ask-for-help-here

[opaque garden]

and why dont u have one yet

as germanu

oh nvm

ur sweden

and u want getman stuff

[jade sparrow]

i dont its just that im in the allies and dont want to get invaded by the mustache man and old man ben

[opaque garden]

they wont

just dont join their war

[jade sparrow]

theyve already justified

[opaque garden]

send ss

they jave war goal or they justified?

[jade sparrow]

.

[jade sparrow]

justified

and already available to declare

[opaque garden]

should be fine

then

if they had the chance and they haven't then they wont

[rain iris]

[14:18:32][no_game_date][dlc.cpp:222]: Invalid supported_version in file: mod/ugc_2404689961.mod line: 7
[14:18:48][no_game_date][triggerimplementation.cpp:3607]: Invalid focus scripted in trigger. has_completed_focus = GER_mol_rib_pact (events/BPD_Country_Specific_Claims.txt:955: has_completed_focus)
[14:18:48][no_game_date][trigger.cpp:117]: Trigger failed to validate: events/BPD_Country_Specific_Claims.txt:955: has_completed_focus
Anybody know if I can fix my save with this errors? I already turned off al mods but it still crashes.

[light knoll]

what causes the us to declare war on south america nations fighting between themselves?

without warning/guarantee

has happened to me a few times and im not sure what causes it

[carmine thunder]

Does this bonus also apply to researching mechanised?

[real cave]

dont think so

[blazing venture]

what to do to prevent it from being damaged

[analog maple]

Yes

[cedar wigeon]

My puppet state (dutch east indies) sent me troops how can i give them back ? there is no war in europe only asia pacific for a bit of context

[tired spade]

Can someone help me with getting wojtek

[vernal knoll]

wich one i should make?

[stuck garnet]

which one

[light knoll]

infantry

[stuck garnet]

elaborate?

[light knoll]

you don't really want tanks for china and most of ypur other fronts

just use infantry

tanks are only really good on good terrain without attrition

[stuck garnet]

im uhh

doing civil war also if it matters (communist)

again btw

[cloud sluice]

What’s better light SPG or medium SPG overall for SP

[glacial steeple]

depends on ur buffs

usually medium

unless you can get lights for like basically free

[lucid torrent]

Huh?Where is my autarky?

[wet crater]

Disband the units

[wet crater]

All cores not controlled?

Did you core like luxembourg and not conquer it?

[cedar wigeon]

they keep training without me having control having over it

[ripe escarp]

anyone knows why i cant get naval supremacy here?

[lucid torrent]

Is there anyway to check core states?

[ripe escarp]

infantry. You will have to invade China. Their geography is terrible. Infantry will perform better and its cheaper

[stuck garnet]

I feel like if your geography is terrible then your geography is good but okie dokie

[spiral delta]

he meants terrible for the one invading

in that context

[ripe escarp]

ye like, china has lots of mountains and stuff. Infantry will perform better.

[ripe escarp]

now, anyone knows why?? India is a puppet btww, so I have close naval bases, and it should be working

[stuck garnet]

is @ripe escarp british by any chance /j

or russian

or american /j

(Im joking)

[spiral delta]

racist jokes arent funny

but ok

[stuck garnet]

racist?

dawg when i said "British" do you even know who im reffering to?

britian isnt just english mfs

[ripe escarp]

nah lol. Why tho?

[spiral delta]

clearly can see what u meant

thats just being stereotypical

[stuck garnet]

yeah fair

[ripe escarp]

btww

can any of u guys help me out rly quick?

[ripe escarp]

^

[wet crater]

Yeah that

Only thing to stop that is annex the puppet

And yes it is really annoying

[cedar wigeon]

help there is too many things

how can i regroup them

and yes the soviet attack in 45 because the german never did, i did a good job not dying while everyone else was dead

[pearl path]

Can someone help me? I've played Hearts of Iron for about 10 hours and now when I try to conquer Poland as Germany, I always lose. I don't know why, and it happens with every country even though I have a large army with lots of infantry, planes, and tanks

[wet crater]

Not that I am aware of besides clicking states on the map

The cores i would expect you to have is austria, germany and danzig

[spiral delta]

do anyone know the cheat code to boost or add population to ur country alone?

[wet crater]

Potentially lorraine and luxembourg

If you took a focus to core them

[cedar wigeon]

how to avoid Mutinies in the army ?

[wet crater]

War support

Try to raise it

[pearl path]

anybody?

[ripe escarp]

1. Are your units design good? Don't make them on your own, search designs online. I can give u mine too.

2. Have you used the battle plans?

3. Did you use the air force? Air superiority + CAS gives you huge bonuses (and the polish too, if you don't use your airforce)

4. Are your units supplied?

[lucid torrent]

Where are my land-base plane? Why they don't attack enemies?

[pearl path]

i didnt designed anything because i didnt know how to do it
i just drew a arrow to the capital
yes
yes

[ripe escarp]

well, that's strange. Wanna share the screen so I can try to help?

and dww, no one knows how to design lol. I have my saved tempaltes so I don't have to worry abt it

But you should ALWAYS add anti air to ur units. Always.

[pearl path]

sure but i deleted my save files so i need to create a new game

[ripe escarp]

dang lol

k, ima dm u and give u some tips

[pearl path]

okay

[vital plinth]

Anyone here who plays British raj or has knowledge of the democracy route independent

[violet maple]

whats the best way to get less resistence and more compliance in ur occupied terrotiries?

territories*

[ripe escarp]

if ur playing fascist, do a cooperation government before capitulating them. Gives u 100% compliance

Otherwise, focus on your occupation laws

[tight flicker]

ello everyone how do i move the division in greece to the egyptian-italian front

[lofty folio]

Can I join a game that's all dlc

If I don't have them

[tight flicker]

THIS FRONT AIS AN ABSOLUTE STALEMATE

[lucid torrent]

Bro, feed your soldier, they are fighting with stick.

[fathom thistle]

you kinda need to the opposite, have more resistance so u can get mroe compliance.

Just bcs the laws that give ya more compilance will also have less resistance suppresion

Or just have bosporus DLC and play Bulgaria 3rd empire

[vale cypress]

hey i want to do arty only, any good designs for the army i'm planning to do?

