hoi4-general

[pseudo saddle]

They tried to fix something that wasnt broken

And in turn massively overcomplicated it and made it 10000x worse

Naval invasions are basically pointless now just paradrop

[late cypress]

I haven’t been seeing much decisive naval battles either

[cerulean orchid]

it literally took me until 1945 to beat the uk as japan because it took me like 3 years to figure out how to naval invade

[late cypress]

It’s just kill random patrol fleet

[cerulean orchid]

yeah the ai splits its fleet up now no more deathstacks

[pseudo saddle]

Honestly the way to fix the strike force exploit

[jade ore]

will ai's ever be able to build forts and new air bases

[pseudo saddle]

Make it do not engage strike forces provide NO supremacy

Low engagments provide some but at a penalty

[cerulean orchid]

is it still good to deathstack ur navy

[pseudo saddle]

No because what happens then is your small fleet gets found and evaporated

Especially if theres a carrier there

So your strike force never arrives in time

Trying to fight the UK navy now is absolutely awful if your smaller

Their patrol fleets are bigger with more stats and often better admirals + a naval hq nearby

So they just detonate your patrol fleet before the strike force arrives and your deathstack fleet has a - spotting value due to being so big

[cerulean orchid]

i swear bruh with every update it feels like theyre trying to make it impossible to play minor nations

[pseudo saddle]

And the coal system is AWFUL and makes navy even harder to build

Since your dockyards are running at less capacity

[river gull]

i present gore

[cerulean orchid]

first they buff the uk ai to the point where u basically need tanks to break through the deathstack they always amount
second they now make it even harder than it was before to naval invade
third the coal system

[pseudo saddle]

I swear the UK ai just ignores attrition when attacking

Its like they just spam attack until you strength die and they take 0 attrition from it

[warm otter]

why 1.17 still crashing on my side

[tiny osprey]

no this is so true

I hate how when in infantry veiw you can still see it

[river gull]

How would i know

[warm otter]

because you can run the game and I can't

[river gull]

Just run the game

[south stirrup]

is ROC gameplay fun?

[dawn mango]

bro WHAT does this have to do with polish-lithuania

[fickle thicket]

its a meme

[barren coyote]

Guys I have a very important question for you all, what minor nation do you all play the most?

[raven lava]

Is Mengkukuo getting a focus tree?

[mild roost]

someone give me no compromise no surrender pwease 😊

[raven lava]

Get the dlc sub its cheap

[oak mantle]

coal system

hate it so much

[north spoke]

this

[oak mantle]

biggest nerf to scaling

[north spoke]

NCNS is just no competition no fun

[oak mantle]

they made coal rarer than diamonds

its so stupid

[trail beacon]

new dlc havin me be like

[cerulean orchid]

les go

[humble fern]

What is this about?

[craggy trail]

The wife of Chiang Kai Shek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOMs3WB2OB8

[sharp sierra]

lol

[humble fern]

He died?

Shrek died. And now his wife must take affairs in her own hands

(No secret path even.)

[meager valley]

Stats kinda garbo

[ashen ingot]

lol there should be a secret shrek path

it makes 0 sense, but then again you can put a bear in charge of poland ( tho that has some historical matieria

[sick moth]

how do i dismantle a faction now?

[dusky burrow]

Those are some good catches

[cerulean orchid]

i kind of quit

bc japan literally controlled the entire coast line

[viscid coyote]

Speaking of which, how do I get pass the Chinese firewall

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/my-little-pony-rex-mlp-ok-who-knows-gif-12173893

[viscid coyote]

The only reason I’m on discord rn is because t mobile bailed me out with their international internet

[viscid coyote]

Ok

[viscid coyote]

Kick everyone out except your puppets

[viscid coyote]

Really?

It’s seems pretty common in the balkans

And Poland

[opal citrus]

let me guess

you either started the game with the fragments on

or you released every country u could

[wicked haven]

[deft cargo]

I play non historical for the laughs bc why is Ireland in Damascus

[heavy vigil]

early

[wicked haven]

At least I have no fuel to go with it

[fickle thicket]

thisll be done before gta 6 drops

[patent thistle]

the names themselvs are irrelevant here, i am talking about the ships themselvs

the names they have rightnow is just so they are portuguese (if they were accepted they would obviously be renamed)

[slow kraken]

What do you do in this situation

[leaden mulch]

ur cooked

MP moment

[heavy vigil]

cheese they havent fixed kashmir

[leaden mulch]

whats that again

i forgot

[sudden thistle]

sinkiang is easy bro

[heavy vigil]

2000 starting pp nation

[snow glade]

I have a prediction

Expansion pass 3

[cedar kite]

does anyone know if the -0.2% civilian intelligence supposed to be intentional?

[leaden mulch]

oh yeah that 😭

[snow glade]

Will have a banger soundtrack called 'destroyer of worlds'

[heavy vigil]

they also start with paratroopers so dont mess with them

[snow glade]

Because expansion pass 3

Will be about America

Also

[heavy vigil]

i hope they make the US worse

[snow glade]

Congress overhaul probably

[snow glade]

But why?

[cedar kite]

if the us would get a congress overhaul wouldn't it make sense if the uk would also have a parliment system?

