

[zealous current]

cooked

lowk restart

and actually garrison italy

[icy crescent]

Ah well.
Historically at last.

[split fulcrum]

its fine

[zealous current]

it keeps getting worse with every screenshot 😭

[split fulcrum]

i got too many troops

[zinc light]

Holy doomstack

[split fulcrum]

48 divisions

dude how do i aerial

[zealous current]

4 good medium tank divisions can fix this

[split fulcrum]

i cant get these planes to move

[zealous current]

maybe look up a tutorial its the easiest thing to do

air regions and air missions

types of planes

[split fulcrum]

nope

doomstack all the way

no need for aerial supremacy

when you have a million divisions

[zealous current]

brotato 💔

[split fulcrum]

i got supply in libya

[vague galleon]

wait a minute

I just wondered

if I am still newbie

although I have formed nordic empire

[paper echo]

non hist moment 😐

[merry bloom]

mod?

[paper echo]

tno map mod

and tno colors

[zinc light]

Italys got the largest Air Zone in the Game bruv

[merry bloom]

wait u can get triple entente base game?

[paper echo]

yeah

[split fulcrum]

dude

i dont know

how to get them to move

how to order them

[languid mantle]

hi

anyone i can talke to please?

[split fulcrum]

my only hope for victory is in libya

RAAAAH

[analog ivy]

where is the tno colors mod

i dont see it

[paper echo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3395044750

the new chinese states colors are broken

also you need to have both that and tno map mode enabled

[analog ivy]

ah alr i thought that was the wrong one

cause its outdated

[latent lion]

hey so how tf do you get enough naval range to invade the uk as japan now

you need naval headquarters to expand range right?

but you're limited to 3 and the uk is on the other side of the world

[misty acorn]

when you send Ultimatums to the baltics but they just don't answer whatsoever

love how broken this game is

[wary folio]

aint nothing like eating left over dressing while playing HOI4

[honest glacier]

i would like to eat a dressed femboy too

[lost folio]

average hoi4 player

[slim nexus]

is medium or modern tank better

[strange stratus]

Why does communist china dont join the china faction ?

[eternal palm]

Medium

Moderns get less stats cuz they can't have extra hmgs

[eternal palm]

They should after the event runs out, so 14 days max

[misty acorn]

its been multiple months

since the event ran out

[eternal palm]

Did u turn AI off or smth

[misty acorn]

no

[coral gorge]

probably bugs from interaction with not fully updated mods

[misty fossil]

will the us join my faction if im nonaligned

[grand wolf]

Does that lower the brightness of everything?

[misty fossil]

so they'll never join if im non aligned?

[grand wolf]

Usa only likes democracy ig

[misty fossil]

damn

[grand wolf]

The russians are so nice to do the civil war path and give me land

[bright arrow]

New update, new bugs

[random sinew]

yo guys, whats the current navy meta?

[grand wolf]

Convoys

[random sinew]

alllllright dude

[limpid field]

belgium joined offensive italian-ugandan war

[tulip thorn]

Like the exact same as before but with a better patrol fleet

You still want atleast 2 super heavy battleships, 2 carriers and lots of light cruisers with light attack

[ripe slate]

Iran was fun, wish the achievements allowed mods and werent such a pain with world conquest requirements

[paper echo]

supposendly

idk why but the game is brighter after the update tho

[grand wolf]

It was annoying at first but now ive gotten used to it

[paper echo]

its still annoying to me

[random sinew]

what if i dont know anything about the navy meta

like before

[tulip thorn]

I just told you it

[random sinew]

isnt there something about screens tho

[tulip thorn]

light crusiers

and if you start with very little destroyers make those aswell

But as cheap as possible

[random sinew]

oh ok

so just make very cheap destroyers and expensive light cruisers?

[tulip thorn]

I would share the designs

But im not in game right now

light crusiers with maxxed out light attack and armor

Im sure someone here can shrare the designs

[random sinew]

thx bro

[eternal palm]

Not expensive, just good enough

[bright arrow]

Are you scared planes might blow your Yamato?

[random sinew]

why the deathstack on aa ?

