ask-for-help-here

[crisp mural]

im just 1 step closer to insane

yeah

i mean when i was first playing this game i was pretty bad too

but not this level

😭

[misty wagon]

what

[crisp mural]

click the bubble

[misty wagon]

these mfs are cheating bro 1000 units on a tile and their supply works somehow

[crisp mural]

they have supply in breda

[fathom thistle]

totally ignoring so many unassigned divs

😭

[crisp mural]

and they're easily memed

[crisp mural]

ong

what im i witnessing

[fathom thistle]

look at stats, think about what is going on

[crisp mural]

yeah

and look at your tanks division strength

you're not in a positive of stockpile bro

delete more

[misty wagon]

yea my tanks are like 6k in deficit

[crisp mural]

THEN DELETE MORE

until you have positive stockpike

your tanks is paper

[misty wagon]

i need to delete all of them then

[crisp mural]

then do it 💀

you dont even have enough equipment for 1 div

then just

scrap your production

everything on infantry

[misty wagon]

i did

[crisp mural]

and special force

[misty wagon]

should i pull out the ww1 tactics

and make some infantry blocks

[crisp mural]

yes

[misty wagon]

lets go we love mass murder

[keen hemlock]

if im you im just spamming mountianeers with whatever armour i have left

[misty wagon]

this is nice?

ima keep some mils on tanks so in the future when im rich i can make some

[crisp mural]

add field hospital

logi company

and you shold be good to go

[keen hemlock]

^

[primal silo]

I'd rather put helicopters than logi

[crisp mural]

not everyone research helicopters bro

[misty wagon]

i kinda forgot to research those

[crisp mural]

THEN WHAT WAS YOUR RESEARCH ON

[primal silo]

True, but heli + hospital is kind of insane

[austere roost]

You can also make 9/9 spgs/inf or 8/10 spgs/inf before you unlock the last slot

[misty wagon]

i kinda finished the 2 last ones

[crisp mural]

he dont even have enough production for 1 tank div

@misty wagon just delete your tank production

[misty wagon]

we pulling out the big guns aka blocks of human shields

[crisp mural]

its meaningless

[misty wagon]

I DID

oh

[crisp mural]

oh ok

[austere roost]

280 factories is def enough

[crisp mural]

mech too

[misty wagon]

wait im producing tanks but not tank divisions

[crisp mural]

@misty wagon SHOW ME YOUR FACTORIES COMBINATION

[misty wagon]

ima produce some soo in the future i use tanks

[crisp mural]

IM MENTALLY PREPARED

TO LOOK AT

[misty wagon]

what is that

[crisp mural]

180 CIVS

[austere roost]

But like 280 is definitely very low in 1942 as a major

[crisp mural]

just hover over the factorie thing

and screenshot

[crisp mural]

ofc hes new

[primal silo]

60 mils on scout planes

[misty wagon]

thjis thingy

[crisp mural]

true....

💀

99 civs

actually

mb

[misty wagon]

I GOT TOLD NOT TO MAKE CIVS

[crisp mural]

yes

ur right

dont make civs

but not 99 civs in 1942

and especially

you're going PEC

[primal silo]

yeah 100/280 is not a bad civ ratio

[crisp mural]

you should build civs

until 1937

or smth

[misty wagon]

my entire country needs repair

OMG

netherlands count ur damn days bro

[crisp mural]

xd

[crisp mural]

💀

lowk stream the game

i wanna see the struggle

[misty wagon]

if i could JUST take netherlands down

i would be fine

[crisp mural]

the insanity of new hoi4 players

[dusty sandal]

you can build civs ifyou go PEG but it's not advisable for the historical route

[crisp mural]

belgium will be a different hell

💀

[primal silo]

at this point might as well go for nukes 😛 that will get them off those 2 tiles

[austere roost]

No you build mils 3.5 years before war

[dusty sandal]

you need to equip your divs to do that

[austere roost]

So for Germany you build mils day 1

[misty wagon]

WHAT IS PEG

i swear always when im on this server im a laughing stock i do NOTHING wrong

[misty wagon]

im doing that

[keen hemlock]

which doctrines did you take

[misty wagon]

idk i press random ones

[keen hemlock]

can you send a sceenshot?

[dusty sandal]

you can't do that

[misty wagon]

where i find them

[dusty sandal]

if you don't know why you're doing something, then you should probably reconsider
it's strategy 101

don't do something when you don't know why you're doing it

[keen hemlock]

the officer hat

[misty wagon]

land

[keen hemlock]

fire concentration

[misty wagon]

naval

[keen hemlock]

at least you took grand assualt its the best

[misty wagon]

aoir

[primal silo]

TBH only GWI is terrybad

[misty wagon]

USA joined

ah its wraps

https://tenor.com/view/mods-moderators-run-away-leave-sea-of-thieves-gif-4500125071744173652

@crisp mural any more stuff u wanna witness

i think i will get a atomic bomb before i take netherlands

i think i figured out the problem

[primal silo]

Good old "only one gun shard between the whole squad" like in the PRC army

[sterile marten]

@solemn pasture

[lone bloom]

im green to HOI in general, played alot of console stellaris, but only recently got HOI4, any good youtube guides or threads to help me wraap my head around this game?

[primal silo]

bittersteel on youtube is considered to have pretty decent newbie-friendly guides

[crisp mural]

💀

[crisp mural]

💀

[misty wagon]

i tried it out bro was so hard to keep up with

[crisp mural]

sk1ll1ssu3

[lone bloom]

ill check him out, got a little taste of 4x strategy and cant put it down, so far from my old strtegy tastes of age of empires 😂

[crisp mural]

just go to youtube and search for them broski

[dusty sandal]

segl is a trustworthy source
just be mindful of the upload date

just be mindful of the upload date

meta changes with updates

only stats stayed basically the same (except air atk for divs)

[vital geode]

Segl is MP focused btw

Holy 2013 era username batman

[lone bloom]

oh me?

[vital geode]

Yeah lol

[dusty sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcp1ooD_YqY

[lone bloom]

yeah, i just copied my gamertag on xbox

[vital geode]

You just need another set of X's to be a true 2013 username

[fair hare]

rly good segl vid

[lone bloom]

which btw? yeah about 2010 when i changed the tag to this

[vital geode]

Sorry for interrupting your train of thought

[lone bloom]

oh im good, im just trying to convert stellaris train of thought to hoi4 and FAILING

[vital geode]

In the past, xX_name_Xx was popular

[vital geode]

Stellaris trains you for naval gameplay

But otherwise there is not much similarities besides armies have combat width

[lone bloom]

so once i understand the game, play britin and laugh.

