ask-for-help-here

[gusty hinge]

no need to build navy

or take the navys of people

[neat widget]

guys, this guy is serious. your naval dominance is determined in part by how much manpower are on your ships

this is why battleships get better dominance per ic than destroyers

[olive sierra]

i’d genuinley turn the game off than research naval bombers

ruins the fun in navy too 😞

[neat widget]

do you have by blood alone

[olive sierra]

nope, la resistance, AAT and NSB

[neat widget]

ah i see

[olive sierra]

does bba add more navy stuff?

[neat widget]

good set of dlcs

no bba adds air stuff

[olive sierra]

ohhh

[fathom thistle]

you already have navy stuff in base game

[gusty hinge]

i don't think the guy wants to have fun

[fathom thistle]

they made it free

kind off

[neat widget]

it's really the last of the major game-changing dlcs after the ones you have

[olive sierra]

Got on sale

Best investment

[neat widget]

gotterdammerung and no compromise no surrender don't add as many game mechanics

[vital plinth]

Is Germany battleships old chassis is that why I can’t put better guns etc ?

And not the basic heavry ship or early heavry ship chassis

[olive sierra]

Didn’t we get gotterdammerung for free?

[gusty hinge]

i think you can't refit if its someones else navy you took

sorry for earlier

[errant chasm]

no

[errant chasm]

The only dlcs we got for free were together for victory, death or dishonor, waking the tiger, and man the guns.

[keen hemlock]

• the poland one too

[obtuse anchor]

No

SOME german götterdammerung focuses were added to vanila as to replace the old outdated tree

Ncns barely adds anything, just makes the navy a bit harder to understand

[slate nimbus]

as if it wasnt already a bit of a headache to make work

[obtuse anchor]

And graveyard of empires only adds focuses which nobody asked for

Before 2022, dlcs used to be made with actual good ideas, actual gameplay changes

Not whatever this filler shit is

[slate nimbus]

if they just adding focus trees atp just download em from the workshop

[scenic nacelle]

german historical

actually everything germany related except alt hist tree

[vital plinth]

Im fighting Italy as France don’t have much mountainairs yet but I can’t push them at the border of France Italy what should I do ?

[obtuse anchor]

Yeah

[neat widget]

get mroe mountaineers

and perhaps more cas

[glass panther]

The production speed of this game is relatively slow. I can understand if there’re balancing that has to be done, but it appears to not be the case.

No through testing, no balancing, creating random minor metas

[slate nimbus]

i wonder how the QA testing for this games done

[glass panther]

IMHO, China, Finland, India are amongst the worst.

Communist China have way too much positive modifiers on militia. India have a huge amount of ahistorical cores, and Finland having wayyyy too muchhhh positive modifiers

[opaque zealot]

GOOD TANK DIVISIONS??

[glass panther]

Mate, your organization…

[opaque zealot]

ALRIGHT SO TAKE 2 ARTILLERY OFF??

[glass panther]

Aim for at least 30

[opaque zealot]

i cant gng

[glass panther]

And you don’t need that signal company, nor most of that support company

[opaque zealot]

i cant keep sacrificing artillery

[glass panther]

Too much width

Keep it below 36 unless you intend to use it on certain terrain.

[opaque zealot]

can i keep it like this??

[keen hemlock]

get assualt engineers

[glass panther]

I’d say add one more mechanized infantry, replace signal company with engineer company and logistic company

You don’t need that helicopter stuff

[keen hemlock]

^

[glass panther]

Throw another support artillery in there and you should be fine

Also why full on self propelled artilleries

[opaque zealot]

like this??

[opaque zealot]

idk what else can i put

i think it wont be better

with something else

[glass panther]

Replace the helicopter companies on the bottom with support artillery and logistic company

[glass panther]

Tank destroyers with self propelled artillery sounds better

[opaque zealot]

the transport helicopter

is better than the

normal logistic company

[fathom thistle]

do 9/9 or 10/8

but keep org around 30

[neat widget]

only if you don't have no compromise no surrender

[opaque zealot]

shit i dont have it\

so good

[glass panther]

At least replace the helicopter signal company with a support artillery

Take a screenshot then.

[opaque zealot]

yes just replaced the medic helicopter for it

[glass panther]

Reliability is on the low side, I’d keep it around 80%

[opaque zealot]

nah no need

70% is good

[glass panther]

You don’t need that much speed, your regiment can’t go that fast

[neat widget]

is this for multiplayer?

[opaque zealot]

single player

but cc told me to get tank destroyers

idk why

do i get them or no??

[neat widget]

tank destroyers are a multiplayer thing typically

[opaque zealot]

alright

[glass panther]

Afaik AIs now puts a lot more mechanized and armored into their template

As part of the update I believe

[opaque zealot]

do i stay with this now??

[glass panther]

Yeah this feels reasonably sane

[neat widget]

it doesn't?

missing assault engineers for one

[loud matrix]

based latvia player

[eternal grove]

Hello guys

[neat widget]

@thin girder what dlcs do you have btw

and why are you producing so much artillery

[tight coral]

does anyone know how to win against sheeps mod in the benelux

[neat widget]

Kill the Netherlands in like February 1940 and then steamroll Belgium in case they join the Allies

[tight coral]

yeah but any like template i've tried but they make a wall and it's impossible to push lol

[sand ember]

You should declare on Netherlands and kill them without declaring on Belgium

Unless they changed it so all join the war at once

I haven’t played it in a while idk

[neat widget]

what are your templates like

[thin girder]

uhhh these

why?

[neat widget]

okay so basically nothing

dlcs influence division design

in any case try to eventually get to like 21/0 for your infantry

[tight coral]

iirc tanks with high velocity radio heavy machine guns and armor skirts and armor spam and we used 9/0 infantry with marines 36 width

it was a mp campaign btw

[neat widget]

mp campaign?

was your opponent france?

[tight coral]

no what i meant we were using sheeps and we all were in axis

[neat widget]

also divisional template?

[tight coral]

i don't remember but probably it was 10 tanks 8 mech i'm just asking a template we can use to push through benelux

[neat widget]

what dlcs do you have btw

[neat widget]

and also which countries were your allies playing

[tight coral]

uh

romania germany italy japan hungary

[neat widget]

I think have Italy focus on air, you as Germany focus on tanks, and romania and hungary focus on infantry (probably 9 mech 10 tank with medium flame tank, assault engineers, logistics, light tank recon, and hospitals)

[odd canopy]

What is the PNM? I don't have it.