[snow glade]

Naturally

[leaden mulch]

If only ai could use paras

[cedar kite]

id say more factories but more consumer goods on the depresion spirit

[heavy vigil]

they can but its only by state and vanilla doesnt

[snow glade]

That would be terrifying

[heavy vigil]

more factories but they cant use any of them until 1955

[snow glade]

But it would be epic

[cedar kite]

i mean historically germany used paras to invade norway

[snow glade]

Because Britain ruled the waves

[cedar kite]

technically germany should already start with para research

[snow glade]

Damn right

[heavy vigil]

no

[cedar kite]

historically it did

[heavy vigil]

they already start with transport planes

[cedar kite]

but i think its for balance

[heavy vigil]

they shouldnt cuz they could cap france over rhineland war

lmao

through paras

[cedar kite]

like i said its probably compensating balance over historical accurance

[heavy vigil]

japan starts with it now tho

and so does ussr some ussr releasables and kashmir

[cedar kite]

germany based off their para from the soviets

[heavy vigil]

easy to remember

[cedar kite]

any relesable inherits the research from who it gets released from

but some do have starting tech

[heavy vigil]

no

thats false

its pre set

thats how it works in vic3 but not in hoi4

it is true that often the starting techs are similar, yes

but they do not inherit it

you can test this as portugal

capo verde will get their same starting techs but angola and mozambique etc wont

because the nations were added earlier and not given any set starting techs

[leaden mulch]

Bros played too much😭

[heavy vigil]

ive played like almost every nation?

you expect me to not remember something about almost all of them

[cedar kite]

its true

[leaden mulch]

424 tags gng

Or smth like that

[cedar kite]

you have not played as partisans smh

[heavy vigil]

i think i did but very short

i liked adding them to a map for dlavour

flavour*

[heavy vigil]

theres not that many

irl the nations are like 230~

and game start its like 70 ish nations?

i forgot

[leaden mulch]

There are

[heavy vigil]

so maybe up to 300 max

[leaden mulch]

Iirc

[heavy vigil]

well if you include cosmetic tags sure

but those arent nations

[cedar kite]

lol

[leaden mulch]

Whenever I use "every_possible_country" it gives 424

[heavy vigil]

yes that includes cosmetic tags

[cedar kite]

351 tags

[cedar kite]

some countries have alt tags

[heavy vigil]

and dynamic tags

[leaden mulch]

True

[cedar kite]

d01 d02 and d03 are also spa spb and spc

[leaden mulch]

Yh

[patent thistle]

argentina has a death wish

[heavy vigil]

also how am i supposed to help everyone in #ask-for-help-here if i dont know the advantages and weaknesses of every nation smh

[cedar kite]

so whats the advantage of playing as PSH?

[heavy vigil]

idk what nation that is by tag

whats the name

[cedar kite]

Pashtunistan

[heavy vigil]

uuuhh

you have mountains

you control the supply iirc

[cedar kite]

you dont know where it is dont you

[heavy vigil]

checking it rn

[fickle thicket]

how tf did they make it to the middle east

[heavy vigil]

i havent played it like guam or something

not as interesting

[cedar kite]

good luck

[cedar kite]

guam is not a tag

[patent thistle]

its just the wierd ah name of one argentine state

[heavy vigil]

raj[ushtana?

[heavy vigil]

gum

[brittle wedge]

Ive never played ethiopia before

[fickle thicket]

uh weird

[patent thistle]

dont question me question the argentines

[brittle wedge]

Ethiopia mains where you at?

[heavy vigil]

cant say that i forgor

[heavy vigil]

banger nation

[heavy vigil]

bittersteel did a very reasonable vid on ethiopia

itll teach you orgwall ethiopia

[valid whale]

Can you change your sub doctrine later in the game and keep your mastery level?

So example for infantry, start with defensive postures and then change to mobile infantry later on?

[trim pike]

No

[valid whale]

Would it restart the mastery gain? Or can you not even change the sub doctrine at all?

[patent thistle]

portuguese navy

[trim pike]

Restart

[valid whale]

Thanks

[patent thistle]

also yes germany somehow managed to push through the f***ing maginot in this world

[heavy vigil]

:(

they gave singapore no starting tech

criminal

[patent thistle]

time to prep for the axis

is grand battleplan still numbers wise more effective?

(didnt play around with the new doctrines much yet)

[sage fog]

anyone know when ai controlled manchukuo typically takes 'independence war'

or is it just random?

[wind robin]

IM STRUGGLING WITH ETHIOPIA HELP

[sage fog]

its done every focus EXCEPT that one

now it's on the air porduction

[leaden mulch]

i dont think they ever do on historical

i could be wrong tho

[sage fog]

its ahistorical

[analog ivy]

how

[south stirrup]

Is republic of China DLC stuff good?

[sudden thistle]

win?

i will play until i have 100% infra and all that fun stuff

[analog ivy]

dude the darkest hour mod looks so cool should i play it?

[sudden thistle]

yes

[analog ivy]

ew blue china

[analog ivy]

i thought it was gonna be like black ice or something and be really difficult

[sudden thistle]

god forbid a man plays sinkiang in his free time

[sudden thistle]

not as hard as black ice

[analog ivy]

from what i've read in the description it seems like hoi5 lol

[sudden thistle]

this only took 3 hours to do too

which is great

[analog ivy]

how'd you do it as sinkiang?

[sudden thistle]

did sov puppet

[analog ivy]

also are you playing on a 360 monitor holy

[sudden thistle]

made turkestan through focus

suffered through china

then moved west into germany

colony

[analog ivy]

dude what resolution is your monitor

[sudden thistle]

36 inch wide

or long

however u think of it

[analog ivy]

its basically a TV at that point

[sudden thistle]

not rlly

[analog ivy]

actually my monitor is 27 inch

not that much different

is it 4k?

[sudden thistle]

I think so

It’s a little buggy but works

[steady thorn]

all of that just to civ greed

[sudden thistle]

How did u know!

[analog ivy]

bro you have to turn your head left and right to see stuff lol

[sudden thistle]

No?

[steady thorn]

now shor brother room christi 🔥

show

[analog ivy]

do you sit far back?

[sudden thistle]

Maybe

It’s not much ngl

[steady thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/716406814962352168/1204275878897524756/togif-1-2.gif

[sudden thistle]

Bed, pc, 2 bookshelves, bed for doggy, and a uhhh

Carpet!

