hoi4-general

[vague abyss]

theres no carrier limits anymore

lmao

[sudden thistle]

20 carriers in a battle

Ez win

[vague abyss]

fr

though planes can't go up at night rip

[left skiff]

yeah, I lost many puppets as china, they changed into puppets from another nation, cause he had a focus tree.

That´s the biggest problem in Hoi4 in my opinion.

A focus tree is "higher" than everything else.
Puppets can leave you, when another nation has a focus tree to ask him for a new faction or something else.

[honest night]

@dire trellis

[warm otter]

what the hell

[sudden thistle]

5k aircraft

[warm otter]

how did the UK not naval invade you

[grizzled yarrow]

I naval i vaded it first

[honest night]

Carriers op now XD

[grizzled yarrow]

I took france early on took its navy and crushed uk

[warm otter]

spec ops cap too low

[grizzled yarrow]

(i just used paratroopers)

[jade hearth]

they weren't an american puppet. they were just free and in their faction

[sudden thistle]

Always have been

[warm otter]

no German intervention?

[grizzled yarrow]

Lit 2w paratroopers with tip of the spear

[honest night]

They were pretty good before but weather conditions kinda hurt them badly

[warm otter]

escort planes?

[grizzled yarrow]

Nope cuz

1937

[left skiff]

Yeah, I know..
Just telling you, that puppets can leave you, attacking you, if they have a focus.
problem for many years now.
I only use puppets with an empty focus tree.

[dire trellis]

Whats the best doctrine btw?

[honest night]

Not to sure yet tbh out of the grand doctrines I think gbp is still very solid

[weary whale]

guys whats the new update

[honest night]

For naval or air doctrine I’m completely unsure good thing to look for in naval doctrine tho is surface visibility less surface visibility = better doctrine

[warm otter]

I throw 10 different divisions at the border to occupy France with a coup in the way

[jade hearth]

there is no focus for them to leave me, just checked

[warm otter]

this didn't work

[grizzled yarrow]

How i feel rn:

[left skiff]

for example, I lost xibei as puppet to manchukuo, changed to his puppet few weeks ago.
He was nearly too annex for me.

Same with nations in europe.
Had puppets, another nation started a focus tree to create a new faction with my puppet.

My puppet said "yes" -> left me, get free and had a new faction.

[warm otter]

now invade the north

[weary whale]

i hope you have the most wonderfull life, thanks for this picture

[grizzled yarrow]

WAIT NO THATS MINE

[weary whale]

too late

[grizzled yarrow]

Il finna main china just bc its blue

[paper echo]

peak borders

and peak manpower

[wicked haven]

you should be able to prevent it

[paper echo]

does japan have the option so surrender or what

[wicked haven]

like with the german hindenburg event

[paper echo]

cuz i went into a peace deal without them losing a lot of states

[vague abyss]

u can

[wicked haven]

oh nice

[uncut carbon]

NO COMPROMISE NO SURRENDER BRO

[wicked haven]

I have never played Japan ngl

since I don't like naval

[paper echo]

yeah

what about it

[uncut carbon]

ya dont compromise

dont surrender

[weary whale]

guys all i play is the normal game without mods, what mods do i get, im terrible at the game and i only got it 2 months ago and all i do is fail so i think a mod can help idk, can someone reccomend me some good ones

[paper echo]

i guess japan skipped the no surrender thing

[wicked haven]

I wish Tukhachevsky could lead Russia

[paper echo]

you could watch bittersteel's guides

[weary whale]

okay

appreciate it

[wicked haven]

adolf hitler as a general mod

stalin as a general mod

Roosevelt as a general mod

[paper echo]

if you want to play good mods kaiserredux is a good choice

[weary whale]

okay sure ill look into it

ill first learn the game

[paper echo]

welp they added the allied occupation of japan flag

[lofty echo]

is it just me or did the new update ruin the game for new usa players?
you MUST choose comminusim of facisem and you cant progress well otherwise or avoid a civil war

[frank igloo]

the new coal mechanic is awesome

[lofty echo]

i thought the factroies ran on oil

[frank igloo]

no

they are coal powered

[lofty echo]

why cant they run on oil
its a good source

[lofty echo]

but i agree its pretty cool

[sonic sand]

beer

[weary whale]

guys what is the new update

[magic mantle]

yeah, no im leaving the game, im not pushing to sinkiang just to win china when im 3 tiles from chongqing (thx paradox for collab rework💀 )

[dapper orchid]

My Kaiserreich Left-KMT bro how could you do this

[fierce galleon]

Which stage of game is it?

[honest glacier]

i dont understand the prerequisites

[uncut carbon]

so if there is another china or theres a puppet of someone then it cannot be done

or chinese ors omething

#navychat

[snow rain]

just ask them, if anyone's able to respond they will

[paper echo]

thats cool

[dawn mango]

is this ai

[slim nexus]

Very cool when u get invaded someday again and they take one uf islands again and u lose instantly

[paper echo]

after the peace conference it gets removed

[pearl stirrup]

yall i need help

how do i go to war with china as japan?

[solemn hinge]

does anyone know if its possible to play as trhe reformed government of china in ironman mode

[uncut carbon]

RUSKA NO

[tribal holly]

Its so dumb, paradox could have made new buildings, coal plants, oil plants and in late game nuclear reactors to give energy, but no its just coal, how stupid is that

[terse quail]

How do you guys like the naval changes

[copper cobalt]

A nice buffer zone

[terse quail]

are at least those good?

[uncut carbon]

imo remove coal too

i dont want economy in my war game

[tribal holly]

But i guess coal is by itself energy

[uncut carbon]

if i wanted economy game id play vic or eu

[tribal holly]

Nah like that shit is good

[uncut carbon]

imo no

[tribal holly]

Just executed badly

I mean for hoi it could be out of place

[paper echo]

i swear bro if my factory efficiency gets lower cuz of coal AGAIN im gonna lose it

[pearl stirrup]

how do i go to war with china as japan?

[tribal holly]

As its way too short for economy

[crystal sandal]

how is there still no way to see dams on the map paradox fix your slop game

[uncut carbon]

only thing i like about it is that it kinda softcaps the limit on factories

[tribal holly]

That's the decent idea

[uncut carbon]

so ur not fighting a germany with 600000 factories set on fighters

[tribal holly]

But rn the new dlc is so bleak

[uncut carbon]

it sucks

[tribal holly]

Even japanese China focus tree is old China focus tree

[paper echo]

anyone noticed that on air map mode the strategic region names appear once you hover your mouse on them now?

[tribal holly]

Like 1 to 1

[crystal sandal]

yeah, i left a negative review

[tribal holly]

With added branch

[magic mantle]

chat, we lost its jover the autocrats of Sweden has won again

[tribal holly]

Ya know what

Its even more bleak

Bloody tanu tuva bug

In a dlc with nothing for tanu tuva

[slim nexus]

Kaiserredux tannu tuva,in MY. VAKOLN VANILLA!?

[azure tangle]

They couldn’t capitalize Japanese in the new dlc makes ts feel like some shitty mod

[uncut carbon]

bro they never remove typos

the sultana is still called sultanta

[tribal holly]

Its so over paradox bros

[uncut carbon]

paraover?

