ask-for-help-here

[split scaffold]

I do enjoy my cookie clickers

[cerulean abyss]

what would you add for the US

in the brand new dlc "arsenal of democracy"

[split scaffold]

Nothing. USA is perfect. 🫡

[spark swallow]

I think you get a decision too

[cosmic rain]

I stopped buying dlc after AAT. Are any of the new ones even worth buying?

[wintry arch]

Is it good to get civ greedy as hungary

[cerulean abyss]

Nah I need badass focus icons

[split scaffold]

Really though, the focus tree could use a rework, for sure. It's not BAD, but it's hard to want to do anything other than "we do a little communism then go limited intervention, send volunteers to china to push japan back into the sea, then curb stomp everyone else"

[cerulean abyss]

It needs a more in depth military tree

[cosmic rain]

Depends how greedy

[cerulean abyss]

If any country in all of HOI4 needs a bigass annoying military tree its the US

[split scaffold]

I don't think the decision populates if you get it through a focus.

[wintry arch]

This kind of greedy:

[opaque mauve]

The decision is only there for countries who don't have a focus for it

and only after 1941 I think

[split scaffold]

USA for example, circa 1942.

[opaque mauve]

Build infra before civs

Faster

Esp on low mob

[wintry arch]

Oooh that makes sense

[cerulean abyss]

Man the focus icons just look so dated

[wintry arch]

I'll do that first for now on

[opaque mauve]

Always infra on high slot states until you have partial

[split scaffold]

they're classic. like a 1969 chevelle 😎

[cerulean abyss]

this is 1945 bruh

or 1941

[split scaffold]

you know what i mean

[opaque mauve]

If you want civ greed know how to greed big

[cerulean abyss]

whatever. im trying to build a massive bomber fleet to glass half of europe, not make a cutesey little support air corps to defend democracy :333333

im tryin to make hell look like a santuary compared to germany in late 44

[wintry arch]

I get very greedy when I play as majors

Except japan

I go mil greedy

[cosmic rain]

Does anybody really bother with strate bombing or nah

[glacial steeple]

chat rate my division

[split scaffold]

It's not that good.

[wintry arch]

Very expensive

[glacial steeple]

5K is expensive now?

[split scaffold]

But it doesn't need to be that good when you're a major.

[cerulean abyss]

im doing full strat bombing in my current usa playthrough with new doctrines

its going to be so peak

[cosmic rain]

I just cant be arsed to make a whole separate design and a production line

Just for strat bombing

[wintry arch]

Wait its only 5K?! I was looking at the wroong one lolll

[bleak helm]

how can i get the puppet state with japan in indonesia and all ?

[split scaffold]

how is it THAT expensive when you have only mech?

[glacial steeple]

do u like the org and recovery rate

[cerulean abyss]

every time I play USA I put atleast 40 factories on strat bombers

maxxed out ones too with 6 engines and like 5 bomb bays

[cosmic rain]

Recovery rate is per hour right

[glacial steeple]

yes

[cosmic rain]

Jesus

[wintry arch]

Holy cow that org is high

[glacial steeple]

new doctrines are gooodd

[split scaffold]

bro goes full peacemaker

[cosmic rain]

Does it really help much or nah

[cerulean abyss]

literally what i name my strat bombers

[wintry arch]

fr

Show me doctrine

Is it a custome

[opaque mauve]

I mean if you have the production for it (USA) then yeah, dump bombs

[cerulean abyss]

ive switched to germany in my campaigns sometimes to see the damage and its had like nearly 1/3 of their military factories in a constant state of needing repairs

[wintry arch]

Which option do you all usually go for? This is vanilla

[cosmic rain]

So how many factories would you say that is

[split scaffold]

I love my friendship boats.

[glacial steeple]

US production is quite bad tbh

[split scaffold]

I respect it

[glacial steeple]

each of their mils produces like half what a german mil does 😭

[split scaffold]

this is a take

[cerulean abyss]

cant tell off the top of my head

[glacial steeple]

garbage MIOs too

[opaque mauve]

What

[cerulean abyss]

it has dated content

[opaque mauve]

How does it produce half of what german does

[split scaffold]

....also a take?

[glacial steeple]

you have the air one thats like okay

thats decent

the rest sucks

[wintry arch]

All options of this give me fascism I don't want fascism 😭

[split scaffold]

they're basically the same, other than the air one, which is actually my least favorite. where is my dedicated fighter MIO for agility maxing, Paradox?

[opaque mauve]

Disband the fascists?

[glacial steeple]

no?

you have medium tank MIO which sucks

your navy doesnt have raiding

[cerulean abyss]

USA production buffs and new MIOs will drop with USA dlc

[split scaffold]

i dont want raiding

[cerulean abyss]

the powercreep must continue

[wintry arch]

Going to be honest I completly forgot that was a feature

[split scaffold]

i want carrier specialists and subs mio

[glacial steeple]

you do because visibility buffs

its better for surface ships

[opaque mauve]

??? it's literally them middle option

[split scaffold]

my guy i force GB to go bad so I have something to do with my boats

[wintry arch]

I wasn't looking XD

[neat widget]

which doctrines

[split scaffold]

im building cruiser subs with maxed floatplane launchers

[opaque mauve]

"which option do I pick" hasn't even read the options

[opaque mauve]

Yess

Max spotting doctrine

I love that build

[glacial steeple]

its so good for mechwall

[neat widget]

are you trying to be d-day wall or something

[opaque mauve]

oh wait cruiser subs

Not seen that

nvm

[glacial steeple]

im just looking

[split scaffold]

i dont need a surface visibility buff for my 15 starting BBs that I max out with dual purpose secondaries

[spark swallow]

Vis is good for every ship

[split scaffold]

no argument there

[neat widget]

Wait

I saw that recovery rate

2.79 recover rate

[spark swallow]

-%vis =%shots missed

[neat widget]

woah

[cerulean abyss]

which strat bomber path provides the most strat bombing

[glacial steeple]

heheheh

[neat widget]

don't show this to sheep

[opaque mauve]

You want spotting light cruisers with as many floatplanes as can make, as fast as they can, and assign one per sea zone on do not engage

[neat widget]

no seriously don't

[glacial steeple]

sheep would like it

[opaque mauve]

They find everything quick and run away so your fleet can come blow it up

[split scaffold]

i WANT to do something silly with my little long range boys while I tech to fleet subs.

