EFR Mod addtion/rework and ideas

[gaunt lava]

do they naturaly spawn

one sec letme instal the latest nightly

[sharp gyro]

(sorry if inappropriate/not relevant, in that case, ignore me) Is it possible to use campfire as a heat source for the witches' cauldron and TC crucible/thaumatorium?

[river ferry]

Actually its a great suggestion, but not as easy to do so since both witchery and TC are ARR mods

Might be possible tho

[sharp gyro]

What does ARR mean?

[river ferry]

All rights reserved

We cant edit them

[sharp gyro]

ah

[river ferry]

Not directly

[sharp gyro]

Also this doesn't tie to EFR directly, but I was disappointed, that nitor doesn't work for the witches' cauldron.

There is also a mod that allows exoflames to work with the thaumatorium, maybe it's possible through there?

[red tartan]

For Thaumcraft: can you make a feature request for Salis Arcana? I'd love to implement that.
https://github.com/rndmorris/Salis-Arcana/issues/new?template=feature_request.yaml

[sharp gyro]

Sure, I can make a request

Maybe there could be a tag that tells if the block can be used as a heat source for the thaumatorium? And campfire(s) (campfires, because some other mods already added campfire to GT:NH), fire, nitor etc could have this tag

[red tartan]

Yeah, I'll probably just make the config take in a list of allowed "heat blocks"

We already have that feature for custom infusion stabilizers

[sharp gyro]

Which version should I write for the request? I'm not on a nightly?

[red tartan]

Just choose v1.1.1

That's the latest version, and we don't have that feature yet for sure

[sharp gyro]

https://github.com/rndmorris/Salis-Arcana/issues/203

Done!

[red tartan]

Thanks!

[kindred totem]

I will be so happy if we can get dripstone, lava boiler may actually be useful for once

[sharp gyro]

The lava output would probably be terrible. I also don't know if you can pump out of cauldrons. That said, I agree, it would be a nice early game source for renewable lava

[gritty turtle]

Can't pump from cauldrons no

You'd need a dynamism to rclick it with empty buckets

Tho manual isn't bad either if you have a moderately large famr

Afaik it takes ~15 mins to fill

[glossy gate]

Time to batch another 20 recipes to git

all terracota, stripped logs, and random ones

[exotic blade]

Please be gentle with the gregging. :)

[glossy gate]

I only did greg recipes for wither rose ( since the only way to get it is doing a wither farm that kills mobs, and is odd, and for a qol block)

You will see in the git pr

[exotic blade]

Perfect, and by the way since you hear a lot of "why did you do it like that?" let me say thanks a bunch for doing it at all! It takes a lot of time, it's really important and I'm glad I can focus on tasks outside recipes. :)

[glossy gate]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/NewHorizonsCoreMod/pull/1228

[outer isle]

Def a nice little QoL having it sit next to an early game smeltery

[glossy gate]

we dont have dripstone, so is a dream that will never become true

hahaha

[gaunt lava]

cant you just strip logs with an axe?

wait nvm

a easier way to do it would be nice

[glossy gate]

yes

[glossy gate]

I just added because someone said so

[serene sand]

warning: you can damage your healing axe with that....ask me how i know

no longer full durability, but ehh, i can easily craft more

crafting them was so much easier than doing food

[cosmic lintel]

I've been keeping a broken Tinker's hatchet in my backpack for this exact reason

I've made a PR to EFR repo to prevent using broken tinker tools for log stripping and pathing, but its not merged yet

[gritty turtle]

Does efr back port mending?

[cosmic lintel]

Yes

[gritty turtle]

Lfg

That's gonna be so nice

[cosmic lintel]

Isn't there a mending equivalent enchant in Thaumcraft or one of it's submods?

[gritty turtle]

Repair Only works on magic metals

[cursive forum]

also requires vis instead of xp

[cosmic lintel]

Ah gotcha, makes sense why it's only magic metals

[gaunt lava]

this seems like a lot of calcite per geode, probably over 12 stacks of calcite

this is all the calcite I got from a geode that has half eaten by a structure, 56.25 stacks of calcite

I guess it doesnt matter that much besides like a ton of oxygen for 6000 eu

[exotic blade]

That could be just fine depending on how rare geodes are. But yeah this could possibly get a slightly harder up process dust.