[vital geode]

Basically

Just remember you need to defend your colonies and take back the mainland

Unless you successfully have the BEF hold France

[lone bloom]

my a button appears to hate me, ive played other strategy games, just not hoi. age of empires, arma counts right? 🤔

[vital geode]

A button?

[lone bloom]

wasd, a

[vital geode]

Oh, it somewhat hurts me that you cant use wasd to move the map

[lone bloom]

i clicked it and its not working unless i tap hard

[vital geode]

It is arrow keys

Or you just move your mouse to the edge of the screen

[lone bloom]

mouse i tried off muscle memory from my AOE days, didnt know i could use directional keys

[native otter]

how can you stop the AI from filling in frontline gaps when im trying to retreat aka give up space on purpose

[vital geode]

Fun fact, you don't

Just cover their retreat when they are pushed back

[native otter]

cuz i retreat them, ai makes them fill the frontline when im trying to retreat then that stupid division gets encircled

cuz the ai pushed them in to fill the frontline

when im trying to make them retreat

[scenic nacelle]

Still have no clue what xX means

[native otter]

i lost a crap ton of divisions because the AI is being stupid

[dusty sandal]

disable ally supplies and they'll vacate your land

[vital geode]

Just a bit of flare i guess

[native otter]

how do i do that

[fair hare]

its meta

[scenic nacelle]

Uhuh

[dusty sandal]

oh you meant your divs

[vital geode]

Fun fact, not really

[native otter]

yea

eg. im fighting china ias japan

one of the warlords collapse

[dusty sandal]

you can't, except if you manually micro them

[native otter]

and all space goes to my frontline

but that crap is encirclement prime

and the ai is pushing them all into that small space

[vital geode]

xX_Cz3ch0slovak_Xx

[native otter]

and they all die to a encirclement

[dusty sandal]

just make a new order further away

[native otter]

id rather give up that space

[native otter]

its the ones next to the units going into fill

[dusty sandal]

just make another order

that doesn't incude the land you want to give up. Or remove al orders until then

[dusty sandal]

I understand what you mean
my point still stands

[keen hemlock]

Czechoslovakia suggestion is insane

[proud orbit]

Is this where I can go to get help learning how to make divisions and such?

[tough wedge]

There's a guide from bittersteel that explains it all

[proud orbit]

Im learning the game and im struggling with France and Britain

[fathom thistle]

check pins

[dusty sandal]

first tip for those is switch you garrison law to local autonomy asap

military governor is a game killer on those 2

[proud orbit]

Why?

[dusty sandal]

you die from 2 million men going into garrisons as you shoot down all the compliance you start with

[vapid ivy]

hi im new to this game can som1 tell me how hes back after he lost ww2 in 1944? 💔

[slender junco]

guys I'm playing for the first Time in multiplayer with a my friend, he is at a peace conference but I'm blocked in the normal map with the time stopped, what should i do? (I'm Not English original)

[slender junco]

I tink you're playing unhistorical

[thick wraith]

somehow the map doent look cursed

[vapid ivy]

no this is historical

[slender junco]

.

[vapid ivy]

my guess is mabye your not involved in it (idk i havent played multiplayer before)

[thick wraith]

i guess u have to wait

[slender junco]

I'm waiting for 10 minutes

[thick wraith]

is he done with the Peace conference?

[slender junco]

no, we're trying to exit and enter

[thick wraith]

wdym?

[thick wraith]

ohhh, yea it prolly needs a lot of time

[slender junco]

how much?

[thick wraith]

prolly depends on ur friend internet speed ig :p

or urs

[slender junco]

ok, thanks

[thick wraith]

if its still like that, ig u might want to create a new

[snow venture]

i started the peace conference, realized i forgot to demiliterize the rhineland, alt-f4'ed

restarted the game

and now i have no victory score to do anything x))))))))))))))))))

is there a way to fix this? going for the england WC and this peace conference pretty much sums up the whole map besides a few random countries

[misty wagon]

guys do yall think this is winable?

[errant chasm]

no

[placid wing]

how to get

[misty wagon]

why do u think that

[errant chasm]

wait you could win if you have good production and have green air

then you can win using steiner's counter attack

[misty wagon]

eh

[primal silo]

Mostly because it's '43 and you are losing a war you should have won in '40 at most
Also I would assume the US join allies by this time, and there's no way you can stand up to the US without France factories and steel

[errant chasm]

I see USA occupying Italy, it's joever now

[misty wagon]

wdym which war u talking bat

abt

[primal silo]

Right, hard to tell them apart from france

[misty wagon]

usa feels like when mods come in chat

https://tenor.com/view/mods-moderators-run-away-leave-sea-of-thieves-gif-4500125071744173652

[primal silo]

vs France and Benelux

[misty wagon]

i spent 2 hours of my life fighting here i still have failed i cant get netherlands

[errant chasm]

Attack through Belgium through the Ardennes. Surely it would work again -Hitler 1944

[primal silo]

It is winnable in principle, but 100% not winnable by someone that could get into that situation in the first place

[misty wagon]

yea i mean i never got this far by hitler route

im kinda new still i still got 80 hours

[primal silo]

I'd suggest to start with minors TBH, big majors can a lot to handle for a new player

[austere roost]

try following bittersteel's germany guide

[misty wagon]

i watched that for 30 minutes and i got lost

[austere roost]

you're supposed to play along with him

not just watch and forget

[misty wagon]

oh

[misty wagon]

what if i just hold rn as long as i can would that do anything

[primal silo]

without the US maybe you could try to grind them out of manpower, with the US, not really

[neat widget]

are you battleplanning

in general, don't

[misty wagon]

i battle plan i can do anything nothing works

im cooked now

[errant chasm]

yeah even if you mirco it. The mass amount of allied troops garentee you to lose unless if they have low supply

[neat widget]

or if you can click them

"click" being a term no one knows what it really means

[errant chasm]

explain please?

