hoi4-general

[unkempt zodiac]

depends

[meager valley]

Short answer no, long answer can be early game

[storm mica]

Okay and tank divsions

[meager valley]

With doctrine rework may be more viable

[storm mica]

Okay

[unkempt zodiac]

again, depends on country and time

[meager valley]

Probably wouldn’t bother as a new player

[storm mica]

Okay and navy?

[unkempt zodiac]

you need to learn navy to play

[storm mica]

Is it hard?

[unkempt zodiac]

it has its own seperate system 😭

yes

[meager valley]

Navy is very strong, but as a new player I’d just focus on land battles till you get them down

[unkempt zodiac]

just invade countries and take their navy if you can

[storm mica]

Okay so what is a good nation to start with my friend says UK

[meager valley]

Like legit as a new player you need to be able to know who and how to attack

[unkempt zodiac]

soviets

if you have the dlc

[storm mica]

Yes I saw a tutorial

[meager valley]

Not for new ppl lol, the Germans can be brutal

[storm mica]

Or US

[unkempt zodiac]

i mean its all rounded with dlc

you can go any path

have manpower favtories resources

its the most fun

[storm mica]

What type of DLC is needed to steal a navy? I saw that to on YT

[meager valley]

Problem with the UK is it relies on navy and air quite a bit but it is a good option

[unkempt zodiac]

the most important dlc is no step back

[meager valley]

Maybe try UK but on a non historical route

And like annex Ireland

[unkempt zodiac]

the game is non playable without no step back

[storm mica]

Okay and like communist or fasict

[meager valley]

Fascist

[storm mica]

Okay

[meager valley]

Communist UK actually sucks monkey butts

[storm mica]

So I will try Germany and maybe restore the kaiser reich. I think that is fun

[unkempt zodiac]

italy can also be really fun

[storm mica]

You already start with a war to

[unkempt zodiac]

yeah

[meager valley]

Germany is a good option too. Just Goodluck with the civil war lol

[storm mica]

Is it hard

?

[unkempt zodiac]

there was a trick for the opposte hitler branch

[meager valley]

If you don’t know what you’re doing maybe? But can be a good way to learn how to deploy units well

[unkempt zodiac]

if you replace every troop with one artillery you can win the civil war every single time

[storm mica]

I know some basics

[unkempt zodiac]

or something like that

[meager valley]

That is an option just kind of an intermediate tactic imo

Bc many new players barely know how to edit templates

[unkempt zodiac]

its wayyy easier to win the civil war like that

[meager valley]

Just try the German civil war till you win it

[meager valley]

Right I just don’t know if he’ll know how to make the division and switch all

[storm mica]

My friend tought me some basics and we played a match as the Polish Commenwealth and we had a war with US and we won and made some colonies and annexed Romenia en Bulgeria

[unkempt zodiac]

divisions arent that hard to learn 😭

for infantry its mostly just anti air artillery and support equipment

everything else is mid

[storm mica]

I will keep you all updated about the campain

[meager valley]

For brand new players it can be just bc there are a lot of stats shown and it confuses them

[ripe slate]

Bulgaria is usually easy to invade if youre playing Road to 56 Ukraine

Welcome s

[meager valley]

Military Police kinda got a big buff recently

[unkempt zodiac]

hi

[unkempt zodiac]

bulgaria has no navy lol

one naval invasion and its over

[ripe slate]

Exactly

And awful starting army and restrictions on expanding that starting army

So free real estate

[unkempt zodiac]

theres a compliance advisor as fascist turkey

and he lets you

put civillian oversight everywhere and basically core everywhere in a few years

[toxic sapphire]

can I garuantee Hungary joining my future Austrian empire or no

[meager valley]

Same with Commonwealth Poland and Carlist Spain

Commie Germany too

[unkempt zodiac]

huh

oh with the dlc

[meager valley]

Commie Germany has daily compliance gain now

It’s cracked

[toxic sapphire]

.

[unkempt zodiac]

literally bro

[meager valley]

I always said anarchist Spain should get a unique occupation law with faster compliance gain

[unkempt zodiac]

dude is there like a time limit

like

if a war lasts long enough do they just join the allies

or is it random

[meager valley]

Idk

Last time I played I took most of Europe pretty fast

But it was ahistorical

[ripe slate]

Theres no logic like that I believe

[meager valley]

I might try communist Germany on historical

[ripe slate]

however saving/loading I believe does impact faction behavior

[unkempt zodiac]

you can pretty much invade mainland brittain with a shitty fleet and like 500-600 naval bombers

[meager valley]

Marj do you know if it’s difficult to code occupation laws?

[unkempt zodiac]

through germany

[patent thistle]

i know that they dont get shit for a navy

[meager valley]

Like how Italy gets unique ones

[ripe slate]

Probably isnt

[meager valley]

Can you still? UK defends home islands pretty strong now

[meager valley]

Anarchism should 100% get a unique one like how communism gets liberated workers

[unkempt zodiac]

it takes like a few weeks in game but they lose naval supremacy really fast if you keep naval bombers supplied

even with a terrible fleet you can get naval supremacy

[ripe slate]

Once you make the landing isnt there a fair few land troops storming at you too?

[meager valley]

Just Goodluck once you land. Uk floods you with like 1 mil soldiers now so have to land in 2-3 places consecutively

[drowsy arrow]

Uk easy beat

[meager valley]

Tbh Japan home islands should have the same defense

[drowsy arrow]

Idk how people struggle

[unkempt zodiac]

you only really need to secure 3 ports

[meager valley]

Bc they defend it more than any other place on the planet unless their units are far away

[drowsy arrow]

Simple solution is to get entire Manchurian army there

[unkempt zodiac]

also

[meager valley]

I’m saying in the update I hope Japan super defends the home islands

[drowsy arrow]

Just go take Africa then

[meager valley]

And gets a similar buff to the US one

[drowsy arrow]

I mean if you want to you can play sheep mod or mp

[unkempt zodiac]

the allies fall immediately if you actually invade it

[meager valley]

The +20% atk and def buff the US gets the Japanese should get on core too

[meager valley]

