hoi4-general

[sudden thistle]

fascist UK personally

[serene inlet]

so should i just restart and make a light cruiser only game

[remote quarry]

usually if you played correctly earlier you can kinda directly push if you micro a bit

[remote quarry]

no it's not the ship

it's the fact that if you didn't annex the balkans in 38

italy is not worth playing

you would have nothing

(which is why it should totally not be a beginner nation)

[serene inlet]

i wanted to do a regia marina vs royal navy game

[cerulean shadow]

any tips on how to world conquest? trrying to get acheivments

[remote quarry]

if you annexed them then you have industry to actually build navy

yes

[serene inlet]

i'm not a beginner i just never play italy

cuz its an annoying country

[sudden thistle]

dont make shitty decisions

[crisp wyvern]

i hope that im not the only one who likes to build a ton of civs for my fictional country population

[cerulean shadow]

thanks lol

[serene inlet]

but if i restart a game should i really only make light cruisers

[crisp wyvern]

i may be a warmongerer, but i also care about my fictional population (partial mob)

[haughty valve]

banana america

[eternal aspen]

start it early

[remote quarry]

if you have industry, you can make anything you like

and still win

[eternal aspen]

so that russia doesn't suffer the "Unternhemen Barbarossa" maluses that they get from germany

[sudden thistle]

italian landcruisers

[remote quarry]

winning is a low bar

[serene inlet]

would you say with 30 of those light cruisers would i destroy the royal navy?

like in a single task force

[remote quarry]

yes

[eternal aspen]

aussan land cruiser

[serene inlet]

no capital ships no nothing?

i mean

heavy

[remote quarry]

ah put your starting navy in

[sudden thistle]

they do

[remote quarry]

obviously

[crisp wyvern]

oh boy, what a beautiful day to be a banana republic, i hope nothing bad happends!

[sudden thistle]

do something

[eternal aspen]

won't need them other than starting fleet

[serene inlet]

ok i see so it's a major only strat

[eternal aspen]

the navy wqorks weird, and without screens the capital ships are basically useless

[sudden thistle]

clearly not enough capitals smh

[eternal aspen]

nah you cvould do it as aussa or even lebanon if you get the resources

[serene inlet]

stack everything into one task force? or different ones

[haughty valve]

im pretty sure the banana republics were built on slavery

[eternal aspen]

all the same, but keep SS separate

then balance them

SS you wanna keep separate since they're so much slower

[serene inlet]

i see

i would need like

spotting cruisers tho

right

with proper sonar tech

[remote quarry]

it's irrelevant

[crisp wyvern]

pretty much, and the united fruit company was such a powerful company among those countries that if your goverment does something they don't like, they can easily get you out of power

[serene inlet]

how come if i wanna engage better

[remote quarry]

raid with subs and their navy would come out

[remote quarry]

spotting cruiser does not spot task forces strike forcing in port

you engage them by raiding and catching a troop convoy

[eternal aspen]

that's for DD

[remote quarry]

this way their strike force task force would engage

and you can choose to engage them

[eternal aspen]

cruisers you wanna give RADAR and fire control

[haughty valve]

diddin't they convince the us to invade guatemala because they didin't like their leader?

[eternal aspen]

SONAR is only useful if you intend to use ASW

[remote quarry]

when you want to engage just move your fleet to a zone with patrol, always engage(or just right click it into the tile)

[serene inlet]

isnt this what i should use in a cruiser only navy

[remote quarry]

use better armor

[crisp wyvern]

that's what im saying lmao

[remote quarry]

and put a light cruiser gun on the bottom first slot

[serene inlet]

yeah sorry

how about the heavy attack tho

[remote quarry]

useless

[serene inlet]

are like the 36 capital ships enough?

[eternal aspen]

heavy attack is useless right now

[remote quarry]

yes

[serene inlet]

so all that matters is killing the screens?

[eternal aspen]

yes

[remote quarry]

for your heavy ship make it with like 3 heavy attack turret, rest secondary, and armor 3

[eternal aspen]

heavy attack only matters if they have a proper fleet, and the AI cannot build a proper fleet

[serene inlet]

u told me to go light cruiser only tho

so should i make heavy attack heavy ships or anti air heavy ships

[remote quarry]

the best way to win, given a limited budget, is to make light cruisers

[tepid crown]

In general

[remote quarry]

you have rather unlimited budget if you get the balkans

[remote quarry]

anti air is just useless

ok i need to phrasae stuff more carefully

[serene inlet]

wait what

[remote quarry]

heavy ships are, relatively speaking, less efficient than building light cruisers/carriers

[serene inlet]

i thought nav bombers were very efficient tho

[remote quarry]

anti air is useless

[remote quarry]

and ai doesn't use them

[tepid crown]

Multiplayer yes, ai no

[serene inlet]

o

okay

so i dont even need anything basically

the AI just folds

[fading elk]

France truly screwed up Europe

[tepid crown]

The thing is the ai doesn’t stack their fleet like a player does, thus they get picked off one by one by a competent player

[fading elk]

Guess this is what I asked for starting the end of ww2

[serene inlet]

@remote quarry do i just pull out of ethiopia and instantly justify on the balkans?

and like invade them with base everything

[remote quarry]

huh no

kill them in time

then do thishttps://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3190691521

[serene inlet]

i gain nothing from that tho

[remote quarry]

you want to justify on yugo starting from around oct 36 and declare after april 37

when france get rid of their guarantee

[remote quarry]

each puppet give you like 3 factory

and free supply in africa

you can battleplan and take egypt day 1 if you like

also make sure you make collabs

[serene inlet]

ok that sounds annoying ill just play navy germany instead ngl

[remote quarry]

2 on yugo first

then 2 on romania

[tepid crown]