[neat widget]

well if you can reinforce meme the allies off of a particular tile then you can push them

[misty wagon]

leme see if i can cheese a soviet allience

[neat widget]

that said, i've heard people say both that special forces click and heavy tds barely click anything, which can't be possible unless they have two different ideas of what "click" actually means

[misty wagon]

if only i could kill these dudes ghere

[neat widget]

what do your heavy tanks look like btw

[errant chasm]

heavy tanks that is a bit over kill in sp. Usually medium howis are fine

[neat widget]

sometimes you look at divisions and go "oh that's why"

don't even have 5th slot unlocked by 1943

also what dlcs do you have

[rapid urchin]

can an improved medium sp tank be converted into an improved flame tank?

basically as long as the tank is the same hull can it be converted to different types

[misty wagon]

none

wait wrong reply

[misty wagon]

none

[neat widget]

at least use assault engineers, light tank recon, hospitals, logistics, and signals for your support companies

[rapid urchin]

bump?

[neat widget]

i've had mixed results, sometimes i could sometimes i couldn't and i don't know why

[rapid urchin]

you would have to "decomission" it

[blissful depot]

can i have a cheap, good tank?

its 1936

[primal silo]

which country?

[fathom thistle]

Get 38 hull and stick to it

[primal silo]

pretty hard to have '38 hull in '36

[fathom thistle]

Don't try to build tanks in 36

[blissful depot]

ok

[primal silo]

Germany starts with a semi-decent heavy that can be a serviceable infantry tank with minimal changes

[fathom thistle]

What's its design?

[primal silo]

max on soft attack, but can be improved quite a bit by goign down on speed, up on armor, changing the main gun and adding more reliability with tracks

[fathom thistle]

Anything that is a starting design is usually bad. I wouldn't go with that heavy tank hull either

[fathom thistle]

You want to get a howitzer anyway so those starting tanks will be useless. Just get the medium 38 hull and get arty 2 for howitzer

For sp heavy tanks are just not worth it

If you want larp sure

[primal silo]

Base tank:

Minor adjustments:

[austere roost]

It's a not bad idea to do that if you can get the armor division quest done early and for training your design mio to get cut corners asap

[austere roost]

Turn it into heavy SPG/TD

[misty wagon]

WE STILL HOLDING WE GOT THIS

[hollow plinth]

fvck am i suppose to do

[keen hemlock]

do you have any earlier copies of this save

id like to try to save it

[misty wagon]

its ironman

[primal silo]

Not worth to mkae TDs against AI, but you could mix SPG with the close support gun and normal tanks with the heavy cannon leaving everything else equal

[misty wagon]

i dont do normal cuz every time i just cheat

[hollow plinth]

what do i do

[austere roost]

TDs are def worth it compared to regular tanks

In some cases they're even better than spgs cuz they take half supply

[hollow plinth]

bs cant understand sh4t

fvking game

[primal silo]

of SPGs yes, but they take up only ~6.5% less supply than tanks, while losing a bunch of breakthrough just to gain more piercing you don't really need against AI

[austere roost]

No TDs get a lot more buffs than tanks do

[primal silo]

well, if you go for the SPG/TD/SPAA doctrine, yes

but those kick in gradually, not not much of a concern with '36 tanks

But also lose on a lot of normal tank bonuses unless you go specifically for streamlined deployment

[fair hare]

but if u techrush u can get heavy cannon in like mid 41 i think

heavy howi

and also u get medium howi 2

against ai it smacks

and for break (against ai it isnt rly needed they wont rly ever crit u) u can js bump up some armor ticks and get radio

and u can also get the heavy tank doctrine for extra stats

[errant bear]

hey could you give me a design for flame tank? I'm building space marines but idk bout the flame design

[fair hare]

breakthroughmaxx

and fuel tank is optional

[primal silo]

keep it as cheap as possible unless you have factories coming out of your ass

[fair hare]

ye 1 of those

[primal silo]

flame tanks gets massive debuffs to their stats, so not much wort tricking it out, and you pick them for their % modifiers, not for the stats

[fair hare]

yep

i still do it as germany/ussr tho and u can get entrenchment too or fuel tank so if u get encircled/if u wanna snake u can do it for like 1-2 more days

[errant bear]

I don't wanna put unnecessary stuff on it cuz I'm already really low on medium spg tanks that I wanna put in my infantry to make them space marines so I want the flame tank to be cheap but effective

[fair hare]

makes sense

[primal silo]

I like to put extra fuel barrels on them since I'm not using the slots

[errant bear]

well I'm playing as Italy so their industry as we all know sucks xd

[neat widget]

they still have more soft attack though

[neat widget]

you can put a decent amount of breakthrough on them tbh

[errant bear]

I've failed a couple times by now cuz of navy and other stuff. this time I spammed making dds. hopefully it'll work out

[primal silo]

not the TDs (which is what I was talking about) +SA for them kicks in quite late

[neat widget]

oh yeah not the tds

spgs have more soft attack

[misty wagon]

THE REICH WILL NOT FALL THAT EASILY

[neat widget]

a bit of hard attack is still useful

[errant bear]

bought like 5 factories worth of oil too so I ain't running out of fuel xd though when I saw how quick my fuel silo got filled, I think that might've been an overkill

[austere roost]

Don't build space marines. But for flames, either build the cheapest or stack breakthrough on it

[errant bear]

why not? heard it's broken. and it's a bit too late I already put points in the design 😭

[austere roost]

Cuz it sucks

95% of hoi4 advice is garbage tier

[primal silo]

sure, but 2 hard attack and a bunch of piercing is not worth losing almost 10 breakthrough imho, particularly against AI

[austere roost]

10 breakthrough means nothing in sp

[neat widget]

depends on how much breakthrough you have

and whether you're later in the game

[austere roost]

Breakthrough in sp is irrelevant once you reach around 400

[errant bear]

it's annoying that people always say different stuff like some say spam torpedo dds some say spam light cruisers idk which oneee D :

[primal silo]

Sure but we are talking about '36 tanks again, you are not maxxing your stats by any stretch of imagination

[austere roost]

Most of the advice in pins is nice, but the armor part is outdated

And in English sources segl is very good

[errant bear]

oh I got the dd design from segl

[austere roost]

if you want beginner's stuff you can follow bittersteel's germany guide

following his guide and recreating it gives you a feel of what a hoi4 game should be like

[errant bear]

I keep tryna win with Italy cuz yk the game said it's best for beginners but everybody always say germany is better

[austere roost]

Hoi4 devs don't play the game

They don't even test it

[errant bear]

well I don't wanna like copy and paste his run yk xd more or so learn the cores and what's best for what