[opaque mauve]

Ok fair

[split scaffold]

max vis light cruisers are v good too tho, good point

[neat widget]

I know sheep would that's why I'm saying to not to

[opaque mauve]

I loved finding out about that build

[split scaffold]

almost certainly better.

[opaque mauve]

It's mainly the dectection, vis is just a nice bonus

[split scaffold]

max *detection sorry

actually

i might have bad news.

[opaque mauve]

Oh no is it dead

[split scaffold]

Is it worth triple the IC for an extra float plane slot and some extra speed?

[glacial steeple]

?

you dont need subs

[split scaffold]

bro i dont need anything, this is america

[glacial steeple]

visibility is just the chance of your enemy hitting you

[opaque mauve]

Yes they never die with high speed

[glacial steeple]

thats the reason its good

[opaque mauve]

Subs will get seen and chased

[split scaffold]

my cruiser subs never die

[glacial steeple]

doesnt matter if you have a surface ship or not

[opaque mauve]

oh really?

[split scaffold]

if they're chased they're spotting...?

[opaque mauve]

if they get seen back

[split scaffold]

not NEVER but like... very rarely

[glacial steeple]

sub visibility is low but theyre easy to counter

[opaque mauve]

Probably harder to be detected than the cruiser

[glacial steeple]

with naval bombers + fighters over a seazone

but ai doesnt do that

[split scaffold]

ding ding ding

[opaque mauve]

True

Is nav bombing still OP against subs or is that fixed now

[glacial steeple]

extremely easy to counter subs tho

dont fall for the destroyer trap

you will end up chasing subs forever and dying to no convoys

[split scaffold]

i leap headfirst into the destroyer trap

[edgy pendant]

The country that many people overrate?

[split scaffold]

i do not experience that.

i am one of those people

[glacial steeple]

well maybe not in singleplayer but you can in fact tell subs to go elsewhere/make more

as long as every raid kills convoys its a success

[opaque mauve]

USA is good because it gets 4 years of nothing to build up, has infinite resources, and really good tech

[split scaffold]

correct

[opaque mauve]

it wouldn't feel as good if it had an impending invasion

or a war it had to intervene in right away

[split scaffold]

sometimes communist mexico gets a little froggy

[neat widget]

I've seen players die even when they have thousands of naval bombers because for some reason in those games the submarines kill the convoys first and then the bombers kill the subs second

[split scaffold]

sending volunteers in china in 38 is pretty fun

[opaque mauve]

You reminded me why I came here in the first place

And people seem more knowledgeable here now

[edgy pendant]

One big things are definitely research and resources. Still the most overrated major. The dlc from the last 4 years have kind made it worse and worse because of the stat bloat other countries have gotten

[neat widget]

That's interesting the Seaplane Tender module > Floatplane Catapult 2 module when dealing with sub detection

[wintry arch]

Someone rate this division:

[glacial steeple]

no fighters up moment

no detection

[split scaffold]

I'm a little confused on why the sub/surface detection on those is flipped.

[cerulean abyss]

is there any like objectively wrong strike aircraft doctrine path to take

[opaque mauve]

I don't think you need maintainance for inf

[spark swallow]

Vanilla USA is gets obline really quickly

[wintry arch]

Why?

[spark swallow]

Because each time a South American nation turns ideology you get ws

[opaque mauve]

You don't need reliability on the inf equipment

[spark swallow]

Cav recon garbage

[opaque mauve]

Because it's cheap af and doesn't matter if it gets lost

[glacial steeple]

wrong

[spark swallow]

22 width also bad

[glacial steeple]

only when they go communist

and all of the americas

[spark swallow]

Same thing

[glacial steeple]

not just south

[opaque mauve]

Cav recon is cheap though, I was going to say use AC recon but it's more expensive

[glacial steeple]

often theyll go fascist

[spark swallow]

🤓

[opaque mauve]

and truck recon is way more expensive afaik

[glacial steeple]

armored car is singleplayer meta if you wanna win the fastest

not as recon tho

[opaque mauve]

Someone earlier was saying signals is a big improvement for infantry now because of doctrine

[wintry arch]

What recon should I use?

[spark swallow]

Always was just expensive

[glacial steeple]

tank or ranger recon

[spark swallow]

It might be even better now tho

[glacial steeple]

the rest suck

[spark swallow]

In sp just use rangers

[opaque mauve]

Wait tank recon on inf?

[spark swallow]

Because you don’t need equipment for it

[spark swallow]

Gives break

[glacial steeple]

breakthrough stats

[wintry arch]

I don't know if rangers is free, because I don't have No Compromise No Surrender

[opaque mauve]

You still get rangers from mountaineers doctrine if you have AAT

[wintry arch]

I have all the free DLC's and the expansion pass 1

[spark swallow]

No as in you don’t need to fulfil the equipment for the bonuses

Also it came out in aat

[edgy pendant]

USA is also unplayable without air craft conversion which like 90% or more of players don’t know

[spark swallow]

Just trade all your civs to dei 👍

[edgy pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-hank-scorpio-homer-simpson-you-only-move-twice-gif-20385109

[opaque mauve]

Oh ok, because it's easier to get big breakthrough light tanks?

and because it's support company you don't lose org for it

[edgy pendant]

But no legit, it’s the difference of almost like 100 mils by 1941

[neat widget]

They had full aerial superiority on these times, so that can't be the reason

[spark swallow]

Light tank recon allows you to add light tanks, and you can stack break on light tanks

[neat widget]

yeah

[spark swallow]

Basically free

[opaque mauve]

Ah

[spark swallow]

It’s like 10 tanks per div or smth

[opaque mauve]

24

[opaque mauve]

Really interested in this, I thought their org was too low to be useful

[neat widget]

Yeah

[neat widget]

You can get like 28 org on them, so it isn't too bad

[edgy pendant]

Tbf in sp you can use only light tanks and win

[opaque mauve]

So do you treat them like light tanks or cheap mech?

my first assumption was cheap mech till I saw the org, but ik there's a bunch of org for them in doctrines now so it might be better than I thought

[cerulean abyss]

i still have no idea how to design ships

specifically destroyers and battleships

[opaque mauve]

I wish I was that confident lol

[opaque mauve]

Depends on who you listen to, and what you want them for

[cerulean abyss]

Simple

[opaque mauve]

Fleet destroyers don't need much, just a little bit of AA

[cerulean abyss]

Blow up the main japanese fleet

[opaque mauve]

Escort destroyers need depth charges

[cerulean abyss]

Is it really worth building escort destroyers when I can just use naval bombers and use my american industry to build even more convoys to suffice until their subs are gone?

