hoi4-general

[gaunt thorn]

nah

about to do barbarossa

industry is quite good

[mint adder]

How much tanks?

[gaunt thorn]

i plan to have 18 divs

6 in each of the army groups

[mint adder]

Try avoiding using infantry

[mint adder]

Use them to hold line

And maybe clean up encirclements

[gaunt thorn]

could i do barb with 2 army groups

north and south

[mint adder]

How many infantry divisions do you have sorry

When i invaded urss for first time i used like 120 (5 full army groups) infantry divs and like 10-16 tank divs

[gaunt thorn]

how do you get the mp bro

[mint adder]

I also had another army and some tanks in the west in case of a naval landing

Way smaller tho

Like 16 inf and i guess 6-8 tanks

I dont remember

[opal nymph]

Literally all you need for Barb is like 2 army groups in singleplayer

5 full army groups is crazy

[mint adder]

I had like 1.8 milion or smth

[opal nymph]

Did you go on service by requirement

[mint adder]

It was my first time, also my most common mistake was always not outting enough divs

[mint adder]

Extensive

[opal nymph]

Were your divisions 12 widths or something

[mint adder]

Most of the time when i do wars i always underestimate my enemy and not out enough divs so i wanted to be sure

[mint adder]

18w

[opal nymph]

Dang

[mint adder]

Arty engy and aa

[gaunt thorn]

How..

On earth

[mint adder]

Yeah idk

[opal nymph]

I wish I could print manpower like you

[gaunt thorn]

How much air did you have

[mint adder]

Then i like did 3 collabs

[gaunt thorn]

i always do 3 collabs

[mint adder]

I dont remember but like

3k? Fighters and cas combined

[opal nymph]

Because sure, I have like a million or so spare manpower during barb, but 5 whole army groups?

[mint adder]

No wait

Prob not

[opal nymph]

That is not a lot of air

[mint adder]

I dont remember

Prob around 1k of fighters for every airzone

Then like 500-900 cas for every air zone

There were 3 airzones

[opal nymph]

Guh

[gaunt thorn]

how much spare mp with all that?

[mint adder]

I did that like 4 months ago i dont remember

[gaunt thorn]

you milked your population like crazy

[opal nymph]

Bro had to go service by requirement or simply have divisions not at full strength

[mint adder]

It went a bit too good

Too good that i capped urss too early

And couldnt annex it all

[mint adder]

My divisions were full strenght

[gaunt thorn]

did you have collabs on france so got lots of mp from them?

[opal nymph]

Why couldn't you annex it all, were you fighting with allies?

[mint adder]

No

[gaunt thorn]

i forgot to do collabs so i have to do martial law on everything

[mint adder]

I used too many collabs

[opal nymph]

All the combat you did should have allowed you to annex all

[mint adder]

And skipped a lot of vps

[opal nymph]

No matter how brief

[mint adder]

So basically

I went for the caucasus indtead of central russia

[opal nymph]

Unless you literally went around the enemy

[mint adder]

Skipped a lot of vps

[opal nymph]

Well, you always attack the caucuses

[mint adder]

It wasnt prob worth it

Should have stopped at stalingrad

And focused more in the center

[opal nymph]

Caucuses give you resources and deny the Soviets oil

[mint adder]

At that point

The red airforce

Was like gone

And they had like no tanks

[opal nymph]

No oil slows down army units

[mint adder]

I also like built a ton of refineries

So oil wasnt a problem

[opal nymph]

Just trade with Iran until they get invaded

Works for me

Refineries solely for rubber

[mint adder]

I also needed rubber

[mint adder]

Refineries can help

If you do the research too

[opal nymph]

I know

Id rather research other things

[mint adder]

You research it when you got nothing to research

In the end

I had prob like 150 inf divisions and 20 tank divisions

[opal nymph]

Wait, when did you invade the Soviets?

[mint adder]

I dont remember

Prob early mid 41

Or even late

[opal nymph]

150 inf divisions is only 6 armies

[mint adder]

5 of them where in russia

[opal nymph]

Not 5 army groups

[gaunt thorn]

oh wait, did you mean armies

[mint adder]

Whats the difference

[opal nymph]

There is a difference between armies and army groups

[gaunt thorn]

OHHH

[mint adder]

What

Oh

[gaunt thorn]

Armie groups consist of 5 armies

[opal nymph]

Armies are your 24/24

Army groups hold 5 armies

[gaunt thorn]

Each armie is 24 divs

[mint adder]

OH

[opal nymph]

Things make much more sense

[gaunt thorn]

LOLL

[mint adder]

LOL

[gaunt thorn]

I was so confused

[mint adder]

Now it makes sense uh? Lol

[azure elbow]

ok i have 5 reactors

but it says they arent producing nukes

[opal nymph]

Do the Manhattan project

Reactors do nothing until you make nuclear bombs

[azure elbow]

u mean the

nuclear fission

bomb

project

[opal nymph]

Yeah

It has a name for some countries

Like for the US it is called the Manhattan Project

[azure elbow]

idk what its called for poland

[opal nymph]

Nuclear Fission Bomb

Probably

You need both reactors and the bomb

[leaden crescent]

i forgot to do imperial conf decisions so am i just locked out the federation

[opal nymph]

Yep

[leaden crescent]

what if i annex all my puppets

[opal nymph]

Nope

That is different

[echo dawn]

anyone recommend any mods to play?

[opal nymph]

Red Dusk

[echo dawn]

pray for paris pfp 🙏

[echo dawn]

is that the one with the soviets

[leaden crescent]

well thats just jarring

[patent thistle]

how..

[scenic moon]

Year?

[safe wing]

my best record with the AI changes from Gotterdamerung with the German civil war

June 15th 1936

[patent thistle]

late 1939

oh yeah stalin being stalin

[scenic moon]

Are u japan

[patent thistle]

im ethiopia

[scenic moon]

Stalin is the worst guy ever lived fr

[patent thistle]

having gone exile path for once (have been home in like early 1938 again)

[safe wing]

yes he is

[scenic moon]

Isnt it more surprising to see japan's incredibly early victory?