[primal silo]

both are effective, I prefer torpedo DDs personally

[errant bear]

Lmao ok xdd

[austere roost]

I mean it you don't even know how to motorize supply or do tech juggling then idk what's the point of going through the "core" mechanics

[primal silo]

tech juggling is just annoying to do

[austere roost]

But if you know what tech juggling is it's a signal that you already know a bit of the game

[errant bear]

oh I do know that you go to the supply part and click the supply hub two times and also get your army motorize supply too xd what's tech juggling though

[austere roost]

so just follow bittersteel's guide

you learn the introductory "core" of the game

[errant bear]

so I just looked up what tech juggling is and uh... yeah I might need to watch the guide xdd

[primal silo]

Keep in mind that tech juggling might help you research specific techs faster, but doesn't gain you any overall extra research

[errant bear]

also one thing I gotta say, the tuturial actually is kinda worthless lmao. it barely teaches you things tbh

[primal silo]

Most players start with Italy, Germany and/or UK, but I think those are a bit too overwhelming for a total newcomer

[errant bear]

well I for sure am not gonna go for uk cuz it envolves a lot of navy and I'm already struggling with Italy's navy

[primal silo]

I'd rank UK as the easiest of the three tbh, but still think for a newbie a land-based minor that fight alongside a bigger ally is an easier start to learn the ropes

[errant bear]

mm like hungary or romania?

[primal silo]

yeah

[austere roost]

yes but some techs are more important to get earlier

like a big reason ussr is so strong is because it can get 1941 production line and 1943 concentrated and 1943 artillery tech by 1940

[rapid urchin]

how can a unit be reinforce memed even though i told it to last stand?

for example i strat deploy a unit to a location with immdiate last stand command (that the ai is walking into) only for it to lose org and be memed?

[clear whale]

Please help, i play good with germany untill like 1941-1942 and i cant get naval superiority cause my navy is just so ass and it gets demolished in seconds

[low olive]

what's the most effective way to build compliance? it seems to work for a little while and then suddenly resistances slowly take over

[primal silo]

if the unit doesn't join the battle last stand does not do anything

[rapid urchin]

leave it on civlian oversight if you need it for spain to rebuild

[keen hemlock]

^

[rapid urchin]

but most of the time do local police force and make sure the garisons are fullfilled

[low olive]

what template

[rapid urchin]

just fill it with cav but most of the the cheapest starting template you have will do the trick

a cav block

[primal silo]

filling with cav is only useful if you add MP

[low olive]

was there some more effective way as well? i heard mechanized had something to do with it

[primal silo]

otherwise 1 cav is just as good as 50

[primal silo]

interwar light tanks as cheap as you can make them, but it;s not "more effective", it saves you manpower while costing you a lot more ICs

[rapid urchin]

not really

[primal silo]

really

[rapid urchin]

mhm

most of the time compliance dosent really pay off unless its above 50% andeven then itll take like 2years to reach that amount

[primal silo]

for garrison what the game looks is only the equipment per suppression and manpower per suppression that the unit has, 1 cav and 50 cav will have the same ratio

[austere roost]

but it does change when you add supports

25 cav + 1 mp costs much less support equipment than 1 cav + 1 mp

[primal silo]

The difference is with MP, which don't scale with the number of units, so on 50 cavs their cost is a lot more diluted

[low olive]

but they don't work half the time, i have maxed out MP horse batallions as garrison on whatever ruling law and complience just doesn't rise or fall for years

[austere roost]

did you hover over the province's resistance and compliance bar?

[primal silo]

That's what I said

[austere roost]

Also if you're on things like harsh quota don't expect resistance to fall and compliance to rise

[low olive]

i usually leave it on military governor so i don't have to look at that menu for the entire playthrough

but testing other laws didn't seem to work either

[austere roost]

civilian oversight for dem, liberated worker for comm, local police force for all else

[primal silo]

what garrison unit you use does not affect resistance/compliance as long as you have enough MP/equipment

My suggestion for garrison law, is use the one with the most compliance gain that keeps the target below 25%

or give up compliance entirely and use max resistance reduction

[low olive]

so you're saying i can never raise complience?

[low olive]

unless my garrisons DON'T have the equipment

[primal silo]

no, your garrison not having equipment means the resistance reduction from your law is reduced/removed, but the compliance penalty still applies

[frosty nymph]

Hi there...
I'm having an issue where it doesn't recognize that I'm producing something required for a template. Can someone help me with this design to make it register as light SP AA?

[primal silo]

aren't vickers medium tanks?

[frosty nymph]

No idea. It's the basic light tank hull

It probably just pulled that name out of the air

[primal silo]

double check you are not making medium AAs

[austere roost]

what does the save *0 thing say when you hover over it?

also remove the 4 engine clicks

[frosty nymph]

It's showing this, so I don't think that's the problem.

[primal silo]

Also I see you have a different equipment tag (the shield) from the standard one, does your unit has the same one marked?

[frosty nymph]

Probably not. I was just noticing that as well. What's the default for SP AA?

[clear whale]

can i get help how to get a better navy for germany to invade the UK, cant seem to get naval superiority

[primal silo]

I think the first icon is the default for everything, but not 100% sure

[frosty nymph]

Ahh, Paradox didn't fully implement it then, I see. 😛

[primal silo]

Currently the two main strats to keep it simple is destroyers with max torpedos or light cruisers maxing soft attack

[clear whale]

but the problem is that when i try to produce them, it says it comes out 1943 or sum bullshit

[frosty nymph]

This did it. Switched icon to the first one and it worked

[primal silo]

the icons mark a different "type" of equipment, so units will use them only if told to do so

[frosty nymph]

And it was the same problem for my airplane listed in there too.

Thanks for your help 🙂

[primal silo]

they are useful if you want to make something for a special use, particularly for navy

[primal silo]

did you assign more than 1 dockyard to it?

[clear whale]

yea

like 5

like as much as i can

[obtuse anchor]

Thw design is probably too expensive

[clear whale]

probably

idk i dont know nun about navy

[obtuse anchor]

Show the design

[rain scaffold]

Say you want to increase the size of a template without losing experience, will having a specialized template help?

For example, I want to convert a 9 inf template to a 9 inf 2 arty template. If I then create a template with just 2 arty, train it to max, and merge them, will they retain more xp than just converting and letting it reinforce normally?

