hoi4-general

[trim pike]

They do?

[eternal palm]

That's what I heard don't quote me on that

[sage karma]

Kpop demon hunters, how to rebel korea

[heavy vigil]

per state

[slim nexus]

Hi yall

[sage karma]

Sup

[slim nexus]

How many hours does it take to become fluent at the game

Currently I have like ten hours and only learned to do national focuses, research and construct some stuff while producing I don't know how to combat and deploy troops and even manage supply lines yet

[sudden thistle]

A lot

[heavy vigil]

like what top percentile

[eternal palm]

Some as low as 100. Others as high as 1000.

Hard to say

Suffice to say you'll be at it for a while

[heavy vigil]

for micro and terrain memorization its usually 2K+

imo

but thats the only thing you can learn from just repetition

[eternal palm]

That's beyond the basics

[heavy vigil]

he said fluent

idk what he means by fluent

[eternal palm]

And that means?

Exactly

I'd say basics

[wicked haven]

it also depends how many hours you are arguing about definitions for

[heavy vigil]

meh hours dont matter for eco and macro

only for practicing micro

which is like not the main winning factor in wars

[slim nexus]

I just wanna learn the game and know where the buttons are and can play on my own

I guess for me 200 will do

I learned aoe2 and became fluent with basic controls by around 150 hours so yeah

[wicked haven]

check the help channel pinned for some basic resources

if you can use other templates until you understand the mechanics it will help you macro

[tender swift]

Depends if you play sp or mp 😆

[grand wolf]

Play as Poland trust

[slim nexus]

No u

[grand wolf]

Already am

[eternal palm]

Can't really compare

[slim nexus]

Ik hoi4 takes twice the time

[eternal palm]

🤷‍♂️

Does it?

[fickle island]

why no boost on the ground

[slim nexus]

Yeah it does so far I feel like

[distant knoll]

so peak

[slim nexus]

And yeah I'm also learning modding rn

[slim nexus]

Is this part of a dlc or smt

[distant knoll]

uh

huh

[grand wolf]

75 ac???

[hushed flicker]

75 CVs dang

[tepid crown]

Multiplayer 100, sp 1000+

[hushed flicker]

500 DDs and 400 subs what the hell happened

[tepid crown]

78 carriers. 💀

[split fulcrum]

is this efficient enough?

[distant knoll]

i forgot to put them in

and so did the other guy as it seems

[hushed flicker]

how you all got this many CVs and BBs

[sudden thistle]

Sir I think u left instant construction on

[hushed flicker]

what year is this

[distant knoll]

dont worry about that part

on my way to make an even bigger battle

[sudden thistle]

I have like 700 hours on mp yet forget everything 😭

[grand wolf]

How to bully Germany as poland

[trim pike]

Spam inf

Check #ask-for-help-here pins

[grand wolf]

What if I use cavalry

[sudden thistle]

Peak

[trim pike]

Sure ig u wont die

[grand wolf]

The cossack king

[wicked haven]

just make sure you forwards deploy all of your units and then fail to reenforce them

[grand wolf]

Nah ima use Soviet tactics with cavalry

20 million horses

[craggy trail]

🐴

[warm otter]

angetreten

[wicked haven]

No hoof back

[dapper orchid]

Hey are landmines good now?

Anything changed about them?

[trim pike]

What

[craggy trail]

Minelaying?

[trim pike]

They added landmines?

[craggy trail]

No

Only Sea Mines

[grand wolf]

What

[trim pike]

lmao

[wicked haven]

Stalingrad but with horses

Aren’t land mines included in support equipment

[craggy trail]

Stalliongrad 🐴

[wicked haven]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-usando-óculos-olhando-julgando-sério-judging-gif-1265955993997475896

[grand wolf]

What if I give all 20 million horses tank armor

[dapper orchid]

Sea mines excuse me

I'm a fish

[craggy trail]

For some yes, but they're more of a graphics detail for infantry equipment

[viscid coyote]

Do you guys have a server for eaw?

[craggy trail]

Yes. Should be in the workshop's description

[viscid coyote]

Oh ok

Can you invite me in dms tho

[grand wolf]

I need more horses to throw at the enemy

[viscid coyote]

I don’t have my computer rn sorry

[craggy trail]

I can send it to you then

[viscid coyote]

Yayyyy thanks

https://tenor.com/view/countryballs-memes-funny-cute-gif-gif-17382037359904570522

[dapper orchid]

But uhh yeah are sea mines good?

[viscid coyote]

Countryballs

[viscid coyote]

Idk

Maybe if you wanna hinder a naval invasion be my guest

[dapper orchid]

Informative answer

[craggy trail]

They're ok in securing partial naval dominance

But your fleet is primarily the one that will get you naval dominance in the first place

[rich sand]

are the effects from subdoctrine permanent? I'm wondering if i can keep the modifiers even if i switch

[craggy trail]

If you switch subdoctrines, you lose all progress of the subdoctrine you were previously using

[serene inlet]

anyone knows why in like 37 i lose all my steel as italy and it nukes my industry?

[rich sand]

so i don't get to keep the modifiers even if it's maxxed out?

[sudden thistle]

Because ur Italy

Poor sf

Poor af

[wicked haven]

what are you producing?

[craggy trail]

Correct. You will lose your milestone bonus

[sudden thistle]

But yeah if u make any boats ur steel will be gone

[rich sand]

oh okay, tysm

[craggy trail]

That's like a big peeve for me right now with changing subdoctrines

[wicked haven]

😄

[craggy trail]

Hopefully, you get to keep at least some mastery in the future

[wicked haven]

ngl people here hate on the updates a bit too much

[craggy trail]

Because it would make more sense that you get to keep your mastery of the subdoctrine and the milestone bonus if you got it the first time when you change to a different subdoctrine

[errant remnant]

Some1 should give my broke ahh the new dlc frfr

[craggy trail]

I kind of like the update, but not it's implementation

the new doctrine changes have some potential

Coal is pretty damaging for minors

The naval dominance system takes some getting used to

[sudden thistle]

0.0 hours on record

Win

[craggy trail]

This youtuber pretty much sums up what I think about the new DLC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_U24H6Y_Ro