[keen hemlock]

non alligned party

[thin girder]

so i cant get mechs?

[neat widget]

you can get mechs?

mechs are in base game

but say, recon rangers aren't

and units like logistics companies and special forces get buffs in dlcs

[autumn steppe]

hey guys, Ive played many games and honestly think Im doing good with Germany, but everytime I get stuck at naval invading UK. does any of you have a tech ?

[neat widget]

what dlcs do you have

[autumn steppe]

um battle for the bosporus, la resistance death or dishonor together for victory and waking the tiger

[fleet rivet]

U need BBA, MTG, and NSB

Literally the most important dlcs

By Blood Alone, Man the Guns, and No Step Back

[red mesa]

Mtg is now base game

[neat widget]

yeah

[keen hemlock]

When should I use pioneers over base engineers

[lunar notch]

iirc on marshes, amphibious areas and maybe jungles

they already show their bonuses on specific terrain types

[fleet rivet]

Since when did it become base game

[keen hemlock]

ncns iirc

[fleet rivet]

Ncns is a dlc

That doesn't have naval designer in it

[keen hemlock]

yeah but mtg has been base game

since ncns released

iidc

[slate nimbus]

yeah MtG is now base game, i know cus i didnt buy any but it says i have it

[gloomy vector]

anyone know the kr meta?

[neat widget]

since november 20

[neat widget]

by the way the jungles bit is if you went left on the first node of the marines doctrine tree

[errant chasm]

hello liv, hello casey

anyone know why a few states aren't getting 100 percent compliance i annexed the warlords first then China?

[glacial steeple]

skip turn

[errant chasm]

still ends up the same i did skip, annex warlords + mengkuko + communist china then skip then annex china. But the states i shown are still not 100 percent compliance. At this point I think i will just give it up and call it a bug.

[glacial steeple]

i think u just annex china?

all states

in a turn

i forgot tho and am not playing hoi for a bit

cute vid up above tho

[neat widget]

huh, how odd

were these the provinces you were occupying before hebei-chahar and shandong surrendered?

[errant chasm]

probably yeah but they were transfered ownership to china despite me occupying them

This was a previous practice game I had it was a southern state that didn't get compliance

strangely in this practice session Sinkiang never joined the Chinese United Front so I had to declare war on them manually before I capped china. Also Mengjiang delayed joining too until later so I just mircoed them to cap them so they didn't breach the Mengjiang-Manchurian border during my practice games.

[fleet rivet]

damn im blind then

[gusty loom]

Can anyone help me out, I always feel like I'm out of materials or losing all of my battles.

[lunar notch]

what do you need

[gusty loom]

I think I need to understand how production works and managing my recources better

[lunar notch]

it is quite simple. you need resources to produce some equipments. if you do not have enough resources, this will significantly reduce your effectivenes, therefore how much equipment you produce

for example, lets say you have 20 steel and produce 100 tanks in a month

if you have less than 20 steel, this will reduce how many tanks you produce in a month

for example, 18 steel means 90 tanks, 15 means 60 tanks etc.

these are not real numbers, i made them up

[gusty loom]

understood and how do I make sure I have the supplies needed?

[lunar notch]

if you dont have enough resources, an icon on your bar will let you know

you can use trade tab to import resources from other nations

but be careful, you CANNOT trade with nations you are at war

nations might embargo you to prevent you from trading

nations might attack your trade convoys to prevent you from receiving traded resources

[gusty loom]

Is there a downside with trading? Like do I have to give up anything?

[lunar notch]

nation you are trading with takes one civilian factory for 8 units of resource

you take your factory back if you cancel the trade

basically you trade a factory for 8 resources

[gusty loom]

do I get the factory back or is it gone forever and I have to build another one to replace it

[lunar notch]

you get the factory back at any point if you cancel the trade

its only gone as long as you keep trading

its still there but not usable

[gusty loom]

so it will just keep auto trading as long as I dont cancel it?

[lunar notch]

yes

if you see a resource in yellow numbers, this means you have enough of it and you can stop trading

if you see it in red numbers, this means you dont have enough and you must trade

if you see it in green, everything is fine

[gusty loom]

Okay I think I understand it now thank you for the help

[blissful depot]

is this a good unit for 1939?

[sand ember]

post the tank design
anyways stats look a little low

and you should really use all your support company slots

[keen hemlock]

spgs> tanks

more soft attack

[crimson heron]

I just had a couple questions. I’m new so please don’t get mad if my questions are stupid.

1. How do I manage my resources? It says I have deficiencies but I have no idea how to fix them so I usually just leave them alone even though the big red button is on the top of my screen.
2. How do I build the best template? Or what is the current meta that I should use?
3. How in the hell does the navy work and how do I keep supply of oil and energy high?
4. What are the best nations in the game to learn to play the game with, I have primarily played minors because I don’t want to get steamrolled by Poland as Germany.

[sand ember]

1. You use the trade screen to buy more resources. One civilian factory for 8 of that resource is the usually rate. Check your production tab, missing resources gives you a debuff to whatever production uses those resources and doesn’t have them
2. The pins in this channel have some general template advice
3. Too complicated to answer in a single message but generally just keep all your ships in one big deathstack (no submarines cause they slow it down) and use it to beat the ai fleets since they divide theirs. You shouldn’t be patrolling with like 100 ships for a long period of time because it destroys your fuel.
4. I’d recommend Germany and France until you get good at both

[crimson heron]

Ok thank you, for trading I just thought that over reliance on trade can hurt you when the big war starts but I’ll make sure to use it more often.

[sand ember]

I mean you don’t want to be trading away massive amounts of factory on trade. If you’re playing as a nation with zero rubber and aluminum for example consider not deciding to put all of your industry on an air force

[crimson heron]

Ohhhh so play to your countries strengths? I guess I never considered that for any of my runs. I usually just assume you want a lot of infantry and air force.

[unreal abyss]

im the opposite i put everything in tanks and navy and then run out of fuel and loose instantly 😭

[crimson heron]

Yeah man this game is very confusing. Watching videos doesn’t even really help, I’ve just decided that making a ton of infantry and trying to gain air superiority is the best strat cause it helps frontline pushing.

[unreal abyss]

fr

the only person ik thats good at the game everytime they try to coach me they yell at me cos i dont know how to do certain stuff and ask for help

[crimson heron]

That sucks. This game truly is one of those games where you are going to fail a ton before you succeed.