[fathom thistle]

As in line artillery? If yes then dont do that. It's good as support company tho

[violet maple]

establish supploy lines aand then you can push

ur units are like 20% strenght rn

[vale cypress]

no... I'm planning to do artillery only, including support and combat support abttalions

[violet maple]

son 💔

do 3 width cavalry

its better

[vale cypress]

push the one with terrible supply only when you recover your deficit, and if you want, MERGE TROOPS

[vale cypress]

no

i said i'm doing arty only

and theres no horse in eaw

[fathom thistle]

There aint good templates for that cuz its jsut terrible having line artillery

[vale cypress]

there are, i remember a dude in #hoi4-general made a soviet artillery only run

[violet maple]

i guess you'd have to like

get support equipment for organization

and hp

[vale cypress]

yeah ik

[violet maple]

u can get armored recon company things

that'll give u armor which gives u defense agaisnt infantry

or get landcruiser support company

that'll take you a very long time however

[vale cypress]

recon is nearly useless in all templates lol

[fathom thistle]

Soviets have tone of mp and production potential so in theory you could pull it off I just feel like you will get deorged all the time.

[violet maple]

landcruiser support company it is then

[vale cypress]

i'm doing it in EAW as equestria, which pretty much has the potential of the US industry wise

[fathom thistle]

Like I imagine you will have less than 30 org

[vale cypress]

i'm ready to experience suffering with this, trust me

is this "decent"?

[glacial steeple]

afaik in arty only youre allowed any supports

in the OG challenge

[left glacier]

[glacial steeple]

your unit cannot attack because it has 0 org

[fathom thistle]

This is the most org I could get with these doctrines and support companies. It's still terrible but better than your 0 org I guess.

The 18w has more org but the soft attack is kinda meh for that. While 30w has decent soft atttack but less org. Do with that information as you see fit

[vale cypress]

holy... Yeah, no way i'm doing arty only then

hmmm

what abt infantry only?

[fathom thistle]

My favourite :>

[vale cypress]

any templates?

[glacial steeple]

you might have too much org

tbh

if youre planning to have it be able to bounce instead of get deleted

[fathom thistle]

Im geniunely suprised I could get so much xD

[fathom thistle]

Same doctrines as I sent in photo before

[opaque garden]

you want a good template?

I have the best templates

[fathom thistle]

Super heavy something right?

[vale cypress]

thank you

[opaque garden]

no bikes with land cruisers

bike actually

[fathom thistle]

lovely

[opaque garden]

ikr

fantastic template

[minor peak]

are the hard att. important in single player

?

[vale cypress]

wasnt there a thing named uh, space infantry or whatever its named that you place a tank in it so it has tank armor?

[vale cypress]

yes, for tank dmg

[fathom thistle]

U can do that for sure but you dont need that for inf only. The armor you get from one tank in template gets pierced more as enemy will have AT in their template or tanks. U can make chepest self propelled aa to free up your support slot, that's better and you can slam max armor if you really want to

[vale cypress]

i remembered the name, space marines

why are they so hated

[minor peak]

i see in
say hard att. dont important in single player

[minor peak]

you tube

[vale cypress]

can you send me the link here?

[fathom thistle]

Overrated asf. Especially if you dont have like 50+ armor you will get pierced by an AA

[minor peak]

Bitt3rSteel he say that in his all video

[vale cypress]

link?

like, he didnt say it in all of his videos

you mustve seen one specific abt it

@minor peak you need hard attack to combat tanks effectively, also link he bittersteel viudeo pls

[glacial steeple]

no?

just need it against units with high hardness

which in singleplayer are rare

[vale cypress]

rlly? i was told on reddit it was needed to attack tanks faster and easier

[oak jasper]

but what if the ai suddenly decides to build a heavy tank division properly supported by mech? huh? what then?

[oak jasper]

Probably multiplayer advice, as human beings are capable of, well, building tank divisions properly supported by mechanized infantry, possessing both hardness and more than 3 org.

[glacial steeple]

reddit 🥀

[oak jasper]

... that too.

[neat widget]

Well the AI tanks are usually either small (and thus have little offensive/defensive power) or they have low hardness (in which case you're better stacking soft attack instead of hard attack) or, as is most of the time, both

Until you get into late-game around 1944-45

[raw magnet]

Is this a good division guide?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2141885565

[glacial steeple]

even then no

it takes them so much time to get factor for more

maybe

they can get a lot in 45 if their entire army is deleted at the middle of that year

otherwise itll take like 10-20+ years to see them even remotely deploying a lot of high hardness units

germany can kind of do it by early 50s sometimes

[idle arch]

What's a fun minor to play( doesn't have to be hist)

[glacial steeple]

for what purpose

challenge or world conquest or limited wars or

[neat widget]

yeah that too

[tropic estuary]

does somebody help me in rinovation of air template

[grand iris]

and vanilla/mpds?

[errant chasm]

No, It's outdated.

[errant chasm]

I think the infantry is okay but the tanks are suboptimal

[raw magnet]

Im doing a Byzantium run, I am only using 9 infa, Art & eng sups

Alongside shocktropps with 9 infa, 3 art, art & eng sups

I do want to create super Spartan troops and good idea for offence?

[errant chasm]

Also from that steam guide DO NOT use that truck infantry division or use the truck line/rocket artillery

[raw magnet]

I never used truck divisions ever

[errant chasm]

32 width mountaineers or 36 width infantry or 36-39 width tanks

[analog maple]

how do i invade the soviet as japan? my invasion is really slow cause of terrian. is there any way to make my troops attack better/faster

[glacial steeple]

go through azerbaijan

[analog maple]

throu iran?

[glacial steeple]

yes

[analog maple]

ok thx

[grand iris]

or in asia follow the railways, in siberia there is no supply so its not worth killing your troops there

like casey said go through iran and there you open a way to the oilfields and kazakstan area

[brittle ingot]

Guys what is the strongest Tank div possible??

I saw a man doing a world conquest with one div what the **** was the Design and template of IT?