[primal silo]

even a fully tricked out cruiser should not take that long
unless it's a battleship, than it's more normal

[primal silo]

I have not tried, but iirc keeping the same width and manpower used should work

[obtuse anchor]

Cruisers take at most half a year (from my experience) as for my battleship, it took me 5 years to produce 1

[clear whale]

lowk dont make a design and just use the design the game gave me 😭

[obtuse anchor]

You will always lose experience after modifying a template

[rain scaffold]

yes, but to the same degree?

[obtuse anchor]

Think of it as a fully trained batallion gaining 1.000 men as reinforcements

Those 1.000 men are not trained, and that affects xp

[glacial steeple]

not true

[rain scaffold]

Im aware. Normal reinforcements are fresh recruits, so that will dilute division XP. Im asking whether manually "reinforcing" by merging two trained divisions will still dilute that xp.

thus the arty example

[glacial steeple]

your div xp will stay the same if you EDIT it and the manpower is the same

not if you use the green convert button tho

[obtuse anchor]

Doesnt equipment do anything here

[glacial steeple]

well i wouldnt use that at all, but if you increase size you lose vet, you can grind out large divs and change their batallions later

in thise case 10 inf would retain vet if changed to 9 inf 2 arty

since same manpower

[glacial steeple]

no

only with convert button

[glacial steeple]

width is irrelevant too

[obtuse anchor]

Okay, thanks for correcting me

[austere roost]

first of all don't add line artillery.
second of all there is an exploit to do that. Create 1 inf divisions that only use 1918 guns (A), 1 art divisions that use no equipment (B), and 20 or 25 inf divisions with art support and light tank support that use no equipment (C). Deploy division As and train them to regular, then in the same day while not pausing, change them first to division B and then division C and then train them to regular. Such training only costs 1918 guns and you don't need to reinforce any equipment. Then to convert them to your desired division, like a 36w armor division (D), make a copy of division D which adds one inf battalion (E). As long as division C has more manpower requirements than division E, your new divisions will keep regular status after all equipments are reinforced. Then convert E to D to get 97% to regular divisions. This is much faster and cost effective than training division D from scratch.

[rain scaffold]

Jesus. Thanks for the writeup

[quaint sky]

whats the point of trains?

and why does the game beg me to produce them?

[primal silo]

supply goes trough railroads from your capital to supply hubs, trains are needed for that to happen

[glacial steeple]

it does it without too

just worse

[left glacier]

River supply

[primal silo]

Much worse, apart from the minimum supply that each tile generates independently

[spring shore]

bit of a complex question, which are the best carrier/destroyer/cruiser base blueprint researchable thing?

[red jay]

could we create mods?

[neat widget]

<@&846894118219022336>

[crisp mural]

https://tenor.com/view/mod-mod-gif-time-to-learn-mods-king-snoops-gif-3426083554824922257

[neat widget]

i'm pinging them because someone's self-promoting

[crisp mural]

i know

[neat widget]

oh i see

[crisp mural]

hes hacked prob

[neat widget]

yeah fair

[half kite]

why can't i recruit and deploy i have guns in pruduction and tanks whats the problem

[errant chasm]

open the logisitics tab

[half kite]

ok

[gentle crest]

is initiative still an important stat for inf

[errant chasm]

you have negative guns

you owe guns to many divisions

[primal silo]

it's the Soviet, they are used to sharing

[errant chasm]

you can piroritze guns by click on one of the three dots which is shown as yellow in deployment

[dark thunder]

Make sure you also assign some field marshals, crazy important for the USSR

[obtuse anchor]

Yes, there are countless tutorials on youtube, even from an official HOI4 channel

[golden sable]

what to do if uk lowkey destroys ur entire fleet

[bleak silo]

alt+f4

[neat widget]

sounds about right

[errant chasm]

consider making planes instead of ships next time

[bleak silo]

why not carriers then

[errant chasm]

yeah that to

[languid trout]

ur screwed

[errant chasm]

that's why no one build battleships these days irl wise

[languid trout]

unless u wanna build light cruisers and battleships and destroyers for a few years

or u can swap out battleships with heavycruisers

or just paratroop into them if ur close enough

[errant chasm]

nah if you are building a battleship build most people like to double down and build super heavy battleships if that was the case

[languid trout]

oh yeah and that

not everyone has a naval engi facility though

[errant chasm]

fair usually I just build destroyers and cruisers and carriers if that was the case.

[languid trout]

takes a while to build one and research one and also build one

[frail sigil]

Lowkey hit that restart button

Depends how much coast you have to garrison as youll now be swarmed by the infamous rapid fire UK naval invasions, if you dont have much coast to worry about, set some defensive lines on the coast and try to win the air instead

Youre gonna struggle on the isles with no sea dominance since your convoys will have the lifespan of a fart

[glacial steeple]

those also dont have dockyards

[drifting bane]

can enyone go ahead send me the linke to Extended Tech Tree 1960

2026

[errant chasm]

Yo casey how was the MC?

[glacial steeple]

its so good

[slate nimbus]

i thought the play was Light Cruisers for Patrol, destroyers and the such for Strike Force

while submarines are.... just there

[glacial steeple]

idk what hoi4 is anymore did they change it

[errant chasm]

As far as I know its still on 1.18

[glacial steeple]

are guns bad yet

[outer stream]

How can I defeat the United States with Mexico?

[slate nimbus]

they slways been bad

[glacial steeple]

i havent played 1.18 ngl

[errant chasm]

1.18 is the czech dlc. It powercreeped the german mios

[glacial steeple]

fish found in water

[slate nimbus]

GREAT MEXICO

[outer stream]

Bro im so noob

[slate nimbus]

well youd want to attack them earlier since USA is kinda weak at the start

[slate nimbus]

hey, me too!

[errant chasm]

Anyways I heading to sleep so I can wake up early for a vic3 game. Good night Casey, Maki, and Papas

[glacial steeple]

i havent played in long enough that my only meaningful meta advice is make gun that is good

make inf unit larger

battleplan

[outer stream]

The most I've been able to do with Mexico was to invade as far as Panama.

[slate nimbus]

hey thanks, goodnight

[glacial steeple]

did you follow the guide

[outer stream]

My naval invasions of Colombia always go wrong; sometimes they land but then they kick me out.

