hoi4-general

[eternal palm]

Reading helps.

[safe wing]

laughs in Coral Sea, Midway and Solomons

[toxic sapphire]

but i dont know what zat is

[fair horizon]

tbf we only had 3 carriers at the start of the war iirc

[eternal palm]

A fking gun

Any gun

U need to design the tank

[toxic sapphire]

oh ty

[safe wing]

UK got their asses kicked in Malaysia, and Sri Lanka

[eternal palm]

Bros a native English speaker and can't speak his own language 🥀

[toxic sapphire]

no im not

im balkan

[fair horizon]

yeah bad decision making from the command there tbh

[safe wing]

they were the second best navy of WWII

[cobalt imp]

quantity isn't everything

[toxic sapphire]

which one should i go for tho

[safe wing]

it is

because Japan got ground to powder

[fair horizon]

except they were quite good quality too

[scenic spade]

i took supply hub

[eternal palm]

Howitzer

Medium armament

[safe wing]

Essex class carriers

[toxic sapphire]

10 unsupplied panzers vs 1 trained supplied panzer

[eternal palm]

Found under arty research

[fair horizon]

and we could train pilots in almost complete safety on the sable and wolverine in lake michigan

[safe wing]

I'm talking carriers not panzers

[cobalt imp]

lmao look it up

[toxic sapphire]

i only have light n heavy tho

[eternal palm]

Then research arty

[cobalt imp]

royal navy was known for its hundreds of years of experience and its high quality

[safe wing]

Essex Class Carriers were fantastic

[toxic sapphire]

example tho

[fair horizon]

we made like almost 30 essex class carriers

[safe wing]

27

and not a single one was lost

[plush lodge]

hi

[fair horizon]

quantity is a quality of its own

ask the japanese how easy it was for them to replace pilots/carriers

[safe wing]

UK's navy was smaller in WWII than WWI

[scenic spade]

mencukuo capped

[safe wing]

like the UK had a larger navy in WWI

[cobalt imp]

it didn't

[sudden thistle]

USA FOREVER RAHH 🦅 🦅 🦅 🇱🇷 🇱🇷 🇱🇷 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🐗 🐗 🐗 🐗 🐗 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[safe wing]

it did

[fair horizon]

you can have a high quality ship but if it doesnt have the proper support structure its gonna lose anyways (get wrecked bismarck)

[cobalt imp]

the royal navy was its biggest ever in ww2 it was just still smaller than the us navy

[brittle cypress]

In terms of tonnage or just number of ships?

[fair horizon]

it did

[safe wing]

both

[brittle cypress]

China has a bigger navy than the USA if you go by number of ships

[safe wing]

wait no

[fair horizon]

yeah but its a greenwater navy so meh

[safe wing]

the UK did have a bigger fleet

[sudden thistle]

Peak

[safe wing]

in WWII

[cobalt imp]

no, 1620 ww1 and something like 4k in ww2

[safe wing]

622 to 1200

[cobalt imp]

just not true lmao

[safe wing]

it is

[cobalt imp]

look it up

[plush lodge]

how do i even play this game

[safe wing]

why do you think the USA navy was weak

[eternal palm]

By playing.

[safe wing]

I mean Japans navy was non existant in 1945

[eternal palm]

If you have to ask this question, play the tutorial

[cobalt imp]

???

[eternal palm]

It's there for a reason

[cobalt imp]

when did i ever say the us navy was weak

[plush lodge]

obviously its just like SO MUCH buttons and i dont understand anything of this

[safe wing]

well you act like the carriers we made were bad or something

the pre war ones bar the Yorktown Class ones yes

[eternal palm]

Play the tutorial.

[cobalt imp]

i said quality matters, that goes from ship design to admiral experience etc

[eternal palm]

It's there for a reason.

[safe wing]

true Essex class was a good design

[fair horizon]

and the usa had on average the best quality naval aviators

[cobalt imp]

that's why at the start of the war the royal navy was considered better

[safe wing]

fair

[fair horizon]

the royal navy was better by literal amount of ships compared to the usa navy

[cobalt imp]

but like yeah i'll be the first one to admit the us navy exploded and got wayy better

[safe wing]

in terms of experince yeah the Royal navy was better in 1939

[cobalt imp]

soviet union navy was unmatched

all 5 ships

[safe wing]

it wasn't a blue water navy

[fair horizon]

before or after they spontaneously combusted in port?

[safe wing]

it was a costal defense one

it was designed to protect the coasts and commerece raid

the latter of which they couldn't in the Baltic because Germany litterally built a net across the gulf of Finland

[cobalt imp]

The royal navy now is tiny

crazy how far it dropped

[fair horizon]

so is their empire

[cobalt imp]

it's all about the nuclear submarines

[safe wing]

Hitler was an idiot for wanting to do Plan Z

[toxic sapphire]

how bout now

[cobalt imp]

Never ask a german sailor what happed outside of norway

[safe wing]

Narvik

what a cluster F

[fair horizon]

HMS Glorious moment

[safe wing]

some idiot on this server thought that Germany just needed oil from Venuzuela and the Azores from Portugal and they could win

[toxic sapphire]

rate german design 1-10

[cobalt imp]

germany had zero chance of winning ww2

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-nuke-truth-true-soyjak-wojak-gif-14828627546768133163

[cobalt imp]

try to get a medium flame tank support company in there too and an armoured engineer company

[fair horizon]

you're gonna make a wehraboo cry

[toxic sapphire]

maybe cuz hitler stupid to the point where even with uk hed fumble

[marsh ravine]

Replace motorised recon with armoured recon, add flame tanks and replace motorised with mechanised if possible

[cobalt imp]

Operation sealion would've been the worst operation ever

[safe wing]

a photo of our convo

[toxic sapphire]

real

[cobalt imp]

D-day but without naval supremacy, air supremacy, ample supplies or technology

[marsh ravine]

Why would germany get the azores it was portuguese😭

[cobalt imp]