[glacial steeple]

siberia isnt that bad

central asia is what sucks

like the areas of siberia that you need are supplied

theres just nothing in central asia

[grand iris]

the supply is horrible in siberia

[glacial steeple]

comparatively its fine

[grand iris]

any tips how to win USA as mexico

I always struggled to have any proggress

And why does USA always attack me i dont get it

[neat widget]

Primarily make infantry with AA I'd say

Also get desperate defense if you can

After that just hope you can encircle and don't get naval invaded

[deft latch]

I want to ask because of what I know versus what I see

Typically medium tanks are generally viewed as superior but then I will see heavies being used play high level hoi4 players

whats the general status between using heavies and mediums?

or even using light tanks to zoom through

[violet maple]

how do i get japan to leave co prosperity sphere and join the axis? urgent please i need to have all of the world under the axis faction

[austere roost]

justify war goal on them, conquer them

[violet maple]

i need them to join

not conquer

[austere roost]

spgs and tds are superior to regular tanks and "high level players" use heavy because that's mp. In sp medium is king

[austere roost]

you can make them puppets

otherwise you can't because the faction doesn't dissolve

[violet maple]

good idea

im gonna slime japan now

[deft latch]

SPGs and TDs are better in general or primarily in singleplayer?

[austere roost]

in general

[deft latch]

i feel like i rarely see SPGs and TDs in MP games

[austere roost]

cuz you're seeing old videos

you need heavy tds in mp games

[deft latch]

i assume they uses heavies in MP because fortlines?

[vernal knoll]

guys what is the most good way to counter-attack germany as austria?

[deft latch]

or maybe even like the mods they use boost factory count

[austere roost]

also "high level play" in mp means nothing because different rules mean different playstyles

[austere roost]

no because you need the stats

[deft latch]

just fishing for highest stats possible?

so to make sure i understand this

1. SPGs and TDs are superior than just tanks
2. In Singleplayer, mediums are best cuz they can deal with everything the AI throws at you
3. In Multiplayer, heavies are best cuz you need highest stats possible against another player

[austere roost]

Yeah kind of

[vernal knoll]

someone?

[austere roost]

Armor variants are better now because they require less in each battalion and can get buffs from both artillery and armor subdoctrines

[deft latch]

what makes running SPGs and TDs superior to standard tanks?

the specialization is better?

[austere roost]

I literally just told you

[deft latch]

okay but im interpretting armor variants

as all armor types

including regular tanks

[austere roost]

No

Armor variants are non regular tank armor

[deft latch]

so it requires less but gives more

as in it requires less SPGs in a template than with regular tanks but it gives equal or higher stats

not as resource intensive ?

[glacial steeple]

i feel like playing iran do you guys have any tips and tricks and stuff

probably will go communist not rlly looking to expand necessarily

[scenic salmon]

Trying to do paratroopers, what specialization path is best? trying to cap Japan

[austere roost]

yes, you can compare that in your template designer

[raw magnet]

What about med tanks divs?

[austere roost]

you get more soft/hard attack at the cost of breakthrough but breakthrough doesn't really matter once you reach a certain level

[austere roost]

check pin

[deft latch]

@austere roost in MP do people run templates composed of entirely SPGs and TDs

or is SPG and TD in tank templates

[austere roost]

no one uses spgs in mp

you need hard attack in mp to defeat the other guy's tanks

but i don't play mp so that's all i can tell you

[deft latch]

okey

well thanks for the help

[dusty sandal]

there are builds for it : against new mass mob sov air gamble and against DDay units (anti marines designs)

[jade tulip]

if Im going for economical growth, should I cancel mefo bills or not?

[violet maple]

hey guys

is there a mod that changes puppet names

like if i uppet france as germany

is there a mod that instead of naming it "german france" it names it "french state"

or if i puppet a country aas a non-aligned country (monarchy) it renames the country to "kingdom of ______"

[dusty sandal]

it cancels it by default

[jade tulip]

alr

never did eco growth before so Im asking

[vital plinth]

Im playing a puppet as British raj but i dont have any resseach facitly like the major powers should i build later in 1939 to get flame thrower and engineer tank ? Or should I build one now ? It will take a while before i get breakthrough

[trail reef]

how can i raise faction manifest

[violet maple]

is there theoritically a way to make poland hand over danzig?

[glacial steeple]

yes

theres a path for it too

2 even

[violet maple]

no

not danzing for slovakia

the other one

"danzig or war"

[glacial steeple]

1 in althist side and danzig for slovakia

[glacial steeple]

theyre meant to deny that one

[violet maple]

i saw somebody who did it and poland accepted

wait

let me find the SS

[glacial steeple]

okay?

it doesnt happen with hist ai on theyre coded to deny

[violet maple]

so if historical is off then you could get danzig

[light knoll]

why are you defaulting to assuming people play with hist ai on smh

[trail reef]

how can i raise faction manifest

[glacial steeple]

if you play germany you play historical ai

thats how it goes

[light knoll]

i play Germany and don't play historical ai

[vital plinth]

Im playing a puppet as British raj but i dont have any resseach facitly like the major powers should i build later in 1939 to get flame thrower and engineer tank ? Or should I build one now ? It will take a while before i get breakthrough?

[glad nacelle]

im buying the game for the first time today. ive never played any type of strategy game like this b4 and this one looks very complicated and overwhelming. does anyone have any tips or advice for someone like me just so i can sort of understand wtf is going on and what im doing lol

[glacial steeple]

theres tutorials for that which are like an hour long :>

to get to know the buttons

[tepid umbra]

there's also other, more advanced tutorials

that are also an hour long

[trail reef]

how can i raise faction manifest

[glacial steeple]

the combat one is 5 minutes

so not all

[tepid umbra]

complete faction goals

[buoyant cargo]

hey guys I have most of dlc's but in Germany I am missing a focus which is called "An alliance with the shade" to make alliance with UK as German Empire. So, what DLC am I missing?

[wet crater]

I dont understand how to make flame tanks

The support company I mean

I did the project for flamethrower tanks and military engineering vehicles

[glacial steeple]

make a tank design and designate it as flame tank

[wet crater]

And that unlocks the support company?

[glacial steeple]

yes

lights are paradroppable

heavies suck

mediums have best terrain buffs

and break

[wet crater]

Follow up to that, what does a good tank for that support company look like

Since I am only really using them for that

[glacial steeple]

wait one minute

[tepid umbra]

that's what you think...

[tepid umbra]

build for high breakthrough

but make sure to keep it kinda cheap

[wet crater]

So high breakthrough on relatively low cost?

[tepid umbra]

having low military factories on flame tanks is pretty easy usually unless you build them wrong

[wet crater]

I am assuming lights are best for this?