[wicked haven]

I hate coal, I hate the change to micro and everything else is pretty nice

[grand wolf]

This game sucks

I hate germany

[craggy trail]

I did manage to get pretty far as fascist Switzerland until Vichy France took back its cores

[topaz dove]

I just realized that the whole Malaya is Malaya instead of Singapore now

Finally

[hazy hinge]

China is too goddamn weak

[grand wolf]

Use alot of men to stall the Japanese till 1941

[hazy hinge]

I'm talking about multiplayer

[grand wolf]

Ohhh

[hazy hinge]

like back then you could atleast keep Japan at bay for some time

now I just watch him line attack me to death in 3 months in 1937 with 16w arty support divison even without cas

[sudden thistle]

Yeah if it’s mp ur cooked

Unless u some god

[grand wolf]

You could always take the decision to stall it

[hazy hinge]

not about you being god

like Japan player have to be 10iq or smth

for you to hold

[sudden thistle]

Yeah it’s a horrible thing to play

Why did u even want to play it

[hazy hinge]

I did that at first now he dodges that with turning fascist and justfying

[hazy hinge]

idk I like playing China in multiplayers or lets say used to like

because it was hard

now it's straight out impossible

[grizzled yarrow]

my first succsesfull german game

[deft horizon]

Hello ! Anyone can tell me how to create faction theater ?

[sudden thistle]

@marsh ravine tell him what u did for China

[marsh ravine]

New dlc?

[sudden thistle]

Yes

[marsh ravine]

Hold wuhan line

Nanchang

[hazy hinge]

ik

supply hubs

I've been doing that for years now

when situation is dire

but he just naval invaded port beneath nanning

took it

and made a run to chongqing

and changsha

[sudden thistle]

And didn’t u give up that big city jon don

For collabs

[hazy hinge]

problem is not that

I KNEW he would be coming from there

and massed my everything there

built level 6 coastal fort

[sudden thistle]

I’m yet to play China at all so my advice will be shitty

[hazy hinge]

his marines clicked some 700 soft attack like that

[sudden thistle]

But China won’t be able to win

Just die slowly

[sudden thistle]

Yeah that’s normal

[fervent estuary]

Which communist China path is the easiest in the burn the paper tigers branch

[sudden thistle]

There is legit nothing u can do

[hazy hinge]

That's hat I'm saying, you don't die slowly you just get extinquished like a candle in months

[fervent estuary]

Mao or 28 1/2

[sudden thistle]

Maybe beg for guns from allies?

[hazy hinge]

didn't work, you cannot get enough guns no matter what

[nocturne cedar]

All the youtubers I find talking ant it are sponsored by paradox

[sudden thistle]

1 gun is a gun

[hazy hinge]

in waking the tiger you had a sizeable army at the beginning with atleast 50% strentgh being the lowest

now it's just max 15% strentgh and what's even worse is divisions are mostly 8 width

so basically 400k strong army at the beginning is smth like 50k

or even less

in practice

paradox rlly need to do smth

[sudden thistle]

Yeah u have like 47k guns needed

Have 13.7k

Missing around 33k

[grand wolf]

So many guns and no time to get the required amount

[split fulcrum]

alright gang

how is 20c hot

[ornate marlin]

just build forts behind river as china

ez gg

https://tenor.com/view/hochiminh-vietnam-vietnamwar-vietcong-gif-20180975

[hazy hinge]

Japan have fort buster generals

[grand wolf]

Because the British have never experienced real heat

[ornate marlin]

they are ineffective against the sigma chinese army

[hazy hinge]

combine it with some cas poof

[ornate marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/viet-cong-vietnam-flag-gif-4438280034944304436

[split fulcrum]

i am

playing as italy

theres no way italians consider 20c as very hot

[grand wolf]

Im going to blame the colonizing brits

[harsh olive]

can japan peace out with the allies after conqouring the pacific, or will you actually have to capitualte the uk and usa?

[dapper orchid]

I spend so much PP on this WHY IS IT ALL RED

[ornate path]

What's your favorite mod that also works with the latest version?

[split fulcrum]

how do i join the axis as italy?

down which path in the focus tree

is it this one?

[noble turtle]

It have could be fail

[grand wolf]

You'll get invited to the axis but I wouldn't join it

[noble turtle]

When it fail it back to red

[dapper orchid]

I did it countless times

[grand wolf]

Italy first is a much better option

[split fulcrum]

can i leave the axis

when germany starts losing

[noble turtle]

Yes, no matter how many times you did it still got chance to fail

[grand wolf]

Not while in the war

[dapper orchid]

What a wasteful decision

[grand wolf]

Also you can easily get Gibraltar and Malta if you have naval invasion orders before you join the war

Mix marines with mountaineers

[noble turtle]

Well, guess what if you did it and it success?

[dapper orchid]

Are you really telling me the 20+ times i did it it all resulted in failure every single time? Sometimes i saw one or two dots as green but they disappear

[noble turtle]

I did all of them once and when l declare war to other Chinese governments they just suddenly disappear

[noble turtle]

Yes, that happens

[grand wolf]

Are you using the Italian templates you start with or gain with focuses?

[dapper orchid]

Italian??

[noble turtle]

？

[dapper orchid]

Im playing Soviet China

[grand wolf]

Wait nvm

😭😭

[noble turtle]

I think only conmi Chinese got that

！

I fund an interesting mod

[fleet sable]

rip skibid san ma

:(

[bronze mango]

It is a formable nation still

[sonic sand]

skibidi sandwich is still a nation in my favourite video hearts of iron game

[cyan plaza]

When TFR 1.17 update for Paradox Mod Browser

[true needle]

how good are the bulgarian and greek focus tree's in Battle for the Bosporus?

its on sale right now so im thinking of buying it

[worn coral]

Guys

Do i just suck or is the Ethiopian war much harder?

Because i used to win it very easily

[tulip thorn]

its the exact same

[worn coral]

Then i am suffering from massive skill issue

[copper sluice]

whos stroking their tiger rn fr

[gusty oracle]

what could this possibly mean

[split fulcrum]

fellas

is it possible to recruit 500k troops

in 77 days

[sudden thistle]

Yes

Force deploy

[copper sluice]

no man can tame a tiger into a kitten by stroking it

[split fulcrum]

where does one find such a button

this one?

