ask-for-help-here

[glacial steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-seal-seal-dance-seal-dancing-seal-seals-gif-17832446272461573261

[fathom thistle]

no like general inf for most countries, 9 infantry with support artillery and anti air

[barren pond]

Ah ok

[fathom thistle]

yes

[barren pond]

Thx

[barren pond]

What does it use ?

Tank production ?

[fathom thistle]

I assume you dont have NSB right?

[barren pond]

If it's dlc prob no

Only the free ones

[trail reef]

what even is the diff

[fathom thistle]

it should be in tank research then

but yeah its in tank production

[barren pond]

there is only light medium heavy

[fathom thistle]

I have hard time remembering where it is without DLC's. Someone else might help

[carmine geode]

does this work?

[neat widget]

typically it's no difference

[neat widget]

and yes that works

[carmine geode]

since I have been using this tank div from bittersteel 😭

[fathom thistle]

I cant recall

[carmine geode]

just that without flame tanks

i dont have them

[fathom thistle]

@neat widget any idea where is spg in base game? I cant recall 😭

[errant chasm]

In the tank research tab

[fathom thistle]

Right?

[trail reef]

is it better to release the german reichskomesars as puppets via the occupation screen or via alfred

[neat widget]

yeah it's a separate research that's on the upper right of your normal tank research

[fathom thistle]

there #ask-for-help-here message

[neat widget]

what year is it btw

[carmine geode]

its before danzing he had 6 div of those tanks mixed with light and heavy

[errant chasm]

The icon that has an explosion on it is the spg

[twin kayak]

why can't I deploy troops in these tiles eve though I annex France ?

[carmine geode]

later on he did all of them only medium

[barren pond]

thx guys

[carmine geode]

aa okey thanks

[fathom thistle]

aint core

[twin kayak]

how do I make them core ?

[glacial steeple]

doesnt matter afaik it just needs to be annexed and connected to capital by land

[carmine geode]

i think focuses or u cant

😭

[neat widget]

yeah your support companies should include logistics and probably either hospitals or armored signals

and then you should try to have mechanized unlocked too

and also make your tanks spgs

[fathom thistle]

ah right

[carmine geode]

oh damn its different

[errant chasm]

Wait he doesnt have nsb. Idk what the base game spgs are like

Shit wrong guy i thought you were talking to hope

[twin kayak]

idk, there's a focus that lets you declare on belgium, but France was guaranteeing them

[carmine geode]

that explosion makes soft attack bigger and reliabilty

[twin kayak]

idk if the game intended that

[carmine geode]

without that explosion on tank its 20 soft attack

[neat widget]

oh

yeah you still probably run spgs i think in non-nsb

[carmine geode]

LOOOKK

found it

[errant chasm]

I was going to say breakthrough but never mind it's irrelevant on a howi tank.

[dusty sandal]

light SPGs are basically the same as mediums but cheaper in no dlc games

[carmine geode]

oh okey got it

[keen hemlock]

oh my god

[carmine geode]

whatt

[keen hemlock]

old tank research

[carmine geode]

i ddint need them as UK

i focused on planes

[keen hemlock]

yknow i only learned recently from an isp video that those things on the right are variants

spg, td, and what else

[carmine geode]

yeee

we learned taht jsut now xd

[errant chasm]

I realized I accidentally messaged the wrong guy sorry

[keen hemlock]

aa

[errant chasm]

I was meant to answer hope's question

[carmine geode]

😭 its fine

at least someone talks to me

[errant chasm]

@fathom thistle To answer your question

[fathom thistle]

Yeah no worries I was trying to help that boo guy to find it cuz I have dlcs

Thx anyway 😄

[storm solstice]

should you use flame tanks for line holders

[wise dew]

I’m new to this game can someone tell me first how to encircle and second why all my armies are made up of fedex workers apparently that can’t take a single inch of land if the fate of the world was on the line

[keen hemlock]

light spgs

dont think ive ever seen those before

[keen hemlock]

take the land you enemies hold

[storm solstice]

You encircle by cutting off a tiles access to the rest of the country

[keen hemlock]

and make a pocket

thats a better description

[wise dew]

that looks hard to draw with the offensive line

[storm solstice]

do people just use spg/td in single player? are medium tanks dead

[keen hemlock]

yeah

thats the meta

[storm solstice]

you dont encircle with offensive orders usually. you manually select divisions and click enemy tiles to attack and encircle manually (micro management)

[storm solstice]

Can you convert regular MT to MSPG/MTD? I have a lot of tanks as italy doing f all

[wise dew]

wait so if i want to invade someplace or defend i have to individually manage my 5 trillion divisions instead of using offensive lines

[storm solstice]

Just where you are about to lose

or where u want to push

if u r overwhelmingly strong (italy vs ethiopia, germany vs poland etc.) you can use AI orders

[keen hemlock]

just make spgs and make more divs

[wise dew]

when i try to invade somewhere i just draw an offensive line at the back of wherever the nation is am i doing something wrong because im like 0-50 in invasions and defenses

[glacial steeple]

hru vis

[keen hemlock]

you need offensive templates

[wise dew]

what

[glacial steeple]

you dont have to use all of them

also quality > quantity

[wise dew]

im just having trouble doing anything in the game like i was playing as china and i couldnt beat japan on civilian difficulty and with china buffed to max

[keen hemlock]

offensive divison templates

[wise dew]

what does that mean

[glacial steeple]

try playing finland

read stuff

dont buff yourself

play on like regular

you get good generals, your main issue is manpower

[twin kayak]

How does the fuel system work ?

