#hoi4-general
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it changed over the years but im not sure to what exactly
ohh aight
so what does 14/4 actually mean i assume one of them means the combat width?
14 inf 4 artillery
Arty's still ass and combat width changed
14/4 means 14 infantry and 4 artillery in a template
depends on what u talking about
Ohhh
infantry sucks at anything offensive all around
i got 3k soft attack with it once
unless you're doing mass mob
so there's no all-purpose meta like 7/2 was back in teh day?
are we playing the same game
nah you have to go 14/4 with spf
nope
yeah talking about vanilla
tf is artillery rework
7/2 is too small
and 14/4 is too big with no real stats
is 14/4 actually good
no
it sounds way too big
Just to be clear : 14/4 is absolutely dogshit. He's trolling you
i know u trolling but hes gon believe u
I like to do deep battle, as that gives you some mobilization bonuses, aswell as armoured bonuses and armoured cars give infantry battalions an attack bonus
no
i troll because he 100% is believing me
why use armoured cars
nah, 14/4 sounds way too big to be a meta
they're pointless
Because funny
Look up his messages if you doubt, he's one of the experienced guys saying arty is ass usually
armoured cars 😭
21km/h
does anyone even use armored cars
Plus armoured cars also gives org and recovery buffs to tanks
they're the best for garrisoning though
i just use cavalry for resistance
nobody ever uses armoured cars for frontline troops
In the Deep battle sub tree it does
light tanks
armoured cars have better suppression than cav and lower ic cost than light tanks
Armored cars are worst than light tank recon and cost more for less stats + research intensive
that's interesting
if you install one of those tank rework mods and somehow get a 0.07ic light tank then yeah light tanks would be best
u can make super cheap light tanks with higher supression than armoured cars i'm pretty sure
light tank recon also gives +10% piercing to tank division AND entrenchment if you mount dozer blade onto it, as well as the fact that you can stack breakthrough on that and medium flame
ACs aren't cheaper than light tanks. You can get cheaper light tanks with way more stats
10% hard atk,not piercing but igu
para light tanks are basically a whole tank battalion in a support slot
brk stacking 🔥
cheaper than a rifle
am finished xd
lmao
Paradox is desperately trying to make them worth our time but as long as we don't get a designer for them they'll either be abysmal dogshit or completely broken
What was this mod again ?
if you ever go mass mob NEVER go down deep battle - GBP left exists
in fact its 6 times cheaper than the ww1 rifle
i dont remember actually
what is MW right-left good for again
mechanised org wall?
It's just a tank costume with 3 kids inside
i wish armored cars were actually useful against infantry but weak against tanks and anti tank or something, that's how i imagined them
aye cool
Inf meat + tanks mix ig
cool
Nah just mountaineer org cycle
Tank roaching sadly died with gtd because no matter what you do, ger onshots any Russia
Yeah, game balance is broken rn and I fear it isn't gonna improve
No because that's the only way that pdx can make this game fun
By making bloat trees that give dopamine
Nobody gives a shit about balance or mp
They just wanna see funny number
Im glad french mp uses oak or balancing vanilla mods
does the monroe docterine work only on defensive wars?
for a south american country
Yeh
Also doesnt work if both sides are guarantees by USA
so if I attack UK here they wont enforce
Also i think i broke the french AI, as they delcared on me because i went to war with czech, but since i wasn't able to break through the maginot, i decided to pull back all my troops so i could break through the new line but they didn't advance at all
Yup
alr thank you
wdym
Ger gets mega stats so it doesn't matter if u do gbp or mw, you die within 16 months anyhow
vanilla germany?
Yes
3 years old
unless ger is stupid and allies save your ass
I assume equal skill. Of course if Germany is slightly worse then u have a chance to hold
5 years atp
And so was Battle for the bosphorus I think too
Right
I think it's over for the allies they've been bothering me too much 😭
My computer just isn't connecting to the internet so my phone is my next bet
Im tempted to pin that lol
I don't know why it does this it just does
Pls do
It's standard I post it every time in bittersteel lmao
Get your pc checked?
Like what
🧑🔧
Yeah it's just a bit useless
armored car vrooom vroooom
It decides when it wants to connect to the internet and when it doesn't want to
when should i have ideally ended the manchurian independance war?