[tepid umbra]

no

mediums

[wet crater]

Still mediums

[tepid umbra]

yuh

lights lack the stats mediums do

[tepid umbra]

and you can keep mediums cheap

[tepid umbra]

casey should I do light tanks for my dockyard soviet build

[glacial steeple]

do what you feel like doing witth your like 50 mils

[wet crater]

I only have the medium interwar chassis

[tepid umbra]

nuh uh

[glacial steeple]

thats perfectly fine

[tepid umbra]

33 from the start 😭

[tired spade]

Can someone help me with wojtek

[glacial steeple]

do you have more?

[tepid umbra]

less prolly ✌️

[glacial steeple]

well yeah but tannu tuva, baltics, finland

[wet crater]

Still worth making a design? I assume I can retrofit these

[glacial steeple]

youll get more

eastern poland

[tepid umbra]

I hardly play soviets so i'll mess up baltics and shi

[glacial steeple]

you cant convert but interwar chassis is fine

[glacial steeple]

do collabs

[wet crater]

Derpy recommended a bunch of support companies last night but I cant find the message

[tepid umbra]

I already screwed up 🔥

forgot to make an intel agency 🥶

[glacial steeple]

we should do it in mp fr

[tepid umbra]

highkey tho 👀

the sub 3 soviet build WILL succeed

[regal ginkgo]

Whats the best way to learn the game?

Always been interested in jt but i didnt understand anything...

[glacial steeple]

ill play iran to support you

[tepid umbra]

play mongolia

you got asia I get europe

[glacial steeple]

iran is better

gen

it gets stuff

like communism

[tepid umbra]

yeah but

it's lamer

[glacial steeple]

yeah

thats why id play it

[tepid umbra]

imagine how aura it would be to say you had a successful mongolia playthrough

[glacial steeple]

i think i tried like

10? games pre NCNS

ahist ai, ironman

mengkukuo

didnt get a single successful world conquest but did puppet italy once

[tepid umbra]

not mengkukuo

pure mongolia

you can play sinkiang 🔥

[buoyant cargo]

Anyone knows what DLC I am missing?

[regal ginkgo]

Should i just try and continue playing?

[tepid umbra]

I learned just from playing

but I know this can be quite frustrating for most people

[buoyant cargo]

We all learned from playing the game.

[glacial steeple]

bad

[regal ginkgo]

Okay then, ill just play. Thanks

[tepid umbra]

there are some guides in the pins if you want to learn more without slamming your head against a wall

[tepid umbra]

exactly

that's the point 🔥

[regal ginkgo]

Ill check them out

[glacial steeple]

iran better so when uk invades i can make your life worse

counterpoint

[tepid umbra]

please no

[buoyant cargo]

When you get bored you can start with German civil war directly. remove the army before civil war starts and deploy 11 divs and sign all to generals and marshal and try to win the war. But everything will take time

[tepid umbra]

I wanna do a uk invasion if I can manage to cap germany

[glacial steeple]

lowkey i can solo allies but still

[tepid umbra]

since then I can put the navy to good use

[glacial steeple]

ive been playing some iran games

i think i got about 40 inf out by late 39?

like 18w supp arty trash inf

[regal ginkgo]

Ill try to, thanks

[tepid umbra]

😮‍💨

[tired spade]

Apprantly wake the tiger

[tepid umbra]

the free one?

[tired spade]

Dunno that's all I could find out

[glacial steeple]

ah

its only available without gotterdammerung on i think?

otherwise its called something else afaik

[rotund quiver]

I just bought hoi4 whats the best way to learn this stuff looks so complicated and hard to get into it

[neat widget]

multiplayer tanks ftw

[inner sparrow]

mp tank gif and the designs on it aren’t even optimised 💔

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-hump-gif-8365220540763799433

[glacial steeple]

its russian

[inner sparrow]

explains a lot

[glacial steeple]

its the best memey image i have thats also a guide

all of them SUCK

[hard quartz]

Play till failure and address your mistakes

[stuck garnet]

Can someone pleease help me figure out how to actually spend my downtime

[ripe escarp]

any tips on how to make my navy actually reach the us or mxican coasts?

[scenic nacelle]

have fun

maybe the gym

read a book

clean up stuff

idk

[stuck garnet]

thats not what i meant 😭

i have no life ❤️

[scenic nacelle]

what else is it supposed to mean

guh

[stuck garnet]

like in game

mf

when im not at war

[stuck garnet]

"guh" im friending you

[scenic nacelle]

sure 🔥

[neat widget]

watch chainsaw man /s

but seriously probably planning what division templates you have and grinding xp + mastery

[glacial steeple]

read some books

study

watch slop videos

[stuck garnet]

yeah fair

wait is division templates more important than doctrines

[glacial steeple]

no

most important are your battle modifiers

[wintry rover]

Can you help me with my owb playthrough?

[tropic seal]

get doctrines early, send attaches to level them. then do your div templates

[ripe escarp]

try meeting new people. Sometimes new friends rly help to motivate us. Keep the head busy. If you have a productive hobby like drawing, cooking or idk

[stuck garnet]

why are you giving me life advice in a hoi4 discord server

[ripe escarp]

anyone?

[ripe escarp]

[wintry rover]

can someone please help me with my owb

[tropic seal]

Only solution is to capture a closer port. I know there's doctrines and design choices to increase range though but unless if you want to overhaul your navy then thats the only choice you have

[errant chasm]

Okay if you want the serious answer planning your industry/research/mio

If not then speed up the time

[tropic seal]

Yeah I always play on 5x speed when not at war

[stuck garnet]

planning my industry? communist 😡 /j / j/j /j/

[ripe escarp]

dang; I dont think there are closer ports tho. I alr control hawaii

[stuck garnet]

its helpful tho ty

[ripe escarp]

np. gl bro!

[stuck garnet]

no bronouns 😔

[gilded plover]

go on dates

[neat widget]

division templates don't work nearly as well (or don't work at all) without doctrines

[tropic seal]

A hoi4 player?

[errant chasm]

I also forgot production too. That is crucial to the game.

[gilded plover]

i did go to many dates

me

as a hoi 4 player

:D

[tropic seal]

I know, I was just joking lol

[carmine thunder]

ive been larped

[tropic seal]

How have you not only failed to cap france

But you've somehow gotten whooped

Ah wait maybe they liberated france

Historical germany ru

run

[errant chasm]

Damn i see Anarchist spain

[neat widget]

oof

also what's happening in sweden

[carmine thunder]

Sweden was on backstabbing path and expected me to let them into the faction with open arms when they did backstab me

[neat widget]

Oof

[celest shuttle]

hi everyone i cant fix this, -48% recuit population factor

i try to find in focus tree

but dont see any focus to fix all this one

it make me low manpower

pls help 😄

[vital plinth]

Is there any or much difference from 45% stabitly and 90% ?

