ask-for-help-here

[tribal stratus]

This is on the top of the map, close to Alaska

It doesn’t matter at all does it

[rustic acorn]

well, you beat the soviets. what will hinder you to beat the allies now?

[tribal stratus]

Nothing I assume. Never beat the Soviets or allies

So a little worried still

Idk what to do really

[rustic acorn]

build CAS, CLs and DDs and invade GB

taking Africa takes centuries

work with your spies

[tribal stratus]

hmm

It’s 1941, strangely it’s historical and it’s late 1941

But USA hasn’t been called in

I did some wonky stuff idk I did different things at different times finlands in my faction etc

[rustic acorn]

so you still have a big one left

[tribal stratus]

The UK yeah

the issue is

I have no resources or manpower

And I don’t have enough political power to get the + 10% by requirement

[rustic acorn]

unhistorical decisions by players lead to unhistorical decisions at AI as well

[tribal stratus]

I know, but I didn’t stray far off really.

Strange

I’m out of resources fully

Out of manpower

[rustic acorn]

takes time to recover

[tribal stratus]

Will it recover itself since I own the Soviet Union or?

And military governor conspirtuob law is okay?

[rustic acorn]

it recovers always slowly

[tribal stratus]

Hmm alright

I couldn’t get any paratroopers down, I tried a few times it either dosent work or they get shredded

Naval invasion is impossible, I had supremacy for a few minutes but it was gone immediately after

[rustic acorn]

if you managed to drop them and they are shredded, you did it

naval sup is hard against Britain

[tribal stratus]

No but they immediately got killed

[rustic acorn]

if you drop them on others heads, threy will mostly die

only drop on empty tiles

[tribal stratus]

yeah that’s what occured

How do I know which are empty

Spies?

[rustic acorn]

spies, radar. otherwise only luck

in a way they are to be "consumed"

[tribal stratus]

I see.

Well it’s 1:48 am I was playing for 5 hours straight so. Thank you

I’ll try my best to finish off the allies tomoreow

[rustic acorn]

good luck 🙂

eastcoast?

[crystal torrent]

Any good infantry divisions templates for Germany?

[stuck garnet]

18 width 9/0s

Support arty

AA

Logistics

Initiative

At if mp

5 support companies may be iffy

[rustic acorn]

mp in infantry?

[crystal torrent]

Thanks

[stuck garnet]

No

[rustic acorn]

in garision yes

[stuck garnet]

Anti tank if multiplayer

Multiplayer not military police

[rustic acorn]

ah

sry

[stuck garnet]

Yous fine

[stuck garnet]

This division can do a decent amount of everything

[stuck garnet]

Wait

Signal companies

Is what i meant

[rustic acorn]

for ini yes

[stuck garnet]

Any other suggestions?

[tribal stratus]

Yep.

[rustic acorn]

nope, sounds fine to me

[crystal torrent]

Banjo you know any medium semi cheap tank designs by any chance for Germany ?

[stuck garnet]

3 man turret

Howietzer 1 or 2s if you have

Riveted

Christle and gasoline or diesel and torsion

Two heavy turrets and a radio and armor skirts or easy maintennance

4 armor

No more

As many speed ticks as you think you need

Spgs

[rustic acorn]

for speed keep in mind how speedy they are

[crystal torrent]

Cool this is for singleplayer or multiple players too?

[stuck garnet]

Sp

[rustic acorn]

the other divs are

[stuck garnet]

"Speed isnt a real stat" mfs are right and wrong

Speed doesnt matter most of the time cause youre gonna be fighting on bad terrain anywhos

But when it matters?

It matters.

[rustic acorn]

in plains hunting inf down

plop

[stuck garnet]

You can overrun

For mp just put on like

High velocity if cheap

Medium cannons if not

Run tds

If mp

[stuck garnet]

If i have tanks i want them to go fast sometimes

[gloomy bane]

currently playing as Sinkiang, and im trying to declare war on Qinghai Ma Clique, but even after getting the war justification from my focus tree, i cant because of this reason. Its the same for other countries as well. neither country should be considered a major country, so is it because im currently in a faction with the soviet union??

[glacial steeple]

youre in the comintern

the comintern only allows major countries to declare wars

[gloomy bane]

💔 okay, thank you

[oak jasper]

Is there a preferred way to share/discuss a ship design? I'm punting around the idea of making a reduced-cost destroyer for Atlantic convoy escort (i.e. a fancy DDE).

So far, I'm staring at 1273 cost for engine I, torps I, dual-purpose II, AA II, sonar+depth III and seaplane II.

[carmine lichen]

why is this a red zone even though my ships are literally in the zone

i js need hawaii to get this achievement

[wild rune]

Beat the US ships

[alpine dove]

u need to se tthem to a task like strike force or patrol

rn they are doing nothing and sitting in port?

at least according to the red exclamation mark

[torpid kiln]

I keep getting connection timed out

[dusty sandal]

That's not reduced cost
Escort dds are depth charges x2, cheapest light battery, engine 2, sonar 2 and that's it

[analog maple]

guys anyone got a good garrison template please?

[dusty sandal]

They literally aren't in the zone, as stated by the red 0/1

[dusty sandal]

8/9inf, support arty, aa, enginners

[analog maple]

ty

wait why aa?

resistence got planes?

[dusty sandal]

Oh you meant occupation div ?

[analog maple]

yea

[dusty sandal]

Then it's either 1cav
Or as much cav (minimum of 5) with support mp

[analog maple]

ty\

[fallen sphinx]

Why does millinium mod crash for me

I disabled other mods

[bronze grove]

inferior engine means you are more likely to get hit I don't think it is viable even against AI

[dapper pilot]

How can i do the thingy where my paratroopers deplete the strenght/org of the unit they land on?

[bronze grove]

paratrooper doctrine second pick

you only delete org tho

they're not nukes

It used to be broken but now you have a 1 month timeout everytime you drop

[fierce idol]

so what am I meant to do while "building up" like how do I best prepare to invade france (and deal with britain)

[fading fern]

In general you want to create a strong economy, get some experience for troops, generals and doctrines by fighting in civil wars, fix templates, make allies, research and see that your production lines are optimized

[fierce idol]

how do i optimise my production lines and fix my templates?

[patent pulsar]

What happens to my country if I lift the turkey communist party's ban and Im not communist?