Romania was their only oil source

[fair horizon]

why would germany get poland? it was polish 😭

[safe wing]

he liked Germany for some idiotic relgious reasons

[eternal palm]

That's different

[fair horizon]

well sorta yeah

[eternal palm]

The azores are in bumfuck Atlantic

Poland is right there

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/true-truth-nuke-super-truth-nova-truth-meme-gif-16889273424352737553

[cobalt imp]

If germany got to the caucases, the russians would blow it up before they got there

[eternal palm]

And Germany surely didn't have the resources to defend islands that far off

[safe wing]

his whole argument was that Germany could get the Azores they could win because they could get oil from Venezuela

[sudden thistle]

How long would it even take reinforcements to get to azores

[safe wing]

which is stupid

[fair horizon]

honestly plan z was probably their only naval option after anti-sub warfare kicked off

[eternal palm]

That's literally what happened lmao. When the Germans got to krasnodar and maykop the Russians put steel pipes into the oil Refineries and made them unusable

[safe wing]

at the cost of resources to the army

[eternal palm]

With what steel

[safe wing]

considering their main enemy was the USSR

[fair horizon]

right, not a good option but the only one left

[eternal palm]

And the fuel

A larger navy wouldn't have fixed the problem

[marsh ravine]

Gurl how are they even getting to the azores is what I mean

[safe wing]

Germany borders the USSR which was their main enemy

a navy ain't gonna save the eastern front

[cobalt imp]

lmaoo true

[sudden thistle]

Wait hear me out

Give the naval ships

Tank tracks

[eternal palm]

🤯

[sudden thistle]

Then it will win the eastern front

[eternal palm]

Icic

[sudden thistle]

If it sinks in the marshes it’s a boat anyways

[safe wing]

Soviets would have 100% blown up Baku

if the Germans got close to it

[cobalt imp]

it's actually so sad that ww2 happened because it wasnt needed at all

all that death for no reason

[sudden thistle]

Come back tomorrow for life changing tips 🗣️

[cobalt imp]

atleast we have hoi4 tho

[fair horizon]

but im here now

[safe wing]

and all the other world war 2 games too

[sudden thistle]

True

[eternal palm]

They would have. As they did in maykop and krasnodar

[tulip thorn]

I dont know if I should be upset or happy

[safe wing]

thats exactly my thought

[fair horizon]

upsetti spaghetti

didnt even take out a single capital smh

[tulip thorn]

Im sure its fine

[eternal palm]

Screening is gone though

[tulip thorn]

If only

The americans refuse to engage my actual fleet its lowkey pissing me off

[safe wing]

Horse Archers were the best type of soldier until the invention of fire arms

all because of firepower and maneuverability

[fair horizon]

still not enough screens lmao

[safe wing]

Carhae is a good example of this

[fair horizon]

chat how do i make this cheaper?

besides mio*

[safe wing]

Crassus was an idiot

He thought he could conquer the Parthian Empire because Caesar his rival was winning in Gaul

[inner wraith]

?

[tulip thorn]

Easy maintenance?

[fair horizon]

dont have that

guatemala rough

[inner wraith]

I want to solve the problem

[quiet vessel]

sorry but do you do anything but message on this server everytime ive messaged my mates (3 times today) i quickly check this and you're always speaking do you acc do anything else

[safe wing]

0/10 rage bate

Try again

[toxic sapphire]

its sad having all dlc and being unable to find guides

[tulip thorn]

You already using the cheapest gun and turret?

[fair horizon]

a lot of this game is just experience and learning

[quiet vessel]

answer the question

[tepid crown]

It’s already 4ic how cheap do you want it

[quiet vessel]

also its bait*

[fair horizon]

well cheapest artillery gun

[tulip thorn]

The best way to learn is to play after all

[fair horizon]

cheaper

[tulip thorn]

This is true

[real tulip]

hungary unites with austria ❌ hungary anschluss ✅

[safe wing]

I have told you before I work 4 hours a day 5 days a week and workout at the gym by walking the track for 30 minutes at the end of each day

[tulip thorn]

The best thing to play as a new player is Poland in sheeps mod

[inner wraith]

?

[sudden thistle]

True

[tepid crown]

L

[tulip thorn]

Go to tech support

[fair horizon]

chat im dumb

[tulip thorn]

#tech-support

[quiet vessel]

4 hours a day😭😭 my 18 year old sister does more hours in a week with a part time job

[fair horizon]

i built light tanks for recon

and i dont have recon company

[safe wing]

22 usd per hour

[real tulip]

tell the error to double it and give it to the next person, should work

[quiet vessel]

you still didnt answer the question why have you been on this server all damn day

[inner jewel]

I got all these achievements in 1 game lol

[safe wing]

Because I’m killing time before work

[quiet vessel]

around 5 hours ago i went on here and u were on

thats not killing time

thats wasting it

[safe wing]

I would have been in bed

But somebody woke me up

[sudden thistle]

I think the time is dead

[safe wing]

And I played a ton of Rome total war

[last cave]

i think i can stop playing this save alr

[safe wing]

Which is a more fun game than hoi4

its still remember 21 years later

[scenic spade]

do i call it game quits

[sudden thistle]

No

[safe wing]

does anyone think Hoi4 will be remember 21 years after its release

[scenic spade]

nothing is savable

[safe wing]

I don't

[scenic spade]

they are dead

[sudden thistle]

No?