Lmao

[serene inlet]

i don't wanna follow a sheet

[remote quarry]

ah

it's how you play any nation

[serene inlet]

i always improvise

and it works

[remote quarry]

you do this, so that you would have the space/resources to do the things you actually want to do

that is building a fleet

[tepid crown]

Either way it’s better to annex Ethiopia

[serene inlet]

yeah but i don't see the fun in following a very strict course of actions

[tepid crown]

You have more than enough time to annex them and take Balkans

[remote quarry]

i never told you that you have to follow it

i mean ethiopia is relatively inconsequential

annexing balkans is though

it basically doubles your industry

[last cave]

199 achievments to go💔

[serene inlet]

is it possible to go light cruiser germany

[tepid crown]

Unless he annexes France first 👀

[serene inlet]

only

[remote quarry]

even easier

[serene inlet]

wdym easier they have a smaller fleet

[tepid crown]

Germany is much stronger

[charred lake]

someone tell me what to do in this situation, wanna form the Eu or some shi, but the frikn dutch are in the faction with the US, and they are in a faction with Estonia, Finland, Amrika Japan, almost all of Central America, and Brazil

[serene inlet]

yeah industry is insanely better gotta agree

[charred lake]

I've got one big ass navy tho

[last cave]

use this to destroy US navy

oh

nvm

[charred lake]

ill build it

[serene inlet]

make a ton of light cruisers 😭

ig

thats what im getting told

[tepid crown]

35 fleets 💀

[charred lake]

no no, it's not the navy that Im having a problem with, it's wether to attack them or not

[charred lake]

I've already combined them

Its just not letting me combine the fleets anymore

[serene inlet]

whats ur doctrine

and

what year

oh 47

uh oh

[charred lake]

superior firepower always

canada is in my faction

[serene inlet]

then thats easy af

just invade from canada

us will fold instantly

[oak mantle]

Superior firepower sucks for pretty much everything

Unless u use land cruisers or something

[charred lake]

good at nothing, excels at everything

the US faction

[serene inlet]

excels at supply use

[charred lake]

exactly

[serene inlet]

5 supply use infantry

[charred lake]

Ive got one army of tank divs

thats it

im mkaing more rn

[oak mantle]

Mediocre at everything*

[charred lake]

literally

[tepid crown]

Mid at everything

[charred lake]

ok, so chat, I invade them?

[oak mantle]

Stop prefiring my crying reaction

[charred lake]

lmao

[oak mantle]

Tank divs and superior firepower

Nice~!

[charred lake]

what else, my entire army is just inf

[oak mantle]

This guys making a new meta

[oak mantle]

No its amazing

[charred lake]

dontn tell anyone, im not gonnna go to blitz doctrine

[oak mantle]

GBP is best

It just gives bonuses to everything

[tepid crown]

Depends for what

[oak mantle]

No dont lie to yourself

[charred lake]

yea, i've used that before

[oak mantle]

Its the best for everything

[serene inlet]

@tepid crown should i put everything on light cruisers? or still keep making some basic things as germany

[tepid crown]

Mass assault has better infantry

[oak mantle]

Well

Thats the only other acceptable doctrine

[charred lake]

ok guys, stop arguing, just, do I invade the US from canada, or face them as a friend?

[serene inlet]

just go mass assault 35.2 and poop 200 divisions on the US

[tepid crown]

As Germany, by the time you conquer mainland Europe, if you do collab government you should have around 50-60 dockyards to build whatever you want. Light cruisers being the best thing

[oak mantle]

6 width org wall 🥹

[serene inlet]

battleplan and close ur eyes until u get the clapping from the peace deal

[charred lake]

alr, ima just stack on Canada at this point,

[oak mantle]

I done it as the soviets and held for a year then the germansd were out of manpower on max conscription

And just battleplanned

[charred lake]

im scared of the snow there tho

[oak mantle]

9 months actually

[serene inlet]

rangers:

[tepid crown]

I need to test out my 35/36w brick Soviet battleplan build

[serene inlet]

those who rangers

buddy

this is the strat

[tepid crown]

I’ve only ever done TD sov

[serene inlet]

ignore the fact i dont have guns 3 on that

but 350 soft attack in 42 if u do it right

beast inf tanks

[oak mantle]

Are you single

[serene inlet]

poop 300 of those

[serene inlet]

yes ik it gives "ive never felt the touch of a woman" vibes

[oak mantle]

No its just

I wanna mary you

marry

[serene inlet]

wow

im

flattered

[charred lake]

wth

https://tenor.com/view/excellence-muah-the-french-drink-orson-welles-ah-gif-15043093

[oak mantle]

This is like my what star sign arte you

Whats your opinion on repub china org wall

[charred lake]

https://tenor.com/view/periodic-table-chemistry-orbitals-subshells-the-isle-gif-16052911208526816738

[last cave]

hey guys, what best strat to complete "new world order" achievment?

i tried recently but i just quit the save at 1952

[upper veldt]

Germany.

[upper veldt]

I completed it in 1970 so dw

[oak mantle]

Whats the achievement abt

[charred lake]

I love this unified spain

also, for italy, i dunno why, but I "thought" i clikced on annex but I guess I pressed liberate or osmething, so now I have to individually attack them

[heavy vigil]

42?

You can get gun 3 in 1939 with generics

You can get it 40-41 without generic

[sudden thistle]

Why so many support companies

[heavy vigil]

6

[sudden thistle]

Isn’t normal 5

[heavy vigil]

Yeah

But he used it for AT instead of like flame tank

[warped flint]

What do I do?