[analog ivy]

sounds like darkest hour is just a better rt56

[rose parcel]

i finally defeated the soviet union for the first time

[analog ivy]

W

[sudden thistle]

If u rlly wanna i can give u a 2 minute long tour sometime

[steady thorn]

no bro idc

[analog ivy]

damn

[sudden thistle]

Frick you too bro

[steady thorn]

just kidding christi I do care

[sudden thistle]

I hope u need to do another Turkish war of independence

[steady thorn]

zzzzzzzzz

I care!!

I wanna see it rn

please

[slim nexus]

What is this little boy right here

[opal nymph]

Simeon II

[tulip thorn]

The only hoi4 leader that is still alive today

[opal nymph]

Poor Elizabeth II

[daring geyser]

what about me

i play hoi4

and im a leader (alpha male)

[slim nexus]

Dang

[deep solstice]

LETS GO

that actually was kinda hard bc I kept taking too long 😭

im crine

[tulip thorn]

rip

[opal nymph]

Is it me, or has anyone else been getting reinforce memed more often

Do I need signal companies in all my divisions

[south stirrup]

Is republic of China content good?

[violet narwhal]

So I had my Chinese Puppet stolen from me by the other chinese.

[warped flint]

Who should I play as

[opal nymph]

Tried playing Democratic China

Just realized I might be able to get the US into the war early with a focus

[south stirrup]

thats sounds kinda cool

Democratic Japan can kinda do the same making the US not join the European war but help you with lend lease against China

Eventually the US just joined my Asian faction too

[heady bison]

hungary

[violet narwhal]

Ezo Republic

[warped flint]

I just did them

[warped flint]

?

[heady bison]

Bulgaria

[frozen dune]

well shit

[warped flint]

yk what ill just do hungary again

[rough pond]

which mao path is the historical one? diarchy or the left one

[glad sun]

how do i return it

[rough pond]

garrison random islands with them

or use for coastal defense

[glad sun]

no its my puppets

[rough pond]

why do u want to return them

[glad sun]

i dont need them since i baet china

[warped flint]

Wait do I do poland hungary finland sweden

I am debating between those

[rough pond]

poland is fun

[onyx spade]

It's too bad that Paradox did not rework border conflicts.

You can't choose the general, nor which state you attack from and which you attack into

[leaden mulch]

Either Finland or Poland imo

Poland is peak

Finland is as well

[warped flint]

I enjoyed playing cossack king poland

[rough pond]

rk poland is fun no cap

[warped flint]

?

[rough pond]

facist puppet poland

[warped flint]

how is that fun

sounds like buns

[rough pond]

on a serious note though, Anastasia is fun, historical is also fujn

[rough pond]

u don't like germany splitting u into like 3 diffrent puppets by making reichkomissariats out of ur territory when u their puppet?

[onyx spade]

Border conflicts came with Waking the Tiger. Yet they didn't even rework it? With NCNS price, they could have at least reworked that too

[warped flint]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-with-filter-gif-5441632932248933938

[rough pond]

naval rework is nice

and doctrine rework

L coal but it is something

[onyx spade]

Yeah, but it is more expensive than other DLCs

[rough pond]

and new focus trees r cool

[onyx spade]

I like that

[rough pond]

more reworks than in past dlcs

past only had like 1-2 changes

[onyx spade]

Yet they did not rework Border Conflicts

Something that came with Waking the Tiger

One of the DLC that got merged with the game to make it easier to develop

Plus they barely reworked Manchukuo. Arguably one of the most interesting nations out of the bunch. Being that it has the heir to throne of Qing

[rough pond]

japan, china, communist china, philipines?

feel like all the aforementioned are way more consequential

[onyx spade]

I'd take Manchukuo rework over Philippines

[onyx spade]

The Philippines? Debatable

[rough pond]

philipines is much more consequential than a japanese puppet state?

[onyx spade]

What did they do? They got invaded by Japan and was under occupation for quite some years

[onyx spade]

Their foothold into China

[rough pond]

and liberated by usa, but point is, it has more name recognition and is more historically relevant

[rough pond]

well they initially had korea

[tardy vigil]

Excuse me, where could I report a bug directly to the dev?

[onyx spade]

Try tech support

[rough pond]

where they invaded manchuko from

[rough pond]

pdx forums?

[tardy vigil]

Appreciate mates

[onyx spade]

Eh, I'd still take a in-depth tree for Manchukuo over the Philippines.

[open fjord]

Coming back after a while away, wtf is up with the coal, can you get more? Not from trade but like extracting? Do you get more when you conquer?

[marsh ravine]

Look in excavation decisions

Some countries get coal decisions

Not everyone but some people do

[onyx spade]

Plus they could have just done the Philippines with the Dutch East Indies, Malaya, Siam and a French Indochina colony

It's the odd one in the DLC

[rough pond]

true

[onyx spade]

Yes, what nation are you gonna play?

[analog ivy]

yo im playing darkest hour and my game keeps crashing

[onyx spade]

So go to their discord?

[analog ivy]

yeah im on discord

[onyx spade]

On the Darkest Hours discord...

[open fjord]

Probably Germany/france, maybe Japan, also tf is this new xp for doctrine, these changes gonna take some getting used too

[onyx spade]

Germany has A LOT of coal. Japan has some and can trade for more in Mancuria. Shaanxi has a lot too. France has a decent bit aswell

The new doctrine system is far better than the previous once

[open fjord]

So if I steamroll Europe I can have all the coal?

[open fjord]

It looks better

[rough pond]

mass mob bricks got nerfed😭

[warped flint]

Pretty sure since the update you have to go back a version

[onyx spade]

It is better and far cheaper on XP

[warped flint]

Woah that was fast

fascist by june 36

[analog ivy]

yea i did already

[rough pond]

germany has plenty already

[warped flint]

could do faster but I messed up slightly

[open fjord]

Yea but, I want it all

[onyx spade]

You spend like 100 xp to pick the main doctrine and 100 for each sub doctrine which is like 400 XP

each sub doctrine gets better as you build up mastery

[open fjord]

And when I say all, I mean, ALL OF IT lmao

[onyx spade]

Which is from suign units that subdoctrine is for

[onyx spade]

The US has most

The USSR has a a lot aswell

[open fjord]

So for doctrine/subdoctrine the xp is gained from those units? Not all?