[wise roost]

Well certain buff

[tropic seal]

Anyone got a naval bomber template

[wraith patrol]

why is there no ask for expeditonary forces button im playing as USA allied with UK at war with germany yet i cant do it? The achievement is screwing me over

[tropic seal]

you mean send volunteers?

or what

[wraith patrol]

no

expeditionary forces

you need to recieve 50 expeditonary forces from the UK for the achievement under eisenhower

[patent pulsar]

What is an mio's "task capacity?"

[balmy dawn]

Is there a "consensus" on the best Doctrines/Sub-Doctrines? Our man, Bitt3rsteel, on youtube hasn't said anything. I think it used me to "Grand Battleplan - Mass Mobility". What are folks doing today?

[tepid umbra]

not really a "consensus", but there's a few main choices

[balmy dawn]

Care to share? :p

[tepid umbra]

for land grand doctrines, it's usually either grand battleplan or superior firepower

gbp is very itty bitty slightly better, but superior firepower is equally as viable

for the infantry subdoctrine, individual excellence is usually what you want to go for

[balmy dawn]

Air Doctrines are pretty strait forward for me. I go back and forth on the Naval ones.. I'm definitely a Fleet in Being guy, but Im not sure where to land on Capital ships

[tepid umbra]

I have no clue

I mostly use sub 3s or light cruisers, so idk about capital ships

[neat widget]

focuses and i believe for china army modernization decisions

[neat widget]

isn't fleet in being the big capital ship doctrine?

[tepid umbra]

I believe

pretty sure trade interdiction is better too idk tho

[balmy dawn]

I can't ever get subs to do anything for me. And, conversely, AI subs are like gods, so I basically put all of my naval effort into defeating them

[tepid umbra]

the best way to counter subs is usually either sub-counter destroyers or naval bombers

to get subs to do stuff, I just wait til I get sub 3s, strap all the torpedos on, and send them out in the most convoy rich regions

[balmy dawn]

Ive been doing more with naval bombers. Just gotta find the IC and time to fit them into the schedule, ya know?

[tepid umbra]

I usually stick 10 mils on them when I unlock them, and that'll get me enough for basically the whole game

10 mils out of like 120 or so idk

[balmy dawn]

I'm bad. I can't help but make at least one SH Battleship... I know they're dreadfully inefficient, but they're just wonderful

[wraith patrol]

i am a bit uninformed on the meta but I always go mobile warfare and then assault inf, self propelled supports ( i always do spg tanks so if u dont then dont do that) streamlined deployment and Deep battle]

[tepid umbra]

self propelled supports is definitely a must if you use spgs

[balmy dawn]

When you say SPG.. you mean SP Artillery?

[wraith patrol]

i think grand assault is better

[tepid umbra]

mobile warfare, i'd say, is not great

[wraith patrol]

than deep battle

[wraith patrol]

i like the speed since i always play tanks on every nation (undless its a crappy minor achievement run)

[tepid umbra]

I mean so do I

I usually just make tanks that don't need speed

[wraith patrol]

?

[tepid umbra]

like

tanks with very high stats

[versed rose]

10% planning 20% coordination > 10% speed

[tepid umbra]

but low speed

[tepid umbra]

also mobile warfare locks the 5th batallion slot behind tank doctrine

[wraith patrol]

this is my tank template its not as i would make it if i had more care or the need too, sp is too easy and im the us. but this is usually what i do

[tepid umbra]

which is not an easy one to max out

[versed rose]

there is no reason to do mobile warfare if you're doing tanks since the stats it gives are irrelevant, and subdoctrines are interchangeable for grand doctrines so there isnt really a point to mobile warfare unless you're doing some light tank build for subsidized contracts spirit

[wraith patrol]

ig

i'll try out gbp next run

[tepid umbra]

I usually have 4.0 speed, way less reliability, and spgs

also way less ic

[wraith patrol]

this is my tank divs

[tepid umbra]

36 width is meta btw

also why not just make the whole thing spgs?

[wraith patrol]

bro those arent tanks its js strongr infantry

[wraith patrol]

why would i

[tepid umbra]

huh

[balmy dawn]

Sorry.. old fart here. When say 36 is "meta"... what do you mean?

[tepid umbra]

infantry is geared towards defense

tanks are supposed to be very high offense to punch holes

[tepid umbra]

better stats

saves xp

[wraith patrol]

this is my inf, it js walks through tiles on offense

[tepid umbra]

meta means "most effective tactic available" or sumn along that line

basically it means very good

[versed rose]

36-39 really, with the stat creep from ncns, overwidth penalty is a myth

[tepid umbra]

yeesh

[tepid umbra]

fair

although that's really depending on where you're fighting

[versed rose]

wanna stay below 40 so forest isnt cooked, but other than that, fit as much stats as you can

[tepid umbra]

as the us i'd say it'd be fine

[wraith patrol]

there are combat width reductions from some doctrines i think

[wraith patrol]

ive only recently learned the value of field hospitals

[balmy dawn]

omg..as an acronym.

I'm about to start yelling at you all to get off my lawn.

[tepid umbra]

those doctrines either aren't very good, or are for SFs, which you don't appear to be SF cheesing

[wraith patrol]

sf?

[tepid umbra]

special forces

[wraith patrol]

i rarely find myself needing special forces unless its late game wc achievement

[tepid umbra]

they're very good

if you know how to use them, i'd reccomend it

esp considering those tank stats aren't amazing 💔

[wraith patrol]

theyre great

[tepid umbra]

this?

[wraith patrol]

im also 1 star through all land doctrines

[tepid umbra]

this?