I think im locked out of the hre unless im blind

[quiet vessel]

its just a game

it doesnt matter

we live we learn

[warped flint]

I have a plan

im gonna wait for italy to try to get independence

then ill kick from faction

do that focus

then I think it should be good

[split bane]

Annex Italy and maybe you can bypass the conquer Italy focus

[warped flint]

im worried it won't work

I spenta few hours so I don't wanna waste all this

[silk fern]

if it doesnt work you can release them as an independent country and conquer them again

[warped flint]

Oh yeah

ill just try that then

[charred lake]

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-aurther-morgan-plan-goddamn-gif-23408364

guys, ts army good for the US?

I've got a second fully army on the east of the US aimed for Chicago

im just scared for the rubber, cus the dutch east indies is in faction with the US so there goes all my rubber

[warped flint]

It worked

[warped flint]

Looks good to me

Wait make sure your supply is good

and have plently of air

[charred lake]

i built infra to build max lvl airports

transporting my inexperienced planes to canada

[charred lake]

not sure if this supply is good

I just clicked some random low numbered numbers on the railways stuff

[warped flint]

Not perfect but could be much worse

[charred lake]

any way I could up it

[deep solstice]

is this reddit worthy ✌️

LOL

OH MY GOD 😭

65 divisions of AGONY

[charred lake]

average soviet frontline experience

[deep solstice]

there was 20 divisions here

I think its just communists

[charred lake]

erradicate the communists at all costs

dude, i think im screwed

what did I do

im gonna kill myself

ahhrhghsiajfosd;kjgdosghfuosalfdijgslhgdfjalg;hdbjogghjarfdlohdsgufoafs

someone help meeeeeee

[deep solstice]

china watching this with nothing but fear in their eyes

[deep solstice]

Declaring on anyone huh?

anyways

well naval invade florida

that always works

dawg

WHAT is going on in that save.

Ottoman empire? BRAZIL?

[deep solstice]

this MUST be non-historical

this is actually the weirdest thing ive ever seen

[charred lake]

it is

[heavy vigil]

ive seen denmark in brazil before

its not that bad

[eternal aspen]

What mod is this?

[deep solstice]

wdym?

[eternal aspen]

That map doesnt look vanilla

Unless its a map mod that changes how it looks

[deep solstice]

its in africa

thats why

[eternal aspen]

No, its also your mod that changes the GFX

[eternal aspen]

This isnt vanilla in terms of map style

Thats what I meant

[charred lake]

am I cooked

help

this doesn't feel like it's working

[eternal aspen]

Most of that front doesnt get good supply

[deep solstice]

could be the vintage map mod

[eternal aspen]

You have the trans-canada railway thats about it for supply, si you should use tanks instead new England/13 colonies and on the pacific coast

[deep solstice]

it was this little piece of africa

[eternal aspen]

Yea that'd be it

Looks amazing ngl

[eternal aspen]

The rest you want like 1-2 30w infantry of supply max, make sure to max out the railways and connect supply hubs as you go

[charred lake]

ill try building railways as I go, cus I haven't done that much yet, although i doubt itll work

[eternal aspen]

It will, just hold for now as you do

And make sure you build a few tiles back to protect the railways

[last cave]

attacking US in the late game should the worst mistake ever made

[tepid crown]

Instead, ai is a joke

[last cave]

wdym?

[misty fossil]

"bloat mods suck!!!!" the bloat mods in question

[hasty gulch]

lwk i think you need more man there

[misty fossil]

he needs more MEN?

[tepid crown]

Ai is not good

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/why-uganda-are-you-gay-you-gif-12775398

[last cave]

so?

[tepid crown]

So a late game player will beat any late game ai nation

[eternal aspen]

Does anybody know how yo preform lobotomy

[tepid crown]

Yes

[last cave]

idk

[tepid crown]

No, you have like twice their eco by this point

[eternal aspen]

Good

My mod is broken even more for some reas9n, I might try slapping the mod into a fresh one and praying it works

[tepid crown]

What kind of mod is it

[eternal aspen]

Complete overhaul of the map to make a historically accurate Spanish Civil war

[tepid crown]

What’s broken about it, just won’t start on launch

[eternal aspen]

Yea

It has no errors or map issues now, and it stops loading after loading my achievements

[tepid crown]

Could be incorrect province definitions

[eternal aspen]

Nah, it fixes that, I'll send you my error.log in a minute im js having supper

I have a feeling I just need to redo the work other than the map

Maybe, I need to look at a mod like OWB where they removed the vanilla tags

[loud pilot]

is there a version of sheep's mod that only affects the AI and doesnt do random changes?

[opal nymph]

So you want the quality of life gone

[loud pilot]

yeah basically

[opal nymph]

Hmm, not sure

[loud pilot]

starting out with some levels of MIOs, some of my advisors are tweaked from vanilla too

[opal nymph]

The QoL i believe is so the AI can actually do the things

[loud pilot]

would rather not have those things myself

[opal nymph]

Like cheaper xp costs and such

And the mod philosophy is that the ai doesn't get anything the player doesnt

[loud pilot]

that makes sense, i just was hoping it was a mod that only made the AI cracked was all

[brittle cypress]

No it doesn’t exist cause I think the mod didn’t originally start as a total ai overhaul

So some stuff like the advisor changes is just left over I guess? Idk really

But yeah the other stuff like changing templates costing less is just to let the ai actually do things

[trim pike]

No because its to allow the ai to be smart

Its not really making it unfair if they have it

[wicked haven]

Would be cool if division medals were for army xp not pp or maybe for less pp

[tepid crown]

The ai is just that bad without it

[craggy trail]

[trim pike]

It was originally made to be a pp sink

But now with mios it might be a good idea to change that

[buoyant fractal]

this aint the ww2 i imagined

[eternal aspen]

Yea, ngl it'd be cool to spend CP/PP and army XP to give medals, especially for how game changing some medals you van get

[heavy vigil]

Just needs to be like 5 or 10 pp imo

Then its fine

[trim pike]

Nah change to xp

[heavy vigil]

Huh why

Its a medal its meant to be like thaat scene in 1945 of mr h man giving out medals, and in general, medals are more of a political thing than a show of accomplishments

[buoyant fractal]

absolute border gore

[opal nymph]

Huh, not so mutually exclusive

[lost pike]

520 hours into hoi4 and barely learned how to make SPGS

[mellow shale]

hello!