[slate nimbus]

also assign CAS to area

[glacial steeple]

research gun (ahead of time) make inf unit larger

battleplan

[glacial steeple]

no, air is optional

need gun, best gun

[slate nimbus]

i find air carries

[outer stream]

Guide?...

I haven't seen any guides

[glacial steeple]

well yeah probably because your ground units are small/bad

and air is static damage

[glacial steeple]

infantry gameplay is like, not very hard to learn

and mexico isnt a nation that can do anything but inf/special forces

[slate nimbus]

which for the case of my glorious country, it kinda is

[glacial steeple]

you can change them

[slate nimbus]

true true, the templates

will anyone think of the templates???

[glacial steeple]

more hp = lose less

so if youre a small or limited nation

you want large units

so you dont like suffer horrendously

[slate nimbus]

issue there would be manpower methinks

[glacial steeple]

you, lose less manpower

from having larger units

its just better for you if youre small

its why a lot of players struggle because like

[outer stream]

Also, just before declaring war on Guatemala, I have a civil war.

[glacial steeple]

they keep their units small and then lost more

[glacial steeple]

its a stability issue

[slate nimbus]

a lot of starting templates are like 6 inf divs like what the helly

[glacial steeple]

with atheist or catholic government

[slate nimbus]

i forget the exact size but theyre so small

[glacial steeple]

just dont make many, but make them larger

[outer stream]

I normally have 40-50 stability

[glacial steeple]

6 inf is good tho fot defense

[glacial steeple]

mexico specifically

you need 60+ while at war or civil war

[slate nimbus]

for defense i usually leave them at 20 combat width

[slate nimbus]

low stability will really make things harder for you

[glacial steeple]

only as mexico

everyone else its whatever

[slate nimbus]

my glorious territory...

[glacial steeple]

the united states of mexico

[slate nimbus]

the great united states of Mexico... mi sangre

[outer stream]

Which is better, to be a fascist or a communist?

Or it doesn't matter

[slate nimbus]

really depends on who you want as your allies

you evaluate how theyre doing and start asociating with em

[austere roost]

Both are better than dem/non aligned

[slate nimbus]

dem limits you a bunch

[austere roost]

Fascists have actually beneficial puppets while comm has better occupation law

[outer stream]

Bro, I want to know how to invade Colombia

It doesn't matter if I have 40 divisions in the Darien

[thin girder]

whatas going wrong here

[outer stream]

I can't move forward

[glacial steeple]

generally communist

[thin girder]

why cant i

[glacial steeple]

if generic rules

[thin girder]

push

into neth

tf

[glacial steeple]

better occupation, manpower

[thin girder]

theyre pushin me back

[austere roost]

You can still join Republican Spain as fascist

[glacial steeple]

huh wdym

[austere roost]

Send volunteers to Republican Spain to get the gold

[glacial steeple]

its just in a vacuum communism in hoi4 is best

[thin girder]

rooooo

wtff

this si some bullshit

rigged ass game

[glacial steeple]

pause?

im not able to join rn

going to sleep

[slate nimbus]

pushing thru a river will make things harder

[thin girder]

yea true im tryna push vvia the north tho

ts happens

even if my planning is at max

[austere roost]

Also how does +4 Japan still lose to UK and USA navy?

[slate nimbus]

they have more divs per tile than you do

[glacial steeple]

not relevant usually

80% of the time quality > quantity

and 100% of the time in europe

[austere roost]

He's have to go into battle screen and look at the modifiers

[outer stream]

How can I invade Colombia?

[thin girder]

hm

[austere roost]

Also @glacial steeple I got 7k attack finally I can show you it later

[outer stream]

Even with 40 divisions in Darien, I can't advance

[glacial steeple]

thats cool!

[thin girder]

so what do i do

[glacial steeple]

yeah its the darien gap

the most hellish place to push in hoi4

[rapid urchin]

should i give up the forts here or keep on fighting?

[outer stream]

bruh

[glacial steeple]

theres no angles to attack from, its jungle

[rapid urchin]

allies have so many divisions and despite my constant last stands i cant seem to stop them

[glacial steeple]

theres no easy encirclements, naval invasions

though you should go around it

[slate nimbus]

check the blobs to see their stats against yours and see what the diff could be

[glacial steeple]

pushing the gap itself suuucks

ive tried and done it

it was NOT worth it

[outer stream]

I'm terrible at naval invasions

I don't understand them

[rapid urchin]

bump?

[outer stream]

I don't even know about ships.

I just select the divisions to carry out the naval invasion and that's it

😹

[cosmic pollen]

Anyone have discard pixel server link?

[rapid urchin]

anyone have any thoughts on how i can survive this 44 endsieg?

i cant get green air anywhere lets just say

[keen hemlock]

tons of aa and armor

[vital geode]

What are your plane templates?

[thin girder]

\

dude yea bro

like

i cant

do shit

[vital geode]

18w inf should also easily hold Italy if they have support AA

[rapid urchin]

very trash from the start (starting templates) and im trying to go as high as i can to hopefully trade the allies down though it will take time

[thin girder]

this happens every time i play hardest mode

stupid ass netherlands is imposible todefeat

this pmo bro

[vital geode]

Oh, you never upgraded your air

Yeah, the air war is lost

[rapid urchin]

its a starting scenario lets just say

[thin girder]

ima js restart

this game is cooked

whatever

idc

[vital geode]

There is no such thing as out trading with worse designs in air

[rapid urchin]

should i ust pull out of italy and go to the alps and defend there?

[vital geode]

Why abandon defensible terrain

[rapid urchin]

time to get entrenched and build forts

[vital geode]

No need to build forts

How many troops do you have down there

[thin girder]

ye pgg

[vital geode]

24 should be more than enough

[thin girder]

i quit hoi4

[vital geode]

This is why we use field marshal frontlines

[rapid urchin]

i have about 34ish

[thin girder]

its not even that bullshit

its netherlands being impossible to invade

[vital geode]

Are you playing endsieg?

[thin girder]

the allies send all of their might to it

[rapid urchin]

yes

[thin girder]

and it becomes impossible

[vital geode]

Ah

[thin girder]

like bro

[rapid urchin]

ive already edited the templates to something better but its all taking time to take effect lets just say

[thin girder]

waste of 1 hour

on bs

[vital geode]

They are easy to invade if they dont join allies before you go to war with them

Do you use air support?