[onyx spade]

But you don't actually need a crazy amount

After you've picked a sub doctrine you can hover you mouse over the mastery meter to check what units build mastery

You can probably guess by what it boosts and signifies

[open fjord]

Yea see that, okay makes sense, this is gonna be an interesting playthrough

Seems like naval xp is slow af

[onyx spade]

By the way. when you are picking a sub doctrine click on the open book symbol in it's window. It let's you see the bonuses teh Subdoctrine will give

[onyx spade]

Train navy

But can be slow to build mastery

can give about 0.100-500 XP per day

[open fjord]

Yea that’s what I meant, the mastery is slow, which is the opposite for infantry/armor, that’s fast, air is in the middle, okay interesting, that will play in a lot to what I build

[onyx spade]

Yeah

[open fjord]

Well, time to steamroll

[warped flint]

What one of these is best

im finland btw infantry if that matters btw

[onyx spade]

What doctrine? And what will you use later on?

[warped flint]

Mass assault, I will probably try to convert to large infantry maybe even try expermienting with like helicopter stuff? idk if that matters

[dusky burrow]

Yeah assault infantry is the best here

[onyx spade]

I usually just always go with Mobile infantry due to org and speed. But Individual excellence gives hp which reduces manpower loss

[dusky burrow]

You're either doing a mountaineer build or a ranger build, idk which is better here

[onyx spade]

Assault works too

[warped flint]

Awh shit I forgout about mountaineers

[dusky burrow]

Okay fair individual excellence isn't too bad either

Ask Casey for more details I guess

[warped flint]

This could help since I wont have much manpower

[marsh ravine]

Does finland alr get snow buffs(

If so id go ranger cos ranger is forest

[dusky burrow]

They're in support companies

[marsh ravine]

BTW they both stack on the same company if u didnt know

So recon rangers r so funni

[dusky burrow]

Yeah I figured

[warped flint]

So assault infantry?

[marsh ravine]

Imagine finland forming nordics and becoming a major, then having the snow mountaineer+forest & urban ranger on recon rangers+Finnish support companies

[dusky burrow]

Yeah, as Casey would say it has bloated buffs

But seriously yeah Finland can be strong like that

[onyx spade]

They have shit manpower so I'd say it's fair

[marsh ravine]

Bro a 36w brick of rangers+engi1+flame1+recon rangers has 50% attack 60% def on a forest in snow

Iirc

[grizzled yarrow]

Ok so last night while i was invading ussr and communist germany iran and iraq declared me the the soviet union joined american commonwealth then most of south america declared on me

[warm otter]

what do you mean communist germany

[grizzled yarrow]

Yk

[warped flint]

?

[grizzled yarrow]

The communist path for germany

[dusky burrow]

You get like 800, 900 def it's crazy

[marsh ravine]

Thats base stat

[warm otter]

not ostdeutschland?

[marsh ravine]

U still have 480 defense with gun1

[grizzled yarrow]

Hhhhhhh

[warm otter]

is it non historical

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[onyx spade]

Huh seems 36 is a magical number. Even for tanks as they melt divisions

[marsh ravine]

Because it is a good width?

[grizzled yarrow]

Yeah its a non historical path

[marsh ravine]

WAIT COS U GET 60% DEF CANT YOU GO 39W WITH 1 LINE AT AND EAT THE BREAK DEBUFF?

[dusky burrow]

I mean with 36-width you get a very good ratio of HP to org, which means they can keep on attacking for longer

But I've done well with smaller units before too

[marsh ravine]

Fits well into tiles

[dusky burrow]

Yeah

[marsh ravine]

Cos 35 is actually the magic number for plains and hills

[dusky burrow]

For my Aussa run I did 28-width because that's all the xp I had

[marsh ravine]

And desert and whatever else

[marsh ravine]

Tbh I would have done smol only

Snake gaming

You will have 20 units a tile and you will enjoy it!

[dusky burrow]

This is pre-dlc however I wouldn't have done it here because I jacked my conscription law to all adults serve before lowering it back down to extensive conscription

[marsh ravine]

I would still do that

[dusky burrow]

It's almost impossible now since your recruitment rate is 1/20th what it used to be

[marsh ravine]

WHET

[dusky burrow]

Yeah you get like 0.010% daily instead of 0.2% daily when increasing conscription laws

It's sooooo bad

[marsh ravine]

I'm asking for that to be changed where i play

[heavy vigil]

yeah they made it slower

[slim nexus]

Tf is this guy

[spring relic]

hello

[slim nexus]

So Soviet lost and they got a new emperor

[spring relic]

cocerning the new navy dominence mechanics

dosent the new mechanic cripple minor nations

like norway denmark and iceland

[dusky burrow]

idk but he's clearly georgian as well

[heavy vigil]

how is this and coal peoples issues for minor nations over the doctrine system is beyond me

[dusky burrow]

what's the worst about the doctrine systen

[spring relic]

idm the coal tbh

[heavy vigil]

you need manpower deployed to grind it faster/on time ?

[spring relic]

but i was going to do a norway achivment run but

[heavy vigil]

thats literally more punishing the smaller you are

[dusky burrow]

Yeah but tbh that's more of a multiplayer concern

in singleplayer you can probably just grind it while at war

[spring relic]

idk if its possible to invade uk

in addition to less troops used to invade

[heavy vigil]

🛫 🛩️ 🛬 🪂 💥

[spring relic]

actually

forogor abt them

[dusky burrow]

they made naval invading harder so yeah

[warm otter]

1.17 still crashing

is it because of debug mode being activated on launch

or what

[heavy vigil]

ahist when germany changes flag

because china eco tree is bugged

[warm otter]

but some can play it?

