ask-for-help-here

[glacial steeple]

the US focus tree is from Man the Guns

2018

maybe 2019?

i forgot

[glass hinge]

how can i win against china as japan?

[jolly harness]

guys

why the allies guarantee below 25% world tension

[dusty sandal]

some countries start with guarantees
other get some by focuses

[jolly harness]

no i was justifying poland and netherlands

it was below 25%

[hollow linden]

It works differently now. They just guarantee when they can iirc

[jolly harness]

bruh

[hollow linden]

Idk faction rules are weird

[jolly harness]

i hate this

[hollow linden]

Just go to war anyway

U need the war

[jolly harness]

ik

i just want to get their navies quick

thx anyways

[light knoll]

its a faction rule the uk often adds

its rng tho

if they pick that faction rule

and they lose some stab from it

[karmic terrace]

Forgot to say thank tou

You

[flint cypress]

I said that not really, still trying to learn(when we were talking about AC3)

[glacial steeple]

its not a good learning unit lol

[solar kayak]

brethren

i am czechia

[left mica]

get more divisions and pray

[flint cypress]

Dang

[glacial steeple]

it cant be that hard

[flint cypress]

Modifiers then?

[left mica]

me when im 100k guns short for no reason

[glacial steeple]

red bad green good

[flint cypress]

Ahh what

[left mica]

actually in chinese culture its red good green bad

[solar kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-credit-social-уважение-плюс-уважение-gif-1626328442317885176

[hollow linden]

🤓 👆

[flint cypress]

I mean like do I raise the speed to maximum or

Same with reliability

etc etc

[hollow linden]

Neither

Both are fake stats

Well speed is less so

But rel is straight up useless

[flint cypress]

So I raise speed only or just start the production line

[hollow linden]

Wdym "raise speed"

Oh you don't have nsb

No don't do either, just upgrade gun and be done

[flint cypress]

nsb??

[hollow linden]

The tank dlc

[flint cypress]

I have it

[hollow linden]

So what do you mean by raise speed?

[flint cypress]

Doesn't it the thing that allows to change the guns, change the tracks etc etc

[hollow linden]

The tank designer, yes

[flint cypress]

Increase the speed

[hollow linden]

Yes it does but what for

Speed isnt that important

[flint cypress]

Armored Car 3

[hollow linden]

Oml

[serene karma]

[hollow linden]

Ok can I get someone that speaks english

[serene karma]

Dont use armored cars unless meme builds

Also dont use space marines

Speed is an ok stat in sp and reliability is also not as important

[solar kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[flint cypress]

I am just a sort of new guys

[quiet kraken]

can anyone tell me if i can get the start in a sertain ussr country (georgia) and how

[flint cypress]

Ahh

I think no, but you can ask @glacial steeple

[quiet kraken]

ok thanks

[hollow linden]

U need to release yourself as georgia, you can only do that via going trotsky or tsarist

[glacial steeple]

waht

[solar kayak]

could this be a good heavy

[hollow linden]

Nah

Fixed super structure is pointless, get a better gun, wet ammo is useless, sloped armor is useless, add more hmg and add radio

Add armor and engine clicks too

[solar kayak]

in terms of gun, we have no gun

did you meant like a small cannon instead

[hollow linden]

Yea that's fine then

[hollow linden]

No no just keep researching artillery until you get the heavy howitzer

In the mean time use whatever

[solar kayak]

shi has 54% reliability without engine and armor clicks

[hollow linden]

So

Rel is fake

Don't invest into it

[solar kayak]

alr

i guess

[daring gorge]

guys im trying to play as poland and germany just invited me to anti comintern pact. wich seems weird seeing that theyre gonna invade me

do they still invade me if i join?

[fathom thistle]

Yes. They will never attack you if you give them Danzig tho

[daring gorge]

hmm but should i give it to them? and if yes will the sovietrs still invade me?

[fathom thistle]

I give it to them so I can focus on attacking the Soviets. you can easily then take Soviets as Poland

[hollow linden]

The anti comintern pact is just an event when the Soviets declare war on any member Germany joins it

They will still attack you though

It's not an alliance as such

[daring gorge]

also is this solid as a standard line inf or should i add some armour/or some artillery?

[fathom thistle]

You can do it the other way around gice the Soviets eastern Poland and take Germany if you want

[solar kayak]

dont add line arti

[daring gorge]

id rather give up danzig than half of my country

[solar kayak]

as many people have told me here

already

[hollow linden]

Remove 1 inf, remove recon, add support aa

[fathom thistle]

Your call

[daring gorge]

aight

[daring gorge]

but now i have to also make aa with 14 mills 😭

[hollow linden]

Put 2 mils on it from day 1

[hollow linden]

What year is it

[daring gorge]

early 1937 im going thru the factoriy stuff rn

[hollow linden]

Are you building mils already

[daring gorge]

yes i have 2 qd up and some civs after

should i only do mills?

?

[solar kayak]

i would have to beat germany first

trust me i would love to

[night obsidian]

this play through is so boring, japan is doing nothing and italy sucks... its march 1942 and no one has declared war

japan hasnt even attacked china...

[solar kayak]

yep im cooked

feb 38 and i havent deployed any divs

theres no way i can get divs in time

[glacial steeple]

this sucks

also why as czechs

you get like insanely cheap lights

[indigo sapphire]

hello

should i make a lot of divs and templates

[solar kayak]

im done

bro you cant win

i just get spam attacked until i run out of org

[glacial steeple]

happens

its why you cycle

[solar kayak]

atleast lasted until aug 39 this time

till they broke through and killed me instantly

[indigo sapphire]

is BICE CWIC and MD good mods to use

[cold bloom]

Personal taste

[indigo sapphire]

alr mari

[median jackal]

Okay thanks to your previous advices I managed to do way better.
But now I am stuck in Romania, and I don't understand why. Is it bcs my army is still too weak (despite the fact I crushed Greece), or is it because something else?

[dark thunder]

Black Ice kinda niche, it’s supposed to be overly complex but it’s alright if you’re into pain.

CW:IC is whatever, TNO is the better Cold War mod but if you INSIST on a historical Cold War it’s there. I wouldn’t play outside of the few countries with long lasting content. Its economy system is not that complex but would have been better with UI changes.