[patent thistle]

meh i have seen them win once in like early 1938

[scenic moon]

Maybe Russian ai used escelate the conflict in Vladivostok

[scenic moon]

Nah i never seen them win 😭

[patent thistle]

i always see the japs win-

[scenic moon]

They got stuck at wuhan or smt

[patent thistle]

ethiopian fleet is real

(totally not purchased)

[scenic moon]

Omg

[feral grail]

My first time beating the allies as ussr

[scenic moon]

Can ethiopia do this?

[scenic moon]

Red world

[feral grail]

Yes comrade

I’m planning to conquer china and then the rest of the world

[brittle cypress]

The struggle

1. Spend 5 seconds to put 6 starting mountaineers on Vladivostok and win the border combat with Japan
2. Doing nothing

[feral grail]

3. Destroy Japan in 1939 and prevent the Pacific Ocean war

[mint adder]

So um

I did the great thing of setting the game on non historical

With every nation with a focus set on random

Im playing as mexico

How probable is it for us and uk to declare war on me if i nationalize the oil?

[opal nymph]

Millennium Dawn, but Soviets barely held on and survived

[broken plover]

Any tips for playing england vs axis?

[inner jewel]

I hope Siam gets a focus tree in the new dlc

[safe wing]

no no no

[scenic moon]

Keep an eye on north africa and put some garrison in malaya. You can always do DDay to germany and invade sicly and rome. once they declare on Soviets its much easier. Research and get a marine template and most importantly produce a lot of fighter and Cas

[icy crescent]

Chat.
Gimme a name for a faction with Tibet as Leader.

[ripe slate]

Really generic, but "The Himalayan Pact" is the first that comes to mind

[trim pike]

Marijn leaks the next rt56 update

[ripe slate]

🙉

[fair horizon]

ayo chat which mod is the one that lets you build steel mils and stuff?

[uncut pollen]

Asian flowi Axis

[ripe slate]

BICE has it IIRC

[fair horizon]

yeah but i suck too much for that mod

[uncut pollen]

I suck to much for all mods

But Sometimes i Play Road to 56

[fair horizon]

ive played owb and thats pretty much it

but that one is easy because nobody has enough manpower to keep you from walking around them besides a few factions

[uncut pollen]

My opinion on Owb is it sucks

[fair horizon]

its cool but yeah it could definitely be better

[uncut pollen]

100%

I ask me what happend to the Rest of the world

Me never got much Intel about that

[fair horizon]

and we never will

[sudden thistle]

Search in resource buildings on the workshop

[fair horizon]

bethesda is adamant about never having a fallout outside of the usa

[honest summit]

have they mentioned when the next update comes out?

[vapid bough]

let bygones be bygones?

[tepid crown]

Tbh I don’t think it’d work well outside USA either really

[uncut pollen]

Dammit

[sudden grotto]

Sounds like that One mongolian meme about their fleet lol

[fallen vigil]

someone give me a good division template

something "unique"

[sudden grotto]

"mongolian navy doesnt exists, they cant hurt you"
Mongol navy existing in a random ahh lake

[fair horizon]

they could definitely do something outside of the usa but yeah shame bethesda wont ever

[patent thistle]

common italian L

got destroyed by some bought ships

[fair horizon]

ethopian carriers? 💀

[patent thistle]

1 which was a japanese carrier

(the zuiho)

[fair horizon]

should have gotten the akagi

[patent thistle]

was way too expensive-

[fair horizon]

shame on you

[patent thistle]

mf i start with 2 civs give me some slack

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-heart-gif-25042513

[heavy vigil]

Japan can give you a battleship if you exile to them

And taiwan

[patent thistle]

i can still buy the akagi tho

[patent thistle]

thats what i did tho they only gave me the tokao

and 3 destroyers

[safe wing]

rule of thumb I have when playing Hoi4: if I play multiplayer I will use the meta but if I'm not like vanilla SP then I will do whatever I will do to have fun

my biggest critique with the hoi4 meta is how much it lacks diveristy

like artillery IRL was the GOAT

and still is

[fallen vigil]

my fav exploit hands down

[mint adder]

Bro

Uk declared war on the netherlands for no reason 😭

The uk is even democratic

[gilded cobalt]

Reminder, SPGs are worth building

[sudden thistle]

Secure oil imports focus

[patent thistle]

rip to 10 of my Civs-

[serene token]

Man, this server is boring rn.

I'ma start a nuclear war

https://tenor.com/view/nuclear-war-nuke-my-honest-reaction-meme-you-spin-me-right-round-gif-1558912066248949329

[patent thistle]

in hoi4 right?

... in hoi4. right?

[ripe slate]

https://tenor.com/view/new-vegas-gif-25644514

[serene token]

I hope for a remaster New Vegas

[ripe slate]

I want one for Fallout 3 :c

[serene token]

I think there is one coming out.

[ripe slate]

[serene token]

I want there to be a God of War remaster

[uncut pollen]

I want a remaster for Fallout 1

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon wake up you wanted me to buy her

[ripe slate]

Thatd be epic too

[patent thistle]

portal 3 when?

[uncut pollen]

Half Life 3 when?

[ripe slate]

Half Life Alyx was pretty great tbf

[uncut pollen]

Than the question is 3d or 2d

[ripe slate]

3D

[uncut pollen]

I didnt Play it

[ripe slate]

🔫

[uncut pollen]

Meh

[patent thistle]

also rip romanian navy

[uncut pollen]

I dont have the PC or the Money for it😔

[patent thistle]

there goes the rest

gustaf line ah moment

[ripe slate]

😔

[quaint kettle]

I think I’m secure

I may hold off the nazis

[grizzled zenith]

What are the requirements for a nation in a faction to be in a peace deal? One time I controlled a lot of France and it was on the peace deal after the Axis capitulated but the other time it wasn't, I did control less territory but France still was considered capitulated

[grizzled zenith]

Maybe that's because I asked it for military access at the start of the war but later canceled?

[grizzled zenith]

XD

[grizzled zenith]

Maginot 10.0

[quaint kettle]

Fr

France’s wet dream

[sudden grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ddr-gif-26169826

[fallen vigil]

im scared to unpause whos more likely to win

[grizzled zenith]

Are you playing as Germany?

[livid hull]

yeah

[grizzled zenith]

And who's ur leader?