But I think it's finally time to go around the line
what am i even looking at
oh shit
idk what in god's name just happened but the Romanians have summoned the Red Army
its hitlover
also how did you managed to get against the soviet union
Long live the Habsburg's empire!
millenium dawn
Fat sudetenland
of course
sudetenland actually owned czechia in 1931
collapsing world is the mod btw
wow i did it
i held out in the central and southern parts for over a year
until italy decided to invade switzerland
greater poland
and from there on out, fighting alongside both soviets and allied forces, I reclaimed a lot of land
I got like 25% of the score at the end
i literally rebuilt the entire czechoslovak nation
I was even nice enough to get good with my neighbours
and return vilnius and memel to lithuania
and zaolzie to czechoslovakia
it truly is greater poland
I don't think 200k casulties was worth it for this land😭
There's barely any population
The problem with Estonia is that you can't push forward without losing all your manpower
embrace mass mob
take China
use Chinese manpower
Yes, let me just sail all the way to Asia to fight China.
you are not aligned with Axis?
I am
hmm, at least though, what kind of army are you using anyway?
templates and doctrines
Regular Estonian infantry, just added AA and field hospitals
Well after invading the Soviet union I turned to France and Britain and attacked them
And somehow
Italy died to Switzerland
i took all these for "security protection"
Yet not taking finland lol
im not gonna bother with scandinavia
I have avenged the lost comrades of the second weltkrieg
bruh
HOW HAS IT BEEN 5 YEARS ALREADY?
also this template
So I took FInland and it was such a pain. I have no men in my Baltic empire so I gotta recruit every single organism to fullfill my troops.
I love minor nations but this is what I hate about them.
They have no manpower.
may I have the save game to take a look?
👀
under one Union
time to decolonise decentralise
Nvm.
in kx you can core all of europe as mosley at least
I... lost... all... that... manpower... the... second... I... unpaused... my divsions are so depleted😭
I hate Estonia.
I am never playing it again.
As Germany I keep trying to use my Soviet strat of large scale offensives along the entire front, forgetting how small Germany’s man power really is and I end up loosing almost 500k troops because my tank divisons couldn’t beat a infantry and cavalry divison due to a forest tile
100% hardness
not broken at all
they're probably not failing because of the forest but because of something else
I'm guessing enemy CAS, low stats because of flawed design/template or low supply
perhaps a combination of those
they should make minors better really, think new expansion is also depletting how they can make a diffirence
you sure it's not because of garnisons ? set everything to local police
mil governor (the default) is the worst law to be used too
no counting no garrison as a law
I do get quite decent manpower. I never thought of that, thank you.
you can save up more if you can make a 60width cavalry division with military police company
(you can do this template for about 45xp by using army spirits : pick true heritage as middle spirit, design the 60w cav -only cav bataillions- and add in the support comp. If you don't have MP company, just do a 2w cavalry div (1cav bataillion) for 5 xp
and then swap the division assigned to garrison as this new cav
lol
MIG 63 vs ww1 triplane ass screenshot
a tool that basically tips you on something
how do more people have the top achievement than the bottom one?
they formed qing but didnt annex japan or annexed it while being in a faction
Isn't it harder to kill china than japan though?
no?
once you kick Japan off the mainland they can't do much
you need a navy/airforce to kill japan
most players dont bother with those
especially when playing in china
I just had 50 transport planes and paratroopers and then just put my army in Japan once I had a port
you're at war with Japan anyway if you declare independance
you get a peace offer if you kick them from the mainland
really? I didn't
modern jets?
yes
tile next to greenland
best millenium dawn path
uh where
Didn’t you already post this
he wants everyone to know about the greatest jihad in history
Communist
fascist vikings
Total war attila has good mods that cover the rise of the Rashidun caliphate
Oh okay good to know facisim is on the board as well
Thought this was going to be a focus tree communist thing only
Communist Iceland can make Wales and Scotland rebel
Can facist Iceland not do that?
Unfortunately no
That's annoying
Armored car division
Low
i had a pic in eaw discord but im banned from there
You should be able to beat my ratio since this was with generic air MIO
i dont understand brazillian
0 to 144
nah i mean like really old models since my newer planes cost like 100 ic
How do they cost 100??