[grand wolf]

Why is Germany so weak

[bronze mango]

Is it?

[grand wolf]

Yeah im beating it with cavalry

[bronze mango]

Never underestimate horses

[grand wolf]

18 width cavalry with no support company

[noble turtle]

？

👍

[bronze mango]

Could be your doctrines or national spirits that help you

[grand wolf]

What?

[rose tartan]

Somebody know how the new faction mechanic work why does I lose influence as nationalist China just for being in the faction?

[noble turtle]

I can't imagine how did you do that, but good job, bro

[grand wolf]

Maybe because of the cossack king

[bronze mango]

Yeah bermontian Poland has super powerful cavalry, that is why

[sick viper]

iran isnt in asia?

[grand wolf]

Im also using mounted infantry

[sudden thistle]

Yes

[bronze mango]

Hoi4 counts the middle east as its own continent

[sick viper]

lame

[cyan plaza]

Mods became completely useless.
We want 1.17 compatibility.

[noble turtle]

Wait, what?

I don't know that before

[languid patrol]

middle east is its own continent in the game, u can remove that requiremnt in the fcation settings

[bronze mango]

Yes it does, that's also why it's own region in thr diplomatic tab

[cosmic pine]

Anyone know what Japan's Civic Faction represents?

[north tusk]

Um guys i think i finally understad navy

After 1.500 + hours in hoi4

Its been a long way

[icy wyvern]

anyone want to play mp with me and two othets

[crystal marsh]

the civilian government

[cosmic pine]

Gotcha

[warped flint]

bro what

that didnt even take 2 weeks

[rocky stump]

try to play higher difficulty than civilian

[crystal marsh]

peak portrait

[grand wolf]

Wasn't on civilian

[rocky stump]

which one

[rocky stump]

recruit?

[grand wolf]

Which ever one is the normal one

[rocky stump]

try to strengthen germany if its too easy for you

[craggy trail]

Somehow, the Germans found their way to New York with the current naval rework

[warped flint]

Do I get anymore content after this

no way this is it

[patent thistle]

"might" be a little OP (only china is left)

[storm pelican]

oh no, what will I do with my life now its oooveer

raaaciiist

[versed rapids]

lost the war to that

[storm pelican]

where did you get that from?

[oak charm]

Ironic

[north spoke]

sinkiang is lowk just chilling

[patent thistle]

dont think so

[north spoke]

sinkiang is highkey dead

[patent thistle]

might have been just elsewell the easiest world conquest i have ever done

they might need to nerf this

it just takes way too long-

guess its now time to fight on the side of humanity?

[viscid sundial]

Helloooo

[craggy trail]

Hello! Welcome!

[obsidian token]

hello i have a question

about the expansion pack

[snow rain]

what's it about ?

[obsidian token]

i dont know if im tripping or something but do i get the next expansion pack for free

i guess silence speaks louder then words

[craggy trail]

You get the the next DLCs that come with the expansion for free

[hasty echo]

are the non expansion dlcs worth?

[sudden thistle]

Yes

Very

[hasty echo]

which ones

[sudden thistle]

All of them

[obsidian token]

dont buy by blood alone

[sudden thistle]

What

It’s good

[obsidian token]

i mean not that good

[hasty echo]

i’ve to yet finish the first run

[obsidian token]

you just got the game?

[hasty echo]

Yeah

[obsidian token]

i mean if you want you could get that subscription thing to give you all dlcs for a month so you can see what dlcs you like

[north spoke]

dont buy any of the dlcs

just get the subscription

[hasty echo]

ok

[north spoke]

its overall a more economic option

[hasty echo]

how do you learn the game

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[obsidian token]

play like the easiest diffculty as germany

[sudden thistle]

Compared to others ofc

But the air designer is great

[north spoke]

this

the one that adds the intel agency or whatever is useless

[hasty echo]

these dlc are good enough?

[sudden thistle]

La resistance

[sudden thistle]

Just use steam for it

Half of those on that those are free

[hasty echo]

yeah i remember getting la resistance on steam but now its not there anymore

[north spoke]

it prob got added to the base game

[sudden thistle]

It didn’t

[daring geyser]

not just that, LAR actively nerfs you

[north spoke]

paradox does this shitty thing where they add dlcs to the base game and dont give you your money back

[acoustic marten]

anyone know howw to fix the fire rises immediately crashing when trying to start a game?

[daring geyser]

takes away the "boost party popularity" button

[sudden thistle]

On the bottom

[sudden thistle]

After them being out for years

[brittle wedge]

I cant imagine ever buying a grand strategy game. Its like paying a mortgage the way they cinstantly want you to buy updates

[sudden thistle]

This company is just really bad with it

[obsidian token]

im such a bot bro

[hasty echo]

i decided to pick this game up cause my chinese friend was like “how are you italian and have not played hoi4 yet?”

[daring geyser]

paradox's update policy is like thneedville o'hare trying to sell bottled air in the lorax 2012 movie

[daring geyser]

italy the nation where everyone plays hoi4

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[obsidian token]

is that a girls und panzers refrence

[hasty echo]

a what?

[oak charm]

Mussolini was literally playing the hoi4 tutorial

[daring geyser]

mussolini was a first time player

[north spoke]

then how did he lose

[oak charm]

That’s the point

He sucked

[north spoke]

oh good point

[hasty echo]

so what’s the goal of the game

[oak charm]

Italy sucks as a first time nation but I have to give props to paradox because it’s canonically accurate

[oak charm]

Conquer the world I guess

[north spoke]

world domination

[oak charm]

Or at least not capitulate before 1945

[hasty echo]

why?

[oak charm]

Because

[obsidian token]

beat countries and stuff

make your country big

[north spoke]

win ww2

[hasty echo]

is peace or diplomacy not an option?