MD is kind of bloated and complex and really struggles with what it wants to be. Tries to be sandbox, but also tries to be kind of realistic, but also wants to be a sim, it has alot of downloads but many don’t retry playing it.

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[dark thunder]

Nobody has any supply. See that brown bar? It’s empty.

You need to make more railroads and upgrade those railroads to supply hubs.

[median jackal]

Uhhhh what brown bar?

[dark thunder]

And set them to trucks

[median jackal]

(I'm a pure noob)

[dark thunder]

Divisions have a green bar that’s organization and defines how long they can fight, and a brown bar that’s how much supply they have.

[median jackal]

Oh okay

I'll try thx

[glacial steeple]

your army has no weapons

[daring gorge]

what politcal focus to get for poland? i hav picked april conhstitution but what after that?

[median jackal]

Huh???

[glacial steeple]

or no manpower

one of the two

[median jackal]

How do I fix that?

[glacial steeple]

orange bar is strenght bar

anything below 100% is bad

anything below 90% is really bad (because it means you have no stockpiles)

anything below 50% is dire

[median jackal]

I already set everything to motor (it wasn't before). So u think more railways and it will be okay?

[glacial steeple]

no i think you have wayy worse logistical issues

check logistics tab/manpower

probably should play a minor country and try to only supply a small army/watch tutorials

keeping a large army properly equipped can be a bit hard for someone starting out

[median jackal]

Is that bad?

[glacial steeple]

click top right

theres an army tab

youll be able to see how much is deployed vs how much is missing

[indigo sapphire]

should i build the escort fleet and modern carriers

[glacial steeple]

click the icon on top right

itll show you

[median jackal]

This thing?

[glacial steeple]

yes

you see how much youre missing more detailed now

and can click on it see see specific equipments in the fields

[median jackal]

Oh wow thanks

[glacial steeple]

its not useful too often but can give you a detailed layout of your armed forces

[median jackal]

So I must produce what is missing here and it will be fixed?

[glacial steeple]

well right now you are missing about 60% of infantry equipment

[median jackal]

Uh oh

[glacial steeple]

or, your army in the field is more than double the size it should be according to your gun logistics

you never even want a deficit in the first place

much less this badly

[glacial steeple]

is the last one tanks?

i cant tell

[median jackal]

Yes

[glacial steeple]

you are missing like 95% of tanks

[median jackal]

Well there are a few things I get better now 😭

Can I like cancel armies or whatever to free material?

[charred spire]

hello i want some help regarding buying the game

[glacial steeple]

you can disband/consolidate units

[glacial steeple]

whats up

[median jackal]

Okay I'll try

[glacial steeple]

under general/field marshal

[charred spire]

so i really like the idea of hearts of iron but its really problematic like 50 euros so any help \

[left glacier]

I also recommend assigning a Field Marshal to your army as well. Field Marshals adds an extra 50% of their stats alongside your generals

[glacial steeple]

wait on sale/giveaways, i cant help you otherwise

official server doesnt have giveaways but maybe some communities do

events

[median jackal]

Okay thx

[charred spire]

ojay thanks

okay

[vital plinth]

Why is free France so hard to control resistance ? I’m getting 0 compliance and have 4 spies rooting resistance and marital law for a year and my template is perfect

I took Vichy France and made the rest puppet but not getting compliance

[glacial steeple]

they do spy missions

[daring gorge]

OMG THIS IS SUCH BS I JUST

WASTED AN HOUR OF MY TIME PREPPING MY ARMY ONLY TO GET THE FKIN RIGHTISST ATTACKIG MY AHH

[median jackal]

I think I understood something important

You don't need 35 tank division for a push, just a few right 😭

[glacial steeple]

a few equipped and good units yes

mountaineers/air can also work

[fathom thistle]

You could just chill with 4 tanks divs tbh. 35 is like overkill and fuel costly

[glacial steeple]

did you see the screenshot above

[glacial steeple]

35 tank divs with a total of 240 tanks in them

[fathom thistle]

Lemme check

[daring gorge]

is there a way to force my economy into free trade? with commands for example

[median jackal]

Hey don't mock me I just started the game 😭😭

[glacial steeple]

:p

240 tanks if lights is about 4 batallions

maybe 6 batallions if self propelled artillery

the average good tank div has like 9/10 batallions in it of tanks

so you have about 70%? of 1 good division worth of equipment

[fathom thistle]

You can just use pp to switch to it wdym?

[daring gorge]

im poland

[glacial steeple]

do the danzig part of your focus tree or lose danzig

[daring gorge]

so i should let it free? im not planning on a war with germany but if i let it free will they still attack me?

[glacial steeple]

you cant

but they will still attack you

[indigo sapphire]

is this https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/
good enough to use as icons for my hoi4 multi mod vehicles like tanks mbts afvs ifvs and apcs?

@glacial steeple

aw thx casey

btw
where can i find more side images of the vehicles i wanna add and use in hoi4 multi mod?

@glacial steeple

[fathom thistle]

If you are not making them for the support recon company don't make them for your actual fighting template. Just go medium.

[oak jasper]

Is there any way to cheese civil wars? I'd heard things like "disband the army ahead of time, then force deploy new divisions", but I'm not sure that works, at least not anymore. The other side always seems to get half of everything: half of equipment, half of divisions, half of in-training divisions... the best I can come up with is "convert the entire army to something useless like cavalry, then convert your own troops back to more practical divisions the moment the civil war starts".

[light knoll]

don't convert to cav. convert to a division with a single battalion of artillery

it simply can't fight, no org

then convert your units back to normal after civil war start

the ai doesn't have the brain to convert it back

and it'll think fronts are defended when they have this unit on them

[vital plinth]

Why am I not getting any compliance ?

[light knoll]

because you're on secret police

go local police force

or civilian oversight

[oak jasper]

If you want to boost compliance, yeah, local police force, then civilian oversight, then local autonomy. Military governor and secret police keep resistance low, but basically neuter compliance gain.

[vital plinth]

No I mean France

It’s been 1,5 year if I lower resistance group then their resistance go up

[light knoll]

even worse then

[vital plinth]

Is it because I’m in war with free France ?

[light knoll]

you're on mil governor

worst law

literally useless

just go local police force

[vital plinth]

I was martial law only that level will it go

Resistance go up fast

[oak jasper]

That's how it works. You go to a laxer occupation law, endure a period of significant resistance, then go down another occupation law once resistance chills down to maybe 10-20%.