Or I could wait a week for the new dlc

[drowsy arrow]

That is very likely this dlc

[meager valley]

I hope

[drowsy arrow]

Ai is still ai

Unless you get true ai

[meager valley]

Faction rework gonna change it up, watch

[drowsy arrow]

This kind of scripted ai isn’t really good

[tepid crown]

Doubt it but we’ll see

[meager valley]

I’m not saying the AI will be more adept. But it will deploy differently

They will have differing priorities with the dlc than now and before

[drowsy arrow]

That won’t really be true

Unless the stars really align

[meager valley]

They legit have faction goals now that focus on key areas

So like if it functions as advertised it will be different

[tepid crown]

We’ll see if it does anything at all though

[drowsy arrow]

The devs are capable of making the game very hard but they want to cater to the average player so they won’t really do that

[meager valley]

Either nothing or they’ll deploy 420 divisions per tile against any enemy that goes against a goal

[tepid crown]

Betas

[meager valley]

Settings you can backdate to an earlier version

Just google how to change beta in hoi4

It’s in the same location

Hoping the goals work

Wdym

[tepid crown]

By clicking login button and logging or creating Pdx account

[misty fossil]

what are they doing in owb

[tepid crown]

Enclave reborn mod?

[misty fossil]

yes

[tepid crown]

Based

[toxic sapphire]

justification on italy a good idea no?(for claimed territory)

[rose siren]

with this new faction system, ahistorical will be less fun

[tepid crown]

That’s good, they should focus more on historical stuff

[trim pike]

I wonder how overhauled navy will be

Like in terms of actual game

[patent thistle]

time to refit those little shit ships into something usable

[rose siren]

yea but i am wondering then, if you have a fascist faction ( like germany faction) and you choose to form the berlin- moscow axis, how will that work then?

[patent thistle]

(yeah ukraine in road to 56 still gets them all for some reason)

[rose siren]

i hope that it will be easier to understand

[tepid crown]

It’s already easy

[patent thistle]

were ww2 corvettes even a thing-?

[tepid crown]

Yes, in vanilla they’re lumped in with destroyers

[patent thistle]

yes

[patent thistle]

ye i just have the mosquito fleet mod

[patent thistle]

is this how it feels like having no steel and trying to build a fleet-

oh yes i exactly know how it feels like-

[heavy vigil]

i was looking at ai japan

[patent thistle]

lol-

[zinc light]

You've never heard of Doki Doki Literature Club?

[misty fossil]

i have

[tepid crown]

No

[zinc light]

Oh dear

[misty fossil]

its over for monica

[zinc light]

NOOO MONICA!!!

You monster

[tepid crown]

Based

[toxic sapphire]

how does it know what i am

[tepid crown]

You playing with entire USA filled out

[misty fossil]

gonna take a while...

[tepid crown]

Nice. Legion in my game owns all of Mexico and had 2000 factories and 500 divisions

[misty fossil]

deadass

i just cheated

ive played ECR twice

[tepid crown]

Fair. I got beat up after killing NCR to the super mutants who attacked me instantly after. Had like 50-60 divisions to their 120

[misty fossil]

rip

i dont really like owb because of the horrible borders and river connectioon

connections

actually i genuinely despise it

[tepid crown]

I eventually pushed them back, then republic of three lakes and allies attacked me

[misty fossil]

damn

[zinc light]

I've Seen a few Videos about it, and the Focus trees are atrocious
Like, you need to study each individual Focus for HOURS to know what they do

[misty fossil]

that calls for cheating

[misty fossil]

on god

[tepid crown]

I only have like, 200 days before legion attacks

[zinc light]

Ah yes, totally indecipherable symbols with No tooltips

[tepid crown]

Same. I have like 400 military factories on planes

[tepid crown]

Might conditional surrender my current war before caeser attacks

[toxic sapphire]

btw taking barcelona before aragon appears makes it have 1/4 of the land it normally spawns with

discovered it myself

[sudden thistle]

👍

[zinc light]

It's Not Like cnt/fai is an actual issue, but still neat

[patent thistle]

do i get accuracy points?

[toxic sapphire]

it gets about this much land

shape reminds me of portugal ngl]

[zinc light]

If only that wasnt a core of carlist spain

[patent thistle]

carlists only spawn in a small piece of spain i am pretty sure

[toxic sapphire]

i might do it again but lazy to wait 1 year

im on austrian rn

[zinc light]

Doesnt change what I said tho

They get burgas and a little Bit around it, depending on which regions you picked

[paper echo]

turns out novum vexillum isnt that bad

[patent thistle]

.

[sudden thistle]

This took almost 11 years

[paper echo]

yeah

cuz i thought the enemy troops were gonna be good

[unique orbit]

how much will the upcoming dlc be?

[paper echo]

but turns out they were trash

[paper echo]

probably around 25 euros

[zinc light]

Yeah, 25 bucks seems to be the current default for Paradox
The Last 3 Stellaris DLCs were also 25 each

[patent thistle]

good boy

[paper echo]

it mostly depends if its a big expansion dlc or not

this one is an expansion so thats why its 25 euros

[zinc light]

Ah, yeah that's reasonable I assume

[zinc light]

Now to take Back carpathian ruthenia

[devout trench]

my beloved ck3 dlcs being 30 dollars

[patent thistle]

poland being casually partitioned

[sudden thistle]

Interesting indeed

[devout trench]

i know that photo from somewhere....

[zinc light]

Mommy? Sorry, Mommy? Sorry,

[zinc light]

Everyday business

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/gubby-roblox-forsaken-doors-gubby-forsaken-gif-193523705627044412

[patent thistle]

there goes a large part of the polish forces

turns out if you take lands from all your neighbours they arent going to apreachiate that

[dawn mango]

7 days till dlc

1 week yo

[patent thistle]

acceptable

[patent thistle]

will be after hungary takes it

or atleast after the french garantie of the czechs go poof

[toxic sapphire]

how tf did ai romania just navally invade turkey and bulgaria killing them 💔

[patent thistle]

the turkish ai just forgets how to use a navy

and romania somehow knows to use theres

[ripe slate]

Romania and Greece are somehow deceptively competent in most my games

[fair horizon]

many many destroyer = naval supremacy

[snow glacier]

welp i conquered south america now its time for invasion of africa

[daring geyser]

they're cooked

[zinc light]

Gah dayum

[paper echo]

thats crazy

[sudden thistle]

Endsieg

[still loom]

Green bubbles good
Red bubbles ew

[eternal aspen]

What in the balls?