[opaque mauve]

Battleships you just want heavy attack and armour that won't slow you down too much

Yeah that might mostly work

but escort is still good to have afaik

[cerulean abyss]

Im america ill have dockyards lying around

[opaque mauve]

Exactly

Throw out some cheap destroyers with one good depth charge module and a sonar

[cerulean abyss]

but how do i build fleet screen destroyers and escort ones respectively

also is it worth it to make cruisers

[opaque mauve]

Yes

Light crusers can stack light guns to kill enemy screens

as USA I think you skip CA and just go for BS BB

Where you just want reasonably fast with some armour, and as much heavy attack as is reasonable

Your capital ships also want high AA

So like, highest AA module you have + one dual purpose

[edgy pendant]

US builds SHBBs

[opaque mauve]

Oh yeah SHBB

[glacial steeple]

no

[opaque mauve]

Throw a few of them in too

[edgy pendant]

AA is also useless now on ships

[opaque mauve]

?

[glacial steeple]

theyre useless in a combat role basically

[opaque mauve]

oh bc screening ?

[cerulean abyss]

its a big boy

[edgy pendant]

No, carrier fighters

[opaque mauve]

Oo

[cerulean abyss]

what should i change

[spark swallow]

Battleships: all aa wherever possible

[opaque mauve]

Ok my knowlege is pre naval rework I'll disclaimer

[edgy pendant]

Carrier fighters on fully defensive wipe NAVs out

[spark swallow]

Add main batteries as you have eco

[copper birch]

Can somebody send me a navy template(All of navy ships)

[spark swallow]

DDs: don’t make unless it’s a torpedo dd build

[edgy pendant]

Max light attack now not AA

[spark swallow]

Which can be good

[glacial steeple]

you use them for speed

[spark swallow]

Oh

[glacial steeple]

you dont win fights you shouldnt win because their combat stats are very bad

[opaque mauve]

Surely you still want enough AA to stop the planes that do get through

[cerulean abyss]

should i change this

[glacial steeple]

but you win wars faster

[opaque mauve]

It's not expensive

[spark swallow]

I think that’s all Carrie now

[opaque mauve]

Interesting

[cerulean abyss]

also building plenty of fleet carriers. from what ive heard you just want to slap as much hangar space as possible on carriers

[edgy pendant]

Was tested in RB, with carrier fighters on fully defensive defense, NAVs are useless against navy. Carriers act as shields now

[opaque mauve]

To figure all this shit out I'd have to play a UK or US game and ICBA to play that, I just want to play naval coop for one

[opaque mauve]

Oh cool so they actually work like the doctrine describes them

[opaque mauve]

So with that input, less AA, and make sure you refit the radar when you can

[edgy pendant]

We think it’s a bug

[opaque mauve]

Radar is free stats

Oh

[opaque mauve]

Lmao

How many guns do you want

all of htem

[cerulean abyss]

that one might be a bit lacking on the hard attack side

incase i need to remove an island

[opaque mauve]

You fire one volley, it misses, bores through the crust of the earth, and accidentally wipes out berlin

Is going that all in on HA worth it?

Ig you have infinite steel and dockyard ic so

I'm used to working within reasonable constraints XD

[opaque mauve]

With respect to the cost of losing something so expensive vs being able to blow things out the water

[opaque mauve]

Guessing that template isn't 1936 then with helis and SHSPG

So the gameplan is make one hole and then just drive off?

[gusty briar]

Wow the way they changed navies impact on war score is kinda nuts, joined the war against japan in 41 and immediately naval invaded ended up with 65% for tge peace conference like 9/10th of my score coming from navy

[opaque mauve]

Oh cool

[gusty briar]

I used to get lucky to get 25%

[pliant condor]

it's more efficient to use less guns(and more secondary)

also use armor 3

[cerulean abyss]

wont that make it slow

[opaque mauve]

How is it more efficient to use less guns?

[pliant condor]

speed is irrelevant

[opaque mauve]

No it isn't

[pliant condor]

and having 6 guns make it slow

[pliant condor]

yes

[gusty briar]

Secondary slows it down a lot less than main guns

[pliant condor]

it's just not relevant

[opaque mauve]

Speed is hit chance and retreat speed and response time

[pliant condor]

irrlevant compared to armor

[cerulean abyss]

ngl was a pain in the ass my last USA playthrough chasing around japanese convoy raiding fleets

[pliant condor]

use navs

[pliant condor]

the thing about having more gun is that the effectiveness of a ship scales by attack * HP / cost^2(roughly), so there's a point where adding more gun make your ship worse

[pliant condor]

yes use three gun and rest secondary

don't need AA

would be better

[cerulean abyss]

why

[pliant condor]

also having 1940 hull but no armor 3 is crazy

[cerulean abyss]

i have armor 3 i refuse to use it

[pliant condor]

you don't need AA against an opponent that doesn't fly air

that's tupid

armor is the most important thing on a ship

[cerulean abyss]

its already expensive as shit im trying to churn out a ton of these guys

oh wait

i dont even have armor 3

[pliant condor]

armor is worth the cost

always

that's why you use less guns

[opaque mauve]

With 36 armour you're already matching their guns, surely just the next tier of mid armour is ok?

and won't japan's also be mostly older guns on top of that

[pliant condor]

like you see here compared to the 6 gun ship your cost is increased by 150% but attack only by 200%, so effectively it's 25% better(apart from the extra light attack you get from the secondary)