Will my nation become commie?

I probably should have tried to know BEFORE I chose this path as a non-aligned turkiye

[fading fern]

Regarding templates, make sure you have your defensive and offensive templates outfitted with suitable support companies for their task and an optimized width.

For production what I mean is that you research what you need in time so that your production lines have time to reach max efficiency.

For example making sure that you have researched everything you need for medium tanks early enough so you actually produce them in the required numbers instead of switching the line to an upgraded version right before start off ww2 and thus producing tanks at 20% capacity for the first year

[lone sigil]

put one mils early on like on trucks and trains whatever you want later so it can build up effiencie

you dont wanna be out of trains and than put 80 mils on them

[analog maple]

why are my puppets blue??

ts lowkey fire why is it not always like this

[glacial steeple]

are they supervised governments

[analog maple]

yes

[glacial steeple]

yeah it does that

[analog maple]

it should be like this all the time

[zinc zealot]

can somebody help?

[carmine thunder]

Universal coloured puppets mod unless you want to play with achievements

[earnest notch]

Does upgrading the railway levels fix the lack of supply in some provinces of a state?. I always change it to trucks instead of the cavalry, and the infrastructure isn't that low.

[foggy rune]

as democratic germany how am I supposed to defend against Russia? they just have so many divisions that they overrun my entire frontline and I cant make a hole anywhere to get encirclements

I think I just don't understand combat in this game

I get my ass kicked in any war that's even close to even strength

I don't really get how to counter this when their divisions outnumber mine so much

I inflict double the casualties and they just don't care

[light knoll]

the main reasons you could lose, would be division design, supply, and terrain

what division are you using?

as for terrain and supply, when you form defensive lines, try to use good terrain for defense, e.g. mountains, forests, behind rivers. and make sure its places where you have supply hub nearby, and bonus points if you can make it that you have supply but the enemy is stretching far from their supply lines and doesn't have supply

generally for defensive units you should use 16 width (8 battalions) infantry division, usually with engineering and artillery support companies, as your base template to hold the line

[foggy rune]

my supply was good, I got good advice on that here last time I lost

and I had 8 inf, 2 artillery, and engineer support as my divisions

[light knoll]

yeah that's not good

don't use line artillery

only support

[foggy rune]

oh ok

just for defense or at all?

[light knoll]

at all

also forgot to mention, use anti air, that is super important

that could be a huge reason to why you're losing

especially if you don't have good airforce of your own

[foggy rune]

that was probably a big part of it, I don't really understand air or naval

although if this game is evidence of anything it's that I don't really understand land either lol

I've tried to watch videos to help learn but a lot of them are either outdated or assume you have basic knowledge and move too quickly

[verbal compass]

what templates should i go for as germany in multiplayer for tanks and infantry?

[light knoll]

a lot of them are also just wrong
try to watch segl, he's probably the most accurate one, and he does explain basic game mechanics

[foggy rune]

ok I'll watch his

[light knoll]

https://youtu.be/Dcp1ooD_YqY?si=AeoA9KXqPxVY9NhI
this is a nice explanation to the basics of what is each stats, probably good to start with this

[dusty sandal]

first step is to actually equip your divisions and have manpower to fill them
if you can't then you've already lost even before you declared the war

[foggy rune]

that looks hugely helpful

[dusty sandal]

it is, he also explains which one you need the most in singleplayer/multiplayer

[foggy rune]

I did actually have fully equipped and manned divsions before the war

[dusty sandal]

did you endlessly battleplan against the soviets ?

[foggy rune]

I don't know what that means lol

[dusty sandal]

did you activate the battleplan (attack order on the whole front) and just watched as red bubbles appeared everywhere ?

[foggy rune]

no I wasn't even trying to attack

I was just trying to hold the line

[dusty sandal]

also, you have 2000 political power which you could use to increase your manpower, stability and war support

[foggy rune]

how do I increase my manpower?

[dusty sandal]

change your conscription law

[foggy rune]

damn it I forgot I could do that lmao

[dusty sandal]

you should take a quick look at this https://youtu.be/QvHT121_lWQ
you seem to be quite lost (and that's ok, there's a lot of information to deal with). skip the parts you already know of

don't hesitate to pause the game and take a look at stuff, hover over icons and stats and it'll show you a tooltip. Take your time and you'll do fine

[foggy rune]

I often find with the tooltips, I understand the information, but not how to fix it

for example

before the war with Russia dragged me into it, I was pushing into Italy. a lot of their ground is really good defensively

so I understand that I'm at a major disadvantage, but not how to lessen it

[dusty sandal]

combat revolves essentially around division templates and equipment

the stat part is explained by segl in his vid here #ask-for-help-here message
basically, you want batter equipment for more stats.

Then there are modifiers : mountaineers will have more stats in mountains than infantry, infantry will have more than cavalry, cavalry will have more than tanks etc.
same thing with rivers, forests, hills and cities. Different units are best in different situations.

To smooth things out, there are support companies that add specific buffs (segl also has a video with tierlist and explaination of each one of them). For example, flame tanks, recon rangers and engineers support companies will reduce some terrain penalities when added to a division, no matter the units in them

[foggy rune]

OK thanks so much for all your help. I'll watch some videos and give it another go. You guys are awesome

Also I have at least stopped overstacking and I've gotten much better with supplies so your help has already been really beneficial

[dusty sandal]

that's good progress
also, I see in your screenshot that you don't have air superiority. While this can be a viable strategy, you should always be ready to contest enemy air when playing a major country. Now in any case, you should basically always have at least an anti-air support company in your divisions. To give you an idea of how important this is : anything can be pushed with about anything if you have enough close air support planes and air supremacy. Now with a single AA support compny you reduce damage inflicted onto your division by enemy air by 75%. all for about 70 cost (that's less than 1/10th of a small division cost)

[foggy rune]

Yeah I had zero consideration for air which was probably a large part of my problems

[crystal torrent]

What’s the best plane to make with out the dlc that give custome planes

[vital geode]

3 4x HMG, self sealing, armored plates, fuel tank

[primal igloo]

Why don't the numbers on this logistics screen add up for trains?