[heavy vigil]

yes but it crashes if china isnt annexed at some point and germany changes flag

[warm otter]

no, it crashes when i start a new game

[heavy vigil]

damn

[rapid sapphire]

dawg how am i italy getting cooked by AI ethiopia

[warm otter]

um

[spring relic]

coz italy sucks

[warm otter]

no generals?

[spring relic]

just spam troops

[rapid sapphire]

yes generals

front lines and offensive lines too

tried everything, aint working

[spring relic]

just battleplan with minor micro

[warm otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/826464137114681404/1442548212362903753/image.png?ex=6927cf77&is=69267df7&hm=758cea15bb1ad84f8580d681beadb69c65a86d5e490703c3be0f48a83219d35d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1481&height=833

explain this

[rapid sapphire]

i do not understand this game bro 😭

[spring relic]

italy wins by sheer force

[heavy vigil]

air mostly

[rapid sapphire]

what

[heavy vigil]

your ground units are bad

[rapid sapphire]

what is that

[grand wolf]

France looks like it needs to be invaded

[warm otter]

use cas then bomb

[spring relic]

lots of red arrow bro

[warm otter]

germany is a dummy and declared war on the soviets when the soviets are already helping us fight the allies

[spring relic]

navy would be fun there

[warm otter]

my navy

uhh

[spring relic]

italy no navy = lsoe

[warm otter]

💀

somehow

patrol missions on capital ships

[spring relic]

no

[warm otter]

are bad?

[spring relic]

yes

vey bad

just put them on strike

[warm otter]

but they have damage

[spring relic]

always engage

[spring relic]

yuh

they supposed to engage fleets not patrol

put patrol ships on do not engage

[warm otter]

there isn't a choice there?

[spring relic]

the is

make specific task force for patrol ships

1 ship per region

its on the top right of the navy menu

[warm otter]

what

1 ship and my ship die to 20

[spring relic]

for patrol only put 1 ship per region for fuel efficiency

[spring relic]

put on do not engage

it will avoid battle

[warm otter]

like recon only?

isnt that what naval bombers do

[spring relic]

no

naval bombers bomb

[spring relic]

yuh the engagement rule

[warm otter]

but they can recon and bomb

[spring relic]

idk abt that but patrol ships are much better

that is if you want to engage the enemy navy

[warm otter]

thats a must

wanna get naval superiority

then

naval invade

[onyx spade]

If it's fast enough. If not it'll be found and sunk

[slim nexus]

Man I really love xibei San ma

[onyx spade]

If they have recon cameras. But recon planes are a waste of ic

[onyx spade]

Why?

[slim nexus]

Just really funny and I love them

I learned about ma bufangs life and really found it wholesome

[quartz canyon]

I heard Manchukuo got communist and democratic paths in the tidying up of their tree. Do they have anything notable or do they just stop at flipping to that ideology and some war goals?

[onyx spade]

They didn't get that much

Instead the Philippines got more focus. (Which is dumb if you ask me.)

[spring relic]

tbh if your navy is ass might aswell dont

coz if its with the brits u need to water down their navy

since its in the med

you need like to bring down 30 capitals

[onyx spade]

They did get some rework to all their paths and was given a democracy and communist path.

Although I did not like that, if you chose the 5 peoples path you give up claims on the rest of China

It should have been a choice there as well. Whether you give up claims and only focus expanding north and into Mongolia. Or you focus both

[warm otter]

rbuh

[onyx spade]

One easier, as you can get China to help you Against Japan. While the other you fight both

[onyx spade]

Not that hard to be honest. Focus on light attack to kill screens then kill their capitals.

[spring relic]

yuh its not

[onyx spade]

You don't need particularly strong capitals. You just need to have some to distract theirs. As theirs are not that good either

But if teh AI every gets decent once. Your capitals are dead.

Highly unlikely with how the Ai is right now

But who knows what the future holds

[spring relic]

post 1941 ai has decent ships

but atp its dosent matter

[onyx spade]

They are shit

My strategy still works. Just use the game start battleships and the once in production. Delete all sub, destroyer or light cruiser production. Make light cruisers and destroyers after battleships are done and you win

Well that and some extra steps with the navy of course

[wicked haven]

Battleships are en expensive cost

They can work but CL spam works best

SHBB too

Then BB and CV tied

[wind robin]

Who pinged me

[wicked haven]

DD if you lose them or have none to start

CA is trash

[kind glacier]

how do you guys build eco as japan? Should i just spam mills/docks

[grand wolf]

I start with building some civs then when war with china comes around I make mils and dock yards

[coarse ruin]

Is this the same after the update though?

[grand wolf]

I gotta restart because china said no to me

😐

[odd axle]

lowk escort carrier only is kinda viable

you get 30% screening and like 110% sortie efficiency with doctrine

[kind glacier]

is it worth it to grind down those focusses which give dams and construction bonus?? Legit hitting +50% construction speed in 1938

is construction speed even that good

[grand wolf]

It helps make everything faster so yes

And dams have a 25% increase so yeah do those

[kind glacier]

nah i mean like im legit waiting till 1938 to actually start building anything other than infra

something something opportunity cost

[grand wolf]

Why are building infrastructure for 2 years?