[pliant condor]

no

[cerulean abyss]

look if my bbs are taking big hits i have bigger fish to fry

[pliant condor]

navy more amror is always good

[pliant condor]

especially becasue of that , you want more armor

navy works by a partial piercing by threshold mechanism

having more is significantly better

[opaque mauve]

True

I've just never justified the cost

[pliant condor]

cost is like 5%

so whatever

comapred to armor 2

[cerulean abyss]

speed

[pliant condor]

you can imagine that it matters

[cerulean abyss]

maybe in the great big pacific it might matter a bit

[pliant condor]

but 1% speed is at best like 0.5% influence on hit chance

[spark swallow]

That’s their job though

[pliant condor]

no

speed is not related to engaging

just patrol your fleet

[cerulean abyss]

i though that's what screens did

[pliant condor]

don't strike force

[opaque mauve]

Screens take torpedo hits

the BB armour protects against heavy attack

[serene karma]

Screen takes torps and light attack

[opaque mauve]

👀

Are you saying stationary fleet and click?

[pliant condor]

ok i haven't played in the new version but it should not affect combat

[pliant condor]

or that yes

ai seems more likely to patrol their fleet

which can be good

[opaque mauve]

Patroling a fleet would take too much fuel so it must be

[pliant condor]

you can just catch them

[pliant condor]

u engage them and win

then it's over

[spark swallow]

True if you just sit in an ocean

A patrolling fleet will find you

[opaque mauve]

Hm

[spark swallow]

But also the way you patrol is use single cruisers on never engage

So it saves fuel and protects your main ships

[opaque mauve]

^

You should be finding the enemy first

[pliant condor]

it doesn't matter at all

if you win you win

spotting is not relevant

putting your subs on raiding is probably still the best way to engage ai

since they put big chunks on strike force still

but patrol should work better now

when i played germany uk seemed more active

[serene karma]

Uk is def more active

[royal gazelle]

anyone here know about the portugal focus tree?

[opaque mauve]

Some

[royal gazelle]

why is it late game when I'm japan they always declare war on me without provocation? I literally didn't sieze their holdings as to not antagonize them yet i didn't even get a warning they were justifying

whats going on?

[vocal cloud]

Do nukes help capitulation of a nation

[cerulean abyss]

cool so how do i make destroyers? this is my attempt to make an escort destroyer

[royal gazelle]

now I have to fight the axis and allies

[opaque mauve]

Macau

[royal gazelle]

but i speicfically left macau alone

to make sure i didnt provoke them

[opaque mauve]

But you still own it

[royal gazelle]

? no they do

[opaque mauve]

and they claim all the islands

[royal gazelle]

ur kidding me.......

[opaque mauve]

?

Did you release it

[royal gazelle]

they just get free claims on the islands and the game never warns me?

[opaque mauve]

Yeah

[glacial steeple]

well you need AC 3

[opaque mauve]

That's what japan does

[glacial steeple]

or your speed sucks

[royal gazelle]

im confused what u mean emivescent

i didnt lay a finger on macau at all, the game gave me 0 warning i wa sbeing justified on

[opaque mauve]

Japan claims all the islands, gets a war goal on whoever occupies them. Macau starts as Portugese territory

[glacial steeple]

who are you playing

[royal gazelle]

japan

[opaque mauve]

They declare war on you to get macau

Wait waht

[royal gazelle]

again i didnt touch macau, i made sure to not lay a finger on it

[glacial steeple]

and who decced on you?

[opaque mauve]

I thought you were portugal

[royal gazelle]

portugal

no

[glacial steeple]

this isnt about macau

[glacial steeple]

huh odd

[royal gazelle]

every single game i've gotten to late game as japan this happens

[neat widget]

This is about East Timor

Right?

[royal gazelle]

portugal declares war sometime post 1946 with 0 warning and ikd why

[opaque mauve]

am I saying the wrong island

[royal gazelle]

idk*

[neat widget]

Oh yeah if you're Japan Portugal will declare war on you

It's somewhere in the focus tree

[royal gazelle]

but the game never warned me?

[neat widget]

Yeah that's weird

But just know that

[royal gazelle]

the fact that i just helped the axis wipe out the comintern like 3 months ago, and had a NAP with germany

[neat widget]

Probably an easter egg so that the world is not just split between Germany and Japan forever

[royal gazelle]

and they pull this

[royal gazelle]

i wanted to go help them capitulate the UK, now i gotta march across eurasia then do it myself

[glacial steeple]

its in their hist tree

[neat widget]

Yeah

[glacial steeple]

so ai probably had no other focuses

[royal gazelle]

bruh thx pdx for giving me a warning

[neat widget]

good luck

[opaque mauve]

Damn

I mean portugal isn't going to be hard

[royal gazelle]

the issue is getting to mainland europe

i gotta slog through eurasia

[opaque mauve]

?

[royal gazelle]

they joined the axis

[opaque mauve]

Oh

Right

[neat widget]

By the way Casey, what's your favorite combat support doctrine (i.e. second from left)?

[cerulean abyss]

can someone tell me if my fleet destroyer design isnt trash

[glacial steeple]

no?

portugal has a lot of colonies

[opaque mauve]

Yeah but to end the war

[vocal cloud]

So what is the best way to beat France, britain, all their colonies and the united states and the whole Europe as japan

[vital geode]

Macau

[stiff moth]

thoughts on SPG divisions now?

[royal gazelle]

again, they joined the axis

[glacial steeple]

should be able to make naval supply hubs

[neat widget]

Germany joined the war to support Portugal I'm guessing

[royal gazelle]

i need to capitulate all the axis majors to end the war

[glacial steeple]

oh thats easier

[royal gazelle]

germany, vichy france, im sure italy will join in in a second

[glacial steeple]

ussr alive?

[royal gazelle]

they own 1/2 the USSR, I own the other half

we double teamed them

[glacial steeple]

just puppet russia ?