[still loom]

I like to call it "Green bubble addiction"

[fading elk]

Is Ireland the last European country without a focus tree

[misty fossil]

old world blues

[fading elk]

(Not counting releasables cuz )

[misty fossil]

why cant i press on that message

i hate discord mobile

[eternal aspen]

no

Luxembourg doesn't have one

[fading elk]

Guess we got 2 nations left then

[last cave]

Guys gimme idea for sora ai hoi4 temed vid

[sudden thistle]

Albania

[last cave]

3

[sudden thistle]

I mean technically the releasables are countries

So a lot

[eternal aspen]

also, technically greenland can be considered EU land bc of denmark

but it's part of the New World

[fading elk]

Tbf u do usually need to go down certain paths to get them liek the yugo releasable path and etc

[zinc light]

There is no end to be sieged over

[still loom]

Aliens invade hoi4 universe

Whole map turns green

[zinc light]

And all rails lead to Moscow

[toxic sapphire]

not if you start from moscow

[zinc light]

Same goes for rome

[still loom]

https://tenor.com/view/all-roads-lead-to-rome-time-rabbit-gif-9497165517404307883

[toxic sapphire]

you can cycle to Rome though,trough continents

starting a book by the end doesnt mean you cant reach it again

[zinc light]

All roads lead to everywhere by this point nt

[fair horizon]

the funniest part about this is that the russians shipped all of the industry out of manchuria and back to russia when they gave the land back to china

anything that wasnt bolted down

[zinc light]

"Yeah we're leaving, and we're taking everything with us!"

[zinc light]

So basically true Romania experience?

Get romania'd

Except it wasnt stolen

Just reposessed

[heavy vigil]

hi chat whats up

[zinc light]

Hi casey whats down

[craggy trail]

[broken sky]

Trans-Siberian railway😍

[patent thistle]

it turned the second poland was forced to reposition troops to the german front

[heavy vigil]

making one

[solid schooner]

4 hours of tno

just to gain nothing

i love and hate this mod at the same time

[craggy trail]

A very story-driven mod. Great for long plays of reading and immersion

[still loom]

Bro I said Aliens not allies lmao

Like, extraterrestrials

[last cave]

Oh

[still loom]

That's why I said map turns green

[last cave]

Okay

[solid schooner]

another reason why i also loved it

yazov is already enough

[craggy trail]

The story is interesting, but the mechanics just aren't my cup of tea

[solid schooner]

its freaking luck based to be honest

based from my experience

[last cave]

While its generating watch this

[still loom]

Nuke does the talking

[patent thistle]

THE FRENCH GARANTIE JUST DROPPED = )

thank you very much mussolini

i totally will need that

[patent thistle]

now that is what i will want however

[still loom]

World tension 100

Absolute cinema

[last cave]

Lol

[paper echo]

took me ONLY 17 years

[patent thistle]

before anschluss

time to calm down and get ready for the man in moscow

[paper echo]

why does it look like germany is eating poland

[patent thistle]

greater german reich borders fr fr

i think this "might" be enough to deal with the russian navy considering i basically stole all battleships they had

[paper echo]

modern day greater german reich borders frfr

[paper echo]

its russian navy.youll demolish it easily

[patent thistle]

ye considering its not even the full russian navy

[paper echo]

well its not like russia has a good navy

[patent thistle]

to begin with*

[paper echo]

and they dont really build much

[patent thistle]

and all the 3 shit russian battleships i got i have refit

accuracy points?

[boreal crest]

hey
can anyone help
i made my own mod but i have no idea how to add it
like there no drag and drop
or anything
and the file path says it contains characters not compatible with windows WTF

[paper echo]

bruh i have a biology test tomorrow and im just sitting on my pc playing hoi4 novum vexillum

[toxic sapphire]

how do I go around maginot as monarch

[patent thistle]

ik anti air is usually better but i prefer secondaries

[paper echo]

did you put any symbols on the name or something

cuz i think you cant put special characters on windows names

[boreal crest]

an underscore

thats it

[paper echo]

you cant put that

i think

[boreal crest]

bruh

[paper echo]

imma see

maybe im wrong

[boreal crest]

nah its not that

[paper echo]

ok im wrong

[boreal crest]

lemme show u

[paper echo]

so is your problem uploading it on workshop

lets move it to #modding

[outer plume]

im finally done

[paper echo]

w

[boreal crest]

ight come

[patent thistle]

dont mind me i just stole the turkish navy

[patent thistle]

have you lost your will to live?

[obsidian bloom]

can you restore austro hungary and then form the eu?

or do you have to pick one

[patent thistle]

.

[uncut carbon]

no i think you gotta pick 1

[patent thistle]

why does this screen look so cursed-

[outer plume]

well i completely forgot how to play mp now since ive been playing singleplayer for the past 6 months

but at least i have 250 achievements

ts if this

[patent thistle]

i dont have a single one cause i mostly play modded

[outer plume]

you cant go ironman when you have all the chievements ?

[icy crescent]

Reset your options and you'd be fine.

[ripe slate]

Theres no point

[icy crescent]

That too.

[bright sinew]

So like

Does anyone use these

How do you use them in eg Africa, do you just do straight camelry? Low width?

[icy crescent]

But this would mean that your profile wouldn't be able to update either. Huh.

[torpid aspen]

Guys, how can I break through the defense? I'll puppet it.

[icy crescent]

You use them in Africa.
... there is not much more that should be said.
They good in desert.
You can transform your normal infantry divisions to camelry.
They tend to do good early.

[patent thistle]

love when modders casually break the fourth wall

[bright sinew]

Oh

[icy crescent]

Just note that they don't count as cavalry.