[mystic sand]

just accidentally recreated ww1

these have been how the fronts have looked, more or less, since 1940

[opal nymph]

Hole beats offensive technology once again

[mystic sand]

The good news: The ardennes are really hard to get through

The bad news: That 7 division army down there used to be full

and i used to be half way up italy

[opal nymph]

Yikes

How much of that are Congolese casualties

[mystic sand]

like 200k

[opal nymph]

Yikes

[mystic sand]

the war memorials are gonna be siiiiick

its gonna be the most depressing ish youve seen in your LIFE

im basically just waiting for the Soviets to get in on this tbh

[opal nymph]

Here lies the brave Congolese soldiers of the Belgian Italian Theater Forces.

They gave their lives for the fight for freedom at home and abroad

(Meanwhile you did the focus to permanently keep them as a colony)

[mystic sand]

Shhhhhh, they dont gotta know that

There are just so many divisons dude

[opal nymph]

I remember going against the entire Reichspakt as socialist America

It was 30 divisions+ per tile

Don't get me started on the ones that had AI force concentration

[mystic sand]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i dont think the mechanized forces im making are gonna break this stalemate bro

[opal nymph]

Where is the field marshal

Did he die in Italy

[mystic sand]

forgot to make one lmao

[opal nymph]

Also marines might unironically prove useful

To cross the Rhine

[mystic sand]

amtrac marines save me

40 bloodclat divisions per tile in brabant what in blazes

[opal nymph]

36 width amtrak amphibious tank division

[mystic sand]

dude... IM JUST REINVENTING TANK WARFARE WTF

[opal nymph]

Wait

Is there RK Netherlands

You can cap that

And possibly trap many troops

Bruh, did mobile remove remix

[lost pike]

Can someone screenshot the communist chinafocus tree and ping me and ima see it im having some mandela effect

Im not near my computer its not accessible

[opal nymph]

Uhh, I dont have it available either. But there is Mao path and Mao + other guy path

For politics

Maybe there is a 27 1/2 bolshevik path but I dont remember

[lost pike]

Dude i felt like i played it recently and it looks more in depth than videos i just seen i need to see it right now

[opal nymph]

Like current communist China?

The one with 3 political paths and a shared focus tree section?

R56 probably has a more complex tree

8 years war of resistance definitely does

[vivid gust]

For Spain in HOI4 MP, how much harder is Carlist Spain than Francoist Spain?

[lost pike]

Yeah i just need a picture of current focus if somebody can js send a picture

[hoary mortar]

aah focus trees

truly a tree

now gn

[lost pike]

What dlcs you have

I had a all did not look like what you just shown me

[mystic sand]

Alright chat im not continuing ww1 2

Im gonna sleep on it, then tomorrow go back into an earlier save and not create a national holiday in the congo

[umbral agate]

italy did not do 11% bro tf is this

[neat crown]

planes and boats count for a lot especially if you haven't done those at all

[neat crown]

that's weird, are you running a mod? Waking the Tiger (the original china DLC) should be integrated into base HOI4, so you should have that for communist china

[warped flint]

Is there anything I can do to reduce game lag, after 1941 it just gets real laggy

[opal nymph]

All

That is the vanilla ccp tree

No mods

[opal nymph]

Haha, no

Unless you have like the FPS map mod

[warped flint]

bruh

[opal nymph]

I dont use it, heard it kinda works

[warped flint]

Ima try to integrate my many puppets

I think that should help a little

[opal nymph]

It should

Now have 5 more Chinese warlords

[warped flint]

I never have seen my manpower be this high before

[fair horizon]

give me back my manpower rt56 mods

[opal nymph]

Further decolonize countries at base game like they did to the middle east

[opal nymph]

You go past extensive conscription as the Germans?

[warped flint]

I might try to get a better cpu soonish

[fair horizon]

? no its for my mechanized australia

[warped flint]

For me my issue is how much I need in garrisons

[opal nymph]

Ah

I always associate mobile warfare with Germany

And only Germany

[fair horizon]

also its my manpower and i want it back now

i give the rt56 devs three days to comply or i will post the meme again (i may post it sooner because its funny)

[opal nymph]

Did you go to their server

[fair horizon]

no lmao

[opal nymph]

Lol

[warped flint]

Russia is defending everything BUT. russia

[warped flint]

bro

this is MORE DIVISIONS THEN THEY HAVE DEFENDING THE MAINLAND

AND I KILLED SO MANY ALREADY

[lost pike]

Guessing i might’ve had victorys march mod on because i remeber turning it off

[prisma saddle]

can I see your division template? (please😭)

[warped flint]

holy

[prisma saddle]

holy moly

[opal nymph]

Infantry blocks hurt my soul

But they are effective

[opal nymph]

Holy smokes

Let me post this from awhile ago

[warped flint]

they have men in spain to

[prisma saddle]

but this is for include country with much manpower, if i don't have that much?
like with artillery

[warped flint]

before and after

[opal nymph]

Oof

[prisma saddle]

96 dangg

[warped flint]

Wow

[opal nymph]

The one time I played Sheep's Mod

It took me 3 tries to play the Soviets in that mod when it became the ai revamp mod we all enjoy

[prisma saddle]

wouw

[opal nymph]

It used to just make Sealion and Downfall harder

[craggy trail]

[opal nymph]

Alright i need to go to bed, gn everyone

[warped flint]

Gn

[prisma saddle]

gn

[craggy trail]

Eep Well!

