ask-for-help-here

[glacial ginkgo]

but are you in the UAE

[fossil rain]

my superior, he said he also needs the proof

we were going to gift you the ferrari, but now I am going to change my mind

lmao, I do to, it's been a long time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVDh5MDQ1RU

[neat egret]

M22 Locust players be like

[fossil rain]

fr bro

[untold marsh]

how do i fix this?

wont let me move my planes anywherre

when i click on this base it makes the noise but doesnt make the line to go

[trail reef]

how do i make my convoys prioritize supplying

[bleak plinth]

tanks are super duper expensive bruh

[trail reef]

here?

well

ion see it

why are u deleting

dawg i have been stuck in the year 1947 for 2 hours at this point

i am finna have a mental breakdown soon

eggsplain

[analog maple]

guys with one do i take if i am using mid tank and mech inf

[trail reef]

the game is so laggy a ONE DAY ON MAX SPEED TAKES 5 SECONDS

i would rather die than turn every texture off

nah

cant pay if i got them for free brochacho

[fossil rain]

what factories do I build as Japan with tis new update? do I just straight up build mils, or infra then civs help

never played japan before lmao

[trail reef]

i buildt a few mils then civis

china has like 1 and a half civ

[rich plover]

I'm upgrading infra & railroads, and preparing Palau for a naval supply hub. That aside, I'd say primarily mils

[fossil rain]

gotcha, ill just build mils on the high infra states, then go on to build like 1 or 2 civs, then continue on mils ig

ill get civs from focuses anyway

[trail reef]

personally i would focus more on civs

cus ur gonna be fighting in horrible terrain where u want to build infra and supply hubs fast

they finna will brochacho

[rich plover]

that's true, but in order to get conquer that terrain in the first place you need a strong enough military, which is why a mix of mils and civs is probably best, but idk yet

[trail reef]

they will listen to the pro

i own italy

[rich plover]

i still haven't progressed past Jan 21 bc I can't decide btwn imperial fascist and actual imperial

[trail reef]

is moscow ur?

ngl u can keep washington

dont want the americanos

[rich plover]

gonna flip a coin, should fascist be heads or tails

[trail reef]

facisst

only facist

[sand ember]

Tails

[gusty briar]

Damn the Japan communist left path seems pretty crazy, u basically core all of Asia?

[trail reef]

i dont think marcus understood

[gusty briar]

Wtf is going on with these new focus tree lol

[rich plover]

I got heads

[rich plover]

I'm gonna go imperial fascist

[trail reef]

is there 2 facist paths?

[rich plover]

3, actually

it's just a difference in flavor

[trail reef]

thats one path

[fossil rain]

what do I do with this

[trail reef]

u learn it

then play it

[tight coral]

spam infantry lol

[trail reef]

quiet down

[rich plover]

if you want army to be more powerful & gain influence, make it happen. Otherwise, you can fail it and make army man mad at you

[fossil rain]

mhmm

current inf deployment progress

[trail reef]

lurker why u delete messages

this is what hoi4 does to a man

is there any focus that in the japan focus tree that give me more naval invasion capacity

[glacial steeple]

why

dont recruit more

[wintry haven]

What’s your logistics menu look like

[glacial steeple]

you have enough

[fossil rain]

i do?

[glacial steeple]

recruit some 12 width inf on low priority

for line holding

[glacial steeple]

hohei shidans are fine

[fossil rain]

oh

[dark tundra]

When does Zhang guotao arrive in shanxi?

[glacial steeple]

no

[wintry haven]

Lowkey gotta fix ts

[coarse finch]

Just get the research and you'll have plenty

[rich plover]

Anything I have to look out for with manchuria? They went down the obedience path, but I have a feeling Puyi's plotting is RNG as to whether he does anything or not

[fossil rain]

absolutely

is this good

I use this template and it usually does good

this is just the barebones though

still need to add like rocket arty later on and stuff later though

i make them 14-16 combat width

oh ok

ill add some more inf

this better

alr, cya

[rich plover]

unless you go down to 10w for mass produced tiny divs

[fossil rain]

I plan on having one full army, 5

generals

[glacial steeple]

what did you do to it

noooo

:(((

[fossil rain]

I didnt save it yet

dont worry

[glacial steeple]

whyy

[fossil rain]

why not?

[glacial steeple]

you dont need to change templates that much

[fossil rain]

oh

but doesn't it take a lot of equipmenet and guns and whatnot?

[glacial steeple]

just like add artillery to it so it can deal more damage if thats an issue

[glacial steeple]

you dont make your entire army that

most of your army should be the 12 width unit

[fossil rain]

oh

[glacial steeple]

to hold line

then you use the large division to push

[fossil rain]

hm

so I keep the original template for that unit

[glacial steeple]

yes

[fossil rain]

alright, and how many divs should I have that have that template

[glacial steeple]

it says you dont on the search tab

[rich plover]

I'm using base bigger divs for offense, printing out smaller inf-only units for defense

[glacial steeple]

but you definitely do

[sand ember]

Can you actually break a unit with 100% reinforce rate

But you can’t cause as soon as you beat it a new one enters the battle

So you can never actually push

Assuming the enemy has enough divisions

Ok but so what

[fossil rain]

what do I do for these decisions? dont I just need to recruit more divs though?

[hexed niche]

is it impossible for me to naval invade if i have small navy after the new navy update? because im trying to naval invade iceland and i cannot a all

[sand ember]

You also lose men when you win combat

[glacial steeple]

you dont have to click everything

[frigid pewter]

how can i fix it?