[last cave]

why dont make fieldmarshal lines?

instead of stacking them

[cobalt imp]

it takes so long to get nukles in this game bro

[scenic spade]

because its hard

yeah but its last stand

[sudden thistle]

And ur micro is horrible if u make that happen

[tepid crown]

1942

[sudden thistle]

Goddamn

[quiet vessel]

you can get them in like 1942 beo

[safe wing]

Who needs nukes when you have collab governments

[cobalt imp]

i forgtot to do it earlier

so its taking a while

[quiet vessel]

id rather nuke somebody to shit than capitulate them earlier

[scenic spade]

YESSSSSSS

[last cave]

nukes are very fun

[safe wing]

Anyways time to conquer Gaul

[solid schooner]

10 hours of the fire rises

[quiet vessel]

so many frontlines bro

[last cave]

i once nuked brazil 3 times(every city) bcs they became major

[solid schooner]

just to get demolished

[quiet vessel]

use a field marshal order😭

[solid schooner]

imma unify the west coast and invade new mexico fast

this mod is frying my brain

[honest night]

The fires rises on your pc

[solid schooner]

literally

[honest night]

What year is it lol

[solid schooner]

2025

when they invaded me

then i just went back to 2022 again

imma focus on war for now then economy and propaganda

[eternal aspen]

So im looking at my hoi4 campaign from last week and saw this, anyone know why me (German Empire high seas path) cored Spain?

Im not complaining since I had horrible manpower issues before annexing Spain, but its js weird

This was vanilla with some client side mods like coloured icons and a few radio mods btw

[scenic spade]

yes

10 division encirclement

and a 6 division other place

so 16

[honest night]

Interestingly you only got Republican Spain cores did that Spain win the civil war?

[heavy vigil]

Its a colony state

No one has cores on it

[honest night]

He said he annexed Spain tho

[eternal aspen]

Yea

Well this was right before since they joined fascist UK

But yea republicans won

[solid schooner]

imma just watch netflix bruh

im done with that mod

[eternal aspen]

Since myself and italy both went civil war, and Austria was my side

So I'm assuming they were coming a state as I grabbed them and the code bugged out, still p cool and the manpower let me land in Amerika

That campaign is over tho, its kinda hard to lose when Japan, China, russia, AH, Germany and the gaelic releasables are all on my side against the USA and Mexico

[sonic sand]

you will be renforce memed off the tile

or rather off the attack

you're fighting with 38

it will eventually collapse

[inner wraith]

I downloaded and installed it, but I still have the same problem

[heavy vigil]

Hes winning

Conclusion, he will win

[honest night]

Green = win

Trust

[sonic sand]

I know

but

[honest night]

Attack with 100 divs

[heavy vigil]

Its vanilla ai tbf

[sudden thistle]

Why are you telling me

[heavy vigil]

Not the scariest enemy unless youre low org

[sudden thistle]

It’s not my game

[sonic sand]

when I fight with more than 6 divs it ususally just

ends because no one renforces

[sonic sand]

oh my lord

[sudden thistle]

Is that the steam deck

[heavy vigil]

Yeah cuz u use line arty

High width no org

No reinforce

[sonic sand]

even with normal troops

[heavy vigil]

Thats how it goes

[solid schooner]

this run is so bad lmao

i shouldve invaded the east earlir

[solid schooner]

before they can ally themselves with the acg

[inner wraith]

I don't know why the mods we have aren't working at all. Can anyone solve this problem for me or find me a new version to download

[solid schooner]

what version are u in

[inner wraith]

1.12.1

[solid schooner]

yeah find a new version

[honest night]

You have it enabled on your launcher?

[solid schooner]

most mods are in the latest

[eternal aspen]

Mate, thats a virus

We are in 1.16.10

[solid schooner]

update hoi4 to 1.16.10 so mods could work

[inner wraith]

Well, I want to know what the solution to the problem is because for more than three months now I still don't know how to solve the problem

[eternal aspen]

What device are you running on?

[severe fossil]

update

[inner wraith]

A computer, my friend

[severe fossil]

window

[toxic cypress]

38 units on one tile

insane

[eternal aspen]

I do hate to say it, but you might not be able to get help here since thats pirated it looks like

[inner wraith]

👍

[eternal aspen]

I've done my fair share of piracy of games in my past, and I know _CommonRedist is what pirated software uses to give you drivers

[inner wraith]

My friend, I respect your opinion

[severe fossil]

where did you even buy it

[solid schooner]

just find the latest versions and that would fix it basically

applies to most games

if not all

now let me do my permanent revolution in hoi4

and lose to stalin

[eternal aspen]

Gl comrade

[solid schooner]

thank you comrade

[scenic spade]

chat im doomed

[eternal aspen]

Not really

Can you make anti tank, or tanks in general

[scenic spade]

okay its all encircled and dead

[eternal aspen]

@inner wraith check dm's, it'd save you time and a potential ban

[sudden thistle]

How do u do it AGAIN

[scenic spade]

okay are they coming back

they have lsot a million

i have lost 800k

[marsh ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/hodl-crypto-gif-26523814

[dire oyster]

just go war eco

as fast as possible

[broken plover]

I want to do infantry/artillery army with germany which doctorine is best? I usually use 9 infantry or 12 infantry then frontline 2 - 3 artillery

[marsh ravine]

Mass assault

Or grandbattleplan

Probably grandbattleplan left

For breakthrough

[broken plover]

Isn't mass assault for throwing meat?

I want to also use it for pvp

[marsh ravine]

Mass assault is 25% more stats per width

[azure palm]

How is the "Holy, Roman, and an Empire" Achievement more common than the "Stalin, how many guns does h have?" achievement?

[sudden thistle]

Mass assault is the best for PvP

Fun fact

[marsh ravine]

If u wanna do it for pvp u dont do arty

[broken plover]

So the more meat the better division?

[marsh ravine]

Yes

22/0

[broken plover]

How? lol

[marsh ravine]

Is the best division

[marsh ravine]

Battleplan strong

Hp strong

Gun strong

-0.4width strong

Reinforce rate strong

[broken plover]

Im also going germany alt history

[marsh ravine]

Recovery rate strong

5% recruitable pop strong

[round raven]

Is early game sealion still a thing?

