hoi4-general

[bright sinew]

its 1939 and i only just united russia lmfao

... almost everyone

dear god no

wait

what

that doesnt make

oh im an idiot.

[heavy vigil]

Depends

Left is better for cores

Right side better for everything else

[bright sinew]

Oh thank god someone is here who has played this before

Okay so like

I played this last night and went to bed at 2 am, so I guess i forgot that this existed; so it's 1940 and this is where I am on the White Russian '5 year plan' or whatever

I understand if you get locked out of that too early going to war with Germany you are screwed as the USSR maybe, so is that the case here lol

[heavy vigil]

Uh oh

[bright sinew]

I don't know if I have time

I mean it's December 1st 1939

[heavy vigil]

Youre supposed to RUSH that down ASAP

[bright sinew]

yeah lol

[heavy vigil]

Not delay it at any point

[bright sinew]

i rushed down the government side

[heavy vigil]

No

Always five year plan first for ahist

[bright sinew]

its ironman

LOL

[heavy vigil]

Your eco is bad anyway

Just restart?

[bright sinew]

ugggh

[heavy vigil]

In general if youre a new player

[bright sinew]

well im 3.8k hours

lol

[heavy vigil]

Its better to have the ability to make, revert to saves

[bright sinew]

aye

[heavy vigil]

New to a path too

[bright sinew]

fair

[heavy vigil]

Cuz ur able to learn

[bright sinew]

lmaoo rip

the civil war is really fun

all the encirclements in the tundras

those 30 medium bombers at the start set to cas literally carried my entire army lol

ngl

it's kinda lame that they didn't change the tooltips for things like 'soviet-german pact'

when you're not the soviet union

[sudden falcon]

i swear to god

if my units walk away from a FRONT LINE ORDER

on the ONLY PORT ON THIS LANDING

AGIAN

i will delete this game

[bright sinew]

wdym

whats your cohesion at

[serene token]

My units switch around every 5 seconds.

[sudden falcon]

balanced

[bright sinew]

o i was literally about to send these to ask if you had seen em

not many new players notice it

hm

set a fallback line on the port?

i mean that's a dodgy way

or just defensive order with it set only to ports

[sudden falcon]

god this game is SUCH A JOKE

[bright sinew]

lol

idk ive never had that problem

[sudden falcon]

they MOVE AWAY FROM A LOSING BATTLE

tO GO TO A GREEN BUBBLE

[bright sinew]

what green bubble

what

can you take a screenshot

[trim pike]

Dont say that

[slim nexus]

Why does France almost always go communist in non-historical singleplayer? 😭

[atomic grove]

if germany goes kaiser route]

and they do expatriate the communists

(which they always do)

france goes commie

[slim nexus]

Okay lol

[atomic grove]

if kaiser route didnt happen though

its normal

because u turned off historical

[slim nexus]

Oh alright

[solemn bay]

Paraguay did NOT deserve that

[atomic grove]

now that i think about it

why the hell is paraguay called a "republic" when it becomes fascist

[slim nexus]

Paraguay noooo 😭

[atomic grove]

it kind of doesnt make sense

[solemn bay]

Good point actually

[sudden falcon]

oh my god

im going to kill japan

thank you so much japan for making the us join the allies 1 month before i capitulate the british

thank you SO MUCH JAPAN

[modest coyote]

almost all of the world is at war

[azure seal]

that's why they call it a world war

[sudden falcon]

im literally

going to shoot myself

this war would be over

but no

now i have to remake the entire fleet

just becauase japan couldnt wait 1 month

if japan waited

one month

before declaring on a country they have YET TO EVEN ATTACK

i would have a full fleet and a landing point in europe

[rustic python]

my blackice multiplayer update - and yet the soviets are not surrendering

Jan 1944 tank production

[serene token]

Machine.....

[wraith mauve]

Has anyone played that zombies mod

[safe wing]

Every year

[wraith mauve]

What doctrine do u think is the best against zombies

[spare laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/tiger-this-person-is-this-person-is-near-your-house-this-person-is-100km-near-your-house-tank-gif-13711770375498576739

[trim pike]

Thats a fast ass tiger

[misty fossil]

Should have started building a navy on day 1

[bright sinew]

lol

i feel kinda embarrassed

but

[misty fossil]

you arent over with that game yet?

[bright sinew]

i've had a world map up on my damn wall forever, and i just now asked myself,

"is luxembourg... is luxembourg still its own country, or did it join france or something later? i dont think ive ever seen it on a map... have i?"

looks up on wall,
squints
gets closer
"Ohhhhh hey it's still a thing!"

im srry to anyone from luxembourg

and to all teh europeans

[misty fossil]

the humble liechtenstein

[bright sinew]

who are now raging at how stupid americans are

at geography

"OI U FELLAH DINT KNU DA LXUEMBOURGGGG AHHHE ??? GIBIB?"

[misty fossil]

you’re better than some

[bright sinew]

jkjk

xD

[misty fossil]

ive heard some americans putting japan in canada

[bright sinew]

Europe's really cool tbh

Like my god

[misty fossil]

like they were asked where japan is and they would point to canada

hearsay anyway..

[dusky burrow]

What if you have a T-54 at home

[bright sinew]

So many countries that once existed there, and just crazy things like -
the Holy Roman Empire and the United States once existing at the same time and having political ties

[misty fossil]

weird isnt it

thats the state of most things

We think we have a grip on everything but we dont

the last public hanging in france was in the same year a new hope was released (1977)

[wraith mauve]

Any cool looking map mods

[misty fossil]

tfr map

i love it

[wraith mauve]

Ok

Like Mal design not like the actual map

[trim pike]

That is a map design

[quartz jungle]

I only have a week or two left as a 13 year old 💔

Started playing this game when I was 8,
Changed me forever

[wraith mauve]

U dying or what

[wraith mauve]

Like I can use it in vanilla?