[glacial steeple]

no

[spare cradle]

Yes but not as much as the enemy

[glacial steeple]

its not about who wins

[fossil rain]

wdym

[glacial steeple]

you take losses based on how much damage your enemy deals

[sand ember]

like could you just

[glacial steeple]

like not all decisions matter

[sand ember]

Make dday wall entirely out of militia

And never be pushed

Hmm actually no I think the divisions would be strength deleted

I take it back

That wouldn’t work

[fossil rain]

oh

do I need to add arty to my unit as u said earlier? for the div template

[pliant condor]

make collabs on china

it's the only important thing

and make motorized supply

your divisions are attritioning on the frontline

[frigid pewter]

does anyone know?

[fossil rain]

gotcha, ill make more trucks, and make my divs motorized

[trail reef]

they are probably too old and outdated

[fossil rain]

finishing up my first one

[trail reef]

check when they were updated last

[pliant condor]

ah you know what im talking abt?

not motorized division

the supply button

[pliant condor]

also ignore the northern front completely

don't try to push there

[trail reef]

oh

[pliant condor]

just invade shanghai and fuzhou

[fossil rain]

ik, it's horses rn, but I switched it to the trucks symbol

[pliant condor]

and push to nanchang

[pliant condor]

yeah

connect the port in fuzhou to the hub in nanchang

[trail reef]

remove and download the mods again linex

[pliant condor]

then push toward wuhan and changsha

don't take nanjing before you start the third colla

[frigid pewter]

but two days ago everything was fine with them

[fossil rain]

ik that one

[frigid pewter]

i did it

[fossil rain]

oh

but isn't that through the northern front?

nvm

[ashen furnace]

how do i leave a faction (im germany) 🙏

[fossil rain]

so naval invade?

how many divs for that, I have 4 divs on Taiwan for that

@pliant condor i am not prepared, marco polo bridge incident just occured. I have 4 divs on Shangai, and have the rest of the defending divs on the islands for Fuzhou

im going to push through the northern front near under Manchuko a little bit

[untold marsh]

how do i get naval control ive already assigned my boats to naval invasion support

[pliant condor]

without any doctrine, you can plan 2 order, each with 6 division

[pliant condor]

don't touch anything in the north

any bit you push is taking away your future factory

[hexed niche]

u need to put on patrol now

[pliant condor]

because capitulating the warlord bugs your collab

[fossil rain]

ok, I pushed like a tile, but not capitulated

Im almost done preparing for the naval invasion

[pliant condor]

I think the best is to put everything into fuzhou and the adjacent ports

then snake with everything to nanchang

you won't have supply but it should be empty

[fossil rain]

ohh

[pliant condor]

you need to take nanchang and connect it with rail

[fossil rain]

mhmm

[glacial steeple]

dont need to but makes it easier

if you have like 3 on arty since day 1 youre fine

remove plane lines, truck possibly, train, tank

gives you more mils to work with

[fossil rain]

gotcha

[sour tinsel]

What does this requirement mean

[trail reef]

@unkempt holly i did it

[vital geode]

Be at war with a major

In order to fix your military, you need to be at war with the Allies basically

[pliant condor]

you can change the target of the invasion

[vital geode]

or the Axis

[pliant condor]

edit order

and make sure you have full 6 divs on the order

[fossil rain]

it says theres a cap of 2 so I can only do two invasions

and they failed

theres a lot of chinese on the ports

[untold marsh]

what does this mean

[vital geode]

Need more task forces patrolling I think

[silver crystal]

yeah

[pliant condor]

ah

ok

[silver crystal]

you have 1 task force assigned to patrol 3 sea zones

[pliant condor]

why did you change the template

don't put artillery...

[fossil rain]

i didn't change the template for the divs

it's the default

[pliant condor]

look at the strength bar

[fossil rain]

they need inf equipment

[pliant condor]

yes, so don't deploy division when you don't have infantry equipment

[fossil rain]

im not deploying anything anymore, i stopped that like last year

[pliant condor]

also ok i have copied this so many times

[fossil rain]

lmao

[pliant condor]

use 12 of your starting hohei shidan as the invading division

and force attack

spread your invasion out

if you have 6 division in one order plan it on 3 tiles on the port and adjacent to the port

and if you really struggle somehow, also get invasion planning

basically plan it with 1 division, then put the rest on a frontline, when the invasion is planned, assign the 5 divisions on the frontline to the invasion order

then you invade with planning

and when you invade fly CAS from taiwan

and give shore bombardment with your fleet

ahhh

[pliant condor]

also trian your division before anything

[fossil rain]

wait, I did 3 and 3 divs for adjacent tiles, under one general, but it's not letting me do it for the other general??

[pliant condor]

now under the new system the number of invasion orders you can do is capped

meaning, you can only draw two orders

[fossil rain]

awww man

thats sum bs

[pliant condor]

so you want to do multiple tiles in one order

[fossil rain]

im not sure how to do that

[pliant condor]

right click multiple tiles

[fossil rain]

i just manually select the divs under the general

[fossil rain]

oh

ok, so thats gonna be for uno genearl

lemme do that rq

it just turns orange

[pliant condor]

organe means the tile is selected

[fossil rain]

OHHHH

[pliant condor]

do one genereal for fuzhou

[fossil rain]

mhmm

[pliant condor]

one genereal for like the one next to fuzhou

[fossil rain]

ohh, what about shangai?