[marsh ravine]

So its even better for you cos alt hist ger is wraker

Weaker

[marsh ravine]

Why wouldnt it be

I think it makes the game stupidly easy but its very possible

[round raven]

I am not able to do it

[marsh ravine]

Use paratroopers

[sudden thistle]

That’s because of skill issue

[marsh ravine]

Launch day1 of war to utilise funni supremacy

[round raven]

They die in 0.04 seconds

[broken plover]

Why no artillery?

[marsh ravine]

Make them bigger.

[broken plover]

I need a good soft attack no?

[round raven]

Well , that's why I am trying to do it in the first place, duhh

[marsh ravine]

Too big width, no breakthrough, high supply usage, expensive, do not get affected by infantry high command

They dont even give a good amount of soft attack after 1939 gun

[round raven]

Also I am new to the game, only 1.8k hours in

[marsh ravine]

I think by the time u have 1939 gun u have more soft per width than artillery

[broken plover]

Ok so which one mass mob or deep battle?

[marsh ravine]

Mass mob

[broken plover]

Do I need any support?

[marsh ravine]

Its op

[marsh ravine]

Ofc😭

[sonic sand]

I love lungs of aluminium 7

Truely one of the games

[round raven]

Kidneys of Copper 6 is fire tho

[broken plover]

I mean any special support like heli or anything or just avg support like engineers

;3

[sonic sand]

I've heard

[marsh ravine]

Flame tank, aa, engineer/assault engineer/pioneer, ranger/armoured recon, field hospital

[marsh ravine]

Heli is nice of u can afford it but idk if u can

[broken plover]

So this is meta both pvp and pve?

[marsh ravine]

Yes

[broken plover]

What if enemy has tnaks?

[marsh ravine]

I forgot about field hospital

[eternal aspen]

I remember using this against AI

Mostly bc the ussr had mediums and a lot of them

[safe wing]

22/0 with full mass assault R

[marsh ravine]

U can do support at/1 line at and battleplan them, anyways 99% of the time u can battleplan them to strength delete quite literally 💀

[sonic sand]

@round raven i however cannot wait for gallbladder of lead

[broken plover]

wdym battleplan them?

[eternal aspen]

Btw this ate more supply than it was worth bc it was also used to break the maginot line, which was good but I forgot to change it to have SPG and SPAA not SPAT

[toxic sapphire]

i mightve went afk after taking warsaw...

[marsh ravine]

The battleplan button😭

On aggressive

[round raven]

isn't that just a dlc for Liver of Polonium?

[marsh ravine]

U quite literally battleplan them like they're ai

[eternal palm]

4 different types of tanks 😭

[eternal aspen]

It happens dw

[eternal aspen]

5*

[broken plover]

Oh got it so I should put to aggressive 😄

[marsh ravine]

Yes

[eternal aspen]

I had panthers, konigtiger, jagdpanther, and the panther level of SPG

[sonic sand]

No but in the previous titles i was super into Speed running and I had some really good PB's

[eternal palm]

I only count 4? Medium tank, medium td, medium spg and heavy tank

[marsh ravine]

Bare in mind you need to RUSH 1939 gun, if mp if u can u wanna rush/slave someone to rush 1942 gun

[eternal aspen]

Oh mb, yea u right, but I also had panzer 4's in there since it was in the process of converting

[marsh ravine]

Motorised is a tank duh

Mot recon

[eternal palm]

Clearly

[broken plover]

Ok you got any idea for germany alt history focuses? Im going kaiser now I tested democracy and communists they were op but Im still not sure

[scenic spade]

hey what do i do

[eternal aspen]

And I almost immediately went into modern after seelowe so that div didnt last too long

[scenic spade]

i have 60k guns in stockpile

[grizzled yarrow]

yall

[marsh ravine]

Iirc mil dictatorship is sorta strong but iirc commie is strongest

[eternal aspen]

It went through maginot then sat in Berlin until barb, then again back to berlin

[grizzled yarrow]

how do i beat the uk
naval invasion or paratroopers

[eternal aspen]

Paratrooper

[marsh ravine]

Idk what side tho i dont do ahist too much esp if it includes a civilwar

[eternal aspen]

Navy is only good if you go alt-hist

[grizzled yarrow]

thx

[fair horizon]

WHAT?

[broken plover]

you mean spartacus league?

[eternal palm]

Seen more cursed tbh

[marsh ravine]

Either iirc idk which is stronger

[fair horizon]

THEY'RE NOT EVEN AT WAR

[marsh ravine]

Which commie ger path is strongest

[eternal palm]

Left side

[sudden thistle]

The left one seems stronger

[eternal palm]

The one where u annex all your puppets

[marsh ravine]

@broken plover

[eternal aspen]

Wait until you see the Czech entente contain USSR, USA, UK, and Belize

[sudden thistle]

Yummers

[eternal aspen]

Nobody else

[sonic sand]

Lmfao

Hi astram

[eternal aspen]

Hi

[sonic sand]

Hows modding going along?

[broken plover]

Got it what's the key turning everyone communist through decisions and civil wars?

[eternal aspen]

Spooky day is break day

Bc painting states is torture

[eternal palm]

Wdym? U just do the civil war then go communist? Hire commie advisor to get 50% commie support to avoid 2nd civil war

[fair horizon]

like this is just ridiculous, everything that can go wrong in any of my games does, i just want to expand but for some reason the balkans have more influence over central america than i do as a central american country

[eternal aspen]

After a week of tryna fix my own problems that I kept making worse, I need a day to not wanna kms from looking at my mod

[sonic sand]

@simple citrus still needs to give me permission to give you the idea

[eternal aspen]

You ever hear of murphys law?

[sonic sand]

Skill issue

[broken plover]

No Im saying that when you turn communist germany what do you get strong at and how, army? or you just turn everyone communist with infiltrating their country and then integrating them?