[bright sinew]

So like

I was-

Yes

That is exactly what I was confused about

They are under the mobile section

I was thinking I should just build them like I would cavalry divisions but, that would make them kind of too big for Africa's width(I build biggish cav since I use them until I get motorized)

[obsidian bloom]

well which one do i pick.

eu seems better tho

[uncut carbon]

AH is more fun

EU is stronger

EU is #1 most boring formables oat

[icy crescent]

Depends on the democratic nation.
Have fun forming it as Luxembourg.

[uncut pollen]

Should i go in war with japan?

[boreal crest]

can anyone help in #modding

[patent thistle]

ukrainian carrier ; )

[patent thistle]

if your ready, yes, if you arent just dont

[uncut pollen]

Do almoast 40 Divisions work?

And like alot of midget submarines

[patent thistle]

its mostly dependent on navy

and if you think you can hold the phillipines

[uncut pollen]

Meh

Not worth it to learn navy

[patent thistle]

bro if you plan on fighting japan you will need to somewhat understand it anyways 💀

[uncut pollen]

Leave china to its faith

[sudden thistle]

Navy is fun

[patent thistle]

rip austria btw

is romania suicidal-?

[copper sluice]

do modern tanks count as medium

[sudden thistle]

No

[remote quarry]

no

[sudden thistle]

They are just modern

[remote quarry]

they are a separate battalion

[outer plume]

oh sht sorry wrong channel

[copper sluice]

can I see what exactly affects my consumer goods anywhere

[sudden thistle]

Click on construction

Hover over the big toaster

[honest night]

@graceful oar

Add me

[patent thistle]

ukrainian sphere of influence is real

ukrainian carrier is going great forward

[buoyant flume]

Hi

[versed rapids]

w?

[crisp wyvern]

the type of stuff i wanna do to hollowbeing for doing the most outrageous borders known to man just for the sake of getting resources

border gore is my main weakness

[broken sky]

Almost the planned A-A line, but it stretches a bit more to Asia

[thick mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-me-head-smiling-friends-get-out-of-my-head-my-head-me-head-gif-7400622326871933876

[robust basalt]

chaos mod perchance?

[crisp wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-allan-red-mr-boss-glep-smiling-friends-gif-13758284101942521540

[thick mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/no-biting-smiling-friends-adult-swim-zach-hadel-michael-cusack-gif-24552494

[copper sluice]

oh military factories also increase consumer goods

[sudden thistle]

What?

They don’t

[remote quarry]

they do

it's the total factory

dockyards don't though

[bright sinew]

ayy

thanks for suggesting tihs mod btw

i am destroying democracy and rebuildign it in my own image

(i used some console commands to change faction names)

some of these foci are really op lol

[burnt kayak]

Guys can anyone help I game is so zoomed in how can I zoom out to the normal?

[tulip thorn]

Cinema

[bright sinew]

lmao

[tulip thorn]

The scroll wheel is for zooming in and out

Or u talking about the ui

[burnt kayak]

Ui

[tulip thorn]

I cant remember the name of the setting

I think its like ui scale

[burnt kayak]

Yeah I saw it but it’s locked behind experimentals

[remote quarry]

this looks normal?

[versed rapids]

in 1940

[remote quarry]

it just depends on the resolution of your screen

[burnt kayak]

No it’s not that

The ui itself is larger

[remote quarry]

compared to?

[tulip thorn]

You can still change it

It works fine

I have mine set to 0.9

[remote quarry]

like they are playing on a larger screen so their ui appear smaller

you can also change

this

but the icon might appear too small on your physical screen

[burnt kayak]

It’s locked

[tulip thorn]

I've literally never seen that before

why do you have everything else off but texture quality high

Not seeing rivers is also a disadvantage tbh

[grizzled zenith]

Are helicopters good?

[burnt kayak]

I know it suddenly changed to this

[grizzled zenith]

I can add them to my divs

But idk if I should

[remote quarry]

u need to change it to fullscreen

mode

[burnt kayak]

Ok let me try it

[patent thistle]

GIVE ME THE MOD AT THAT INSTAND

[knotty reef]

console commands

[remote quarry]

ok this might make your game screen look weird

just a warning

[burnt kayak]

Idk I think it fried my pc

It’s been loading for like 5 minutes

[remote quarry]

it interacts weirdly with the system scaling I think

it has never worked for me

just

what you had I think it's the normal scaling for a 2k screen

[burnt kayak]

I think it’s working since it zoomed out like it used to

[remote quarry]

oh ok then it's good

[burnt kayak]

Yesss much better like thisss

Thanks guys @remote quarry @tulip thorn

[patent thistle]

gives me a good reason to invade germany -_-

(will create a russian puppet)

[zinc light]

oh no I got the bug where germany never replaces Mackensen

lemme just tag over to him and do the monarchy compromise, since that's apparently an option but they just aint doing it

[snow glacier]

look at that encirclement so many enemy divisions

[patent thistle]

the moment when the focustree has so much stuff that the AI doesnt know what to do:

[snow glacier]

and the other units got overun

so over 2 or 3 mil dead from that

[zinc light]

oh its doing stuff

just not the political stuff

[umbral agate]

can this my by heavy td base?

[patent thistle]

time to kill germany ig

welcome yugoslavia?

[zinc light]

UK di early churchill

[daring geyser]

only if its a convert, but still wrong

diesel engine isn't worth it

[umbral agate]

it is a convert

[daring geyser]

go for torsion bar

use either all small cannon or 3 small cannon and radio

[craggy trail]

https://discord.com/events/183787140671471616/1438585414494457896

[umbral agate]

its sheeps mod

[heavy vigil]

hearts of iron VI

[umbral agate]

not base

[daring geyser]

and gasoline engine

[daring geyser]

vanilla meta still applies

[heavy vigil]

mostly

sheep added a lot of bloat

[umbral agate]

yea cuz in sp is very different

[remote quarry]

yes

[daring geyser]

the only things wrong with the convert model is that it lacks radio/4th cannon and should be gasoline engine and torsion bar

[heavy vigil]

no thats correct

[umbral agate]

wait so, if i have 2 heavy tanks , one armour meme and 1 TD can i convert it

[heavy vigil]

if you dont have radio 3 and want to use radio 3 you leave it open

[umbral agate]

cant i use radio 2?