[north spoke]

no

[oak charm]

It is but it’s boring

[hasty echo]

sry i only ever played civ

[obsidian token]

well you eventually have to go to war in all focus trees

[north spoke]

eu4 is the diplomacy gsme

[oak charm]

Yeah the game kinda railroads you into war somehow

[hasty echo]

Im not a war commander, how do you know you’re doing things right

[daring geyser]

no particular goal really

[oak charm]

Green bubbles

[daring geyser]

you kinda choose your goal, on sp

[obsidian token]

if the buble is green and close to 100

[north spoke]

civ greed

[dusky burrow]

Oh
I remember entering your server and then everyone just started bullying me

[hasty echo]

how long is one run

[oak charm]

Depends

[daring geyser]

😭

[obsidian token]

id say a year takes like 20 mins and it gets 15 percent slower each year

like 5 hours depending on what you want to do

[north spoke]

however long your pc can last

[hasty echo]

i don’t have the function keys and i can’t rebind them in game??

[oak charm]

Yeah the game does get laggier as you go

[hasty echo]

like factorio

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil plays games until 2018 ingame

[oak charm]

NASA supercomputer

[oak charm]

Yeah kinda

Also based factorio reference

[zinc rune]

why did the UK declare war on norway, i have historical on

[north spoke]

because you went ahistorical

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[slim nexus]

Hmm

[rocky stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/890311036127830017/1282731890658508890/hitler.gif

[north spoke]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1193239198300373133/1215347980572561548/attachment-7.gif

[wicked haven]

I really hate general grinding

[rocky stump]

who does this

[wicked haven]

Italy is such a stupid nation I am going to coup mussolini

[slim nexus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/914407123176263680/915459171107897404/image0-6.gif

[rocky stump]

https://tenor.com/view/mussolini-chad-gif-1828092016728334367

[grand wolf]

Why do I have collapsing cabinet when going historical as japan

[wicked haven]

me when I declare a formal war on England and France in 1940 like a stupid idiot

[grand wolf]

Wait nvm

[rocky stump]

italy is ahh

[wicked haven]

I really like getting a level 4 general ground out with 1 attack despite having bold attack

how excellent

[sudden thistle]

Just have fun

[wicked haven]

now I'm cooked since my spec ops leader is useless like the rest of the army except for the tank commander in a nation with 3 factories

[rocky stump]

https://tenor.com/view/gigant-nods-yes-yeah-agree-gif-17847333

[daring geyser]

how i look like trying to have fun in singleplayer in the new dlc and killing ai japan just as easily as always

[sudden thistle]

It was fun before

[slim nexus]

Idk just be urself, diving spots, random chests, treasure charts

[sudden thistle]

That’s why sheep exists

[daring geyser]

but sheepmod is still easy

😔

[wicked haven]

30s Italy was dependant on the UK for coal imports

[sudden thistle]

Try touching grass then

[wicked haven]

I am never playing this nation again

[rocky stump]

nepal

[daring geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1366246842328678463/1388335253533360220/togif.gif

[wicked haven]

at least nepal isn't attempting to invade the entire world with trotting divisions

[sudden thistle]

Why do the Swiss look funny

They seem more curvy

[daring geyser]

down bad for switzerland

[rocky stump]

https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-tails-knuckles-freaky-gif-12830799583270855342

I’m waiting for sheep to get updated so I can play it with my freinds

They did great

[daring geyser]

im waiting for the day hoi4 adds more USA content

[wicked haven]

US is too boring

[crystal marsh]

WOW HOLY SHIT

[rocky stump]

i hate naval

[versed rapids]

best combat width for offensive horses?

[crystal marsh]

macarthur auramaxxing

[wicked haven]

maybe they could give them a solid loadout for 1939 start so you can skip half of your build up

[daring geyser]

usa is boring because it's easy but every nation is like that once you get to a certain point

every nation is like that orrr they are absolutely ball cancer

example playing as tibet

[worn isle]

Japan was nerfed so hard nobody in my lobbies plays it anymore

we do 8 man games lmao

[crystal marsh]

honestly my favourite hoi nations are 2nd world ones

[daring geyser]

your lobby doesnt know anything then

[crystal marsh]

as in, not majors but also not 3rd world countries

[daring geyser]

japan was gigabuffed

[crystal marsh]

an example being brazil

[rocky stump]

finland

[wicked haven]

UK is prob actually quite fun now due to naval changes

[crystal marsh]

or poland

[versed rapids]

is this a good division?

[worn isle]

It was kaiserreiched, a bunch of stupid promts decide the fate

[crystal marsh]

heck even spain

[crystal marsh]

die

[rocky stump]

wth

[versed rapids]

y

[daring geyser]

then its KR

[devout trench]

was this made by the danish or something 😭

[daring geyser]

but vanilla jap is extremely broken now

just look at this

[versed rapids]

wh(ats wrong with it

[meager valley]

Wdym? +20% inf atk isn’t even that bad

[worn isle]

You have to go historical lmao, all the other paths are just pure raw meme

[daring geyser]

this is 1941 vanilla jap

[daring geyser]

broken as in good

[meager valley]

Sarcasm

[wicked haven]

base japan is possibly as good as germany now

[meager valley]

I was sarcastic

[worn isle]

It is literally just the same old focus tree with 3 new things on it when you go historical

[versed rapids]

wha(s wrong with the division

[crystal marsh]

u cant design templates

[devout trench]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135952228033757224/1244057359014428754/caption.gif?width=382&height=701

32 width

[crystal marsh]

oh so you werent trolling

hollup

[versed rapids]

i was told 32 width is good?

[daring geyser]

germany still gets bigger eco with the right collabs

[noble turtle]

Congratulations

[rocky stump]

32💀

[devout trench]

did chiang kai shek say that or smth

[daring geyser]

32w is good for mountaineers on hills tiles

[versed rapids]

MB

😭

[noble turtle]

no，36

[versed rapids]

I JUST REALIZED IT WAS FOR MOUNTAINNEERS

[devout trench]

16-18 width is BEST

[daring geyser]

32w is good for mountaineers in hills tiles and spain civil war

[rocky stump]

i like 20

[daring geyser]

both serve different purposes

[rocky stump]

on finland

[crystal marsh]

honestly, no, best keep it below 30, and then again it depends on what terrain you primarily fight in.

also, yeet motorised anti air, replace recon company with support anti air

[devout trench]

i push with max width calvary

[crystal marsh]

thats a bicycle division id go with

[devout trench]

genghis larp

[crystal marsh]

then again, bicycles are like elephants

good for the rp aspect

but otherwise suck

[lone sail]

Should I focus on light tanks as Japan

[crystal marsh]

just go infantry

[versed rapids]

these are bicycles for rough terrains (mountains etc)

[crystal marsh]

or trucks if you care so much about speed

[daring geyser]

30-36w is meta for attack, depending on which tile you want to fight in, 16w is meta for cycling

[versed rapids]

are truck that much better?