[sudden grotto]

If It aint thalmann It aint real

[livid hull]

karl liebknecht

[sudden grotto]

Shoudlnt he be dead?

He wss killed by freikorps from what i Remember

[patent thistle]

bonks italy no.

[livid hull]

not in this timeline

[sudden grotto]

Why you bullying them

[patent thistle]

because they deserved it, THEY were the ones who invaded me, THEY are starting those naval engagements

this is what i consider a reasonable crashout moment

oh btw just so you know i havent even lost a single destroyer yet

[sudden grotto]

They made out of pykrit fr fr

Pykrete

Mb

[patent thistle]

not even the russian destroyers i bought have taken too much damage-

(the only reason i did buy them is because they were dirt cheap)

[glad wren]

ngl i have no clue how to play i lost against soviet union with 400% defense bonus 🤑

[sudden grotto]

Ww1 started with a french man egtting killed

Noice

[patent thistle]

its always the overdramatic fr*nch man

[sudden grotto]

Facts

Imagine asking for alsace Lorraine as moral payment for the ctime

[patent thistle]

they lost alsace in a war THEY started

[sudden grotto]

Crazy

[sudden grotto]

[patent thistle]

and yet they still cried about it enough

[sudden grotto]

Btw i think i found a glitch in tgwr

[patent thistle]

???

[sudden grotto]

Discord loading 💔 hollon

[patent thistle]

biggest damage one of my destroyers has, and its a german torpedo boat-

[sudden grotto]

sus

[modest coyote]

when you know your game's cooked but you can't do anything about it because you're hungary

[grizzled zenith]

Lmao

[grizzled zenith]

Is that MP?

[modest coyote]

no singleplayer

[patent thistle]

happends if you gain infrastructure with focuses

[sudden grotto]

Decision

[grizzled zenith]

I don't see a reason to play historic Hungary in singleplayer other paths just give more territories

[sudden grotto]

I had a decision for free 5 inf

[patent thistle]

or decision*

[sudden grotto]

Imma core ze bulgars rq 🙏

[cerulean orchid]

ts is why playing axis minors on historical is one of the hardest things u can do in the game

espicially after the recent uk ai update where you cant just walk through their country anymore

[modest coyote]

im playing historical hungary just to see what playing hungary is like since i've never played them before

[sudden grotto]

-if you dont have the sane ships as uk, 2k cas and thicc marines divs 😏

Hungarian great navy led by horthy

Based

[split bane]

I had to censor TWR so I didn't get murdered

[sudden grotto]

Tgwr Is the father to all mods fr fr

[sudden thistle]

Why is everyone playing the ottoman recently in this mod

[sudden grotto]

They miss the old world Blue if they went full nuke wars

[sudden grotto]

I Always do since day 1 lol

Its the hardest nation so i like it

[split bane]

I was gonna put EOANB at the top but then I realised that TGWR is the only World War One mod

[sudden grotto]

Who da hell Is EOANB

[split bane]

End of a New Beginning

[sudden grotto]

Ohhh

Age of empire

That would be better

I think

[brittle cypress]

i don't understand how the career profile works

over 1.5k hours on steam, game says i have less than 400

[cerulean orchid]

prolly time spent unpaused or something

[brittle cypress]

clearly over half of my playtime is just running the game afk you're right

[sudden grotto]

Ig achievement, medals and ribons

[patent thistle]

Rip and Tear music starts playing

i swear this is a so cursed carrier group-

[cerulean orchid]

wtf is this

[opal nymph]

Britain didn't decolonize

[paper echo]

i remember seeing this on my game before 😭

[near schooner]

True 100% real no fake Union of Britain

[fickle cove]

censor m#ll#n##m d##n too pls

used to be my favourite mod but their discord server has assholes and mods that support assholes :(((

[split bane]

Why? It's just flags and a building?

[fickle cove]

nah just wanted to insult the mod

[split bane]

Ah...

[near schooner]

what happened there

that mod is kindaa good

but the focuses are too long

[fickle cove]

posted a meme, some guy was being a pos for no reason about it, a mod kinda defended him and others were also somehow subtly defending the guy

[fickle cove]

it is, hence why it was my favourite mod

[near schooner]

what was the meme lol

[opal nymph]

Millennium Dawn isnt even a good mod

Feature bloat galore

[fickle cove]

it was a satire political edit

[trim pike]

[opal nymph]

Ah the classic posted political stuff in a server that probably doesn't allow that stuff

[fickle cove]

elaborate why, bc i'm working on a mod that's the exact same principle as md and nv and i wish to make it better

[fickle cove]

it, in fact, does.

[near schooner]

i kinda dont like it bc of the looooooong ass focuses

and they deleted the icbm thing

[opal nymph]

Either way, Millennium Dawn is a politics game in a war game during the most peaceful time between major powers

[near schooner]

in a political game lol

[opal nymph]

Go play vic3 for politics

Hoi4 is a war game

[fickle cove]

well i'm not working on it, but i'm sketching some things for the mod and such. so pls elaborate @opal nymph

[trim pike]

Had to

Pdx told them bcs of gdg

[near schooner]

gdg?

[opal nymph]

Gdr allows you to set up funny missile raids

[fickle cove]

why is md bad? (other than you thinking it's not meant for hoi4) that way i can avoid it for my own mod

[near schooner]

oooh

gotterdammerung

[trim pike]

Gdg

Gdr

Wuw

[near schooner]

german democratic republic

[trim pike]

Whatever

[opal nymph]

You have a total war game.

And you then set it in the most peaceful time between major powers.

When mutually assured destruction exists

[trim pike]

All refers to the dlc

[near schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/east-germany-national-people's-army-ddr-germany-gdr-gif-17104708094827988718

[fickle cove]

zawg really answered the one thing i didn't need 😭

pretty much you're saying i can fix my mod by not making it, bc it's the exact same thing as md and nv (as in, it begins in 2000)

[near schooner]

then how else they should make a modern "realistic" mod

[opal nymph]

Play vic3 and set it to modern day

They have politics and economy mechanics

Hoi4 doesnt

[near schooner]

vic 3 is NOT for modern day

[opal nymph]

Mod it

[fickle cove]

what do you consider political mechanics? bc i think politics can fit quite well in hoi4

[opal nymph]

It at least has diplomacy, economy, and politics

[near schooner]

there are modern day mods?