[heavy vigil]

the armor meme will be seperate

[daring geyser]

didnt know that one

[heavy vigil]

since it needs different modules

[daring geyser]

then torsion and gasoline engine only

[heavy vigil]

and probably a medium turret if you want break

[umbral agate]

but wont it mess up the conversion

[daring geyser]

make your armor meme SPAA

[heavy vigil]

no?

[patent thistle]

dont think germany was ready for a new eastern front

[umbral agate]

alr

[heavy vigil]

just dont have it count as outdated lol

[remote quarry]

ok no

just don't make armor meme

there's no point anyway

[umbral agate]

there is

[zinc light]

Bro it's not that deep 🥀

[remote quarry]

you cannot convert two lines together

[umbral agate]

i get way more armour

[daring geyser]

armor meme is good if they're specifically doing AT

for inf

otherwise ehh

[remote quarry]

i mean heavy tank is already a meh

waste of ic

but whatever

[daring geyser]

against sheep ai probably yeah

[heavy vigil]

kinda depends on your modifiers imo

if your modifiers are busted like germany you ofc do heavy tank

[remote quarry]

just do 14/17 armor clicks and kill ai before they get at 3

[heavy vigil]

because significantly more stat

[remote quarry]

only time I would consider it is if I have veterans modifiers

really

then I would make tank even if im mass mob germany

[heavy vigil]

thats free

its so shrimple to get

[remote quarry]

how you get it to not mess up conversion, also, is that you can have two chassis

like a line of improved heavy spaa

and basic heavy tank

[umbral agate]

k

[remote quarry]

ofc you don't need armor meme especially before 1942

[umbral agate]

also how do i break through belgium more easily

[daring geyser]

SPAA tanks for armor meme is the ones you should always do tho

SPAA battalions use less eqp

[heavy vigil]

you use your OP stats

and click

[remote quarry]

having stats

[umbral agate]

they last stand so much

[daring geyser]

use vets

[heavy vigil]

that doesnt matter

[umbral agate]

what modifiers do i need

[remote quarry]

it would run out

[umbral agate]

i can get vets on like 6 divs only

[heavy vigil]

like you should have 80-100% planning, +25% or something stupid state buff, +25 to+37% general skill buff and another like 10-20% terrain buff

[daring geyser]

just vets are enough to breakthrough, then just stack the army attack advisor, max planning on gbp and general with grinded attack levels, field marshall with thorough planner

[heavy vigil]

air buff is nice but not mandatory

[remote quarry]

most significant one is experience(it's a spanish veteran converted to tank)
air support is just cas
terrain is from ranger
country is from high command(grinded combined arms expert)
commander skill is from grinded gen/fm
planning is becasue of gbp
state is the german operation planning

[umbral agate]

how do you get the state buff

[daring geyser]

blitzkrieg decision

[remote quarry]

blitzkrieg

decision

[heavy vigil]

click decision

[umbral agate]

oh

that

[patent thistle]

considering i am mostly just using refits of some old soviet ships and one good carrier its a good engagement

[daring geyser]

tbf sheep ai is 😴 honestly

[heavy vigil]

why the subs

[patent thistle]

not mine

[daring geyser]

you just have to play semi good to beat it

[daring geyser]

i did it without even doing vets once

not sheeps fault but more like the hoi4 ai is so unorthodox

[sudden thistle]

I think I beat it with guns only sovs

[patent thistle]

those are fr*nch and dutch so not mine

[heavy vigil]

ai works better in ahist imo

since players cant prep optimally

[patent thistle]

i havent build a single sub this entire game

[fierce mist]

MOD?

[umbral agate]

also which designer do i sue

use*

cuz i have 2 on the other

from the start

[heavy vigil]

why is porsche levelled up

[sudden thistle]

What tanks are u doing

[heavy vigil]

trash MIO

[daring geyser]

henschel for the tanks and daimler-benz for prod iirc

[patent thistle]

rt56 and mosquito ships

[daring geyser]

dont use porsche

[umbral agate]

you start with it

[calm delta]

Love getting warned for trying to help people

[heavy vigil]

oh ok if you start with levels on your MIO its because sheep wants you to use it to lose

[sudden thistle]

(Free MIO traits

Think about it

Free…!

[daring geyser]

same thing as a free candy van

[sudden thistle]

I’m hungry hmu if u find one

[umbral agate]

i was just asking cuz i thought the 5% cap might be better for mroe stuff untill i get benz leveled up

[heavy vigil]

2 levels on MAN 😍

[remote quarry]

depends on if you grind daimler benz on the medium tan

[daring geyser]

i think you grind henschel to lvl 6 then grind benz? tho i dont play germ

[remote quarry]

if you don't, you first level up henschel

then you swap to porsche

[patent thistle]

not giving the fake french a break

[umbral agate]

also should i make a light tank for spain or just continue making the ones i start with and change it later for a recon

[patent thistle]

thats what you get for switching sides

[remote quarry]

you always have your tank on the design mio to level it up first

then you swap to the production MIO

[heavy vigil]

just put like 2-3 factories on it since the start and forget about it

you even start with 7 xp to change it

[daring geyser]

oh yeah casey remember that germany build that you were gonna do

[remote quarry]

you should spend that on template though

[daring geyser]

and you ended up not being able to play

[remote quarry]

instead of desining the tank

[daring geyser]

and you wanted 10 mils on light tanks

[heavy vigil]

i was trolling mostly

when talking to u

i wasnt actually gonna throw like that 😭

[daring geyser]

damn am i autistic

[heavy vigil]

yes

[daring geyser]

i didnt understand casey irony 😭

[remote quarry]

remember that designers only level up when you use them on the production line

[candid pecan]

can someone check ask for help here

[remote quarry]

so to level it up you need to put henschel for production

[heavy vigil]

50 dockyard germany to invade the US META

[candid pecan]

can someone check #ask-for-help-here

[fading elk]

So been doing democratic Germany

Good news is almsot all of Europe in the alliance

[patent thistle]

man i love this rag tag fleet of refit soviet battleships, the realistic Arkhangelsk and some random bullshit go

[fading elk]

Bad news is the Comintern, Italian league and east Asia all went to war with us at the same time

[umbral agate]

what division templates do i use for spain

[fading elk]

So if one my allies like Romania are being eaten alive

[remote quarry]

spend your starting xp to add calvary to the starting light tank

until it's 36 width

then depending on your grinding strategy

[daring geyser]

casey after doing a dockyard germany testbuild "deutchsland deutchsland deutchsland uber allen"...