[icy crescent]

Maybe Creep is up to sth.
Maybe he's cooking and knows sth we don't.

[dusky perch]

Guys, ehich is better, historical or non historical

[icy crescent]

It boils down to "Do you want controlled or uncontrolled chaos?".

[dusky perch]

Ahh I understand

Uncontrolled chaos is better

[bright arrow]

Reminder that uncontrolled means uncontrolled

Things will not be making sense, and you will possibly get bullshted on

[dusky perch]

What kind of that concept

[dusky perch]

Such as Japan attack the Soviet union at 1936😐

[bright arrow]

Ive had puppet Italy still be at war with the same people normal Italy was, just because of ideology

Which pulled me into a war with Allies and commintern at the same time

[dusky perch]

Pure chaos

[dusky perch]

This is suicide

[bright arrow]

Or random countries from your faction getting annexed out of existence by your enemies

Ive had the USSR go to war with the UK in the first 2 months

Or half the planet go communist

[dusky perch]

Yea, like I squeezed by Chiang Kai shek and what ever china with the same faction

As communist china

[dusky perch]

Worst UK decision

[bright arrow]

Or when factions like (Russia, US, UK and Japan form)

[dusky perch]

Unstable alliance

[bright arrow]

Just because they are all at war with smth like Guatemala

[dusky perch]

Aiyo what??

I only seen once Guatemala invade Mexico

[bright arrow]

Non historical is honestly too chaotic

The more focus trees the devs add the worse it gets

They are usually all incompatible

Which leads to absolute chaos of sense

[dusky perch]

Like, Malaysia independence in 1936 with fascist or communist ideology

[bright arrow]

Like fascist Mexico joining commie germany

Just cuz they have a focus

[dusky perch]

Ww1 rewind

[misty fossil]

apparently i asked this but forgot the answer so ill ask it again: do dive brakes actually give stats to planes participating in naval battles

[dusky perch]

I'm not sure

I'm not getting into navy though

But I think it's okay. Like the historical US naval dive bomber

[misty fossil]

well apparently it used to not worj

work

old carrier bomber meta was agility maxxing

[eternal palm]

Yes

They increase naval targeting

[misty fossil]

thanks

we're talking about fleet engagements right

[sleek scroll]

Chat wtf is dis

[grand wolf]

Thats like the entire point of non historical

[bright arrow]

Actually the point of non historical is to just not be historically accurate

[heavy vigil]

its peak

[bright arrow]

Doesn't mean that the laws of sense, physics and nature must be broken

[heavy vigil]

the absolute loss of any sort of sense or timing means you have actually unpredictable wars where the ai behaves a bit better than historical as you can optimize better/easier

and its more gamey

[bright arrow]

Kill him

[atomic grove]

many people including me find chaotic bullshit to be more fun than just having everything be predictable

[heavy vigil]

yeah thats the ahist experience

god forbid you play a minor and the mega world anti fun faction comes to get you

but ig NCNS kinda limited/stopped that

[bright arrow]

Sometimes the unpredictable chaos ruins my runs

Most focus trees are based on historical game actually beeing on

And something like Germany going Commie might lock you out of your own

[heavy vigil]

yes thats part of the experience

canon event

[heavy vigil]

thats rlly like the most minor ahist inconvenience

you just have to like puppet germany and itll work

[bright arrow]

Or when the game just breaks cuz too many incompatible stuff is happening all at once

[heavy vigil]

wdym breaks?

its usually fine

[bright arrow]

Usually i experience a lot more crashes when doing non historical

[heavy vigil]

after update?

before update it was fine but then there was a buf

with the china tree

where if the german flag changed the game would just crash

they fixed that now

[frank zodiac]

Save USA

[warm otter]

how do i fix 1.17

it keeps crashing

[heavy vigil]

update?

theres been like 2 patches

[warm otter]

still the same

[heavy vigil]

old save?

[warm otter]

new game

[heavy vigil]

huh

idk

[frank zodiac]

Wazzap Guys

[misty fossil]

why the hell does spg eat so much fuel

[grand wolf]

Sir what happened to the states

[frank zodiac]

Second American Civil War

[sleek scroll]

Can somebody tell me how do get this 500 points

[grand wolf]

Did you put the old men into office

[grand wolf]

Are you puppet?