[quartz jungle]

I just wanna be 13 for a bit longer

[wraith mauve]

Oh ur turning 14

[quartz jungle]

14 feels too old

[wraith mauve]

U made me think u was dying

Also guys never get zombies mod i litterly got coalitioned by every nation including zombies

[heavy vigil]

Just did a bolivia game

Might continue later

[quartz jungle]

[heavy vigil]

AMA as a now bolivia expert

The game btw

[wraith mauve]

Im thinking of doing provisional Russia should I ?

[heavy vigil]

(ending for now)

[wraith mauve]

Bruh

[quartz jungle]

Do you like femboys?

[heavy vigil]

Yeah im gay

[wraith mauve]

Would u like Christ in your life

[heavy vigil]

Christ is cool, chill guy

[jovial carbon]

bro i got wooped

[quartz jungle]

I wanna say something but its probably gonna be too freaky

[jovial carbon]

they sent 9500 fighters

to italy

[heavy vigil]

Then dont say it in this chat :>

[jovial carbon]

and sent a quadrillion divisons

[wraith mauve]

Seriously bro

[wraith mauve]

It’s made more 1.15

[quartz jungle]

Just play with it, nothing will go wrong

I've used older map mods like this on newer versions

[wraith mauve]

Ok

[jovial carbon]

how do i win as italy

im better with austria than italy

😭

[quartz jungle]

Why are you losing?

Tell me first

[jovial carbon]

they keep sending their entire airforce and a quadrillion divisions

when i try to form the roman empire

and i cant push on lines even with no supply deficit or equipment deficit

idk if its a template issue

[quartz jungle]

Are you producing trains?

[stark rain]

I

[jovial carbon]

oh...

[stark rain]

Conquer

The world

[jovial carbon]

😭

[stark rain]

My fleet is stronk

[quartz jungle]

You know if you shift click on supply hubs they'll expand the supply range with trucks?

[jovial carbon]

my supply was fine

its just that i could never push

[stark rain]

I have

Level

10

Manstein

General

[quartz jungle]

Go defensive and drain their manpower

[jovial carbon]

alright

[quartz jungle]

Put a field medic on your templates too

[stark rain]

I have

[quartz jungle]

Also support anti-air

[stark rain]

Stronk

Infantry

Template

I have

Alot

Of

Puppet

I have

A stronk

Country

1st in the world

I

Conquer

America

In

1 month

[quartz jungle]

Type normally

[stark rain]

Yea

Anyway superior firepower is damn cheating it's give massive soft attack better than mobile warfare doctorine

Bec German empire I use superior firepower and it's give enemy massive casualties

And I

Love

Bragging

[finite plume]

Superior Firepower's weak in my opinion

Sure like 20%+ Soft attack

But that's percentile

20% of say 5.0 as infantry equipment is just 1 extra soft attack

[candid oxide]

in single player superior firepower is fun but GBP is technically better

[hoary mortar]

yeah

its great in SP

[finite plume]

GBP's a good doctrine

[hoary mortar]

i hardly used grand battle plan I think

[heavy vigil]

Not even technically its a lot better

Sfp is only good on like china

Mass mob and gbp are just always superior otherwise

[hoary mortar]

thought it'd be good say for USA

[candid oxide]

i like SFP soviet union

[heavy vigil]

Mo

No*

[candid oxide]

you get an arty build use 9/3

[heavy vigil]

Its just low stats

[candid oxide]

sexy

[stark rain]

Nah

[hoary mortar]

aah

[heavy vigil]

Literally sfp is worse with line arty than mass mob

Its so bad

[stark rain]

GBT is good for defensive and then counterattack

[brittle cypress]

nah 14/4s are where it's at

[hoary mortar]

dang i like having arty with my infantry

I should try grand battleplan again then

[finite plume]

Yes, but the planning bonuses gained by GBP are vastly larger than SF's bonuses

like 20%+ Soft attack vs maybe even 80%+ max

[heavy vigil]

I mean i can make any doctrine "work" in singleplayer if i want to

[hoary mortar]

aah

[heavy vigil]

On like basically any nation

But mobile warfare and sfp are the weakest for sure

[stark rain]

What bonus are using for

[heavy vigil]

Attack

[finite plume]

Planning bonus just boosts your stats across the board for attack

[stark rain]

Oh

Yea that's why In my opinion I think bgt are good at defensive and then counterattack

[hoary mortar]

wait seriously? Mobile warfare is my fav

[heavy vigil]

You dont defend

It actually sucks at defending

Its good at attacking though

[stark rain]

Honestly I usually use only two doctrine GBT and sp

[finite plume]

Other than some small buffs, it's very centric and lacks any diverse bonuses

You get good tank buffs but your infantry, defense, etc lacks

[stark rain]

Ain't it give massive defenese?