What do I need to get more

[wise dew]

what miracles does finland have 💀

[errant chasm]

Hello Casey

[storm solstice]

Oil

[errant chasm]

Good. Just got off work

[twin kayak]

david vs goliath. And if you play well and understand the mechanics, you'll do well

[glacial steeple]

it forces you to read

and gets insane buffs

[wise dew]

thats the thing though i dont play well or understand the mechanics

[glacial steeple]

well yeah so youll have to learn

[twin kayak]

you'll learn with finland

casey tought me a lot while playing finland

[glacial steeple]

i just told you to use a general and read stuff

[keen hemlock]

its how you change whats in your divisons

its on the right of the recruitment tab

[glacial steeple]

but its good practice i think

[wise dew]

i do read bro 😭

[glacial steeple]

youll understand better when playing

[twin kayak]

what do all of these numbers mean ?

and how do I get them up

[glacial steeple]

fuel situation bad

use less, or get more

it tells you usage

it tells you income

usage > income = bad

[twin kayak]

okok

how do I get them up ?

I have enough oil

[jagged grail]

Which dlc should I buy as a beginner?

[storm solstice]

no step back

[twin kayak]

@storm solstice

Doesn't look like I need more

[storm solstice]

you are using 10k a day on navy

[glacial steeple]

it isnt a resource like the othere

it doesnt say youre down

you dont use it to like produce stuff

[storm solstice]

amount of oil determins the rate at which ur FUEL is produced

[glacial steeple]

^

[twin kayak]

what do I need to build then or idk

so just buy more ?

[storm solstice]

dont have ur entire navy out that might help

unless u need it for smth specific

[twin kayak]

I'm preparing for war with italy and germany

and I wanna last as long as possible

[storm solstice]

is it exercising

[twin kayak]

If I get my navy into port ok, I wont use fuel for a month or two, but the problem will be the same after 2 month of war. I won't have any more fuel

[carmine geode]

pov mussolini starts civil war at the same time I capitulate italy

[glacial steeple]

so you have to import more

also why civ eco

its bad

very bad

[twin kayak]

doesn't let me go higher

I know that it's bad

[glacial steeple]

attache button

10% ws

[glacial steeple]

send an attache to an ongoing war

[austere roost]

Is this france

[glacial steeple]

41 oil

maybe

i dont think it is

[twin kayak]

hahah, guess I'm not gonna get more ws

for now

[twin kayak]

no, brittain

idk if you were talking about me

[austere roost]

yeah the 10% ws

[glacial steeple]

its a bad indicator

that could be netherlands too, or uk in this case, or like idk usa, canada?

idk who else gets low ws

[storm solstice]

Mechanized or motorized?

[austere roost]

mech

motorized is a waste of ic

although there's nothing wrong with just having tank+inf divisions

[keen hemlock]

i only use mototized when its on the base template

[pliant condor]

it being on the base template indicates that you should delete that template x

[keen hemlock]

i mean

im chanign lights to spgs

[pure hinge]

Hi, I just purchansed HOI4. Can you guys recommend how to learn the game? Is there any ingame tutorial section or thing like this?

[keen hemlock]

there is an ingame tutorial

[proven rain]

how to get warpower

[keen hemlock]

but i would recomend watching this https://youtu.be/WCqXIRRVZIY?si=eDqeQwq8Avt9OtL3

[keen hemlock]

conscription law

[proven rain]

and where

in there

[keen hemlock]

here

[raven tulip]

is there any one who can join a vc to help me with a crashing problem

[proven rain]

ye

but when its good

its dont say

[carmine geode]

actually how i learned to play is play the tutorial, watch official tutorial and then wahtc and play togethet with bittersteel tutorial as he explains A tooooooooon of stuff to u

and u get to expierence the fun of the game

[pure hinge]

okay. Thanks

[keen hemlock]

hover over it

to see the prerequsiets

[carmine geode]

i sent the video to ur dm

[rapid urchin]

i feel like my air isnt supposed to be doing THIS badly

granted its not the best planes

but it shouldnt have 4% efficency?

this is not supposed to happen?

[keen hemlock]

does anyone know what happened here? dutch instantly white peaced with germany after they didnt give the kaiser back

[dusty sandal]

no fuel no range

[pliant condor]

no supply on your airbase

[rapid urchin]

it says out of fuel here

but my fuel is good?

[storm solstice]

should italy join barbarossa?

[rapid urchin]

basically my carriers have no fuel?

[storm solstice]

u prod uce 3.6k u use up to 24k on navy

[rapid urchin]

(where they're flying from

[rapid urchin]

yeah but i have 112k in stockpile

[trail reef]

why cant i chose a local collaborator

[raven tulip]

is there any one who can join a vc to help me with a crashing problem

[storm solstice]

whats a good amphibious tank design

[wise dew]

i just finished my first game the soviets clapped my cheeks after i got pulled into war by lithuania

[lofty ravine]

how can i push these modifiers over the top?

i am able to add a +20 from diplo pressure but that leaves 8 to cover

opinion is max, wt is max

[keen hemlock]

improve relations

oh

spies

[lofty ravine]

.

[keen hemlock]

on diplomatic pressure

[lofty ravine]

yeah that adds +20

[keen hemlock]

oh

i thought they had a modifier

[lofty ravine]

what is "faction power projection" and how can i change it

[wise dew]

how does finland teach me the game i just tried it and didnt learn anything

[glacial steeple]

wdym lithuania

they shouldnt be related

[glacial steeple]

did you read?

[wise dew]

idk they were in my faction

[glacial steeple]

you have a government balance of power, you have great generals

good advisors

you should look to buff the military

[wise dew]

i dont know how to play bro read what

[glacial steeple]

like, the buffs you get, click the government tab etc

you havent shown any of your game so im just guessing

[wise dew]

wdym send

can i actually send a replay of my gameplay without recording it myself

[glacial steeple]

no, but like screenshots tell a lot

[wise dew]

💀

[wise dew]

was i supposed to send the map or the focus tree

[lofty ravine]

anyone??