You have to accept getting stomped in a couple campaigns before you actually grasp the mechanics of the game.

[unreal abyss]

yeah

i just triad checoslovakia and got bodied by germany and italy

[lunar notch]

experience is the best teacher

[unreal abyss]

i beg to differ

[lunar notch]

aight

[unreal abyss]

haoi4 has zero tutorials i have 130 hrs and i only learned u could but these in ur divs a few days ago because the game doesnt teach u anything and if i didnt have a freind to tell me this existed i prolly wouldnt have realised

[lunar notch]

well tutorial is indeed weak

but it would be practically impossible to teach everything in a tutorial

because they are endless

and thats why hoi4 tutorials on yt are over a hour

[proud parcel]

how do i make it so my army doesnt get mogged by france

[lunar notch]

you picked a bad terrain to fight

area has a lot of mountains so panzers and irregular infantry will have a hard time

train some mountaineers and reinforce them with special forces doctrine

[proud parcel]

oh i see, i’ve never made anything other than normal troops. i’ll try that

how do i add more special forces cap, wont let me train them

[vital geode]

Make your infantry 18 width. Italy starts with 12 width infantry. All you need is to add 3 infantry battalions and some support companies

[proud parcel]

this is my troops rn

[lunar notch]

a little too large

[vital geode]

I've seen worse

Should be good enough

I do suggest getting support AA

That will do wonders

[proud parcel]

i’ll try to get that asap, i’m out of military points

[keen hemlock]

Never heard military points

[proud parcel]

army experience

idk the correct terms

[lunar notch]

green stars

[last arch]

your combat width is most important

all of those tiny units that have like 4 battalions in them are worthless and should just be used to port garisson

a simple army of 24 18w's will hold against france, if you want to push you'll want mountaineers and/or air + better infantry

[last arch]

get rid of 2 infantry battalions, otherwise it's a little too large to properly stack

[keen hemlock]

Nah that’s just the weirdest way I’ve heard it said

[proud parcel]

alright this is the squad now

we are at war!

[native gorge]

I just naval invaded Marseille after 6 months of just bashing my troops in Savoy

[proud parcel]

i lost all 60 submarines in like 1 month of the war, but france surrender so

good job germany

[sand ember]

Did you put them in the channel

It’s a shallow sea

You shouldn’t put them there cause they get found really easily

Instead split them into smaller groups and send them into the deep ocean

[proud parcel]

i just put everything in the mediterranean

didn’t know the shallowness was a thing

[sand ember]

Oh are you Italy

[proud parcel]

yeah

[sand ember]

Yeah look at the bottom left

When you select an ocean tile

It tells you the depth

Try not to go into shallow areas with submarines cause they get a debuff

[proud parcel]

oh crazy

nah it’s all ocean around me tho luckily

[wheat moss]

Even tho i have 800 hours in HoI4, i suck ass at it. Is it just me, like am i just bad?

I know how to play, like i know the basics, but i suck at making divisions. Can anyone help me with divisions and shi?

[proud parcel]

yo holy dopamine rush

[wheat moss]

Nice

[vital geode]

Peak

[devout quartz]

I feel like this probably gets said here all the time but I wanna try playing multiplayer but I'm also like big noob, I understand basic mechanics and stuff but I can tell I'm not rlly good at prioritizing the right things, I just don't wanna be throwing ppls games

any knowers on how not be a generational thrower?

[wicked oasis]

Hey what's up. Guys what best ways for Poland with all dlc ?

[devout quartz]

real

[austere roost]

When you play historical ussr can you get 120 36w SPG divisions before barb? That's the baseline for competitive MP. However most MP games are for fun and not for figuring out stuff using spreadsheets

[devout quartz]

i had a friend tell me ussr was rlly hard in mp if you don't have co-op is that real?

i also don't know what spg is (I have like 200 hours)

[austere roost]

Self propelled guns

I mean ussr is just trying to hold the river line

And investing everything in your TDs

[devout quartz]

that makes sense, I also feel ike I'm gonna get overwhelmed if I can't pause frequently like I do when I play singleplayer

[austere roost]

Well that's just part of mp

[devout quartz]

true and real

will come with time methinks

[austere roost]

Also just practice your strat in sp

So you don't make mistakes

[devout quartz]

Like having a specific build before I go into the game that makes sense

[austere roost]

Like if you play ussr you need to know when you can declare war, when to research 1938 med + 1939 anti tank + 1939 maintenance and such

[devout quartz]

So you don't think starting on a minor so I have less game impact is better?

[austere roost]

There are newbie friendly MP rooms

But like you should at least be able to beat allies + ussr as Germany or take out Germany no sweat as USSR

[magic finch]

im saw this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_dXGnCGHFs&t=255s
why ppl say this templates dont work?

[devout quartz]

perfect thats an easy baseline to measure thanks

[cold garnet]

where do people say so?

[magic finch]

i have friends say this templates are shit and dont work

idk why

[devout quartz]

ok uno mass question do i need all the dlcs?

[ashen marten]

Is the Race for Germany achievment bugged? i was able to conquer germany after france fell and i made sure the allies never took a core but the achievment didnt fire for some reason

[wheat moss]

Fym real?

[devout quartz]

no matter how much i play i am still ass

[wheat moss]

Damn, same

[devout quartz]

fr fr

[red dragon]

how do I get better at this game

i lost to the polish peasant union

[cold garnet]

Well yeah people can say whatever

Anything related to meta is controversial anyway

Theres like one trillion things that can work

[dusty sandal]

Read the tooltip
Don't know what something does ? Read about it
See a red icon ? Should read why it's there
A notification perhaps ? Read what it warns you about

[dusty sandal]

He has some minor mistakes here and there but nothing that poses any real issue.

These templates are indeed very good,your friends are wrong

[devout quartz]

question chat, does modifying planes with like different guns and stuff come with a dlc?

I just possess the base game

[dusty sandal]

It's by blood alone dlc feature

[devout quartz]

understoodable

[dusty sandal]

Without it you can just stay up to date on your models and you'll be fine

BBA makes the game much easier since AI doesn't know how to design planes

[devout quartz]

damn

i wanna get the dlcs but there is so many I don't even know what I should be buying and what I shouldn't

plus they are not the cheapest

[dusty sandal]

Arms against tyranny and No step back are best

Then it comes to personal preferences

[devout quartz]

yes sir 🫡

[dusty sandal]

I'd say la resistance, gottamerung and trial of allegiance are fine

By Blood alone and No compromise are very much underwhelming

Graveyard and Battle for bosphorus are mediocre at best

[devout quartz]

if i play mp is it expected I have em all or?