[gaunt lava]

it is like 2.1 million oxygen for 6000 eu per 3000 L

[exotic blade]

You know what, still better than sugar meta

[gaunt lava]

for one that was like 50% eaten up by gen

reddit claims

this is normal

144 stacks

per geode

I guess so long as gypsum is hard to get

it doesnt matter

as muchg

[exotic blade]

Calcite is also great in the blast furnace

[gaunt lava]

doesnt it just turn 1 raw ore into 2 ingots

[exotic blade]

Oh yeah nevermind you're right

I read quickly

[gaunt lava]

i think this is more power than ore proc

[exotic blade]

Yeah it's a big of a crap set of recipes.

[gaunt lava]

you can make quicklime

which has a niece set of uses

[exotic blade]

I want to see someone make passive iron from amethysts

[gaunt lava]

how

[exotic blade]

Don't amethysts in geodes grow?

[gaunt lava]

yeah

wait

that is ture

[gaunt lava]

nevermind it is like 2,1 million oxygen

[exotic blade]

If we want to tone it down we could define a block of calcite as being made of 4 or 1 dust

a brick block is 1 dust

[gaunt lava]

144 stacks of calcite for a full geode, is 9216 calcite 5 calcite make 3000 oxygen is 5.5 million oxygen

how is 2000 eu per 1000 lieters in comparison

to other oxygen methods

[glossy gate]

Nah I think is fine, I could just make that to break the calcite block into dust it needs some kind of acid, problem solved

[glossy gate]

Me too

[gaunt lava]

amethysts grow

very slow

[glossy gate]

Very very slow

And I don't think they can be world accelerated, or can they?

[gaunt lava]

5 amethyst make 1 iron

that would be a very large waste of power world accelerating

[glossy gate]

Just place a ton of magic energy absorbers

[gaunt lava]

if it requires acid it no longer serves it purpose

of being a lapis vein alternative

in steam age

[glossy gate]

Then two recipes block to 4 dust without acid, using acid it gives 9

There are always ways

[gaunt lava]

just make it 4 completly

like calcite isnt that useful of a thing

also makes crafting the calcite block easier

[exotic blade]

This block is named calcite, there's no justification for any chemical process being required to get calcite out of it.

If it's problematic just make it contain less.

[gaunt lava]

is 6 million oxygen problematic, idk

[exotic blade]

It's in MV, many players passive oxygen before then

[glossy gate]

Meh, I don't think is problematic to be 9, calcite is rare

[gaunt lava]

for a much higher eu cost

[exotic blade]

You could always increase the energy cost

[glossy gate]

I mean geodes

Geodes are rare

[gaunt lava]

ive seen around 1 every 2 roguelike dungeons ive spawned in

[exotic blade]

Maybe that's a perk of exploring dungeons then :)

[gaunt lava]

It is strange though going from geting liek 2 stacks from lapis veins to 144 stacks per geode

[glossy gate]

Also that, all geodes are underground, and can't be located by any way, so is rare to find

[gaunt lava]

orefinder wand

compress 9 calcite to get the block

and use the wand to find the geode

[glossy gate]

Ugh I didn't thought of that

Easy fix, make compression 0,2 secs in hv

[gaunt lava]

why though

calcite is still

a decorative block

and after you find 1

you can jsut find many more

i would say nerf it to 4 and give tuff/amethyt blocks a proper use

[glossy gate]

Is just that I don't think changing the block from 9 to 4 is a solution

[gaunt lava]

144 stacks seem exessive

[glossy gate]

Amethyst blocks can be chisel changed to Greg tech amethyst

[gaunt lava]

alright

[glossy gate]

Tuff... It shouldn't generate tuff

[gaunt lava]

whats the outer thing

[glossy gate]

Tuff block was disabled

It's made from deepslate

Or at least I remember that

Can't you check?

[gaunt lava]

one sec im still in a outdated nightly

i saw the recepie in the april fools verson

[glossy gate]

Ah no, yes, it's made of tuff

Previously it was made from bassalt

Yea I can add something to do with tuff

Any ideas?

[cosmic lintel]

Isn't tuff kinda like a rock made of ash?

[exotic blade]

I thought tuff was explicitly meant to be enabled like deepslate

[red tartan]

Not game-tick-accelerated, but growth ticks should work, I think.