[opal nymph]

Politics in hoi4.

Justify war goals
Declare war
Non aggression pact

Trade influence barely matters

[fickle cove]

boost political party, stage a coup...

[opal nymph]

Play with dlc

[fickle cove]

boost (ideology) propaganda...

[opal nymph]

Doesn't exist

You can barely coup with DLC

[near schooner]

fr

i remember the vic 2 mods

there was a modern day mod

[fickle cove]

what exactly are the victoria games about?

[near schooner]

victorian age

[opal nymph]

Politics simulator

You guide your country and develop it through the Victorian age

But mods can change that

[near schooner]

yup

[opal nymph]

I think there is a cold war mod

[near schooner]

yes

i used to play that a lot

[opal nymph]

Not sure about a modern day one

But vic 3 actually has base game mechanics to do that stuff

[near schooner]

i think i had more than 2000 hrs in that game

[opal nymph]

Hoi4 is a war game

[near schooner]

idk i had it pirated in those times

[opal nymph]

You go do a proxy or 2 and then you do a big war and you are done

That's hoi4

[near schooner]

paradox make a game like vic 3 but with hoi4 military

[opal nymph]

What vic 2 players wanted

Ish

[near schooner]

YES

would be the perfect game

[opal nymph]

They just wanted frontlines if I remember correctly so they didn't have to micro everything

[near schooner]

yes😔

[opal nymph]

And PDX was like, let's automate war!

[near schooner]

i would love to micro

[opal nymph]

To be fair, guess it is accurate. Generals doing their own thing

[near schooner]

but nvm, vic 3 still a great game

[opal nymph]

Watch as McClellan blunders the peninsula campaign

[fickle cove]

i still want to make a modern day mod for hoi4 instead of victoria 2 or 3 bc hoi4 has focus trees and idk i LOVE the idea of focus trees so much

[near schooner]

then make it

[patent maple]

wtf is this

[near schooner]

[fickle cove]

@opal nymph btw, you say the 2000s were a peaceful period, but i'd argue otherwise:

second chechnya war
second congo war
angolan civil war
iraq war
aceh and east timor independence wars

russo-georgian war

some wars in sudan, idk much about them but there was a civil war in the south (nowadays the country south sudan), and the darfur thing

somali civil war

wars in sierra leone and liberia or smth

i think ivory coast too but i could be wrong

and that's just all the wars

don't forget all the insurgencies like the maoists in india

[astral frost]

🇹🇩

[opal nymph]

You didn't read what I said

Peace between major powers

[patent thistle]

common axis L

[opal nymph]

No major powers have directly went to war with each other since the Korean War when China and most of the UN clashed

[fickle cove]

i realised right after i sent lmao

[fickle cove]

sure but that leaves room for 2 things:

1. proxy wars, proxy wars and more proxy wars between major powers
2. you can forge your own path as a major power, you can either do everything that the country did in our timeline or just go absolutely berserk

(talking about what i'd want to try to add in my mod)

[opal nymph]

1. Fair, volunteers work
2. Mutually Assured Destruction

People hated TNO for that, but I found it perfectly fine

[patent thistle]

thats gotta be the most awkward situation for the enemy-

[opal nymph]

Forces players to try to deescalate conflicts from getting too hot

[patent thistle]

japanese, french, soviet, american, british and some german ships fighting in one navy-

[opal nymph]

Based

[patent thistle]

all are definetly not bought and the akagi totally didnt cost me 10 civs

[fickle cove]

wait, mad is nukes right? just so i'm sure

[opal nymph]

Yes.

Don't invade because nukes will be used.

Once nukes are used, all nukes go flying and everyone dies

If a country begins losing considerably, might as well use nukes to prevent the victors from winning

[fickle cove]

this is honestly why i might not add it into the mod, just so that if you do wish to go all crazy as a country and start total wars when there aren't any, you can do so without un nerds quietly stopping you while nuclear powers bomb all your major cities

[craggy trail]

This is what it's typically like mid-late game

[cerulean orchid]

i actually got the craziest rng

when the british colonies became independent they all joined one faction and guyana was its leader and only major

so i literally got india malaysia and a bunch of other stuff for free

[buoyant rivet]

is there anyway to become non-aligned as a minor with the default tree?

[abstract pawn]

Do you have a non-aligned advisor?

[sharp sierra]

theres a million types of non aligned

[abstract pawn]

Damn

[split bane]

Not legitimately, only way I can think of is a non aligned country declaring war on you and then changing your ideology

[patent thistle]

and there goes whatever remained of the italian fleet

[weary oar]

lf someone to roleplay axis german

[buoyant rivet]

is there a non-legitimate way?

[abstract pawn]

Commands

[split bane]

Console

[fickle cove]

"set_ruling_party non-aligned"

[split bane]

set_ruling_party n

[sharp sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/devious-joker-gypsycrusader-paul-miller-sus-gif-2916296191375389817

[patent thistle]

there is actually things you can do however its not recommented for example let wargoals run out to let your ideology fall

[buoyant rivet]

it says that, that isnt a valid ideology

[patent thistle]

set_rulling_party Neutrality i am pretty sure

[buoyant rivet]

thank you! it worked

[ripe slate]

yeh neutrality is the long form, but n should work

[fickle cove]

np

[craggy trail]

[fickle cove]

which country are you anyway?

[buoyant rivet]

Brazil

[ripe slate]

Hey Tails

[craggy trail]

hello hello

I stayed up too long last night

[weary oar]

brasil has a whole focus tree?

[split bane]

just use the short version
n for neutrality
c for communist
d for democratic
f for fascism

[split bane]

Probably doesn't have ToA

[buoyant rivet]

DLC my friend

[weary oar]

oh sorry my bad

[craggy trail]

Trial of Allegiance

[buoyant rivet]

What effect does infrastructure actually have?