[sick ginkgo]

i tried submarines with naval bombers and still couldnt do sea lion

should i build destroyers instead?

[echo void]

I easily take over all the allies with germany but I fail everytime with the UK can someone help me ?

[inner sparrow]

only hosts needs to have all

[devout quartz]

oh does it apply to everyone in the game?

[sick ginkgo]

how a good battleship design looks like?

[jagged cargo]

naval invasions

or airdroping

literally, just attack and seize the ports then kill them

[red mesa]

Subs are not for naval invasions and will get annihilated in shallow seas like the english channel

[sick ginkgo]

oh

what about destroyers?

[sick ginkgo]

What’s a cost of the light cruiser?

Idk but they cost 5-6k for me

[red mesa]

I normally just add slight upgrades to the Leipzig class and spam that. You need the screening to allow your air and capitals to work, need the AA to counter the carriers, and light attack to chew through their screens so the torpedoes can hit the capitals

[left mica]

just use light cruisers or torp dds

hoi4 navy is so washed

https://www.reddit.com/r/HOI4memes/s/GhV9NiI2jW

[uncut narwhal]

torpedo dds bro

[left mica]

yeah that too

[indigo sapphire]

should i produce between 78 to 87 ships or more?

or just keep building em infinitetly?

[uncut narwhal]

more is always better

[indigo sapphire]

alr

as germany i build ALL Ships

[uncut narwhal]

just light cruisers with hella light attack and torpedo destroyers i think

[indigo sapphire]

alr

i do like the panzer ship and pre dreadnought

[uncut narwhal]

yea dont do them

[indigo sapphire]

IF im desperate

[sick ginkgo]

oh

i should produce both?

what about capital ships?

[uncut narwhal]

dont produce them

rather steal them

[sick ginkgo]

uhh

germany doesnt have any wars with majors if you go historical before britain

so

[uncut narwhal]

yea you steal the UKs navy

[sick ginkgo]

but you first need to invade the uk

dont you?

[uncut narwhal]

yea

spam

light cruisers and dds

with torpedos

[sick ginkgo]

do i need capital ships to invade uk?

[uncut narwhal]

germany has enough

get cas

[sick ginkgo]

can you give me design for torpedo dds?

[uncut narwhal]

just get as many torpedos as you can

[sick ginkgo]

i have one for light cruisers

[uncut narwhal]

dds work very well

[sick ginkgo]

wait what ship (hull yk) i need for torpedo dds?

[uncut narwhal]

destroyers

[sick ginkgo]

i play hoi4 on Russian so i dont know

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

well i had an issue

lemme send it rq

i cant put torpedo in that one slot

is it fine?

this is what i run as torpedo dds

[uncut narwhal]

what can you put in the first top slot

[sick ginkgo]

quick shooting gun

battery

anti air

[uncut narwhal]

ig its fine to leave it empty

or add a light battery

[left mica]

just put in your best light guns bro

[uncut narwhal]

not sure whats best

[left mica]

why are you even leaving it empty

[sick ginkgo]

oh wait i can put anti submarine stuff

[left mica]

its only like

200ic

yeah that works too ig

[sick ginkgo]

the deep water bombs (iim trying my best to translate)

[left mica]

depth charges

[sick ginkgo]

should i use light batter or depth charges?

[left mica]

hum

depth charges

try to get better light hulls and weapons

[sick ginkgo]

okay, thanks

[left mica]

and fire control

[sick ginkgo]

also around what amount of dockyards i lowk need

[left mica]

50+

[uncut narwhal]

25 can be enough lwk

[sick ginkgo]

1940 hull and 3rd tier stuff like torpedos and batteries

[left mica]

and 1944

no need to rush ahead of time though

1940 is more than enough

[uncut narwhal]

you dont need to get tech to damage the UK fleet

[sick ginkgo]

if i build 30 dockyards as germany, do i need naval bombers?

[uncut narwhal]

just use cas

on naval strike

like 2k

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

[uncut narwhal]

more cas is always better

[sick ginkgo]

uhh i think i can get 2k cas only if i include the 1936 tech cas

[uncut narwhal]

just rush improved airframe

[sick ginkgo]

do i even build civs actually

[uncut narwhal]

no

not as germany

[uncut narwhal]

why only 2k?

you can put more mils on it

like 30 at least

[sick ginkgo]

i have 25 usually

[uncut narwhal]

if you rush the tech

and start producing

in like late 38

your good with like 30

to get a good amount

[sick ginkgo]

bro playing as germany seems like ignoring the production researches ignoring civs and just focusing on army

[uncut narwhal]

production research?

wdym ignore???

[left mica]

who cares about production cap

its a trash tech

[sly charm]

hi guys do you know a mod or a setting for make my game run better for optimize pls

[sick ginkgo]

Like bro

I think I can’t get all the navy air and tank techs alongside the production

[sly charm]

production cap are good wdym

[left mica]

yeah just ignore production techs

[left mica]

nah let me cook

im saying that for a reason

iykyk

[uncut narwhal]

all you need is inter war chassis and the gun/arty tech, rush air and get production techs

[sly charm]

sorry goat

[left mica]

um

try BM optimisation

[sly charm]

aura

[sick ginkgo]

dont i need 1938 or 1940 medium tank?

[left mica]

better mechanics

[uncut narwhal]

pretty sure that mod is broken

[left mica]

and SOO optimisation

let me ask amine

[uncut narwhal]

interwar chassis works fine

[sly charm]

whats that ? mod or setting

[left mica]

mod

[sick ginkgo]

sounds wild but im gonna try

[uncut narwhal]

dont fight in bad supply or rush into montains

[sly charm]

thanks brother

[uncut narwhal]

and your fine

[sick ginkgo]

i always tried to get the 1941 arty tech for better gun for spgs

[sly charm]

can i play online with it or i need to disable it

[uncut narwhal]

the 39 howitzer is good enough

[sick ginkgo]

and i always wondered

[uncut narwhal]

a design like this works fine

[sick ginkgo]

i saw britain does kind of deathstacks in 1938 already

[sick ginkgo]

51% reliability

[uncut narwhal]

only matters when you attrition

which you dont want

[sick ginkgo]

id rather get the 10% reliability thing than soft attack

[uncut narwhal]

to

with tanks

[uncut narwhal]

wrong

just dont attrition

and fight in bad supply in general

just bad

[sly charm]

look pretty good to me

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

[sly charm]

can someone give me their exemple of template im so bad making it

[static turret]

template of what tank?