[glossy gate]

Is ash, cuarzite, calcium and silica

[gaunt lava]

not realy relevant, zombie vanilla farms would be faster iron generation

tuff is just volcanic ash im pretty sure

so it varries

so similar to basalt

prob could just make it macerate into basalt dust

[glossy gate]

I can always add some hv - ev processing to reward exploration

[reef stream]

Minecraft geology makes no sense anyway

!realism

[raw phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/748915572665745548/1057795086055911444/warn-overthinking-011.png

[gaunt lava]

exploraiton, isnt it in the overworld

as it is similar to basalt

i think this works

[glossy gate]

I will see, I'm not at home, and maybe when I arrive I don't remember any of this 😹

[gaunt lava]

no worries, most likely will be useless like all the other stone dusts

[glossy gate]

Stone dust is not useless anymore

Taranium line

[gaunt lava]

mined stone dust is useless

[glossy gate]

Takes over 1M stone dust to make the first taranium ingot

[gaunt lava]

making a bouldenator

is gona be more useful than trying to find tuff

so stone dust, and the varients as a earlygame item is still useless

honestly idk if it is worth storing stone dust for taranium

[glossy gate]

Jokes on you since one of the ways to make taranium more efficient is to use stone dusts from other planets

[gaunt lava]

tuff is a overworld dust

volcanic dust has real life pollution uses so could be cool for that

[glossy gate]

And also I readed in the discussion that cobblestone to stone dust ( using boldarnator) is going to take a nerf so stone dust from ore processing is more viable

[acoustic lily]

I've seen people do this in modern pack; it's kinda bad without mods like ars that allow you to grow amethyst way faster

[glossy gate]

Time to add more recipes

I´m also going to add autoclave recipes for the amethyst decorative shards

[glossy gate]

Btw

[glossy gate]

Tuff is usefull

[acoustic lily]

and how do you automate tuff?

[exotic blade]

Probably the same way you automate other planet soils.

[glossy gate]

Laser engraver

I will add a meteor

[exotic blade]

Laser engraver not so much, meteor is totally fine though. The dust could also be added to the EOH

For consistency

[glossy gate]

The dust should be added to gt5 no?

[lament sleet]

aren’t the planet dusts in coremod

kind of gross tbh

[exotic blade]

Dreamcraft is the right place to add crossmod integrations that are unique to the pack, and yeah it's where the other dusts are.

[gaunt lava]

I wish amethyst had some niece pre TF use

It doesnt even get the spyglass

[glossy gate]

the dark glass

xd

and free iron

[gaunt lava]

the energy cost of processing it is prob more than the worth of the iron

I mean with hardcore darkness is tinted glass useful, if you put it on top of a mob farm you cant even see the mobs

It is transparent but things under it are completly black

[void tiger]

Deepslate and Tuff have to be new ore bases

[runic root]

Tuff doesn't have ores in vanilla

[glossy gate]

This tread its about adding new recipes and integration, not about adding new things that doesnt even exists

[runic root]

Deepslate ores are integrating a modern feature

[exotic blade]

Maybe after the ore refactor.

[glossy gate]

I mean tuff ores

doesnt make any sense

xd

[acoustic lily]

i don't see why not

GTM does that and it works fine, so i really don't see a reason against it

[glossy gate]

Because tuff is only generated rarely

very rarely

[acoustic lily]

that's not a good reason

[runic root]

Tuff isn't that rare, but doing what vanilla does and just having deepslate works fine and is feature parity

[acoustic lily]

We've not exactly been diligent on feature parity

[glossy gate]

In vanilla is not that rare. but here tuff generates only around geodes

[acoustic lily]

It's a small change that adds a lot

[acoustic lily]

so wait, a really nice building material is rare and has no way to be automated until what, IV?

[glossy gate]

Thats not what we are speaking about

xd

[acoustic lily]

no but i am

That's a stupid decision if so

[glossy gate]

is a thing of efr mod itself

not mine

[runic root]

Why was tuff made rarer?

[acoustic lily]

Can you rock breaker tuff

If not, you should

[glossy gate]

No

also no one of tuff decorative blocks has recipes yet, so eighter way, its not like it matters a lot

[runic root]

Tuff is volcanic ash, could do something like ash in rock breaker

[acoustic lily]

that works

but gating a building block is an issue

even without any of the decorative blocks, tuff is a really good looking block

and lets you get away from chisel slop

[glossy gate]

You can always add that the world generates patches of it like in vanilla, since I dont know who to do things of world generation, I would not do that ( or maybe is a thing of an unactivated config option, idk)

[gaunt lava]

Has an alternative recipe for etfuturum copper blocks been made yet

Because copper blocks like that

Are pretty cool

[glossy gate]

decorative coper blocks dont have any recipes yet, only non waxed to waxed

they will get or a chisel or a vanilla craft recipe

also need to add oxidation recipes

[gaunt lava]