[tribal holly]

So true

And no discount for people who bought WTT

[bronze mango]

Literally unplayable

[tribal holly]

For a whopin 30 bucks

[uncut carbon]

i love money

[rigid surge]

Тем временем я спиративший за 3 минуты после выхода дополнения.

[wide mantle]

BROO IT RANDOMLY WHITE PEACED ME FROM THE WAR WITH PERU

I ATTACKED PERU AS BRAZIL AND THEN IT RANDOMLY WHITE PEACED ME

[fickle lark]

why'd they revamp navy?

[uncut carbon]

ruska brother dont do it they'll ban u for speaking ur mother tongue

dont do itr

[uncut carbon]

so they can justify 30 dollars

or something

[fickle lark]

bruh

Put it back dude i dont wanna re learn navy

The hud looks so shit

[uncut carbon]

i agree

[fickle lark]

gg

[tribal holly]

не говори так открыто, можешь получить бан

[rigid surge]

Anyway they'll ban me for Jack Sparrow stuff.

[tribal holly]

Right

[weary whale]

has anyone tooken over the world with latvia

[tribal holly]

I Had a hard time figuring how to get dominance

Apparently its per one tile only

[fickle lark]

Dude navy was so good before update and i knew what i was doing

Now idk Wtf i have to do

[tribal holly]

Supply ships and headquarters are great actually

[fickle lark]

why do i need a 66% ratio do gain naval dominance

[rigid surge]

We need 3% more, right?

[tribal holly]

It used to be 50%

[fickle lark]

It makes no sense to up the naval dominance percentage required when it was already balanced

[tribal holly]

What about field marshal planning

Isnthag gone?

[fickle lark]

now it just makes it harder to get dominance

I like the new doctirne stuff tho kinda

50/50

[tribal holly]

I like it

Its good

[fickle lark]

it is but the navy revamp just ruined it for me

[mighty basalt]

no regrets

[fickle lark]

13 Acheivments🥀 💔

why does no one play vanila man

[whole copper]

Quick question, guys. Does air defense on a plane reduces divisional AA damage on it or is it agility?

[uncut carbon]

i have like 80%

atleast i used to

probs 75 now

o nvm i had 90% and now dropped like 5% of rosmething

[tribal holly]

?

[tribal holly]

Its agility

Air defense reduces damage done by other planes

[whole copper]

Thanks

[fickle lark]

i have to re learn navy

i wanna die

[tribal holly]

Its so bleak

[honest glacier]

how do i get coal

[shrewd inlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300716253287284747/1414742615856779404/IMG_6506.gif

[shrewd inlet]

resource

[mighty basalt]

kill a dinosaur and bury it for a thousand years

[uncut carbon]

thousand isnt nearly enough

[trim pike]

None

Plane stats are not a factor to how many get shot by div aa

[whole copper]

so it wont matter if I put non strategic material usage on my CAS because enemy aa will shoot it down regardless?

Thanks for answering btw

[uncut carbon]

np

[hollow narwhal]

when this pops up

[remote quarry]

no stat on a plane has anything to do with divisional AA damage

[crystal marsh]

shredding em mericans

[hollow narwhal]

this started at 200 soft attack lmao

[crystal marsh]

🗣️

[limber arrow]

Chat is it possible to win as the north eastern army?

[hollow narwhal]

oh wait 💀

[remote quarry]

it kills a fixed random percentage of your plane

[zinc rune]

why is japan ruled by some random guy??

[limber arrow]

Its the prime minister

[uncut carbon]

cuz the emperor doesnt actually rule the country

[remote quarry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keisuke_Okada

[uncut carbon]

in the history of japan the emperor hasnt ruled much at all

[limber arrow]

Japan was'nt all in control by the Emperor

[honest vale]

hey guy

s

how long is the sale lasting for?

[uncut carbon]

should say on steam

4 december

[hollow narwhal]

its fine~

[honest vale]

thats pretty peak ngl

[honest glacier]

i hate this stressa front

[honest vale]

i might be able to save up for 2 dlcs if im lucky

[uncut carbon]

best of luck

[fickle lark]

released a small patch and no option to use the old navy hud 💔

[hollow narwhal]

just get the subscription

[honest vale]

no thanks

[trim pike]

It matters because enemy fighters might shoot u down easier

If ur sure ull encounter little enemy fighters then yea its good

[whole copper]

forgot to add this point: "Given I ensure green air"

[honest glacier]

you can get it for free 👀

[uncut carbon]

@toxic cypress outdated ahh review

[rich sand]

is it a good idea to put high velocity cannons on my medium tanks? they are expensive to produce but I'm wondering if it's worth it

[honest vale]

i shall not condone this act of sailing the seas

[zinc rune]

its so sad to see hirohito without double chin 💔

[hollow narwhal]

lool

1 agility 🤣

[oak mantle]

He was bullied into getting a diet

[honest glacier]

i mean 30 dollars for a dlc

kinda bonkers you know

[uncut carbon]

pdx has lost their mind ngl

30 bucks is a lot

[obsidian bloom]

i might be slightly cooked

[oak mantle]

He took some lessons from mussolini as well on how to scare your photographers into getting your good angle

[uncut carbon]

i can buy like 2 decent games for that price

[hollow narwhal]

or already included in the 3 month subscription which costs half that of 1 dlc which is on sale

[rigid surge]

https://youtu.be/HaPmy9UIIwc?list=RDHaPmy9UIIwc

Just do stuff.

[honest vale]

im not getting the new one yet + i support this dev company cause they are sigma

[honest glacier]

first time hearing someone say that paradox is sigma

[rigid surge]

paradox is sigma

ligma.

[candid pecan]

how

[oak mantle]

Theyre sigma at getting money from us

[slim nexus]

somehow

[hollow narwhal]

capitalism:

[rigid surge]

caribeans exists: 🏴‍☠️
players:

[honest glacier]

you know how many h games i can buy with that 30 dollars

[rigid surge]

Mister Furry 2

all DLCs

[plush jasper]

is it intended that you can just drag the usa into a war with the uk as the philippines with thje military emergency secret path thingy?

lmao

[mighty basalt]

lmao

[lethal valve]

what changed at naval

[lofty echo]

(im new)
I love how i fainally find the countrie i want to play
then it gets hella nerfed or something
i was usa 1938 uk invaded me (im in historical ai focuses)

[lethal valve]

i dont see anything

[candid pecan]

how do i make them accept

or at least a higher chance

[gaunt thorn]

why do i have nothing

[hollow narwhal]

yay first my china capitulation post dlc release

[gaunt thorn]

i have advisors btw

[lofty echo]

can i lower my game version ?
i was playing usa first time after never winning as germany
then they updated the game and america became less fun

[sage plover]

ay lads, quick question. if i get expansion pass 2, do i get everything? no compromise no surrender, thunder at our gates, ect

im just checking, cuz im confused about what the nitty gritty differences are

[paper echo]

peak

[sudden thistle]

Yes

[sage plover]

also can you please just, expain the differences rq

i thought the main DLC was no compromise, no surrender

whats all the other stuff

theatre packs, focus paths

first time being an active player when a new big content pack comes out

[north spoke]

I don't think it's released yet

[zinc rune]

the dream has come true, i have formed qing (dynasty)

[green root]

im subscribed to the thing that gives me all the dlcs however i dont have the newest one, anyone got any ideas why or is it just not included in it or what im very confused?