[heavy vigil]

Only gives org and div speed

[stark rain]

Like prepared defenese

[heavy vigil]

It doesnt give org or reinforce rate

[hoary mortar]

Aah fair

[heavy vigil]

Crucial for defense

[finite plume]

Entrenchment doesn't matter if you can't recover fast

Which is what massed assault is good for

[hoary mortar]

oh ok ty. It is mostly tank focused anyway

[stark rain]

But I think in every template GBT is the highest organization gives to division

[heavy vigil]

Org is what you want on the defense

Not offense

The speed is ok but it doesnt help in combat

[finite plume]

There's a point for tanks where you don't really need it to be faster

Cause if you run out of fuel then you just lose all that speed

[stark rain]

Tank I only use for encircle ment unit

At least 7 tank division in one game

[hoary mortar]

ah ty. I always loved having fast tanks to shred infantry and encircle

[finite plume]

So you gotta try and keep your pace steady while also advancing

[stark rain]

It's eating ur oil

[hoary mortar]

I always build at least 10-20 or more tank divs

or more

[stark rain]

Quality over quantity

Trust me

[finite plume]

On a side note the Caribbean without straits would be annoying 🥀

[stark rain]

Just make a good template for tank

[finite plume]

Build what you are capable of reliably maintaining, but don't cheap out on doing so

[hoary mortar]

ooh ok ty

I oughta try remaking my tank divs for the next game

[stark rain]

I recommend bittersteel channel

He give you a really good division template recommend

[quartz jungle]

Nice profile

[hoary mortar]

Ooh yes bittersteel

[hoary mortar]

His Germany video helped me so much lol. Especially with industry preparing

defeated the allies by 1940 or 41 I think then USSR quickly too

I want to do a Germany navy game next

[night lintel]

goy

[quartz jungle]

I'm ethnically Jewish

Not really a goy

[hoary mortar]

Cool tbh

Anyways gn fellas cya later

[quartz jungle]

Gn!

[wraith mauve]

I need help with Russian civil war can somone send me a video guide or smth

[night lintel]

make all your divs 1 art batallion then convert them on cavalry on civil war then rush cities

[wraith mauve]

Ok

Ty

[quartz jungle]

Tip: Micromanage closely

[remote quarry]

that's not really the correct way to think

sfp buffs are better

but it only affects your soft attack

the issue is that sfp is purely defensive

it doesn't give you any breakthrough bonus

[opal nymph]

Ironic when it is the "manpower is precious, bullets are cheap" doctrine

[finite plume]

In what way

[opal nymph]

If everyone has only 1 doctrine slot unlocked, SFP is best

For only 100xp you get like a flat 10% extra soft attack

[finite plume]

Long term that's neglectful

1936 inf eq only has 6 soft attack

10%+ is just 0.6

[remote quarry]

that's just the wrong way of thinking

[finite plume]

Then what's the right way

[remote quarry]

10% extra attack on the base stat is better than 10% planning

[sudden falcon]

thank you paradox for focusing on giving me mannerheim for doing the nordic council but not giving me any say or peace option when the soviets come for karjala when finland is my puppet

[remote quarry]

because say your base planning is 60%

then the change from 60% -> 70% is only a 6.25% increase

[finite plume]

No doctrine gives planning at the start

[remote quarry]

planning start at 30%

[finite plume]

GBP gives max entrenchment and entrenchment speed

[remote quarry]

and it's easy to bring it up to 60%

[remote quarry]

which is irrelevant

and again, same thing for entrenchment

[finite plume]

mass assault gives reinforce rate, minimum training level, and weekly casualty w ar support

[remote quarry]

the base entrenchment is like 20%

?so

[finite plume]

You're basing an entire doctrine just by the first tech

That's a stupidly shortsighted POV

[remote quarry]

the entire doctrine of sfp give you bonus to the base soft/hard attack

it's the entire tree

which is, on its own, slightly better than the planning from gbp

however, it doesn't give you any breakthrough

[finite plume]

And yet it's still beat in raw stats by GBP or Massed Assault

[remote quarry]

gbp gives you breakthrough and the extra planning apply to breakthrough as well

[remote quarry]

well only in soft attack

[finite plume]

And isn't that the whole point of SF

🤷‍♂️

[opal nymph]

You are Sweden right? Don't you still have access to Finland's cause is our cause?

Or are you Nordic Council Finland

[remote quarry]

yeah im just saying it doesn't make sense to say like gun 1 has 6 soft so making it 6.6 doesn't matter

and that sfp is a very defensive doctrine

[sudden falcon]

i didnt do that focus

finland was my puppet

[finite plume]

That 0.6 disappears when most countries start with trench warfare

[sudden falcon]

i didnt even get a "x is justifying against us" notification

[opal nymph]

Then perma war for you

[sudden falcon]

and i didnt get a single peaceout option

what a wonderful focus tree

have fun allies

[opal nymph]

Finland cause is our cause let's you insta win if you capture leningrad

I never had these issues as Nordic Defense Council

[sudden falcon]

yeah but they kinda did it instantly

[opal nymph]

And?

[sudden falcon]

cuz this was after i warred finland

when they denied the nordic council

[opal nymph]

You didn't expect them to fight Finland?

[sudden falcon]

i didnt know it was going to happen at that moment

[opal nymph]

They go after whoever has the state

[sudden falcon]

i didnt get a notification until they declared war

[opal nymph]

Just expect it will happen any time after Poland falls

But you can leave all of finland empty

Take leningrad

War ends. You win

[sudden falcon]

anyways the entire nordics are at war with everyone but the allies

[opal nymph]

But why

Did you really rage quit after getting jumped

When you should have expected it

[opal nymph]

Ah

You forgot to garrison Norway/Denmark

[sudden falcon]

no i did

itsj ust that they broke through 6 divisions across a strait

[opal nymph]

What divisions do you have?

12 widths with no support AA?