[kind glacier]

waiting for the construction bonus trust

[grand wolf]

Build civs in the places with 80% infrastructure and then when mid 1937 rolls around make mills

Unless its at 20% or 40% you dont need to build infrastructure

[oak charm]

chat whats considered mandatory dlc for the game

[slim nexus]

None they all suck

[grand wolf]

Nah they all amazing

[oak charm]

the duality of man

[devout trench]

la resistance, by blood alone, no step back

and wait for no compromise no surrender to get cheaper

[grand wolf]

Yes wait for those winter steam sales

[onyx spade]

Yes

[tulip thorn]

No step back

And AAT

the 2 single best dlcs ever released

[grand wolf]

Doesn't that one give Soviet things

[tulip thorn]

No step back is soviet union, poland and the baltics

Plus the tank designer

[grand wolf]

Ahhhhhh

I love the tank designer

[tulip thorn]

AAT is the nordics, MIOs and the market

Sweden and finland being amazing

Norway and denmark being ok

and iceland is boring

[onyx spade]

They did the Swedish monarchist formable dirty by having the integration be so damn slow and expensive

[grand wolf]

So is the uk, france, usa, Canada, south Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, and burma

[tulip thorn]

Uk is fun what u on about

[grand wolf]

There's not much for the focus tree

Way better than the usa tho

[onyx spade]

USA and UK is outdated. While France is actually also outdated and limited for how new it is compared to the other two

[tulip thorn]

Focus tree doesnt always = fun

The uk atleast has 2 good alt history paths

And historical with Churchill isnt the worst historical tree in the game

[onyx spade]

Both share a lot

[tulip thorn]

Or well im talking about the alt historical where you get him early

[tulip thorn]

Still fun

And you can form eu as imperial federation uk

[onyx spade]

Oh you meant Churchill

[tulip thorn]

Or get queen Elizabeth the 2nd

[onyx spade]

Still rather basic and limited

[tulip thorn]

Its still fun

Japan before the rework was limited, but still pretty fun to play

[onyx spade]

The Communist tree is horrible and decolonization is boring and not fun

[grand wolf]

Yes

[tulip thorn]

True

[onyx spade]

I don’t play communist anything. But is very annoying as it slows the game

[tulip thorn]

Communist germany isnt bad

[weary forge]

anyone have the slightest clue why I can't get any naval supremacy?

Paradox is allergic to making intuitive systems apparently

[grand wolf]

Spotting is required

[grand wolf]

To get any

[onyx spade]

I agree. But I don’t play Communist as any nation. Although I will have to for Achievements

[weary forge]

how tf do I spot 😭

[grand wolf]

Its the first one when doing naval order

[weary forge]

you mean patrol?

[onyx spade]

Naval invasion support doesn’t give supremacy anymore

[grand wolf]

Yeah

Mb

[weary forge]

wait nvm figured it out

[heavy vigil]

why not

[weary forge]

this is so bizarre

[onyx spade]

I don’t like communism as a whole

[grand wolf]

I definitely suggest communist germany, Spartacus league

[heavy vigil]

i dont like fascism but i play fascist in game

its not irl

[onyx spade]

I am aware

[wicked haven]

Yes

Except maybe dds are better now

To the extent you can go with them

[heavy vigil]

range is more limited

[wicked haven]

Ye but you can be sneakier and get insane torps

CL still best though

[rustic coral]

why is the english channel not accessible to me (japan) even though germany owns france and is in my faction?

[wicked haven]

You have military access?

[rustic coral]

yeah

[wicked haven]

Are your ships in range?

[rustic coral]

they are in port in normandy

[wicked haven]

Hmm

[grand wolf]

Yes I got Qingdao before japan could take it from the Chinese

[rustic coral]

i even tried changing my control of france w the toolpacj

nothing still

[grand wolf]

What are you tryna do

[oak mantle]

yeah ggs

[rustic coral]

naval invade france

[oak mantle]

2.2k hard attack and 1k soft attack

not one battalion of mech but still 24 organisation

200% initiative

1k break

[grand wolf]

It looks like the navy doesn't have range did you change the home base?

[oak mantle]

100 armor

i could get like 3k hard attack on belgium lol

[grand wolf]

Pure tds is insane

[oak mantle]

yeah and it somehow has 24 org lol

doctrines are broken

[grand wolf]

Frrrrr

[oak mantle]

i think there is a way of getting it even better

[grand wolf]

I got a whole 29 org on my tank division rn😭

[oak mantle]

what are the stats

mech isnt even needed for tanks now lol

self propelled support does it all for you

[grand wolf]

328 soft 62 hard 267 defense 384 breakthrough 16.5 armor

Its interwar mediums tho so

[oak mantle]

self propelled support alone gives you 20 org base in td divisions along with 5% hard attack

grand assault gives you 4

td force gives you 6

so base with doctrine is like 30 org lol

without mech

i didnt expect to see the day where you dont need mech in tank divisions

[grand wolf]

I got motorized in my divisions

[true needle]

Would it be a good idea to make heavy fighters as Poland and use them only for interception?

[oak mantle]

This build for soviets would be like full dependency on tanks

But itd still work in mp

25 org for tanks isnt that bad

Bad but manageable

[true needle]

I figured that if I can't beat the German/Russian Airforce in air supremacy I might as well do interception which IIRC heavy fighters are better at? Or it could be better at air superiority

[oak mantle]

These divs are very expensive tho

[grand wolf]

Could probably get more tbh

[oak mantle]

Yeah could but that means sacrificing stats and needing to research mech

Not having to research mech as soviets is insane lol

[grand wolf]

Im tryna get an achievement rn

[oak mantle]

Which one

[grand wolf]

The one where you gotta get all former german territory

[oak mantle]

Oh

Dont you have to get that one state in russia

[grand wolf]

Which one?

[oak mantle]

Idk but its a memey state

[grand wolf]

No thats Lithuanian

[oak mantle]

No its a releasable

In russia

I forgot the name

Oh here

Republic of volga germany

Above stalingrad

[grand wolf]

Do you need it for the achievement?

[oak mantle]

I think so

Maybe

Idk

[grand wolf]

Okay okay ill just run over the ussr then

[oak mantle]

I doubt it cause itd annoy people

Take everything else and see if you get the achivement first lol

[grand wolf]

Idk if I should annex all of Belgium or puppet them

[glad sun]

waht coutns for supermacy

[grand wolf]

Patrol and strike force

[glad sun]

ok

[grand wolf]

Have a patrol fleet on do not engage and then a strike force

Poland can never catch a break

[agile perch]

which one do i do

[grand wolf]

Do brutal oppression till resistance is at 10%

[agile perch]

Ok thanks

[grand wolf]

Also if you have the dlc put spies there on root out resistance

[heavy vigil]

ohh

luxemburg, baltic german state and volga germany are options

besides the ones when you split germany ofc

lux is also only after splitting

[grand wolf]

Splitting what?