[bronze violet]

is it normal that my naval tech tree just shows aircraft carrier and submarine trees?

[zinc rune]

NO WAY

FORMOSA????

I LOVE THIS DLC

THANK YOU DEVS

[scenic coral]

WHO IS THIS MAN??

[sage plover]

wait, i cant load my old saves anymore?

[patent thistle]

average bulgaria being beaten up moment

[sage plover]

D:

[true needle]

how would I fight france and the UK with fascist belgium?

ive been trying 20w mountaineers with armor meme SPGs as belgium does get a lot of bonuses for mountaineers but I can only make like 3 or 4 of them before I either run out of resources for tanks or manpower

[rigid surge]

"General".

[patent thistle]

austria be slowly collapsing

[remote quarry]

mass mob

or ok now it's sfp

once you take benelux you have infinite industry

just make stuff and win

make air so you can kill uk

[zinc light]

https://tenor.com/view/san-blurred-gif-14256087

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-what-is-this-i-cant-see-little-eyes-blurred-vision-gif-15659043

[acoustic moss]

how am i supposed to get naval dominance

[copper sluice]

how do I get switzerland to accept annexation as austria?

[hollow narwhal]

u need to have patrolling ships and strike force and u slowly get it

havent fought a naval power yet lool

[acoustic moss]

ohh ok

[rigid surge]

Guys -0.3 width on infantry is goat. So ez to do 9 inf + 1 tank = 17.3

[rocky sedge]

Is it just me or is steam really slow today

[true needle]

france just shoves 4 infantry and 1 tank division per tile so I cant push them

[limber arrow]

How is my subject at war with me?

[true needle]

I cant get air superiority either

[rigid surge]

You need some armor piercing.. Can with CAS armor pierce bombs.

[hollow narwhal]

in what way

[true needle]

im barely able to keep up with my fighter losses making 1.33 per day

[rocky sedge]

Like the store is sluggish and downloads are really really really slow compared to yesterday

[rigid surge]

So, just use tanks..? Or do some 4-8 divs with AT accompany

So you can pierce and outstat them.

[rocky sedge]

Like I’m getting 24 mbps steam download when I should be getting over 3 gb

[true needle]

these are my attacking divisions

and these are my defending divisions

[rigid surge]

Delete shovel from them, please.

Also

You can add heavy tank shovel accompany

[remote quarry]

don't make spg

or at least make a design with breakthrough

[true needle]

they got buffed

[remote quarry]

the goal of having a tank in there is to get breakthrough

[remote quarry]

yes and your design is bad

anyway

you don't wanna make tanks to begin with

[true needle]

their width was reduced to 2 and the amounts you needed for each battalion was reduced to 40 for all SPG types

[remote quarry]

completely waste of industry

[remote quarry]

yes it doesn't save your design

[remote quarry]

also this doesn't look strong at all

[north spoke]

You can you can probably do 12 or 14 widths

[remote quarry]

jut put all your inf to the front

no idea why you have 4 on the coast

and push with everything on the plain tile

[true needle]

defending from naval invasions

you know the UK is a thing right? and they love to naval invade right?

[rigid surge]

20 width is only good on forest, it's too expensive to make SPGs, just do basic heavy tanks with max AT gun

[remote quarry]

attack with everything

[north spoke]

UK try not to make life terrible challenge

[remote quarry]

just leave something on the port

[north spoke]

"if I can't empire nobody can"

[heavy vigil]

in this case they dont since they have a land border

[north spoke]

Those who UK

[rigid surge]

Imagine sirenhead with naval invasion sound tiktok meme.

[north spoke]

UK will throw everything in their naval invasions until they die or you die

[remote quarry]

also just look at your templates, your "attack" template has 10 more breakthrough than the "defending" division

just attack with everything

and make a spg design with break

[north spoke]

I have PTSD from back in my Germany main days

[remote quarry]

two spg should along give you at least 60 break

[true needle]

I just had to wait for them to only have 4 infantry divisions on the tile I wanted to attack, now I can dunkirk them

[rigid surge]

Breakthrough is not Piercing.
It's just defend stat while attacking.

[remote quarry]

so?

[north spoke]

Is towed artillery good for defense divisions?

[remote quarry]

ok if it works it works

could have done it earlier

[true needle]

not really feasible, the breakthrough stat gets nuked just by being an SPG

[remote quarry]

no

I can literally tell you right now what your spg design is like

[rigid surge]

1 heavy tank battalion will give more breakthrough.

[remote quarry]

and you made intentional choices that nuked your breakthrough

[remote quarry]

how would this help them

[charred lake]

Can't wait for mapchart to update their hoi4 map

[remote quarry]

yes

[true needle]

not really, line artillery doesnt add organization and HP to your division which means they will take more losses and not last as long in a fight

[remote quarry]

your spg has a fixed turret right?

and probably no radio/armor click/extra ammunition

just use a 3 man turret and some break module

[true needle]

WRONG for your second points

[remote quarry]

it easily doubles the break in your division

[remote quarry]

yes

one simple change

-> 3 man turret

[true needle]

I made them to be an armor meme so my mountaineers couldnt be pierced

[remote quarry]

double the stat

[remote quarry]

irrlevant

you don't even need the welded to not get pierced

[true needle]

swapped it around for this

[remote quarry]

and remove the armor modules

use a radio if you have it

yeah

[true needle]

I dont really have anything to put in the spot where wet ammo went and I dont need 90% reliability

[remote quarry]

50 extra break for free

[true needle]

havent researched any yet

[rigid surge]

Just use basic inf/mechanised with AA. Artillery adds huge amount of soft attack, but not really good stats for defence, they just cut your organisation by 10.

[upper void]

Anyone would be willing to do multiplayer with me?

[true needle]

not really for free, the design costs me 1 or 2 extra IC

[upper void]

I need help with the game?

[remote quarry]

oh try remove the armor

gonna cut your cost by 30%

😂 anyway

this is fine

[upper void]

im in allies Co-Op if anyone wanna join

[remote quarry]

you people just hate breakthrough so much

even now making tanks

lol

you might as well make line artillery if you don't want to have break

at least it's cheap

[upper void]

Are you expert in the game?

[remote quarry]

ah?

[upper void]

I would like for u to do Co-Op with me please

[remote quarry]

ah sry

[upper void]

you dont have to but im asking because im trying to have better understand

okay

[remote quarry]

but i can answer questions

[rigid surge]

more than 4 armor adds +2 steel cost.