[pliant condor]

ignore

[fossil rain]

gotcha

[pliant condor]

you will take it eventually

also use a real general

put this dude as the FM

[pliant condor]

this looks perfect

[fossil rain]

nice

[pliant condor]

your divs are still low strength somehow

and put your fleet down

park like half of your fleet near it for shore

[fossil rain]

with Nanjian though? im only halfway for the second collab

[pliant condor]

and use the other half to get supremacy

[fossil rain]

oh ok

[pliant condor]

yeah

[fossil rain]

mhmm

[pliant condor]

you have zero fuel

[fossil rain]

wait, so don't use it for the east china sea?

or don't use it at all

[pliant condor]

anyway

just stop running the mission

[glacial steeple]

Hearts of Iron IV

[pliant condor]

it wastes fuel

[fossil rain]

ohh okk

[glacial steeple]

i found out

[fossil rain]

they are parked

[glacial steeple]

strike force also uses fuel now

[pliant condor]

does naval invasion support also

[glacial steeple]

idk

havent tried yet

[glacial steeple]

but this doesnt work for supremacy anymore no?

[fossil rain]

uhhhhhh

[glacial steeple]

it just sends ships alongside invasions

[fossil rain]

puppet did this

[glacial steeple]

annex them

[fossil rain]

I didn't even put half an army there

[fossil rain]

i thought the strat was to wait for the 3 collab

[trail reef]

is this jsut a bug or?

[pliant condor]

oh yeah

[pliant condor]

actually

if you annex them out your collab works

[fossil rain]

ok, I annexd them

[pliant condor]

although they should be in the united fronts

[scenic nacelle]

But

[pliant condor]

right now

somehow?

[scenic nacelle]

Bug

[fossil rain]

should I set a fallback line?

or just kinda push with this slowly but steadily

[glacial steeple]

theyre not china

and you cant if theyre not in the united front anyway

[fossil rain]

ooo

anyways, I need to put my fleet on patrol cus the naval invasion is prepared

but i don't have dominance

[pliant condor]

just frontline

[trail reef]

do i need navy supply hub to repair ships?

[pliant condor]

make sure you don't get snaked by them

[fossil rain]

ill make sure

[pliant condor]

can you check if china is in united front?

[rich plover]

Good question, I'm also wondering what the supply and repair ships do

[fossil rain]

nope doesnt seem like it

[pliant condor]

dafuq

ok now you need to capitulate all the warlords first

instead

[trail reef]

ok as i see it u dont need supply hub to repair

[pliant condor]

before killing main china

[fossil rain]

dang it

[pliant condor]

sry but ahh

are you on nonhist or something

[rich plover]

I don't think naval supply hubs have anything to do with repairs, that is only done at naval bases

[fossil rain]

what about the naval

[fossil rain]

shoulda started with this first

[pliant condor]

lol

yeah

don't play nonhist

also you are not at war with all the warlords

[fossil rain]

lmao, I just didn't want to go actual ww2 cus i never played japan

[pliant condor]

you might need to justify on the southern ones

[fossil rain]

i think theres a focus for that

or something

[fossil rain]

uhhhhhhh

[twin knoll]

what happened to garrison support

[glacial steeple]

historical is better

you annex more

[trail reef]

i have a navy supply hub why wont they go

[raven snow]

can carriers only hold carrier airplanes

[fossil rain]

oh

im just scared of the allies lmao

[carmine drift]

how am I doing so far guys?

[fossil rain]

cus as you can see here, i think it's good that I didn't go historical

uhhghghosuajiokgpsjgofsgi I dont like playing japan

[graceful dragon]

When are they adding microing back bro 😭

[glacial steeple]

they dont attack you

you attack them

[fossil rain]

u got a good point

[fossil rain]

the only problem is divisions

I barely have 3 full armies

and if i want to make more, I have no equipment

[glacial steeple]

make gun

your army will be small but equipped

the chinese army is large and unequipped, with worse guns

[trail reef]

why wont my navy go out

[glacial steeple]

do they have fuel?

[trail reef]

yes

[carmine drift]

yo guys have good am I doing so far

[hazy mesa]

does anyone wanna play im new but know a little because of a friend

[fossil rain]

would I want to do this?

im assuming i wouldn't

[manic radish]

why do i always get unplanned offensive as japan?

[hazy mesa]

well i got cooked as germany i INVADED france,netherlands,belgium,poland,spain,portugal,schwitzerland BUT HOW DID THEY COME BACK????

[glacial steeple]

what if youre bored and want to go home?

[fossil rain]

good point

[manic radish]

why do i always get unplanned offensive as japan? is it bugged?

[glacial steeple]

its a focus you need to do iirc

[manic radish]

i did that already

thats the thing

assuming its this focus

[fossil rain]

lmfao

[hazy mesa]

@glacial steeple how did ts happen?

im new i dont really know why ts happend

[glacial steeple]

no divisions on borders, 5 speed, general lack of care/attention, not zooming out, not having enough units anywhere, not having air up so the ai pushes your divisions, pushing slowly leading to tunnelvision

naval invaded

thats all i can think of

[hazy mesa]

oh shit i was abt to invade soviet union and i look back i get fully invaded

[fossil rain]

am I supposed to take Nanjing yet?

[glacial steeple]

only when collabs done

get more units to fill your gaps omg

you need to push much further inland anyway

past wuhan

right clicking notifications away is also bad

theyre all useful

[fossil rain]

ok i think they are

[fossil rain]

oh dangit

[glacial steeple]

all+

? *

100%?

it would be 3

oh

[fossil rain]

only 2, I thought i had 3 but one of them got captured apparently

[glacial steeple]

its february 40????

[fossil rain]

yea ik

[glacial steeple]

???????

howww

what did you do

[fossil rain]

i got pusehd back in the north

[glacial steeple]

february 40??

[fossil rain]

then I slowly pushed in the south

[glacial steeple]

the war should end in 1937

[fossil rain]

39

damnit

[glacial steeple]

yeah china scales better by a loy

lot*

if you like allow them to live

[fossil rain]

mhmm

well I can't even make divs

im in a holy defecit amount of inf equipment

I dont even have civs available 😭

my resources stopped

[glacial steeple]

yeah thatll happen

[fossil rain]

this a little better?

i have connected the two armies

[static turret]

how do I fix that map going all pale

also what hapened to naval invasion dude😭

[twin knoll]

how to invade uk as germany with new update

[trail reef]

u need to use patrol to get naval superiority

[manic radish]

why do i get unplanned offensive as japan always

i do the focus

[quick rock]

Is anyone experienced with the new China focus tree?