[light knoll]

its fine. don't worry about it

[vital plinth]

How far up shoud resistance be before I deal with it ?

So 30-40% is fine until i get 20% compliance ?

[oak jasper]

How I look at it: start on local police force, wait until resistance is down into the 10-20% range before going to civ oversight, repeat when going to local autonomy.

1. Resistance grows much faster than compliance, but is capped by the resistance target.
2. The higher compliance is, the harder it is to raise it further, since compliance gain is reduced by high compliance.
3. This means that to reach high compliance faster, you need to more aggressively go to lax occupation laws and endure a period of high resistance target.

[light knoll]

tbh, for france you can just go harsh quotas

and ignore compliance

to get more factories

if you don't play for too long, its better

or micromanage the law for states with more factories

[austere roost]

local police force is usually the best because you use the least manpower and guns

[oak jasper]

That too: harsh laws can tamp down on resistance and bring you more factories/resources in the short term; it takes several years to bring compliance up.

[austere roost]

democracies and communist countries have laws that are situationally better

[oak jasper]

(Also, a very convenient -50% garrison damage modifier)

[night obsidian]

how long do Multiplayer games usually last? Do they have it on consistently moving forward?

[coarse finch]

Depends on how well the game goes. Usually about 4 hours or more. And pausing is very rare

So yea its just set to 3/4 speed and set to run

[dusty sandal]

the best laws in order from top tier to bottom of the barrel are :

• Liberated workers (best buffs early to mid game without harsh compliance nerf)
• Local autonomy (compliance maxing)
• Civilian oversight (if no big resistance buff or compliance growth nerf in targeted state) (compliance growth > mid-long term)
• Harsh quotas/Forced labour (Allows for cheaky strats to get 140% factories in states OR really good short term)
• Local police (if issues with resistance in empty states that can't use harsh quotas/forced labour because of lack on industry/meaningful resources OR to save up on emergency manpower)
• Martial law (if emergency with resistance caused from spies. MP only)
• Secret police (basically local police but worse. basically have no use but isn't really harmful)
• Brutal oppression (basically a meme law. Doesn't serve any purpose)
• Military governor (Bottom of the barrel, soaks a lot of resources for no benefits. Is a game killer for france and UK if people forget about it. Outtright detrimental)

[night obsidian]

i just had the most boring game playing USA, it was on historical but for some reason japan never started a war...

[patent cloak]

guys im kinda bored in hoi4 what should i do (i have NO dlc unfortunatly)

[fathom thistle]

make austria hungary :>

[patent cloak]

alr did like 5 times

its nice but eh

[half glade]

whats the best choice here

[patent cloak]

honestly how about roman empire

[half glade]

cause i thought it would be peaceful reunification

but i cant claim faction leadership

due to manpower reasons

[fathom thistle]

idk if you like pure defenses but u can try doing luxemburg or defense as poland against both germany and ussr. If not then try to form euorpean union just for bunch of cores

[fathom thistle]

great stuff

[patent cloak]

so ill try to do that ig

[copper birch]

mods

[patent cloak]

oooooooo

[fathom thistle]

if you are into fallout old world blues mod is peak

[half glade]

can anybody help me here

[patent cloak]

which ones (i alr played rt56 many times and cant run millenium dawn)

[patent cloak]

nah not really

[copper birch]

do collapsing world

[patent cloak]

which is

[copper birch]

?

[patent cloak]

what is collapsing world

[copper birch]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3297046215&searchtext=collapsing

[copper birch]

idk, do one china

[patent cloak]

hmm ill try it ig

tahnks

[copper birch]

np

[glacial steeple]

tank hull isnt that relevant 🥀

[night obsidian]

how's japan to play?

my last game as USA sucked because they went to war so now I feel like playing them and making it happen lol

[silk scarab]

how do i fix this

[light knoll]

pretty good

you can beat china in 1-2 years then have time to beat everyone else

[night obsidian]

okay every time i try open a specific division as japan, my game crashes...

[silk scarab]

tysm

[light knoll]

huh

try #tech-support ig

[fathom thistle]

if its only for that specific playthorugh it might be corrupted game

[night obsidian]

let me try turning off mods first

[fathom thistle]

if its happening as any country try redownloading

[night obsidian]

no it was fine before playing as USA

probably reskins

will troubleshoot for a bit

[fathom thistle]

sounds about right

[vital plinth]

Why do I only get ace pilots with figthers but not close air support ?

[night obsidian]

i got CAS ones as germany

[glacial steeple]

i like it a lot

its like constant war

[night obsidian]

sounds fun

[glacial steeple]

cuz you can send vols to europe

post china war pre joining by yourself

[raw magnet]

I was wondering what's the go to path for a greece run?

[night obsidian]

dude japans starting divisions are nuts

[quasi citrus]

Guys quick Q
I remember u used to get OP research boost if u spied on ppl who had worse industry tech than u
For example Germany stealing stuff from bhutan
Is this still a thing?

What are the requirements to get good tech boosts instead of garbage stuff with steal tech

Do u need specific traits?

[night obsidian]

ok the japan focus tree is really intimidating... which of the 20 paths is the "historic" one

[minor badge]

Isn’t there a like a banner to show which one it is like Germany’s or?

[polar sentinel]

how do you naval invade the uk as italy around 1940??

[night obsidian]

ah, i se it i think

[polar sentinel]

thx for the help

[minor badge]

It’s gonna be hard

Im guessing still in the faction

[polar sentinel]

axis yes

[minor badge]

The only option o could think of is call Germany in

And somehow circle around the isles and hit maybe like Newcastle area

[polar sentinel]

thx for the info

[light knoll]

its mid

like most of their army is just 12w with no support companies

i just converted everything to the 24w division, expanded it a bit, then consolidated. was left with like 30 divisions. enough to battleplan china

with like, 50k casualties? total

[neat widget]

Yeah, sounds about right

[glacial steeple]

relative power

it doesnt matter if your army is bad if its 5x better than the opposing power

[median jackal]

I'm starting to understand a bit more. My main struggle now is about quantity : like, of much divisions of tank, defense infrantry, and attack infantry, to I need to win a war, let's say against Yugoslavia as Italy for example

[glacial steeple]

quality > quantity

this game isnt just more unit always wins

1 good unit can often times beat 4+ ai bad units

[median jackal]

Okok

And how do you organize your batallions?