[sudden falcon]

all fully equipped btw

wrong ss

[opal nymph]

Well

You got reinforce memed

[sudden falcon]

lvl 5 fort in the tile too btw

[opal nymph]

Because defense divisions should be 10-18 widths

Preferably 16 or 18 width

No line arty

[opal nymph]

And they broke 2 of your divisions and walked in for free

Did you do radio tech

[sudden falcon]

up to 1938

i didnt do 1941 radio tech yet

[opal nymph]

Eh, CAS ruins people's days anyways

If you only had like 2/3 troops in battle, they could easily have been broken all at once

And you get memed out of the tile

[sudden falcon]

when are germans supposed to barb

[opal nymph]

And that is why we use smaller divisions on the defense

So we can cycle in troops and they have more org

[opal nymph]

Whenever they dont feel threatened

[sudden falcon]

its still a strait

and a lvl 5 fort

[opal nymph]

Give it 41-42

[sudden falcon]

with lvl 2 aa

[opal nymph]

They had air superiority

[sudden falcon]

aa in my divisions

[opal nymph]

AA just reduces penalties

But you are still penalized

They only had to break 2/3 of your 6 divisions to reinforce meme you

[sudden falcon]

it was a 3 directional attack

[opal nymph]

Oh

[sudden falcon]

combat width is increased

[opal nymph]

Well that negates the fort bonus

[gusty oracle]

hi

[opal nymph]

Fort bonuses are reduced by a fort level per direction attacked i believe

Hello

[sudden falcon]

"let me just run into your wall at a 45 degree angel real quick"

[opal nymph]

Think of it as outflanking the fortifications

[spare laurel]

Why is the Image Missing by Anti Air?

[warped flint]

my hoi4 hours are going up disturbingly high amounts recently

[spare laurel]

[opal nymph]

Outflank the forts

The forts may secure a vital point, but if you go around, you can bypass defenses or force people to defend in a less advantageous spot

[vast quiver]

guys i made WW1 last 8 Years

[opal nymph]

Jeez, wasn't it already bad enough

[cedar lance]

where can i find the developer corner

[opal nymph]

#hearts-of-iron-news

[cedar lance]

no i mean the roadmap

[opal nymph]

Browse the forums or #latest-updates

[cedar lance]

oh alr sorry mb

today is coming out the next developer corner

[cedar lance]

yes i saw

in latest updates

[toxic lotus]

I have 2056h

[toxic lotus]

Wait really i tought there were more coming

[split bane]

There will be more after the announcement, Dev Corners are kinda sneak peeks into the development stuff while Dev Diaries (that are gonna happen after the announcement) will go more in depth for all the stuff

[toxic lotus]

Ok ok

[remote quarry]

huh?

[wraith mauve]

Fascist or monarchist Russia which one

I just finished the civil war

Anyone?

[slim nexus]

LMAO THIS AIN'T NOTHING LIL BRO

[warped flint]

Ok

i am very much aware

[slim nexus]

Lil bro that doesn't even take into account the time spent thinking about the game

Because you have to think in this game, this isn't some yee-yee ahh kindergarten game.

[warped flint]

it is to me

[split bane]

Monarchist

[slim nexus]

Fascist if you ain't a lil bih

[slim nexus]

You is pbe though.

[warped flint]

what

[cedar lance]

oh man im hyped and pumped

for the next DLC

[sharp sierra]

ready to take out a loan for it

[uneven portal]

it's far away bro

they're like 10% done at max

ok maybe not 10%

but sitll

[past swallow]

I think I’ll need a lot of time to master the energy/coal gimmic

[sharp sierra]

i feel like it might come out in january

im not too excited about the coal thing

it better not be a hassle

more buttons to mindlessly click

[past swallow]

i think it’s fair, when i started playing hoi4 and saw the laws I was asking me if there was like a malus or something for mobilization but idk i have to play this coal thing to have an exacy opinion

[sharp sierra]

uhhuh im just worried about what its going to be like for minor countries

how hard is it going to be to snowball when 90% of my territory is occupied non core land

and im fighting every nation on earth

as south africa or something

whats it going to be like for ethiopia

[past swallow]

the baltics will become a struggle for survival

[uneven portal]

late reply but 15 divs is enough for the middle, send them somewhere else

[past swallow]

doesn’t ethiopia have like isolation or some special law?

[sharp sierra]

they have a handful of terrible national spirits

[gusty oracle]

@opal nymph war thunder

[rustic furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-war-thunder-my-little-pony-twilight-sparkle-angry-gif-27239352

[gusty oracle]

correct

[spice finch]

@everyone

[uneven portal]

u literally don't need a doctrine in sp

it's that easy

[scenic moon]

Life without war thunder isnt life🗣️💥

[dusk knoll]

i got the game but i refunded it because the tutorial took like 30 minutes and i didnt even understand the game am i cooked

[gusty oracle]

what is even the point

[dusk knoll]

what

[rustic furnace]

Bro left

[mellow jetty]

i like circle

[hushed helm]

yes, The United States is allied to the United States

https://tenor.com/view/developer-code-buzz-lightyear-meme-7kt-gif-25051539

[sudden grotto]

It was too much to handle

[rustic furnace]

Yeah

[misty fossil]

bro thought the game was as easy as using tiktok

[tiny plank]

What is best divisons for volunteers?

[ripe slate]

The best you got, Id do 30% tanks or so and the rest your best infantry

[sudden grotto]

Depends by country ig

[sudden grotto]

Real

[cursive oxide]

Depends or the Nation you sending it to

[misty fossil]

36w

um

the idea is you send volunteers to grind general traits

i would send a tutorial here but theres none i trust

[sudden grotto]

Steiner about to get that juicy 10 attack

[misty fossil]

11 attack you mean

[tiny plank]

I want to do volunteer only campaign so

Should i build navy?