[wraith patrol]

it already grew its js afk time

[wraith patrol]

the armor is fine

[tepid umbra]

what year is it

[wraith patrol]

42

[tepid umbra]

bro

[versed rose]

i know you didnt ask for help but i thought i'd share it so anyone lurking would know. (Also im not going to hate on the line arty, you can do w/e you want) but width-wise, you want to stay below 20 for inf, so river forest battles arent completely awful for you (you can only fit 1div on battles in forest + river, or forest + any width reduction tactic)

[tepid umbra]

you can get like 2k soft attack and some high amount of breakthrough (highk forgot) by like 41

[tight flicker]

to the 3 people that replied to this I js woke up

will take this into action

until then ill js hold a front line

supply is so annoyin

[wraith patrol]

ehhh in sp i find the difference between using line arty and not is js ur industry

[versed rose]

no, it really isnt

if you want real specifics on why line arty is bad, modifiers are garbage for it

its scaling also sucks compared to just guns

[neat widget]

don't overcomplicate your tank divisions

[versed rose]

im not going to hate on you using it, you can play how you want, but you shouldn't lock yourself into thinking the only reason to not use it is industry

[neat widget]

you don't need both tanks and spgs in your division in 99% of cases

[tight flicker]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=french&id=2141885565 are these good templates yall?

i use this as a baseline to build my divisions all the time

[wraith patrol]

is there any consequences from all spgs?

[tepid umbra]

I read this a while ago, I think it might be a bit out of date

[tepid umbra]

no

[neat widget]

no

[tepid umbra]

infact, it's kinda better

[tight flicker]

oh ;-;

[neat widget]

you just have less breakthrough and more soft attack

by the way

don't do 40 width of course

[tepid umbra]

some of it's fine

[tight flicker]

i just need sth to refer to while building divisions and templates and tanks/planes, cause I only play singleplayer

[tepid umbra]

but a lot of it is kinda out of date

[wraith patrol]

ik its js the way the game updates the way i use to play is more outdated

[tepid umbra]

like this

[tight flicker]

and im too lazy to build my own div templates

[tight flicker]

OH :_:

[versed rose]

not just out of date, this thing was bad when it came out

[tight flicker]

im cooked

[tight flicker]

this is the backbone of my tanks

[tepid umbra]

you don't have to still

[tepid umbra]

it's not HORRIBLE

just

not amazing

[wraith patrol]

bro that division is terrible

[tight flicker]

oh

[tepid umbra]

this one looks like your tanks bruh

[tight flicker]

okay

[wraith patrol]

i dont know which dlc made 40 width so bad but im used to this

[tepid umbra]

main problem is:
1: spg and tank mixing, not really a need to
2: only one support company (and that was not a mistake on their part)
3: motorized is worse than mechanized

[wraith patrol]

it has 0 support companies. Mine are always up to date

[tight flicker]

is there any sites i can refer to?

[wraith patrol]

i always use some variaton of this

[tepid umbra]

pins

of this channel

[wraith patrol]

field hospitals are too good to pass up nowadays

[tight flicker]

oh nc

[tepid umbra]

I rarely use them in my tanks

sometimes I don't use them at all

[tight flicker]

damn thats alot of support companies

[versed rose]

you should use them on tanks if you're gonna use them at all

[tepid umbra]

5 support companies for tanks is usually good

[versed rose]

veterancy is the single largest stat boost in the game

[tepid umbra]

I can't be bothered to research more support company techs 🤷

[wraith patrol]

Armored variants of the usually ones is always better

[tepid umbra]

not always actually 🤓

but like basically always

[formal python]

"New Officers: guaranteed to begin with either Politically Connected Politically Connected or Media Personality Media Personality traits"
This is the from the Political Loyalty spirit. Does the New Officers refer to Generals?

[wraith patrol]

Im going to test out the theory of only spgs

[tight flicker]

yo so for these templates shld i use motorized first then upgrade to mechanized

[wraith patrol]

its a bit crude

[tepid umbra]

the tests have been done if you check pins

this is a good tank design

[versed rose]

use cavalry or camels

motorized is garbage

[wraith patrol]

the 4 off from 40 pisses me off

[tepid umbra]

i'd add signals/logistics, and maybe drop the recon tho

[tight flicker]

bet

[wraith patrol]

u dont need recon

[tepid umbra]

anything above 36 pmo tbh

[wraith patrol]

signal and logi are needed

[tepid umbra]

signal can be swapped for recon

you were the one advocating for speed, recon gives huge speed buffs

[tight flicker]

i forgot to invest in med tank destroyers

[versed rose]

tank recon is the single best support company in the game rn

[tepid umbra]

good

[versed rose]

no reason not to use it

[tepid umbra]

don't

[wraith patrol]

its worse than armored signal?

[versed rose]

no

[tepid umbra]

tank destroyers are especially useful in multiplayer

[versed rose]

you cant design armored signal tanks

[balmy dawn]

Does Amphib count for Combined Arms Expert? I imagine it does...

[versed rose]

you can design armored recon tanks

[tepid umbra]

but in multiplayer, you'll be using heavies anyways

[versed rose]

you get more stats out of armored recon than out of armored signal,

[wraith patrol]

Less initiative no?

[tepid umbra]

amtracs are mecha I believe

[balmy dawn]

That's my assumption....

[versed rose]

initiative is less important for attacking divs, but armored recon and armored signal arent even mutually exclusive

[wraith patrol]

Its js u always need flame tanks and logistics and field hospitals

the last 2 is always hard to choose

[versed rose]

you dont always need logi

[tepid umbra]

you don't always need logistics

it's very very very useful

but a handful of situations, it is not necessary

[tepid umbra]

especially on spgs

supply gobblers bro istg 💔

[wraith patrol]

i often find myself having 2 or 3 armies of tanks so i need less supply consumption

[tepid umbra]

you can always upgrade your logistics network

or have less tanks on the fronts

[wraith patrol]

u tell me that you never forget to do that or are too lazy to do it

[tepid umbra]

if your supply is getting gobbled, you're allowed to pull back a bit

[tepid umbra]

I never make 2-3 armies of tanks

I win before I even can

[wraith patrol]

Most achievements take forever

late game lag is a curse

you have to do world conq to fasten it up

[serene karma]

Use mech once u get it

[tepid umbra]

once I do what I was planning on doing that run, I close it

[wraith patrol]

"most achievement runs take forever"

[tepid umbra]

just play faster 🥶

[wraith patrol]

u cant as usa

or atleast as democratic

[tight flicker]

yall uh is this enough supply

my guys are dying of attrition and heat stroke

[wraith patrol]

why are you going up the nile?

[tight flicker]

cause cairo must fall

;-;

[wraith patrol]

what happened to the libya front

[tight flicker]

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

it kinda got

conquered

so im kinda

conquering it back

[wraith patrol]

how do you even have supply

[tight flicker]

supply hub from capital

[wraith patrol]

ah yes the puppet

without the puppet ud be dead

[tight flicker]

which one

[wraith patrol]

italian east africa?