[agile perch]

is it supposed to go up by this ✌️

[heavy vigil]

yeah

[agile perch]

nvm its going down now

[agile perch]

ok. after that then what do i do

[grand wolf]

Put it on secret police or forced labor if you want the resources

Should I consume Austria or have Austria Hungary return

[grizzled yarrow]

Average communist germany run

[grand wolf]

Which path did you do

[cosmic rapids]

WE GOT NEW UPDATE???

[clear dagger]

eh?

[rocky stump]

?

[grand wolf]

How tf did i end up at war with the allies bro

[slim nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890311036127830017/1282731890658508890/hitler.gif

[grand wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/stalinium-war-thunder-wt-soviet-gif-4161128358194984441

[grand wolf]

Da

[slim nexus]

ДА

[celest dirge]

Micro a bit too hard, even korea is "free" in 1942

[grand wolf]

Dont you love when the ai produces 500 divisions out of no where during the german civil war

[brittle cypress]

Uh

This should not happen

Are you certain

[grand wolf]

I am very certain

[brittle cypress]

you are actually lying though

Ai does not have industry to even double their divisions

in German civil war

[grand wolf]

They were 2 width divisions

[brittle cypress]

you mean the spawn in ones at the start of the war? Those are 6w

Or are they making more

Wait what

[grand wolf]

They made more

[brittle cypress]

Just kill them

They’re literally the same as you but worse

[grand wolf]

I was trying to but I only had like 120 divisions

[brittle cypress]

Brother what

The German civil war

[brittle cypress]

What year are you in rn

[celest dirge]

How to see coal effect?

[grand wolf]

I had to restart but it was late 1936

[dusky burrow]

This is Sheep's Mod

Right

[dusky burrow]

1940 be like

[dusky perch]

Guys

How to hold defensive line as Soviet during Barbarossa

[dusky burrow]

60 heavy tank divisions at 36-width

[dusky perch]

Impossible

[clear dagger]

500 3 width artillery

https://tenor.com/view/500-cigarettes-five-hundred-cigarettes-gif-6779891482871762392

[dusky perch]

I just spam many infantry

Full template

But still Moscow got taken

[dusky burrow]

yeah large infantry tactics 21/0s will work too

[dusky perch]

Until winter?

[clear dagger]

I won a game with this btw

[dusky burrow]

Better for singleplayer since all you have to research there is infantry equipment

Flip to Trotsky and just start spamming gun 3s

[dusky burrow]

no way

[dusky perch]

I think Katyusha is better

[clear dagger]

also won a game with katyusha only

winter war hurt with that though

ouch

[dusky perch]

Eat tungsten

[dusky burrow]

they have 20 org but still no hp

[dusky perch]

I won't spend so many tungsten to artillery

[clear dagger]

why do i delete my screenshots after posting them lol

[dusky perch]

I focus on T34

[dusky burrow]

what t-34 design

you might not even need t-34 tbh

[dusky perch]

Custom

[dusky burrow]

screenshot?

[dusky perch]

Just spam many T34 early with radio

[dusky perch]

Laptop used by other people now

[dusky burrow]

ah I see

[dusky perch]

I send you later

[clear dagger]

bomb me now germany i dare you

[leaden mulch]

@heavy vigil schizo located

[leaden mulch]

with all of that anti air IC you could have made a fully functioning air force that would win against germany

[clear dagger]

its the 60s i have nothing left to build

i have 15k heavy fighters in storage i need manpower

[heavy vigil]

what do you think of the 3 cod wars

[leaden mulch]

wah

[heavy vigil]

the successive naval wars between the united kingdom (supported by belgium and west germany) vs iceland

[leaden mulch]

lmao

I'll check this out and give you an answer in a bit

[green moss]

Committee of East Asian Republics vs Co-Prosperity Sphere
(I tag-hop to support Anti-Japanese separatists)

[warm otter]

how to trigger hoi4 players:
✋ ⬅️ 🇬🇧

[heavy vigil]

did you look it up?

[leaden mulch]

yeah

its funny

modern day pirate tactics

between fishermen

[heavy vigil]

no no

the british sent in warships

very one sided wars

[leaden mulch]

well yeah

but i mean

The UK after realizing they are a major power and access to the GIUK gap is important

The third cod war is probably the craziest

lmao

British being late with their apologies as usual

[vapid oasis]

I'm still not a fan about the no new dlc limitations, but at least they boosted japan's focus tree enough to actually enjoy it.

mind you quality alt history stuff is locked behind the dlc, but it looks good

[atomic grove]

i thought the dlc wasnt necessary for fascist japan?

i havent played the alt history paths yet

[vapid oasis]

ah

[atomic grove]

are they actually fun

[vapid oasis]

havent bothered to touch the game lately to see for myself

im saving that for when i buy the dlc

[atomic grove]

oh

[vapid oasis]

really i only booted the game up to peek at the japanese tree without the dlc

[tulip thorn]

Its not

Japan starts non aligned, and turns fascist the farther you go down the tree

[warm otter]

what should i play today

im bored

[heavy vigil]

you need to rush it down btw

[celest dirge]

Chat, am i cooked?

[warm otter]

no

join axis

japan help

[celest dirge]

we beat them...

they have white peace with all chinas

[warm otter]

gg

OH WAIT

I KNOW

tag chn

[celest dirge]

OHHHHHHHH, 500 pp i spent worked!

[warm otter]

i said

tag CHN

[bronze mango]

Blue Korea

[primal timber]

won the war and couldn't even take everything up to the rhone smh

[blazing belfry]

is this thousand week reich?