[fair horizon]

sure have but apparently paradox has never heard of a functioning diplomacy system

[sonic sand]

I should make an idea to redo diplomacy

[eternal aspen]

Why would diplomacy work in a war game ngl

[sonic sand]

And faction joining

[eternal palm]

You make puppets via decisions then annex them

[eternal aspen]

Alr happening with 1.17

[fair horizon]

because australia has no reason to be allied to mongolia yet it will for no reason seek that out

[sonic sand]

well

i wanna redo everything

[loud shuttle]

guys any intermediate achieviements i can try to get?

[fair horizon]

currently the only thing this game apparently checks for is whether or not they're the same kind of government

[sonic sand]

hello orange cat

do Antischluss

[loud shuttle]

hello xs2074

[loud shuttle]

too hard

[sonic sand]

not really

[loud shuttle]

i tried the austrian empire path

failed

[sonic sand]

austrian empire path is easy...

just take em over

[loud shuttle]

i got the lands i mean

[ivory hull]

its pretty easy

[loud shuttle]

just failed against germany§

[ivory hull]

they shouldnt be hard to beat tho

[sonic sand]

you just suck

ofc im joking but like fr its not that deep ong...

[patent thistle]

gotta love when stuff like this happends to a mod and modder

(all are considered both heavy and light cruisers)

[old crag]

hi

[tiny iris]

What a bavy

Navy but with b

Bavy

I will use that word now

Forever

Till I die

[patent thistle]

its 1930 germany what tf do you expect for a navy-

[fair horizon]

i mean tbf in vanilla some ai can still put light batteries on heavy cruisers and heavy batteries on light cruisers

[patent thistle]

ye but these are not supposed to be all the admiral hipper class

[fair horizon]

right

[tiny iris]

Virgin Hitler with a motorised army that needs more oil then they have to be able to push into Moscow vs chad Kaiser Wilhelm with a navy being able to rival the British fleet with just coal.

[patent thistle]

thats a modder skill issue at that moment

i am gonna use IC to mostly fix this state

[patent thistle]

(refitting those to the actual light cruiser classes)

[candid pecan]

anyone got a good tank template i can use?

[fair horizon]

(somehow the british still win even after losing a fair bit of ships)

[patent thistle]

i think thats the only time IC is accepted for once, fixing a modders mistake

[fair horizon]

is IC a cheat or something?

[patent thistle]

yes a console command

insta construction which works for navy

[tiny iris]

Its a shame not more naval battles happened in WW1. I would love to see the grand armadas go into battle.

[patent thistle]

i tend to only use it when stuff like that happends

[tiny iris]

I guess its a good thing not more battles happened but you get what I mean.

[fair horizon]

stupid planes

[patent thistle]

(modder problem)

[fair horizon]

ruining my naval battles

[broken plover]

I researched flame panzer but how can I build flame thrower tanks? do I have to just change their types when building the tank?

[fair horizon]

yes

[warped flint]

OMG

IT HAPPEND

HFDHD

FH

FDG

[broken plover]

Does keeping them realy worth it?

[patent thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-look-the-other-way-look-away-awkward-weird-gif-17246188

me with my about 14k hours over multiple versions:

[eternal aspen]

not really, but it is worth it if you plan to do navy

[patent thistle]

if you still plan on doing navy yes

[broken plover]

I just want to have a mid navy

[patent thistle]

without raeder and donitz navy is basically worthless as germany

[broken plover]

https://tenor.com/view/project-fight-club-clever-gif-13671991

[warped flint]

no not really

just wasted time doing worthless focuses

[fair horizon]

i did it :D

[broken plover]

well I guessed against italy england america in pvp it should worth doing those focuses and keeping these generals

[eternal aspen]

average vic3 formable

[fair horizon]

never played victoria

is it good?

[eternal aspen]

then you got fkn central europe as a formable for frankfurt

[eternal aspen]

don't play it

[eternal palm]

Multiple titles don't count

What's your hoi4 hours

[eternal aspen]

1700

[eternal palm]

@patent thistle

[eternal aspen]

but i plan to bring that up to 2.1k before the mod im making is done

[fair horizon]

less than my stellaris ones

[scenic spade]

i have fed 120k guns to china

[patent thistle]

across each of the game versions i played it adds up to about 12-14k hours

although i do have to admit most of that time is just being afk

[eternal palm]

I'm asking just for hoi4, not other hoi titles

[slim nexus]

I have 1020 hour hoi4

[scenic spade]

not china to ussr

[patent thistle]

i am talking about hoi4

[eternal palm]

Show steam hours the fk

How do u rack up 12k hours being afk

U know u can turn off your pc right

[patent thistle]

back then before i got it over steam i got it cheaper but with direct files which didnt connect to steam

meaning i never got the time

[fair horizon]

y tho

[sudden thistle]

Yeah

[eternal palm]

I mean if u care about ur electricity bill, then u would

[patent thistle]

its some shit laptop it aint taking much electricity

[eternal palm]

If its a laptop it's even worse. Why yall disrespect ur hardware

[fair horizon]

what a blessed nation, i have 3 spare chromium

[patent thistle]

mine is like 8 years old and has repairability, although i never had to repair it outside of the screen

and that only happend because it feel badly on the ground

[fair horizon]

i dare not anger the machine spirit by shutting it down

[patent thistle]

also i still do regurally shut it down i just dont when i have an active game

[patent thistle]

i did not buy Hinge problems as a brand for my laptop, fujitsu is mine

[eternal aspen]

i wanna play hoi4

but at the same time i might shoot something if i hear that menu music

[patent thistle]

if your truely modding spain make the civilwar preventable

[eternal aspen]

tis the plan

it's starting before the Rif war, so you'll have time to try stabilize spain

[fair horizon]

chat should i turn my empire communist?

[eternal aspen]

ofc you'll have to putdown smaller rebellions instead of the huge civil war we had

no point making a mod that can be finished in the span of 10 years, before the real content even starts

[sonic sand]

amazing

🤩

[mortal swan]

this feels familiar..

[eternal aspen]

fur das vatarland!

[molten moat]

MEOW!