One batallion of full infantry, one focused on trucks,....
Or like every batallion has mixed divisions ?

[glacial steeple]

batallions are the units in your divisions

[median jackal]

Oh wait no

I meant the regroupement of divisions that can go up to 24 and led by a general

I forgot the name

An army?

That

[glacial steeple]

no more than the limit

sorry im late

unless you dont care about trait stats / levelling up then its whatever

[austere roost]

try follow a newbie guide and recreate the steps, those guides answer a lot of the questions that you have

[night obsidian]

this is going to be interesting, I cant find guides on Japan from the regular youtubers I've been using lol

just oging to figure it out, but anything I should be careful to absolutely NOT do?

do i need to worry abotu USSR boarder or can I just leave it? Supply sucks up there

[river shuttle]

my navy is docked in east indies right now but no matter what i do they wont acctually deploy to the area ive asked them to patrol why is this?

[wild ember]

auto naval base

cog icon next to the naval base

[wild ember]

what japan path are u going for?

[night obsidian]

as close to historical as possible

[river shuttle]

thanks 😅

[night obsidian]

although i might try invade earlier, i don't have the dates in my head as well as I do EU history

[wild ember]

u dont have to worry about the ussr

[night obsidian]

i just dont feel like doing the 5 hrs of research I did before I played any of the other factions

[wild ember]

theres a focus that gives u a peace treaty with them

[night obsidian]

nanshin-ron looks like

[wild ember]

[night obsidian]

Im acoustic af

[wild ember]

i dont remember its exact name

[wild ember]

arent we all

[night obsidian]

i guess my main question is how much shoudl I balance the political vs the economy/military focuses

[wild ember]

up to you

but go a little towards military

[glacial steeple]

japan guides?

you have to be a decent player to be good at japan

do you think youtubers are at that skill level

[tepid umbra]

I mean decent is an overstatement

[night obsidian]

im not tryign to be "good' at japan just giving them a go

[tepid umbra]

As long as you know good air, navy, and military templates you'll be fine

[night obsidian]

playing once through each major power, except france bc screw them

[glacial steeple]

killing china in 37 takes a bit of practice and thats like half of it

[tepid umbra]

The focus tree is kinda easy to figure out

[wild ember]

worst part about japan is taking the usa

[glacial steeple]

yeah focus tree is easy

[tepid umbra]

Just read through it all

[wild ember]

it takes too long

[night obsidian]

focus tree is where I struggle the most, I have the templates down though

[glacial steeple]

shows exactly what type of player the average is

[tepid umbra]

It's just naval invasions tho right

[night obsidian]

dont have the patience to read through everything

[tepid umbra]

You can preplan stuff

[glacial steeple]

like omg why are people hyperfocused on killing the US

[wild ember]

i wish they had some sort of peace deal if u take hawaii

[glacial steeple]

i dont get it

its like the worst way to play japan

[tepid umbra]

Historical

They wanna be hist accurate sort of

[wild ember]

thats the historical path man

[glacial steeple]

IT ISNT

[tepid umbra]

Which means they join ww2

[glacial steeple]

they didnt wanna have a long drawn out war with the US

they wanted oil

from indonesia

[night obsidian]

oh yeah im going to try to avoid hitting US if I can

[tepid umbra]

And inorder to end the war you need to kill the us

[wild ember]

yea the game forces ur hand tho

[glacial steeple]

thats how you play yes

you go south for indonesia, malaysia, india, australia

then into either middle east or africa

[wild ember]

thats why they should have something like the phillipenes

[glacial steeple]

and then invade uk and then US

[night obsidian]

interesting, they don't have a dude that increases political powerr

[tepid umbra]

I did us then uk

[vital geode]

You know what I learned.

I dont like playing Japan because it usually means I have to invade Siberia

[glacial steeple]

sure that also works

[tepid umbra]

Cuz i could invade us while moving over to the channel

[tepid umbra]

Huh

[glacial steeple]

just hold the border and go through azerbaijan

[tepid umbra]

Why

[vital geode]

Or i have to try and salvage the European axis

[tepid umbra]

Also the siberia invasion isn't really difficult tbh

[vital geode]

It isnt difficult

[tepid umbra]

It's just long or lategame

[vital geode]

I dont like it

[glacial steeple]

its central asia that sucks

[tepid umbra]

True

[glacial steeple]

anyway japan is easy

[night obsidian]

someone got a basic recommendation for political advisors, early focus tree stuff (like the stuff to make sure to get yr 1, and things like that? Basic early game guide? I can figure i out from there

[glacial steeple]

you only make mils

[tepid umbra]

Yes

[glacial steeple]

you flip your government before china cap and do your collabs

and then you annex china

and make plane

lot of plane

[night obsidian]

dont bother with civs at all?

[glacial steeple]

you need MILS

[vital geode]

Other countries make civs for you

[glacial steeple]

you have constant war basically

[tepid umbra]

If you rush the air research bonus focus before political unlocks you can get good air insanely early

[vital geode]

You conquer other countries and get their civs

[glacial steeple]

actually i lied

you make a land facility before mils

[tepid umbra]

Huh

Why

[glacial steeple]

in the state below tokyo

[glacial steeple]

flame tanks

[tepid umbra]

Isn't there a focus for land facilities too

[night obsidian]

okay a lot of people sayign things...

so land factory, then JUST mils? no civs (i just take them from what i conquer?

[tepid umbra]

I mean you can just not make them 🥶

[night obsidian]

Machiavellian's guide did that too I just wasnt sure

[hollow totem]

hey weird question my dpi in game suddenly got slower for some reason any idea what can cause this

[glacial steeple]

you have ti di the project

[tepid umbra]

Check your mouse

[tepid umbra]

Wdym

[hollow totem]

tabbed out its normal dpi in game like 500

[tepid umbra]

"Normal dpi"

Try resetting the game

[night obsidian]

well here goes nothing im just going to go for it with the mils play

[tepid umbra]

Or switch display modes

[hollow totem]

tried that and display modes

[tepid umbra]

Make sure to prep naval invasions

Before china war

And if you island hop for whatever reason, you can plan multiple invasions at once so you can go back to back

[night obsidian]

what date is china war? And where to attack? Shanhai?