[warped flint]

Bro MURMANSK IS NOT THAT GOOD

THEY CAN'T EVEN COVER THE MAIN FRONT NO MORE

[prisma saddle]

😭

[warped flint]

they died

small industry

[warped flint]

Getting off for tonight

Gn everyone

[cedar mango]

why can't I train units

[indigo violet]

Austria has a national spirit that restricts it from training and editing units

[cedar mango]

how do I get rid of it

treaty of saint germain something

[indigo violet]

Its a focus, don’t remember the exact one that gets rid of it

All I know is that its in the political part of the focus tree

[cedar mango]

oh it's here

[rich nacelle]

I decided to do this bc I was bored and oh my god it is powerful.

[dusky burrow]

build tanks or something idk

[dusky burrow]

true

[rich nacelle]

Even in the supply dead-zone of Manchuria they zoom!

I would show tank template but can’t get on pc rn

Ok why can’t I find the image of it I have 😭

This but with improved medium howitzer instead of close support gun.

Although I don’t think I cranked the engine. I’ll have to do that next time I can get on lol.

[azure palm]

Wait, is the Vatican Flag in hoi4 wrong or am I tripping?

[cobalt imp]

does anyone here play thwt game called hearts of iron iv ✌️

[heavy vigil]

I prefer special forces

Very powerful

[cobalt imp]

whats that thing at te bottom left

[heavy vigil]

Torsion bar

[cobalt imp]

isnt christie the best

[heavy vigil]

Up to preference

Christie is faster tho

[cobalt imp]

i like quick things

idk jow to balance breakthrough and speed tho

with armour

[tulip thorn]

no

Whats that

[open moat]

Are light tanks ever worth it as Germany?

They seem to get absolutely melted against USSR.

[heavy vigil]

Theyre great for the recon support

[open moat]

Yeah that is useful, I used that too, but in their own tank divisions ?

When I comes down to that should I avoid them?

[heavy vigil]

Why would you use them??

They use 10 more tanks per batallion and have lower stats

[fair horizon]

chat how do you deal with fighting germany as lithuania?

[heavy vigil]

So theyre quickly more expensive than either mediums or heavies

[heavy vigil]

make high crit units

Large

[fair horizon]

yeah but i run into the issue where they just cas me into oblivion even with aa

[heavy vigil]

Line AA?

Also vanilla or sheep

[fair horizon]

you think its worth it to do line or should i try like aa tanks?

vanilla

well rt56 but im 90% sure that doesnt change it

[heavy vigil]

It does because road sucks

Your national buffs are worse, tanks are worse in the mod

Massmob meta also inherently means larger manpower and industry nations are just better

Like its meant to buff minor countries? But it actively nerfs you compared to majors

[fair horizon]

tbf even when i played vanilla i was never able to beat germany

[heavy vigil]

I bet but being nerfed doesnt help

[fair horizon]

like as any minor bordering them

even when i got austria and czech as hungary

[open moat]

Yeah that's what I thought.

My only problem is that I don't know how to research mediums fast enough to make enough of them for 1939.

[heavy vigil]

Did you have full doctrine by war? Were you done mobilizing troops?

Manpower

Did you have all manpower deployed?

[heavy vigil]

Just make interwars?

[fair horizon]

just make the default one it gives you, little tweaks and its fine

[fair horizon]

yeah just got turned into mince meat by cas

[heavy vigil]

More/better AA then

Also shorter battles

Btw theres an exploit that lets you get veteran divs withour fighting

Though i dont think you could utilize it

[fair horizon]

yeah i think it was a production issue because they kinda rolled over the czech forts

which yeah forts suck but

like cas wins all

[azure palm]

Just got the "Stalin, how many guns does he have?" Achievemeant without grinding for it! I love this Game and im actually having fun!

[heavy vigil]

When did you start building mils?

[fair horizon]

dunno it was a while ago

[heavy vigil]

I see

[prisma saddle]

someone know some good tutorials?

[heavy vigil]

#ask-for-help-here pins

[fair horizon]

but like on the lithuania thing i like going the baltic union thing so i get the baltics cored even though i know polish one is better

[heavy vigil]

Thats fine

I thought we were talking no formables but thats fine yeah

You should have 30-60 civs to work with and probably 20-30+ mils then

With a few million core pop

Like 3 or so

With the baltics youre not weak

[fair horizon]

like i was doing it by conquering is there something in the tree for like annexing them nicely?

[heavy vigil]

Baltic entente path i think

But annex is fine

Really if youre struggling with IC/manpower go communist

Weekly manpower + 24 width infantry spawn ins

I think 6?

[fair horizon]

yeah last time i was beating germany but then they declared on poland and opened up more than the memmel; border

[heavy vigil]

But i havent played hoi a lot in the past weeks and forgot

[fair horizon]

so i evacuated my army to france

[heavy vigil]

Another thing to remember

If you dont do a formable and youre playing a baltic nation you only nees to hold your capital

And if you do the formable you still have the river in latvia you could hold

Also if you annex you should have time to grind ranger on your general

Which is useful since thats like all your terrain

[fair horizon]

yeah the forests

[heavy vigil]

Youre really not in a bad spot

In many ways youre stronger than poland even

[fair horizon]

yeah its just rough with the cas, ill try to do more aa

[heavy vigil]

If youre in the allies it should be manageable

If youre not then you need more IC out

Which you have

In road its significantly harder

Not only is germany stronger, your economy goes down like 2/3th or something

[fair horizon]

is there any real way to deal with enemy cas though?

like without your own airforce to get rid of theirs?

[heavy vigil]

AA bricks

Combat reserves count towards AA value

[fair horizon]

if they're not in the battle will they shoot down enemy planes?

[heavy vigil]

Despite not being in the frontline battle

[fair horizon]

or do they have to be waiting/fighting?