[opaque mauve]

The problem with hoi4 :)

[glacial steeple]

then have them fight over cores so you dont have to occupy any of it

[royal gazelle]

we made a peace deal months ago, i gotta slog through the no supply USSR zone to get to them

along with so many german divs

[glacial steeple]

and theyll have supply from capital

if youre attacking from east itll only get easier

and at the start the ai will take massive supply issues

[cerulean abyss]

bruh i got a warning for pearl harbor over a year before it even started

[glacial steeple]

and attrition issues

[royal gazelle]

yeah its just the annoying starting point, im sure germany has been bleeding hard for years, they were actually stuck until like 43-44 in russia barely making any progress before i bailed them out

[glacial steeple]

ai doesnt bail you out so why bail them out

help ussr survive and make the winning side bleed more fr

[royal gazelle]

i wanted to keep the UK busy while i was running rampant in asia

and also the US is a 50/50 coin flip if they join the allies or not

this time they decided to make their own faction so not my problem rn

[fluid carbon]

How to increase plane range? I’m Japan in 1944 and I still haven’t done Pearl Harbor and struck the south yet because I can’t reach Pearl Harbor with my planes

[royal gazelle]

next time im in this scenario ima just declare war on portugal b4 they join axis so they join allies and germany kills them thru spain lol

[opaque mauve]

Take islands, or build tactical bombers

[fluid carbon]

How do I take islands without war with America

And what’s the difference between tactical and strategic bombers

[opaque mauve]

Oh wait can't you just carrier it

[fluid carbon]

Which have more range

[opaque mauve]

Tactical are general purpose shorter range

[fluid carbon]

That requires me to make carrier planes no?

[glacial steeple]

yes do that

[sour badger]

@opaque mauve he doesnt have drop tanks yet

[opaque mauve]

Tactical are longer range and just for bombing structures

[glacial steeple]

land based dont have that range

[fluid carbon]

Bruh

I hate that carrier planes are separate

[glacial steeple]

or make ice carriers

[opaque mauve]

I'm not even talking about plane designer

[glacial steeple]

1940 tech stuff

they can use land based planes

[sour badger]

Meh thought I'd throw that in

[opaque mauve]

Isn't drop tanks like, way at the start of the aerial tech

[sour badger]

He apparently didnt research it

Somehow

[glacial steeple]

?????

[fluid carbon]

Wait what template for carrier planes to do Pearl Harbor

[glacial steeple]

you get them when you do the focus for the zero

no need to research

[opaque mauve]

It's a 1936 tech

[fluid carbon]

I can’t find it tho

[sour badger]

Says he cant find em

[fluid carbon]

OHHHH RANGE IMPROVEMTS

[opaque mauve]

I don't even have BBA and I know that

[fluid carbon]

NOW I GET IT

[opaque mauve]

You only need like 10 planes for a carrier wing anyway

So just make some carrier planes with strat bombing and range

I assume you can do that raid from a carrier too

[cerulean abyss]

wtf i cant lend lease china even if i give them convoys

[opaque mauve]

Convoys are useless for china anyway

Japan snipes all your trade immediately

[deep notch]

What's up with Patrol not increasing dominance. It works fine but sometimes falls back to zero permanently- must move the fleet out of the zone to fix it

[wild rune]

Oil?

[opaque mauve]

Got enough ships to cover the zone?

[deep notch]

Mmm, neither were an issue, had full fuel reserves 24/7 and homebase was inside the zone itself

[wild rune]

Hrmm

[deep notch]

Merely trying to figure out how to replicate it

[fluid carbon]

I can’t move my carrier close enough to Hawaii

[split scaffold]

is there a fix for the "unassign all my divisions and generals and CTD when you click on air after reloading a game" bug? I tried saving from cloud to local and it did not fix it.

[trail rapids]

what are the Russians on 😭

[gusty briar]

Did the recent update significantly change supply?

I have a level 6 naval base with an army on that tile, the base shows 5/23 which i thought meant its meeting all the local supply needs but all my divisions have red supply

Im trying to naval invade the US but all my divisions are stuck at 18 org bc the red supply

And the supply view says that my divisions only need 4.6 supply so idk whats wrong

[pliant condor]

if your supply is getting raided

you won't have supply

also 5/23 means that the hub itself has enough supply capacity, it doesn't mean a specific tile have enough supply if you have a bunch of divs on there

oh and that number does not account for the raided supply

due to paradox spaghetti code

[rapid urchin]

can india do tanks in MP possibly?

[pliant condor]

might have to

to counter the japan bloat

[fossil rain]

how can one not achieve this

[hollow eagle]

how to

touch grass

[glacial steeple]

only issue is LL route to europe?

major issue*

[pliant condor]

nonhist moment

[pliant condor]

ah ok that's like

not a valid strat to begin with

[glacial steeple]

why not?

its over land

[pliant condor]

how about allies ll to soviet

[glacial steeple]

thats over sea and can be raided

so its already harder

[pliant condor]

japan also has to go through manchu

[glacial steeple]

yeah but thats like 2 zones that are fully controlled

and no one has naval range to reach that anymore

• dont need to be at war with allies

[pliant condor]

well if you think those should be allowed

[glacial steeple]

but thats just a ruleset thing

[pliant condor]

obviously a reason they are not

think about the kr tournament

[glacial steeple]

i know they shouldnt be im just saying

[pliant condor]

what hapens when we can send all the ic to one front

[glacial steeple]

yeah that happens lol

war over very quickly

second japan issue is having IC for just any build

but you should be moving slower with naval invasions now

so allies do have a window of time

[cerulean abyss]

used some beefy strat bombers as USA and i actually completely halted germany's aircraft production from all the bombing

[lucid torrent]

Why I can't naval strike or port strike?

[glacial steeple]

but game was already very axis biased stats wise before

i feel like the update made it worse

by quite a lot

[pliant condor]

don't even bother with invading

oneshot raj with green air

then invade the world

[pliant condor]

click this

you have 3% mission efficiency

[glacial steeple]

thats what i mean tho?

the invading the world part takes like several months longer

still balance is super poor

[pliant condor]

ok like the way i think about it is that the only reason you invade rubber is because you can't take raj

😭 now everything is open to you

[rapid urchin]

interesting

[glacial steeple]

just go 2 ways simultaneously?