I have done some research but the answers are conflicting between boosting resource output, construction speed or mils output

[ripe slate]

why tho

[ripe slate]

First two, though I dont think mil output

[buoyant rivet]

Im just glad it isnt the awful infrastructure system of vic 3

[craggy trail]

I was playing hoi4. I lost an entire army group

[zenith charm]

"something happened" ahh mil factory count

[opal nymph]

Welcome back General Palus

[craggy trail]

https://tenor.com/view/mlp-my-little-pony-twily-twilight-sparkle-laugh-gif-4756509595983595027

[craggy trail]

My tanks eventually punched to the capital, encirclement after encirclement

[unkempt olive]

I wish I had the rest, so far I only got No Step Back

[serene token]

Jeez

[scenic moon]

1940...

Rexist Belgium abolishes neutrality 😈💥

Which path of Belgium should i try

[signal hemlock]

wym you lost them go find them

[scenic moon]

It actually has a great vanilla focus tree, might be my new favorite

[rustic python]

BICE focus trees >>>

[opal nymph]

Play historical and try to not die

[craggy trail]

They got encircled the mountains and low supply

[serene token]

What's the best minor focus tree with all DLC's included?

[scenic moon]

That sounds amazing

[opal nymph]

Problem, you have to play black ice

[rustic python]

i love it 🙂

its probably cuz it satisfies my autistic side

[serene token]

Black Ice?

[rustic python]

and i like to suffer

[opal nymph]

Do you need stimulants or something because there are a 100 things to manage at once

[serene token]

I'm Autistic, and Black Ice is confusing

[scenic moon]

Then give them supply from air drops

[opal nymph]

I like larping with paths, but im not going to larp as heavily as black ice does

[serene token]

I'll be standing there like I heard from my general that Steiners counterattack won't happen.

[scenic moon]

What does larping paths mean

[serene token]

Man

[scenic moon]

Steiner's counterratack wouldnt save reich

[rose prawn]

I remember playing their mobile game lol

[rustic python]

i made it actually

[serene token]

Ik, but still.

[rustic python]

tbh this is my first ever successful BICE campaign

[serene token]

Wha.....

Teach me

[serene token]

Teach me rn

[serene token]

Please

[uncut pollen]

That dosent Look right

[scenic moon]

Why so many tanks

[uncut pollen]

What did you do to the German Focus tree?😭

[serene token]

BICE

[rustic python]

tanks is the only way to win barbarossa in Black Ice

if you dont spam 25 000 tanks youll lose

[uncut pollen]

Whats bice?

[molten gust]

is this black ice

[molten gust]

it's a mod

[dense axle]

fake

[serene token]

Black Ice

[dense axle]

i usually use 1 battalion of irregular infantry

[scenic moon]

Goated

[dense axle]

or militias depends

[scenic moon]

I use 6/0

[rustic python]

yesss

[dense axle]

and steamroll everyone

black ice + sheep's AI in a single playset

[serene token]

Also, my check from the college is coming soon.

[dense axle]

this game is too easy

[molten gust]

i actually just asked a question about that in #tech-support , does it show up like this for you as well?

[scenic moon]

Not hard

[molten gust]

it says -1.72GB

[dense axle]

i need something more challenging🥱

[rustic python]

ikr lmao

[dense axle]

do you use 1 irregular infantry battalion divisions?

[rustic python]

its the right one tho

[scenic moon]

Bro this is awesome

[molten gust]

so that's normal?

[dense axle]

something like finding a girlfriend

[rustic python]

aint gonna work dont get fooled

[scenic moon]

No need

[rustic python]

im right here

[rose prawn]

Touch grass

[gaunt thorn]

Went from doing a great job saving the eastern front to realising i had spent too long microing and didn't notice mainland germany..

[dense axle]

no thanks you look like plastic no offense🙏

[rustic python]

ahahahahah

[scenic moon]

Sadly no

[dense axle]

im joking by the way

[rustic python]

dw im not

[scenic moon]

I hate irregulars

[dense axle]

weakling

[gaunt thorn]

I've never put out so many fires in my life, from naval invasions in france to a huge encirclement of my tanks on the east

[dense axle]

i do daily fam

[scenic moon]

Is this real girl?

[molten gust]

bro's getting clapped by yugoslavia

[rose prawn]

World conquest as Luxembourg

[gaunt thorn]

it's not yugoslavia

it's all of the allies

[gaunt thorn]

americans, brits french

[rustic python]

i got england in 1945

[molten gust]

do you have collab gov on the soviets

[gaunt thorn]

yes

3

[sudden thistle]

Not black ice 😭

[dense axle]

too easy

[rustic python]

yeah im real lol

[rustic python]

gotta love the suffering

[scenic moon]

Howww

[gaunt thorn]

i was destroying the soviets jus didnt see my mainland

[molten gust]

could try to knock out soviets

[molten gust]

then just bring troops back to defend

[gaunt thorn]

i want to but the situation in germany is absolutely urgent

i'll lose berlin and shi

[scenic moon]

No wayy

[dense axle]

i once world conquested as algeria (only algerian desert), no divs allowed nor factories on hard mode with sheep's AI and black ice mod

[rustic python]

tell me youre autistic without telling me youre autistic

[dense axle]

too easy bro🥱

[molten gust]

endsieg 💔

[rose prawn]

Too much rp

[dense axle]

thats the exact opposite of being autistic

[molten gust]

anyone who plays bice is automatically autistic

[craggy trail]

They have an event ongoing

[rose prawn]

Is it still on

[dense axle]

(self diagnosed)

[rose prawn]

Lemme check

[rustic python]

fair

[craggy trail]

@rustic furnace I found the MRAP

[molten gust]

bice is a mod for masochists

i played it one time and gave up after 2 years, maybe ill try it again

[rose prawn]

Oh yeah its still on lol

[rustic python]

kirov is the only russian cruiser that survived the battle of england lol

[dense axle]

masochists enjoy the feeling of pain, not the feeling of playing

[rustic python]

And Tirpitz was sunk 🙁

ironically by a bomber near norway

[languid patrol]

sure bor

[molten gust]

BICE is pain

that’s the point

throw an average hoi4 player into BICE and they’ll have a stroke

[ebon wolf]

Can someone explain why did Edward viii died?

[cyan haven]

Hello can someone please help to understand somethim I just started playing

I have a problem with my production

[heavy knot]

but im the reich ???