[remote quarry]

you make a copy of the template with fewer tanks so it counts as a calvary

if you are lazy(like me), you send half calvary, half light tank so you gain xp towards calvary and panzer traits at the same time

same for china

or japan

[heavy vigil]

you dont understand meta

220 civs from US or whatever

[daring geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295333970682183796/1368975677436461106/caption.gif

[heavy vigil]

TAC HUGE

i just got construction 1

🥳

[grizzled zenith]

Yaaay

Now I can do my homework

[daring geyser]

you feast on technology whilst i gave up on my ukraine run because i saw germany was going to kill russia and i would have to fight a war against an omega germany that borders me from all directions

[grizzled zenith]

In what mod?

[daring geyser]

vanilla

[grizzled zenith]

Ok

[heavy vigil]

i have like 100h or something on ukraine actually

its an ok nation

[copper sluice]

how do I make armored support vehicles?

[daring geyser]

research the special project

[remote quarry]

do the special project

[heavy vigil]

land facility > do project

[grizzled zenith]

Yes, it has the most cores out of all releasables(excluding their formables obviously)

Also the only coastline in the Black Sea so Allies can't get to you if you're friends with Turkey

[daring geyser]

i like ukraine because i like the country irl

my best friend's ukrainian

[copper sluice]

and then?

[heavy vigil]

isnt it similar to nigeria

[heavy vigil]

produce the thing you get

[grizzled zenith]

Idk

I heard Ukraine has the most cores

[umbral agate]

max vols is 8 right

lr 7

[daring geyser]

9 with legion condor

[umbral agate]

or*

[coarse willow]

bro 😭

[umbral agate]

should i do legion

[daring geyser]

i dont do germany builds but ive seen ppl do it

[heavy vigil]

YES

[heavy vigil]

max is like

[umbral agate]

alr

[heavy vigil]

9 to spain

11? to japan

[daring geyser]

@heavy vigil how do i boot the game?!?!?!?!?

[heavy vigil]

9? to manchu

[umbral agate]

i thought it was bad

[heavy vigil]

and 8? to mengku

[umbral agate]

i never see anyone pick it

[daring geyser]

they're special

if you can get more vets you get more vets

[grizzled zenith]

Like 23

[heavy vigil]

i showed you how to do that without war and yet you dont do that every game? yurious

[tribal frost]

hello

[quick trout]

Whats the best ship design to use?

[quick trout]

Yo

[tribal frost]

sup

[grizzled zenith]

Cheap sub spam with the least visibility you can do

[grizzled zenith]

And also cheap naval bombers

It works every game for me

[patent thistle]

WHAT THE ACTUAL-

[unkempt zodiac]

i will die before i figure out how this games ai functions

[daring geyser]

as most nations which already start with a decent navy you're going to use exclusively light cruisers with maxxed out light attack and 4 (slightly more if you know how to exploit it) carriers with maxxed out airplane slots

[quick trout]

Doo youu havee a design cus i have no step back

[daring geyser]

works against the AI but not against humans

[south cove]

Did someone played the modern day Mod?

[grizzled zenith]

Obviously

[daring geyser]

also not really efficient

[quick trout]

I onlyy playy singleplay dontt worry

[heavy vigil]

its easy

[grizzled zenith]

Once you're big enough to require those subs you can afford them

[heavy vigil]

just think what stuff you wouldnt do

[zinc light]

Poland looking very large and in charge

[heavy vigil]

the ai does those

[grizzled zenith]

Also naval bombers are my main naval weapon

[unkempt zodiac]

the randomness is very shitty

[grizzled zenith]

Subs are only for naval supermacy

[heavy vigil]

theyre only random because you dont coordinate with ai like ai does

[zinc light]

I didnt puppet the czechs because that'd take me straight to war with germany if they demand it

[heavy vigil]

you are the random factor

[quick trout]

Soo i should build cruisers and sups

[grizzled zenith]

If you have Gotterdammerung, cruiser sub with anechoic tiles and torpedoes should do

[daring geyser]

i'm saying it's not efficient as not in "its expensive" i mean as in it doesn't work

[daring geyser]

as efficiently

[heavy vigil]

wooo

i got AT 1

[grizzled zenith]

I only build subs but you can build them too

[daring geyser]

with the same IC you can kill a navy with light cruisers

[heavy vigil]

tech going WILD

[quick trout]

So lightt cruiserss andd subss ans carriers whit naval bombers

[grizzled zenith]

I mean, by the time I use my 2000 subs I've destroyed the Allied fleet with naval bombers

[grizzled zenith]

Yes

Small naval bombers

[daring geyser]

i also destroyed the allied fleet with the starting german navy XD

the AI dies to everything

[umbral agate]

yo casey how do i do the planning bug

[daring geyser]

as long as you doomstack

doesnt mean something is good

or that you should do it

[grizzled zenith]

With the best bombs and engine you can

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-cat-kitten-kitty-shy-gif-17733420

[quick trout]

How gng

[grizzled zenith]

How lmao

[daring geyser]

have air superiority and a trained stack + base strike doctrine + admiral traits and the ai's divided fleet dies

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-bob-minions-the-rise-of-gru-um-hi-waving-gif-26763577

[grizzled zenith]

Anyways small naval bombers with good small fighters pretty are safe

[inland perch]

Hey guys im new

[daring geyser]

subspam is not an efficient way to kill navies i don't think you should be recommending it

[quick trout]

So base strike doctrine iss thee best?