[craggy trail]

He really did just steal a blimp

[patent thistle]

i just noticed how i had 16 gigs of ram on my dam laptop-

[hot patrol]

Singapore has a bigger population than the whole mongolian state

[patent thistle]

i guess-? did it survive the incident?

[carmine spade]

hello veryone

[eternal palm]

U should probably change ur name to something less offensive 💀

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967022506416414754/1247406738286837840/OHNAHRESTOROOM.gif

Its not offensive its just silly 😛

[slim nexus]

oh-okay i gues btw i am china should i fight sovite or allies firat? they are fighting each others

[hot patrol]

attack sweden and whatever faction they join you fight

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295156841483079681/1407758551807557724/attachment.gif

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[spark musk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1229245430328463401/1423743080825229504/togif.gif

[hot patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1164986609721163818/1195374927872790559/ty.gif

[eternal palm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102209883891310693/1430282649334976583/attachment-2.gif

[potent isle]

guys yall gotta know sum about a user in this server

[eternal palm]

Which one? Out of the 100.000 present kek

[slim nexus]

idk a part of me wanna figth a apart of me wanna take all the civilian factories from trade

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1416139840935825611/1424397523102990337/attachment.gif

ay just in time

[potent isle]

@unique zephyr plays hoi with my little pony mods 😔

[slim nexus]

this one

[hot patrol]

peak

[carmine spade]

ikr

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102209883891310693/1430282649334976583/attachment-2.gif

hoi4 focuses be like

[brittle cypress]

The my little pony mod is really good though you just have to get past the ponies

[potent isle]

Lwk real

[potent isle]

💀

[hot patrol]

this is even better

Condemn the Reich

A BLITZKRIEG OF OUR OWN

[potent isle]

Lollllll

Bro hoi be like:

[hot patrol]

i might make a hoi4 mod

[unique zephyr]

About?

[hot patrol]

my own lore world thing

[potent isle]

HELLO MY LITTLE PONY MATE

[hot patrol]

no

[potent isle]

[hot patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897318212851601408/989121442807431168/attachment.gif

[sonic sand]

omg the gifs i have posted here are being reposted!

[boreal crest]

bro

[potent isle]

[boreal crest]

i need help

[unique zephyr]

Sounds interesting

[hot patrol]

lol

[boreal crest]

this game is so confusing lads

[sonic sand]

welcome to hell

:3

[hot patrol]

Its a very doomer world

[sudden thistle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/897318212851601408/989121442807431168/attachment.gif

[hot patrol]

What do you need help with

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052358357392035920/1261271931961999421/ezgif-6-6dfb827faa.gif

[sonic sand]

just do the tutorial!

[potent isle]

Yo broski

[boreal crest]

ive had a game and played as germany for my first game i even watched a tutorial

[unique zephyr]

Welcome to HOI4 have a look around

[sonic sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329135672308797451/1359966889945731152/speechmemified_20250209_141135.webp.gif

[hot patrol]

BRO

[boreal crest]

i had around 700k manpower in the field by 1938

[hot patrol]

LET ME FIND IT

[sonic sand]

its a confusing game

[boreal crest]

idk if thats bad or good

[sonic sand]

thats good

[boreal crest]

and i got destroyed by czeckoslovakia

[sonic sand]

not good

[boreal crest]

i was trying to encircle them

but i lost every battle

[sonic sand]

did you leave

[unique zephyr]

Doomer like TNO?

[boreal crest]

the french were also invading

[sonic sand]

things open?

[potent isle]

👷 👷‍♂️

[boreal crest]

no

[sonic sand]

did you leave tiles undefended?

[boreal crest]

idk

i had them all

[sonic sand]

theres a few things

[hot patrol]

the world is polluted, most people are sad, deadly fungal virus, etc

[boreal crest]

at borders

[hot patrol]

however

[boreal crest]

clicked front line

[sonic sand]

did you use your focus tree?

[boreal crest]

yes

[sonic sand]

ok

[hot patrol]

airships, advanced technology, cool countries

[sonic sand]

so you made a frontline

[potent isle]

Do yall know @unique zephyr pirated every single one of the dlcs?

[hot patrol]

big hungary and big poland

[boreal crest]

im just getting destroyed

[unique zephyr]

Let me guess..... China? (Humor)

[boreal crest]

it took me so long to get the anchluss

[sonic sand]

did you make a battleplan?

[boreal crest]

i was being invaded by france when i got the anchluss

[sonic sand]

why did you declare war on france

[boreal crest]

kind of i made a offensive line but my troops just failed to get there

[boreal crest]

i didnt

[sonic sand]

or someone who was guarenteed by france

[boreal crest]

they attacked me

[sonic sand]

so you're playing nonhistorical

which is why its so hard

[boreal crest]

no

[sonic sand]

you gotta turn on historical

[boreal crest]

i tried to annex czechoslovakia

like real life

[sonic sand]

or is your game modded?

[boreal crest]

it was historical dude

[sonic sand]

do you have any mods installed then

[hot patrol]

damn is 😂 (map in progress btw

[boreal crest]

no bro

[sonic sand]

like rt56

[boreal crest]

im playing the default game

[sonic sand]

so then how did france declare war on you

[tiny iris]

Guys, is EU4/5 really strategy games? It seems more like RPGs like CK3.

[sonic sand]

its physically not possible

[hot patrol]

to come:
weimar reichsrepublik
weimar daneland
skania
alp confederation
etc

[sonic sand]

unless

[boreal crest]

because i invaded czechoslovakia

[sonic sand]

did you just declare war on the czechs?

[boreal crest]

yes

[sonic sand]

did you justify with the justification?

or through a focus

[boreal crest]

yes

justification

[sonic sand]

yeah so thats why

[boreal crest]

and i got smoked

like wtf

[tiny iris]

Checkoslovakia is a pain in the ass to beat. They are fortified and full with mountains.