[glacial steeple]

ok

not researching, not doing doctrines

probably a varuety of stuff befoee too

you also really have no reason to join any faction with lone wolf

no political power spent

so probably civ eco, horrendous

no advisors

[wise dew]

i was researching i just forgot to and stopped after i realized my dudes were finished

[glacial steeple]

5 speed is not doing you any favours

[glacial steeple]

you should always research

ahead of time for stuff like guns even

[wise dew]

heres some other stuff

[glacial steeple]

and production techs

yeah thats bad

[wise dew]

im pretty sure i started the path to form the nordic union

[glacial steeple]

but its ok

dont bother

its not important for learning

lowkey i cant really give a lot of advice rn, but i can imagine theres a large variety of things to do

[wise dew]

if you were to play finland that what would your like sequence of progression be

[wise dew]

rip

[cold bloom]

you wanna do your industry as early as possible and your diplomacy as late as possible while not making the effects more difficult to handle

also, welcome

[wise dew]

wdym do industry

if i build civilian factories theyll be completed when my ancestors reach mars

[glacial steeple]

its a balancing act

politics early is good for weekly manpower and government trust

but you dont want it on the first guy because hes hated

[glacial steeple]

civs are bad

[wise dew]

like when people say do industry or politics i have no clue what that means

[keen hemlock]

Industry = factories, resources, infrastructure

Politics equals governmental advisors, laws, and balance of power

[wise dew]

from what ive seen its impossible to not surrender to the ussr i didnt win a single offensive

[keen hemlock]

You aren’t supposed to do offensives

[wise dew]

so i just lose

it would be a lot easier to ask for help if i actually knew what i was doing wrong

[keen hemlock]

You hold the line

[wise dew]

my troops dont do that tho they just lose

[keen hemlock]

Finland is like a fly compared to the ussr, their main buffs are their generals and military not having a purge

[storm solstice]

germanys kinda getting cooked by the soviets so do i join them?

(italy)

[wise dew]

people said i should play finaldn to learn that kinda implies that im not going to get smoked the whole game

[cold bloom]

If you can get past the Austrian mountains which can be pain, sure

[storm solstice]

oh i meant join germany

im in the axis

(big mistake)

[cold bloom]

Id just faction switch 🙃

[storm solstice]

u can leave fac in a war?

[wise dew]

i kinda just need a sequence of events that i should follow to play finland then i could prob apply it to other nations later

[cold bloom]

Strong Soviets are easier to backstab than Strong Germany in my experience

[waxen magnet]

does anyone have good fighter aircraft design for germany to have air superioty for paratroppers?

[cold bloom]

#ask-for-help-here message

[subtle socket]

according to ur flag

ur the soviet union civil war that lost

years ago

??

as germany id double armor plate

range mio carries u u dont need extra fuel tank

[astral heath]

chat rate the build

i see a lot of green arrows

[subtle socket]

cav are fine grinding units and a decent larp if u invest all the doctrines into them but wether they are like "good" is questionable

but dont use 40s fs

[astral heath]

ik its a joke unit

for netherlands what path should i go economically?

[subtle socket]

benelux

annex belgium lux w cores

[storm solstice]

is it ok to land 50 divisions in the UK?

in 1944

[astral heath]

i mean obtain foreign or abandon gold standard

[storm solstice]

or will i get supplyfucked

[astral heath]

idk

[subtle socket]

dependa on ur units the port u take

etc

[subtle socket]

i forget what they do

which ones which

[storm solstice]

entire south coast

[astral heath]

idk thats why im asking

[subtle socket]

ur prob fine

as long ad no raiding

[subtle socket]

read what they do

[storm solstice]

Yea they did not stand a chance

[subtle socket]

usually the uk ai is very bad at defending sea lion

once u land its 99% they're dead

[finite terrace]

theyre better nowadays, used to just completely fall apart

still not a big deal if you know what youre doing but its not 100% free now for anyone tbh

[stable trench]

can someone please be friends w me and show me how to play because i dont get the tutorials

[rancid herald]

Hey is kaisereich still working normal for people?

[subtle socket]

ai is still very very bad

u can sea lion 10/10 times as germany if u try to

and end up suceeding

[wise dew]

Why has everything been chinafied

[stable trench]

its making me go crazy i dont understand and half the stuff is not there

please💔

i have all the dlcs but still people are starting off differently and alot is not showing uo

*up

[keen stag]

Wdym by that

[stable trench]

like there are areas that they say to clic on or buttons to click but they dont show up for me

and everything is so confusing

[keen stag]

Can you give me an example I might be able to help

[stable trench]

ok people are starting off with MIO's in the start i dont see any and same thing with plane points

but thats not even the main problem i just

dont understand

anything

[keen stag]

I think everyone does start with mios it’s just really hidden if you don’t know what your doing and I think your talking about the air xp? U can get that but putting some planes on training but clicking the little gear icon on the top left

I’ll be on in like an hour if u want I can show u around the game

[stable trench]

YES PLEASE

[austere roost]

can you follow bittersteel's beginner germany guide?

[rancid herald]

My best guess is April fools? Was just confused since I didn't play then, it's the 2nd for me

[scenic nacelle]

april fools

@rancid herald

[dark thunder]

these april fools jokes usually stay for a few days

especially since its still april first for most

[errant chasm]

<@&846894118219022336>

[wild rune]

eugh

@sterile brook

sorry if you are busy but you are the only mod on rn that isn't on do not disturb

pluh

@trim arch ollie is afk can you remove this

[trim arch]

? why me and what was it?

[wild rune]

because you were online

and it was a scam

[trim arch]

Am I the only mod online? Just curious

[wild rune]

no

[trim arch]

I'm on mobile :p

[wild rune]

but others are Do not disturb

[trim arch]

ah I see, well someone else got to it before me it seems

thanks for reporting 👍

[wild rune]

yw

[hushed gorge]

i need a broken thing to destroy a lot of ships in hoi4

[serene karma]

Navs

[hushed gorge]

im playing as the US and im going against a japan player

[hushed gorge]

?