[heavy vigil]

or efficient for getting supremacy either 😭

[quick trout]

Yo

[copper sluice]

lol

[daring geyser]

yeah

[heavy vigil]

its really efficient at annoying a bad player

[inland perch]

I smell a socialist

[daring geyser]

for supremacy you need max manpower carriers

[grizzled zenith]

I mean I kill it with naval bombers subs are for supermacy to invade

[quick trout]

Yes

[grizzled zenith]

I think I've also tried cruiser spam

[unkempt zodiac]

damn bro how did you figure that

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/tasty-pulp-fiction-beverage-drink-samuel-l-jackson-gif-15381845487398406049

[daring geyser]

it's better if you have subs to bait out navy THEN kill the navy with a good light attack cruiser navy, combined with green air and navs

[heavy vigil]

im gonna invade iran for oil brb

[daring geyser]

that's efficient

[quick trout]

😭

[inland perch]

Im big brained like that

[daring geyser]

just using subs and navs isn't

[unkempt zodiac]

detective work

[grizzled zenith]

Worked out somewhat fine they didn't get destroyed the second I used them like the last time but I couldn't get enough supermacy with them

[daring geyser]

,

[inland perch]

Im just nonchalant like that

[grizzled zenith]

Ok

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-aww-cute-love-so-cute-cat-gif-292935567208914472

[grizzled zenith]

What's efficient in MP btw?

Just wodering

[inland perch]

Are you a communist too?

[daring geyser]

those are the two ships youre going to ever build as a navy nation in mp

and it is also the meta for SP

[quick trout]

Whatt do you usee for Sp?

[daring geyser]

that and doctrine, admiral traits but primarily air superiority and an ungodly amount of navs are the deciding factor

[grizzled zenith]

So just those 2 and that's it?

[candid pecan]

are you on windows xp

[daring geyser]

if you're the USA and Japan or the UK which are the only MP nations that can do some navy yeah

[grizzled zenith]

Naval bombers my beloved XD

[heavy vigil]

the important thing is that they tried

[daring geyser]

or italy

but on SP you need at least some capitals

[grizzled zenith]

What if I decide to build a small navy as Greece?

[daring geyser]

so light cruiser spam doesn't work

[quick trout]

More marxist but yes

[quick trout]

Works for singleplayer too?

[zinc light]

how u like my chonky boi

[inland perch]

I might have made the Whole world facist and its like 2048 or sommet like that...

[remote quarry]

use armor 4💀

[daring geyser]

usually steal some ai bot's navy, for example you can cap jap or the uk to get their navy, but if you want to make it from scratch, you need to build 10-15 battleships then proceed with the spam, maybe some destroyers too

[grizzled zenith]

That's the meta for singleplayer but you'll need some capital ships. But naval bombers are needed too

[daring geyser]

i just got the image from RB

cuz i dont want to screenshot my own

since id have to boot up hoi

[quick trout]

Thanksss man

[remote quarry]

💀 yes idk why everyone send this notorious design

[grizzled zenith]

Ok, thanks

[remote quarry]

only building light cruiser works

and it's the most efficient way

[grizzled zenith]

Np, naval bombers are very important in mp too(as tac said)

[candid pecan]

what are the companies on the top and bottom

[daring geyser]

light cruiser spam works really well if you already have a navy though

[inland perch]

https://tenor.com/view/dekeskui-dekeskoui-gif-20086751

[daring geyser]

if you dont have capitals then you need at least some

[remote quarry]

it works especially well when you don't start with a navy

what

[quick trout]

Flamethrower tanks and the other one is uhh somethingg you get whit a special project

[remote quarry]

you don't need any capital

[candid pecan]

whats the special project called

also i swear flamethrower tank is also a special project

[quick trout]

Ill lookk waitt

[candid pecan]

like

[quick trout]

Yes they are

[candid pecan]

flammpanzer or something

[grizzled zenith]

Flamethrower tank is the top one and the bottom one is armored engineers which you get from special projects too

[quick trout]

Ja

[daring geyser]

you do tho? it's efficient until a certain point, but we don't do it in MP because all navy nations already start with sufficient capitals

[grizzled zenith]

It's Flammenpanzer for Germany

For other nations it has a different name

[remote quarry]

if you start with no navy

you build light cruisers first

and it turns out only buildng light cruiser is enough

[grizzled zenith]

I started as Greece but I also stole Vichy's navy

[remote quarry]

this is worse than the interwar biplane unironically

[daring geyser]

it's enough but practically anything is enough in SP tbf

[remote quarry]

not navy?

navy is an ic contest

[zinc light]

the hell is an interwar byplane

[remote quarry]

you just won't win navy with 5 docks

[grizzled zenith]

SP is just a sandbox

[remote quarry]

even agaisnt ai

[quick trout]

Armoured Vehicle Special Project

[quick trout]

Real

[daring geyser]

the ai splits up their navy and if you have any sizeable navy + green air and navs over the zone you just win

it's an IC contest but the ai is so bad at allocating their often gigantic navies that you can pull off stunts like killing the UK navy with the german navy without building docks

[remote quarry]

like this plane is better than the heavy fighter you posted

[remote quarry]

well the point still stands that you only build light cruiser...

anyway

[zinc light]

I am well aware that small fighters are technically better

I just like my chonky bois

and so far

it always worked for me

so let me enjoy this moment of bliss

[remote quarry]

ok it's jsut that your deisgn is ahh

very off

[umbral agate]

do i need cav leader on my tank general

[remote quarry]

roughly to evaluate how good your plane is you can calculate

[zinc light]

the design or just the fact its a heavy fighter?