Pretty sure i used this
Which is also ehhh
But it works against ai
I cant read weird non aestetic mods
Supersonic rush italy is cooked
mb the older one was 90ic
nah its italy
how do you know
yeah ive spent 15 years in game
didnt rush supersonic
@heavy vigil oh also whats the best mio policy for plane production
-5% output cost because theres like no output cost modifiers
i did 1 supersonic ita game
oh
decided it was awful
whats a good country for air rush
i did?
usa ita (romania) allied slaves minors
its not enough to beat the migthy multiversal chechen empire
Most likely is my template and or supply as the skies are green and cas is good
6 7
🥀
tsardom of kyiv???
All of your divisons have horrible supply no wonder it’s going to take 16 days
why
i love strat bombing
tuff?
Where are all of your civs wtf
this is respectable, but weird
idk i was building mils for the last 30 years
Also what mod are you using for the other buildings
Oh, oh no they are most likely all on consumer goods
no, there are only 18 factorys on consumer goods
he truly didnt build and civs
SALZBURG IST FREI!
what nation are u
usa
barbarossa 2.0 lol
u have already taken moscow so it shouldnt be long until they cap
thats abt to end up
how much war participation do u have
like we have everything
idk
11.3m casualties 💀
why
eaw
my second game in hoi4
i have like 6 hours
how to see what achievements the country ur playing as achieve?
w
whats the most fun country to play in your opinion
i mean all i do is play nazi germany
send volunteers frfr
ive gotten 7x50k from neighbouring civil war refuges
free manpower glitch
crazy
Time to nerf it
😛
if your nerfing that, nerf communist china, free manpower
well doesnt matter i sent my mossad agents to cause civil wars in turkey and india
there is civil war in yemen iran oman and egypt
Damn
this plus my 460 pop growth my nation prolly gon hit 100mil by 2000s
more importantly, why do you only have 1 spy upgrade and 5 agents
i can get more
i have usa in my faction
so if i become spy master
thats a free slot
Monarchist Italy
Imperial Germany
Tsarist Russia, Hapsburg Poland
i have nerly 100 hours, i still refuse to go historical germany.
anyways I'm gonna play Tsarist Russia for the Tsar Bomb achivement
and maybe try to build a navy against Japan
i tryed to do that yesterday, somehow belgium is taking my land
as Germany?
yes
french sent divisons into belgiums land
did i say i had over 100 divisons on the frontline aswell?
that might be the issue tbh
if the templates are bad, if you don't have air nor AA and especially if you're lacking supplies, those divs are worth nothing
also don't put your capital in St Petersburg BTW as the Tsar
I keep it in Moscow
wait a miniute
is it possible to have St Petersburg my capital but Moscow my main supply hub?
less than a month after i declared and ive already beaten my pr, hell yeah
is this normal?
i sent spys to austria
what nation are u
ok nice
i was stupid and was trying to increase the non aligned party with the spys
then i went down the wrong path and now i gotta restart the game.... again....
the mossad x gsi is the ultimate spy agency
lovely
100/102 senate
Yeah
IT WORKED MWAHAHAH
konrad adenaur shirtless and incredibly muscular
wait this isn't the google search bar
how the hell do i beat this?
they have a fake supply hub that keeps the japanese supplied
its impossible
Ok there we go
the fire rises: WW2 edition
You mean their capital supply hub?
yes
Yeah, you just need to capitulate them
because mengjiang has cores they just moved their country basically
i did
Interesting
usa became communist, then a fascist civilwar started, then a democratic civilwar started within fascist america,
Yeah, that isnt their land
Exploring options
but ill just paradrop for the dragon ate the sun achievements
well this is new
what is the best cas design?
Put as many bombs as possible
poor poland

good job, Austria hungry
bohemia 💔
i lowkey want to give it to austria hungry but i dont have a desision for it.
is it time?
i say it is.
70% reliablity is fine right
sure?
for attacking ussr
reliablity only matters if you fight in no supply either way
so it barely matters in sp
@desert cradle I can hear you
ok
finnally, 1% done with the achivments.