[dusty sandal]

if without the DLC just make light fighters that aren't outdated or, ideally, that are researched ahead of time

[dusty sandal]

the +51 is what you have available
the 71 are the total of trains you have (20 are currently used)

[lone sigil]

heavy fighters🤑 🤑

[lone sigil]

bro read again

[vital geode]

Fighters, 1940 small airframe

With that design

[lone sigil]

they question

[vital geode]

By Blood Alone

I answered your question with the 2nd one

You wanted the best plane with BBA

I gave you a design that should let you win the air war

[lone sigil]

it wasnt my question i know how air works

but he asked for a plane without the dlc

[vital geode]

You didn't say that but okay

Bruh

Im blind

I didn't see the out

Without is one word so I glossed over it

[lone sigil]

thats why i sad read again

[vital geode]

Just get the best fighter

Put engine 5 on it

And maybe some air attack as well

[lone sigil]

that costs like 1000 air xp

[vital geode]

No

Should be about 250?

[lone sigil]

idk

long time not played without tghe dlc

[vital geode]

I sometimes turn off DLC to experience the true vanilla experience

[fathom thistle]

Motorized division?

[lone sigil]

rocket bicicle

[neat widget]

<@&846894118219022336>

[leaden jay]

i have 300 ships in the area why cant i get supremacy

[neat widget]

are they set on patrol?

[lone sigil]

you need patrol as base and you can get strikeforce as multiplier if you do raiding it wont work

[tribal stratus]

Any suggestions for what to do, 1941 late. It’s historical and I played it mostly historical but strangely enough USA hasn’t joined. I just defeated the Soviets as Germany, out of resources out of oil out of manpower no political power and not enough planes to get superiority over Britain.

[serene karma]

Got it

[neat widget]

Oh thanks

[tribal stratus]

Is my economy going to recover since I just capitulated the union? I have 0 resources

[stray trellis]

should I take the recommended land doctrine here for Communist CHina?

[leaden jay]

i have some patrol but i still cant get dominance

[tight vector]

is this a decent division

that's the best organization I can get without going overboard

[lone sigil]

do line arty

more🤑

[elfin crystal]

does it still work where u make plane divisions really small to get aces?

[inner sparrow]

no

[tribal stratus]

Finished the Soviets it’s 1941. No idea what I’m doing here

No resources

No manpower

How do I get air or naval superiority with no manpower or ships

[alpine pivot]

whats your conscription law

[tribal stratus]

Military governor

Oh

[fathom thistle]

How much manpower did you lose ? 😭

[tribal stratus]

Uh I don’t have

Enough political power

[tribal stratus]

I’m going infa spam

I don’t have enough political power for by requirement

[alpine pivot]

how many divisions

[tribal stratus]

Probably around 200?

Little less

[fathom thistle]

But still. Just wait to have enough pp for construction law

[tribal stratus]

It’s going very very slowly

[alpine pivot]

delete some divs or sum idk

[vagrant marlin]

Can someone help i cant even do the tutorial

[tribal stratus]

That does not solve my problem of crossing the channel

[alpine pivot]

@vagrant marlin dm

[tribal stratus]

Watch YouTube there’s nothing you can do, it’s very difficult. Play as some small country not Italy

Too much confusion

[fathom thistle]

How many armies u have ?

[tribal stratus]

I have 2 field Marshalls with 8 generals

[fathom thistle]

If you want you can stream it and I can give ya basics. In like 2 hours when I'm home

[vagrant marlin]

Thanks

[lone sigil]

scraping the barrel?

[tribal stratus]

No.

Union war and infa spam

[fathom thistle]

All of them 36w infantry ?

[tribal stratus]

I’m only on limited

[tribal stratus]

Around there yeah

A few probably at 30

Soviet Union has been capitulated

[fathom thistle]

4-5 armies of 36w are enough. You can save mp there

[tribal stratus]

that’s only part of the issue though, I don’t have any resources or oil or anything to invade the Uk with and it’s 1941 September

The USA hasn’t joined in

My lack of manpower shouldn’t be the reason I can’t invade them, but every time I gain superiority even if for a second in the air it says I need more transport planes

Despite me having 300+

And I keep adding more

[tight vector]

What improvements can I make?

[fathom thistle]

Maybe they aren't in range?

[tribal stratus]

No they are

It says I need more and more though, and I keep adding more and more

And then I lose air superiority anyway

[fathom thistle]

Also if you have turned that small icon to motorize your army maybe that draining your oil. Or you have too many planes

[tribal stratus]

I only have around 1800

[fathom thistle]

I guess your last option is to just import it. Or if you have not developed oil field via pp decisions try that

[tribal stratus]

Oh wait maybe it’s finally going

Jesus

Please bro

Please

[fathom thistle]

Cheers

[tribal stratus]

Somehow they took out all their planes

Just gotta wait 2 more days

For the plan to finish

Nvm

They added planes back

Bro why do they keep doing that

So annoying

[fathom thistle]

Bomb their air fields

[tribal stratus]

Just tacs? And strategic?

[fathom thistle]

Ye

You still got air supremacy right?

[tribal stratus]

Nope it’s gone

It comes and goes as they deploy their planes up

[fathom thistle]

Don't you have like 1800 planes?

[tribal stratus]

And I stop

Yeah not enough over south London

They got fried

[fathom thistle]

How many fighters ?

[tribal stratus]

Around 1k

[fathom thistle]

Weird. What's your design?

Max out heavy mgs

[tribal stratus]

I’ll show

I have it on auto upgrade as well

I can’t rlly produce any planes though I guess

Maybe I’ll try just spamming them out

[fathom thistle]

Replace engine 3 with eng 2 and another heavy mg

[tribal stratus]

Alright

[fathom thistle]

Should help the ic

[tribal stratus]

I can get about 49.6

Superiority at most currently

And about 70% Strat bombing

[leaden cargo]

is it better to do mass mob infantry or medium tanks as USSR

[neat widget]

i know you meming

[lone sigil]

nah iam frfr

frfrfrfr

do 3/9 line arty

[neat widget]

no just do engine 3 at this rate
3 x 4hmg + range module + armored plate + self-sealing

[fathom thistle]

Mass mob inf but not the mass mob doctrine

[leaden cargo]

what doctrine then

also y not tanks

[fathom thistle]

Sfp

[leaden cargo]

why not tanks though

[fathom thistle]

No tanks dw

[fathom thistle]

You can if you want

[leaden cargo]

USSR has goated industry

[leaden cargo]

also, if I do mass mob infantry, do I still need air?