[left mica]

use the same design but with basic med hull, howi 2, radio 3, easy maintenance (maintenance comp 2 tech), 1 secondary cannon and probably wet ammo

[sly charm]

all, infantry etc etc

[uncut narwhal]

why wait for basic and you dont need relia

[left mica]

same speed and max armour tick

assuming you alr have basic hull available

[sly charm]

thank you

[left mica]

otherwise yeah just use iw

[sly charm]

and for kill tank

?

[uncut narwhal]

for mp you want heavy tds

[sly charm]

tds ? im so bad english speaker bro sorry

[uncut narwhal]

in multiplayer you want heavy tank destroyers

[sly charm]

yes i want make a lot of damage for win please

[sick ginkgo]

uhh id run the thing he sent me

[dusty sandal]

tank destroyers are a tank variant (designation in the tank designer)

[left mica]

tank destroyers destroy tanks

[dusty sandal]

this is a regular tank

[sick ginkgo]

we are talking about sp

[dusty sandal]

this is a Tank Destroyer (TD)

[sly charm]

are you french ?

[sly charm]

okay thank

je étudie le francais @dusty sandal

[dusty sandal]

good luck ! It isn't easy, especially with some of the grammar, even for native speakers

[left mica]

french people as masters at gatekeeping their language, or so i was told

[sly charm]

yes as a russian french is so hard...

[dusty sandal]

you have double the difficulty because of the alphabet change as well

[sick ginkgo]

should i do focus on the prussian legacy or new tank doctrine for germany?

[sly charm]

oui monami

[uncut narwhal]

are you doing tanks or inf?

[sick ginkgo]

русский тоже не прост

[sick ginkgo]

little amount of tanks

[dusty sandal]

it is kinda true
and it gets worse with each variant from locals and region that has its own expressions

[sick ginkgo]

mostly infranty

[uncut narwhal]

are you gonna push with tanks or inf?

[sick ginkgo]

tanks

[left mica]

interesting

which is kinda unfortunate

[dusty sandal]

both are fine, prussian legacy is very powerful if you do inf only, but isn't really bad if you do tanks either because you don't get much appart from doctrines and techs from the panzer side

[uncut narwhal]

id say go with the tank focuses

get some nice buffs ig

[sick ginkgo]

uh 4 year plan or the other thing?

[sly charm]

if you want rommel as a general you need to adopt panzer ?

[sick ginkgo]

okay, thanks

[sick ginkgo]

yes

[sly charm]

personnaly i take the other one

there is more bonus

[dusty sandal]

if you want a viable comparison, think of english in Ireland
go 50km west and you may not get the same way of talking than where you were
although in Ireland it is way more extreme, in france it's basically a North-South and East-West divide (with "normal" french in the middle along Paris, the Loire valley and the Seine)

[sly charm]

i live in paris right now for my study i visited marseille, this is crazy how you guys can understand eachother

[left mica]

@uncut narwhal bm optimisation still works

[dusty sandal]

you going for historical playthrough ? 4year plan is best but PEG is more noob-friendly
you going for ahist paths ? Always pick PEG or do the MEFO-Cancel strat

[left mica]

yeah i can imagine. same situation in vietnam here

[sick ginkgo]

im more of a noob

[left mica]

central vietnamese is unintelligible to the rest of the country

[uncut narwhal]

i used it a while back and it broke some chinese focuses and made my game crash

[dusty sandal]

then pick PEG and be mindful when reading the focus conditions

[left mica]

hum try that again then

[sick ginkgo]

okay, thanks

[dusty sandal]

(you will be weaker at the start and middle of the war but you'll pick up some real momentum by mid 1941)

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

i dont like 4 year plan bc i always had no civs left at the end of the war

[indigo sapphire]

how many ships should i build as Germany

[inner sparrow]

4yp is only best if u can cap uk and so on

if not and if done right peg is more ic output at barb

[indigo sapphire]

@dusty sandal

[dusty sandal]

you can achieve autarky without killing the UK tbf

you don't even need to kill the sov either if you invade romania

[inner sparrow]

yeah ofc but thats in theory ahist

[dusty sandal]

as many as you want/need
build good ships

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[inner sparrow]

4yp is just better in sp bc u can do what u want

[dusty sandal]

paradox give me back my focus to puppet hungary and rom !

[inner sparrow]

truke

[indigo sapphire]

i do always produce Ships infinetly

[light knoll]

invade them and then puppet them if you wanna larp that badly

having allies is griefing in sp anyways tho

you get so much more value from invading hun rom and italy than them as allies

[sick ginkgo]

how do i assign naval missions?

[inner sparrow]

ofc

anything controlled by ai is useless

[sick ginkgo]

ive built a few light cruisers and torpedo dds

[thin axle]

has anyone got the Battle Royale achivement? I think its bugged or something ive done it like 3 times now and its still not popped

[sick ginkgo]

hey

my whole fleet is usually on repair

but i dont want my ships drowned

what can i do? (i have them all in 1 task force, 65 ships, some are light cruisers and some are torpedo dds

[sick ginkgo]

yay

i did sealion

ehm

[echo void]

can anyone send me a strong air force build to destroy the uk ?

[sick ginkgo]

why oman became a major

[echo night]

I know this isnt meta or practical at all but if I made a plane that has both fighter and naval bomber capabilities for fun, how would it behave in a naval battle? Would it only do fighter stuff or use the torps it has

[echo night]

Try toggling minors in the war screen

If you turn on minors again and its still there good luck mate

[sick ginkgo]

ggs

war screen doesnt open

[echo void]

can anyone send me a strong air force build to destroy the uk ?

[sick ginkgo]

uh

i have one more question

if there are no majors and yet allience does not capitulate

what am i doing wrong

[spring shore]

is it even possible to build a navy to rival the UK as germany?