[serene karma]

Medium naval bombers

[hushed gorge]

how do i design them

[serene karma]

With two torps and max range

[hushed gorge]

no defensive things

[serene karma]

U can try the dnd mods too

[hushed gorge]

like sealable fuel tanks

[serene karma]

Do u have green air

Is this sp

[hushed gorge]

the game hasnt started yet but he never does air besides for carrier ships

[serene karma]

Who’s he

[hushed gorge]

the japan player im going against

im the US

[serene karma]

Oh

Place some turrets on it

[hushed gorge]

heavy or light

[serene karma]

Light

[wild rune]

-# They aren't real

[hushed gorge]

i dont think you can put torpedos on medium planes

wait nvm

[neat widget]

yes you can

but you can't put them on as primary slot

because yes

[left glacier]

[copper mason]

What's a good country to play after learning how to play Italy?

[wind lotus]

It's staying until april 3

[pale cove]

try germany since its axis aswell

[left glacier]

You'll learn a lot playing Germany

[small dove]

why are my graphic settings not saving

[nova wharf]

why dont i have docking rights with other faction members(im faction leader)? its not even in the diplomacy tab..

[digital peak]

why my troops dont attack when the order (invade a whole country) is on?

[austere roost]

Is it aggressive? If not they won't auto attack unless you have very good chance of winning

[tropic seal]

Italy is one of the harder majors to play so if you've learnt that then it's all good

[weak island]

can i have help on how to naval invade

idk how

lol

[green oasis]

you have to have naval dominace in all the regions where troops would pass

[weak island]

ok but how do i do it

what do i need for everything

[tropic seal]

you need a fleet for naval dominance

you need a convoys to actually move your troops to your destination

thats all

[red dagger]

Hey guys! Im trying to learn the game. Any help appreciated: https://discord.com/channels/183787140671471616/1489128638052958249

[fathom thistle]

Sure anything specific you need help with ?

[red dagger]

Yeah, I actually have quite a few questions 😄

Mainly about getting a good start — like what I should build and what not, and overall priorities early on. I’d also love some help with army templates and how to set up my navy at the beginning (and what to build there), especially so I don’t get instantly invaded by the UK.
As I mentioned, I’ve got around 100 hours, but that was quite a while ago, so I’mreally strugglerng. I also still struggle a lot with the tank, navy, and aircraft designers.

So yeah… a bit of everything 😅

[fathom thistle]

Alr lets go from point to point. Construiction wise you can usually spam civilian factories till start of 38 and then you start spamming military

it's not a rule and since you are probably germany you dont need to civ greed that much

as for template most of them are in the pins of this channel

[red dagger]

ye i heared that ppl dont build civs as germany

[fathom thistle]

exactly

[red dagger]

If you have the time and feel like it, we could maybe hop into a voice channel and I can stream my start while you guide me a bit?

[fathom thistle]

cant really rn but I still can type if you need something

[red dagger]

ye sure. what about the navy? what am i doing at the beginning with it, what kind of tanks and planes should i build untill endc of 1939 and how much civ/mils should i have bevore i start the war?

[tropic seal]

the meta is to build civs until you replace todt

roughly november 38

click decisions june 1937

for development

july 38 start building refs

[fathom thistle]

composition wise u can build Torpedo destroyers for schreening combined with capital ships like converted bbs and carriers.

[tropic seal]

thats why you leave 3 building slots in each 100% state

after that mils

[lunar spoke]

better to learn navy tbh in this new patch

as germany all u need is 2 good battleships and enougj screens

[fathom thistle]

Istg they change it everytime

[tropic seal]

civs till todt replaced, mils till 38*

nov 38

major brain fart over there

[red dagger]

my biggest issue rn is to get a good army and eco untill i start war.. thats what im failing on rn. i saw so many diffrent guides, heared diffrent opinoins.. its kinda confusing. thats why i would appreciate a lil voicechat with streaming 😄

[tropic seal]

ohh nevermind i might be thinking about the hmm mod

the one that use for a lotta mp stuff

[tropic seal]

at worst

just civ till early to mid 37

then mils

thats it

[fathom thistle]

army composition wise you really need like 2 templates, one for holding and one for attacking + a garrison template and special forces template like marines against uk

[lunar spoke]

bittersteel ones is the most newbie friendly imo

[tropic seal]

no need to think this will work for most nations and you never need to really micromanage building in sp

it doesnt matter if you micromaange building or not

in sp

[tropic seal]

nah watch segl trust tech juggling one minute into the video

beginner friendly

[lunar spoke]

for army all u need is 2 templates tbh one line holding and one offensive

[lunar spoke]

😭

[red dagger]

ye ive got some from a forum post

[tropic seal]

its 99% chance outdated

depending on the age of the post

[red dagger]

2 months

[tropic seal]

and reddit isnt the greatest source of templates either

[tropic seal]

thats pre cas nerf

could still be outdated

[glacial steeple]

ok germany is simple

make 1 civ

[lunar spoke]

9/0 and 36 widths

[glacial steeple]

make mils until 38

make some refineries

[lunar spoke]

when in doubt go this

[glacial steeple]

go back to mils

win game

[red dagger]

rn im using this guide for templates : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2714213712&searchtext=template

[tropic seal]

theres no need to learn about stuff like geenral trait grinding before economy

but if ur interested then sure

[lunar spoke]

if u understand this than good

but i dont think a newbie can understand that

[red dagger]

not really 😄 i just use those templates

[tropic seal]

uh

can oyu send a ss

of the templates

[lunar spoke]

yuh

just the templates

[tropic seal]

like no beginner needs to know weekly losses when fighting in mud

[red dagger]

i agree

[tropic seal]

not even people with like 600 hours in the game need ot know this honestly unless if theyre really into mp

[red dagger]

ye its just about the templates

[tropic seal]

aight send them over

field hospitals in f??

?????