[misty fossil]

navy is like gambling except you will keep winning

[misty fossil]

this is how fun navy can be

[tiny plank]

But i don't plan to have navy

But if i did what is optimal naval factories?

Is 10 enough?

[misty fossil]

70 minimum

with 10 factories you can expect to have a decent navy by 1990

[sudden grotto]

Navy build needs a navy run 🔥

[tiny plank]

I only build submarines

Maybe 10 or so destryer for defence

Idk but kamikaze planes can destroy most ships

[daring tundra]

Sorry, but I would rather be looking forward getting the achievements using mods that actually make it fun

[supple gulch]

If you want to build and refit the navy, do the followings:
1, upgrade the secondary battery armaments.
2, upgrade the anti aircraft battery armaments.
3, upgrade the radar systems
4, upgrade the range finder and fire control system accoustics.

And if you want to hunt down the convoys efficiently, you need to search the deeper waters,

[daring tundra]

I could say I kind of know how to navy, but carriers are something that is beyond me. Are they useful? If so, how should they be used?

Besides the obvious of carrying planes

Are they just bigger battleships?

[supple gulch]

They are useful, they were used to carry fighters, dive bombers, and torpedo bombers, they provide an air strike from the oceans and take down everything on its path

[daring tundra]

Can they get armed with batteries?

Or are they just a floating airport?

[torpid dragon]

Cheap lots of quantity

[fallow grove]

Tbh if the game was historically accurate Germany should not start with heavy military industry in 1936 because at that date even the us already was spending more in military than germany

And Soviet Union also

Well even france

Was

[ripe slate]

Germany was faking statistics though so

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[fallow grove]

But still their gdp was way way smaller than the us even when they spent 75% of it in military it didn’t even reach half what the us or soviet were spending

In 1936 even faking statistics it was humanly impossible to spend more than the other majors

[ripe slate]

France wasnt exactly efficient with that money is all I know

[fallow grove]

Germany consistently had the larger economy. By 1939 the entire Axis powers' GDP was $911 billion in international dollars (1990 prices), with the United States' GDP alone ($1,094 billion) surpassing the Axis combined.

That’s what I found

Germany had largest economy among axis powers but not even all of them combined surpassed the us

[ripe slate]

Mhm

[fallow grove]

Yes actually is true also for 1936 the biggest spenders were Soviet then us then Germany

Germany obviously counting its fake statistics as which were not fake they just were saying they were spending the money on something else

Yes, the Allied powers were aware of Germany's rearmament efforts, though the exact extent was initially a secret. By 1935, Germany's open announcement of plans to rebuild its air force and reintroduce conscription made the rearmament efforts undeniable. However, despite this knowledge, Britain, France, and other nations largely appeased Hitler, choosing to tolerate Germany's violations of the Treaty of Versailles rather than confront it militarily

And the rearmament stopped being secret by 1935

[trim pike]

Reliability is too high

Also not a very good tank

[fallow grove]

No breakthrough

Try to change that

[torpid dragon]

If I have a lot of tanks I can surround them

[torpid dragon]

It's just a line of tanks

[fallow grove]

I am not sure how it works in that mod

What a line of tanks means?

If u got 16k tanks why not make them with breakthrough and steamroll everyone

😹

[torpid dragon]

There really is very little breakthrough

[fallow grove]

So

Why you still in 1945 😹

You should be able to win against everyone

[torpid dragon]

bro just try to1v1 with me

just play soviet union

i will show you

❤️‍🔥

[fallow grove]

If the Soviet Union is a human player you have 0 chance of winning 😭

[torpid dragon]

That's what I'm talking about for those who don't play hoi4😭 🙏 [noob]

[neat kayak]

Cheese even more

Do a paratroop

Then exit main menu

Do another one

And repeat

If you want do a collab gov

So they cap when Paris fall and a city worth of 15 points

[fallow grove]

I’m down to do a 1v1

[torpid dragon]

Cmon

soviet or german?

[fallow grove]

But if you are Germany against an human Soviet you can’t win just because insane manpower bleed

[torpid dragon]

Road or vanilla?

[fallow grove]

Vanilla

I’ll let u know later im not at home

[torpid dragon]

You so very pro player omg

😭 🙏

[fallow grove]

It has nothing to do with being pro

It’s about watching the frontline and put my own tanks were your tanks are

[torpid dragon]

just try to 1v1

[fallow grove]

Also against a human Soviet you will get pushed back with massed infantry wherever your tanks are not present so

Now you know why

[torpid dragon]

just try to 1v1 with me

[fallow grove]

In around 2 hours you down?

[torpid dragon]

Of cours

e

[fallow grove]

Also while you are building up military a Soviet can literally get Poland romania and turkey for free

😹

[slim nexus]

Did Paradox change the Army Morale chief?

[ripe slate]

🔫

[slim nexus]

It used to say that it decreases penalties of non-combat out of supply effects

But now it says that it simply increases division recovery rate

[fallow grove]

Lol

[slim nexus]

Army regrouping military high command does the same thing

Which nation has an army morale chief?

[torpid dragon]

There must be rules

[fallow grove]

Communist China

[torpid dragon]

Or let me take the Baltic

[fallow grove]

Ok you make the rules then

[torpid dragon]

Want to talk privately?

[ripe slate]

That trait and command power cap from old guard are both trash

[torpid dragon]

chat

[fallow grove]

Ok

[ripe slate]

It was better when old guard and state serves the military gave PP

[fallow grove]

True some army spirits are just bad

[heavy vigil]

Good early morning

[slim nexus]

Oops MY CAT IS ON KEYBARD!