[upper void]

Its easier in gameplay where I play as Mexico and the other player as USA

[true needle]

oh it does, TIL

luv me SPGs

[weary whale]

ahh so the update is like new naval stuff

[remote quarry]

also if you want to play correctly

you wanna have air researched

and start building

otherwise you won't capitulate uk in time

[true needle]

the only reason I didnt use them is because they previously had weird equipment numbers and 3 width, but now that they are 2 width and use 40 equipment for all types

[leaden wraith]

from 1936 to mid 1948 in 94 minutes wtf

[remote quarry]

ok you weren't even filling the combat width

[true needle]

yeah

[remote quarry]

not like it's gonna affect anything lol

[weary whale]

guys is there a medieval mod

[latent palm]

is something wrong with the free version of the game that you can get on steam becouse its free weekend it just keeps crashing on the loading screen farthest i got was half way ive been trying to get it to work for an hour and a half

[remote quarry]

😭 zero rubber gaming

ah

[true needle]

I dont have any way to import from the congo as I have no navy to escort my convoys

[remote quarry]

get improved

[leaden wraith]

arch is op, yall should try running hoi4 on linux

[true needle]

once I start making submarines I should be able to nuke the UKs fleet with them

[remote quarry]

try buy from siam if you could

ok maybe you are cooked

idk

usually the play is you have a larger air day 1 of the war

then you just invade them

when you go into war rubber becomes a significant issue

[true needle]

ah, air superiority, now I can make cas

[rigid surge]

Also can kill their fuel, banned strat against players.

[zinc rune]

lmao

[hazy cave]

Do any of the warlords have a Christian path of any kind?

[true needle]

the UK has somehow learned from the dutch and are now colonizing the oceans

[remote quarry]

did you collab france

wait

[true needle]

dont have la resistance

though they should immediately fall apart if I take paris

[remote quarry]

oh that's pretty bad

just harsh quota them

make them work in plane factories

[true needle]

im only going to take what I can core from my focus tree and then ill puppet the rest or something idk

[warped flint]

Should I play as italy

[quaint kettle]

Play as tuva

I would but my shit pc can't run the game

[warped flint]

Never

[quaint kettle]

I've not played since november

Cuz my other pc (my mum's crappy laptop that ran the game at 20fps) broke

Ive not played ncns

[quaint kettle]

Yes

[azure dagger]

Yes

[grizzled yarrow]

Empire of great japan

WHAT 425 FACTORIES

[quaint kettle]

Okay yeah mg pc is absolutely dogshit

[grizzled yarrow]

Is that the new faction rework gig?

[serene inlet]

what is the new meta

[true needle]

I dont know how but SOMEONE has jets in 1940

[serene inlet]

i cant even micro tanks anymore

no planning

[crystal marsh]

about to complete my faction manifest

[quaint kettle]

God I wanna play ncns

[true needle]

wait how did you get planning and micro your tanks at the same time?

I just put them on a general with no frontline and went from there

[serene inlet]

if u dont get planning bonus ur shooting urself in the foot

[true needle]

only time it didnt work is when I had no supply

"you NEED to do things EXACTLY how I say (what someone on reddit said was the current meta) or you WILL fail and you might as well uninstall the game because you aren't doing things the way I think is the most optimally even though you are playing an SP game"

• 90% of the HOI4 playerbase 4000 BC - 2025

[remote quarry]

the very very recent update

adds a new option to cohesion

that allows division to be on a frontline and not moved by the ai

[remote quarry]

but yes, you should always get planning

[true needle]

oh neat

[remote quarry]

you are just doing too many things wrong that it appears so important to do a few things right yk

💀

[serene inlet]

wdym

also whats the new meta

[warped flint]

Theres some command you can give to get full planning in like 3 days

[remote quarry]

look at the forum

for the patch

basically the change means mp is unplayable

[serene inlet]

what do i even do tanks feel useless

[true needle]

I couldnt figure out how to use the previous method of getting planning but not having the AI move your tanks but ill definately use it now that I have the immobile cohesion thing

[serene inlet]

cohesion change?

[remote quarry]

so paradox "fixed" it by adding a new cohesion setting

[true needle]

things ive done wrong:

had the wrong turret on my tank

[remote quarry]

yeah, a cohesion setting where ai doesn't move your divs at all

[steep trail]

What's the general consensus on the new dlc

I'm seeing mixed opinions

[uncut carbon]

not amazing

[remote quarry]

I mean, just what we have noticed so far

also having basic airframe is kinda concerning

[steep trail]

Damn for 30 bucks it better be great

[serene inlet]

rigid frontline? why would AI reinforcing automatically be bad

[uncut carbon]

its like ok to bad

[north spoke]

Mid asf

[uncut carbon]

imo its horrible

[remote quarry]

because ai moves your division around randomly

even on the (old) lowest cohesion

[uncut carbon]

but i knew it was gonna be ass from the get go because pdx is shit at making dlcs for hoi4

just work on hoi5 pls

call it a day

[north spoke]

I wouldn't say horrible, but coal was implemented terribly

[steep trail]

Wow I got 3 negative opinions and 0 positive so far. Damn pdx is dropping the ball

[serene inlet]

not really atleast not from my exp

[remote quarry]

micro more and you see

[surreal mist]

any opinions on a 9/9 template with both width reduction doctrines

[north spoke]

Once the modders come to the rescue it will be good

[true needle]

air superiority and supply and the foundations that a tank division are built on, if you dont have either your tanks will not funciton well

I personally use them as breakthrough units, I only make like 4 or 6 divisions and I use them to make encirclements, you dont need 24 30w divisions

[north spoke]

But for now don't get it

[serene inlet]

u mean on the new update?

[uncut carbon]

i do a estimate of how much value i get for the money i pay

[uncut carbon]

i pay 30 and get a shit dlc

[steep trail]

I really hope they're reading what fans are saying but I know they won't

[north spoke]

Valid

[uncut carbon]

that equals out to a shitty dlc

[serene inlet]

u dont need air sup

[steep trail]

Very sad that unpaid fans have to rescue a game

[remote quarry]

also

[surreal mist]

1939 gun and arty tech with ranger (450 soft without ranger)

[remote quarry]

hoi4 101

[true needle]

you dont NEED it but its nice you have, when your divisions lack air superiority they suffer a malus to their stats, I dont remember which though

[remote quarry]

filling combat width >> everything else

[north spoke]

Paradox at it's finest

[remote quarry]

you don't have "offensive unit" when you can't even fill the frontline width

[sudden thistle]

Interesting

[true needle]

not as important since NSB but still important

[steep trail]

Name a better duo than paradox and squeezing every cent they can from their fans

[remote quarry]

it's essential

[north spoke]

Gaijin and squeezing every cent they can from their "fans"

[remote quarry]

why is 2 width better than 3

[steep trail]

Okay that's fair lol

[remote quarry]

if you can't even fill the front

[sudden thistle]

Like most mobile games

[uncut carbon]

gaijin...