[echo night]

Bug

[sick ginkgo]

uhh

[spring shore]

you can check in the war screen if there are any majors left

[echo night]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-nothing-we-can-do-gif-15878626962415498830

[sick ginkgo]

nooooo

[echo night]

Just try saving close game

Reopen and then see if it works

[sick ginkgo]

i tried it alr

[echo night]

Wait send your war screen

[sick ginkgo]

some nations randomly capitulate

thats all from allies who are left

[echo night]

Toggle minors

[sick ginkgo]

if i capture them they capitulate one by one

[echo night]

What in the world

[sick ginkgo]

i dont want to go into india man

[echo night]

I have no clue man

Im sorry

[sick ginkgo]

no problem

its just a game glitch

wait

i wanna try 1 thing

if a major joins the faction and capitulates

would the other stuff capitulate or will it stay bugged

[echo night]

One you could TRY is to go to france open click any southern province, open octtania and then it takes you to diplo screen. From there you can click the majors button to see if someone in the faction is actually a major

[subtle socket]

it happens bc of 2 bugs actually

sometimes when u declare on a major the button to auto call everyone in or vice versa doesnt happen so only certain countries join that war and thw capping that major caps only the countries that joined the 2 war

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

none are

gonna get sweden who is a major into war

uh

australia became a major

wait what

in war screen australia is a major

in diplomacy it isnt

it stopped being a major

when i reopened

seems cursed

[hollow jewel]

yo

whats the current navy meta rn for MP

[frank grotto]

Hi is there a mod to prevent 80% of the countries from joining into 1 faction
All of them join the allies in late game

[hollow jewel]

i think thats historical

[frank grotto]

I play on game not historical

[hollow jewel]

idk then

disable factions

or play as one of the allies instead

[frank grotto]

I still want factions in game
But i want them to be limited

[hollow jewel]

idk then sorry

be one of them

be usa

[frank grotto]

You mean sabotage the factions from inside?

[hollow jewel]

no if u cant defeat them be one of them

[frank grotto]

I didn't try it but i think it will be boring just bullying the other axis

[hollow jewel]

wanna play

[sick ginkgo]

So

[frank grotto]

Sorry i don't play multiplayer
My internet is very bad

[sick ginkgo]

as i understand

[hollow jewel]

ok np

[sick ginkgo]

combination of torpedo dds with cls is the best, right?

[hollow jewel]

whats the current navy meta rn for MP

[frank grotto]

I still need to search for a solution

[scenic nacelle]

Torpedo destroyers I’m pretty sure

[hollow jewel]

just that?

[scenic nacelle]

I think so yeah

Make sure to do the torpedo primacy doctrine for screens

[hollow jewel]

someone told me it was heavy cruiser + escort carrier + cheap destroyer

[scenic nacelle]

That could work too

Not many people talk about navy so who knows

[hollow jewel]

also should i make one big death stack in MP

or smaller task forces

[scenic nacelle]

But torpedo destroyers do work quite well in sp

[scenic nacelle]

🤷‍♂️

It wouldn’t hurt

But getting stuck in the med or smth would suck

[hollow jewel]

okok

i will figure it out

[frank grotto]

I think i found it called factions distance limiter

[inner sparrow]

torp dd spam and refit the rest of ur starting navy

[inner sparrow]

deathstack

it also depends on what country u play

[hollow jewel]

ok

will that work for byzantium?

[inner sparrow]

not really unless youre gonna focus heavily in building docs

only real countries that can make navy in mp are the ones that start with high doc count or a big one

or have focuses that give u a lot for navy ic

[sick ginkgo]

cls are important too

[fathom thistle]

cl's doesnt make sense if you already doing dd's

[twin kayak]

how does this work as norway :

how do I get that support

[fathom thistle]

dont you have any new political decisions to make?

[twin kayak]

nothing for now

nvm

it just needed a day to update

my bad

[fathom thistle]

alg

[sick ginkgo]

They made a lot for me

[fathom thistle]

they are fine but they are not worth ic cost wise

dd's and cl's are both schreening ships

[sick ginkgo]

you can deathstack them

[fathom thistle]

making both of them is not efficient

[sick ginkgo]

i tested 1 of my runs

i had 50 dds and 10 cls

when combined, they won the sealion

when only 50 dds, they lost

[fathom thistle]

more efficiently you could use those cl dockyards to build capital ships

[sick ginkgo]

3 battleships aint doing anything

also starter capital ships are enough

[fathom thistle]

not battleships

[sick ginkgo]

i can try build dds with capital ships

[sick ginkgo]

then

can you send a design?

ill try it out to see myself

[fathom thistle]

good

[sick ginkgo]

all dlcs without chezchoslovakia one

peace for our time i think

im gonna play as soviet union if it doesnt affect much

[fathom thistle]

refit the old capital ships with better design, then either you can just stick to buidling dd's or build carriers + heavy cruisers to schreen it. But dd's are sufficient enough

why heavy cruisers? cheaper than battleships to schreen carriers

[sick ginkgo]

i dont have any carriers

[fathom thistle]

like I said you can just refit old capitals and spam torpedo dd's

[sick ginkgo]

is this a fine torpedo dd

[fathom thistle]

torpedo everywhere

[sick ginkgo]

i couldnt put it into the top left slot

it just doesnt let me

[fathom thistle]

idk if you need engine 3 really

[indigo sapphire]

what types of ships should i build/produce?

[fathom thistle]

no idea why sry

try bottom one at least

[fathom thistle]

torpedo dd's

[sick ginkgo]

top left choices

[indigo sapphire]

why

[sick ginkgo]

uhh ive got a question still

[fathom thistle]

they ignore armor basically

[fathom thistle]

hmm?

[sick ginkgo]

50 torpedo dds no capital ships nothing else lost the same battle that 10 cls without anything else won

[fathom thistle]

cl's light attack design right?

[indigo sapphire]

how many Torpedo dds should build produce

[fathom thistle]

not soft I mean light

xD

[sick ginkgo]

in both cases all ships were 1 task force

[fathom thistle]

it works yeah, with dd's you want to have some kind of capital ship for sure, cl's have armor so their survibality is better

[sick ginkgo]

in my run i combined dds with cls

bc i have no capital ship design nor understanding

i have understanding of screening ships and submarines

[fathom thistle]

half on anti air half on batteries basically

later on getting dual purpose batteries which can do both

[indigo sapphire]

@fathom thistle

[fathom thistle]

as many as u can :>

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[sick ginkgo]

which ones i need for capital ships

[sick ginkgo]

ehh that makes me like capital ships even less

like i wanna build them as soon as possible

and yet their tech is gone through cls

and if i wanna refit ones built with heavy batteries its gonna be the cost of 1 cl

just refitting

[fathom thistle]

you split batteries and aa in top row 50/50 until u get them

[sick ginkgo]

do i get battleship or battle cruiser armor

[indigo sapphire]

how good are panzer ships and Pre dreadnoughts?