[fathom thistle]

Nope. If you are not going for UK then no

[leaden cargo]

but I will need AA

[fathom thistle]

Of course

Do you want template for inf or you got it?

[leaden cargo]

also wouldn't tanks cut through the German lines more easily than inf?

[leaden cargo]

uhhh it could help ig

[fathom thistle]

Sure. I personally just don't use them cuz I don't want to micro

[leaden cargo]

isn't it just

encirclements

over and over

[fathom thistle]

It's easier with tanks for sure

[stuck hinge]

what does this mean?

[leaden cargo]

if I do tanks

should I go for gbp?

[stuck hinge]

nevermind

[fathom thistle]

Yep

[leaden cargo]

do I milk army xp from Spain?

is exercising troops worth it

[left glacier]

🦒

[left glacier]

If you have a grand doctrine already, continuous training is best

That way, you have mastery points to reserve subdoctrines

[leaden cargo]

I see

what do subdoctrines bring

what benefits

[left glacier]

There are imediate benefits once you get a subdoctrine. Completing subdoctrine mastery is also required to get some of the benefits of your grand doctrine mastery

[leaden cargo]

I see

[boreal pecan]

someone suggest me some mods

[inner sparrow]

remove like arty and make ur spg if u add it have actual stats

200 soft is like burger nothing

at that point make just bare inf bc u get similar stats and it costs less

[tepid umbra]

japan gets a 1 year and 100% research bonus to light aircraft, is rushing air as japan better for the axis in mp now?

[tribal stratus]

How long should I expect it to take for the paratroopers to drop

It’s all good it seems now

But they aren’t dropping

How many days

Does that take

[royal vapor]

i wanna do welfare spending but this stupid ahh spirit still wants me to fight the germans, is this permanent? is this a bug? can i remove it?

[royal vapor]

like a day or two, check if you have enough transports, paradroppable divisions in the point from where you're dropping and that you have air dominance in all areas the planes are gonna pass through

[rustic acorn]

with green air and readyness they drop, in accordance to distance/speed of transport

short distances can be dropped within hours

island hopping or over the channel takes a bit longer

[vital geode]

Why is it double engines D:

[royal vapor]

bc 2 better than 1

[vital geode]

The cost...

You might as well just do heavy fighters

[near citrus]

how do i increase manpower? i capitulated austria and i dont have enough manpower to keep them in

[vital geode]

Increase recruitment law

Or don't waste manpower

The latter is a very good thing to do anyways

[near citrus]

how do i do that

[vital geode]

Click the flag

Go look at the laws and such

Same line where you can hire 3 guys

The leftmost one should be recruitment law if I remember correctly

[near citrus]

thanks

[vital geode]

This is not what I mean

I mean the leftmost on the line

Not the leftmost of the 3 guys

[tepid umbra]

Is japan rushing air better for mp now? They get an early on 1.0 year and 100% research bonus to light aircraft

[tribal stratus]

350 hours + on this game. Still can’t beat the allies.

This is just so depressing

Finally beat the Soviets for the first time though

I guess that’s something

[tepid umbra]

What do you struggle with

Is it invading the uk or can you do that

[mystic otter]

Are struggling with the allies after or before the usa join?
Cus even with your beginning navy you take the uk
The new update made it easy to have control of the English channel if you patrol with your surface fleet

[tribal stratus]

Honestly everything, I got lucky this game. I always get to Paris and typically can’t beat the allies

[tribal stratus]

Typically I never beat the Soviets, I did this game cuz they already declared on Finland and Finland joined my faction so I took them out by 40 using infa spam

But yeah, no idea how to invade the Uk

My paratroopers get shredded

And once the USA lands it’s not even fun anymore, it’s just eventual doom

[fathom thistle]

alr I can now if you want

[mystic otter]

Try and do incercle soviet units using tank dont try and slam into them

[tribal stratus]

that worked fine this game, but yeah I’m terrible with tanks and they take so long to produce and they are expensive

I just get 200+ soft attack 4 art 9 infa units

And 5 supports and I do decent enough

and my templates are mid

[mystic otter]

You don't need a huge numbers of divs 2 are goof enough to do small encercle

You can rush medium 1 and mecha 1 with Germany pretty early

[tribal stratus]

I did a few this game with infantry that’s the only reason why I capitulated the Soviets

[mystic otter]

You can go down the inf side of the army then

[tribal stratus]

I did yeah.

Idk, how do you defeat the Uk? Paratroopers never land

It’s frustrating

And I never get supermacy navally either

[mystic otter]

For uk tho
Reacher the second naval invasion one
Then put your entire surface on the English channel with your subs convoy raiding the surrounding area
Put all your cas on naval strike + some fighter on the English channel

You can build some destroyers to pad your navy numbers if needed

That usually works for me and never fails

[tribal stratus]

Hmm

The base German destroyers are good enough?

[mystic otter]

You can make build some naval bombers and put them on the channel to help your cas and navy

[tribal stratus]

I don’t rlly know how to use navy tbh

I’ll look into it since they did update it I guess

[mystic otter]

It takes a while to understand

[fathom thistle]

Spam max light attack light cruisers and you good (build around 20 before puttimg the, im uk)

thats all ngl

[tribal stratus]

Hmm

[royal rain]

What is a W nation for MP to overrun them (i dont want to hear germany)

[mystic otter]

Usa?

[fathom thistle]

ussr

[royal rain]

No majors

[mystic otter]

Tbh he doesn't need 20 cruiser the new update make ai split there navy to so many area that once all yours is in the eng channel you can get easy supremacy

He just need to put some port garrison so he can counter a naval invasion if the ai felt funny

[fathom thistle]

Oh, thats jsut bums xD

Love the hoi ai

[foggy rune]

I think I'm having a bug, my game is saying I need %100000 organisation to fight

[mystic otter]

I literally got supremacy with the starter navy no modification + cas on naval strike

Yh ai be funny sometimes :v

[fathom thistle]

lol nice

Nah after 17.0 they made it even dumber, idk how thats possible

[mystic otter]

Well considering the ai leave entire section of the front open for some reason
I am not complaining made my ussr game easier

[fathom thistle]

fr

[flint epoch]

help, whos cuter 🙂

[mystic otter]

Bulgaria with the battle to the bosporus dlc allow you to create the bulkan federation or smth

I once made it mid 40s i believe? Had enough time that by the 41 i was crushing major nation

Or was it made in 41 ? Cant remember been a while :P

[fathom thistle]

Poor boy has catpression

[flint epoch]

hahahahhahahhah

its a girli, the Cat-Panzer V alias Panther :):)

[fathom thistle]

Peak of german engineering

[fathom thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thousand-yard-stare-thousand-yard-stare-cat-ptsd-cat-soldier-cat-war-gif-9110270742088459827

[flint epoch]

This is a FRONTLINE CAT

[flint epoch]

THIS IS AN OFFICE CAT 🙂

hahahah

[fathom thistle]

tuxedo cats supremacy

[tepid umbra]

use marines

getting naval supremacy is easy with naval bombers

[half glade]

how do i beat germany as france

i also wanna remain democratic

[fathom thistle]

do you want to also attack or just defend from it and drain their manpwoer?