[north spoke]

But paradox is really close nowadays

[steep trail]

Same with the company that makes world of warships i think

[uncut carbon]

gaijin just means foreigner

[true needle]

I made my mountaineers 20w so they fit into forest tiles better which give some good defensive bonuses to whoever occupies them but plains tiles are extremely easy to fight in

belgium also gets a modifier that gives more forest bonuses to mountaineers

[uncut carbon]

why did they name a company after that

[sudden thistle]

I found a really fun one and when I played it again a few years later everything was locked behind paywalls

[remote quarry]

again, irrlevant

irrelvant

[true needle]

more things per width

[uncut carbon]

gaijin is a slur against foreigners

[remote quarry]

and irrlevant

[north spoke]

The only thing is that paradox dlcs add content, unlike gaijin premiums

[uncut carbon]

why did they name a company after a slur

[north spoke]

They russian

[remote quarry]

yes, and are you utilizing it, if you are not even using all the combat width on the frontline?

think

[true needle]

if it was irrelivant then why did my mountaineers work

[sudden thistle]

Because vanilla AI

they are abysmal dogshit

[true needle]

I dont know why you guys are getting so heated over combat width, like its not that big of a deal

[steep trail]

It sucks since I'm a fairly new fan of pdx games so I wasn't around for the "golden age"

[remote quarry]

no it's exactly the other way around

[true needle]

if this was a sweaty MP game where everything needs to be hyperoptimized then ok

[remote quarry]

you like to imagine something is good based on width

which is completely irrelevant

[true needle]

when did I say that

[remote quarry]

while ignoring the actually important stuff

[pure crown]

Mm

[remote quarry]

^

[mellow jetty]

I miss the unhealthy Hirohito portrait

[remote quarry]

the issue with this obsession is that people hardly look at what's really important

[steep trail]

A lot of people treat these games as such. Whenever someone asks for any help or advice people always seem to suggest the most meta options. Im sorry but i hate playing games th meta way I like to do shit my own way

[uncut carbon]

dont post if casey sees

he'll warn u

[blissful grail]

Has navy changed combat wise? Is combat still like man the guns? Or has No compromise No surrender changed it?

[true needle]

im not understanding, you are saying that im bad for making my divisions a specific width but you are also saying that I should make things a specific width

what?

[deep solstice]

for...?

[uncut carbon]

posting modern politicians

[steep trail]

Probably modern politics

[deep solstice]

eh alr ill delete it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088635411754143836/1440108941332713533/image0.gif

[remote quarry]

it's irrleevant

[uncut carbon]

even tho ive caught members of the mod team also doing the same thing

but whatever ❤️

[true needle]

true, its a mostly singleplayer game, if someone can make an off meta strategy work then go right ahead, it showcases that you have the skills to make something non-ideal work

[remote quarry]

your issue is that you are not looking at the important things

[uncut carbon]

the mods themselves dont know the rules so its ok

[steep trail]

Lol you can't expect mods to follow the same rules they expect us plebs to

[true needle]

like forgetting breakthrough on my tanks? which I fixed with literally like 4 clicks?

[remote quarry]

yes

simple

[blissful grail]

Is the new doctrine system better?

[true needle]

ok? and I fixed it? why are we still arguing?

[uncut carbon]

What is permissible to a Zeus isnt permissible for an ox

[remote quarry]

more effect than all the combat width in the world combined

[steep trail]

I could not play any odx game multi-player I'm sorry but Tha takes all the fun out of it for me

[sudden thistle]

Most people ask for the “best (name) div”

[blissful grail]

Beating Ai is kinda easy

Just soft attack

[true needle]

im not sure, a lot of the bonuses are a bit hidden like if you take GBP you cant really see the subdoctrines for mobile warfare, but I like the modularity in the subdoctrines so you can get more creative

[steep trail]

You're not wrong but even when I ask for some general advice somewhere i always get the most cheesy answers

[blissful grail]

And Cas

[true needle]

they even have a subdoctrine for infantry entirely focuses on helicopters

[blissful grail]

Airland battle

I think it’s called

[sudden thistle]

I mean a answer is an answer

[steep trail]

Especiallyin the kx channel. Don't get me startedon the people there.

[uncut carbon]

no

[remote quarry]

idk how everything started but just attack with all your army

[uncut carbon]

if u give a shitty answer

id rather get no answer

[remote quarry]

and fill combat width

simple

[steep trail]

That's like saying that if I'm starving and ask someone for food that I should be happy if I get a piece of shit for breakfast

Weird analogy but you get the point

[true needle]

same, if you arent doing the meta and hyperoptimizing SOMEONE else will and they will use every cheese strat to win, which ive personally experienced with a recent MP game where the spain player got seriously screwed by the allies, like preventing spain from coring its own territory after the civil war

[remote quarry]

when i said this im not saying 20w is good or bad or anything

just the simple trick that you attack with your whole srmy

[uncut carbon]

who takse hoi4 this serious

just play the game how u wanna

its a shitty excel sheet game produced by a buncha money hungry swedes

[steep trail]

Bingo. I'd only ever play with someone who isn't some sweaty try hard or a new player since I'm not that good myself I just play to have fun and go down big focus trees

[shy birch]

Why would a Japanese sign be in English?

[crystal sandal]

why does this DLC make the game worse rather than better

[true needle]

unless I have no other option I prefer to attack with specialist "elite" units, like my mountaineers or tank divisions

I like it when my casualties < enemy casualties, it makes me happy seeing the enemy suffer 10x my own casualties

[uncut carbon]

cuz pdx is too greedy to get a translator

[true needle]

mass assaults with infantry bricks can work though but ive never tried it

[remote quarry]

just learn more exploitd than your opponent

eazy

[steep trail]

Lmao this is not a good omen for the new dlc. I was gonna try it this weekend with the dlc subscription but now I think I'm gonna hold off and keep playing star wars empire at war

[uncut carbon]

選ぶ
＜－
あそこ

here u go pdx

[true needle]

hoi4 MP can be really fun with close friends as you will all work together to make an interesting game, MP games with strangers is just a CS:GO sweatfest

[crystal sandal]

the navy and doctrine reworks are so bad

[steep trail]

I've tried to get my friends into it but the bar for entry is so high no one wants to spend thy time or money to learn it

[true needle]

Five. Hundred. Encirclements.

[desert stump]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[crystal sandal]

as the USA i couldnt even naval invade taiwan from the Philippines

[desert stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1200261923661414400/1263168822534471701/attachment-4.gif

[steep trail]

That makes me sad honestly. This dlc was the hoi4 equivalent of stellaris 4.0 and apparently they both flopped

[reef forge]

mods, ban this guy

[sudden thistle]

Very weird 😭

[true needle]

this is something so cursed you cant help but imagine the thought process required to create it

[steep trail]

What can I say I'm a weird mf

[true needle]

like the furkraine copypasta

[steep trail]

I have an idea of what they were thinking

[crystal sandal]

i left a negative review and am waiting for them to fix the game.

[vagrant crow]

german ai is trash now

[uncut carbon]

i left a japanese negative review for hoi4

[crystal sandal]

its honestly sad spending money for a DLC which makes the game worse

[vagrant crow]

also wtf did they not add an option to prioritize energy consumption for military factories???

[blissful grail]

COALLLL

dude

The coal addition is crazy

[true needle]

stellaris devs when its been a year since they completely rewrote the games code (they hate modders)

hoi4 devs when its been 2 months since they released a DLC that costs 75% of the games base cost and adds 2 things (the shareholders will go bankrupt soon (their individual net worth is 47 trillion))

[solid harness]

hello i havent played spain but what is the best path for facist spain im just running the acheavements

[vagrant crow]

wtf theres just no interface to manage energy supply and consumption thats so trash

[steep trail]

I heard that nuclear facilities don't have any impacton energy production which is just so bleeping stupid

[blissful grail]

Yeah

If they’re gonna add coal might as well add reactors

But

[true needle]

agreed, civilian nuclear reactors should at least nullify the coal consumption of factories in the same state

[blissful grail]

Their wouldn’t be any use

[steep trail]

I tried to go back to stellaris for the first time since 4.0 and I couldn't get the most basic of mod lists to work

[blissful grail]

You get nukes late game

[winged field]

So is this DLC actually not worth it? I didn't buy it yet

[solid harness]

guys please😭

[true needle]

still waiting on stellaris evolved to be updated

[blissful grail]

By that point you should be okay

[solid harness]

what is the best path for facist spain

[steep trail]

I gave up trying after spending z whole day troubleshooting

[blissful grail]

You wanna be a king? Franco? Or what?