[manic radish]

i still get it

please anyone

[twin knoll]

ily

[trail reef]

and for later in the game if ur naval invading far away make sure u have a naval supply hub near

u need them to supply ur navy

super annoying

[glacial steeple]

its kind of just too late?

[manic radish]

pleaseeee

[glacial steeple]

your army is incredibly tiny

[quick rock]

As Nationalist China, how do I acquire generals from other warlords? I know it's not the same as before.

[glacial steeple]

youre not using all your mils

[fossil rain]

oh

wellllll

do I puppet or take everything?

[glacial steeple]

annex

[trail reef]

how much energy does the civilian reactor make

[eternal flicker]

how the hell does navy work now, i cant even move my cruiser subs into the med despite 8000km range, and i cant move my navy past the bay of biscay.

[static turret]

map ugly how fix

[neat egret]

What is a good offense division for attacking in areas with low supply like China 🤔

[fossil rain]

might have forgotten to turn facist

how do I do thatattttatatdsagbdigjnosahdf nlvsjhdg

[glacial steeple]

cooked

when you change government half your compliance vanishes

[fossil rain]

wdym, how do I not change voernment then?

[glacial steeple]

stay non aligned+

? *

just cant do a lot of the political tree

[fossil rain]

No no, i know, but I want to go facist tho

[carmine drift]

someone explain strong successor or loyalty to the fuhrer

[sand ember]

loyalty is better

[ebon nymph]

i went for trotsky soviet and idk why the germans are not invading me even if they can declare war on me. I waas preparing for war, how do i supply my army in the front?

[hasty belfry]

In strong successor you replace him with one of the inner circle members.

[neat widget]

Modded? In any case build trucks, upgrade railways, and put logistics companies on your soldiers

[ebon nymph]

no mod, only no step back installed

and its historical

[neat widget]

I think you build one of these

But idk

[ruby brook]

Okay so.

I'm choosing to start as the UK in 1936 (singleplayer), when I load into the game, I have 0 planes in reserves or on any airfields, no trains in my stockpile and basic trains not even researched, along with a lot of different basic technologies not researched at all?

Am I doing something wrong here or is this just a new start?

[neat widget]

Huh that's odd, but yeah just continue upgrading your railways and units

Also btw your manpower is running low just saying

[ebon nymph]

yeah because i released all the nations

[final island]

Is there an actual way to get Sinkiang into the Chinese united front or is it RNG?

[hushed gorge]

are you suppose to delete all units for the american civil war

[potent iron]

Hello! I'm trying to achieve naval dominance in the South China Sea as Nationalist China to invade the remnants of the Guangxi Clique (I'm at war with Sinkiang also but no one else) and even tough I sent my entire fleet there I can't can't get any naval dominance. Why is that? Here is a screenshot about the situation:

[hushed gorge]

i need the ss

[potent iron]

I'm trying to send it

but the DC deletes it

[hushed gorge]

do you have a naval headquarters

[potent iron]

what is that?

[hushed gorge]

what island are you trying to invade

[potent iron]

Hainan

[hushed gorge]

bruh

you dont need to invade it

you can just walk onto the island

[potent iron]

The entrance is blocked, I can't breach it

[hushed gorge]

then dont

did they already cap?

[potent iron]

no, 96%

[hushed gorge]

what troops are you using

[eternal flicker]

thank you, i see the issue now but im noticing another set of massive problems

Why did paradox in their infinite wisdom give the entire british empire 3 of these

Theres not even one in south africa and its entire existence was for that purpose. idk how they justify this at all

Edit: my god i just checked these now...american has none besides pearl harbor but norfolk is a level 10 port. Japan gets one in taiwan but none on their mainland. and italy gets 0. how does this make sense bruh

[potent iron]

9 infantry batallion wothout anything else

[hushed gorge]

this is what you need to build near the island inorder to naval invade it

[hushed gorge]

thats why

[potent iron]

(that's the template)

I know

[hushed gorge]

add support arti

[potent iron]

I'm not rich enough

[hushed gorge]

it makes such a huge difference

how much mills?

[potent iron]

20

[hushed gorge]

you are

put 3-5 on artillery

how much units are you trying to push it with?

[potent iron]

8

[hushed gorge]

just put the support arti company in the division

you will push easier

[wet mesa]

im playing as soviets is the sub doctrine large unit tactics descent. supply is a big issue for me but i dont know how much good -.01 is.

[hushed gorge]

do you know how to check if your troops are supplied?

[potent iron]

they are supplied

[hushed gorge]

what is the orange and green bars on them

how high are they on average

[shrewd salmon]

Any advice on what to do next?

[potent iron]

I know how to get more soft attacks and design (not well, but in some ways) division templates and the other stuff I just wanted to know why I don't get any naval dominance, but I appreciate the help and the tips (I've said this without sarcasm just to be clear).

[shrewd salmon]

I have no manpower, barely any equipment, etc.

[potent iron]

it's high, they're fine

[raven spoke]

looking for someone to help me

[hushed gorge]

do you have your navy on patrol

[raven spoke]

get good im a noob

[hushed gorge]

or on strike force

[potent iron]

no, they're on naval invasion support

[hushed gorge]

put them on patrol in south china sea only

[shrewd salmon]

Can you help me?

[hushed gorge]

delete some of your troops

and get a scloser photo

[hushed gorge]

Dont disband all

[shrewd salmon]

shit

[shrewd salmon]

is this a good division for now?