[devout trench]

any tank is gonna break through the chinese meat walls

[daring geyser]

most of the times there is no point in going any other width pretty much

[crystal marsh]

oh so theres a bicycle meta now?

[lone sail]

You’d be surprised

[crystal marsh]

fair

[daring geyser]

i mean CYCLING as in CYCLING Infantry

roaching infantry

[lone sail]

Can someone send me a good tank template for Japan? Something cheap

[daring geyser]

idk about bicycles but that div seems to have actually decent stats, probably because of some shi paradox added

[devout trench]

roach germany infantry

[daring geyser]

the hp isnt low, org isnt low, breakthrough isnt low

paradox made really stupid designs be viable now

like all militia designs

[craggy trail]

🦒

[rocky stump]

i need template guide

[versed rapids]

it's the doctrines

[daring geyser]

most likely

[versed rapids]

they allow you to lower the combat width

[devout trench]

i need to do another czech game with the new doctrines

[versed rapids]

how much width is best for an all round offensive infantry?

[daring geyser]

don't build offensive infantry

it sucks

do special forces

but 36w

[devout trench]

or use tanks

[versed rapids]

yeah of course

but i can't have an army full of special force

[daring geyser]

SFs are more ic efficient when you factor in air, and have giga stats, but tanks are oslid

[versed rapids]

also tanks are not really viable as japan

[daring geyser]

you can exploit the limit by converting 2ws to 40ws with equipment disabled

[devout trench]

special forces have division cap tho

[daring geyser]

then your limit skyrockets to basiclaly infinite

and after you change your convert template to SFs you can change them back to 2ws so they dont eat your manpower

[versed rapids]

that's just exploiting

[daring geyser]

if you dont like that exploit tho, just get branch specialism depending on your country

[versed rapids]

and will get fixed

[daring geyser]

i doubt so lol

it has been around since forever

ppl use it in mp all the time, in most competitive mp mods ppl just add in infinite special forces cap

[daring geyser]

to get 2 SFs doctrine

and spam a whole lot of infantry

and then you can still get a lot of SFs legitimately

[devout trench]

i just retreat tactically and encircle to push

[versed rapids]

so all i haev to do is spam mountaineers?

@daring geyser

[drowsy widget]

just saw this lmao

[urban escarp]

intermarium finally is winning

[daring geyser]

this but with super heavy howitzer instead of support arty for an all rounder

[brave oracle]

is the method of getting spymaster different now? the button doesn't show up

[daring geyser]

cba to get the stats demonstration in my current game but the second ss has the same div

[craggy trail]

🇨🇭

[daring geyser]

mountaineers do have better stats so if you dont plan on naval invading with them just do mountaineers

[craggy trail]

With NCNS, it's part of the factions sytem

[brave oracle]

i mean i got the mission for it but how do i achieve it?

[brave oracle]

ahh okay thanks

[craggy trail]

The coolest thing is that you can put a spymaster for free

[versed rapids]

looks very cursed to look up

[daring geyser]

@versed rapids

[craggy trail]

No political pwoer needed

[versed rapids]

alright

so how exactly do you go past the limit?

i didn't quite get it

[daring geyser]

make a template with more or similar manpower to your SF divisions

recruit them

and after you deploy

have like 200-300 2ws

and then convert the 2ws to a 40w template with equipment disabled

and convert the template with similar manpower to your sfs divisions

then convert the 40ws back into 2ws

[uneven needle]

Do you get free factories from the propaganda department decisions?

[daring geyser]

😴

[sudden thistle]

Rate the game guys

(It was mp)

[craggy trail]

@heavy vigil No way did this dismantle the Axis

[ivory hull]

is there still the scripted peace with japan as china once you kick them out?

[deep solstice]

I WAS ONE DAY AWAY FROM GETTING TRUE BLITZKRIEG

AND THESE STUPID FRENCH BASTARDS

HELD OUT

4 YEARS IN GAME

FOR THAT

[silent root]

I have 1.6k hours on hoi4 yet I don't know how to make a good CAS PLANE

someone help

[austere crypt]

oh no mister hitler please dont invade me

[dusky burrow]

should have built heavy tanks

but seriously, WHERE ARE THE GERMANS

[austere crypt]

true but usa is doing epic 1941 version of dday

(pls dont ask me I got no clue 😭 )

[versed rapids]

what do you mean equipemnt disabled?

[dusky burrow]

well you're on mainland europe so

[austere crypt]

yeah and it just made me recall how useless Il Duce is

rly misssed mussi

[daring geyser]

you can disable equipment for specific divisions so that they don't use guns

through the division designer

[austere crypt]

why would u

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328750138549731459/1425561171448303757/IMG_0262.gif

[daring geyser]

for the special forces glitch

[dusky burrow]

The special forces glitch doesn't require not using guns

But It's very useful for training exploits

[versed rapids]

they wo'nt train without equipment

[dusky burrow]

Also yeah they won't deploy without equipment

[austere crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-lemon-tongue-tongue-out-girflux-gif-22979322

[dusky burrow]

But they will train without equipment, just with less exp gain

[austere crypt]

oh no the soviet union is asking for air access

[daring geyser]

i didnt say deploy 2ws with no equipment

deploy 2ws then swap them to a 40w division that has no equipment enabled

[daring geyser]

it's better to do it with a 40w template which doesn't use guns

this way itll consume only manpower

in case you have to keep it on for a long period of time

for whatever reason

[dusky burrow]

Essentially you can do it while paused

Manpower is typically the limiting factor so it doesn't help that much

[daring geyser]

you don't need to have full manpower

just convert it overall

the second you convert youre gonna get the cap

[simple citrus]

guys help

[daring geyser]

no matter if strength is like 1%

[dusky burrow]