[steep trail]

From what I've seen the answer is a resounding no

[solid harness]

idk just for acheavemnt

[blissful grail]

Achievement is?

[solid harness]

i want to reach francer before germany does

[winged field]

Rip

[true needle]

afaik there are historical inaccuracies and a lot of schizo alt-history paths like MacArthur's "sea of cobalt" enthusiast secret path for the Philippines

but the SPG buff and doctrine changes are cool

[steep trail]

Is it worse than the previous dlc which was pretty bad

[blissful grail]

This is Kaiserredux

[steep trail]

Graveyard of empires

[winged field]

What about the doctrines stuff?

[solid harness]

also witch path is bourbon spain

[true needle]

wasnt the last one gotterdammerung?

[blissful grail]

Our Hoi4 is becoming kaiserredux

[steep trail]

As much as I can't stand the people who make kx, and most if the fans, that mod is honestly the best hoi4 mod in my opinion

[vagrant crow]

its joever

[blissful grail]

Yeah you’re right. I’m a major fan of the mod

[steep trail]

No it was graveyard of empires

[blissful grail]

Kasierredux is very schizophrenic

But that’s why I like it

[steep trail]

It's all I really play other than r56 which I've recently found out a lot of people dislike

[blissful grail]

People don’t like r56?

[steep trail]

Controversial opinion incoming but I cannot stand tno or tfr

[blissful grail]

Dude that’s a good ass mod

Better than kaiserredux honestly

[steep trail]

I think so too but I've seen a lot of dislike for it

I'm very easy to please however

[blissful grail]

Maybe it’s just the fact it has more mechanics

And you can control the ai

[true needle]

pretty cool, they are way more modular than the previous system so you can get pretty creative instead of it just being "left vs right" and whats more meta than the other

now you can get more creative and customize your doctrine based on your current situation

so you pick a general doctrine, these havent been changed, they are just your classic GBP, mass assault, SFP, MW, and then you pick 4 subdoctrines which slowly level up as you get XP, for GBP at least you have a subdoctrine for infantry, artillery, tanks, and "operations" which is for bonuses not related to either of the 3 previous categories

there are also some extra subdoctrines as well, "air cavalry" for infantry is focused entirely on buffing helicopters

[steep trail]

A lot of people were saying is very buggy which i haven't experienced

[blissful grail]

That is what usually happens after updates

And stuff

But all games have bugs

It does something get annoying when you crash after playing the game tho

[vagrant crow]

crazy debuffs to attacking in snow now

[steep trail]

Oh yah I don't play pdx games after big updates for at least a month but I was gonna try out the new dlc till I came here and the general consensus is it isn't worth it

[true needle]

the thing is that you need a lot of XP to get these things, 100 XP to pick your doctrine and then 100 XP for each subdoctrine, so its less of a continuing cost that you invest in and more a massive upfront cost

[blissful grail]

Don’t get it honestly

[winged field]

Hmm. That's like the only reason I was considering buying it cuz of doctrines stuff.

Imma wait some more

[blissful grail]

The only important mods are like no step back and by blood alone

And maybe

[true needle]

however, at least for GBP, there is the subdoctrine "great war infantry" that only costs 50 XP

and you can swap your subdoctrines around at will if your situation changes

[steep trail]

Bruh that essentially makes snow battles impossible. -60 attack?? -70 breakthrough?? That's overkill

[blissful grail]

That finnish one

[true needle]

its in the base game

[winged field]

Oh mb

[true needle]

the only things the DLC has is the new faction system and the asian focus trees

[blissful grail]

And China is a clusterfuck

[true needle]

coal, doctrine changes, and naval changes are all in vanilla now

[winged field]

Gonna update it then

[steep trail]

I really wanted to play it cuz I was waiting to play China and Japan till It came out. I never played either of them so I was excited but not anymore

[true needle]

mountaineer ranger support company chads stay winning

[winged field]

Idk why I thought it's gonna be part of dlc

[blissful grail]

It was pretty scummy tho that they didnt take man the guns off the store page when they put it into the base game

[vagrant crow]

its over for germany bros

[steep trail]

Cuz it's paradox and they love locking important features behind a pay wall

[true needle]

oh one thing I forgot to mention

divisions now suffer a small amount of attrition when moving (makes sense imo) so your 0% reliability tank meta is gone, now you all have to make realistic tank designs

[winged field]

Fr

[true needle]

"hanz ze transmission broke again"

[steep trail]

Yeah i saw people in reddit whining about the 0% reliability thing

[blissful grail]

Y’all weren’t making realistic tank designs?

[true needle]

I wont suffer from this though as I was a strict supporter of 70-80% reliability tanks

[blissful grail]

[winged field]

Me going for 70% reliability even before this change xD

[steep trail]

I try to. Like I said nothing I do is meta I play how I want and it usually works

[winged field]

But yeah jokes on those people now

[true needle]

nOooOOoOo I have to make actually realistic tank designs now instead of making the rubbishbucket 9000 for the 500th time

[blissful grail]

From the great knowledge from Alextherambler he told me. To keep it like 70-80

[blissful grail]

Yeah the ai is easy to beat

If you aren’t ignoring them

[steep trail]

Lol spot on. God forbid you actually need to play the game instead of cheesing it

[blissful grail]

Ai makes some bad tanks

[true needle]

70-80 is in that perfect cost effectiveness zone where less results in much more losses but any more results in less benefit

[blissful grail]

They didn’t add the ai army front line did they?

In the base game?

[steep trail]

My last game before my current break from the game was another Germany run things werrr going good till I decided it was a good idea to attack France in 37. I didn't have enough equipment or planes and my dumbass forgot about the maginot

[true needle]

that and I used 70-80% because try as I might my tanks WILL experience attrition mostly due to a momentary lack of supply or weather conditions and i'd rather not have all of my tanks blow up because of it

"no plan survives contact with the enemy" and all that

[vagrant crow]

bulgaria is such an awful country to play as i have no stability because of the faction mechanic

[steep trail]

I was wondering why I was doing almost 0 damage to their divisions till I remembered where the hell i was lol

[blissful grail]

Brooo 😭

[steep trail]

Don't get too cocky Germany bros lest you make the same mistakes as I

[blissful grail]

I did a late war with the Allies and I got an sea lion off easy

[steep trail]

"Oh yah this will be easy no way France has even half the amount of divisions as i do"

[true needle]

im the kinda guy that delays war by a year so I can build more factories, tanks, and planes

"ill declare war once this is done (never does)"

[steep trail]

Bro same i usually put shit off till I can't anymore this was the first time I made such a mistake

I've never not had enough planes

[blissful grail]

I make small Air Force’s now

[true needle]

I economymax too hard, I keep forgetting hoi4 is a wargame not an economy simulator