[fathom thistle]

the army doctrines are kinda off, field engineering is pretty bad especaiily since you have dlc's you can use self proppeled doctrine, same with streamlined deployment, armored spearhead gives you breaktrhough which is what you want, as for large unit tactics, ehh... I would rather go with assault infantry for most soft attack boost or individual excellency for hp stack

[tropic seal]

use spgs instea dof tanks

you need 36w

and is that a td? i dont know what that is in the middle

[tropic seal]

dont use line artillery

move the line art and youre golden

bruh

cant they swap up the scam pics once ina while

spamming the same 4 images is lowk gettin boring

[inner sparrow]

who made this list 😭

[tropic seal]

motorised refcon is also questionable

[tropic seal]

field hospitals in f 🥀

[red dagger]

its so confusing 😄

[tropic seal]

id usually use armored or ranger recon only

[inner sparrow]

signals in D aswell

[fathom thistle]

flame tanks in S

no question

[inner sparrow]

flame tank is S worthy

[fathom thistle]

its also missing rangers for sum reason

[tropic seal]

cooked list but yeah

[fathom thistle]

must be old for sure

[tropic seal]

it aint mine

i think so

[left helm]

How do i fix my Paradox Launcher
It keeps Failing to update

[red dagger]

yee thats what i mean, im getting 1000 infos but im not able to sort out which is usefull, right or wrong

thats why i would like to get someone up in voicechat for some basic instructions 😄

[fathom thistle]

well the guide is from 2025 so yeah, general rule of thumb is you want a guide that is like max 1 month old

even that might be outdated xD

[lunar spoke]

yuh

iirc not worth it in sp

but imo i wouldnt put them in f

[left helm]

no help 💔

[lunar spoke]

for the tank div change the mech to motorized

for inf make it 9 battalions

either eng and supp art

[red dagger]

do u have some screenshots from tank/inf div for me maybe? so i can save them. and maybe doctrines aswell

[inner sparrow]

don’t make the mech to motorized for ur tanks

straight up bs

motorized is one of the worst batallion in the game

[tropic seal]

motorised < cav < camels < mech

[inner sparrow]

the reason u use mech in ur tank divisions and not only tanks is because of hp so ur tank can actually stay in combat, and guess which batallion is the most useless and doesn’t give u any hp (and no other stat aswell)

[tropic seal]

ive literally only seen mot used for funny light tank meme speed builds

lmao

[wild rune]

just saw this

thats crazy

[inner sparrow]

me when I say random stuff and make it up aaaa moment

[glacial steeple]

why not

[wild rune]

real

[glacial steeple]

there actually is

because traits matter a lot more than economy

economy can be like make mils and win

[tropic seal]

cuz why would a person with like five hours in the game learn this before like

supply

or something

[glacial steeple]

imo its more important

[tropic seal]

yeah but its the same for traits in sp

[inner sparrow]

me when im in a bunny competition and my enemy is casey

[tropic seal]

you can have terrible traits and still roll

[glacial steeple]

and you can have terrible eco but win the game

https://tenor.com/view/self-control-type-bark-woof-gif-9489710035771535173

[wild rune]

But to a new player thats far less likely

[wild rune]

real

[red dagger]

thats what i mean. im getting 1000 diffrent opinions but struggleing with the basics. its only getting more confusing for me tbh ;D

[wild rune]

it is easier to have great eco with terrible traits and win as a new player

[tropic seal]

easier to win game with good eco and terrible traits than terrible eco and good traits

but yeah obviously traits are important

[inner sparrow]

traits are a not needed in sp and it’s way easier to learn eco and win because of your advantage

[tropic seal]

im just saying its not the first or even second thing a complete beginner should learn

[inner sparrow]

its a good thing to know but new players should first prioritise learning to manage their eco and so on

all they need to know is how to spam inf + air and activate battleplan

[glacial steeple]

idk its easy to learn traits and stats

[wild rune]

ts is some MP players btw

[red dagger]

ye i just need to learn how to get into it. minmaxing comes later

[glacial steeple]

you decide what you feel like getting into

[tropic seal]

this was highkey a viable mp strategy before cas nerf

more than viable

angels lost their wings after the cas nerf

[inner sparrow]

it is still viable, cas is still op

ur gonna win vs 90% of players with it in mp

[tropic seal]

yeah but you cant really get away with just inf now or else that whopping 80 hard attack n your divs cooks you if the enemy pulls up with like 6k soft attack spgs

[inner sparrow]

and u can also just change it from inf to special forces and ur gonna win vs 99% players

[wild rune]

SF my goat

[tropic seal]

ts is why i play in mp rooms that dont ban the special forces cap exploit

im a bum i know but its so funny

[glacial steeple]

even with cap its not a big deal

like what

[tropic seal]

yeah its just funnier without the cap

i should try a marine commandos spam build

to just throw naval invasions everywhere sometime

[inner sparrow]

u can make in divs with 600 base soft 200 hard and like 90 piercing, if u have 400 of them with green air, unless u play against actual good players its free

[tropic seal]

200 hard attack??

[inner sparrow]

and doing that with special forces works even better

[tropic seal]

how

[inner sparrow]

magic

[red dagger]

its just getting more confusing 😄

[tropic seal]

this is with gun 3 and good mios

how are you getting 200 hard attack

????

[tropic seal]

ignore all this its mp specific

no sp ai is going to rock up with meta spg divs

[inner sparrow]

line at3 + sup at with ger mio and u do the at doc but u lose soft with it as u cant use the howy doctrine

[glacial steeple]

ussr ai can make spgs

[haughty vortex]

I'm bored. What are some niche paths to play?

[glacial steeple]

very bad ones

but still

[tropic seal]

theyre ass

[tropic seal]

fair

[inner sparrow]

its not exactly 200 but something near

[tropic seal]

maybe ill try that idk

200 hard attack on inf seems crazy

[inner sparrow]

its overkill honestly

[glacial steeple]

communist iran, communist arg, demo bra

[tropic seal]

no way demo bra is niche

[glacial steeple]

demo japan

demo ita

[wild rune]

those who use large unit tactics

[glacial steeple]

niche as in suboptimal sp path

[tropic seal]

its peak!

[tropic seal]

fair enough

[wild rune]

IE is peak

[tropic seal]

i think assault inf 36w and large unit tactics 36w was meta ger pre cas nerf

now you need td divs to stop the bajillion soft attack spgs

[inner sparrow]

this is the true peak for sov on barb

trust and belive

always go this fr

https://tenor.com/view/cat-run-cat-hit-dumb-cat-small-cat-cat-pain-gif-5201429184094247707

[red dagger]

when was the cas nerf? and what does it mean for my plane factories now?