[proven quest]

paradox fix this pls

[frank zodiac]

What I am playing in TFR mod

[frank zodiac]

It's not important

[grand wolf]

I can clearly see that with the map

[proven quest]

i major in geography

it is important

[grand wolf]

Nah

Its globe on a rectangle

[frank zodiac]

I think it's not important.

[grand wolf]

It's gonna look wrong

[proven quest]

its unrealistic

its not alternative history

its historical vanilla

iwo jima is like the biggest pacific island

its unrealistic

its one of the smallest

in real life

[frank zodiac]

Together, let the Denver government win the civil war.

[grand wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[proven quest]

jævela svensker

[frank zodiac]

Skål, min vän

[proven quest]

skål min svenske ven

https://tenor.com/view/mario-kart-gif-26238435

[dusky perch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/j5RPqJC9TDc?si=e6wY0Ml9Hic4DRrT

[round jetty]

verify game files

if that doesnt work and youve tried everything else that was recommended, reinstall

[sleek scroll]

Yes,british puppet,playing as kuwait rn,im new

[heavy vigil]

big mongolia

[grand wolf]

What does the focus tree look like? And if ur new to the game play as a different country, Belgium or the Belgium congo are fun if you got the dlc

[heavy vigil]

kuwait is certainly a choice

[sleek scroll]

i got general edition directly,i have same focus tree of unspecial countries

[ripe slate]

With realistic size it would be unclickable

[proven quest]

true

but its half the size of taiwan

atleast size it a bit down

like some of the other islands

[ripe slate]

Yeh its downsized in Road to 56 I think

But yeh, still has to be fairly huge to be nicely selectable

[tulip grotto]

holy alt history

[proven quest]

i agree with that

but its just comically huge in vanilla

[placid onyx]

Of course there's Russian hackers on hoi4 multiplayer

[ripe slate]

Definitely possible

[proven quest]

yeah

thats way better

also the color of china

better too

[sleek scroll]

Guys i researched torpedos but still cant build subs,why @heavy vigil @grand wolf

[grand wolf]

You need to research subs as well

[sleek scroll]

i did?

@grand wolf

Whats wrong

[grand wolf]

Do you have naval dockyards

[sleek scroll]

i got 3

did naval effort focus

[proven latch]

where the hell is everyone

[frank zodiac]

L

[sleek scroll]

Oh i forgot to make my own variant,its fixed now

[frank zodiac]

anti Dinsh

Di-n-sh

[worldly spruce]

did they add escort carriers?

[tepid crown]

Yes

[ripe slate]

They seem way too expensive?

[spiral sphinx]

thats the fun about it

[zinc light]

Are they like small carriers?

Kinda like the midget sub?

[ripe slate]

Yes

[normal zinc]

Hello guys. How come the i cannot ask for more land as bulgaria with the peaceful development focus after they reject me? Shouldnt the decision come back?

[oak kestrel]

Cant open the thing where u see war stuff, like casulties, how much till capitulation etc

[misty fossil]

im actually surprised paradox got the name of this region right

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[brave oracle]

the lion does not concern himself with the addition of coal to the game and gives every major country like 10k coal at the game start to remove it from being a factor

god i hate paradox

[bronze mango]

coal really aint bad

yall just suck at the game

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-right-youre-right-gif-15444576

[brave oracle]

the thing i hate more than paradox is paradox bootlickers

enjoy your slop

untested*slop

[tulip thorn]

I will

I love my paradox slop

[daring geyser]

hoi4 has been slop since like 1.8

[tulip thorn]

I love it more than my family

[daring geyser]

or maybe since 1.0 lol

[brave oracle]

me too which makes me hate paradox all the more

i love their games, i hate that this particular company has a monopoly on GSG games

[tulip thorn]

I love the monopoly

[brave oracle]

ok bro

[tulip thorn]

SO they can scam and charge me how ever much they want

[brave oracle]

yeye

[tulip thorn]

I want them to take all my money

[misty fossil]

no way they did actually add this guy

tuff

[brave oracle]

unused factories consuming coal isn't "that bad" to you? that's a good intended mechanic in your opinion?

you think paradox playtests their games/dlc?