[blissful grail]

I’m making like good fighters around 37 or 38

[steep trail]

I was using vnr too so my navy was coming out a bit slower than usual since I had so many different ship types

[blissful grail]

The ai has like thousands but my good fighters give a nice kill ratio

[steep trail]

I've really been interested in ww1-ww2 naval combat lately

[blissful grail]

I ignored navy

Until they gave man the guns to the base game

Now i actually have to pay attention

[steep trail]

I usually do but vnr is a really cool mod

[true needle]

please share your wisdom, I am tired of making regular meta fighters

I want to make heavy fighters, I desire them

[sinful cloud]

lol, democratic japan can just spam civs with PP

[steep trail]

I make both regular and heavy

[sinful cloud]

and you get a lot of pp

[blissful grail]

Heavy fighters aren’t so good

For me at lest

Least*

I use cas and light fighters

[true needle]

easy mode: low visibility subs

hard mode: light attack light cruisers, torpedo destroyers, no more than 4 carriers per fleet, at least one capital per carrier and 4 screens per capital

[blissful grail]

Thank god bittersteel exists

[true needle]

civbros we are so back'

[true needle]

yeah pretty much

[steep trail]

Probably not but they look cool

[blissful grail]

They should add more buffs to being on civilian economy

Most mods add buffs

[true needle]

one thing I keep in mind is to armor my light cruisers as they will primarily be fighting other screens, so if you armor them against light attack the enemies screens cant really hurt them

and because they are a light cruiser heavy batteries have a hard time hitting them due to their low hull visibility and speed

[true needle]

nothing matches the immense aura of the P-61 and BF-110

[dim agate]

some of japans new features and spirits are in the base game too

[shy birch]

The fact that you can't mouse-over the factions to get a tooltip displaying faction members is absolutely bonkers

[dim agate]

what did they change with the navy?

[blissful grail]

How dominance works

Right?

And missions

[true needle]

i'd put more secondary batteries in the empty slots to kill screens faster

and keep the armor slot empty, these heavy cruisers wont really get hit by heavy batteries because they are fast and they wont get hit by light attack so long as you have screens

[true needle]

something about logistics and naval supremacy, no idea beyond that

[dim agate]

i heard patrol increases, strike force multiplies and raidings lowers but i am not sure

[blissful grail]

That’s why the roach exists

[true needle]

nah, I just put a ton of torpedos on them

the idea is, at least for me, is that the light cruisers obliterate the screens and torpedo destroyers obliterate the capitals

[blissful grail]

Subs for that

[true needle]

heavy cruisers are there to screen your carriers (if you lack the industry/resources to make battlecruisers or dont already have capitals)

[true needle]

iirc dont put subs in your main fleet as their low speed nukes your positioning stat

[steep trail]

I just like filling every slot with guns. More gun =more cool

[true needle]

keep them in a dedicated sub fleet with 10-20 subs per task force

[blissful grail]

I don’t they are on convoy raiding

[true needle]

good

also, if the visibility is low enough, set them to always engage, this will allow them to engage EVERY fleet

[steep trail]

I saw a post on reddit the other day where someone shot down over 1000 planes and sunk a few hundred ships with just subs

[true needle]

otherwise they will only engage convoys and maybe destroyers

[blissful grail]

Honestly

Battle ships

[steep trail]

You need to put those subs on land if they can shred 1000 planes

[blissful grail]

I don’t think they’re worth the cost

[true needle]

ah, the good ol' flyswatter

[uncut carbon]

finlandian molotov cocktails stay winning

[steep trail]

Oh is that what a good ship template is meant to look like. Most of the upper slots would be filled with heavy guns if that was mine lol

[blissful grail]

All power to you man

[true needle]

heavy attack isnt really all that important IMO, heavy batteries have a hard time hitting screens due to their visibility and speed and enemy capitals are few in number

[prisma zealot]

oh they implemented man the guns into the game now ?

[vagrant crow]

thats awful that the ussr actually has to import coal now to have something of an industry on par with germany

[true needle]

yeah

[steep trail]

I knew i was doing it "wrong"

[prisma zealot]

damn

is japan any good now

[true needle]

personally if I were to make capitals i'd either do glass cannon heavy cruisers to screen my carriers and help kill enemy screens if im a minor nation

or if I had the industry just go all in on SHBBs

[steep trail]

Eh idc. I still have fun with the big guns but perhaps I will be wiser with my ship designs from now on

[junior coral]

why is it a snake

[true needle]

the thing with heavy cruisers is that they have the visibility of a cruiser so heavy batteries have a hard time hitting them, they have high speed because they are a cruiser which also makes them hard to hit, and because of the high speed carriers wont be held back by them making your entire fleet faster

carriers in a fleet with battleships will be slowed down

[blissful grail]

The brawler is the main thing to beat navies

I posted it on here

Somewhere

[true needle]

afaik light cruisers can shred capitals through "death by a thousand cuts"

but nothing matches the aura of a SHBB

[blissful grail]

1 is not good but30

That’s good

Until the carrier

[true needle]

yeah the problem with getting 30 armored light attack cruisers is just getting them, you'd need like 60-80 dockyards to make 20 or 30 by the time 1939 rolls around

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/battleship-gif-26936399

[true needle]

even with my last japan game with 20 dockyards on light cruisers I still only got like 8 done before 1939

[sudden thistle]

Whoever disagrees is wrong btw

[true needle]

I aspire one day to git gud at playing germany and make SHBBs and carriers

[wicked haven]

SHBB

[true needle]

annihilate the UK fleet with my own SHBBs

[true needle]

i'd have to do the math but SHBBs need quite a lot of time to make just one

you need a naval facility which most nations (at least not majors) dont start with, they require a ton of IC and they need a TON of iron/chromium

and im not sure if one SHBB is worth it when in the same time it takes you to make one you could make 2-4 glass cannon heavy cruisers

[sudden thistle]

My expert calculation on the time to make one
A lot

[true needle]

but I suppose you'd only need one SHBB

in my last RT56 game peru can get a ton of dockyards relatively easy, they have a repeatable 110pp decision from their balance of power mechanic that gives you 3 dockyards in your capital state

the only limit is that you can only have 25 dockyards in your capital state and im not sure if it swaps states once its full or if it goes away permenantly

[wicked haven]

Idk if it’s efficient i just like aura farming on ai

I build cruiser subs with guns and hangars too

[sudden thistle]

Norway on vanilla can convert convoys into destroyers

[true needle]

I need to make a sub fleet more often

the problem is that eventually I need to naval invade someone

[true needle]

WHAT

[sudden thistle]

I think I got like 70 destroyers by war

[wicked haven]

You can cheese ai with subs for ni

[true needle]

I imagine they have a terrible stat malus

[sudden thistle]

Not really

Just convert them

[true needle]

which focus tree is it?

[sudden thistle]

That’s also combined with my 600k army by war too

[sudden thistle]

Uh idk

Show me a screenshot and I may be able to find it

[languid copper]

hi chat

[true needle]

nvm found it

[sudden thistle]

Never knew that ur Korean, Russian, Chinese, I forgor, and Indian

[true needle]

its in the starting norway focus tree

[languid copper]

is ncns coal or fire

[true needle]

whats in the middle of those?