[wild rune]

CAS nerf was 1.17 iirc

[tropic seal]

is moto aa better than just using 50w cas farms?

[tropic seal]

nothing

[inner sparrow]

nothing really, same thing for u than before

[tropic seal]

the cas nerf changed nothing about sp

cas will still wreck the ai

it just make it harder for inf spam in mp

[inner sparrow]

50w cas farm is banned as exploit on most servers

[tropic seal]

since the enemy usually also has a brain and knows the meta

[inner sparrow]

but if ur allowed to, do it

[wild rune]

cas farms are often banned no?

[tropic seal]

ah

[tropic seal]

i play with my friends

we have like no rules lol

we usualyl vote on the spot if smth is banned or not

[inner sparrow]

the only reason why the tank div has tripple mot aa is to shoot down axis cas

[tropic seal]

yuh

50w cas farms when you are allowed to use them

absolutely demolish the enemy cas

[inner sparrow]

yes

[wild rune]

against ai its not needed tho

considering any decent plane template will melt them

[inner sparrow]

yeah totally

[wild rune]

could be outnumbered 1:10 and come out on top

[red dagger]

do u have any examples for me tho?

[inner sparrow]

red baron mentioned

[wild rune]

real

Heavys are not bad too

[tropic seal]

america has that insane research bonus for heavy fighters

[red dagger]

what types of planes should i focus on from 1936-1939 germany?

[wild rune]

although research time usually doesn't permit them

[tropic seal]

just do light

ger doesnt have bonuses for heavy fighters

in research

[wild rune]

I produce heavy fighters until I get improved light airframe

[tropic seal]

focke wulf will also give your light fighters more than enough range for europe

and for america yu should have canada anyawy as an airbase

[wild rune]

ts is why Focke Wulf is considered like 3rd best plane mio

[red dagger]

im staying with germany untill im feeling confi

[tropic seal]

i meant like when invading america

[red dagger]

im far away from that tbh 😄

[tropic seal]

lol i cant ge tthrough belgium in my current germany games

all good mate

getting destroyed in the netherlands

[glacial steeple]

use boat

[tropic seal]

nah not even right

just annex can in the peace deal

[wild rune]

use plane

[glacial steeple]

or walk through central america

[glacial steeple]

sometimes i forget you can start in europe

[wild rune]

go to africa and paradrop brazil

[tropic seal]

lmfaooo

[wild rune]

or paradrop iceland

[glacial steeple]

they should patch it out

[red dagger]

its not about the distance 😄 my eco and army dies before i get to this point

[tropic seal]

why didnt hitler annex canada to threaten america? was he stupid?

[wild rune]

do you not steal gold reserves?

[glacial steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-collie-pup-dog-border-collie-cute-gif-6662451101965769444

[tropic seal]

just go peg or cancel mefo price controls germany atp

[glacial steeple]

who do you play

[tropic seal]

normal ger puts a lot of pressure on new players

[wild rune]

real

[wild rune]

i normally do the second option icl

[red dagger]

germany. but like i said. im a noob with 100 hrs. im looking to get into the basics- this conversation rn is way too deep for me tho 😄

[tropic seal]

100 hours??

[glacial steeple]

germany,,, condolences,,,

[red dagger]

ye 100 hrs like 5 yrs ago

[wild rune]

big takeaway is use Prioritize Economic Growth and rush down consumer goods reduction

[opaque wing]

dont do mefo bills

[tropic seal]

ah fair

[opaque wing]

and play historical then go to war with uk

[red dagger]

ye i can find my buttons but thats all 😄

[opaque wing]

instead of sov

so u kill uk

be4 barbarossa

[tropic seal]

before 41*

america joining is annoying

[opaque wing]

eh

if america joins what can you do

[red dagger]

anyone joining is annnoying for me tbh 😄

[tropic seal]

if they join you cant take the peace deal to annex canda to trivialise the american invasion

having canada makes capping america a joke

[opaque wing]

you can island hop

[wild rune]

Those who don't larp

[tropic seal]

it takes a lot more time

why would you do that

[wild rune]

don't even need to island hop

[opaque wing]

you have a nap with soviets

[tropic seal]

theres literally no benefit to doing that over capping britain early and taking canada

[opaque wing]

if your slow with moving troops to british canada

[tropic seal]

other than larp

[opaque wing]

you do

[wild rune]

just go through South America smh

[opaque wing]

yeah but if ur new you are not doing that

[wild rune]

go down africa

[tropic seal]

yeah just lock in then

[wild rune]

and then naval invade brazil

[tropic seal]

its not that hard to cap britain pre 41

on normal ai

[glacial steeple]

cheese do you think the perfect naval defense could hold against 10w marine waves

or marine waves in general

[wild rune]

how many marines

[glacial steeple]

idk 300

[neat widget]

what kind of server are you in that is using 10w marine waves?

[tropic seal]

perfect naval defence is just having naval dominance

[wild rune]

yeah

[glacial steeple]

im kinda like

[neat widget]

a server that removes fa/ls?

[glacial steeple]

misrememebring

[wild rune]

to an extent

[glacial steeple]

i remember someone talking about no force attack marines

you should do larger with FA

[tropic seal]

no....

[glacial steeple]

im so tired

[tropic seal]

force attack my beloved..

[opaque wing]

this is just autistic

[glacial steeple]

sorry........

[glacial steeple]

i am !

[opaque wing]

what

[tropic seal]

WE play hoi4

[neat widget]

so am i

[wild rune]

Flicker bombing is my favorite pastime

[opaque wing]

i mean fair

[tropic seal]

theres not a single mentally stable person that has more than like 200 hours in this game

[wild rune]

nooooo

Damn it

how could this be

[opaque wing]

i have 60

[tropic seal]

erm mr psychologist why cant i just take the 70 day focus to improve stability?