[brave oracle]

oh and did you play a minor country after the dlc released??

god bootlickers are ridiculous

[zinc light]

Why would you have unused factories in the First place?

[brave oracle]

because i don't have coal

[zinc light]

Fair enough

[brave oracle]

well i wouldn't build more than i needed but when you conquer/puppet countries you get that instant extra factories that suck up your coal

[grand wolf]

Hoi4 is the best game ever

[brave oracle]

so true my fellow slop enjoyer

[zinc light]

Honestly, coal is such a weird afterthought
You got other ways of making Energy, even back then, Like oil and gas
And some countries didnt even have energy back then, their factories ran on hard Manual labor

[tulip thorn]

Since they are the best player in the game, they assume everything is easy for everyone else since its easy for them

[brave oracle]

exactly

[grand wolf]

In Soviet Russia we dont make gun, gun make you

[copper cobalt]

O.o surely there's a limit to how much you can produce with said hard manual labour

[grand wolf]

Communism has no limits for manual labor

[zinc light]

In soviet russia you get gun and put on Front, If you survive that is your training

In ethiopia you share one italian gun with 20 other ethiopians

[grand wolf]

No you dont get gun, gun gets you and you hope and pray gun likes you

[tulip thorn]

I found coal easy to deal with, but just dont like the current state of the mechanic

[zinc light]

Also the recent Change that civilian nucelar reactors make you use less coal
Oh great, an uber late game special Project that barely anyone even knows exists

[spiral sphinx]

tf is that faction

[zinc light]

Bruh

[misty fossil]

asian league?

[grand wolf]

Its not even late game you can get it in 1939

[tepid crown]

I agree, at least they realize people haven’t been a big fan of it in its current form

[zinc light]

With any minor Nation?

[grand wolf]

If you try hard enough

[zinc light]

Bruh

And cripple your entire industry in the process because you essentially lose an entire year of buildup

Have fun working your 3 afghani civs

[grand wolf]

If you're a minor then theres no reason to get nuclear power unless you have big economy

[tulip thorn]

Coal can work, but it needs a better balance

[bronze mango]

Yes multiple, khotan ma, sinkiang and North Eastern army

[brave oracle]

and you think it's a good change??

[bronze mango]

I didn't even notice that fi it's real cause coal hasn't been an issue like at all in my games

[bronze mango]

I dislike how it changed the trade tabs look but other than that im fine with it

[misty fossil]

<@&846894118219022336>

[opal nymph]

I think someone clicked a sussy link

[misty fossil]

i have 200 divs in these pockets

[frank zodiac]

Your screen is broken

[sudden thistle]

It’s not that bad

But it’s also not that good

[frank zodiac]

@grand wolf bro what u think Invade Finland or ally with it?

[spiral sphinx]

east india company still my fav country ❤️

[grand wolf]

Who are you playing as

[grand wolf]

Belgium is my favorite

[spiral sphinx]

i like how you can core so much with it

the one spain is cool too

[grand wolf]

Spain can core everything💀 needs a nerf

[grand wolf]

Cores are amazing, im pretty sure japan can core china

[spiral sphinx]

only non historic i think tho

[grand wolf]

Yeah its the focus at the bottom of the monarchy path

[spiral sphinx]

what is communist china even about now

shanxi got some troops now

[fervent minnow]

G

[sacred hazel]

Anyone played democratic japan

[icy wyvern]

How do u get new line battalions now?

[muted loom]

Hi guys who understand the new navy mechanics in hoi4

[sacred hazel]

build the same ships

[astral turret]

always knew polish people are asian!!!(they only have these two states)

[icy wyvern]

?????

[sacred hazel]

just enable automatic port

[muted loom]

I tried but I lose my navy against the british

[icy wyvern]

@sacred hazel

[muted loom]

I play germany

[sacred hazel]

how do you play china with this flag

britain is way stronger

[astral turret]

u start as northeast army and go their small focus tree and go to war with manchuria

[sacred hazel]

every update they make britain stronger

[sacred hazel]

Thanks

I thought they got no focus

[paper echo]

is it vital to patrol ships now?