[lucid torrent]

I remember that CV planes can still strike even when their efficient is abysmal. This is 1.16s so range on plane CV doesn't matter that much

[pliant condor]

I only have one hand

[glacial steeple]

if you have a manchu player give them an army and tell them to invade places you dont care too much about

but that are useful

like australia

[pliant condor]

I click annex button day 1:

[pliant condor]

?

using cv as a floating air base

means that your plane is just... a plane

that follow the ground-based planes' efficiency

also it's probably low supply

[iron pike]

why cant i assign a commander??

why can i only assing top one?

[pliant condor]

hit "promote"

when you promote them to field marshal you can assign

[iron pike]

o

[lucid torrent]

Okay, so back then how do we coordinate strike on Pearl harbor? I remember that is was possible.

[wild rune]

This gives me an idea

[pliant condor]

coordinated strike has always been glitched

i think it gives extra damage only on the first tick or something

[glacial steeple]

also i hope your amputation wasnt too bad /j

[lucid torrent]

Nothing happen although I still declared war through operation

[charred fable]

Just fought the whole Sino-Japanese war and done the peace conference taking absolutely nothing by mistake xD

[wild rune]

Do it again

Do you have a previous save

[pliant condor]

well with 3% mission efficiency

only like 2 planes were flying

[alpine dove]

Is there any reason to integrate puppets as Japan?

[pliant condor]

no

[charred fable]

All I've managed to do is unite China under one banner... that is some next level of disrespect. I don't even take them over, I make them a stronger unified nation ready for round three 😂

[charred fable]

It was ironman 💀

[alpine dove]

They should make a greater East Asian formable for Japan

[pliant condor]

does it autosave on peacedeal💀

ok it probably does

[wild rune]

Yes

[lucid torrent]

2 planes is enough. But nothing ever happen

[pliant condor]

you can crash the game

[charred fable]

Apparently. I alt-f4 and reloaded to disappointment haha

[pliant condor]

also there might not even be any ships docked in hawaii

if you have intel

[lucid torrent]

There are definitely are.

[glacial steeple]

i mean if you give manchu to china you could get compliance on it

but it takes too long without an auto annex mod and otherwise is still very silly

gives you a lot of easy vps to capture though

[fossil rain]

ohhh

thought it was bc I did the pre-emptive attack on Shanxi

although I did leave Nationalist China and Communist China on historical in the settings

[glacial steeple]

yeah

[wild rune]

What is an auto annex mod😭

[glacial steeple]

like

a lot of mp mods let you annex manchu for eco

just to be nice

nothing stopping you from return territory button

[wild rune]

True

[wild rune]

I have all the mp mods downloaded but to this day have not used a single one

lol

[fossil rain]

cavalry recon detachment or motorized recon for my infantry divs??

(I have the trucks for it) if thats the case

[pliant condor]

armored recon

look at assult infantry doctrine

[fossil rain]

it says support arty which gives plus 10 percent soft attack

unless its the other doctrine hol up

[lucid torrent]

i swear they can take off with that efficience, this is from 3-4 months ago.

[pliant condor]

there's a small button you can click

that shows all the bonuses you get from doctrine

[pliant condor]

you have supply

no longer the case now

[fossil rain]

ohh ok, I see it

oh i see the bonuses too

thanks

[opaque mauve]

That doctrine makes cav mot and Lt recon all give 10% soft attack but as it was explained to me earlier you want the LT recon to get high breakthrough tanks in the division at no cost to stats

[glacial steeple]

soft attack isnt the only stat 😭

its very good to get but you should look at other stuff too

[opaque mauve]

I thought that was the only inf buff it gives?

Like other than the tank stats and recon stat

[glacial steeple]

tank stats are good :D

[opaque mauve]

Yeah I know, I mentioned that was the point

[glacial steeple]

even in no dlc

tanks are great for break stat

[opaque mauve]

What's the breakthrough on a vanilla light tank?

[glacial steeple]

literally half the break in this div is because of tanks

[opaque mauve]

1256 wow

[glacial steeple]

no thats an L

name is too long

localization moment

[opaque mauve]

Oh lol

[glacial steeple]

256 is decent tho

not the worst

[opaque mauve]

Are mediums better cost per stats for that then?

[glacial steeple]

yes? im pretty sure

lights you can put 3 iirc

you wanna have +50% amphib attack modifier

[opaque mauve]

Oh yeah terrain

Yeah heavies are shit at that

[glacial steeple]

with AAT its fine

you have ranger recon, pioneers

NSB adds flame tanks

[opaque mauve]

Does the amphibious drive cancel out the intrinsic debuff?

[glacial steeple]

MEVs are no dlc

[glacial steeple]

i didnt do amphib tanks :>

but theyre okay

[gusty briar]

Just went to war with the US and didnt have a single naval battle against them, neither subs nor ships. I had destroyers patrols, subs, and a 3 strike forces out for the entire war, assuming its a bug bc the US wouldnt have been out of oil. Anybody else have anything weird like this against the US?

Poland joined their faction and funny enough I did have some engagements against their subs on the east coast of the US

[glacial steeple]

they take less break penalty than other tank types so you can put a heavier cannon on

the issue is

spgs and tds are now 40 units per batallion, while amphibs are still 50

[opaque mauve]

Ah

[glacial steeple]

so their effective cost over other tank types is +35%

as the drive module adds 15% cost

[gusty briar]

And the US hadn't been in any wars yet up to that point so it's not like they could've been repairing or something

[glacial steeple]

so its kind of very bad now

still get special forces buff tho

[opaque mauve]

I went the wrong way with that. What does AAT have to do with using heavies in marines

[glacial steeple]

nothing?

you just get better support companies which give terrain buffs

[opaque mauve]

.

[glacial steeple]

so therefore having tanks with higher terrain penalty is fine

because you have more buffs to negate it

[opaque mauve]

But surely having less debuff would be better

[glacial steeple]

yes

[opaque mauve]

So heavies would still be worse

[glacial steeple]

vs with all dlcs

as you see you already need a lot less marines

you could totally add a lot more tanks

[charred fable]

What's people's opinion on the faction changes? Is the AI more open to influence or do we just get pointless new features that aren't very impactful

[glacial steeple]

its cool it limits factions to regions more

like iran and siam cant join chinese front 💔

[charred fable]

Sooo playing Axis Argentina won't see Germany try and invade Brazil while we're duking it out?