[half glade]

i mean i wanna do it asap

[royal rain]

You man the third bulgarian empire right?

Which is banned in most mp lobbys

[mystic otter]

Nope not the empire
The communist path

Down the yugo path

[fathom thistle]

extend maginot - put half of one army on maginot (18w infantry is fine) put second half at south in italy border. Make a frontline with your attacking armies at belgium Do not advance into belgium until germany captrures it Then advance with your attacking armies (either 36w inf or tanks with 36w)

thats like really oversimplified explanation

If you get red bubbles at maginot or italy just put some extra few 18w inf there

[tepid umbra]

get good tanks and air

and push

[royal rain]

oh okay

[mystic otter]

You need to make sure that yugo , romania , greece and turkey are comi or flip comy
You dont need all of them
It just once you do the focus every comi country in your alliance ( which the focus make and invite the commi nation i mentioned) will integrate them into 1 big nation

In my game i went with Romania, greece and yugo i ignored turkey

[royal rain]

i see that could work out for me

i will try that

thank you

[mystic otter]

That what you end up with

[royal rain]

that looks strong haahaa

[mystic otter]

With cores and everything
I left the game once i made the nation so nothing is set up :P

[mystic otter]

True it is if you make it early you have time to prepare before barb

[royal rain]

what that in the right corner down there with the map?

[mystic otter]

?

[royal rain]

How do I get that small minimap in the bottom right corner of the screenshot?

[mystic otter]

Do not you can technically also flip Albania but Italy usually take it so not worth trying

[marble solstice]

Im confused rn, Im doing an achievement which is capitulating france and poland before 1940, I got the achievement and the decision for vichy france or conquer all but france is still in europe with all its land except what ive conquered

[royal rain]

okay

[mystic otter]

Do you see that grey notch on the left of the map

Just press it

And the map open up

[royal rain]

Alr

[mystic otter]

Oh and be careful with your pp
That path is really pp heavy

[royal rain]

Yeah i already thought about it

[mystic otter]

For how precisely to get it you can check yt i think bitter steel did one a couple of years ago

[marble solstice]

Im confused rn, Im doing an achievement which is capitulating france and poland before 1940, I got the achievement and the decision for vichy france or conquer all but france is still in europe with all its land except what ive conquered

[royal rain]

I will watch that first

[mystic otter]

Did you capitulate france?

Or did the event just show up before that happens?

[marble solstice]

It showed up then I capitulated france but nothing happened

[mystic otter]

Weird maybe the game bugged out
Maybe try and reload your autosave?

Should be far enough before the event happens

[marble solstice]

ah it did it

and I did the achievement in 1937

[mystic otter]

Noice

[open radish]

I lost 600k attacking the soviets as germany Its that bad?

[sleek current]

it's a bit vague but i have two questions, have to get better at fighting wars and how to manage supplies better (for reference i have around 10 hours)

[mystic otter]

How much did you kill?

[marble solstice]

get a good amount of divisions, good templates, attack weak spots in the front lines, use CAS and air superiority

and build supply hubs then connect them with railways to your capital or other railways

[mystic otter]

Or switch the type of vehicle your supply use horses or motorised

[marble solstice]

yeah

[mystic otter]

To stretch the line of your supply more

[marble solstice]

i forget to do that though

[sleek current]

thank you for the advice, but i don't really know how to use anything other than ground troops

[open radish]

1.4m

I need help with tanks, i think my tanks sucks

[mystic otter]

F3 for air
Press on a plane icon
Add fighter and close air support ( of course build some first)
Choose them and press on the airspace you want them to fight in ( make sure you have yellow/green air before deploying the cas )

And that how you do air

[marble solstice]

what do they look like

[mystic otter]

And remember to choose the mission type above the add butotom

[sleek current]

thank you sir

[marble solstice]

like the tank designer template

[mystic otter]

No worries i recommend watching the tutorial on the hoi4 channel they made a new one with the last update

And bitter steal template guide

[marble solstice]

isnt there also a tutorial in hoi4?

like a tutorial game or smth?

[mystic otter]

Yh buts it's really bad

[marble solstice]

oh

[open radish]

Light:

Soeed 8.7
Armor 28.8
Piercing 20
Soft 15
Hard 5
Break 18
Real 96%

[mystic otter]

And confusing for beginners

[mystic otter]

Light tank?

As Germany?

[marble solstice]

send me a picture

[open radish]

Yes

[marble solstice]

Use mediums

they are better

[mystic otter]

You should have a medium you even have focus to let you get them early

[open radish]

Cant take prints oof

[open radish]

I have panzers 4

[mystic otter]

If your on a laptop fn+print or win+print

[marble solstice]

use panzer 4s then

[mystic otter]

Panzer 4 are the advance light? Cant remember all the tank names :P

Or was it medium

[marble solstice]

,edium

[sleek current]

is it normal for a mod to crash when i first try to use it

[mystic otter]

Yh use them then

[open radish]

I thnk its 1938 med

[marble solstice]

Improved medium

1940 medium

[mystic otter]

No unless its not up to date

[open radish]

I cant, the Pc just dies with prints

[sleek current]

hmm

[open radish]

Runs hoi4

But dies with prints

[marble solstice]

do you have the no step back DLC?

[open radish]

All DLCs

[mystic otter]

Can you use the sniping tool?

[open radish]

What?