Or do you just bash into a frontline while your troops get bombed

[thin girder]

yes but they killed all my planes

[vital geode]

What are your plane designs

[thin girder]

im ass at plane

idk

i just sent my fighters to air superiority

and cas to cas

[vital geode]

So you never changed the designs...

[rapid urchin]

is the endsieg just veryyy hard to beat?

[vital geode]

Supposed to be to a degree

[thin girder]

games already over anyway

[thin girder]

im not a god at this gan

[vital geode]

You just need to standardize everything

[thin girder]

game

i started recently

[vital geode]

Well your problem is you are stretching multiple armies over wide areas

Instead of using a field marshal to distribute troops better

[rapid urchin]

done

[thin girder]

well

[rapid urchin]

and what about in italy?

[vital geode]

So when the allies make a breakthrough, they can punch through and ruin your day

[thin girder]

is it also because is tarted franced war in 1940?

[vital geode]

Just hold the Gustav line or any of the other lines they held

[rapid urchin]

gustav line is pretty much broken

[vital geode]

Well, time to make a new defensive line i guess

Good luck

[vital geode]

I usually start my war around historical date

[thin girder]

I started November 1940

[vital geode]

Oh no...

[thin girder]

with poland

atleast

[rapid urchin]

fair point ig

[vital geode]

That is a whole year late

[thin girder]

does that mean they became stronger

[vital geode]

Another year of build up for the allies

[austere roost]

Just follow and recreate what bittersteel does in his Germany guide

[vital geode]

Axis has an early advantage the earlier they declare war, unless it is 1936/37

Beyond 1939, allies catch up

[thin girder]

I see

okay

[crisp mural]

anothergame of lightwork

[vital geode]

So you starting in Nov 1940 gave the allies time to prepare an attack from the netherlands

Attacking in 39 has the Netherlands as neutral

You then attack them and cap them in a few days with no other allied troops in the country

If Netherlands is already in the allies for some reason, it is flat land and should be easily taken

With air support of course

[thin girder]

they werent

but

the moment I declared

they joined

[vital geode]

It is nov 1940, they were in allies via focus tree

[thin girder]

I stalled them doing trades

[vital geode]

So when you declared war on Poland, they joined in with the war

[thin girder]

I think, not sure what stalled it but they werent in

[vital geode]

You wasted pp on that?

It is rigged against Germany

[thin girder]

yea I needed oil and rubber

[vital geode]

Just trade with British malaya

[thin girder]

and sweden joined allies in 1939 for some reason

😭😔

[thin girder]

thats so far

[vital geode]

Interesting

[vital geode]

It's a land route

It takes 0 convoys

[thin girder]

true

[vital geode]

Dutch east indies needs convoys

[thin girder]

I wasnt trading with those

only with nether

[vital geode]

...

Why

Does Netherlands even have rubber?

[thin girder]

pretty sure they did

not much

but

they did

it was enough to help me u til I got my rubber refineries up

[vital geode]

Btw, how many factories did you have on planes

[thin girder]

uhhhh

idk if i did that

probably 4

I didnt rlly focus on planes

they died

so

[vital geode]

Did you have at least 20 on fighters

Well

I see why the air war was lost

[thin girder]

thing is

Im not good to focus on air atm

im lowk js focusing on ground

[vital geode]

You cant really win the ground war easily if you dont have air

It is misery fighting under red air

You never lose if you have green air

In singleplayer and probably MP

[thin girder]

I was running mechs

[vital geode]

Okay, and they just bombed you

[thin girder]

yea

probably

😔

I need to leanr

im focusing too much on templates

[vital geode]

Which you should learn

[thin girder]

yea but lowk im putting too much effort into them

[slate nimbus]

it isnt that complicated, select an air field nearby, assign planes to them and then assign the area they will operate in with their respective missions

[thin girder]

I need to focus more on actual battles

[thin girder]

the names are all in german

😔

idk the differencd

[slate nimbus]

im glad air isnt as complicated to understand as the navy

[slate nimbus]

it usually tells you what type of plane each one is

[thin girder]

Ill look further when im back from eating

[slate nimbus]

of course
air is simpler than you think rlly

[thin girder]

r u able to vc?

[slate nimbus]

no, i dont really vc

[crisp mural]

air is easy

[neat widget]

Yeah air is pretty easy to understand

But it's hard to build

[thin girder]

Join vc if anyone wanna watch/help

Ill be back in a few mjns

mins*

around like 2 minutes til im back

[neat widget]

So what's happening here?

[thin girder]

here gimme 2 mins ill talk

[neat widget]

i see

also having 96 factories in 1938 is not good as germany

[thin girder]

what do i do abt that

is that low

or high

[neat widget]

that's pretty low

[thin girder]

do I build mils

or civs

[neat widget]

soviets get to 96 in early 1938

[neat widget]

which part of the focus tree did you go down

[thin girder]

4 year plan

[neat widget]

4 year plan (recommended) or prioritize economic growth

I see

so yeah you should be mass buliding mils

civs aren't worth your time

[thin girder]

kk

[neat widget]

well you can build one civ so that you get a research slot sooner

but other than that it isn't worth it

[thin girder]

cna yah er me

[neat widget]

Yeah I can hear you

[thin girder]

can ya hear me

[neat widget]

Have you designed a tank?

Production tab

click the highlighted icon

you don't have no step back?

ah i see

you will have to research them in focus tree

in any case, do you have by blood alone or do you just have no-dlc planes?

so you just have cosmetic items?

for germany probably concentrated

in singleplayer you aren't at risk of being bombed

Yeah pretty much

[crisp mural]

@neat widget how do we like preserve division xps

[neat widget]

Try not to convert factories

[crisp mural]

i forgot about that trick

we need to change template

i dont remember exactly how

[neat widget]

turn off equipment, change template, and then re-enable equipment

[crisp mural]

kk

turn off equipment in the template we're changing

or the template we're having?