[sick ginkgo]

uhhh i dont like 11k ic

2 cls

10 torpedo dds

[indigo sapphire]

@fathom thistle

[sick ginkgo]

Gonna try dds with capital ships just for sake of trying

[iron shale]

why am I not getting any naval dominance when my ship are on strike force

[sick ginkgo]

wait

do i need heavy ships to build capital ships?

[fathom thistle]

Like the starting Germany ones? Terrible. You want to refit them

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[sick ginkgo]

as i said i have 0 understanding of capital ships

[fathom thistle]

Strike force by itself doesn't get you dominance. You need to spot the fleet for the strike force to engage. You want to have a taskforce on patrol

[sick ginkgo]

are capital ships built on heavy ship hull?

[fathom thistle]

Heavy cruisers and above are capital ships

Cl's and dd's are scrheening

[uncut narwhal]

only patrol gives dominance now

[sick ginkgo]

so lemme try pls

[iron shale]

ty

[fathom thistle]

Hmm?

[sick ginkgo]

im trying to first make a design

[fathom thistle]

For what now?

[sick ginkgo]

to try to play with capital ships with dds

[sick ginkgo]

i still wonder about that

[fathom thistle]

Again like I said top row 50/50 on batteries and AA. Bottom row just the standard thing you use

[sick ginkgo]

heavy batteries ? im actually very uneducated on capital ships

like total noob

[fathom thistle]

Yes

Putting heavy batteries on cruiser hull will make it heavy cruiser

[sick ginkgo]

and what armor? battleship or battle cruiser

ohh heavy cruisers

mb misunderstood

[fathom thistle]

Cruiser is enough ig

[sick ginkgo]

this should be it right?

replaced all light batteries with heavy batteries

[fathom thistle]

Looks good

Don't forget mio

[thin axle]

light attack is better than heavy

[sick ginkgo]

mio?

[fathom thistle]

We are building a capital ship

Not schreening

[thin axle]

you dont need capitals

[fathom thistle]

The circle icon with plus

[thin axle]

just go 100% LC Ha isnt needed

[sick ginkgo]

what do i choose here?

[fathom thistle]

What choices you got ?

[sick ginkgo]

just screening worked for me but i wanna try capital ships

[thin axle]

capitals are fine if you wanna larp but they are mostly a waste of ic

[fathom thistle]

Maxing out production output on mio is great

[fathom thistle]

Not that

[sick ginkgo]

lowk this ship has almost same ic as cl

i just cant use 10 dockyards but i think its fine

[fathom thistle]

That thing is mio

[sick ginkgo]

oh that thing

[thin axle]

slower to make and slower in combat, CL is meta

[sick ginkgo]

i just couldnt translate it bc ik it on my native language but not english

[stone summit]

God forbid someone have fun in their historical video game

[sick ginkgo]

just spamming cls doesnt work for me

[fathom thistle]

Not so much as torpedo dd's but they are still great

[sick ginkgo]

i spammed cls with dds

[fathom thistle]

Ic cost wise

[twin kayak]

should I give up ? germany will probably take out the soviets, the allies are stupid and I'm in a "weak" nation

[thin axle]

i love navy i even make SHB's capitals are for larping i love it

[gloomy vector]

Is there a specific hull you need to research or just use what you have

[fathom thistle]

For?

[sick ginkgo]

uh im gonna try as soviet union as someone whos day 1 into good navy

[gloomy vector]

Torp dd

[sick ginkgo]

in past i spammed submarines and they failed

[sick ginkgo]

destroyers i think

[fathom thistle]

Just destroyer one

[sick ginkgo]

the top one right

[stone summit]

Wdym “day 1 into good navy”

[fathom thistle]

Cuz they are terrible for patrol.

[gloomy vector]

What about torp techs

And doctrine

[sick ginkgo]

i set them on convoy hunt and they drowned

[sick ginkgo]

ye i wonder about that too

[fathom thistle]

You want air green and have nav bombs preferably before that. Also you usually do convoy raid when your primary taskforce is handling themselves on patrol

[sick ginkgo]

idc about submarines anymore

about air

i just use cas

[fathom thistle]

Just research torpedos wdym?

[sick ginkgo]

someone here told me to use just cas

[gloomy vector]

Is there a specific torp tech you need to reach for dds to be most effective

[fathom thistle]

CAS is great but for naval bombing it's not the best

[gloomy vector]

Or just first tech

[sick ginkgo]

ik

[fathom thistle]

Just keep upgrading it

[sick ginkgo]

naval bombers better but i dont think i can produce fighters cas spgs and naval bombers at the same time

so i gave up on naval bombers

[uncut narwhal]

as germany you can

but navs arent needed

cas is enough

[fathom thistle]

You don't need that much mils on nav bombers

They are pretty cheap too

[sick ginkgo]

how much naval bombers i usually need against allies?

[fathom thistle]

I don't have the exact number. They are not a necessity but having like 2-3 mils on them wouldn't hurt either

[sick ginkgo]

oh

just 2-3?

i thought 15 at least

[fathom thistle]

It adds up. You don't need like 1000 of them lol

[sick ginkgo]

oh okay

gonna try as soviet union

[indigo sapphire]

how many capital and screen ships should i build produce

[sick ginkgo]

do i need the survivability techs?

[indigo sapphire]

@fathom thistle

[vital geode]

As many as you want, though capitals need at least 3 screens to protect them

Carriers also need another capital to protect them along with the 3 screens

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[lyric agate]

can someone help me become confederate US

[fathom thistle]

Make it 1:4 ratio just in case

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[jade tulip]

so Im currently stuck on this position, I cannot attack hungary in any way, do I just wait for their supply to run out or something?

[left mica]

how do you fail to push them

just battle plan a bit more since they have no gun stockpiles

they'll eventually break

put up some cas as well

[uncut narwhal]

get supply

you can prolly get budapest

then you win

[sick ginkgo]

mb for replying to random message

but why universal battery feels worse than heavy battery

[fathom thistle]

The dual purpose one?

It is but it also acts as AA so that's why you would use it

[sick ginkgo]

they are light weapons

would researching better heavy batteries make it much worse ?