Dont give them copper blocks chisel recepie

9 copper per block is a very steep price

I would recommend 4 stone and 4 copper make 16 copper blocks

[glossy gate]

It was going to be something like that yea, copper to 16

Idk I'm in bed, tomorrow if I have time I will work on that, and add it to my ongoing pr

Btw is Verdigris a material/ dust in gtnh? ( oxidized copper)

[gaunt lava]

no

I would do like fermenter for oxidization and arc furnace for unoxidization

[gritty turtle]

could make em like the tinkers blocks

chisel + ingot to 1 block

[glossy gate]

😏

added tuff as filler, it doesnt show since I missed a :0 in the code, fixed

[gaunt lava]

honestly I think sculk should be similar to soulsand in use

exept like biogass instead of oil

[exotic blade]

@gaunt lava has been looking into custom themes for Roguelike Dungeons. It looks like the perfect place in the overworld in which to backport the ruined cities and sculk found in modern.

So we could have it as reliable worldgen

Hell we could even fit sculk into the progression somewhere to make players visit dungeons at least once, maybe just magic progression.

[gaunt lava]

i mean there is only so much sculk in dungeons

[exotic blade]

We have bio labs to let you grow more later

[worn lichen]

Maybe stick them on the moon to make the moon a little less boring? (Or another planet)

Or the deep dark dimension would probably be thematically appropriate, but that's too late in progression

[gaunt lava]

Does EFR add mushroom stem?

[reef stream]

Is crystal even obtainable?

In automatable way, that is

nvm, I can see it is

[glossy gate]

silktouch and autoclave

[glossy gate]

autoclave

[glossy gate]

It adds this two

[red tartan]

Does EFR add the Sculk Catalyst yet?

(In vanilla, Sculk Catalysts consume the XP dropped by mobs dying nearby and convert it into various sculk blocks)

[red tartan]

There should be three. Brown Mushroom Block, Red Mushroom Block, and Mushroom Stem.
https://minecraft.wiki/w/Mushroom_Block#Stem

(The spores aren't a real block, though - they're just a texture that the other blocks will display on some of their faces.)

[serene sand]

so for shulker spawning, i was thinking rarely in lich towers, and then a lot more common in the final castle

or half way between those 2 in the ur ghast tower

[wispy aspen]

I feel like the Lich Tower already has pretty nice loot in the books and many chests and spawners present. I'd add them to the Final Castle and the Aurora Castle

[serene sand]

wonder if i can figure out a way to have the aurora castle spawn blue shulkers

[wispy aspen]

the mob?

[serene sand]

yeah

[wispy aspen]

you'd need a variant skin that is biome specific

similar to modern Minecraft mods

[lament sleet]

they are pretty fitting for lich tower's structure

[serene sand]

yeah, the lich tower mobs could be toned down

[wispy aspen]

Why? I don't follow your reasoning here

[lament sleet]

it's a big open tower, shulkers make you levitate

the effect is most interesting and cool when theres a big space to float up in

[serene sand]

and its punishing if you dont have your glider ready

[wispy aspen]

Aurora Castle too, plus I just thought that the Unstable Core mobs looked like a scaled up version of the Shulkers' projectiles

[lament sleet]

i could see it in aurora

[serene sand]

the current weights

lichTower.addMonster(EntityZombie.class, 10, 4, 4);
lichTower.addMonster(EntitySkeleton.class, 10, 4, 4);
lichTower.addMonster(EntityCreeper.class, 1, 4, 4);
lichTower.addMonster(EntityEnderman.class, 1, 1, 4);
lichTower.addMonster(EntityTFDeathTome.class, 10, 4, 4);
lichTower.addMonster(EntityWitch.class, 1, 1, 1);

and aurora

iceTower.addMonster(EntityTFSnowGuardian.class, 10, 4, 4);
iceTower.addMonster(EntityTFIceShooter.class, 10, 4, 4);
iceTower.addMonster(EntityTFIceExploder.class, 5, 4, 4);

[wispy aspen]

The levitation effect is kinda annoying if there is no ceiling to bump your head into and stop ascending. They work in the End cities from Vanilla because the vertical tunnels have a lot of slabs that allow you to slam your head and stop ascending. If you enter a Lich Tower and start levitating while the living books bombard you alongside skeletons, people will just nerd pillar to the boss like they already do