[ripe slate]

@slim nexusPlease dont post that stuff, this is a PG13 server+people dont want to randomly have Hitler on their screen

[ripe slate]

Good morning

[slim nexus]

Hmmm nope

Army morale expert is still the same it was

Just checked it out on Japan

[ripe slate]

Still out of combat supply?

[slim nexus]

Yep

[ripe slate]

I did change it in Road to 56 to be recovery pretty sure

[slim nexus]

What is the point of it, though?

Make it so encircled units are better off?

[ripe slate]

Of the vanilla one?

[slim nexus]

Yeah

[ripe slate]

If I understand it correctly, then perhaps you could put more troops in bad supply areas pre-war

Lets say, the Manchurian border

And then rush in before the peacetime penalty loses its effect

[slim nexus]

I find it hard to make a use of ir

[ripe slate]

^^

And old guard is even more garbage

[slim nexus]

I'm gonna stick with army maneucer expert

Yeah old guard is garbage

[lapis snow]

Flat attack buffs are just better

[ripe slate]

Against AI surely you dont need them with good templates and you might as well take speed?

[slim nexus]

Speed is amazing

It breaks and makes games.

You know I just realized that Venezuela has a military high command akin to how Germany plays

They got CAS, Subs and Tanks experts

Why does Venezuela tank company not include heavy tanks?

And why does it's only naval company work only on screen ships?

This sucks man I'd rather play something else

They also got no support equipment company

Nor a oil refining company which is even weirder considering that they are a oil nation

Wallahi man I'm finished Imma play something else

Any recommendations?

I like France

[ripe slate]

I like interventionist UK

I recently played it and puppeted France kek

They guaranteed Belgium who I got a wargoal on

Germany while I conquer the Benelux and France before them as a democratic country:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/649319187973668874.webp?size=2048

[slim nexus]

Should I play with historical focuses off?

[ripe slate]

It adds variance which is nice, unless you play USSR and Japan could suddenly attack you from behind

[fallow grove]

Talking about speed

If a division retreats and you are faster than them and reach their retreating tile u destroy them?

[slim nexus]

Yeah, it's called overrun

[fallow grove]

An infantry retreating has 4km speed?

[slim nexus]

Yep but there's a lot of modifiers for speed

[placid radish]

If its under red air you lose speed

[fallow grove]

How much speed

35%?

[slim nexus]

I think it's 50% max

But they have to be really superior on air

[placid radish]

I think 32.5% but not sure

[slim nexus]

It's 30% max

I checked the wiki

[supple gulch]

Sometimes they were just armed with a lot of anti aircraft armaments

[placid radish]

What is its purpose?

Is this something from road?

[scenic moon]

Light TD why

[placid radish]

It wont push anything without getting 1 gorbillion destroyed and it will take massive losses if its attacked

Against AI probably fine but almost everything is fine against AI

[misty fossil]

bro tries to use a light chassis

it is over

[sudden thistle]

That’s kinda good ngl

[slim nexus]

Yes ovviously

[analog ivy]

i feel like mobilization in hoi4 is alot slower and in a smaller scale then irl cause germany had like 18 million soldiers that served in the army irl but ingame i can only get like 2 million mp worth of troops out before having like barely any manpower left

but idk how the game would be balanced if it was more realistic soo

[slim nexus]

[placid radish]

It might have good sa,ha and piercing but if its used in a 36 width tank div with 9 of them and 9 mech in it and has like 300 break so its basically gonna drive itself to death by getting critted from defending inf

[sudden thistle]

That’s why I said kinda didn’t I

And besides it’s a tank destroyer

Ofc it has no breakthrough

[boreal fulcrum]

im asking for a friend, who plays focus trees here

@night meadow

[trim pike]

Plays what??

Focus trees?

[boreal fulcrum]

yep

[trim pike]

Wdym

Who uses focus trees

Who uses a mod called focus trees

[night meadow]

exactly

[trim pike]

Who makes focus tree

[boreal fulcrum]

who uses focus trees

[trim pike]

Who DOESNT use focus trees

[boreal fulcrum]

him i guess

[night meadow]

uhm

[trim pike]

💀

[night meadow]

not me🤫

[trim pike]

Why

Its literally a core part

People pay for trees

And it gives flavour

[boreal fulcrum]

idk i told him that

[trim pike]

And plenty of buffs

Its like not doing doctrine but worse

[night meadow]

i was joking blud🫩🫩

[trim pike]

🥀

[sudden thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-cat-is-this-bait-cat-is-this-ragebait-gif-10902073105296387701

[trim pike]

Yes

[night meadow]

yeah

[boreal fulcrum]

uhuh we were playing multiplayer

[night meadow]

bro

u were handling it

😭😭😭

[trim pike]

Average coop screw up

Scream at ur allies it helps

[sudden thistle]

Exactly

[misty fossil]

18 million men is an insane number

what did i expect anyway

[heavy vigil]

18 total..

Not 18 at 1 moment

[fallow grove]

How much manpower has Germany in scrapping the barrel

[ripe slate]

@night meadow Welcome

[night meadow]

thanks i feel welcome enough

[rustic furnace]

lag, extreme amounts of lag late game

Maybe even unplayable

[ripe slate]

Ngl mobilization speed is rather slow

I recently had an MP game and it took me until the end of it to mobilize some army

[rustic furnace]

Oh my

[heavy vigil]

Depends on war support, advisors, spirits and core pop

Youll generally have issues with low core pop mobilization

[ripe slate]

20707901

I have an excel sheet of the HOI IV map but I had to use LibreOffice to filter it, yuck

[rare crow]

Pretty good encirclement

[devout trench]

The mechanized infantry is insane

[rare crow]

I was fighting the entire world what were you expecting?