[wild rune]

France when I gain +5% stab

[tropic seal]

70 day focus power creep is real

brazil in two 35 day focuses: core every nation in south america diplomatically (and annex them)

australia in a 70 day focus: level 2 railway

from sydney to canberra

[wild rune]

France in like 210 days of focus gets like 16 civs and 8 mils

or something

by investing in everything

[tropic seal]

huge...

literally more efficeint to release your african dominions as puppets for them to do their own focuses

[wild rune]

it also has a 70 day focus(iirc) that gives 5% stab

[wild rune]

yeah

[tropic seal]

massive

[wild rune]

you can do it while they are released

giving you the combined ecos

[tropic seal]

ah i havent tried htat yet

ive only done it with brazil/portugal

[wild rune]

if you do it make sure to either play with sheeps or FFUE to core all of that back

[red dagger]

Alright, one more try 😅 If someone has time and is up for it, I’d be super grateful if you could explain the basics and help me start in a voice chat via stream

[wild rune]

what basics?

Do you know how to do a frontline?

Do you know how to put divisions in the queue to be made?

[red dagger]

ye ye

[wild rune]

Do you know where all the production things are

[red dagger]

its more about eco, productiuons, builds, templates etc

[tropic seal]

i would be so down but im not at home rn 🥀

[light knoll]

its not
its 560 days of focus

[red dagger]

just how to get started to not get run over after a few months

[tropic seal]

hvae you watched bittersteels msot recent germany guide

[wild rune]

that makes sense

[tropic seal]

its very beginner friendly

[red dagger]

ye

[tropic seal]

i capped all allies on my third run cuz of him

[light knoll]

but its also 16 mills not 8

[tropic seal]

so hes helpful

[red dagger]

i watched alot of guides but there are so many diffrent infos, its confusing for me rn. even here 😄

[light knoll]

pls don't recommend it

[wild rune]

Gng I don't remember my playthrough of france from 7 hours ago💔

[light knoll]

its not good

[wild rune]

bro is going to make me watch it with that comment

[tropic seal]

its more than good enough for a beginner though

[glacial steeple]

hiii haafr

[light knoll]

bittersteel recommends infinity tank microing

[tropic seal]

unless if you have an alternative

[light knoll]

its really not good for beginners

[tropic seal]

ah thats fair

[light knoll]

hiii

[tropic seal]

maybe just swap his actual templates + battle out for 36w battleplan

his stuff on eco focuses is all generally alright

[glacial steeple]

thinking about making naval invasion defense works...

[light knoll]

wdym

[wild rune]

infinity tank microing is amazing

[light knoll]

mid

[tropic seal]

i hate microing

im a lazy bum

i just run sf and battleplan

[light knoll]

battleplaning>>>

[wild rune]

(I don't micro and I don't make tanks)

[tropic seal]

truth nuke

[light knoll]

i don't make tanks nor air i just use inf with aa and battleplan

works every time

[wild rune]

ok bud

[light knoll]

[red dagger]

any alternatives ?

[wild rune]

It does work but like air makes your life so much easier

[light knoll]

segl ig

[tropic seal]

there are alternatives but most of them arent targetted to beginners

[tropic seal]

brother

[glacial steeple]

ok you prob would have a lower fort level and another nation but this + minelaying

[tropic seal]

have you seen what segl does in his vid

[light knoll]

but you can skip thevmore try hard stuff he does

[wild rune]

segl is NOT aimed at beginners

[tropic seal]

the only thing thats beginner friendly in that entire thing is inf battleplan

[light knoll]

not the full vid

[tropic seal]

he literalyl tech juggles one minute in

like how is a beginner meant to know wth that is

[light knoll]

yeah i agree

unfortunately there aren't good youtubers

[tropic seal]

yeah

theres just not many that make guides for beginners except bnittersteel

[glacial steeple]

@vital geode is a good youtuber smh

[red dagger]

thats the reason why im here 😄

[light knoll]

lmao

[wild rune]

check pins for div templates

[glacial steeple]

wouldnt it be fire tho

[tropic seal]

production is mostly just like instinct at the start

if you need more of this put more factorie son this

if i have a huge stockpile of this

then maybe i shouldnt have had so many factories on it

[wild rune]

you have deficit you put more mils on it

[tropic seal]

🔥

the true micro

[light knoll]

too boring against the ai 10 width single wave of marines

[glacial steeple]

max buff sheep ai japan vs world

[wild rune]

Icl I normally just do the the standard 10 5 3 4 icl

[glacial steeple]

might make it more interesting

[red dagger]

where can i find them?

[tropic seal]

where stronghold network

[tropic seal]

pins

[glacial steeple]

like no buffs as japan

[light knoll]

ok that's better

[wild rune]

the pins in this channel

[tropic seal]

ten million naval invasions it is..

[glacial steeple]

but like idk a good naval defense seems OP

[tropic seal]

looks like someones desensitised to the naval invasin klaxon

[wild rune]

10 on guns 5 on support 3 on arty and 4 on AA/AT depending on if I'm building air.

[glacial steeple]

maybe you could do it as australia or nzl

more fun

and you get forts spawned in

[wild rune]

but if i don't have massive eco then I just prioritize guns until I have reasonable stockpile

[tropic seal]

and trains

always trains

[wild rune]

or if its going to 1970 as a puppet or sm bs then I just focus on making trucks at the beginning

[tropic seal]

ive seeen too many screenshtso of people with like 'why are muh troops not working' and they have 0 trains in stockpile

[wild rune]

3 on trains is good usually

2 is probably ok

[tropic seal]

yeah some people dont use any at all n trains

theyrelike 'ok i dont see trains in any of my div requirements'

must not be needed

[light knoll]

maybe

[wild rune]

those who don't look at what the bars at the top of the screen mean

[light knoll]

casey do you know if there's any nation with hp buff for inf

[wild rune]

logistics bar is my goat

and then supply map mode

[light knoll]

anywhere in the tree or spirits or whatever

[glacial steeple]

spain because air cav

or raj

communist

[light knoll]

i mean besides that

[light knoll]

yeah i thought about that

but i want like

actual direct hp buff

[glacial steeple]

it is direct

[light knoll]

i want the highest possible hp unit

[light knoll]

isn't it just width reduction

[wild rune]