[marble solstice]

Ill DM you of what to use

[mystic otter]

Never mind

[open radish]

Thanks man! Im in deep need to learn more advanced HOI4 stuff

[mystic otter]

In the paradox launcher
If the mod has a yellow/red mark it mean it's not up to date

[mystic otter]

No worries we all were like you

If you don't like to use tanks
You can go down the infantry path of the army

Prussian legacy i think it's name on the left side

[sleek current]

does this mean up to date

[tepid umbra]

idk but it should be up to date

[mystic otter]

Yh it mean it good
But millennium dawn is buggy and crashes are normal

[open radish]

Yeah. Im actually kinda bad with infantry as well, I always suffer a lot of deaths

[mystic otter]

Do you battle plan alot?

Or rely on battle planing in general

[open radish]

Kinda

Actually, a lot

[mystic otter]

You should use of 18width inf to hold
And have a small amount of 36 width inf for offense
Break the enemy at certain point and encircle them

[inner sparrow]

battleplanning isnt bad, u can beat 99% of hoi4 players and 100% ai with a proper battleplan build

[sleek current]

i have come to the decision that the mod will not work so i will be uninstalling it

[inner sparrow]

only issue is u have to not suck at eco management

and production

its easy tho

esp as germany

[mystic otter]

Its isnt bad
Bad if he wasnt to win with low casualties he need to learn how to micro a bit

[open radish]

I rlly want lower casualities

[mystic otter]

Yh that mod is famous for that
You can try novus smth its another modern mod that is more optimized

[open radish]

But 36 suffers a lot casualities, isnt it?

[inner sparrow]

micro os overrated any only really needed for high comp mp, battleplan build with big inf + air is all you need

straight up fool proof

[mystic otter]

You should be fighting the soviet in 36

Maybe 40 to 41

[inner sparrow]

36 is fine, best combat W to push and 36w battleplan builds just work most efficiently

[mystic otter]

Yh but it isnt bad to learn in sp
If he want to have some fun
Battle planing constantly will get boring eventually

[open radish]

I tought the higher the width, higher the deaths

[inner sparrow]

yeah

[open radish]

Humm okok. Btw, do you understand about tanks?

[inner sparrow]

I do yeah

[mystic otter]

More men > more org and hp > less casualties and less equipment loss

Or that how the math is i think

Correct me if i am wrong

[open radish]

Damn makes sense

[mystic otter]

For tank you should use them alone
Use some trucks , mechanzid hell even horses

[open radish]

Can you help me to build desings?

[mystic otter]

To give them some hp and org

[inner sparrow]

u can add engine clicks if u want speed aswell

take out tripple aa in template

[mystic otter]

In tanks you should focus on breakthrough and soft attack

[inner sparrow]

only needed in mp

[mystic otter]

Ah you went the sp build?
Wont it be confusing for him tho?

A standard tank should better for him to understand hows first dont you think?

[inner sparrow]

I mean spg is just thanos in singleplayer and its not too hard to change the role of the tanks

its like two clicks

[tepid umbra]

why the motorized AA

[inner sparrow]

thats for mp

[open radish]

Im on MP

[tepid umbra]

in mp you shouldn't use spa

[mystic otter]

He doesn't have support aa

[open radish]

Thanks man

[tepid umbra]

use tds

[inner sparrow]

u do for dday as dday marines are soft divisions

u only use the tds for french tanks

[open radish]

And thanks again for the 36w inf. @mystic otter how much art do you usually use on them?

[inner sparrow]

bro wants to teach me mp while having 0 mutuals so ik ur no hand no front

[mystic otter]

None only suppurt arty

Pure 36 inf

With signals and support aa

Flame tanks

And idk what else

[inner sparrow]

me when I never played a comp mp lobby

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/928390486044074044/1450162078076895242/gwkking-sticker.gif

[mystic otter]

36 pure inf have so much hp and org you simply outlast your enemy
Remember to take grand assualt and large unit tactics in your sub doctrine

[inner sparrow]

guys don’t use spgs vs allied marines to click them out on dday!!

[tepid umbra]

I don't friend people 😭

[inner sparrow]

u also have 0 shared server so ik u don’t play comp lobbies

[tepid umbra]

You're not in every server

[inner sparrow]

theres like 15 comp servers and 5 from these have actual good players

[mystic otter]

@open radish if you need any more advice just ping me

[inner sparrow]

again spgs are good for dday, they are good for el ala aswell and africa larping

u only need tds for dday against french tanks

barb is another story and also on barb current meta is base heavy for max break, ger could do tds for barb but sovs can’t

[open radish]

Oh thanks bro!

[inner sparrow]

bc u can’t even click a plane tile with less than 1.8k break in base template

[open radish]

Alr! I will remember that

I will actually test them pretty soon

Im in the middle of a MP

Atm i need help with good tanks

Cuz im facing 2 major nation soon

[inner sparrow]

as what nations are u playing?

[boreal pecan]

you should pass me some of those links

are there any eu based ones?

[inner sparrow]

join rb, its my server tag

[boreal pecan]

I hate having to play when game goes to 4am

[inner sparrow]

yeah

[mystic otter]

You host games?
You accept beginner in mp? Never tried them

I mostly play sp

[inner sparrow]

I don’t host on rb but its best vanilla-based mp server

[mystic otter]

Ah i see

[inner sparrow]

and we do accept new players but u have to play beginner nations first and if u played well u can play higher

[neat widget]

also isn't armored engineers an artifact of multiplayer rules sets? and shouldn't you change those out for assault engineers?

[mystic otter]

Like minor nation? The major get reserved correct?

[inner sparrow]

yeah armored is bc of ruleset, the template is that from rb

I didn’t go into sp and made one myself, too lazy

but yeah assault would be better

[inner sparrow]

some smaller minors that don’t have too big impact and after we know ur good u can play most minors

for majors you have to play more and join as coops first

[mystic otter]

I see
How long do mp match usually last?

[inner sparrow]

4hours roughly

[mystic otter]

Also sorry if i am asking to many questions :P

[inner sparrow]

depends how many terrorists that perma disconnect are in the lobby

[inner sparrow]

its fine dw

[mystic otter]

That 4h time i csn actually join
Although i need to try and play more minor most of my main time in the game have been with Germany ussr and usa

[inner sparrow]

theres a lot of country guides for mp on the server if u never played nations

so new players can get the hang of the nations they play

[mystic otter]

I will check them up thanks

[inner sparrow]

np

[boreal pecan]

is ur server eu based or

when do games happen

[open radish]

Germany

[inner sparrow]

the server has players from most off the world but game is getting hosted on eu timers

usually 7-8pm cet

[inner sparrow]

for mp build heavy tanks

u can do normal heavies or tds

[boreal pecan]

Ohh

Rip

[mystic otter]

7 to 8?
Damn i cant join in such time

[open radish]

And med? Do you know any good template?