[sudden thistle]

Worth it if ur rich

Other way no

I’m yet to even play it

So I’m not sure

[languid copper]

RoK, Russia, PRC, Palestine, India

[tacit cosmos]

encirclement -> annexation

[languid copper]

so

[true needle]

I mean in the middle of coal and fire

[languid copper]

combine those and you get NCNS

I got that halfway through and tried to make a joke of it 😭

[true needle]

you tried, thats all that matters

[sudden thistle]

🥀

[languid copper]

so what I'm hearing is it's offensively mid

[true needle]

all the good stuff is in the base game

[sudden thistle]

I mean it’s also new

Give it a bit to be fixed

It’s better than GOE though

[true needle]

so unless Philippine leader macarthur "sea of irradiated cobalt" appeals to you dont buy it

[wicked haven]

You use coal to create fire

[bright sinew]

USSR-European Union War, 1952 Sattellite Imagery

lol

[worn isle]

What is the current stance to the new DLC?

I just got it

[nocturne cedar]

Do any of you fellas have a good medium tank template and design?

[nocturne cedar]

Laggy. Navy is broken for me, too.

[gaunt thorn]

I haven't gotten the chance to play it properly with japan but the faction stuff is cool

[worn isle]

I haven't had lag in my run so far

[gaunt thorn]

It's rewarding to be able to organise factions

[worn isle]

Honestly my biggest gripe is it feels like kaiserraich

[true needle]

I think something like this?

[worn isle]

I hate the pop ups that decide national focuses, is that possible to turn off

[copper sluice]

is there a way to not get forced into war with china when doing fascist japan

[nocturne cedar]

thx mate. What about a template for it?

[gaunt thorn]

i'd swap wet ammuntion storage for easy maintenance but that's my exact design apart from that lol

[true needle]

and then for your division make the width 30-35 and keep the org above 30

[true needle]

I made this as a "pre easy maintenance" tank, the moment I get it is when I swap wet ammo for it

[gaunt thorn]

yeah fair cause it does come a bit later in the run as u need maintenance 2

[wicked haven]

Why so much armour and no whatever the -cost +rel one

[gaunt thorn]

armour gives breakthrough

[true needle]

I did a bunch of testing and found that without wet ammo I have to invest a ton into the engine/wheel modules as well as extra points into the engine stat and it was more expensive than just using wet ammo

[remote quarry]

it's pinned in #ask-for-help-here

[wicked haven]

I wish diesels gave better speed at high altitude but worse in cold climates and vice versa for petrol

[true needle]

early game medium tank, armor boosts breakthrough

I made this in EaW so the AI is a bit better at making divisions

so I need to account for support AA and AT potentially being in regular infantry divisions

[wicked haven]

Ig but generally you’re fighting weaker armies early

[true needle]

true, I just made this as a general template, not a set-in-stone-never-deviate thing

[wicked haven]

Fair enough

[true needle]

just so I wouldnt forget what the "ideal" medium tank is

there are little optimizations here and there that could be made, like reducing the engine stat a little, but irrc I kept the speed a bit above 8km/h to account for penalties that reduce speed a little bit so they'd stay at 8km/h more frequently

also I found this

[nocturne cedar]

Femcels aren't real.

[true needle]

schizophrenia or bait, call it

[nocturne cedar]

No matter how much you tell me if they're real

[worn isle]

Both

[nocturne cedar]

they aren't.

[blissful grail]

CIA psyop

[vagrant crow]

playing soviet union is going to be impossible now if you lose donetsk at all because thats 60% of soviet coal and for some reason they gave uk more coal than ussr

[true needle]

well... the UK does have a ton of coal

[blissful grail]

A lot of animals died in England

[worn isle]

UK historically used their coal to power their fleets, which is why switching to oil was a massive deal to them. It was an end to self reliance

[blissful grail]

If I was English I wouldn’t want to be alive either

[true needle]

ACTUALLY

ACTUALLY

its stalino that has all the coal

[blissful grail]

And they historically were the first in the industrial revolution

[somber forge]

Anybody have any advice for Navy Spain

[true needle]

unless its been renamed from a focus or something

[vagrant crow]

stalino is donetsk

[true needle]

oh my god america winning yet again in the "most amount of resources" competition

this is coal

[worn isle]

Yes, spam sub against allies. Against axis use surface ships, and focus on range since you lack naval bases

[true needle]

almost 6x the amount the second most coal rich nation (USSR) has

[somber forge]

Alr ty

[true needle]

the ONLY things the US isnt top of the list for in resources is chromium and rubber, and rubber can be fixed easily

[worn isle]

Ships in med can be short ranged but Atlantic ones need that range

[true needle]

all this talk about subs makes me want to play Uboat

excited for 1941 to roll around so I can get patrol missions that aren't in the north sea for once

(north sea is when <40m depth)

speaking of which I checked the naval losses for the north sea zone and WHAT IS OMAN DOING HERE?

I have no idea how im going to cap the UK

I have no navy

paratroopers?

[prisma zealot]

what the actual f are these doctrines

[worn isle]

honestly I have 2,000k hours in hoi4 and 90% of that is like from when the game just came out. So I am even more clueless to all that happens in the weird new mechanics than some noobs.

Only things that didn't change much at all since naval do I really understand

[deep needle]

Wtf did they do to the planning

[vagrant crow]

does uk normally have 500 factories by 1944

[worn isle]

Yea

[deep needle]

Planning is cooked

[woven dragon]

What do you guys think of my idea here: When the Dutch East Indies gets a tree in TAOG should the Dutch get a joint tree with DEI (like the Belgians and the Congo) and a 3D model rework, because boy the Dutch model kinda shows it’s age

[steady thorn]

superior firepower comeback is real

[coral gorge]

It isn’t

[steady thorn]

whats the best doctrine rn?

[coral gorge]

It is funni for lategame tho

Nah

Most countries won’t get milestone bonus in time for it to be relevant

And its army spirits are fairly weak

[stuck lily]

man i cant believe how much content japan's tree has now, it's 1953 and im still doing focuses

[coral gorge]

Its only best on paper

[steady thorn]

what would ur go to doctrine be

[gaunt thorn]

anyone know why this isnt showing up

[true needle]

i'd say GBP, not sure about the other doctrines but planning is always there

[coral gorge]

If you play tanks and want to be relevant during 1939-1943 then I’d say either MW or GBP, but if you have to trade defensively then chance is MA remains better

[deep needle]

Vanilla is cooked

[coral gorge]

MA still has operational reserve

but only MW has Quick Improvisation now

[steady thorn]

can you have as much reinforce rate as before with MA?

[coral gorge]

Nah

[true needle]

GBP is the most versatile afaik, more entrenchment means better defense, more planning means better offense, and planning applies to everythnig

that and with subdoctrines you can get tank bonuses as GBP early

[steady thorn]

didnt u loose most of ur planning for GBP?

[true needle]

well, as soon as you get 200 army XP...

[jovial narwhal]

💀

[misty fossil]

what is this red area? its not range limit?

im so confused

[true needle]

oh my god

[steady thorn]

mr sheep do u have ur own creator code?

im gonna buy the dlc rn

[misty fossil]

im playing rt56 so it doesnt give me naval hq