[opaque mauve]

That needs to be basegame

[glacial steeple]

you can prob still join through tree

it just generally limits joining rules and stuff

[opaque mauve]

Are mountaineers stronger than marines statswise?

[glacial steeple]

they use less combat width so they have more stats per width

[opaque mauve]

Ahh

[glacial steeple]

its also pointless going over 50% amphib buff

because the penalty is 50% and it csnt go positive

[opaque mauve]

Oh?

[glacial steeple]

unlike other terrains

[opaque mauve]

Interesting

[gusty briar]

If I plan 2 naval invasion with say 1 division each let it get to 50 days so its ready and then add 10 other divisions will it still be ready? Or will I have to wait 50 days again?

[balmy heron]

IM 11 YEARS OLD

[pliant condor]

it would be ready

so yes, always have some invasion planning going on

[gusty briar]

Also wondering if im using Mountaineers as my offensive units, does the new doctrines system make it worth it to go for other doctrines first? Im used to always focusing on the Mountaineer doctrines first if im using them.

[pliant condor]

you should always pick subdoctrine first(after grand doctrine obviously if you start on none or something other than gbp/sfp)

for mastery gain

especially infantry since currently there's no way to cheese mastery

on inf

[gusty briar]

Yeah i was thinking that since u gotta gring it, I did 1 other save with Mountaineers focused on subdoctrines, although I did get the combat width reduction doctrine before most of the sub doctrines

[pastel scroll]

... I don't think conqeroring the world helps with Coal

[neat widget]

Oh rip

Well at least you have the world's factories

So who needs coal when you have everything else

[glacial steeple]

as china you dont have the xp to swap actuallh

actually*

[gusty briar]

Does not taking war reparations help with coal?

Once ur past the point of trading for it

[pastel scroll]

fair enough but still... -70% build speed...

[glacial steeple]

puppets solve it

[pastel scroll]

help

[pastel scroll]

really?

[glacial steeple]

yeah your usage increases with higher factory count

so lower factory count nations are better at coal usage

[pastel scroll]

I have 1000+ Factories with the US states alone

[glacial steeple]

ok?

the US is self sufficient

[pastel scroll]

Yeah the reason I went conquering was due to me lacking coal

[pastel scroll]

It was at minus 500…

Well originally

[glacial steeple]

yeah it doesnt help lol

but you can get resource rights

[pastel scroll]

I guess

[pastel scroll]

I have so much I dunno what to use it on but eh?

[graceful dragon]

is the scorched earth button worth it to click

i never even realized it was there

[pastel scroll]

Depends, are gonna purposely give up land to fight at a place with forts in it? Then yes

[graceful dragon]

oh it destroys the forts too?

hmm

[pastel scroll]

I guess put simply, click it if you are defending and about to lose a tile

[pastel scroll]

No

[graceful dragon]

so like ussr

[pastel scroll]

More like Poland

[graceful dragon]

ok

[hybrid jay]

how do i fix this

[fading fern]

Why are my ships blocked from patroling around the Arabian peninsula? I'm not at war with anybody. Just recently conquered Iraq and need naval superiority to invade Iran.

But when I want to set my ships to patrol it just makes a dumb sound. It says no accessible regions, but why would my 2500 naval superiority fleet be blocked anywhere from doing what it wants?

Do I have to patrol every area from my capital to Iran, one after the other?

[serene helm]

go back to that version.. in steam : Properties > Betas > pick the right one

[pliant condor]

click this magic button

[fading fern]

Can't play right now. Is that button to set a new home base?

[pliant condor]

automatic

yes

your highest range ship if you take them out would be able to reach persian gulf

[fading fern]

Ah so it was just to far for doing missions

[pliant condor]

ok both

if you don't set it to automatic

the home base would be in taranto

which is obviously far

so you want to set it to automatic and use the ship with highest range

[fading fern]

Thank you. I'll try that out

[supple wyvern]

why am i seing uncompleted descriptions on the game

[glacial steeple]

mods?

[supple wyvern]

no mods

[glacial steeple]

debug mode

[supple wyvern]

all vanilla

no debug

i uninstalled the game and reinstalled it

and it stills the same

[glacial steeple]

it looks like you loaded the game in debug mode

[supple wyvern]

wait wth

how do i check that

[glacial steeple]

its a launcher option

or console

[supple wyvern]

the problem is, not everything is showing like that

only certain options

[glacial steeple]

show whole screen instead of cropped?

[glacial steeple]

thats still cropped

especially the start menu

is important to see

[supple wyvern]

this?

or the launcher

[glacial steeple]

tho id recommend #tech-support

[glacial steeple]

ok doesnt look like debug mode idk if you did anything to your files

[supple wyvern]

i dont think so

[royal glade]

Hello i'd like to try make a speedrun which One Is the esiest?

[cold garnet]

Go to local HoI4 folder in PDX folder in Documents

Delete localisation subfolder

[royal glade]

Hello i'd like to try make a speedrun which One Is the esiest?!

To try for the First time?

[kindred kayak]

1,000 or 5,000 convoys

You get an achievement id call that a speedrun

[royal glade]

Is It a category?

Let me check

[kindred kayak]

Idk

[royal glade]

No It isn't

What's su rise invasion?

[kindred kayak]

Idk but there is a capitulate Ethiopia speed run

[supple wyvern]

you are a life saver sir, thanks

[kindred kayak]

1 minute and 5 seconds and Jan 21st

[cold garnet]

Did it work?

[supple wyvern]

it did

[cold garnet]

Yeah

[royal glade]

Is It vert hard tò beat?

[kindred kayak]

Who knows there is another one

I think its capitulate Germany as Poland in 30 minutes or less in the 1939 start date

[royal glade]

This Is easy

4 minutes!!!!?

World record?