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[sudden thistle]

I think he died because he had death

(No clue)

[ebon wolf]

Historicaly he dies in 1972?

[sudden thistle]

(No clue)

[night lintel]

wtf is that bio and pfp ☠️

[ripe slate]

This vanilla?

[heavy knot]

vanilla, iron man, and historical AI

just a random bug ig

[fair horizon]

@patent thistle good on you for buying the Akagi :)

[obsidian token]

the bio seems fine or did he change it

[sudden grotto]

54? I think

Ok no 52

[night lintel]

n word on pronouns xd

[patent thistle]

i also got the enterprice now (;

[serene token]

Probably got banned

[fair horizon]

the federation sold you the enterprise!? kirk is gonna be pissed

[patent thistle]

USS Enterprice*

[fair horizon]

yeah i know

[patent thistle]

she already did quite a great job against the italians as you can see

[fair horizon]

i dont think ive ever had a carrier actually get that many final blows

usually it goes to a light cruiser

[patent thistle]

the only light cruisers i have are either the 2 shitty french ones or the Okay japanese ones

[fair horizon]

if they're ai they're garbage

[patent thistle]

and i meant it when i said the italian navy is done

[fair horizon]

like britian and australia are the only countries with an okay light cruiser for some reason

[sudden grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/enterprise-azur-lane-cv6-coffee-gif-8480206878269137542

[patent thistle]

eh the german ones are also usable

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/akagi-azur-lane-my-beloved-meme-my-beloved-heart-gif-25042513

i completely forgot about the german ones lmao

[patent thistle]

she litterally costed me 10 civs-

[fair horizon]

worth it

get the kaga too

[sudden grotto]

Gotta call the counter and i summon shinano

[patent thistle]

ah you mean the carrier that got sunk by a lonely american sub?

[sudden grotto]

Ark royal:

Subs: ez win lads

[fair horizon]

ima be real with you ive only ever seen the first episode of the anime

[patent thistle]

tbf ark royal was stupidly used

[fair horizon]

HMS Eagle

almost all british carriers were tbh

[sudden grotto]

Reasonable, It wasnt much anyways, o was Just curious lop

[patent thistle]

she litterally was attempted to be used in an anti submarine role. als a CAPITAL ship

[sudden grotto]

Tho, Crazy rep in the beginning of the war

[patent thistle]

tbf glorious did have a glorious end

[fair horizon]

yeah but planes did pretty well at that

[fair horizon]

yeah its a shame though

[patent thistle]

against the scharnhorst and gneisenau

[sudden grotto]

Who would win? New gen modern bb? Or a bunch of ww1 Planes armed with funny torpedos

[patent thistle]

with 2 escort destroyers

[sudden grotto]

( Bismarck thing )

[fair horizon]

HMS Acasta had a glorious end too

[patent thistle]

we all know the joke

lets be real the german navy did way more then it had any right to

[sudden grotto]

Old Is gold ig

[serene token]

Thought you were referring to the Italian ship in like Africa

[fair horizon]

new gen bb with the aa germans have been using the entire war or ww1 biplane going less than 100kmh

[ripe slate]

Will report it on the forums later

[patent thistle]

they litterally had 4 battleships and 2 pre dreadnought ones

[fair horizon]

PARADOX WHEN USS LANGLEY

[patent thistle]

and some heavy cruisers

[sudden grotto]

Imagine being a hevay cruiser and get sunk by some motorboats

[fair horizon]

that happened a lot though lmao

well

[sudden grotto]

Werent they 3?

[fair horizon]

if you count torpedo boats as motorboats

[serene token]

You heard about the American ship who fired a torpedo at another ship during WW2?

[sudden grotto]

Hmm?

[fair horizon]

4, scharnhorst gneisnau bismarck and tirpitz

[patent thistle]

scharnhorst, tirpitz, gneisenau and bismarck

[serene token]

Hold uo

up

[sudden grotto]

I only seen either yarnhub or that other dude Who makes Crazy animations on navy battles

[fair horizon]

yarnhub makes good animations

[sudden grotto]

I was talikgnto admiral scheer, Deutschland and the other one

Ermmmm

The name

Hollon

[fair horizon]

those are pocket battleships

[sudden grotto]

Admiral graf spee

[serene token]

https://youtu.be/zz0PYzzfixY?si=0rBhZ4NjyuTG42IM

[sudden grotto]

Oh

[fair horizon]

and later were refered to as heavy cruisers

[serene token]

(Warning, cursing in the video if I recall)

I don't recall all of the stuff in there.

[fair horizon]

fired a live torpedo at the iowa which the president was on lmao

[serene token]

Yep

[patent thistle]

pocket battleships, they are more considered heavily armed cruisers

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-ayanami-admiral-graf-spee-food-thank-you-gif-20293679

[sudden grotto]

I Always look at him for naval battles
https://youtu.be/1sTUrrCW1U0?si=sbky84iR4jGk_o8-

[sudden grotto]

Not a W sadly

[fair horizon]

i couldnt find a better one tbh

[sudden grotto]

Hmm

[ripe slate]

its wholesome

[sudden grotto]

Just search for "Prinz eugen"

[fair horizon]

yeah like iirc they're around 10000 tons which is more inline with heavy cruisers

[patent thistle]

meanwhile the yamato: "ah 200 american planes, guess i die while only taking 14"

[sudden grotto]

Based

[fair horizon]

WHERE CUTE

[sudden grotto]

"they told us to shot not to shot them down"

[patent thistle]

tirpitz had effect in the war and SHE DIDNT EVEN DO ANYTHING

[fair horizon]

tbf it was a terrible idea

[sudden grotto]

[fair horizon]

the power of a fleet in being

[patent thistle]

guess atleast the crew had a great time

[sudden grotto]

Imagine getting being sunk After almost a year of rrpairs...

[patent thistle]

(mostly because they didnt have to do shit)

[fair horizon]

its really a shame the usa used the prinz eugen in the bikini atoll tests instead of making it a museum ship

[sudden grotto]

naval invasions noises.mp3

[sudden grotto]

Facts

[patent thistle]

again atleast she had more effect on the war then the entire yamato class AND the shinano

[sudden grotto]

Sad death lol

[gaunt thorn]

how do i stop yugoslavia and hungary and all them attacking me anyways tho

[fair horizon]

as who?