[tepid umbra]

Reinstall it

[tepid umbra]

China war is when you want china war

[night obsidian]

oh

[tepid umbra]

There's a specific china war focus path

[tepid umbra]

You attack from the north and you do various naval invasions

[glacial steeple]

i should make a japan guide so i can get roasted for being bad at video game

[tepid umbra]

Make a japan multiplayer guide 🥶

[glacial steeple]

i dont even play mp

i dont like people

theyre exhausting

[tepid umbra]

That's why you gotta make your own mp group

[glacial steeple]

ough

[tepid umbra]

And kick people with sucky personalities

[night obsidian]

is it worth doing agency early or no?

[glacial steeple]

YES

you NEED collabs

[tepid umbra]

You don't need

But

It's horribly annoying without them

[tepid umbra]

Also cryptology is pretty useful

[night obsidian]

do i do the mongolian thing?

ugh, i think im going to press buttons and go for the ride

might be better to just ask what I SHOULDNT do and go from there

[tepid umbra]

Uhh

[glacial steeple]

i mean if you wanna lose out on 75% of your eco you dont need them

[tepid umbra]

Yeah

[glacial steeple]

no need to put focus time into it

[night obsidian]

oop, i guess not, I just wont do it

[neat widget]

you don't need mils if you aren't fighting wars

[glacial steeple]

its not horrendous

but its like

theres eco and stuff and you can annex them in china war

[neat widget]

I've never seen cryptology be the make or break for these types of things

[glacial steeple]

china war is a bit easier with them tho ig

and its just 1 focus youll live

[tepid umbra]

Not for sp

But it still saves time

[austere roost]

you also did spend ic on the cryptology department

[glacial steeple]

not really

always good to get early imo to decrypt more

but its preference ig

[austere roost]

decrypt is good, but you do have to consider the ic

I would build decrypt if I start as a major with the industry unless you're usa

[glacial steeple]

of 3 civs?

for like 30 days

you gotta get the upgrades anyway

[austere roost]

not all nations have that amount of civs

but if you're a major it's good to do decryption

[glacial steeple]

we're talking about japan

[night obsidian]

im restarting because i didnt get my setup right

is it worth starting with Minestry of commerce, of shoudl I go straight into "imperial defense plan

[tepid umbra]

Imperial defense plan

[night obsidian]

then you said do the airforce?

or army?

[tepid umbra]

Airforce

Get the research bonus

It gives +100% and -1 year

[night obsidian]

then go over to political

[tepid umbra]

And auto unlockes engine 3 and hmg

[tepid umbra]

Yes

[night obsidian]

just go down political or switch back and forth?

is it worth disbanding and selling my early airforce or no in this case?

[tepid umbra]

Political i think

[tepid umbra]

Sure

[night obsidian]

do I want to keep my cav in the beginning?

[tepid umbra]

Uhh

No?

I think?

[night obsidian]

Casey, keep or get rid of cav in beginning?

also, general question, is there a way to grey out a factory/dock after one has been assigned? Like I move a ship to the bottom but I want to allocate that dock to something else

[glacial steeple]

everything but tanks and hohei shidan you turn into the 12 width inf

they arent real units anyway

also turn 1 of the tanks (the untrained one) into inf too

so you have a stockpile

[tepid umbra]

What

[night obsidian]

since this already has one, I cant "unassign" it, unless im missing something

i want to use that dock elsewhere, not in this right now

[glacial steeple]

you cant

unless you delete the line

[night obsidian]

should I kill the converted cruiser then?

[gray hull]

theres a way

put 5 on the cruiser and put it on the top and wait a bit

[glacial steeple]

no he wants to get rid of the dockyard

like have 0 on it but keep progress

[gray hull]

yeah i know

do what i said it does that

itll put the dockyard on the cruiser and keep the subs progress

[flint lily]

did anyone tried to capitulate soviet union as germany before 1937?

as soon as you get pp

[night obsidian]

do I even bother keeping these tanks, I saw a guide saying to remove 1 just for the armor and then add more inf

[glacial steeple]

its a bad idea

[lament quail]

As Italy, should I form AOI or balkanize Ethiopia

[glacial steeple]

why not both

[lament quail]

Don’t you need to own and control the required land to form AOI

[night obsidian]

should I be paying attention to these?

[glacial steeple]

nope

can be puppet

[glacial steeple]

the impatient is the one you want early

the rest is like

theres nothing to be done

[lament quail]

But then AOI just annexes

[night obsidian]

impatient?

[glacial steeple]

cant build trucks because you need guns

[night obsidian]

so I should click on that one then?

[topaz yew]

hello, why do i have a production deficit of a lot of things but my stockpiles keep increasing?

[pliant condor]

if you deployed a bunch of division it could show as a negative

which is just a one-time thing

[pliant condor]

it reduces the time before you can do the focus

to go down your political tree

[night obsidian]

which focus?

[topaz yew]

actually yeah i forgoti set them toautomatically deploy to an army group, thanks a lot

[pliant condor]

the one under military minister attache system

if you play correctly

you need to do those focuses and go down to greater east asian co-prosperity sphere before you capitulate china

since it changes your government to fascist and reduces all your compliance by half

[night obsidian]

ah ok, i was going to hit china first before I went down there but sure

[pliant condor]

yes you start on the focus immediately after you declare war on china

[night obsidian]

oh crap, what happens if i dont get to it in time?

[narrow grail]

Check your factory output and construction speed nerfs due to lack of coal

[night obsidian]

weird, I suddenly cant trade...

[topaz yew]

i understand why myproduction would be low, but its that its saying ive got negative balance but im gaining stockpiles

[night obsidian]

must have missed a reading thing

[topaz yew]

i think topazand was right though

[night obsidian]

ah, why cant I trade all of a sudden?

oh

[wintry matrix]

Maybe people really dislike you.
Or you have no civs left.

[night obsidian]

no civs.

national project for some reason

[glacial steeple]

lose half your compliance?

[glacial steeple]

collabs do that

[night obsidian]

how do i see what my "national" project

oh maybe

[glacial steeple]

its just ship steel

[night obsidian]

ah yeah

all good

I might have done too many focuses before going political, should I bother with "Establish the mongol military" or go straight for "reinforce the east?"

[glacial steeple]

you gotta reinforce the garrisons so its 480 days earlier

[hidden monolith]

So gentleman I capitulated Poland as Germany, what’s the next move should I hit up Czechoslovakia or xD

[vital plinth]

Hey is it better to produce 2 times 15 mill figthers ? Or is 30 mills together better ?