[ripe slate]

Yes

[paper echo]

bruh

welp its more realistic now

[sacred hazel]

Dont you feel britain just cannot be beaten

[paper echo]

i still remember losing 200-300 units while naval invading britain cuz my stupid ahh decided to bring all my army there

and i had no supply

it was funny

[sacred hazel]

This update you have supply

[paper echo]

this update ruined my 2 best map mod combos 💔

[icy wyvern]

HOW DO YOU GET NEW LIKE BATTALIONS FOR FUCLS SAKÉ

[paper echo]

WHY IS IT SO BRIGHT

[sudden thistle]

wtf does that mean

[paper echo]

i think that

[icy wyvern]

Yes

[paper echo]

im trying to figure it out

[paper echo]

i think you have to complete 1 sub doctrine

[paper echo]

makes sense

[fringe shell]

thats the ugliest austro-hungary i have ever seen

[sudden thistle]

Why are they BLUE

[paper echo]

in the previous pic it says "chinese austria"

probably thats why

[tulip thorn]

Just destroyed half of the german tanks

half of their tank force

[paper echo]

isnt it satisfying when you incircle the entire eastern front

[tulip thorn]

I wish I could encirlce the entire eastern front

[paper echo]

and then you battleplan germany

[tulip thorn]

I thought it would be a fun idea to max buff the axis

[paper echo]

damn

is it fun

[tulip thorn]

I've never had the base game german ai do this much to me as the ussr

[paper echo]

bruh on my game ussr did the right path and georgia revolted and united caucasus

[tulip thorn]

The germans have over 600 factories

and 600 units

They broke the batlic 2 times now lol

[paper echo]

only for other caucasus states to revolt and caucasus lost land

[tulip thorn]

The germans have over 10k fighters over my land lol

[weary whale]

Okay soooo.... France kinda took over all of Germany but I kindly requested some states from Japan and now I'm in Asia, big w?

[tulip thorn]

Im starting to think I should have defended along the river

[paper echo]

bro is doing the indochinese reich

[paper echo]

you didnt do it?

you just did a front line?

[tulip thorn]

I thought I could defend along the german border very easily

Its working

[paper echo]

if it was normal i would understand.BUT ON BUFFED AXIS?!

[tulip thorn]

Just not in the baltics

I should do this in sheep mod

Max buffed axis

[craggy trail]

🐑

[paper echo]

idk why but whenever i play as ussr germany always shoots my planes down

[paper echo]

but as other countries with same designs im fine

and i do the air focuses

[tulip thorn]

Though I dont think im good enough at the game for max buffed axis in sheeps mod lol

I dont even think mp meta could save me

[paper echo]

shouldnt there be a bug reports channel

they should add it

since its the official server after all

[tulip thorn]

Air as ussr is not needed until your ready to start pushing really

[paper echo]

i wanna cripple the german army before pushing

and i usually end up with like 95% of my fighters shot down

only as ussr

[heavy vigil]

cat

[frank estuary]

Can I hold the line like this (put my divisions behind rivers and built some forts + static warfare)?

[tulip thorn]

Maybe?

[zinc crystal]

which fascist path of belgium is funnier and allows to core more land?

[tulip thorn]

They have more than 1?

I thought the only one was the path that leads to burgundy

[zinc crystal]

degrelle and vnv

[tulip thorn]

I dont remember

I played them once after the dlc came out

and never again

[paper echo]

do the one where you change names 500 times

i dont remember the path

[livid fractal]

how tf u get naval dominance?

[craggy trail]

Patrol missions

[livid fractal]

it just stays docked

doesnt patrol

no accessible region it says

[craggy trail]

I've encountered that bug before. That is pretty weird

Set your naval base to Manila

[livid fractal]

same

[tulip thorn]

The germans keep breaking the baltic defenese

[supple osprey]

💀

[craggy trail]

I mean your home base

[paper echo]

eh they will starve soon

[slow cloak]

wang jingwei china aar 1944

[tulip thorn]

The ai just encircled me 💀

[paper echo]

you are ussr you dont care about your men

[slow cloak]

i really hate how there is no northern shan state, arunachal, pamir mountain provinces that china can claim

[tulip thorn]

I dont care about the infantry

Its the 5 tank divs

[paper echo]

did they incircle those?