[neat widget]

You should only go up one conscription law at a time @thin girder

[neat widget]

the one you originally have

[crisp mural]

ok

[neat widget]

Get Halder @thin girder

Raeder's fine to get tbh, but not priority

You should have gotten Messerschmidt btw

Yeah just buy what you need

buy more when you need more

[slate nimbus]

whats the only country that actually benefits from building civs

[crisp mural]

i dont think theres any 💀

[slate nimbus]

GGs

make them be 10 production cost or sumthin

[neat widget]

I have to go btw

[crisp mural]

yo guys

how do we train

to get veterancy

but dont lose equipment

[balmy dawn]

Months ago, Bitt3rsteel did a runthrough for Japan. Is there a list of his National focuses anywhere? I'd like to follow his path

[austere roost]

#ask-for-help-here message

[subtle socket]

good piece of advice

dont follow any sp youtubers focuses unless they're doing some stupid cheese

[left mica]

https://tenor.com/view/true-bro-just-typing-true-true-meme-gif-15468188584529029673

Format ur paragraph!!!

[fair glen]

90286099784698891, need a germany to HJ (December 1936 historical path)

[spring shore]

<@&846894118219022336>

hacked account/bot

[low olive]

what's the difference between Germany's Prioritize economic growth vs the four year plan? one gives more civs but is it worth it especially since you go to war so early +mefo bills are growing fast

[spring shore]

4YP snowballs fast if you know what you are doing, PEG is slower but steadier growth, and no mefo bills to cripple you

[turbid violet]

In the recent open Beta is there anything new in it?

[strange plaza]

is this normal with historical + stalinist path

idk how it happened

can someone tell

[spring shore]

wait holy shit, thats the glitch i had in my germany runs

no idea how it happened, but now WE (yes we) know is repetable

[strange plaza]

prob a very rare easter egg

[spring shore]

whoudnt say so, read the event

could it possibly be the tsarist stalin thing that was never fully implemented?

[marsh trench]

Any tips on how I can hold out germany as belgium? What units I need to train and how many?

[spring shore]

try training smth armored, you can try armor memeing (adding one very high armor tank to your divisions) or space marines?

[marsh trench]

Space marines?

[spring shore]

Same as armor memeing but the tanks arent specked for armor but for AA or AT or whatever you need, just something to boost hardness

[marsh trench]

Do I even have enough industry to be able to build tanks?

[spring shore]

No idea honestly, you are Belgium afterall

im guessing no not really, but maybe a cheap medium tank

[marsh trench]

I dont think ill be able to build tanks.

Should I invest in anti-tank?

[spring shore]

then yeah, im sorry i whoudnt know to help

[spring shore]

no, AI rarely builds Tanks and they are usually pretty bad

try forts along the river and on your major cites

since you have a stupid coward king who surrends as soon as one major (of 3) cities falls

(clearly didnt learn from his old man)

[marsh trench]

got it

[spring shore]

if you are able (you are probably not) try making a land warfare facility and research the stronghold network, basically super forts

[marsh trench]

Tried it once, took too long to build

[spring shore]

yeah, thats why i said probably not

[marsh trench]

When should I start building mills?

[spring shore]

im gonna say mid 38

[marsh trench]

Alr, thanks

[spring shore]

but PLEASE DO NOT trust me, i have no idea how to time this stuff

[marsh trench]

Alr

[pseudo bridge]

Is there any country that's easy to start out as with low risk?

[marsh trench]

To be honest, germany was the easiest country for me when I started.

[low olive]

what qualifies as "know what you're doing"

[pseudo bridge]

although it's risky, no?

[marsh trench]

Nah not rly

[pseudo bridge]

I'm looking for low impact so I can learn

[marsh trench]

So u wanna play as a smaller nation? With not a lot of action?

[pseudo bridge]

yes

[marsh trench]

U can try hungary

[pseudo bridge]

how do i prevent the high tension think in mexico?

[fathom thistle]

Autarky rush

The last focus on that path

Your goal is getting the required resources quickly enough to achieve autarky, Norway and Sweden for tungsten and chromium, france and romania for oil

(France oil as in from its puppets)

[tough wedge]

Play as Greece with DLC, without DLC, go for a nation like the British Raj, cuz of the manpower pool

Or Hungary can also work

[hoary glen]

Don't commit to either extremes of the church descions before you Hit like 65% stab and deal with the general via focus in time

[hoary glen]

Mid 37 the latest. Just some infra and then mils from the get go also works with 90% of the nations

Only exception is Soviets on hist. You can wait a bit more there

[bold canopy]

guys i dont understand that? how do i reached that as arhcivied?

because upgading army is useless right?

[hoary glen]

What exactly is your question?

[crisp mural]

its the your army is 15x biger than the austrian army

[low olive]

what's the best air doctrine?

[sour mountain]

MIght just be cooked

[crisp mural]

guys is MTD worth it?
it pretty much have nearly 1/2 IC than HTD
but have 2/3 of their stats
and less terrain debuff

[hazy quiver]

good mod that not so popular?

[crisp mural]

HMM

its not that popular

and MSB

[pseudo bridge]

How do I prevent this?

[red mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-8662632631608934966

[pseudo bridge]

i can't find the options to do either

[red mesa]

open the focus tree

[wanton solar]

Help

on hoi4 I get to moscow then I lose everytime

I dont know what I am doing wrong

and even when I take Leningrad, Moscow, and Stalingrad they push me back and Allies take France

is this game impossible

[red mesa]

assuming you are talking about germany, you need to cross the urals to cap the soviets

[wanton solar]

what if I use collaberation government

[wanton solar]

and plus I have to keep most of my army on coasltine in france and benelux so I dont get taken by allies

so I can only get moscow, leningrad, and stalingrad

[red mesa]

one collab you only need to get to the archangelsk-astrakhan line, full collab you only need to take the biggest cities west of the volga

[wanton solar]

ok when do I do collabs

I will start new game

because ussr and allies killed me

[red mesa]

doesn't matter, just do it before war

[wanton solar]

wait why what happen if I ddo it during war

does it weaken

[red mesa]

allies are no big deal if you do sealion in 1940

[wanton solar]

do sealion just stop them or is it to invade britian

I never done sealion before

[red mesa]

no. But you don't get the compliance benefit strait away

[pseudo bridge]

which one is it?

[red mesa]

sealion is invading britain. Ideally before the us joins so the war is over entirely

[wanton solar]

so I invade britian before ussr?!?

Invading ussr is way easier than taking britian

[red mesa]

one of the two referenced in the decision, use your eyes

[red mesa]

lol

[wanton solar]

I can take USSR but britian is so hard

I lost 700,000 troops on britian I Just gave up on that game

[pseudo bridge]

found it. thanks

[dusky heart]

Am i able to force a nation to surrender by bombing the hell out of them?

[red mesa]

no

[dusky heart]

aw :[