[glacial steeple]

same production

[hidden monolith]

What do you think Casey like what do you usually do when you play Germany

[glacial steeple]

huh

[oak jasper]

If you are micromanaging your production lines, technically there's some advantage to e.g. "switch a 5-factory line from fighters to CAS vs. subtracting five factories from fighters to add five to CAS", but that kind of approach is not very easy for humans to manage.

[glacial steeple]

usually when i play germany its to help someone play germany, or i get bored in like idk 1937/1938

or its a dumb challenge

i guess you like anschluss - vols to spain - czechs - war

you have some time in between vols to spain and war to get all your tanks out

and then after the fall of france you make an airforce for barb

then you barb, then you sealion

is the typical hist germany gameplay loop

[jagged hull]

Can anyone help I am in helping lounge VC with the Swiss declared war on me I feel like they had the final boss and I need help please send help

[glacial steeple]

use CAS

they have crazy ground buffs

but no air or AA buffs

[jagged hull]

No I am literally losing ground they're getting ground from France and Italy for free

They gave it to them I need help

[glacial steeple]

im looking

okay so

just pull back a bit

your units are starving lol

okay?

stop training/consolidate/delete some units

its not that bad

[hidden monolith]

Thank you Casey another question do you like put up defensive units like mainly around your capital city or I guess that’s a dumb question sorry

[glacial steeple]

sorry sound wasnt working

yeah your air sucks

have you tried letting switzerland walk in

and then encircle and kill them

while you have supply

and they dont

instead of the opposite

all their buffs are on core

you can easily win when theyre not in cores

the swiss buffs

yes so you let them fight in austria where they dont have cores

pretty sure they only have claims

its easier to encircle when theyre stretched thin and out of core

their units are all tiny and bad

i wouldnt worry too much

youll also be able to go up conscription law if youre partially occupied

why

go up from volunteer only

and down to war eco

well youre not gonna win bashing against them with no weapons or manpower

you might wanna go back further so their line extends, but for now this is fine

just get manpower and weapons

limited conscription does nothing

because its 2.5%

you have a -3% from eco law

so thats -0.5%

total mob is -3%

just only make mils

stop training new units lol

and just make your existing army better

well also youre still at 0% people recruitable

their units are similar to yours

very bad

no dont stress

its just both sides use like 6 width inf

higher hp takes less losses

you dont have the logistics rn

but typically yes

[glacial steeple]

well if the enemy can paradrop yeah

[inner sparrow]

bro is schizo

talking with himself

[glacial steeple]

@inner sparrow help this guy in vc

youre both like german i think

[inner sparrow]

I only help with mp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/466705260677824544/1228227266341900378/togif-2-1.gif

[glacial steeple]

he has mp issues

[inner sparrow]

I only help with sp

[glacial steeple]

sorry i gtg rn

but just relax and think of a plan

[jagged hull]

Please help me

[inner sparrow]

I can’t, im with others rn

[jagged hull]

Ok

[glacial steeple]

@neat widget are you online to help this poor guy

[jagged hull]

I didn't declare war on Austria they did

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-panicking-panic-run-stressed-gif-18159459569326010638

[native depot]

Guys is there a mod where division/tank/plane designs don’t cost Xp?

[craggy delta]

Should I even try building ships against japan as communist china?

[neat widget]

Oh wait what's going on here sorry I had issues to deal with

[glacial steeple]

hes fighting switzerland vs austria in vc

[neat widget]

Ah okay

Aeugh, it's mountains

They have to restructure your whole army

you're better off forming a mountaineer corps here

But at least you have air superiority

RIP Poland

Yeah since you puppeted one side of the civil war this happened unfortunately

[vital plinth]

Should automatic split off always be on for fleets ?

[flint lily]

@vital plinth under some circumsantes, if you are on strike force and your navy isnt that much maybe but for patrol and raiding ofc no

[vital plinth]

But won’t they get sunk if they not repaired ?

[stuck garnet]

Woule yoy rather have 4 perfectly undamaged tanks or 5 slightly damaged tanks and 2 really damaged ones?

If they still workx ofc

[tepid umbra]

4 perfectly undamaged

[stuck garnet]

Yeah but mate

Your enemies are alrezdy gonna have the numbers advantage

Are you an axis member by any chance?

[vital plinth]

Is it to me. ?

[stuck garnet]

Yeah

Basically the question is

If your ships are damaged

Would you rather have more ships in battle

Even if theyre damaged

For maintaining of power

Or less ships

To repair

And have less ships in battle

You need more firepower

And youre gonna lose more ships in battle in the long run if you reject damaged ships

If you wanna repair then stop the missions and do so

[vital plinth]

Ok I see so when exactly is it best to have split off ? Is when not patrolling or doing something that can’t be interrupted?

[stuck garnet]

Idk i need cassy to fact check this

[vital plinth]

Also after assigning planes to my Carrier do I need to do something to make the planes work or do they automatically do it ?

[stuck garnet]

I dont have split off

[stuck garnet]

Iirc they do on their own but can operate normally if you hold it

[wise jewel]

Hey y'all, my boss just put me on to this game, was wondering if anyone would be able to hop in a call and help me out? I'm having fun but have no clue what i'm doing 😂
I'm willing to pay for like an hour of your time, just dm me for details

[tropic seal]

What are some strong non-major countries to play? I just got done playing hungary

[tropic seal]

Try following a guide for a relatively easy to play country like italy

[hidden monolith]

Is Italy easy to play? I started Germany because that’s what most mf said to do

[tropic seal]

I personally started with germany too but I've heard people here say italy is better. because if you play as germany, the entire outcome of the war hinges on your performance

[wise jewel]

Yeah i've been watching that notorious tutorial i'm sure we all have😂, ive done a few research stages and put down a few civilian/military factories just not sure where to go from here

[tropic seal]

if the german player sucks you're usually cooked

[wise jewel]

Yep if you make a mistake on italy germany can bail you out

[tropic seal]

yes

[tropic seal]

lore accurate anyway

[hidden monolith]

Bro the Italians helping me invade Poland was a w

[tropic seal]

What country?