[hushed gorge]

you dont need anti tank

[static turret]

Did they nerf collab govs

Why is russia still alive with full collab

[shrewd salmon]

okay

[inner sparrow]

yeah

[static turret]

Bru

[shrewd salmon]

it lowers hard attack by 14 and piercing by 20 though

[glacial steeple]

yes

[hushed gorge]

iraq cant afford anti tank really

[glacial steeple]

hiii clown 🥰

[neat widget]

Fair, the UK should at least have four - Scapa Flow, Gibraltar, Alexandria, and Singapore

[shrewd salmon]

i have roughly 430 anti tank

[neat widget]

don't need the AT and engineers are expensive

[reef star]

Is the raid on pearl harbour supposed to hit ships as well?

[hushed gorge]

your spending stuff on anti tank when you should spend it on something else

send a picture of your production line

[eternal flicker]

also glad that destroyers get absolutely 0 range anymore. destroyer 3's at 2km range is wild.

but ig they finally dealt with the torpedo destroyer meta....but just making it so they cant leave port

[glacial steeple]

torp destroyer meta is still there if you have torp 3

as it was before

[hushed gorge]

are roach destroyers bad now then?

[lunar zephyr]

anyone here is getting a glitch that as italy you cant use the global market acess

[hushed gorge]

you cant afford any of that

[shrewd salmon]

what should i produce then?

[hushed gorge]

i friended you, ill play a game with you tmw or smth showing you how to play better

[shrewd salmon]

alr thanks

[glacial steeple]

always have been

[hushed gorge]

ive always been told there good, how should they be designed now?

[shrewd salmon]

im skilled in md but i just started playing vanilla like 2 days ago

[broken compass]

For a space Marine tank, should I maximise soft attack?

[glacial steeple]

by who

[inner sparrow]

heyy

[hushed gorge]

a lot of people

[glacial steeple]

GHOSTING me in dms

[glacial steeple]

damn

[hushed gorge]

how do you design them

[inner sparrow]

I wasnt

[glacial steeple]

destroyers?

put some torp 3 on it

then like 2 more

and then build them

[hushed gorge]

last question, how do you get the bottom row of division templates with the new update

[inner sparrow]

u get them when finishing the milestones from ur doctrines

[vital ledge]

why can't i convoy raid this?

[eternal flicker]

destroyer 3's have only 2k range its almost nothing if anything torp cruisers research are meta now to me given they have double the range at only technically cruiser 2's. sure you can protect the area around your nation with destoyer 3's but for doing things outside your own coast cruisers are way more useful now

[glacial steeple]

no, torp sucks

the only reason you want torp 3 on destroyers is because despite torp being bad you have a lotttt of it in very cheap ships

torp cruisers suck because its the worst of both worlds

[eternal flicker]

destoryers as a whole are terrible now given their range is atrociously bad. 2km on D-3's is nothing. i cant get more than half range into biscay. torp in general is still hard meta it nukes all ships still its just for doing this off your coast idk how destroyers are still preferred

[glacial steeple]

is that why people are posting about bad range

tbh 1936 dds look fine

1800 isnt that much lower than 2500 from early cruisers

but ig destroyers are kinda bad range wise

[eternal flicker]

yeah and cruisers at T3 get 4k range, and for some reason torpedo cruisers (special research) are stat wise Tier 2 cruisers with Tier 3 range. unironically when i play a new game im trying them out vs destroyers. next game to see if they are as viable as i think they will be

[subtle tinsel]

can germany invade russia from the black sea or does turkey deny that some how?

[glacial steeple]

you just have to split off early subs IMO

like you dont really have the luxury to split off anything better

[night tangle]

fighting as poland against russia is legit unwinnable

like there is barely enough time to start doing tanks before they attack

whats like the strat even

[glacial steeple]

cossack king?

cav

if not cossack king, infantry

also equipping your army helps

especially with more modern equipment than your opponents

so does training your army

and researching and not battleplanning also tends to help

[night tangle]

I rushed infantry equipment so i had the newest shit

Im doing romanoc

[glacial steeple]

well you lose it too

[night tangle]

?

Its on production

Ive had a surplus

[glacial steeple]

yes but you lose guns in combat

usually your newest ones

[night tangle]

Cuz i got 30 mils on inf

[glacial steeple]

your units are underequipped

and untrained

[night tangle]

No they were not

I trained them before the sovjets attacked

[chilly talon]

Application: HOI4
Version: Musketeer v1.17.0.5e61
Date/Time: 2025-11-22 20:53:18

Unhandled Exception C0000005 (EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION) at address 0x00007FF720F3FD60

Stack Trace:
1 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_writeULE64 (+ 8908688)
2 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 18057796)
3 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 18060687)
4 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 18042928)
5 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 9707297)
6 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 12223194)
7 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 32828380)
8 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_swapULE64 (+ 32826362)
9 hoi4.exe (function-name not available) (+ 0)
10 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_writeULE64 (+ 456098)
11 hoi4.exe PHYSFS_writeULE64 (+ 558)
12 KERNEL32.DLL BaseThreadInitThunk (+ 20)
13 ntdll.dll RtlUserThreadStart (+ 33)
14 ntdll.dll RtlUserThreadStart (+ 33)

i keep crashing when trying to do economy tree on the new chinese tree, this is my crash file can someone plz help

[glacial steeple]

and under a level 1 attack general 😭

[night tangle]

Ye ran out od them

[glacial steeple]

#tech-support and bug report on the pdx forums

[night tangle]

But dont think he was the decising factor

[chilly talon]

so my save is just cooked??