[heavy vigil]

They need to be in combat reserves

[fair horizon]

ah ok

well ill try to figure that out then

[heavy vigil]

Alternatively just

Take the hit

Add them to your regular units

Its not that much of a stat loss and a lot less micro

[fair horizon]

right but i was wondering if that would actually kill a decent amount of german planes

[heavy vigil]

Ofc

But per gun the exact same

[fair horizon]

ah ok

[heavy vigil]

But because you have so much AA concentrated sometimes youll kill 50-100 per tick

Maybe more

[fair horizon]

i hate you russia

[misty fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205760412507840572/1390657899801481216/6A803B37-B9C5-4B3C-B1C0-82E056F316C4.gif

[tulip thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401563044231778305/1429356048241922070/attachment.gif

[viscid stirrup]

It doesnt even have artilery

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[tulip thorn]

Support artillery is bad

Line arty is way better

[misty fossil]

why is celestia so purple

[fair horizon]

has this discord been plagued by EaW players?

[tulip thorn]

Thats twilight sparkle

From the last episode

Future twilight

[misty fossil]

crazy of you to call them the plague

[tulip thorn]

Because it can

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-vdv-you-what-what-did-you-say-military-officer-gif-12971793948514020930

[tulip thorn]

pony supremacy

[fair horizon]

Wym

Im taking that as ds2 slander and i refuse to tolerate it

[cobalt imp]

bro gbp is ass

if the enemy has spies

your planning bonus is gone

[sudden thistle]

U can get spies too

[slim nexus]

I wonder how well the new doctrine structure will work

[tulip thorn]

Then get your own spies

I cant and wont take this gdp slander

[marsh ravine]

Get good?

[sudden thistle]

And the haters are silenced 🔥

[eternal palm]

Just have counter intel then? Like there are ways to counter this

Doesn't mean the whole doctrine is ass

Otherwise just get good

[cobalt imp]

HOLY

[open quartz]

naval invasion sound intensifies

[tulip thorn]

Meh

You should let them keep rotterdam

If the ai can they will constantly send units into it

Giving you free units to kill

Just never actually take the city

[cobalt imp]

???

[cobalt imp]

too late

[viscid stirrup]

Gng equestria at war is peak

[tulip thorn]

yeah exactly

[viscid stirrup]

Germany gets a war goal on every communist country and ofc it uses it on paraguay

[eternal palm]

Don't give him credit 💀

[viscid stirrup]

I didnt make equestria at war wdym

[eternal palm]

That's not what I meant

[tulip thorn]

?

[viscid stirrup]

Ok speak clearer about what you meant then

[gleaming acorn]

Hmmm

[misty fossil]

someone tell him

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1225597737681031282/1384544737696026736/caption.gif

[viscid stirrup]

Whew, thought that was the HHC gif

[tulip thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/twilight-sparkle-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic-excited-happy-sparkle-gif-9681055628598005710

[sudden thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1337380197808341005/1369868390185046077/Untitled-1.gif

[tulip thorn]

Literally fire

[viscid stirrup]

Bro

[eternal palm]

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195828404897984593/1430007648194920498/attachment.gif

[tulip thorn]

GDP left my beloved

[eternal palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195572031522095115/1405096003287257138/togif-53.gif

[viscid stirrup]

Is that a tno reference

[heavy vigil]

Vic3 reference??

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/dang-bro-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-gif-23906552

[viscid stirrup]

Tno has gdp too

[tulip thorn]

The hell is vic 3

[viscid stirrup]

Victoria 3

[tulip thorn]

Theres only 2

[viscid stirrup]

Economy sim game by paradox

HWAT

[tulip thorn]

Victoria and Victoria 2

Only 2 victoria games

[heavy vigil]

Best video game 1925

[viscid stirrup]

The 3rd one released in 2022

[tulip thorn]

I dont think that actually exists

[viscid stirrup]

It does

[misty fossil]

victory victory victory

[tulip thorn]

But yeah victoria 2 is great

[viscid stirrup]

I checked google

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/literally1984-1984-big-brother-gif-23819293

[viscid stirrup]

Literally 1984

[sudden thistle]

Google lies about a lot of things

[tulip thorn]

Google says there are only 2 victoria games

[sudden thistle]

Like they say the earth is round

[misty fossil]

buy victory bonds today

[viscid stirrup]

Did anyone read 1984?

[trim pike]

Correct

[sudden thistle]

Clearly false

[misty fossil]

i did

[trim pike]

But its usually disabled in mp

And for sp ai cant use them well

Or u can transfer territory to allies

[trim pike]

Yes

Its so meh

[tulip thorn]

No

Reading is for smart people

[eternal palm]

It can 💀

[limpid field]

is this cool

[viscid stirrup]

Ok that has to be a tno reference

Literally BURGUNDY

[tulip thorn]

Would be cool if 67 was in your screenshots

[heavy vigil]

Its like all things in hoi4 the ai will use it well when given enough resources

So like the entire world

[limpid field]

if only burgundy was a belgium formable for the fascist path

[heavy vigil]

If you give the vanilla AI enough odds its quite vicious really

[sudden thistle]

Hmmm

That could be bad

[heavy vigil]

No planning

[misty fossil]

skill issue

just have raw stats

[sudden thistle]

Start battleplanning

[sudden thistle]

So true

[heavy vigil]

I did i wasnt losing

[heavy vigil]

I couldnt

I was in the amazon

[sudden thistle]

Go line artillery

Make me proud

[misty fossil]

oh i could have asked you to buy something for me

[tulip thorn]

Line artillery is peak

[heavy vigil]

?