[subtle thorn]

what div template should i be focusing on as ethiopa anarchist african union

[drowsy holly]

<@&916727971820240976> hello, im new to hoi4

how do i know how many boats and airplanes to make, and which ones?

also like how much infantry vs tank i should make and whate template

[stone summit]

Lots of airplanes, always. They’re the second most important thing behind just having infantry divisions out in the field

Boats for the most part are a very optional aspect of the game

[tired moon]

what should I do with the navy right now?

like group them all in one port or smth ?

[stone summit]

I personally do a surface fleet and a submarine fleet

As my default at least

Just merge them all together and give them an exercise order go now since you’re not at war

[tired moon]

it says i have fuel

and also out of fuel?

can someone explain

[stone summit]

It’s just a warning that you’re effectively out

If you were to start using a lot like at war

You only have like a month’s worth just based on your max daily consumption

[uncut narwhal]

isnt it reserves being empty?

[stone summit]

Like on your units? Maybe?

[uncut narwhal]

yea

[drowsy holly]

but if you're playing e.g UK or US you need to use navy?

[stone summit]

“Need” is a strong word

As the UK in particular you have the most powerful navy, and you don’t need to build much of anything else. What you start with is plenty

[drowsy holly]

but wont it like die eventually

[drowsy holly]

i mean as US u wanna go into japan or germany usually

[stone summit]

Not without really poor management

[drowsy holly]

oh ok

[drowsy holly]

but like what if u are playing communist sweden u need to defend agianst the UK naval attacks and maybe u want to invade them

[stone summit]

Good luck building a navy that can compete with the UK as Sweden, especially as a beginner

But then again the naval ai is just trash half the time

[drowsy holly]

idk bro I just tried to play communist sweden but I got naval invaded my UK all the time XD

so like i need to solve that

[dusty sandal]

this notification is awfully bad

[tired moon]

i know it is

[dusty sandal]

it's absed on your reserves if you were to use everything at once, it's basically useless

[fathom thistle]

Steal navy from other countries like Germany

[stone summit]

Naval invasions are a little different, if you build submarines you can counter them pretty easily

Just by sending their armies to the bottom of the ocean before they reach shore

[tired moon]

I cant wait to inevitable be forced to fight the allies and then try invading britain for 5 years straight and then give up

[unique tundra]

Hey, I cannot make custom plane designs in tfr pls help

[obsidian sundial]

is nazi germany new player friendly?

[spring shore]

yes, takes a bit of knowlegde, but one of the easiest to understand

[obsidian sundial]

what takes knowledge?

anchluss?

[spring shore]

mostly army templates

[obsidian sundial]

are they any different from other countries army templates?

[drowsy holly]

can anyone give me some good inf & tank division templates for the different eras

[bronze flume]

If i do offer vassalization as qing china do I have to annex the puppets I get via autonomy or are there decisions

[keen hemlock]

i would try to manpower manip italy + you get the navy without taking it in peace deal

if you are able to take all the other nordic navies that would be a good starting point

[drowsy holly]

wdym manpower manip

[keen hemlock]

steal their manpower

because the nordics dont have alot

[drowsy holly]

how do u do that

[keen hemlock]

copy the biggest non special forces/ armor template they have, spam recruit it untill italy runs out of manpower, then annex them and delete all the divs

[drowsy holly]

ok thx btw do u know this ? #ask-for-help-here message

[keen hemlock]

18 width infantry with support aa and arty for defensive divs

as for offensive, you want to aim for 36 width

prolly use rangers/mountianeers as sweeden

and for armoured divs use 10 spgs/ 8 mech

[keen hemlock]

for support companies youd want arty, aa, assualt engineers, med flame tank, hospital

although it really depends on the play thru and what your goal is

[tired moon]

why am i not getting fuel :((

i have many synthetic refineriex

[keen hemlock]

you need more and higher oil tech

you are gaining like 1.9k while you are using 3.2k

[tired moon]

well what am i supposed to do here

i have no time

[keen hemlock]

Prolly air

And pray

[proud parcel]

so do oceans not pop up as green/red depending on control you have anymore? planes still do it, even tho it looks like that changed a bit too

[drowsy holly]

why is naval invasion greyed out

[neat widget]

Yeah, it's blue/red now

[uncut narwhal]

because you selected a field marshal

[proud parcel]

ok i see

[iron shale]

why cant I put my ships in these regions even tho I am in a faction with germany

[gusty hinge]

UK is blocking you

[uncut narwhal]

click the gear for dynamic homebase

[gusty hinge]

with gibraltar

[iron shale]

so should I get gibraltar trough spain

[gusty hinge]

yes

you should also naval invade them

[lofty tusk]

How many divisions is enough to naval invade UK?

[gusty hinge]

try to invade dover and portsmouth and naval invade to the side of them so you can help the naval landing

[olive tapir]

I’m playing as the Soviets just capitulated France how do I get uk I can’t naval invade they’re navy will destroy mine and don’t have that big of an airforce because no rubber do I use pataratroopers in this situation?

[spring shore]

how many mils should i put on fighters to win the battle of britain (germany btw, if it wasnt obvious lol)

[sage orchid]

i still dont know how to naval invade can somebody help

[austere roost]

if you're trading well and you can replace the losses then you hit the sweetspot

[spring shore]

should 50 be enough?

[austere roost]

Idk

That depends on your industry

[uncut narwhal]

do you have bba?

[austere roost]

Are you trading well? Only you can tell

[spring shore]

what bba?

[uncut narwhal]

by blood alone dlc

air designer

[austere roost]

Plane designer dlc

[uncut narwhal]

dlc

[spring shore]

oh, ye

im justt stacking light mgs, best engine and fuel tanks

[austere roost]

Are you following the pin design?

[uncut narwhal]

this design

important to have focke wulf upgraded

to get the range from it

[spring shore]

hmmm, thx bro, i have no idea what im doing when designing planes

[uncut narwhal]

check the pinned messages

[spring shore]

ye, thx man

[sacred patrol]

anyone can give me a cheap good cruises model?

[obsidian badger]

If u want cheap just use dds

[errant chasm]

I think i might have a design

[sacred patrol]

not the cheapest but its italy so

[obsidian badger]

Good cruisers are like dual purpose guns + deprh charges

[errant chasm]

from Red baron

[sacred patrol]

hopefully dlcless italy isnt far behind

[obsidian badger]

meh

i would use armor 1 and slap more guns

or an aa

[agile rivet]

how did they get sudetland