[glacial steeple]

its a combination of factors

[night tangle]

All the inf was the newest shit and everything was upgraded and everyone was trained

[glacial steeple]

did you have an airforce? the ussr airforce is notoriously bad and easy to defeat

[glacial steeple]

probably but its a bug ive had too

[chilly talon]

nice my first impression with the new dlc is that i cant use the chinese economy tree 😄

thanks paradox for not beta testing ur shit

[glacial steeple]

im pretty sure its only on ahist ai

[night tangle]

I was lackinf in airforce cuz so i can focus on inf

[glacial steeple]

but its still bad

[glacial steeple]

you have the baltics you should have like 60-80 total mils

[chilly talon]

this is kiddie pool level shit to solve like tf

[glacial steeple]

definitely more with balkans

[chilly talon]

just laziness from paradox

[night tangle]

It was 70 smth

Balkan legit shit area

[chilly talon]

so i cant play ahist china cuz their econ tree is broken

cool!

[night tangle]

Barely anything there

[glacial steeple]

not for factories

[night tangle]

Infrastructure is shit there

[glacial steeple]

yeah but you get good eco

idk what you did anyway

[night tangle]

Ye but i can just build in romania instead

Wish there was like

[chilly talon]

i was actually hype for this new dlc

and i cant even play china lol

[night tangle]

A sure way to make yugoslavia accept

[chilly talon]

cuz i have to go historical

and fight japan

😄

[night tangle]

Conquering yugoslavia is annoying af

[chilly talon]

skill issue

just naval invade

[night tangle]

It just takes time bruv

???

From poland

[chilly talon]

ur poland and cant take yugo?

we got bigger fish to fry here bruv

[night tangle]

I did bruv look at the ss 😭

[chilly talon]

oh yea looks like u did good nvm

i thought u were a new player

[night tangle]

I just fail vs the sovjets

[chilly talon]

u need cas against the soviets tbh or at least to stop their air and go shock troops

i'd stop attacking and build up an op airforce

u'll melt the soviets after u win air

[night tangle]

Im thinking of addinf a million like artelliry

Line

Yeah maybe its the airforce

[chilly talon]

arty line is inefficient

u gotta win the airforce war

[night tangle]

Yeah but tanks arent an option

[chilly talon]

ur taking probably -20% or -30% in debuffs if u have no aa

[night tangle]

Aight

[chilly talon]

losing air is like playing the spanish civil war

u gotta win or at least manage cas

[night tangle]

Never played spain

[chilly talon]

oh spain has a civil war debuff that takes away like 90% of stats and makes u slow af

[night tangle]

Last 10 hours were poland attemlts ngl

[chilly talon]

and fights are weeks/months

[night tangle]

Like i won with iran against the allies and cant win vs sovjets

[chilly talon]

u actually play iran omg

that country is pain

[night tangle]

Yeah it was the horror

[glacial steeple]

ngl china is so weak

its actually insane

[chilly talon]

😭 😭 i wouldn't even know

[night tangle]

I got really lucky and conquered turkey and greece early

[glacial steeple]

you only start with equipment for maybe 1 army of just 12 width inf

bad production

manpower not great

factory count pretty terrible

no amazing army buffs

[night tangle]

How is it nor great its China

[glacial steeple]

army debuffs in fact

[night tangle]

I didnt play it yet in the new update

[chilly talon]

yea i was -40k guns on my starting army lol incredibly wack

[glacial steeple]

just about everything bad is bad

wayy worse than pre update

[chilly talon]

how do we go from gtd to this

just make hoi5 already man

[glacial steeple]

should be 30K?

[chilly talon]

they're milking the game at this point

[night tangle]

Communist china was pretzy fun when i played it pre update

[chilly talon]

i made a couple extra units to have 2 armies on front lines then 1 holding ports

but still -40k guns jeez

[night tangle]

I played it for 2 min qnd saw they made it into switzerland

[glacial steeple]

frontline hold?

insanity

[night tangle]

And quit

Gg

[chilly talon]

it's rly just to farm xp but i havent played new china yet so idk how the japan war goes

i wanted to go ahist just to feel out china

BUT I CANT

[glacial steeple]

?

who was made into swiss

[night tangle]

Like the balance thinf

Sovjet alligned and mao

[glacial steeple]

thats really easy

you hire mao and make it go left

theres no debuffs to either side

[night tangle]

It was a pain with Switzerland ngl

[glacial steeple]

but left side is better

[glacial steeple]

theres only like 2 focuses locked behinf BoP

[chilly talon]

like how fking dumb is it that i HAVE to play historical for china or my game is just fked

[glacial steeple]

its good buffs tho

[chilly talon]

@glacial steeple so is prc ahist also broken?

i guess i'll try prc lol

[idle bobcat]

what are some good first nation options for a noob like me?

[glacial steeple]

no

just china

[glacial steeple]

whatever lets you read stuff and lock in

[idle bobcat]

what

the tutorial gave me italy and im playing biblically accurate mussolini

[serene karma]

??

[loud ridge]

for the new doctrine system does changin overarching doctrin affect your subdoctrines?

seems they are all the same for all doctrines

[wild rune]

hes been muted gng what is there to question

-# asides from the fact that he shouldnt be able to ask

[warm cave]

hey would anyone happen to know why my navy has no supply? tooltip says i have no fuel but by the top bar you can see thats not true

[raven snow]

why can i only refit my battleships into this

is it the hull thats the issue?

[wild rune]

yes

[craggy pumice]

Is there a good guide for couping nations out there and switching their government type to yours to bring into your faction

[worthy quarry]

are engineers worth if im primarily attacking?

and for offensive infantry, i heard 9/1, but also that line artillery sucks?

maybe i should do lower width, so more support artillery joins the fight?