[misty fossil]

does amazon sell stuff physically

[viscid stirrup]

Mp sweats on their way to ruin the game for newgens:

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-high-heels-walking-in-heels-stiletto-gif-638197950522996448

[tulip thorn]

Peak just like this

[misty fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/scp-067-67-6-7-six-seven-sixty-seven-gif-13940852437921483111

[tulip thorn]

Get gud

[viscid stirrup]

I dont have DLC= i cant practice half the features=mp players call me unskilled and dont let me play majors=i cant practice half the features

[heavy vigil]

No like i was doing communist brazil and then retreated to the amazon rainforest for fun

And then made the ai do super mega allies

Vs me

[sudden thistle]

Sucks to be u

[heavy vigil]

Do u wanna join hop

[tulip thorn]

Play a good minor nation like Mexico or canada lol and consult with your allies for what they need you to do

[sudden thistle]

Please no

[misty fossil]

no i meant it as a joke, kinda like you saying you were at walmart

or something

[heavy vigil]

Jellyfish germany

[viscid stirrup]

What

[sudden thistle]

No I do not want him there

[heavy vigil]

Its a hoi4 mp server chris would love to have you there since youre like the same age youll bond

[viscid stirrup]

Ok vro send me the invite link

[sudden thistle]

No

I would kill myself

[viscid stirrup]

Which mexico path is the best? I recently got man the guns dlc

[tulip thorn]

Communist with trotsky fr fr

Dont even think about asking to be mexico, I swear to god

[misty fossil]

dont

[heavy vigil]

Theres so much to live for 🙏

Like jellyfish germany

[trail zinc]

Will kuomintang and ccp have cores on all of china or just claims?

[tulip thorn]

Casey

I swear

[heavy vigil]

Dont swear! Its against the server rules!

[tulip thorn]

yeah yeah mb gng

[sudden thistle]

Too late

[quiet vessel]

ohh shit

[heavy vigil]

shocked face emoji

[quiet vessel]

don't banish me

[slim nexus]

Cute cat

[indigo violet]

What if I do anyways? >:3

[tulip thorn]

[eternal palm]

Fk u

[indigo violet]

dodges

[eternal palm]

[indigo violet]

Charming

[safe wing]

https://tenor.com/view/the-kings-speech-colin-forth-shit-king-george-stressed-gif-4054041

[trim pike]

Nah just ur case

Usually they cant

[cedar lance]

hello yalls

[trim pike]

Hi

[cedar lance]

wassup

[gaunt thorn]

glorious french empire

uk doesnt know whats coming

[viscid stirrup]

Trotsky is going to make such a comeback

[marsh ravine]

No

[viscid stirrup]

Im better at ussr gng

Like at least half my playthroughs are ussr

I usually get 450 factories by the time the war starts

[safe wing]

90% of my USSR playthroughs are as the Tsar

[viscid stirrup]

The czar SUCKS

[safe wing]

Don’t care

Its weak yes

But its still fun

[viscid stirrup]

Getting obliterated by german cas isnt fun croseph

[fair horizon]

Mobile warfare predicted this or something like that

[safe wing]

Who says I get obliterated

[viscid stirrup]

The overpowered german focus tree

[safe wing]

That I won against numerous times

35.2 w for the win

I can do it again if you want

[viscid stirrup]

Ok

[tiny iris]

I stopped using Discord like full stop now. I am only in the HOI server now. Cuz I love HOI4.

[safe wing]

Bro seek help

[fair horizon]

Blink twice if you're being held hostage

[marsh ravine]

Play another game🙏

[tiny iris]

NEVER

[marsh ravine]

Ts ain't good or healthy😭 😭

[safe wing]

I’m on 20 discord servers and only 2 are hoi4 related

[fair horizon]

20? Rookie numbers, i was in like 10 for BDO alone

[safe wing]

I’m very picky

[fair horizon]

Btw i regret playing bdo ever

Horrible game

[tiny iris]

20? What could you possibly be on.

[safe wing]

Servers for mods primarily

Like my server tag suggests

[fair horizon]

Hes on the wizard 101 server

He wont admit it but hes a firecat alley regular

[safe wing]

But seriously I have to win a bet rn

[safe wing]

Jellyfish thinks its impossible to win against Germany as the Tsar

[viscid stirrup]

I think its hard

[fair horizon]

Isnt tsar like kinda annoying because of the civil war?

[safe wing]

I think its intermediate at best in terms of difficulty

[viscid stirrup]

Isnt it kinda annoying that ussr doesnt have a democratic path

[fair horizon]

Eh, that can be fixed after the australia dlc

[viscid stirrup]

I havent actually played monarchist russia

[safe wing]

Just hold on the Dnieper

Its honestly pretty intermediate

I got out 240 divs by barbarossa

[fair horizon]

Couldnt you just planemaxx and win that way?

[safe wing]

True

I’m gonna do that and mass mob

[viscid stirrup]

😭

Then its hard to attack

[eternal palm]

Really isn't?

[safe wing]

Or do what I do and just hold on the border

[eternal palm]

Just have a stockpile and make large div

[safe wing]

35.2

[viscid stirrup]

Germany has 10 divisions on each tile. It takes force attacking 4 heavy tanks to break through across the river

[fair horizon]

Heavy tanks across a river? Good god

Just make a marine template to get them across the river

[viscid stirrup]

“Hold the dniepr”

[fair horizon]

I dont know what a dniepr is bud

[viscid stirrup]

With the 3 research slots the ussr starts with? Impossible

[viscid stirrup]

River

Blud doesnt know georaphy

🥀 🗣️

[fair horizon]

3 research slots? Look at this fancy guy with all his research slots smh

[safe wing]

France has 3 too

[fair horizon]

Basically a technocracy

[viscid stirrup]

They can get research slots easily

Ussr research slots are locked behind 10 focuses

[fair horizon]

Australia when no 20% world tension:

[safe wing]

True but that wastes time

[fair horizon]