I have to go to school

Bye

[kindred kayak]

Easy my ass

[ornate ferry]

if i’m playing as the Belgian Congo and the belgians and the dutch unite will the focus that require Belgium to do something be locked

[glacial steeple]

hmmm

im thinking

[kindred kayak]

A whole 1 minute

[glacial steeple]

no thats fine

theres only a few nations that start with paratrooper tech im thinking about them

ussr, kashmir, far eastern republic, maybe iran?

vladivostok too

i dont think? anyone ekse

else*

[kindred kayak]

What does this have to do with anything

[glacial steeple]

but might be all ussr breakaways idk

[glacial steeple]

fast gameplay

cap stuff faster

[kindred kayak]

Ohhhhh

[glacial steeple]

germany starts with 80 transport planes and is the only nation to start with them

so hmm

ussr caps the world very fast

[neat widget]

japan gets them with the new dlc

iran doesn't

[glacial steeple]

ohh yeah

i saw that and thought it was a mod

[neat widget]

everyone thinking the new dlc is a mod be like

[glacial steeple]

no

i was playing modded

[neat widget]

ah i see

[glacial steeple]

paras to cap china?

transports dont have bad range

just your IC sucks

[neat widget]

fair

[glacial steeple]

maybe ask germany and market buy idk

[neat widget]

Maybe it'd be better than naval invasinos for taking places like shanghai

btw you should try turkey

[glacial steeple]

pp bloat 😍

the og

[neat widget]

but the soviets go to war with you on the montreux convention

[neat widget]

true, greece is also quite pp bloated tbh

[glacial steeple]

thats not a very fun war

[glacial steeple]

no

turkey can get 2 daily while doing focuses

greece is like they just get spawn in

[neat widget]

true

anyways i was just doing it (spawned saadabad concordat with cheats since i'm not yet there)

[glacial steeple]

domt they only defend you in sheeps mod?

[neat widget]

i mean this is vanilla, is there a sheep mod version for ncns?

[glacial steeple]

no but you can load it

[neat widget]

ah i see

[glacial steeple]

also should i turn pings off idk if you find it annoying

[neat widget]

who defends who?

[glacial steeple]

usually idm so i can find stuff back

[neat widget]

i'm fine tbh

[glacial steeple]

oki

[glacial steeple]

the sadbat nations

[neat widget]

ah right yes

there's also a focus in the Ottoman tree

that's what I did here

I cheated just to show you my puppets + afghanistan and iran

[glacial steeple]

turkey is based btw

better MIOs than the US

range air, inf tank

[neat widget]

and here are the nations themselves

[neat widget]

btw what is the best air doctrine

[glacial steeple]

idk

@chrome sedge whats the best air doctrine (he does not have the dlc)

[chrome sedge]

idc

prob something bad

[glacial steeple]

ok idk who else to ping

[chrome sedge]

idc

[neat widget]

lmao

[glacial steeple]

@plain mason whats the best air doctrine (hes asleep its like 4:30am)

[neat widget]

omg

also as you see the ai is historical, i had to manipulate some of the code to get the soviets to reject

[hollow shuttle]

What’s the meta template for china-japan war as japan?

[glacial steeple]

i mean ahist is true gambling rn

[neat widget]

true

[glacial steeple]

if germany doesnt go fascist your game WILL crash

[neat widget]

wait, ncns thingy?

[glacial steeple]

yes

chinese tree breaks and crashes your game if the german flag changes

[neat widget]

ah i see

oof

you could set german gamerule to fascist tbh

[glacial steeple]

then they just beat everyone up 😭

you cant win

[neat widget]

oh right

also as you can see i beat the soviets with like 30 divisions because they also went to war with Poland and Finland

[glacial steeple]

you downsized your army?

damn

i know for a fact you start with like 46?

ish

[neat widget]

It's 31

I added 7 mountaineers mid-war

But that's it

[glacial steeple]

i swear its more

maybe im dement

[neat widget]

also ncns seems to break the soviet naval ai, they never deployed anything in the black sea

which helped a lot

but i did go into a civil war to get onto the ottoman path

in the middle of fighting russia

this made me lose a few troops

also yeah it's 31

[glacial steeple]

not to be mean but i would usually opt out of having a civil war in such a scenario

[neat widget]

true

[glacial steeple]

btw

turkish civil war doesnt get spawn ins

[rancid oar]

Guys how do I change the game version

[glacial steeple]

so its one of those cases where you just delete the army

which tbh usually helps before civil wars

[neat widget]

and then rush the victory points with 2w cavalry, yeah i know

[neat widget]

also true

[glacial steeple]

do you not have trucks?

trucks are like twice the speed

[neat widget]

oh yeah that works too

[glacial steeple]

oh btw while they did update the pacific and decide to give guam 1 less core state they did not actually give them a generic high command

[rancid oar]

Guys how can I change the game version

[glacial steeple]

so im proud to say even after getting updated it still sucks

[glacial steeple]

steam

hoi4

[neat widget]

rip

[glacial steeple]

options on the right

[rancid oar]

Ok

Thank

You

[glacial steeple]

they added palau though

[neat widget]

i got this challenge from someone else and i thought for some reason that they wanted me to go down the ottoman path for some reason

RIP

[glacial steeple]

average hoi4 experience of older countries not getting their DESERVED updates

(i say about probably the least played country besides idk equatorial guinea)

[neat widget]

They went down the fascist path

whoops

[neat widget]

also it's a bad idea for turkey because turkey has a genius 0.40 xp maneuver expert, which is useful when covering the long distances of the Caucasus

I've essentially took Tblisi, Baku, and Makhachkala in one swoop in 1937-38. Unfortunately for me I failed to take Grozny, which made me suffer heavily

[glacial steeple]

i would make a reference here

[neat widget]

what reference

[glacial steeple]

ill dm it

[native girder]

I've a problem

The map graphic in my game changed

also when I use FPS MAP mod it doesn't work

idk what happened

@scenic nacelle

[sleek remnant]

I just got a general with both brilliant and inflexible strategist, is this a bug?

[native girder]

@autumn owl help

[glacial steeple]

no you can get that

its just rng

[sleek remnant]

First time getting