[young hill]

No

36width brick

[wild rune]

36w inf

[fossil rain]

are we dedas

i can't even get full naval dominance in ALL the regions

I need like a lot of them, but only have them in like 3 outa the 4

i dont get itttt

someone help me

turkey is gonna beat me there

i haven't done a single naval invasion

@glacial steeple I summon you

[glacial steeple]

huh

why dont you

declare on siam and iran during china war

get them in the faction

puppet iran, annex siam

then you push into malaya and into singapore

and have the naval supply hub

then invade through 1 sea zone

i mean iran isnt needed but yk

fuel

[somber berry]

naval meta now is patrol?

[fossil rain]

dis is the faction

[glacial steeple]

its not meta because patrol sucks but it is required

[somber berry]

or is it still naval bombers c strike force

[glacial steeple]

strike force also uses fuel now

[glacial steeple]

strike force on its own gives no supremacy

[fossil rain]

I have access to british ports

[glacial steeple]

only patrol does

[fossil rain]

it keeps the dominance in like 3 outa the 4 zones I need

[somber berry]

then what does it do? (strike force)

[glacial steeple]

it keeps/amplifies your dominance

so like say

you have 400

you add a strike force

now its 800

[fossil rain]

i could do that too, but I have to end up naval invading the aussies too

I just dont get the naval invasions

[somber berry]

so now its patrol x strike force?

[glacial steeple]

kind of yes

also early destroyers

[somber berry]

air superiority helps?

[fossil rain]

i put my subs on patrol, and my surface ships on strike force, so it goes up in one region, then they leaev it to go to another region, and it drops down

[glacial steeple]

take them out of your fleet

your range is very limited now

you need places that can have level 8 ports

and making new naval supply is like 50K CIC

[neat widget]

do you have no compromise no surrender

[glacial steeple]

so you generally wont be able to make more

[somber berry]

?

[neat widget]

12.5k actually

[glacial steeple]

include port cost

its def more than 12K

[neat widget]

Oh yeah right

[fossil rain]

how do I set up the ships in a way where I can actually damn naval invade

needa get to australia

[glacial steeple]

is there a hub in java?

[fossil rain]

its british owned now, but I have mil access

[glacial steeple]

like a naval hub

those give range

ports just give troop supply

[graceful dragon]

fulfill specific conditions nice 👍

how am i supposed to unlock them

[glacial steeple]

doctrine

[graceful dragon]

how much bc with the 4 selected it still doesnt unlock them

do i need mastery??

[neat widget]

I think you need to get them all to max mastery

Which is 500 in most cases except in a few where it is 250

[graceful dragon]

Nah 💀

[neat widget]

Or at least one actually

[raven snow]

why cant i assign to these sea regions even though i have ships in them

[glacial steeple]

yes

[wild rune]

no?

all you need is massive division

[graceful dragon]

alr thats not so bad ig

[wild rune]

mastery is not real

[graceful dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/richy-cursed-ez-feet-stay-mad-gif-3675544369704478728

[vital geode]

Ctrl right click a nearby port

Range will be calculated from there

[hasty belfry]

Before NCNS, a division of 12 infantry and 4 artillery had 36 with. Now, with the firepower concentration sub doctrine it 32.8. Should I put in one more infantry battalion, one more artillery battalion, or one of something else like AA or AT? This division will make up most of my army besides special forces and port guards.

[wild rune]

@neat widget what do you need help with lol

[wild rune]

inf

[hasty belfry]

Ok.

[royal gazelle]

is meta combat width still 36?

[wild rune]

yes

[royal gazelle]

gotcha ty

[wild rune]

tho its moreso anything below or at 36w

[glacial steeple]

for the div to be larger in design no?

[wild rune]

I was contradicting obviously correct information

thereby spreading misinformation

[glacial steeple]

"obviously correct" and im just guessing

[wild rune]

a pastime that I don't participate in too often albeit on rare occasions

[wild rune]

you need inf doctrine mastery to get to 5th slot

[pliant condor]

answer is adding a tank

[neat widget]

Oh shoot I forgot to leave lmao

[inner jackal]

https://discord.com/channels/183787140671471616/727260126481744033

if anyone can help it'd be awesome

[visual portal]

how does one proclaim a pure buddhist land as japan?

[inner jackal]

thanks in advance

[fossil rain]

can someone help me

im not getting this

this is my 3rd failed attempt

its 38 and I haven't even pushed a single tile

[wild rune]

@glacial steeple

check this out

[gusty briar]

Anybody have any experience with naval invasions as a minor? Im wondering if certain invasions that weren't possible in the past would now be possible, since theoretically humans can micro navy better than AI?

I'm wondering for example playing greece u used to always be just short or being able to invade Turkey bc they had very slightly more supremacy than u, but now maybe if u trade for oil or something u could maybe pull it off without much trouble

[hasty belfry]

I’m playing as a Chinese warlord.

Tanks may as well be wunderwaffe.

[wild rune]

your first mistake was trying to naval invade

unironically just pushing no naval invasions is better

[glacial steeple]

huh

[wild rune]

the guy asking for help as japan

[glacial steeple]

ITS 1938?????

what does this guy do all game

[wild rune]

he clearly thinks he scales better than warlords

[glacial steeple]

hhhhh

[vital geode]

Naval invading with tanks and horses. Seems legit

(Also you have 0 fuel)

[glacial steeple]

late 38 no fuel china alive starting divs (non standardized)

:(

[vital geode]

513 political power

[wild rune]

its cooked gng

[fossil rain]

I was waiting for the marco polo event

it came late 38

[glacial steeple]

you do focus

480 days shorter

[fossil rain]

I have been

what

WHAT FOCUSSS

[pliant condor]

ok join a vc

i will show you how to play japan

[fossil rain]

alr, gimmie like 5 minutes

[glacial steeple]

topazand plays japan yes

[pliant condor]

hebei garrison

search for it

[fossil rain]

oh

[wild rune]

lmao

[fossil rain]