(You're stuck with 2)

[viscid stirrup]

And u have to finish the political paranoia

[safe wing]

350 days of focus

[tulip thorn]

4 70 day focuses

[fair horizon]

Just get rid of the navy

[safe wing]

I don’t as the tsar

[viscid stirrup]

For ussr its at least 6 70 days focuses

[viscid stirrup]

I did

I still dont have a lot of time to research mech

[fair horizon]

Skill issue then

[viscid stirrup]

😡 😡 😡

[safe wing]

Its about the same assuming you have the factory requirements

For the first one that is

[viscid stirrup]

France doesnt even matter

Theyll just cap

[tulip thorn]

Getting your 4th research slot is not that bad as the ussr

[viscid stirrup]

7 focuses

Also u have to have 100 factories by the 3rd focus

[snow rain]

And you don't do those in priority

[tulip thorn]

Most of those are 35 days

[fair horizon]

Not an issue, turkey has plenty for you to take

[safe wing]

6 of which are 35 days

[tulip thorn]

Plus they are useful focuses compared to the french ones

[eternal palm]

Why are you making tanks on mass mob 🤦‍♂️

[viscid stirrup]

But u cant take them all at the same time due to factory requirements and political paranoia

[viscid stirrup]

How else am i supposed to beat germany? Bashing infantry?

[safe wing]

Political paranoia doesn’t even matter with the industrial

[eternal palm]

Yes?

[marsh ravine]

YES

LMAOOOO

[eternal palm]

You don't make tanks on mass mob

[marsh ravine]

U battleplan

[eternal palm]

Kinda does. If u pick Purge admin it's bad

[snow rain]

That's what mass mob does
If you prefer, you can use mountaineers

[marsh ravine]

Or micro ur choice

[viscid stirrup]

It does croseph. If theres enligh paranoia, slatin will purge everyone

[safe wing]

But who does that

[viscid stirrup]

Including the advisors

[safe wing]

I just do navy

[tiny iris]

Ok, I joined other Discord servers. I need to touch grass someday but that day is not today.

[dire coral]

https://tenor.com/view/respect-sigma-sigma-moment-brollins04-gif-13718946533863593859

[eternal palm]

More people than I'd lik to admit. Also stab is big on sov

[dire coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986548840108814336/1275248760594628700/hearts_of_iron_4_IV_total_mobilization.gif

[viscid stirrup]

So im supposed to go mobile warfare as ussr?

[snow rain]

More like scapping the barrel

[marsh ravine]

You dont make tanks.

[snow rain]

What?

[marsh ravine]

You go gbp or massmob

[dire coral]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-kermit-the-frog-kermit-fapping-watching-frag-porn-gif-16905446

[marsh ravine]

If u r set on tanks do gbp

[tiny iris]

It feels like, at the point where you need scrapping the barrel, you have messed up your game.

[snow rain]

How did you come to this conclusion based on what we said?

[tiny iris]

That is NOT allowed💀

[marsh ravine]

Depends on the country

[tiny iris]

True that

[dire coral]

https://tenor.com/view/maciej-maciak-maciej-maciak-kandydat-na-prezydenta-2030-gif-1633450109357000495

[viscid stirrup]

Man ts so hard

[slim nexus]

I said two minutes ago that I hope Japan doesn’t invade me and they just did 😭

[viscid stirrup]

Theres so little supply

[slim nexus]

Speak of Cao Cao and Cao Cao arrives ig

[tiny iris]

HOI4 is so fun, right?

[viscid stirrup]

Yesss

[marsh ravine]

THEN DONT USE UR CRAPPY MASSMOB TANKS INF TAKE UP LESS SUPPLY

OR YOU CAN BUILD SUPPLY

[eternal palm]

Jondon goes crash out 💀

[marsh ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/judgement-cat-cat-angry-cat-cat-face-cat-forehead-gif-3713062559127580113

[viscid stirrup]

GUESS WHAT , THE ONLY REASON I GO MASMOB IS BECAUSE IT REDUCES SUPPLY CONSUMPTION

[tiny iris]

Why did I read Jondon as "Alf Landon"

[eternal palm]

.....

Mass mob doesn't do that.

[marsh ravine]

Don in jondon and don in landon?

[viscid stirrup]

IT LITERALLY DOES

[marsh ravine]

And brain fill in rest

[eternal palm]

Show me where

Not in mass mob

It does in deep battle

But not in mass mob

[viscid stirrup]

yeah im opening hoi4 to prove it

[eternal palm]

Oh no guys he's getting ready 💀

Watch out

He'll trvthnvke me

[snow rain]

Yeah, mass mob doesn't give supply, deep battle does

[viscid stirrup]

oh im sorry

i messed up mass mob and deep battle

i use deep battle

[marsh ravine]

Should be💅

[viscid stirrup]

gng ok

[marsh ravine]

Its not okay.

[snow rain]

Cool down man

[safe wing]

Mass mob Tsar time

[marsh ravine]

Nuh uh

[viscid stirrup]

deeo battle has tank buffss gng

[safe wing]

Deep battle is trash

[eternal palm]

HAAHAHAHA

[eternal palm]

Eh it's fine

[safe wing]

There is nothing deep about it

[marsh ravine]

Doesn't mean its a good tank doctrine 🤬

[eternal palm]

It's gbp but worse

[snow rain]

Few but it doesn't matter in sp

[safe wing]

Mass mob is better

[eternal palm]

U could just go gbp and get better buffs

[snow rain]

Not for tanks

[safe wing]

True but for the doctrine

[eternal palm]

It's like a weird middle thing

There isn't a case in which you'd use it. There used to be a sitter build with it?

But it died fast

[viscid stirrup]

yeah its better ngl

it reduces supply consumption as much

[marsh ravine]

Omd fake stat

Juat put logi