[grizzled zenith]

Why not use something like that template?(Or its cheaper version if you don't have engines 4 and the best plane researched)

[remote quarry]

air attack * air defense / cost ^2

[remote quarry]

both

using modules that increase cost(specifically, the triple engine) is very very bad

[remote quarry]

because it was a /s

[daring geyser]

you do need some carriers and some capitals if you want absolutely the maximum attack tho? it's not built in MP cuz it takes way too much time AND all navy majors already have enough capitals

technically you can refit carriers to get more damage out, but most people don't do it as well not because it's not good but because ultimately you win if you have enough LCs and a bazillion trillion navs

[quick trout]

Is 960 hours much

[sharp sierra]

blue origin is now the second company to have a reusable orbital rocket

[remote quarry]

no and no

[quick trout]

What

[remote quarry]

ok in mp nobody cares about navy

multiple tests have shown that capitals beat light cruisers

[grizzled zenith]

Oh ok

[remote quarry]

under a wide range of conditions

[remote quarry]

people still build them regardless

[zinc light]

so u suggest something more like this?

[grizzled zenith]

What mod?

[remote quarry]

the reason you have to build light cruisers is that if you start out having no navy

you have to have screens

[quick trout]

Is 960 hours much

[remote quarry]

so you need to build light cruisers anyway

[patent thistle]

rt56

is the main mod here

[grizzled zenith]

Nice

[daring geyser]

screens + capitals

[grizzled zenith]

Use light fighter bro

[remote quarry]

this is much better

[zinc light]

no.

[quick trout]

What do you think guys

[zinc light]

screw you with your light fighter propaganda, I will not.

[remote quarry]

the correct design is this

[grizzled zenith]

You're just wasting IC at this point

[zinc light]

I do not care.

I like big chonky planes with lots of guns

[grizzled zenith]

A light fighter would be like that but twice as cheap

[patent thistle]

who in there right mind builds heavy fighters-

[quick trout]

Is 960 hours much

[zinc light]

I am WELL AWARE

but I DO NOT WANT TO

[grizzled zenith]

Sure

[zinc light]

not even a Radio? damn

[grizzled zenith]

Radio mostly helps to bombing iirc

[daring geyser]

the best HF is advanced medium airframe with max heavy guns and self sealing + axial jet engine

but axial jet engine is optional

just engine 3 is minimal

[zinc light]

it's basically a 5% buff

[remote quarry]

it doesn't do anything

[quick trout]

Guys do you think 960 hours is much

[grizzled zenith]

It's good

[daring geyser]

most ppl ik avg around 2000 hours

[grizzled zenith]

You've completed the tutorial

Just like me

[zinc light]

makes em 10% better half of the time

[tribal frost]

hosting MP game join first mp vc

[daring geyser]

linux mint installation customized to look like windows 7 aero

[remote quarry]

that's most likely not how it works

ok it's actually unclear

I have tested it a while ago

it doesn't give you better trades

but it was on one specific design

[patent thistle]

bro the german navy was being held together with ductape-

[grizzled zenith]

XD

[patent thistle]

also no i still dont have by blood alone, i just use a mod called "seize puppet navy"

[zinc light]

oh so my game just crashed

how convenient

[grizzled zenith]

XD

[daring geyser]

the dlc that allows you to seize navy is MTG 🙏

[patent thistle]

to bad the scharnhorst and gneisenau were properly sunk on the way back home : /

[patent thistle]

no

dont get the decision

[daring geyser]

yup

[patent thistle]

no i dont get the option in peacedeals

[daring geyser]

damn i forgor MTG became free

guess it is BBA

[patent thistle]

not even the the former italian fleet is in a great state-

and my capital ships barely have a scratch on them

even the license ship i made for a bit of realism

[remote quarry]

also there's only one night sortie
so my guess of how it works: the only thing in the game that indicates there being a night penalty is in the province modifier

night = { # On province. Multiplied by amount of darkness.
    air_bombing_targetting = -0.5
    carrier_traffic = -1.0
    naval_hit_chance = -0.25
    naval_retreat_speed = 0.1
    air_attack_factor = -0.50
}

we know the night penalty modifier multiplicatively modify this, meaning you get 5% less penalty at night(effectively around 7.5% increase let's say? since there are other additive multipliers)

so the net effect is that you have effectively 1/3 * 7.5% = 2.5% more air attack overall

but your plane is also 1 IC more expensive. If say your base cost is 50 IC that's 2% more expensive, meaning that your trade is 4% worse

[patent thistle]

💀

[remote quarry]

this would explain the test result that it makes the plane worse

[patent thistle]

NOT MY FAULT-

welcome in the faction luxembourg ig-

[grizzled zenith]

What mod is that btw, r56?

[patent thistle]

"Nah i dont have bias"

[patent thistle]

r56

[grizzled zenith]

Cool

[grizzled zenith]

European Union?

[patent thistle]

ukraine

greater ukraine

[grizzled zenith]

Oh right

Greater Ukraine has this colour in R56?

[patent thistle]

they get that wierd dark blue ah colour

[patent thistle]

yep

[grizzled zenith]

EU ahh colour

[patent thistle]

EU is actually a little lighter of a blue

this more looks like a purple mix to me

[grizzled zenith]

Ok

[grizzled zenith]

Vanilla hoi4 has Greater Ukraine too btw

But to achieve that you need to play Germany 😭😭😭

[toxic cypress]

insane mods

[patent thistle]

greater ukraine is "a little" bigger in Rt56

[grizzled zenith]

True

[grizzled zenith]

If Ukraine is a dominion of a non aligned Germany with no mods it has this name

And the leader and Cuban is from a decision for monarchist Germany

[grizzled zenith]

And Crimea, I forgor it isn't a core too normally

[toxic cypress]

talking bout ur other mods

[patent thistle]

cam see the axis navies did not have a great time

[grizzled zenith]

Oh, forgot about that XD

I have 4 mods for different Hitler portraits depending on the mood lmao

[candid pecan]

is ts good

[candid pecan]

isnt that the naval dude

[patent thistle]

ye

this looks so god dam cursed-

[spiral marsh]

Does anyone know if there is a way I can get the total graphic redux mod combined with another custom portrait mod?

[grizzled zenith]

Yeah that's fine

[grizzled zenith]

But flamethrower tanks are really good try adding them if you can

[daring geyser]

nope

unless you don't have NSB the tanks have some really low stats

always use mech

don't do that as 40w doesn't fit 2 tanks in most tiles

36w is better than 40w

[daring geyser]

and add medium flame tanks