[trim pike]

Ofc the modder knows

Why liberoffice tho

[ripe slate]

Im on my laptop and I only got 1 excel license

[trim pike]

Oh

Do u have the max mp for each country by any chance

[ripe slate]

I will give the Excel sheet

simply get the total country population by owner, then divide to 4 to get max manpower

[oak kestrel]

Anyone know good mods that decolonize the entire world. Basically i want that UK, france etc does not have any control over their colonies and they are independent nations

And like that they arent in any faction or arent puppets

[ripe slate]

Theres gamerules for that

If you own...Man the Guns I think

[oak kestrel]

Like i just want em to be independent countries

[ripe slate]

Yeh

[oak kestrel]

because its annoying when uk has all the colonies

[ripe slate]

There's a pre-game setting for that

Though I think its DLC locked

[oak kestrel]

it limits your expanding capabilities if you play a minor

[ripe slate]

I usually play Road to 56 and as someone like Turkey I just set Egypt and Palestine to break free by focus tree

[oak kestrel]

i will take a look at it, i got man the guns if im not wrong

[devout trench]

just play vic3 at that point...

or EU4

[oak kestrel]

Nah i wanna play hoi4

i just dont wanna go to war with uk

because they got colonies everywhere

[devout trench]

making africa independent is gonna insanely lag out your game though fr

[rustic furnace]

I dont see how this is a deal breaker

[oak kestrel]

I can never cap uk

[rustic furnace]

Them having colonies does very little for them

[oak kestrel]

or any majors

because i always play minors

[rustic furnace]

Its not like the victory points that they got in colonies matter

Take the mainland and they cap

[oak kestrel]

i juts wanna know how i cap uk as iran for example

[ripe slate]

The African and Middle Eastern colonies also have like nothing useful

[rustic furnace]

The same as everyone else

Naval invade or paradrop the mainland

[oak kestrel]

i have 300 hours on this game

[ripe slate]

Build submarines, join Axis (or another way to get ports close to UK), get lucky with UK navy being distracted and naval invade

Is how Id do it

[oak kestrel]

i have no clue htf it works

i can never get naval supremacy or air

[rustic furnace]

Well you do kind of need to get lucky

[oak kestrel]

they just spam divisions to ne

[atomic grove]

r u fascist or non aligned?

[oak kestrel]

non aligned

[devout trench]

make good air, spam it out over the english strait, paradrop in

[oak kestrel]

so i cant join axis

[atomic grove]

oh

[oak kestrel]

with like 15 mils

[atomic grove]

r u iran

[rustic furnace]

Never ever paradrop in southern uk

[oak kestrel]

having 100 enemy divisions on my border when i got 30

[rustic furnace]

They got lots of anti air down there

Will shred paratroopers

[oak kestrel]

yes

[atomic grove]

r u playing on hist or non hist mode

[oak kestrel]

alt historical

this was communist tho

[atomic grove]

i dont think theres any way

[oak kestrel]

later they had 17 divisions in each tile

[devout trench]

why arent we pressing shift when making our field marshal lines

[atomic grove]

the best opportunity for iran to be able to defeat the allies is fascist

[oak kestrel]

because im noob

i just train divisions go

[atomic grove]

because if ur fascist u can just make a faction with italy and then paradrop into france

[oak kestrel]

i dont understand 50% of the stuff

[atomic grove]

and then kill everyone else

[rustic furnace]

Yeah that would be why you can never get the uk

[oak kestrel]

i usually dont play in europe

thats also why

then i got into eternal war

[atomic grove]

i recommend u play india or iraq

those 2 are the best nations to play as in goe

afghanistan is just iraq but harder

[devout trench]

they should allow infantry to travel between northern ireland and UK fr

like how we have with the japanese islands

[oak kestrel]

because uk declared on me and i just out my troops on the border. If i put lines as field marshal its gonna move the troops and they gonna break one tile in the west border that is really hard to defend

they juts keep killing their man tho

[devout trench]

troops stay on their front line if its set by the general, field marshal automatically takes unassigned troops i think

[atomic grove]

no

i dont think thats really a good idea

[oak kestrel]

i didnt touch them because what i said has happend me multiple times

and i kept making new divisions so if i put them in army its gonna move all of the divisions

[atomic grove]

if you're new i highly recommend playing majors first

rather than going straight to minor nations

[oak kestrel]

because idk how to add certain divisions so i just select all the troops i want and make a new army

[atomic grove]

u just use the basic infantry template for everything???

[oak kestrel]

yea

and mountaneers

[devout trench]

i hope your using grand battleplan or mass assault

[atomic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/gdfactory-gif-17246498409427376873

dude

thats not a good idea

[oak kestrel]

sp

[devout trench]

...

[atomic grove]

at all

especially iran

[oak kestrel]

i have no clue what 50% of the stats mean

[atomic grove]

watch a guide

[oak kestrel]

i know org, defence and attact

[devout trench]

the only default templates you can barely get by with are japan and germany

i dont even wanna know what the iranian default is

[atomic grove]

its the same as germany

[oak kestrel]

its like 12 width i think

or 9 block

[atomic grove]

its the basic 9 inf block plus engi and support arty

[devout trench]

same as germany

[toxic lotus]

How do u guys know the rest of the road map btw?