Which is why it doesn't matter

[simple citrus]

geniunely no idea what to do

[daring geyser]

if you keep the game running it's better to consume only manpower than to consume infantry equipment lol

and itll happen in mp because in mp you cant pause

[simple citrus]

and i'm in donau-adriabund too

[daring geyser]

in case youre not playing a mod which has infi cap

[simple citrus]

im terrified

help

i wanna uh

defend

something atleast

[lost widget]

normal hoi4 mp now a days @gaunt narwhal

1940 germany no mechanized

what the f is this design tommy kay ahh build

[daring geyser]

in which awful server do you play on that the germany player doesn't even know how to design tanks

[north spoke]

hoi4 mp is just a game of hoi4 but big brother is watching you and will vaporize you if you have fun

[daring geyser]

not the hc1 in 1940

[dawn mango]

tannu-luxembourg hyperwar

[dusky burrow]

it isn't even hc1

it's mc1

[lost widget]

this sadly my huy has 1k hours and tell me he lears from his mistakes

[daring geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dankus-memecus-dankus-esports-speed5-hoi4-gif-27705602

[gaunt narwhal]

People can't enjoy the game 😭

[austere crypt]

to make me spam this shit of a heavy tank division and put it into germanny affirm "yes" to claim

[sudden thistle]

Bro what

[wicked haven]

In September 1938 Democratic Holland takes over the Axis and triggers a war of annihilation with Tannu Tuva

[daring geyser]

enjoying the game == trolling then

i see

[dusky burrow]

You can't spam that out

[lost widget]

lmao

[gaunt narwhal]

?????????

[dusky burrow]

You still need 10 or 20% equipment

[grizzled yarrow]

late war with the soviets is brutal

[sudden thistle]

Public hoi4 mp

[dusky burrow]

It's always better to convert

[austere crypt]

uh mister I built 200 mils

[silent musk]

remetez ghostr planning

pour sowkorn

[daring geyser]

why do people still play fuwg

[silent musk]

bande de nazes de paradox

[gaunt charm]

damn the new doctrines are crazy, +10 org for tank division bassically

[lost widget]

bro had 30 width tanks and artillery

[sudden thistle]

I’m just in the server since I forgot to leave it

But no clue

[lost widget]

bro thinks hes tuff

[wicked haven]

I like the Idea that communist Germany kept the Prussian military around

[sudden thistle]

They prob just got their first game there and stuck with it

[gaunt charm]

is soft attack or org better for medium tanks?

[sudden thistle]

Like I only do 1 mp server at a time

[lost widget]

he calls it enjoying the game like can we ban incompetent germany

[daring geyser]

this is what henry meant when he mentioned the darkest pit of hell

[austere crypt]

guys why do my divs always end up so ass 😭

[silent musk]

@tawdry badge cc

[grizzled yarrow]

bro coal sucks im 1400 coal in debt

[austere crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/pgg-mine-coal-gif-25724867

[wicked haven]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-zoolander-macho-walk-miner-gif-3456157

[austere crypt]

yay 800 soft attack in designer

[simple citrus]

and the game crashed

[dusky burrow]

coal moment

[austere crypt]

bro u playing uk or wha 💀

[simple citrus]

geniunely

help

[austere crypt]

guys the game called my division I made french unreadable string

am I cooked

[dusky burrow]

did you put some non-ascii characters in there

[sudden thistle]

By blood alone and with death and dishonor we will use our arms against tyranny and play this shit

[austere crypt]

legit just this

division de chars lourds

[honest vale]

can someone gift me No Step Back UwU

https://tenor.com/view/boois-rags-cat-eyes-emoji-gif-7704442463942354243

[wicked haven]

No, step back.

[grizzled yarrow]

communist germany

[north spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/scary-job-application-kaiwashere-gif-1229406297668886656

[daring geyser]

i will have no compromise and no surrender to your body after that pun. you better not present la resistance.

[honest vale]

im too young

[north spoke]

I find myself with a lack of shits to provide to you

[honest vale]

this is such a good response im crine lmfao

[wicked haven]

Child labour!

Is child labour represented in hoi4?

[austere crypt]

yea

its half the playerbase afterall

https://tenor.com/view/swine-funny-bubbles-pig-gif-27319526

[charred lake]

nominate Cheese Rolling as game of the year lmao 🥀

[sudden thistle]

I guess I shall man the guns and prepare to take no step back

[austere crypt]

yay finally got 2k defense on a default full infantry div

hm 1:12 ratio of losses

[grand wolf]

After 3 attempts I have beaten all of china in 1937

[lost widget]

"play the game for fun" a quote some random guy said once

[worldly spruce]

how does this template look like?

[lost widget]

interesting

36 width and add more tanks and remove at you dont need an anti tank in your tank div like hello assuring the kill??

add logi support and armor support tanks you research it in you facility

[ionic ginkgo]

reversed schlieffen germany

[grand wolf]

There is no fun

[viscid oxide]

Help how do i fix this on my planes

[gaunt narwhal]

Amazing peace deal

[ionic ginkgo]

over 90 divisions encircled

[lost widget]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217154800337031231/1219382556676456580/54745FFD-D0AF-4B1C-99C5-3A7BA61A575E.gif

[ionic ginkgo]

fast light tank go brrrr

[dusky burrow]

what dlcs do you have

you might want to get better support companies

[zinc rune]

[ionic ginkgo]

war over in less than 2 months

[dusky burrow]

that's a lot of planes

you probably have to delete some air wings tbh

[zinc rune]

maybe

thats what they get for declaring war on me

[copper sluice]

what is going on

[quiet vessel]

tried to naval invade panama as mexico. my ships made 247 of the 250 naval dominance

i hate the new naval update

[ionic ginkgo]

true french blitzkrieg lasted 2 months, we'll be home by christmas!!!!!!

[dusky burrow]

What's their democratic and fascist support looking like

[dusky burrow]

Nice

[ionic ginkgo]

berlin has fallen, Maurice Thorez, the son of the people has triumphed!!!! All glory to the Secretary General!!!!!