[boreal crest]

i couldnt even get to my offensive line

with fully trained troops

[sonic sand]

they drop their guarantee after you do the demand Sudetenland focus

[unique zephyr]

Cool

[sonic sand]

also how many people are in each army group?

[hot patrol]

as germany you get a focus called demand the sudetenland, you can basically take the small mountains around the czechs and then further subjugate them and annex them completely

[sonic sand]

^

[hot patrol]

i'll recreate the map in hoi4 with kovas' states

btw kovas' states is a great mapmod

[boreal crest]

i couldnt get the anchluss for so long though bro

[sonic sand]

and also you might want to put a field marshal and an army chief

[boreal crest]

i didnt have 50 infrantry equiptment in the field

[sonic sand]

thats because you need people in your army

[hot patrol]

you need to get a percentage bigger army

than the austrian one

[boreal crest]

even though i basically only made infrantry

[sonic sand]

infantry equipment is just guns

and also

don't force deploy them

[hot patrol]

yes, let them train

[boreal crest]

but i hardly made tanks

[sonic sand]

so don't click the button to automatically deploy

let them train up

[boreal crest]

ok so force deployment was the problem

[hot patrol]

tanks are too complicated, even for me

you can stick with infantry

[mortal swan]

Hell Yeah!

[unique zephyr]

The Mod: Polution contamination etc.
The developer: RECYCLING (humor)

[sonic sand]

only force deploy if you need troops super desperately

[brittle cypress]

You can do it for infantry if you need to train a large amount of divisions in a short time

[boreal crest]

so am i more likely to win using the tree for war

[fair horizon]

wat

[brittle cypress]

Just train them manually when they get deployed

[sonic sand]

so

[boreal crest]

because justifaction got me destroyed

[hot patrol]

what

[brittle cypress]

Only issue is it will cost a few more guns

[mortal swan]

vary alt. history i guess.

[hot patrol]

yes

[boreal crest]

also do i need to upgrade factories in some way

[sonic sand]

yes build more

[boreal crest]

i dont understand the factory stuff

[hot patrol]

you can only get as far as czechoslovakia before you get to war

[boreal crest]

and the warfare style

[unique zephyr]

The joke sounds better in my head honestly

[boreal crest]

like im telling the army the offensive line

but they couldnt breach anything right

[hot patrol]

civilian factories make things, military factories make products for your army

[sonic sand]

use your research slots to research better tools

[hot patrol]

shipyards are self explanitory

[boreal crest]

and then multiple units say they have no commands

and it looks like theyre just sitting ducks

[sonic sand]

did you assign them to the order?

[hot patrol]

you need to put them in an army group and then assign them to an order

[boreal crest]

i tried

[mystic sand]

Chat, outside of germany, what historical path should I do

[sonic sand]

and also

[hot patrol]

hungary, its quite interesting

[sonic sand]

theres another thing

[boreal crest]

but then when i lost my defensive line

i tried to reassign them

and everything got messed up

[sonic sand]

did you click the button to have your offensive order go?

[mystic sand]

That was the last one I did 😭

[boreal crest]

so do i get more equipment in the field if i dont force deploy

yes i did

[sonic sand]

just because you drew an offensive line doesn't mean it automatically goes

[hot patrol]

lol fair

do switzerland.

[boreal crest]

i clicked the green arrow

on the command

but i couldnt breach them

[sonic sand]

ok

[sonic sand]

well thats because you should demand Sudetenland through focus

because

[hot patrol]

that just does the order - a spearhead, offensive line, paratroop invasion or naval invasion

unless not assigned, they won't do anything

[tiny iris]

ISP uploaded a video of him plating EU IV I want to buy it but it seems more like an RPG than a strategy game.

[mystic sand]

You can just tell me to play vic3 yknow

[tiny iris]

V

EU V

[hot patrol]

ok... do poland but hold off???

[sonic sand]

Czechoslovakia has a bunch of forts @boreal crest and their entire border is just mountains.

[hot patrol]

ok who am i kidding everyones done that

[mystic sand]

That could work, haven't done historical Poland in a minute

[hot patrol]

oh

lol

peak

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/724943683996352562/1074371491120021564/FB_IMG_1675237873369.gif

[mystic sand]

Ive been interested in the reasonable alt history paths too

Austria refusing anshuluss and ish like that

[hot patrol]

i like doing old habsburg for hungary

but its a bit far

maybe peasant revolt poland?

[mystic sand]

Ohhhh, I just thought

[hot patrol]

it was a looming threat

but they did sort it out

[mystic sand]

Its called, bitchmade Poland, you literally just give germany and the soviets what they want

[hot patrol]

what if they didn't

[hot patrol]

what

[mystic sand]

You give germany danzig and the soviets the east

[hot patrol]

you don't have to

[mystic sand]

Then, when the war starts looking definitive, you attack whichever side is gonna lose

Ill be real, alt history thats just "core some long gone empire" gets boring

[fair horizon]

he lost to italy btw

[boreal crest]

yo guys

[tiny iris]

EU 5 sucks. HOI4 is much better. Do not buy EU 5. Buy the new HOI4 DlC instead. Buy HOI4 not EU 5. HOI4 HOI4 HOI4 HOI4 HOI4 HOI4.

[boreal crest]

why is there nothing in my production menu

i think i clicked something

and now the menu is just empty

[mystic sand]

You probably put on a filter

And theres nothing under the filter so its not showing anything

[boreal crest]

wait now i can see it again

but i cant change the production

[sudden thistle]

Nah

[tiny iris]

But serious question, I am thinking about buying EU5 but it feels like its more of a RPG like CK3 instead of a real grand strategy game. Thoughts?