[tight flicker]

ive only got italian ethiopia

as a puppet

this is the african front as of now

[wraith patrol]

the puppet must be giving you supply

[tight flicker]

ive got italian yugoslavia as a puppet

[tight flicker]

ye

and this is the mainland

[wraith patrol]

how do u own romania

[wraith patrol]

u need to take gibraltar immediately and then invade uk through norwich and ipswich

[tight flicker]

when i declared against greece romania had a gurantee

so when i conquered greece romania attacked

and then I used to have a faction called the italian league with bulgaria and my puppets

so it was pretty easy

[wraith patrol]

did u build up navy?

[tight flicker]

ill try my best

[tight flicker]

I ignored the navy for the whole playthrough

[wraith patrol]

https://klipy.com/gifs/riddler-paul-dano

[tight flicker]

im done for arent i

[wraith patrol]

no it js means its gonna be a 1945 end game

[tight flicker]

oh

[tepid umbra]

barbarossa of doom and despair

[tight flicker]

lmfao

[wraith patrol]

Navy is much more confusing do the moronic new update but the fundamentals are the same except patrol is meta

[tepid umbra]

it's not really that more confusing

they only changed a handful of mechanics

[wraith patrol]

for me it was until i realized patrol button better

[tepid umbra]

and all the explanations for the changes are right there above the buttons

[tepid umbra]

"better" and it's just the only way to make naval dominance

and it also tells you exactly that

[wraith patrol]

most ppl dont read the fine print

[tight flicker]

its so confusing so ive just ignored it

[hearty wolf]

eh u still do the same w the usa

[tight flicker]

only think i know is patrol right click immediate naval dominance

[tepid umbra]

basically:

patrol makes dominance

[hearty wolf]

js throw everything on patrol and wait till japan dies

[tepid umbra]

strike force multiplies it

[vital plinth]

Can anyone help me what kind of template for infantry is best for invading ? It’s from India to other countries

[tepid umbra]

convoy raiding subtracts enemy dominance

that's all you really need to know

[tight flicker]

this was in the past before i joined the axis, i planned to strike yemen and secure the middle east after that

[wraith patrol]

Build patrol navies and strike force navies (they can be identical)

[tepid umbra]

do you have enough special forces cap?

[tepid umbra]

the "navies" are just light cruisers btw

you can do more

but light cruisers are good enough

[wraith patrol]

If i can, I do destroyers LC's and carriers

If im a poor nation js destroyers LC's and HC's

[tepid umbra]

I do js LCs cuz I need more dockyards for my beautiful sub 3s

[tepid umbra]

don't make HCs

they kinda suck

[hearty wolf]

if u can afford it u might as well throw hcs in there

js to screen the carriers

if the screens die

[tepid umbra]

make battleships

[tepid umbra]

they won't if made properly

[wraith patrol]

terrible idea

[tepid umbra]

and if used early enough

[hearty wolf]

well yeah i assume its sp so they never will

but u might as well if u got extra ic

[wraith patrol]

How do i get more faction influence its 1942 and axis and japan are both ded im usa

this mechanic pisses me off

[tepid umbra]

easiest way is the manpower contribution

did you put in a facility in there?

[tepid umbra]

it's pretty simple

[wraith patrol]

facility?

[tepid umbra]

you can hover over your part of the pichart and their part of the pichart

[tepid umbra]

in the research section

[vital plinth]

It’s for my basic infantry

[wraith patrol]

js made one

[vital plinth]

I don’t know what template is best to make for an infantry

[tepid umbra]

oh

[wraith patrol]

what else?

[tepid umbra]

9 infantry, 0 artillery

[wraith patrol]

Do i js start shitting out divs?

[tepid umbra]

oh

[tepid umbra]

I meant to say scrap it

[vital plinth]

What I had last time

[tepid umbra]

like take it out

[tepid umbra]

yeah that's fine

[vital plinth]

But I need something good for invasion lot of mountains etc

[tepid umbra]

go to the army section

[wraith patrol]

so dont do faction research?

[vital plinth]

No artilly lines ?

[wraith patrol]

military operations?

[tepid umbra]

the facilities let you complete special projects really quickly

but it gives anyone who puts in scientists HUGE contribution

[tepid umbra]

no

[wraith patrol]

I would suggest field hospitals (if you can afford it ofc)

[tepid umbra]

prolly not as india

[wraith patrol]

ok in the mil ops

now what do i do

[vital plinth]

Im a major power now as India

[wraith patrol]

Im already giving mp

[tepid umbra]

what's your manpower contribution at

[vital plinth]

Building up rapidly

[tepid umbra]

is it a requirement?

[wraith patrol]

yes

[tepid umbra]

change the rules so that it's not

[vital plinth]

Il hit my peak around 1942-43

[tepid umbra]

and then leave it at max

[wraith patrol]

is there nothing else to do?

[tepid umbra]

the uk will prolly put the rule back

so make sure to turn it off again

lastly:
wait

[wraith patrol]

if i start spamming inf divs will that help

will invading the soviets also help

[tepid umbra]

likely not

[tepid umbra]

definitely

if you do most of the work

[vital plinth]

@tepid umbra is there a way to speed up the time for justifying war goal I find it confusing why it increase or decrease in time to wait xd

[tepid umbra]

like it'll help a ton

[tepid umbra]

focuses, ideology, world tension, and if you're at war

[wraith patrol]

ok

So theres nothing i can do?

Besides invading soviets

[tepid umbra]

the main 3 ways of changing that pi chart is:
Contribution from facilities (pretty annoying to do as a player in an AI faction)
manpower contribution (basically free as long as you keep the required rule off)
war score contribution (invade, get high war participation, win, yk the deal)

[wraith patrol]

currently im the leader

Is that enough?

[tepid umbra]

there's a few other but idk

[wraith patrol]

i js start researching stuff ?

[tepid umbra]

get rid of that facility you have unless you want norway, iceland, and belgium getting a ton of contribution

[wraith patrol]

oh

[tepid umbra]

sorry if I didn't communicate that well i'm stupid ✌️

[topaz igloo]

I couldent take out the pocket for so long, how could i have done it faster?