[primal timber]

yeah i had to go back a version because TNO was too loco for me

[blazing belfry]

thousand week reich has so much potential man I hope it gets massive updates

[primal timber]

wait wait wait belgium

oh

oh

[blazing belfry]

yeah GGs belgium

[honest glacier]

you wanna know where belgian chocolates come from

[blazing belfry]

planet earth

[eternal palm]

Oh god 💀

There's a tasteless joke here and I'm not gonna make it

[eternal palm]

Precisely.

[primal timber]

uh oh

[vagrant dagger]

the japanese just naval invaded their occupied territory that they already naval invaded from

truly innovation

[topaz knoll]

I hate Philippines achievements...

still have to wait 1500 days for submarines

[whole copper]

Quick question, guys. If my memory serves me right, there used to be an option to remove garrison. Now there isn't any.

What's up with that?

[icy crescent]

Occupation law "no garrison" is missing?

[pastel dew]

.

[stuck radish]

idk

$30 for.. what?

[icy crescent]

Don't buy, if you don't see value in it.

[stuck radish]

I didn't

[icy crescent]

Great.

[eternal palm]

Exactly. A few subdoctrines, a completely pointless faction mechanic and ass focus trees

You literally got the most value out of the free update

[icy crescent]

New historical Japan tree looks fancy, yeah.
And for free. Similar to Götterdämmerung.

[stuck radish]

Players,
I must raise my voice against this latest outrage committed by Paradox Interactive, a company that, through its endless pursuit of profit, acts more like a caricature of late-stage capitalism than even Marx himself could have imagined.
A new Hearts of Iron IV DLC… for THIRTY dollars.
Thirty! A sum so large it could feed an entire proletariat for a month! Yet Paradox demands it for a handful of focus trees and some recycled map textures!
This is not content; this is luxury digital bourgeois decadence.
While the working player struggles with outdated mechanics, broken AI, and the eternal suffering of supply reworks, the Paradox politburo announces: “Here, citizen, for only $30, you may enjoy the privilege of watching another minor nation get a slightly shinier portrait!”
Players, where is the planned economy when we need it? Where is the five-year plan for fixing naval combat? Where is the collectivization of DLC so that all players may enjoy equal access regardless of wallet size?
Instead, Paradox continues its policy of DLC inflationism, flooding the market with cosmetic packs, expansions, immersion packs, and focus-tree bundles, each priced like it was forged from the steel mills of Magnitogorsk.

DLC must be free! updates would be universal, and the only thing costing $30 would be the collective pride of successfully industrializing Albania.

Until that day comes, I stand firm in protest.
No more shall we accept these bourgeois prices!
Game updates for the people, not for profit!

Players of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your empty wallets!

[icy crescent]

This a copy paste?

[stuck radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-and-sickle-communist-socialist-communism-socialism-gif-23845659

[stuck radish]

I've everything

[eternal palm]

Ts AI 🥀

No way you wrote this within 5 minutes

[stuck radish]

.

I complain a lot

[spring relic]

pla free dlc 🙏

[stuck radish]

✌️

[eternal palm]

Oh OK so u pasted it from chatgpt into word

Woooow

[stuck radish]

I wish

[eternal palm]

Also the use of fat letters

[stuck radish]

are you serious?

are you dumb?

[eternal palm]

No need to insult buddy

I'm just saying

I got no proof im just yapping

[stuck radish]

you little capitalist pig!

[eternal palm]

💀

[stuck radish]

oh and btw

[eternal palm]

Dawg

It is not that deep

[icy crescent]

[stuck radish]

You can do it too btw

hello

[eternal palm]

🤣

[stuck radish]

hello

hello

hello

hello

[eternal palm]

Bro I know how this works

[stuck radish]

If you didn't know

[icy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-clam-grass-jump-gif-25956447

[stuck radish]

I don't think so

[eternal palm]

What's ur point

[stuck radish]

YOU'RE A NI- 🗣️🔥

[eternal palm]

Your bio has a spelling mistake

[icy crescent]

-# Please stop screaming. Y'all scary.

[eternal palm]

Smh

[stuck radish]

-CE PERSON 🗣️🔥

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-days-without-nonsense-gif-26130271

[stuck radish]

-# never!

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-fatass-bnuuy-bunny-bnuuy-rabbit-rabbit-whatever-gif-15720990188084548831

[stuck radish]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-mute-moderator-kys-gif-9595484708473415494

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[stuck radish]

https://tenor.com/view/alex-jones-jew-alexjonesjew-alex-jones-jew-alex-jones-jew-gif-8871961384248746007

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/2-blocked-messages-discord-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-meme-gif-4482802462778253475

[stuck radish]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-mind-me-gif-19609647

[icy crescent]

Line Artillery for Spanisch Civil War volunteers good.

[eternal palm]

Is that a question?

[icy crescent]

No, a statement.

[stuck radish]

it's an affermation!

[eternal palm]

Then ur wrong, unfortunately

[icy crescent]

More like opinion.

[eternal palm]

Affirmation*

[stuck radish]

idk english is not my first language

[eternal palm]

Still wrong. Unfortunately. Its not good.it just sucks less

[eternal palm]

Neither is it mine

[stuck radish]

where you from?

[eternal palm]

Your bio still has a spelling error

[eternal palm]

Look at my name

[icy crescent]

Sucks less than what?

[eternal palm]

Tip it's not delaware

[stuck radish]

which one?

[eternal palm]

Than arty before the update

[eternal palm]

It's spelled "revolutionary"

[stuck radish]

Ofc ur German

Du bist eine fotze!

[broken pier]

It's 1937 and I got this event.. lol???

[stuck radish]

what did I write?

[eternal palm]

Diggah fahr mal nen gang zurück

Musst net so fluchen

[icy crescent]

Played with the console again?

[stuck radish]

it's not fair, english is your secon language by nature or smth

[atomic grove]

i know

[broken pier]

I didn't touch the console

[stuck radish]

I touch you

[eternal palm]

Skill issue?

Dawg what is your problem 💀

[stuck radish]

skill issue is losing two world wars