[brisk marsh]

guys i suck at this game 100h 500h whatching videos/tutorials and i am very bad can someone help me tomorrow?

[sage plover]

ello

i want to give my french land to my puppet vichy france

free france doesnt exist. but it wont let me return the land to vichy, only release it as free france

[ionic ginkgo]

a new red dawn for Europe! Maurice Thorez will break the chains of the proletarians of all world!

[grand wolf]

This template will help you win

[brisk marsh]

wow

[sage plover]

thhat hurts me

that hurts my soul

[brisk marsh]

very helpful

[distant knoll]

Literally eu5

[grand wolf]

😂

[surreal mist]

why is the soft attack so low

[grand wolf]

Id add more artillery but I cant

[surreal mist]

how is that only 500 soft

[grand wolf]

Basic artillery

[sage plover]

super heavy artillery

fr slacking

[grand wolf]

I dont have that

[daring geyser]

i have one division that for whatever reason is a muslim man

[grand wolf]

How dare they defile MacArthur's face like that

[sage plover]

ibn battuta goes mad

[grand wolf]

Does fascism or communism offer more manpower opportunities

MLGA

[ionic ginkgo]

wien has fallen! the last remnant of the Kaiserreich has bowed to the glorious french proletarian commune!

[distant knoll]

Remnants, Have**

[grand wolf]

How to make Luxembourg big

[ionic ginkgo]

remnant is singural...

[silk fern]

annex all

[distant knoll]

Yes and it shouldn’t be in this context

[grand wolf]

But I dont got a single man in the army

[silk fern]

get more man in army

[grand wolf]

But the population is so small

[ionic ginkgo]

austrian empire = last remnant of the kaiserreich

[silk fern]

Get more population

[dapper orchid]

Do you get the option to do a border war again if you fail it once?

[grand wolf]

I need an army that can kill Belgium and the Netherlands first

[ionic ginkgo]

the austrian empire is one and singular intended as the last remnant, it is very subjective but i understand your pov when you corrected me

[distant knoll]

Austrian empire is not only one thing, it has many forces within it hence, it would be the last remnants of the Kaiserreich

[silk fern]

Paratrooper into big Dutch cities to cap them immediately, deal with Belgium later

[grand wolf]

Okay okay

Ill try

[sage plover]

damn, why is this achievement so rare

its basically just some small islands and parts of africa

[grand wolf]

Ykw lemme pause my Luxembourg game and go do that as the german empire

[sage plover]

germany feels like the default hoi4 game

you would of thought atleast 1% of ppl would retake the colonys

all they gotta do is fight portugal and the allies </3

[grand wolf]

No you can do it diplomatically

[sage plover]

that too

most ppl play the facist path tho. i am rn, so that was the frame i was thinking in

italy is such a good ally before i betray them <3

[grand wolf]

I enjoy the communist and monarch paths more than the historical

[river gull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807809192537882647/1380846657582661682/wigglin_it_rn_care_to_join.gif

[grand wolf]

Italy is not a good ally

[sage plover]

i do love the monarchist path

[sage plover]

everytime i play facist germany. italy kicks arse in africa

[grand wolf]

If only willy didn't die so soon

[grand wolf]

My italy gets demolished💀

[sage plover]

and draws a ton of allied troops away from the british mainland

[sage plover]

i dont have to help my italy at all

[ionic ginkgo]

a new dawn for the german people

[sage plover]

i take out france, invite em to the war. they kick arse in africa while i land in UK

[grand wolf]

Why are your italys competent

[sage plover]

my italy took all of egypt and the middle east when i landed in the UK in 1940

[distant knoll]

RAHHHHH

[sage plover]

idk, mussolini just likes me ig </3

even tho i only ever invite italy, so they can distract allied troops in africa

as soon as ive ended france and the UK, i go after em </3

italy is not going greater lads

[grand wolf]

Lol

[sage plover]

i like doing as many reichkomesariets as possible

bit sad how you cant do one for italy and france tho

[rich sand]

bad day to be a russian

[grand wolf]

Ima do what im best at and end the german civil war in a week

[grand wolf]

Fr that'd be cool to have the option to do

[sage plover]

like, why does bloody britain have one but france and italy dont

id KINDA understand it cuz britian is very technically germanic

[patent thistle]

made these for historical reasons (portugal)

[grand wolf]

Reichkomersariet white flag and Reichkomersariet incompetent

[sage plover]

oi, dont you diss my musolini like that :(

your musolini may be bad, but mine is great

[grand wolf]

LMAO

The pope path is better

[patent thistle]

he isnt even being incorrect here

he has every right to say that

[sage plover]

you dont know the context of the convo

read back abit and you'll see

[grand wolf]

Nah his italy can win battles unlike the rest of the italys

[patent thistle]

i was talking about this bit here not about the entire convo

[sage plover]

mussolini for me isnt incompetent

for some reason the mussolini when i play is actually really good </3

[patent thistle]

ye i would see this in general to mussolini

[sage plover]

like, when im playing germany. mussolini takes out egypt and the middle east for me without help

for some reason

[patent thistle]

my mussolini sometimes manages to lose against f***ing ethiopia on historical- 💀

and for reichskommisariat white flag, france sometimes litterally had the maginot completly unguarded-

[patent thistle]

.

[sage plover]

i think your ai is bugged </3

france not even on the magino, is wild

[patent thistle]

that usually happends when the french get involved in spain

[sage plover]

"the independence of finland is garantueed by germany"
me, germany about to challange their independence

this is me so far

i do have australia, indonesia, that lot

boutta go end the japaneese

[grand wolf]

Ez civil war

[austere crypt]

france bordermaxxing

[sage plover]

</3

[dapper orchid]

How am i supposed to win this

Can't call in the Soviets

[grand wolf]

With the power of communism

[dapper orchid]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1192098432291176488/1205036445920665600/caption-8.gif

Me rn

[grand wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-joseph-stalin-who-is-this-mf-get-out-get-outta-here-bruh-gif-17648615905493260683

[dapper orchid]

Stalin when i ask him to declare war on the United Chinese Front while he's at war with the Allies for the past 5 years for some reason

[grand wolf]

Average hoi4 game

[still loom]