[wise jewel]

italy

[tropic seal]

lmao

Whose guide are you following?

and did you buy any dlcs

[hidden monolith]

Derpy I’m going to buy DLCs but I heard spies were kinda hard to understand idk

[tropic seal]

that might just be a personal skill issue but i play without spies

it does make the ussr infinitely harder to capitulate though

so its your choice but id sugges tlike no step back or gtd as you first dlc

probably

[hidden monolith]

Hmmmm thanks for the info, who do you play as mostly

[tropic seal]

I usually play as germany but ive been trying to expand

I'm now giving the minor coutnries a shot

since its nice to not be perpetually stressed once in a while

[hidden monolith]

Oh god I’m scared to try the minor countries

[tropic seal]

if you're playing as say hungary the pressure on you to perform is a lot less than germany

[hidden monolith]

I feel like the majors would just come stomp you though?

[tropic seal]

Nah

if you play well you can still go ahead and stomp the majors lol

64k deaths on my side to 1.2mil on the soviets

[hidden monolith]

Oooooh that sounds intriguing!!!!!

[tropic seal]

yeah just dont overextend

since as hungary unless if you go desperate defense you cant tank as much mp losses as germany

[hidden monolith]

I heard you want to use cavalry units with mp to suppress provinces like better is that true?

[tropic seal]

i usually just go one horse

its pretty good unless if youre doing a world conquent but id ask someone else about that case

just one horse no suppor tcomapnies

[tepid umbra]

I love hungary, despite being a minor it can compete with majors easily

[hidden monolith]

Hmmm….thank you for your help. I’m new as you can tell ❤️

[tepid umbra]

Mp is more cost efficient but it required more mils on support equip than usual

One cavalry batallion is good enough

If you add mp, you need like 5+ iirc

For it to be worth it

[hidden monolith]

I’m going to give them a try!! I’m just now getting decent with Germany tbh

[hidden monolith]

So do you recommend like the one horse strategy like derpy mentioned

Idk I just capitulated Poland and I don’t want any uprisings xD

[austere roost]

One horse is the easiest solution

You can do 25 cav + mil police but that requires 130 more XP

[tropic seal]

youll still get resistance in poland unelss if you go down on occupation law by a lot

poland doesnt like the germans

but it usually doesnt affect your game

[hidden monolith]

They no likey the blitzkriegy

Thank you guys yall are real ones

[tepid umbra]

Yuh

[tepid umbra]

Also research mil police if you dont start with it

But i think ger does

[tropic seal]

Are empty carriers still the best naval supremacy option?

And does anyone have suggestions for good minors to play

[austere roost]

There are better things to reaearch

[tropic seal]

How do I know if my mod is activated

[tepid umbra]

Exactly

So it's not rly worth it

[tepid umbra]

If it's in the playset

[tropic seal]

my playset just says 'initial playset'

nevermind

i gotta add a playset lol

aight thanks

Are there any strong minor countries?

Is canada good

[lament quail]

how should I deal with ethiopia

(I will be flipping monarchist)

imma take it all and form aoi

are the irregular divisions and blackshirt divisions useful for anything

or should I just dissolve them when I get the chance

[tropic seal]

Why do all 3 of these guys do the same thing

[uneven bay]

this weird thing forms when i try to form a frontline

and this happens when the frontline changes

[lament quail]

i should do this tree before forming aoi right?

[tepid umbra]

They're your political advisors iirc

If it's swiss

[lament quail]

this event chain's puppets or aoi better(nonaligned)

[tropic seal]

they all have the same effect lol is there no diff between choosing any of hte 3

[tepid umbra]

There is

The 3 options to pick are your advisors

If you pick one it takes away the advisor

[tepid umbra]

You can do both

But aoi is fine

[lament quail]

can I?

I thought aoi required you to control the land

directly

[tepid umbra]

Oh yeah it does

You can rush ethiopia so the conference pops up

[lament quail]

what conference

peace conference?

theyre already dead

[tropic seal]

ah

[tepid umbra]

Are you still at war

[lament quail]

no

I rushed them

[tepid umbra]

Then you can do aoi

[lament quail]

yeah, but I have to directly own and control the land, dont i?

[tepid umbra]

You need new emperor in ethiopia and one of the african infrastructure focuses

The one before the 4 develops iirc

[lament quail]

can it be my subject that controls the land

[tepid umbra]

The amahara rulers doesn't just give puppets

It can also give compliance and generals

[lament quail]

ah

[tepid umbra]

You can do that too i think

[languid copper]

are the devs aware of the issues with map mods like fps map? its been completely broken since NCNS

[tepid umbra]

Map mod issues are the mod makers problem

[languid copper]

not according to the modders who made them

[tepid umbra]

I don't mean it's their fault

But it's their problem to fix it

[lament quail]

also, are the irregular divisions worth keeping around (as italy)

[languid copper]

yeah idk the mod creator claims it cannot be fixed on his end due to some shader changes

[tepid umbra]

Ehhh

[tepid umbra]

They might patch it

Idk tho

The issues aren't major tho

[lament quail]

is that a good ehh or a bad ehh

[languid copper]

not imo

[tepid umbra]

As in bad eh

You can keep them but like

You prolly shouldn't

[lament quail]

i see

[tepid umbra]

Mostly cuz you they take investment to be decent

And if you want to use them it takes manpower and equip

But also disbanding them doesn't refund anything

[languid copper]

not game breaking, but the diplomacy map mode for example is completely blacked out other than the country you have selected, it just makes it annoying as hell

[lament quail]

alr, disbanded

[tepid umbra]

Ehh

I like the look

More than how it looks normally tbh

[lament quail]

and what of these(divisione coloniale and blackshirts)

[tepid umbra]

It highlights colored countries and that's all i need to see

[tepid umbra]

They're mid but you can't disband blackshirts and the coloniale can be disbanded but none refunds

[lament quail]

Can’t I do the “disband the blackshirts” focus

[tepid umbra]

I never saw that 🥶

Wait

Aren't you non-aligned?

[lament quail]

Not yet

I will be

[tepid umbra]

Blackshirts are like fascist troops basically, so ofc you'd disband them in the path

[lament quail]

There is a choice to do the “Utilize the Blackshirts” focus instead

I take all of austria right

(for the achievement

or is it better to puppet and annex later

[vital plinth]

How should I organize my air wings ? I have alot now it’s hard to organize and clinging on them all

Hard to manage them how do you use the air groups ?