Mech IE with field hospital is your best bet i think with the stormtruppen support company

[light knoll]

i want to do mass mob individual excellence air cavalry build

and 50w

[wild rune]

because stormtruppen support company gives health

[glacial steeple]

sorry its in english rn so might be hard to understand

[light knoll]

oh wait that's huge

do you think i can reach 900 hp

[glacial steeple]

australia or nzl for naval defense build

[light knoll]

nz

[glacial steeple]

idk

[light knoll]

does individual excellence and air cav buff mech

[glacial steeple]

lowkey ast is prob better

[light knoll]

hmm

imma test

[wild rune]

yes

[tropic seal]

IE does

[light knoll]

ok good

[remote fractal]

I am trying to get the achievement where as Facist France I core all of mainland britain, how can I do this?

I am going down the Jacques Doriot path, so I assume I should build up my navy?

[tropic seal]

you can do paratroopers

its easier probably

[light knoll]

whats the best support companies for hp

that i can get on India

field hospital, helicopter, and?

[wild rune]

logistics company for IE buff

[light knoll]

true

what other 2

[wild rune]

the rest is up to you gng

[glacial steeple]

field hosp

[wild rune]

Those who can not see

uhh

I don't think anything

Maybe MP but its like a 2hp buff iirc

560 days of focus time for 16 civs and 16 mils sounds pretty good right?

Maybe 2 more civs given that algeria counts twice for metropole and africa civ spawn in

[inner sparrow]

spawn ins are always good, unless you waste 70 days for one mil or something

and 560 for 2x 16 is good

ofc depends on how fast u cak get it

[wild rune]

The hardest thing imo is getting to everything you need pre-war

Cuz you need market dynamism and to remove disjounted government and get enough xp to get all your doctrines without removing Victors of the great war

[glacial steeple]

i am blind

im only having hoi4 open rn because my adblock stopped working for a bit on yt and i can listen slop music

[daring gorge]

what happens if i declare on vichy as italy if im in the same faction as germany? they seem to be guruanteeing vichy but idk what happens i js want to complete mare nostrum

[wild rune]

real

[neat widget]

germany won't get involved

[daring gorge]

fr?

[wild rune]

I have like infinite music mods downloaded for hoi4

Though I only use 2

[daring gorge]

but couldnt they kick me and then declare?

[glacial steeple]

its great tho i dont usually listen this music

[wild rune]

yuh

[proven rain]

is there any tank build that dont cost 1 year to spawn 1

[hoary glen]

Huh??? Does your computer not have a media player?

[light knoll]

no

its a common trick

joining the axis and then declaring on vichy

works as every nation not just italy

[jade tulip]

does the last effect means WPA will be always chosen as the tactic?

[twin kayak]

What did you do ?

You should just defend at the start

[dusty sandal]

It means it'll have an additionnal chance to be rolled in combat (if conditions are met) and if set as prefered doctrine (on general, field marshall or army command)

[jade tulip]

100% means it will be always chosen? I've set WPA as my country favored tactic and I still dont see it appear in any battle

[dusty sandal]

Not always, higher chance

The other tactics still have their weigt in the roll

Imagine a 5/100 chance to roll the tactic when it can be used
Now imagine that you roll a second time with 5/100 odds but it only works if you land on the 5%
The pie stays the same but one has an increase in odds

And don't forget the conditions for it to be used

[jade tulip]

how I can check the conditions for a tactic to be used

[dusty sandal]

Hover over it

[jade tulip]

ah

[dusty sandal]

As with all tooltips in this game

[jade tulip]

why it says conditions for this tactic are not met? Isnt WPA an offensive tactic?

[glacial steeple]

it does but i cant be asked to use it

theres also another music site i use anyway

[dusty sandal]

It means it's only used in offense

You're looking at a tooltip out of battle or in defensive battle. The check is off because if it was on by default the game would probably calculate the tactic out of combat

[jade tulip]

From what I know, this icon means Im in offensive battle

[dusty sandal]

Indeed you are,I don't really know then

[glacial steeple]

lowkey never saw that icon lol

[dusty sandal]

I always assumed left was attacker ngl

[left helm]

How do i fix my Paradox Launcher
It keeps Failing to update

i really need help bru

[tawdry pivot]

Guys im new to that game and im to brain afk for it can someone help me

[daring gorge]

bulgaria is hogging ll the land i need for mare nostrum is there a way that i can take it from them? thye are in my faction but they wont give me the land

[dusty sandal]

give them useless land you don't need until they accept to give you what you need
OR kick them from faction and invade
OR wait until peace conference to take it from them

[daring gorge]

its only 1942 so i cant and i need like 6mil ppl in my army so thats gonna be hard getting leadership

[dusty sandal]

just kill turkey, if it caps to bul, you'll be able to request some stuff
if it caps to you, give bul useless land and get istanbul back

[daring gorge]

how do i see what i need for mare nostrum

it says that i need all my turkish claims but i think i have them

[dusty sandal]

hover over focus/decision

[daring gorge]

yeah i tried to but it doesnt work

[dusty sandal]

if it's a decision it even highlights the states required on the map

[daring gorge]

it doesnt thats the thing

[dusty sandal]

is it decision or focus ?

[daring gorge]

decision

[dusty sandal]

can you screeshot what it says

[daring gorge]

i dont seem to have claim on the rest of turkey but does it show?

[dusty sandal]

I mean it's still pretty clear
the yugo states are listed
the turkish states you need are the ones bordering the med

at no point does it speak of any claim

[dusty sandal]

you're lacking
Yugo : Bosnia, Herzegovinia, Lubjana
Turks : Istanbul, Izmir, and this state here

[daring gorge]

so i need bulgarian and german states

yugo is my puppet so thats a time question