[gaunt thorn]

germany

[patent thistle]

also no i will not buy the shinano she costs f***ing 40 civs-

[fair horizon]

conquer them

[molten gust]

you gotta do the focuses or put pressure on Yugoslavia when the event pops up

[fair horizon]

buy the kaga

[molten gust]

sometimes they’ll join axis, if not just invade them

[sudden grotto]

Should i join the entente and kill the central Powers or viceversa? Me ottomans with all balkans and lybia

[gaunt thorn]

the uk us and france attack from there tho

[dense axle]

whats the matter

[molten gust]

why didn’t you invade the UK

[pearl flume]

Come on Italy 💀

[gaunt thorn]

its too easy if u do

i wanted to do barb without it

[molten gust]

oh

[molten gust]

why didn’t you invade yugo then

[gaunt thorn]

i did

they were conqured by me and italy

[fair horizon]

did you buy the kaga yet?

[molten gust]

did you not defend your coastlines lol

if you’re not invading the UK you at least need to have an army group defending naval ports/coastlines

[patent thistle]

stalin is not having a great time, should i just buy off there battleships (if they have any left)

[fair horizon]

russian battleships were garbage irl

[upbeat plinth]

im new in the game and i dont understand a single thing, i watched videos and all it looked so easy hahah help.

[patent thistle]

they were okay gun platforms

[sudden grotto]

Does someone know what you get ifnyiu win ww1 as ottomans?

[patent thistle]

also they are cheap as shit

usally

[sudden grotto]

Tgwr

[fair horizon]

i mean i guess but they were pretty garbage in terms of their competitors

[patent thistle]

they had only 1 left-

[patent thistle]

guess i just buy off the heavy cruisers too then

[fair horizon]

buy the kaga

akagi needs her sister

[patent thistle]

fine-

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/azur-lane-kaga-akagi-scared-shocked-gif-16592210

[patent thistle]

okay why tf is the kaga a diffrent class here in this game-

[fair horizon]

no clue tbh

probably different battleships were converted

[sudden grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/bismarck-azur-lane-iron-lood-gif-1565736192170764999

Bismarck rules supreme

[patent thistle]

guess i just buy a kongo battlecruiser too cause she will need an escort

[pearl flume]

Spain is cooked

[sudden grotto]

Btw lutjens was an vice Admiral at his death, why in game its a full one

[timber swallow]

i always lose with communist spain in civil war, any tips or guide videos cus i cant find anything?

[fair horizon]

carlists win this btw

[fair horizon]

not sure if you get the option but the anarchists get the ability to buy guns from other countries

[pearl flume]

Bet

[fair horizon]

if you get it its like 1000 guns every time they let you so you end up with more guns than the other side

and they'll lose by attrition

also you get more real units than they do so use them to encircle the enemy volunteers

also any encirclement is going to win you the civil war

[fair horizon]

show fleet

[patent thistle]

purchase has to go through man-

i need to get my civs up again first-

[fair horizon]

me when i cripple my economy for my favorite irl ships

[patent thistle]

i am planning to by the tirpitz once i can (bismarck seems to have been sunk already)

[fair horizon]

Tirpitz will be next

[patent thistle]

the main thing is i almost automatically buy escorts too cause i am too lazy to make them myself-

luckly they are mostly sold in bulk

you know what i just buy the argentine destroyers, i just saw they are way cheaper-

[sudden grotto]

You can buy...navy?

[azure elbow]

you couldve even bought people a few decades ago

[sudden grotto]

Thats vic3-

[patent thistle]

its an extra mod but if i shared it the maker would most likely execute me-

how tf do you think i have the USS Enterprise and Akagi

[sudden grotto]

Erm...drugs-

Chilean navy on steroids

[patent thistle]

speaking of drugs btw

yeah turns out my guy forgot to add a trigger to check if a nation is at war with you-

[sudden grotto]

Marat Is Crazy work

Feels like that time when pepsi got payed with ussr shipss

[patent thistle]

the soviets are kinda in a situation called "collapsing"

so shit tends to be cheap

[zinc rune]

why arent my divisons recruting? they have been on 0% training for a year even though i have 2 million manpower and dont lack any equipment needed

[patent thistle]

the marat for example costed me only like 3 civs

[buoyant rivet]

what should be my final adddition for an armoured company?

[patent thistle]

i need to tell this to my guy

[patent thistle]

@fair horizon

i swear this is the LAST carrier i am buying- i have like 2 civs left-

[fair horizon]

You intervened

[patent thistle]

from f***ing 80

[fair horizon]

Pretty ship

[patent thistle]

i btw also have argentine destroyers now

[patent thistle]

might be an overside i have to tell my buddy about

[pearl flume]

Nope, playing as Yugoslavia

[patent thistle]

because i really shouldnt be able to buy the tirpitz when the germans are currently at war with me

[fair horizon]

i dont know anything about the argentinian navy other than that the battleships were built by the USA

[patent thistle]

or the brazilian battleships being build by the UK

i love the fact btw that they at first bought 3 ships but quickly saw they couldnt afford the third one-

[fair horizon]

the second one went back to britian right?

[patent thistle]

third one*

the first and second one went still through

the third one was to go to the ottomans at first but our guy churchill had other plans and litterally without orders seized it for britian

[tame copper]

Hello comrades

[patent thistle]

hello

[fair horizon]

COMMIEEEEE

[patent thistle]

we now have your ship

[tame copper]

?

What about it

[patent thistle]

i dont think your doing so great rightnow

do you need an ibuprofen?

[tame copper]

I think in the new dlc the Japanese should invade the soviets if Moscow falls

Like

I think they may have been like

"we want the far east goddamnit"

[patent thistle]

give them the option to seize vladivostock ez

[fair horizon]

Isnt that how they got half the island to the north?

[tame copper]

Why are border wars so hard

[patent thistle]

hey atleast be happy i bought your ship before the germans could take it

[tame copper]

They seem to be an ancient mechanic that doesn't really give anything and only exists with quite irrelevant countries (except USSR)

[fair horizon]

pre-ww1 battleship 💀

[patent thistle]

still a ship that could be used by the germans

also it was basically free (3 civs)

[tame copper]

I once tried to unify china as ma

[patent thistle]

mao?