I defeat allies myself, let Stalin eat UCF himself and then I eat Stalin myself

[dapper orchid]

Was Stalin yummy

[still loom]

Then I conquer the remaining countries and call it a successful world conquest

[still loom]

Hell no he almost pushed me back

I underestimated him once

I had like 100k 1950 jet and he had around 70-80k fighters

He ran out of fighters, thus giving me the air superiority. Then I just rushed to Moscow and defeated him. It was painful though

[grand wolf]

I love not having an economy

[sage plover]

im inlove w tanks oml

[still loom]

Like, 21%? Come on bro surrender already

Having no LaR is pain

Those collab govs are so good

Increasing the percentage of capitulation

[grand wolf]

The Netherlands just told me I cant have willy back😕

[still loom]

I spent 34 hours on that conquest. Finally done it

One of the most annoying parts was getting to Brazil. Those weird terrains are annoying

[sage plover]

reichskomisariat britain is carrying rn oml

i got 1k factories on war eco

only reason i can keep em is cuz british coal

[grand wolf]

Germany will have the greatest navy by 2025

[ionic ginkgo]

the reactionary stronghold has fallen

[dense bronze]

How is the AI pushing you with like 10 divisions per tile? on chinese terrain with no infrastructure?

[dapper orchid]

China spam

Not even the forts i have work

But sitting in Fortress China isn't gonna work since...well its China, you're not grind anyone's manpower out

[snow mulch]

Is the AI just absolute garbage rn? Like prolly not even worth a playthrough before the patch fixes come?

[austere crypt]

wait why is my save game button greyed out

[dense bronze]

Well I guess you gotta do a reverse Taiwan... Maoism in one country Island it is

[dapper orchid]

Thing is i could barely trade resources with anyone so even if i had tons of mils from beating Japan, i couldnt even use them

[stone sigil]

its crazy now that i realize im so bad that even with copying a guys tutorial i cannot win against france i know i know frew the maginot lign but still and its even red on italian front xdddd

i have 600hr in game but i cannot play any other way then historical xddd when i try i end up losing

[restive estuary]

Should i hop back on hoi4 or wait another week for all mods to update

[stone sigil]

however you want bro i guess

[dense bronze]

A Vanilla game with some flavour mods can't hurt can it?

[restive estuary]

Gimme some flavor mods for vanilla i dont rlly got any

Unless i do and i dont know

[dense bronze]

what country you wanna play

[dusky burrow]

You can try to grind their industry away, but yeah you pretty much have to wait for the Comintern in this situation

[wicked haven]

Ai china is so weak now

[dapper orchid]

Grind their industry away?

[wicked haven]

I normally send infantry to train there but they lose the entire north immediately now

[fading elk]

First time as Spartacus Germany been pretty fun

I know I’m kinda late but I just got NSB and Gotterdamrung

[restive estuary]

Probaly as france

Idk

[dusky burrow]

blessed europe

now go kill the soviets

[fading elk]

Belgium and Albania joined and Denmark+bulgaria are currently in civil wars

Time to spread the revolution to itlay

And then

The world

https://tenor.com/view/space-corrupt-gif-18292121423555793504

[dusky burrow]

and then the maginot

[fading elk]

Don’t worry we got Belgium

Also the Swiss I guess?

[dense bronze]

Some good all around mods:
TNO Map mod
VSEE
Better mechanics special projects and medals
player lead conferences
modifier icons
more division icons
fixed vehicle models mods

Obvious you can tryout road to 56 focus trees, some are not that bad, tho tbf I haven't played france a lot, since for me the game with them usually ends by 42 at most

[fading elk]

Taking out the last bastion of facism in Europe is my fired goal

Also itlay

Itlay has alot of divs but it’s itlay

Also I built several v-3s

[dusky burrow]

they're like 4-widths

[dusky burrow]

like the multi-charge cannon?

[fading elk]

Yep 3 of them

[heavy vigil]

woah

[fading elk]

The wunderwaffen shall lead me to victory

[heavy vigil]

early

[dusky burrow]

they're meh tbh, but now with the coal mechanic you have a lot of spare construction ic late game

[fading elk]

Yes I am going to built land crusiers

[daring geyser]

for how long have you been sleeping holy

[restive estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-this-guy-bless-this-guy-hammers-presents-lebron-james-gif-695423482491168562

[fading elk]

Also I am tempted to integrate my puppets

But I don’t get cores

[heavy vigil]

a few hours

[fading elk]

Also Poland invaded my Lithuanian puppet so ya

We ate them

[dusky burrow]

nommy nommy nom

[lusty river]

nerf mengjiang?

please

too op

[cedar frigate]

guys

when is man the guns comming out?

[wanton whale]

0% World Tension in 1941

[patent thistle]

who knows the historical importance here? (portugal, specifically the class names)

[slim nexus]

😭

[patent thistle]

its ships that were offered to portugal by the US in 1921.

[icy crescent]

Everybody gangsta until the KMB Lëtzebuerg sets sail.

[ashen ingot]

Look at this beautiful encirclement

[icy crescent]

These are Brazilian ships.
Portugal shouldn't have them, if I can believe Wikipedia.
And Wikipedia became pretty good over the last few years.

[oak mantle]

Great war redux is a top 3 mod on hoi4

Prove me wrong

[umbral agate]

what does this do

[buoyant fractal]

fair fight

[dim hazel]

how do i do d-day do i just spam navy and troops

[tiny osprey]

anyone else find the new navy makes the game map look kinda ugly?

like idk the bright blue looks rly weird next to the ocean blue and land colors

is there a setting to change it back to the old version?

[pseudo saddle]

the new navy system is awful

I hate the new bright blue and the navy dominance system makes naval invasions absolutely horrible to use and difficult to pull off

Mate legit couldnt navy invade portugal because Britain who we didnt have a war with had more dominance of the 0 required??

As a long time navy player the new naval dominance system is absolutely horrible and punishing, due to the need to patrol and strike force its basically impossible to secure sea zones and anyone with a bigger navy than you can control more zones more efficiently and instantly kill your fleet

[remote quarry]

red looks worse

[cerulean orchid]

its js confusing as shit

it was fine the way it was