[night obsidian]

im still kinda new and only play SP so far, so I doubt this is the "best way" but I tend to make a theatre for training, carrier, home def, and "operations" (basically what i'm doing now), then in operations I group them in groups of 300-400 (cause I always run into small air strips) and then just move them around..... Until I get too lazy and just assign them to my armies

[jade dome]

Any guide for this warlord my mouse it pointing?

[tropic seal]

How do I edit templates as switzerland

nvm found it i think

[night obsidian]

for japan, I think I timed it wrong, after IU get revisit the twenty one demands I have exactly 70 days before the Tensions between Military factions runs out... I don't have time to get both "establish mongol mil gov" and "reinforce East Hebei"....

does it matter if I go over the counter, or shoudl I mulligan and restart?

[vital plinth]

@glacial steeple

Hey are you online or @neat widget ?

Wanted to ask is there any debuff if I use naval bomber carrier from land ? Or are they only working right from carrier ?

[sand ember]

wouldn't they just expensive normal naval bombers

[sweet summit]

Only work from carrier I think

[glacial steeple]

hi

[neat widget]

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the case

[neat widget]

there's no debuff, but you don't have the buff either since that comes from using them on carriers. and yeah you can use carrier naval bombers from land too

[night obsidian]

@glacial steeple you seem to know a bunch about japan lol

[solar coyote]

What's the optimal strat to defeat the British Navy and Airforce as Germany?

1. Should I keep the focus on submarines or switch to capital ships?
2. What doctrines/subdoctrines are best?
3. Do deathstacks still work with the new naval rework?
   (Please ping if replying)

[vital plinth]

Ah ok cool I had a bit of surplus

Any suggestions how to manage or organize my planes ? I’ve gotten too big and have too many not sure how people organize them

[sand ember]

1. if you want to defeat their navy just build a big surface navy and deathstack it in the channel with green air and you'll probably win. make sure to refit and use good designs and all that
2. i have no idea
3. yeah

[vital geode]

Air solves all problems.

Have refineries so you can have a rubber supply during wartime.

Navy shouldn't be a problem due to how brain dead the ai is currently at contesting players.

Group the surface fleet and patrol in the channel. Have fighters and cas provide support.

When doing sea lion, provide a lot of cas to help the landing

[vital plinth]

Should you assign planes to Army or is that bad ?

[neat widget]

air solves all problems except oil, but you should have enough oil to defeat the UK

[vital plinth]

Also what to use heavry figthers for ? I I have a bounch but not sure where to use them best ?

[stuck garnet]

Idk intercepting?

[sturdy pier]

anyone know where the mobile warfare tab is for Germany?

I’m a lot new

[tropic seal]

What are some good non-major countries

[tropic seal]

That's a grand doctrine tab

gives army wide buffs

there are sub doctrines for infantry artillery armor and operations

some doctrines are better than others

[sturdy pier]

Oh ok

[sweet summit]

Please i need this

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[glacial steeple]

huh

im playing peru rn

[tepid umbra]

huh

what

[sweet summit]

Guys why is quami path good ?

Is it just for the cav buffs

[sand ember]

when you need a lot of range on your fighters or if you have a really big bonus for them

[tepid umbra]

asia maybe

but really you don't need them

like ever

[sweet summit]

Finally step 1 done

[tropic seal]

1. Do i need to make light tanks to use armored recon
2. Does the stats of the light tank affect the effectiveness of the armored recon unit if I need to make them?

[glacial steeple]

no

oceania gameplay its also bad because theres like no one there but it is the only place where you might need that much range

[sweet summit]

YO CASE

The man

Why do you recommend Quami, i can't seem to make it work with the Milita

[tepid umbra]

1: yes
2: yes

the stats of the light tanks increase breakthrough

that's the main benefit of making them

[glacial steeple]

they arent

theyre irregulars

its a different unit type

quami is irregular but iirc civil war gives you militias

[sweet summit]

Hmm gotcha

[glacial steeple]

also quami is kinda bad now but you still can whitepeace over pakistani cores

and then do the union

[tropic seal]

Dang, do you have a light tank template then?>

[tepid umbra]

no

but like

just get a lot of breakthrough and keep the cost cheap

[tropic seal]

aight

[pearl vortex]

Should I change the infantry division template if I am using Large Unit Tactics with the decrease combat width of infantry

[solar coyote]

Alright thanks! Any air doctrine I should pursue in particular?

[night obsidian]

TIL there are useful hotkeys, like a "find" button

[fathom thistle]

35.2w

[night obsidian]

are bycicles even worth it? lol

[tepid umbra]

no

not really

[tropic seal]

How do i increase special forces cap by a lot

[fierce idol]

how early is too early to invade the soviet union?

[austere roost]

You can always invade ussr

USSR's ai is the most stupid ai in the game

And if you want to reduce lag. It's always recommended to invade ussr and usa early

[river root]

It is?

[austere roost]

Yes

[proven cargo]

guys what is the meta for tanks in mp

[austere roost]

It doesn't research post 1939 rifle tech

[sweet summit]

What's a good mill to civs ratio ?

[austere roost]

No one cares about that

Just build mils 3 years before the war

[indigo sapphire]

how many modern and mbt tanks should i produce and build

[sweet summit]

Uhh i have 27 mills to 62 civs, might have to start building mills

Whoa 32 to 80 now

[indigo sapphire]

how many civs and mills should i build

[sweet summit]

Uh way more mills than civs hopefully

2:1 ?

[indigo sapphire]

alr

i do like building enough of both to get lend lease licenses and buy purchase stuff from international market

i do have a mod that adds more building slots

@sweet summit

[austere roost]

0 because modern tanks are meme tier in hoi4

[indigo sapphire]

alr

[austere roost]

And like I literally just said here to build mils 3 years before the war

[sweet summit]

VRROOM

[austere roost]

Reading is a good habit

[sweet summit]

I've been fighting wars since i was born chat

Civil war, Iran war, Soviet War, Hind War,

Finally peace for sometime

[indigo sapphire]

well i like To do LARP stuff

@sweet summit @austere roost

[sweet summit]

What's LARP ?
NAVY ??

[indigo sapphire]

in SP i can do WHATEVER

[sweet summit]

YUCK

[indigo sapphire]

LARP is live action roleplay

there are games that do LARP

[sweet summit]

Oh that;s why Japan, builds fleet

Play as Tanna Tuva and LARP 🥀