[sudden thistle]

Maybe if it’s cheaper

[young summit]

im touching a pc for the first time on my life

[tiny iris]

Buy HOI4

[young summit]

idnow anything about it

im getting cooked

i need tutorials

kind of

[scenic spade]

CHINA GAME IS OVER

i won ww2

first in berlin

second in tokyo

[valid prairie]

Did naval invading get harder after gotterdamnerung

[fair horizon]

i cant even get to europe

[sonic sand]

hungary blob

[mortal swan]

now do this with communist china. its fun trust me

[scenic spade]

its facist

and allies

so is yugo

[sonic sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102209883891310693/1430282649334976583/attachment-2.gif

[fair horizon]

so someone explain this, people say that reliability doesnt matter and then you lose 400 tanks in a single battle

[sonic sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1329135672308797451/1359966889945731152/speechmemified_20250209_141135.webp.gif

yep

because

if something breaks down in a fight

you don't get to repair it

[fair horizon]

but reliability doesnt matter somehow

[sonic sand]

it does

[fair horizon]

right

but everyone says it doesnt

[sonic sand]

the people who say it doesn't are lying to your face

[sonic sand]

depends who you play

minor nations need reliability

its basically a requirement

[ivory hull]

just dont click bad tiles

[fair horizon]

i mean i dont see any scenario where you can take those kinds of losses

unless i have 150 factories on tanks

[sonic sand]

the scenario where you take those kinds of losses:

[ivory hull]

just have good tanks and dont go into no supply areas

pretty easy

[fair horizon]

i have perfect supply

i literally just lost all of them in 2 battles

[sudden thistle]

🔥

[ivory hull]

what terrain?

[sudden thistle]

The secret is ignoring deficits

[fair horizon]

plains

[ivory hull]

skill issue

[sudden thistle]

If u ignore it enough the problem will disappear

[fair horizon]

wait my b forest

[ivory hull]

yea

no shit then

makes sense

[fair horizon]

ok bud

where does it say tanks die to trees

go on

tell me

[patent thistle]

1938 shit in 1931 is totally realistic

[ivory hull]

attack: 85% and +20% attrition

and the other +8%

[fair horizon]

SUPPLY TRUCK ATTRITION

NOT ATTRITION

two completely different things

[ivory hull]

two completely different things you both ignored

[fair horizon]

because they dont affect tank attrition bud

[tiny iris]

Guys, does anyone actually like Victoria III?

[fair horizon]

A marsh would affect tanks

not attacking a forest from a supply hub

[sudden thistle]

Yes

[hoary locust]

90276316410966035

[hot patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/marex-golden-sniper-gif-15274894047511573761

[broken plover]

Why is it like this? I want to make a light tank flamethrower

[hoary mortar]

gold pants lmao

[hot patrol]

what version

[unique zephyr]

Bruh thats a Tank or a wheel chair?

[hot patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1244600690635051117/1279411960945053707/attachment.gif

[tepid crown]

It’s not

The math is proof

[broken plover]

What's the problem should I make medium flamethrower tanks or what?

[hot patrol]

what do i play brotein bars

[honest night]

Medium flame tank is the best

I suppose

[broken plover]

@unique zephyr can you give me a help on this when I want to change tank type to flamethrower it gives this debuffs

[broken plover]

Are you sure this debuffs are because of that?

[unique zephyr]

I think medium Tanks thats what i personally use

[honest night]

No but I just know that medium flames are meta

[broken plover]

Alright thanks guys

[patent thistle]

having 10 dockyards on a single carrier for production turns out to be op af

those things have 20k production cost-

and they get done in a little over 2 years

[hot patrol]

how tf

this in rise of nations?

[patent thistle]

1930 start date mod

[hot patrol]

oh yeah i should try that mod

oh

[hybrid galleon]

So I got 2 hours worth of lectures to watch for college, so what’s better to keep me from going insane than some Hungary gaming

[severe fossil]

Hungary gaming or hungry gaming

[hybrid galleon]

Yes

[hot patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fingplasztika-plasztika-fing-amikor-a-magyar-gif-21570421

[sonic sand]

me watching my troops lose thousands of tanks per battle

and having my troops be

blown out of the water

[hot patrol]

this is why you horsey main

trust me bro

https://tenor.com/view/mongolia-based-chingiz-khan-lonely-lonely-rampage-gif-14200403252536449099

[fair horizon]

yep dont need reliability (50% btw)

[sonic sand]

totally

@tepid crown that math truly is mathing rn

[fallen vigil]

this genuinely might be the best hoi4 path

[fair horizon]

my b 52%

[sonic sand]

me watching 52% of my entire supply get erased off the face of the earth for existing

[hot patrol]

i'm going to try reclaim the magyar kingdom in 1919

[sonic sand]

i love attrition

[fair horizon]

the best part is that ive lost more to attrition from combat than straight up in combat

[hybrid galleon]

Where were you invading?

[sonic sand]

crazy

[hot patrol]

interwar light tank

real

[fair horizon]

they're being phased out rn

[hot patrol]

yeah

[hybrid galleon]

What year is it?

[hot patrol]

but they look cool for minor nations ngl

[fair horizon]

41

[sonic sand]

mfer im not doing shit rn. im just making a joke about attrition

[hybrid galleon]

41!?

[fair horizon]

yeah

[patent thistle]

should be big enough to support 2 carriers

[fair horizon]

im fighting south american countries

doesnt need to be great amazing new tanks

[hot patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1028218317040783400/image0-6-2.gif

[fair horizon]

heck you dont even need tanks

[hybrid galleon]

Ah yes just standing in a field in Kansas, -2875 rifles somehow

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-night-anime-gif-19288718

[hybrid galleon]

Oh then never mind

[sonic sand]

i don't play the US

[hybrid galleon]

You should it’s fun…with mods

[hot patrol]

starving

[sonic sand]

nope

don't care

don't want to

too far away

[hot patrol]

its lighter without the weight of whats letting you fight and survive

[fair horizon]

with all that wheat? good luck

[hot patrol]

or they eat the rifles

as a side with the wheat

fetus bread

[sonic sand]

this is cannon now

[hot patrol]

yes

only the best soldiers

they can walk through siberia