Alright, but i don't think my phone has a good mic but it's better than nothing
Chinese China
honestly I think it's a terribly designed focus for alt history
Imagine Mussolini building his new roman empire in the south being a potential threat to your continental hegemony
But instead you get to puppet him with a focus
Fascist communist China is called Chinese empire
I never do that focus tbh
austria hungary but they lost their forehead
Uh the fascist greek path can do that
The monarchist one can’t
If I remember correctly
this focus allows you to begin building Macedonian Empire (if you're Absolute Monarchist)
Monarchist Greece is pretty bad unfortunately
it's probably in the game files
just me who realised just how quickly germany was doing stuff when you played hoi4 the first time
like HOW did they organise barbarossa in june 1941
as you can see
Siberian tiger
Poland? Annexed.
Your core states? Annexed.
Your gf? Annexed.
My life? Capitulated
tbh I think it was added recently
good luck though
Greece got slightly reworked during Götterdämmerung as far as I can recall
(Usual hoi4 player that doesn't know how to take screenshots)
ignore the uk and america flag
i have a mod that adds better flags
Paradox Interactive fans have two unique things in their DNA
loving Paradox Interactive games and being unable to screenshot
frfrfrfr
they can't go without each other
the soviets keep throwing units at the american lines
i mean, accurate soviet union ig
press prtsc
opens snipping tools
drag accross screen to get what you want to capture
Boom
Like this
HI
mine used to work but its broken for some reason
like whenever I push printscreen in hoi4 it just minimizes the game to desktop
OHHH
Set it to windowed mode in launcher settings
wowsers
That a weather pattern or something?
Hearts of Iron IV/map/terrain/colormap_water_0.dds
Ohhhhh, yeah I see it now
Guys, why don't we have antarcitica in the game?
Because Antartica had a population of like 10 people in WW2
Yes but it would be a fun nation to play as
Most of the terrain can't be used to build
It has no industry
No army
No navy
1 plane
They have Iceland
Iceland had an army
Then make an antartican one
Nah, jk. But I think there is a mod that gives Antarcitica a focus tree.
Idk
The new order maybe?
Hoi4 is based on realism (ish) on propagable scenarios. I would LOVE to have Antarctica but they would never have it.
Bear ruling Poland is pretty realistic to me
Honestly, I can see it happening
why would they need it
And that too
Plus it would take up space on the map
Antartica is pretty remote now and espically in 1936-1945
And the world map would HAVE to be made into a globe
like Rise of Nations?
Ich genieße ein paar köstliche Krabbenburger direkt aus Pakistan und spiele Hearts of Iron IV.
10K-2.65M is crazy 😭
vanilla hoi4 is so ahh
7 million to 200,000
(Also ignore your allies 2.57 million casualties)
Eastern front in ww1
Real
And WWII in 1941 only
Lol real
What if they added hoi4 to switch
Final map of my first game, gonna start a new one now
Played as USA
classic nuking japan
Map gore
It’s beautiful
I was looking at the namelists and yk what pisses me off
why in god's name are friedrich ebert and gustav noske in the kpd path ship namelists
they're the last people to be in there
incredible
First time seeing someone use Armour Car to really fight 🙏
Reminds me that MacArthur and Patton are general for the communist states of America
Despite both being fierce anti communists irl
And Zhukov and pretty much every cowed soviet general can defect to the whites
beautiful
y'all
i got a thing to ask
how tf does airplane production in this game work
i'm always at a minus for planes
even if i put 30 factories on them
@heavy vigil found the pic
that's too many units brother
yeah wtf
keep some in stockpile so airwings can replenish
Nice
alr
cause I CAN
yeah no
im really rich its 1947
i have transports on em
their all special forces
holy
germans just grinding planes
thermal nuclears shld delete units
geniune question
how do you endure up until 47 dude
i get bored past 42
I played till 48 in my recent run.