[tame copper]

Ma

[fair horizon]

bro got ripped off 🥀

[tame copper]

Xibei San ma

[patent thistle]

i rather have it go to me then the AI using it against us

also i can cancel the contract if the soviets fall meaning i can just rip them off

[fair horizon]

ai doesnt take ships though

[toxic lotus]

alr i know how to get italy in yourr faction when u go latin entente

[patent thistle]

my friend actually made it so ai CAN take ships in peacedeals in this mod-

[fair horizon]

good mod

[patent thistle]

i just cant share it cause my friend would execute me if i did-

[fair horizon]

yeah thats fair

honestly the thing i hate the most about them not taking navies is that if you run out of points then that goes kaput

[patent thistle]

the only reason i even have the allowance to use it is because he needs multiple people to test faulties at times and because he knows me irl

for example the oversight that i can buy ships from nations i am at war with

[patent thistle]

agreed

[gilded ember]

where can i get help with hoi 4 i know nothing. tutorials are too coplicated and do not ansvers to my questions

[patent thistle]

basegame?

[fair horizon]

ask questions here

[patent thistle]

or DLC?

[gilded ember]

@patent thistle es

[patent thistle]

??

[gilded ember]

yes

[patent thistle]

let me check if i can find the old playlist again which i send to someone

[patent thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvHT121_lWQ&list=PL6EAZcF5cWbgrpxun8hU8qgisLuK60mUL&index=3

you just need to take a little patience with you for this video (almost 40 mins)

[honest adder]

is there any way to quickly change ideologies in a democratic nation with the generic focus tree

you can't do collectivist ethos when you are democratic

[dawn brook]

please help why am i doing this

[warm palm]

How do i move around armies at the bottom of the screen?

[honest adder]

drag and drop

[opal nymph]

click and drag the portraits

[azure elbow]

try to kinda play the game layer by layer

maybe start with somewhat of a landlocked country

navy is pretty dificult to manage

it goes like navy > army > planes for me

[pearl flume]

Of course Italian AI has a war goal on me for 4 years, and the second I pull my troops out of the border they declare war

[ripe slate]

You can just ignore navy and air if you are good at land against AI

[patent thistle]

canada is usally a good country to start with on historical to learn everything

since noone outside of the US (which doesnt declear on you) can really threaten you

(on historical)

[azure elbow]

i just started by spamming poland

[fair horizon]

navy is literally the easiest thing in the game

[azure elbow]

🤓

[ripe slate]

Terrible industry though

Id go for Sweden or smth

[fair horizon]

argentina

with dlc

otherwise australia

[craggy trail]

31k to 1 million

[sudden grotto]

eu4 flashbacks

[sudden grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/praise-him-gif-7042948485213753465

[patent thistle]

civilwar must fire soon

[dawn brook]

i was just feeling like playing with a random nation so i started playing with altai, turned fascist and oh well

[patent thistle]

i have been holding sicily and sardinia for quite a while now

[sudden grotto]

*yes mein Führer, sadly herr Steiner tried One of his Crazy moves in Calabria but he got encircled by the great ethiopian-brazilian army"

[sudden grotto]

Crazy

[patent thistle]

i sadly cant abuse it properly cause the brazilians are already dying

and i am pinned down

[fair horizon]

44 IN ONE TILE?

[frail sigil]

ive had more

[patent thistle]

44 aint shit

[frail sigil]

in one of my USA games i had like 96 on one tile

not very good for supply

[patent thistle]

i could easily get more

i just dont wanna

[fair horizon]

SPARE SUPPLY? ANYONE HAVE SOME SUPPLY?

[dawn brook]

also i'm using some mods so i got a pretty cursed leader

[frail sigil]

no

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supply issues? couldnt be me

[fair horizon]

show template

[dawn brook]

Himmler Khan of the oirats

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those gotta be some tiny divisions

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i forgot to change it-

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genties and landlemen can i have nation to play?

[fair horizon]

australia

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NO

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YOU ASKED

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i just realised i have been fighting with 6/0s for the entirety of ww2-

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NO

[fair horizon]

FINE YOU PLAY TIBET NOW

[dawn brook]

Hungary 🗣️ 🔥

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austria

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oh

[dusky burrow]

Lmao

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i make roulette hung aust tibet

[dawn brook]

horthy miklós katonaja vagyok 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 🇭🇺

[fair horizon]

austRALIA? or austRIA?

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keiner versteht dich-

[azure elbow]

wellp

hungry

it is

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i give you a better, new zealand

[fair horizon]

roll again until you get australia

[azure elbow]

whats the goal and path?

[wanton whale]

Poor soviet division

[dawn brook]

long live the regent Miklós Horthy 🗣️ 🔥

[fair horizon]

the anime waifu zukov even has a million medals 10/10

[dawn brook]

it just says that i'm a soldier of Miklós Horthy

[wanton whale]

Can't have a zukhov without the medals

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i just realised i have been fighting the entiretly of the ethiopian rebellion and ww2 with 6/0s because i have forgot to change them-

[frail sigil]

peak

mod name?

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i dont know what is more sad. that italy fell against them or that i never noticed-

[wanton whale]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1862018480

[frail sigil]

w

[dawn brook]

Iván Hindy didn't die for this 😭 💔 🇭🇺

[wanton whale]

Supercharged manpower

[fair horizon]

australia if it could core java

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china?

[frail sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-angel-ga-gala-ranpha-franboise-social-credit-gif-23510180

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how many anime mods are out there-

[dusky burrow]

f in chat for iván hindy

alternatively he's a fan

[wanton whale]

Nope

Germany

[dawn brook]

igaz 😔

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Yes.

[dawn brook]

https://tenor.com/view/hungary-gif-1142201547216426190

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i am currently using "world of anime"-

[wanton whale]

World of anime
Anime History
Road to Anime 56
Moe Order
etc etc

[dawn brook]

what the hell bro 😭

why so many

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world of anime is what i am using (i am also a moderator there in the discord dispide never really having asked for it-)

[wanton whale]

🔥