[atomic grove]

i think germany also had cav recon

[devout trench]

still though that infantry template is not gonna kill anything other than like

liberia

[oak kestrel]

I sometimes play hungary tho

its bit easier

[atomic grove]

that template is meant for defense

so yeah

[oak kestrel]

but germany always loses so i get tired of it

[devout trench]

i learned playing japan and communist china

[atomic grove]

u should play germany and soviet union

[oak kestrel]

i have done soft attack mediums in few games

[toxic lotus]

U will crush the ai with 18w inf

[oak kestrel]

oh hi windowman

[atomic grove]

thats if i have supply and the one im using to attack isnt below like 90% strength

[devout trench]

do you use planes

[atomic grove]

and if terrain isnt buffing the enemy

[oak kestrel]

Some shitty ones

i dont have the dlc for planes

[toxic lotus]

Late dose not have bba i think

Ye

[oak kestrel]

so i just reseach like 1940 and i produce that

if i use planes

[devout trench]

plane designer is a required component of ALL hoi4 games

[oak kestrel]

well i dont have the dlc

[atomic grove]

what dlcs did u get

[oak kestrel]

usa, germany soviet and india

i think

[misty fossil]

average german L

trolled

[atomic grove]

why didnt u get la resistance or man the guns instead of goe

those 2 r more important

[oak kestrel]

i have bought them by the price

i am poor

[atomic grove]

oh

[oak kestrel]

only when they in sale

in steam

[devout trench]

wait until around december time

winter sale should put happen

[oak kestrel]

i have man the guns

its the usa dlc

[devout trench]

i got la resistance, no step back, and by blood alone

[atomic grove]

oh

[devout trench]

top 3 dlcs

man the guns comes in number 4

[atomic grove]

i have all of em

[hardy kestrel]

even the useless ones which are just skins for troops?

[atomic grove]

iran and iraq sounded a little interesting

[atomic grove]

i dont think so

[devout trench]

allied speeches pack

[hardy kestrel]

pew

[oak kestrel]

they just have low factory count

[atomic grove]

yeah

[hardy kestrel]

yea that's also useless

[atomic grove]

but imo

india and iraq are the 2 best nations to play as if u have goe

[devout trench]

bhutan should of got a focus tree in goe

[icy crescent]

Does Bhutan get a formable with DLC?
Or Nepal?

[oak kestrel]

i mean they should do like thailand, nepal, bhutan dlc or something

[atomic grove]

no

obviously not

[oak kestrel]

im not sure if they already do tho

[devout trench]

all the asian countries which have 0 content

and sinkiang focus tree needs added

[atomic grove]

i feel like siam should also get a focus tree

[oak kestrel]

yea

[atomic grove]

siam was also kind ofi mportant

just like the philippines

[oak kestrel]

for japan

[devout trench]

siam has so much potential

[icy crescent]

Siam was like Romania.
Swapping factions.

[devout trench]

they were kinda siding with the allies since the beginning

[oak kestrel]

and italy

[icy crescent]

Yeah.

[devout trench]

italy had a civil war and mussolini got deposed though

[atomic grove]

im starting to get a little boredom in hoi4

[devout trench]

kaiserredux is waiting...

[atomic grove]

i have done that already

so does tno

[devout trench]

the fire rises would like to know your location

[atomic grove]

and kaiserreich

oh yeah

speaking of

[oak kestrel]

How many divisions you need for anchluss

[atomic grove]

its impossible to find out

u just need to spam infantry divs

[oak kestrel]

Because i didn't get it

[atomic grove]

till u meet the requirement

[oak kestrel]

i had 100 divisions

with equipment in stockpile

[atomic grove]

i cant find the official mod for millenium dawn in the steam workshop

[oak kestrel]

Does cavalry count tho

[devout trench]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2777392649&searchtext=mill

[oak kestrel]

or does it have to be infrantry

[atomic grove]

any

its just that

[devout trench]

infantry has more manpower in it

which means anschluss faster

[atomic grove]

the manpower in your army has to be more than 24 times larger than the amount of manpower in the austrian army

it doesnt just mean div count

it means army size by men

[devout trench]

you could have 50 calvary divisions and be destroyed by 5 tank divs

[oak kestrel]

oh its the manpower

not divisions count

because it says 24 Times stronger

[patent thistle]

MY SHIFT IS FINALLY OVER!

[hardy kestrel]

did bro forget the facist Bhutan Dragon Empire?

[patent thistle]

BACK TO HOI4

[devout trench]

what

[atomic grove]

that aint a formable

[patent thistle]

ye thats just fascist bhutan

[hardy kestrel]

dang I confused formable with Ideology name change for a sec

mb

[patent thistle]

what you however could call a formable is the empire of fire simply because iran has some of your cores (one)

[devout trench]

thunder dragon empire is best country name in hoi4

[hardy kestrel]

Empire of fire peak bhutan formable fr

[patent thistle]

thats azerbajian

[hardy kestrel]

wait wut

[patent thistle]

correction, 2

[patent thistle]

fascist azerbajian

[bronze mango]

Empire of fire?

[hardy kestrel]

isn't azerbajian supposed to be part of the USSR?

[patent thistle]

you can release it

[bronze mango]

And play as it from the release menu

[hardy kestrel]

ah

[devout trench]

hoi4 devs add ideological names for countries and then dont release focus trees for them

[patent thistle]

just start with "soviet union desolved"

easy

[sudden grotto]

Duhhh? Do you expect focus tree for Zambia too?

[devout trench]

yes...

[sudden grotto]

Crazy

[devout trench]

we could of at least got the bhutan focus tree