[tepid umbra]

doesn't calais have a port or am I tripping

[tepid umbra]

tanks and air

and take out any ports

[topaz igloo]

No its werid and i did but the pocket stayed for a good 5 months

[tepid umbra]

sounds like your tanks aren't strong enough

or your air isn't strong enough

or they did have a port

[topaz igloo]

Ye theye had a port and dunkerque i took it but they prob had air supply or smtn

That was my 2nd best german save

My first i won

[wraith patrol]

I found a loophole to invade soviets but it says i have truce yet i do not?

[tepid umbra]

do you have a soviet truce?

[wraith patrol]

no

i never fought soviets

[tepid umbra]

idk 🤷

oh

have you tried justifying first

[wraith patrol]

waiting 155 days

So since i have no fulfillment

i claimed spymaster

[topaz igloo]

I think maybe their faction member was in war wit you so they joined or its just cuz the sovs and hungary are on the same faction

[tepid umbra]

oh yeah that's good

[topaz igloo]

Mb nvm

[tepid umbra]

it takes an initiative but gives a free spyslot

[wraith patrol]

It gave me 9 spy slots but i dont see how it will give me better contribution

[tepid umbra]

it won't

it'll give you more spy slots tho 🔥

[wraith patrol]

as a democratic country.. which cant do collabs

[tepid umbra]

resistance lowering is still useful, right?

plus spies give a very small combat buff

[wraith patrol]

my occupation of germany and japan is more or less peaceful

I killed many of them so ig they fear me

[tepid umbra]

weren't you js boutta fight soviets

[wraith patrol]

I will

but thats gonna take a bit

imma try and nuke soviets

this is such bs i thought this could give me points

dutch east indies is more important than usa though

[wraith patrol]

is there any way i can remove the other countries scientists

Im getting screwed over here

[tepid umbra]

oh that thing doesn't give points

it gives buffs

[tepid umbra]

no

[wraith patrol]

DEI is getting insane contribution

im forced to restart if soviet invasion doesnt give enough contribution

stupid mechanics

[topaz igloo]

How do u make a better navy

[vital plinth]

What is cofederation? Afganistan ask for some of my land as that ?

[wraith patrol]

bUild LC"s HC;s and destroyers

@topaz igloo

[topaz igloo]

Ok

I did sealion by doing that one time

[wraith patrol]

Js paradrop

[topaz igloo]

I didnt have paratroopers sadly

[tepid umbra]

what're you tryna do

[tepid umbra]

no

[tepid umbra]

build light cruisers

[tepid umbra]

oh

lol

what are the steps you need for faction leader

[wraith patrol]

35% contribution

[celest shuttle]

Hi if i dont follow the fasist way i cant cancel nine power treaty ?

[vital plinth]

Can someone help me I’m trying to best Afganistan and doing very low damage even with tanks and mountainairs idk what I’m doing wrong they have so high defense this is very wierd

I don’t know how to fight in these mountain tiles so hard

[sudden marsh]

I might be missing something, but why is my fuel still going down? I'm using litterally everything I have to buy it of the US and my needs still aren't being met?

[vital plinth]

The fuel is to the left side what your buying is coal

Oil drop is fuel

[sudden marsh]

OH MY GOD

I'M SO STUPID

[vital plinth]

It happens we all still lewbrknh

Learning

[sudden marsh]

Thank you for dealing with my incompetence

[vital plinth]

A lot I haven’t understood yet

[sudden marsh]

Should've checked before asking

[fathom grove]

hey does anyone know what bonuses bulgaria gets and what doctrine/tech i should do as bulgaria? ie mechanized/motorised or tanks or infantry or whatever

[vital plinth]

I have no cas right now so idk what to do if I did it entirely wrong

[fathom grove]

no bulgaria experts

[meager jungle]

use this

its okay if you dont have armored rangers or flame tank

its better to have tho

[tepid umbra]

if you make mountaineers like that, go for 36 width iirc

[vital plinth]

Ok I try

[vital plinth]

Ok il try

I see India have focus that gives buffs in mountain il try find some

I can’t increase my war support tho recently bit annoying

[queen lake]

not for afghanistan since you are fighting in mountains

[wet crater]

How do i get non aligned finland out of the axis

The kick option is greyed out

Is there any way to force them out?

[glacial steeple]

cheats or no?

[wet crater]

No

This is an ironman save

Similar issue with iraq

Since I was planning to conquer the world

But i cant attack those two since, they are in my faction

Could i dismantle the axis to force them out?

[glacial steeple]

should?

[wet crater]

Maybe

I cant find the button to do that

Though I dont plan to do that until the very end

I want the faction buffs until then

[neat widget]

depends if you're fighting in mountains or not

[fathom grove]

is mission type tactics in gbp the meta?

[neat widget]

no

typically rapid domination or grand assault

[fathom grove]

thanks

[violet maple]

wwhats the best doctrine

i always go mobile warfaare but idk if its good

[austere roost]

MW has been the worst at least since nsb was released

Gbp and sf are best now

[celest shuttle]

Hi when u play china new DLC do u have anyway to capture all warlord fast ?

[wraith forum]

I have been playing hoi4 for 1/2 weeks and I am struggling against ussr.

[neat widget]

grand battleplan

or superior firepower if you're solely defending

[neat widget]

how many factories do you have, both civs and mils?

[rustic canyon]

why does my cas have 0 ground attack, the bomb bay should have given it 8

[glacial steeple]

its like the worst pick but its chill

[glacial steeple]

click on adjusters, close air support mission

[sweet summit]

chat

[karmic lintel]

use bomb locks

[neat widget]

more like hover

[opaque garden]

why am i losing the battle?

[wet crater]

I figured out the reason was a faction rule

I removed it

And now i can kick them as I see fit

World conquest time

[wraith forum]

I wasn’t on my phone
Ill check in a bit and tell you

[rustic canyon]

is planning still the worst stat for a general while attack is best

even if im using grand battleplan

[wraith forum]

183 mil
190 civ

[elder wren]

How can I get good Naval Dominance? I'm playing as Italy & I'm trying to invade the U.K but lack enough naval dominance in the NORTH* Sea to be able to pull any land invasions off successfully.

[native gorge]

dis good?

[native gorge]

Just kill off their navy

Which isn't an easy task in the slightest but if you have time to build a fleet I can direct you to some really good templates

[elder wren]

I have time, France is already gone so in the mean time I've just been building up.

[native gorge]

Bet

Gimme a moment

[native gorge]

#ask-for-help-here message

You can make do without carriers

The rest alone shreds any navy

And the spotters find the ships so fast it's insane

[elder wren]

thank you