[inner sparrow]

on weekends yeah

[inner sparrow]

same template u would do as on heavies just with one less extra gun

do high velo 2 as ur main gun

[boreal pecan]

Same

[inner sparrow]

tho I don’t recommend doing mediums

[neat widget]

medium tds on mech wall though?

I forgot they were banned on coastline in rb

[boreal pecan]

I could probably play like bulgaria in a mp game

I reckon thats easy

[inner sparrow]

medium tds are good for inland mechs

[inner sparrow]

in high comp prob hardest axis minor

and most important

[boreal pecan]

whats easiest

hungary?

[neat widget]

Yeah

[inner sparrow]

romania

[boreal pecan]

romania is just inf wall no

[inner sparrow]

and after hungary

[inner sparrow]

hungary is aswell

[boreal pecan]

and u dont build any tanks?

no planes?

[inner sparrow]

yeah only good tank nation in axis is germany

and air hungary doesn’t have the eco to build

[boreal pecan]

Could i play like

hmm

Like south africa or something

Or canada

[inner sparrow]

canada is usually ac in our lobbies and hard to play bc brazil ac is banned but saf yeah

[boreal pecan]

Whats ac

[inner sparrow]

air controller

[boreal pecan]

what does that do

[inner sparrow]

u send all the air your faction produces to that nation and he controls all the air

usually the nation with best air buffs

[boreal pecan]

So canada is just boring air micro

Okay

[inner sparrow]

yes

[boreal pecan]

Raj is hard ?

[inner sparrow]

one of the harder ones but fun

u have to hold against japan so it becomes hard ofc

but its strong

[boreal pecan]

What do u recommend for mp noobs

[inner sparrow]

smaller inf nations till u know the basics and from there play whatever u want

hungary is good and fun, saf is nice

[boreal pecan]

ive seen the mods people play with for mp

[inner sparrow]

brazil aswell

[boreal pecan]

Theres like

new artilleries

Pack arty

stuff like that

[inner sparrow]

yeah those arent vanilla base mods

like tfb or horst

[boreal pecan]

rb is vanilla based?

[inner sparrow]

yes

[boreal pecan]

ok

Thats nice

[neat widget]

Yeah RB doesn't use those mods

[boreal pecan]

Do you know any servers that host earlier than 7-8?

[inner sparrow]

we play hmm that doesn’t change anything when it comes to combat and divisions

[neat widget]

Wonder if you have tried those mods though

[boreal pecan]

All the ones i know do this time and i would need to leave like 1hour before end of game

[boreal pecan]

i just watch alot of dankus and i see his game and its very different

[mystic otter]

Same

[inner sparrow]

theres giampiers or bismark but they host some weird road to 56 knock off

and arent that competitive

[boreal pecan]

hm hm

[inner sparrow]

horst is alright mod but I don’t like it

[mystic otter]

There the pixel rp road to 56 I've seen tommykay play it

[inner sparrow]

overall fun if u like bloat

[boreal pecan]

mp just feels like bloat with those mods

[inner sparrow]

idk when they host but it’s an rp server and they don’t like comp players

[boreal pecan]

6 diff type of artillery

300 starting factories

[inner sparrow]

if u enjoy noob gmes with rp tho, play it

[inner sparrow]

it is

[mystic otter]

I want to play mp to have fun with people i honestly dont care if its competitive

[boreal pecan]

i guess it makes way for more skill

as theres more to manage

more units in fight aka more interesting

[analog maple]

anyone know how to defeat the germans as france?

[inner sparrow]

then play, rp games are prob more fun than comp games

[boreal pecan]

when exactly

[neat widget]

Don't they reduce the amount these factories produce though?

[analog maple]

wdym

[boreal pecan]

yea i think

[boreal pecan]

When do you want to go to war with germany as france and what path are u taking

early war?

or more like

after poland

dies

or althist entirely

[analog maple]

it eiter 1938 with czechia 1939 with britin and poland or later when he declares on me

but i cant declare earlier than that

[boreal pecan]

what are u struggling with

defence?

attack?

[analog maple]

winning

like im just getting steamrolled

[boreal pecan]

through the maginot line?

if not maginot then

[inner sparrow]

go nations block and rush to get rid of disjointed, build mils day one in mainland, spam out cheap 16w as holders, put 20 guns on mils, rush mech produce mech and spgs and then snake with the spgs

[boreal pecan]

try defensive lines

[analog maple]

no i uselly take the benelux

[boreal pecan]

in tiles

[inner sparrow]

u can also just do only 16w and go air battleplan build

[analog maple]

the point is to win not to hold

[boreal pecan]

to win u have to hold

very easy to win afterwards

[inner sparrow]

u win with having green air or building tanks

[crystal fox]

yo gangalang

[analog maple]

what spgs

[inner sparrow]

holding is easy

[inner sparrow]

this

[crystal fox]

i played germany in the 1939 start as a joke

[boreal pecan]

i doubt he even has the dlc

[crystal fox]

and i somehow beat poland and the benelux

[analog maple]

i do

[crystal fox]

but then France sorta defended belgium

[boreal pecan]

then i dont see how like

your having a problem

[crystal fox]

and it was a stalemate

[boreal pecan]

listen to ts guy

[analog maple]

do you have a division/design on you i can use?

[boreal pecan]

do you have tanks

or cas

[crystal fox]

gng it was 1939 start

BUT

[inner sparrow]

remove the aa and replace with mechs

[analog maple]

do you have green air?

[crystal fox]

when i played 1936

i somehow lost

[boreal pecan]

yes

[crystal fox]

🤷‍♂️

i js played

did air support n shi i duno

[inner sparrow]

save 100 army experience and cheapen ur mech as soon as you have it so it only costs 4ic instead of 8

[boreal pecan]

to breakthrough the belgium defence u need cas and tanks or just high soft attack stuff

[crystal fox]

yeah i mostly did

but the french AND british i think sent troops

[boreal pecan]

Mostly?