Idk how u stop at 42
im doing a experiment
i gave my self most of arabia and did the mpl r56 focus tree
got 460% monthly growth
i get soooo bored dude like i give up on research past 42
and all im doing is taking immigrants and refugees tryna hit 100mil pop in arabia
i guess its the consistent cycle of nothing ever happens
game start population was 13mil
like yaay i'm pushing to ussr as germany but its just so not fun
its 40mil now
past 42 it just feels pointless tbf
WHY ARE YOU STACKING 503 DIVISIONS ON A SINGLE GUY
poor dude
tryna restore qing empire was took me till 1948
cause i could
i dont really do long runs, probably should
as i said " give the crazy guy a crazy mission and you get a crazy result"
i mean i can't even find a time period to play at all anyway
Ig it was my first game so, I did this
one day a week, maybe?
its kinda boring, like, i'd rather play idk Wolfenstein with the limited time i have
give me like 3 days a week to play i'll do campaigns up until 1960
i do that in summer
never done it but very well could if i had the time
the type of shit the average turkish student has to go through REALLY limits my time
Weekends? That’s when I usually play
saturday if i'm lucky
iberia is suffering its own world war
really?
a lot of assignments dude
i can barely find time
it does
Oh damn, ig just start a long game to go over for a few weeks? I played my first game for like 3 weeks IRL
just like 4h a average game
yeah, tried that
what are you even busy with
Mine took 50 what
insane amounts of school shit
unholy amounts of
what kinda school shit taking all ur time 💔
what year are you
for example this week i've got an allout exam and the next week the first of the 4 grade exams is abouta happen
i'm talking like
every day a different subject for two weeks
it's hell
huh
how hard is the exam
my personal experience
very
yeah depends on the country you live in
lets see how much i control by the end of today (historical path)
i just study one week before
singapore
i've known someone that went to canada for a few months
1 week is all it takes to study
and she was like all talking about how it was much much easier there
i spend the whole year slackin
not over here dude
and study hard for 1 week
god i wish i could do that
what is it called
ima just google a past year paper
you can't really like hold o n
i can't really explain WHAT you should be looking for
kinda complicated
lets see if i can get another achivment-
okay the best explanation is that
every subject has its own exam consisting of whatever much questions they like with no a/b/c/d/e, no, you're supposed to memorize the shit
this is done for all subjects for two weeks
then there's the allout exams
this one HAS the choices
but as the name suggests
wym
it has all the subjects in it
😭 what
erm lemme google the turkish version
what would be the fastest way for me to get more mils?
dear god
invest in economy
12th graders over here prepare for the biggest exam of their lives
YKS
college program
same but
it includes ALL subjects from 9 10 11 12
im built different
i lowkey dont know how to do that -_-
real flex i got A1 on bio and geog after my teacher said i would fail and ive done 0 hw or studying
uh hold on
actually done only like 10% of hw in my whole time in school
right now i'm assuming you're from the West right? What do you get taught in maths?
singapore
the opposite side of the west
damn i was off wtf
literally
i go to a school that allows you to work at your own pace
currently 2 grade levels ahead in math
like this
wait wrong one
this is A math
huh okay this is weirdly the same shit our 12ths have
prime me would've got this right in 30 mins
piss out more mils
🤷♂️ i dont think education is that different in the world
still anyway
we get a shit ton of assignments
and thats the real reason to why i cant play
what is the best destroyer template for 1940?
that isnt a answer sheet with ugly ahh handwriting
i dont do any 👅
then how the hell are u "succesfull" in exams dude
last week probably cant stand alone
successful*
well all the exams are broken up
so technically if you study one week before per subjec
every subject u get one week to study
oh you have it easy
lowkey that would take hours, i dont feel like waiting
no no like
each subject
is on a day
and their in a row
when i say study one week before
nah if u playin germany
and usually by the exam im good enough to get at least a B
i usually rush all of it to the final days, past that only doing assignments and whatnot
sometimes i do fail but its usually chinese i fail
i could use this
and idc bout chinese
you get taught chinese there?
damn
do u have high consumer goods
i have like 8 of them on spy agency upgrades rn
well in singapore we get taught english first
and we do classes for our mother tongues
depending on your ethnicity
im straits chinese
10 of them*
so i take chinese
then uh reduce trade
over here it's english and german for high school (maybe french instead of german in certain ones)
idk chinese doe
you can take a 3rd of your choice
ill prolly stop spy upgrades after this one and allow them to create a sh1tton of mills
ik a turk in primary
pretty sure he did turkish
and chinese
well obviously turkish
yes and chinese
i didn't think id have to say that
but chinese?