[tulip thorn]

2 of them in lithuania

[paper echo]

ouch

that sucks

what year

[tulip thorn]

dec 41

[sudden thistle]

why tf is tno keep crashing

i keep getting to 27 april 1963 and crash

[paper echo]

maybe the update broke it

[sudden thistle]

when did it come out

[tulip thorn]

Im falling back to the river

[sudden thistle]

i did a game last night too and it crashed then

[tulip thorn]

This is unsustainable

[paper echo]

last week

[sudden thistle]

yeah not that then

[paper echo]

well i think they did a hotfix recently

2 actually

[sudden thistle]

also crashed the same date yesterday

[deep solstice]

bro MANAGE YOUR NATION 😭

Special Projects, Cypher, Non Aggresion Pacts, unassigned divisions, outdated equipment

what the HELL is going on in your america 😭

[tulip thorn]

Thats normal

if you dont mind having alot on your screen

I ignore most of whats on the top of my screen

Unless its something important

The german ai is reinforce memeing me lol

I might cry

[slow cloak]

what should i do? japan has declared on soviets and the axis seems to be winning, should i join japan or join the allies?

[tulip thorn]

Which one would be the least annoying to win the war for

[misty fossil]

ok now im curious

im fighting the uk who fields much worse plane designs yet they're trading 1:1 with me?

[umbral agate]

am i cooked (its sheeps mod that why its an older version

[slow cloak]

that would probably be japan

[paper echo]

you could fight soviets and get mongolia tannu tuva and as much of siberia as you can

[slow cloak]

what did bro do to anger xi bei san ma

[tulip thorn]

ma bufang wants blood

[umbral agate]

in japans faction, its unhist

[tulip thorn]

He is angry about his nerf

Wait sheeps mod works in ahist

Might have to give it a try

[cerulean orchid]

ts frying my brain bruh

[heavy vigil]

my game is struggling rn

[leaden mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1346394602751524865/1385558583952936960/watermark.gif

[keen igloo]

alright real shit, should I cop NCNS?

[tulip thorn]

if it was on sale yes

[misty fossil]

@heavy vigil kinda need your help? im not trading very well against the uk despite having literally everything in my favour

[heavy vigil]

what are you trading? steel?

[misty fossil]

air

[heavy vigil]

looks fine to me?

[misty fossil]

their air design is dogshit and they are running out of oil yet they're doing almost 1:1

[heavy vigil]

its rlly not

tag over

[heavy vigil]

uk spitfire design is decent

it has armor plates and hmg

single engine

no self sealing

[misty fossil]

im playing modded air

[heavy vigil]

oh okay

then its just a stat issue

air defense good

[misty fossil]

half of my air are the 44 airframe

[tulip thorn]

Its because they have more agility

[heavy vigil]

well the majority dying are old/foreign

[misty fossil]

oh yeah true

[slow cloak]

Guys is it good to stay on war economy even though u r not at war

[tulip thorn]

yes

In vanilla yes

Why would you ever go down from it

[slim nexus]

I thought -10% stability every 180 day

[heavy vigil]

oough

why my game struggling

[tulip thorn]

I just went to menu, the germans have so much air

[bleak cradle]

yall think ncns will be on sale on cyber monday?

[leaden mulch]

Wait for winter sale imo

[bleak cradle]

k

also

whats anybody heres favorite navy path any mods anything

i dont have new dlc or toa

[fluid harness]

hey chat

can yall recommend me a mod to play ?

[fluid harness]

Goeringmaxxing

[tepid crown]

It’s because you’re using a mod for it

[misty fossil]

what

[tepid crown]

You’re using a mod for plane designer

[misty fossil]

so?

[tepid crown]

So what?

[misty fossil]

i dont get your point

how does having a mod have anything to do with me having bad trade

especially considering i never had the same problem with this exact same mod

[tepid crown]

Why wouldn’t it?

[misty fossil]

no?

just look at the numbers