[boreal pecan]

It doesnt matter

You should be breaking through

Did you make tanks?

[crystal fox]

well i didnt

[crystal fox]

❌

[boreal pecan]

How much mils on planes?

How much cas did you have deployed and did you have air supremacy

[crystal fox]

i had air supremacy in the beginning

then it showed i didnt anymore

[analog maple]

do i just use the normal spg design?

[boreal pecan]

Right

So thats what went wrong

Too little air and no tanks

[crystal fox]

well i hopped off once that happened 😭

but point is, green bubbles

almost

[inner sparrow]

no use the design I sent

[boreal pecan]

almost doesnt count

[inner sparrow]

rush for arty 2 aswell to get the gun

[boreal pecan]

how much stuff did you have on like guns

support equipment

artillery

More than 30 is doomed

[crystal fox]

gangalang i wanna do a 1936 start and i get good, but i always lose to poland can you help me out 🙏

oh and

to answer your queries

[boreal pecan]

i can help you

[crystal fox]

yo gng i would rlly need that

like

i have a hang on the game

in theory

but i always fumble some shi

[boreal pecan]

right

should i message you

[wheat spoke]

if russia takes poland but I have the pact signed will it cede to me and bring me to war witht he allies or no?

[lone sigil]

not if you play like the soviets

[wheat spoke]

yes no?

[lone sigil]

prop no

[wheat spoke]

thanks

[karmic idol]

whats the best way to use tanks with infantry?

[split isle]

What countries are considered chinese? I'm so confused

[open radish]

What about desing?

[inner sparrow]

if u really want mediums for mp this

but with better main gun

ofc loses hard against actual heavies

[neat widget]

high velocity 2 better

but yeah

[glacial steeple]

hiii clown

hoi4 recon tank

[swift burrow]

How do I do anything as Lebanon

[glacial steeple]

lebanon kinda sucks

[swift burrow]

Can I after I become independent use spies to infiltrate Syria to orchestrate a coup

[glacial steeple]

youd need a sevond state for a civil war

[glacial steeple]

yes

[swift burrow]

Yeah but it's my country and I really wanna make it work

[glacial steeple]

its pawsible

[leaden cargo]

as USSR should I spam civs immediately or build infrastructure first

[neat widget]

Makes sense

[swift burrow]

That's genuinely driving me mad as I have to wait for France to fall and then I'm dragged into war

Could I rush 10 focuses and then keep the autonomy continuous focus going

Or would that take too long

[inner sparrow]

hey

[inner sparrow]

thats what I said

[neat widget]

Fair

[swift burrow]

How can I raise my autonomy besides that focus?

[inner sparrow]

build infra in moscow, stalingrad and stalino or usha

[inner sparrow]

and then civs till late 37 and after that mils

latest u should start building mils is jan 38

as soviets

[bronze grove]

@pliant condor what is new with the new attrition calculation and how does it effect old strategies?

[swift burrow]

If there even is a way

[neat widget]

which nation

[swift burrow]

Lebanon

[leaden cargo]

in 1939 I start mass producing tanks and air, yes?

[swift burrow]

The continuous focus

Which raises 0.5 daily

Is there another way

[inner sparrow]

u can do air vs ai but I don’t recommend air usually on sovs

against ai its fine

[neat widget]

lend leasing to your overlord plus fighting in wars gives you autonomy

[leaden cargo]

but if I want to do tanks, air is king

[inner sparrow]

look at your air modifiers and at the foucs, have fun doing it in time

but its ai so ur fine

just worse than not doing air

[swift burrow]

Yeah but I really don't wanna get dragged into the war with the allies and I want to kinda do stuff in the Levant

[inner sparrow]

ur gonna win anyways with a good build and decent tanks

[swift burrow]

Say france falls and Syria is under Vichy France

Could I use spies to infiltrate Syria and get it independent and invade it to take it?

[neat widget]

if all else fails you can add motorized aa

[leaden cargo]

is this a good tank?

[bronze grove]

do the rightmost political branch (democracy) and get volunteer spirit then send volunteers to both spain and china

[neat widget]

that's a relaly long process tbh

no manpower though

we're talking about lebanon

[inner sparrow]

change the role to spg

[swift burrow]

Theres a focus that gives manpower

[inner sparrow]

but besides that yeh

[leaden cargo]

why spg?

[swift burrow]

And army xp

[bronze grove]

autonomy gain from war participation is enormous

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But I think it's under fascist

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yeah that's the problem

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also is 1938 tank chassis required

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got buffed with new update, only 2width now and very good doctrines

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or can I do interwar

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communist path also gives weekly manpower too

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So basically create a military and fight using lend leased convoys?

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no u can do interwar but if u click into bad tiles u will nuke yourself

so if ur bad at micro rather get basic chasis

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Communist path also gives HELLA political power

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I've never mentioned lend lease dude.

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Lebanon has NO navy

Where am I making convoys

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lend leasing to puppets is okay because you can annex and get the equipment back

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With what dockyards

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okay

also

what doctrine should I do

I am lost with the doctrines since the new update

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true

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Usually Burma gives me lend lease

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I last played hoi4 in September

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I said send volunteers to china and spain, you can't even send navy as volunteer. I don't get what you are talking about

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I mean lend lease I have no convoys or anything to send my troops to

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lend leasing to overlord is stupid because you are never getting it back

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gbp as main, individuals is great inf doctrine, idk where the spg one was so u have to search for that one, besides that armored spearhead is good, mobile & recon is great and grand assault aswell

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Basically I can only really fight in the war

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I never told you to lend lease anything

I just said send volunteers

and farm war participantion

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Yeah I know but how am I supposed to send volunteers do they just get there without needing a navy

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they don't need no navy dude

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Ight thank you

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they just teleport in 14 days by game logic

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so the main doctrine should be mass assault?

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no? gbp as main

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I have 2 research slots what should I use them for

Just the basic

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grand battleplan

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ok

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Or something else

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Inf equipment

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industry and then inf equipment

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generic focus tree gives you nice research bonuses for inf equipment

rush inf eq 39 and 42 if possible

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You can get like gun 1942 by 1940

Do that

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Ight

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generic focus tree is goated tbh

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So I should do for my first 2 Inf 1 and like basic machine tools?

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do industry first in early

unless u dont have inf equipment yet