never heard of it
maybe he goes to a tutor or something
alot of immigrants take chinese and their mother tongue
in official (and private) schools pretty sure you cant get chinese
part of school system
the schools usually teach 2-3 mother tongues
i never had that option
and if it doesnt teach urs
u either take one of the available or take your one outside
alot of people take the school one and their own
different systems
hold on, are you talking about turkish schools or singaporean
i'm confused
singapore
I'm alive
the turkish guy was in singapore
ohhhh ok
we went to school together
i thought you meant from turkey
like turkish schools
and i was confused like
wtf we dont see chinese
well our system basically is teach the students english first
and let em learn their mother tongues and others later
no we take it together english priority was when we where young
english first literally means english is the first language u learn in school
yes
damn
its cause we got lotta ethnic groups
gotta make sure everyone understands each other
makes sense
yeah
hollon i gtg
alr
go to #tech-support
with or without mods it crashes
Is there a channel for achievement guides?
alright, thank you
The True Gaming
why in the actual fukc is america sending land-lease to german reich
why out of everything it's 9.2k fuel
wtf bruh
in a World where puppet-king united entire China, it's pretty likely for USA to support Germans
hey!!!! pay some respect duh
a Pupper Emperor
true mb
not some pathetic ass king
much better
Weird
someone moved to the other place
god i still don't get how paradox STILL couldn't fix the horrendous peace confrences
aye yall gl
rt56?
they shld taking ships cheaper
yeah
that isnt good
do they get a peaceout
world aint going too good
my problem is sometimes
you fully beat a nation
take all its land
but cant afford its navy
and its just all gone now
yeah i got that issue too so i take navy first
then puppet them in one state
alot of the baltics
but then i run out of points
dont work if u democratic
cause u cant annex dem puppets
i usually use the god-sent gift of the mod Player-led Peace Confrences
unless you want an achivement i'd say use it
ima nuke enemy ships
im tired of dealing wit em in the water
ima just nuke em in the docks
more terrirory for me lets go! time to demand the sudentland.
eh em.. i mean "trade" for the sudent land
Nukes are sort of overrated
Normal nukes are good at reducing troop strength
Thermonuclear bombs are good at destroying industry and infrastructure
when the country is so cruel that the leader is considered mythological and nightmarish
But they aren't automatic wins
if you compare "The Brigade" to Burgundy, Burgundy will look like a stable country
brauh y would you take muurmanski from finland 💔
ik ive just been nuking the frontline
and sitting
forced peace deal
farming germans
ideas for a historical germany run but to spice it up with some templates or something?
no like why'd you declare on them un the first place
to take over Onega
twin fix yo matrix ts shi not normal yo pixels stuck
"steppixel i'm stuck come get me out" type shi
hmmm i see
I thought that simply black screen is too plain
mentally handicap germany
mf so evil that even Himmler takes lessons from him
10000 pure infantry max templates
OH I JUST MIGHT
0 manpower reserves
FULL 35 INFANTRY DIVISIONS MASS MOB
is anything written beneath those pixels or uhhh
ONLY FRONT LINE PLANNING
yes
yeah
go my son
or is it like that in-game
the faces, the text
you have learned
oOOOOOOOH
the secret family secret
MILLIONS SHALL PERISH BECAUSE I CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO MICRO
can i see it uncensored
YES MY SON
yeah, dms
AS OUR ANCESTORS DID
imagine if it was like that irl
20000000 GUYS RUNNING AT MACHINE GUNS
like some general got hungover and couldn't think of a plan that day
chinese warfare 👀
So many players here be like
but seriously, i never done a run like that, i just might
👀
i did
i regret
it ruined my stat page
like one day i felt like it did a min maxed england run
and once i maxxed out i changed all my units to infantry and pushed germany non stop
that's a seriously cursed division
yes
its the "special" division
fu ouda here
@ripe slate sir
beat his ahh
thank you
i opened my phone
and it was a instagram hitler speach in cantonese
i think i saw that lmao
more expansion. preparing for polish invasion
you're doing great buddy, keep it up
save the game before you go further
it is scarely op doe
for some dam reason
it melts
its basically a walking cannon division
probably breakthrough and modifiers
ah alr
Your breaktrhough might be a bit low but yeah that can be good
its so good at defending too
cause of the hardness
Although I might just stick with 1943 heavies
hardnes is low though
i mean for infantry div
ah it's the org as well