I already completed it

probably around late 38

ill join vc, join at 9:45, gotta do something rq

[wild rune]

@glacial steeple manual declaration

[glacial steeple]

thats cuz the mission failed

hate

tibet wouldve capped you if you just went afk

[neat widget]

Reverse, certain naval invasions that were possible before can't be done

[wild rune]

I took all my port garrisons and put them on tibet

[neat widget]

They've multiplied the invasion time by almost 9 times

[wild rune]

lmao

[pliant condor]

k

you do it in early 37

when the timer has like 500 days left

[neat widget]

plus patrol supremacy means that you may have to fight to get it, and also requires fuel

[glacial steeple]

they couldve won

[wild rune]

false

[glacial steeple]

strike force too btwe

i will reiterate

strike force costs fuel

[neat widget]

I mean I would do that too tbh

[neat widget]

Oh right forgot about it

Playing as Iran makes you forget about fuel

Worse than that, Iran with the Soviet Union as an ally

[gusty briar]

Yeah i know the time thing, but like for example the example I was using they used to just park their whole fleet on strike force and have lipe 60 more supremacy than possible for u to have, if u micro well and trade for fuel maybe its doable, especially since with Greece u usually want to invade like 4-5 months into the war, so u can rack up casualties and cut their supplies

[glacial steeple]

you cant wait that long

or you lose

[vital geode]

Sometimes I think naval fuel usage needs to be halved or something

[neat widget]

Well if I didn't know better

[glacial steeple]

china does scale decently despite starting as probably the most pathetic "major"

[neat widget]

that was a short circuiting

[glacial steeple]

even surpassing italy

[glacial steeple]

double or nothing

[neat widget]

Yeah Italy is actually semi-competent tbh, but it doesn't scale as well as China

[glacial steeple]

italy has like 6 coal

they cant even do their missions anymore cuz they need to trade away so many civs

[gusty briar]

I'm kinda mad that Mexico saves are probably ruined purely bc the invasions take so much time to naval invade

[glacial steeple]

its cooked

[vital geode]

Doesn't the north have decent coal mines IRL or am I wrong

[glacial steeple]

this isnt irl

[neat widget]

Just conquer France and the Balkans, there you have civs now (and also coal I guess)

[glacial steeple]

sorry i got it wrong italy has 7

i apologize

[vital geode]

Wait hol up. Aren't you able to invade without naval invasion tech now, but limited to 2? Or am I wrong

[gusty briar]

They have oil and get a lot of dockyards, but u need to rush through all the wars to be able to join in on WWII, and also get as much of South America before guarantees from Birtain start coming in

[glacial steeple]

no coal in balkans

[glacial steeple]

no

thatd be good game design

be realistic

[neat widget]

I see 16 coal in Yugoslavia + 1 in Albania

[glacial steeple]

the czechs have like 50

thats like nothing

[neat widget]

They're part of the Balkans since they guarantee Yugoslavia

In any case in a singleplayer game you can do a megaconquest of France, Yugoslavia, Romania, and Czechoslovakia through just one war

Italy's even more screwed in multiplayer however

And also won't Bulgaria take the coal instead there

[fossil rain]

alr u can join vc

[pliant condor]

think about the bigger picture

you are boosting germany eco

[neat widget]

Yeah fair, Italy doesn't need to win in the Med for Germany to take over Russia

[serene karma]

Hes probably on a alt so i need the user

[pastel scroll]

ok so... there is no one selling coal and I control, Britian and Germany... how do I fix this?

[serene karma]

lmao

[neat widget]

Question why are we attacking Fujian instead of Shanghai?

[knotty condor]

Restrict your trade law or build civs

[pastel scroll]

Ummmm...

[vital geode]

Lower eco law or demobilize

Building civs increase coal consumption

[pastel scroll]

ohhhhh

[vital geode]

Factories consume coal

More factories, more coal consumption

[knotty condor]

Mb, i thought they help with coal

[pastel scroll]

Right so...

I can't lower eco anymore cause I'm a Dem

and Demoblizing...

yeah I don't think that helps

[vital geode]

You have a bunch of factories

You are fine

[neat widget]

Oooh new amphibious exploits

[vital geode]

Mobilization is for construction of factories

[pastel scroll]

yeah no it got worst

[neat widget]

I still question naval invading China's most mountainous coastal province

[vital geode]

We invading the South?

[pastel scroll]

I'm on Civil Econ and ummm

[wild rune]

pluh

[wild rune]

cooked

[neat widget]

Okay I'm going to leave the helping lounge so that you can see what's going on

[pastel scroll]

I dunno... invade the Soviet Union for Coal?

[spark swallow]

imma be real what is civil econ

[pastel scroll]

I have more than enough Manpower and Tank to do it

[spark swallow]

is it like civil engineering for econ or smth

[glacial steeple]

i want this but the ai never let me have it

[pastel scroll]

Civilian Economy?

[spark swallow]

oh lmao

[wild rune]

fr

[vital geode]

Sounds like a lot of fun going on

Also why wouldn't you want mengukuo

Eh idk, i have to go to bed, cya everyone

[pastel scroll]

Right so...

how do I get more coal... is the only option just to invade people?

[neat widget]

good night jonathan

[neat widget]

i think so

[wild rune]

yes or trade

[pastel scroll]

Welp…

I guess instead of Oil, the USA is now demanding the freedom of Coal

[neat widget]

wow your us ran out of coal? just how many factories do you have

[pastel scroll]

^

[neat widget]

I see

Yeah that makes sense

[pastel scroll]

Yeah…

Annex Britain and Germany in a peace deal

And all of a sudden, boom