Death Tomes, that's their name

[serene sand]

skeletons and zombies will be toned down

if (Mods.EFR.isLoaded()){
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityZombie.class, 6, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntitySkeleton.class, 6, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityShulker.class, 4, 1, 1);
} else {
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityZombie.class, 10, 4, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntitySkeleton.class, 10, 4, 4);
}

thinking something like this

tomes can be toned down as well

[wispy aspen]

I assume the numbers are Weight, Min_num, Max_num

[serene sand]

yeah

min group and max group

[wispy aspen]

tbh I'd make it as rare as the Witch to encourage people to finish the Twilight progression before they become death destroyer of worlds and can just fly to every boss XD

The Final Castle doesn't offer anything of value right? Or I'm forgetting something

[serene sand]

can add some trolly ones to the roof of the ur ghast tower

[wispy aspen]

I don't know if it's doable, but how about replacing one of the inside rooms of the Urghast towers that has the beams and Carminite Ghastling spawners with a Shulker filled room? Similar to and end city?

[gaunt lava]

Lich tower should get it because it is by far the hardest dungeon

Honestly replace the zombie and skeleton spawners with husk and stray to make it not the hardest dungeon in tf

[wispy aspen]

that's my point, why frontload the bs to the second boss

[gaunt lava]

Replacing lich tower spawners with shulker spawners would make it easier

[wispy aspen]

btw incredible work or Roguelike's rework man, can't wait to get released

[gaunt lava]

But i think husks and strays should also replace zombie and skeletons

There is no reason for lich to be 10x harder than the other dungeons and boss fights

[wispy aspen]

I'm pretty sure we were talking about spawn rates, not spawners, or am I tripping?

[gaunt lava]

I mean spawners is what makes the zombies and skeeltons right?

[wispy aspen]

there can be witch spawners then?

[gaunt lava]

Witch would not make it easier as they are all infernal

[wispy aspen]

I have never seen those damn

yes

tbh I think we should remove Witches and Creepers from the Lich Tower and replace them with Husks and Strays, so the dungeon becomes full undead mobs + the Death Tomes, thematically it would be the best, I don't know how much less difficult it would be

[lament sleet]

i like it

[serene sand]

really easy too

if (Mods.EFR.isLoaded()){
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityZombie.class, 6, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntitySkeleton.class, 6, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityTFDeathTome.class, 6, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityShulker.class, 1, 1, 2);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityHusk.class, 1, 2, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityStray.class, 1, 2, 4);
} else {
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityZombie.class, 10, 4, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntitySkeleton.class, 10, 4, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityTFDeathTome.class, 10, 4, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityCreeper.class, 1, 4, 4);
    lichTower.addMonster(EntityWitch.class, 1, 1, 1);
}
lichTower.addMonster(EntityEnderman.class, 1, 1, 4);

[exotic blade]

I didn't know the husk and Stray were in, do they even spawn in anywhere right now?

If they can be made infernal we probably want them in roguelikes

[lament sleet]

i definitely saw a husk while playing steamgate

[gaunt lava]

The problem with lich tower is infenal varient zombies and skeletons

[serene sand]

hence why i toned them down a little bit

[gaunt lava]

So as long as those mob spawners are replaced it will be better

[serene sand]

groups of 2-4 instead of always being 4

why does it even have spawners?

[gaunt lava]

Most of the problems are due to spawners

[lethal pawn]

Something I'm not sure has been mentioned yet, but I'm running a server with EFR added in and the spectator mode has a lot of bugs that would need to be fixed before people can use it
You can duplicate items through AE2 in spectator, mess with machines, and generally interact with any non-vanilla thing in the world when you're not meant to at all
There are also more minor things like spectators having hit boxes, so a survival/creative player can't interact with a block through them, allowing for bodyblocking.
Somebody worded it to me as "creative lite" and I find myself agreeing

Would be really nice to have spectator mode without these bugs, though.

[maiden tangle]

Disable by default, fix bugs, then enable

[glossy gate]

spectator mode is a creative only thing, so I dont see the problem

If you are going to cheat or dupe items in spectator mode just take them from creative at that point

[maiden tangle]

fair

[glossy gate]

Tomorrow I will continue the work in the open pr, I will add recipes for copper and all of that

[serene sand]

want to go ahead and replace all recipes that use the IC2 Iron Furnace with the EFR Blast Furnace?

[exotic blade]

If it doesn't depend on the previous PR, please open a brand new one. Any further additions not requested in a review delay that PR being reviewed and merged.

[livid barn]

EFR has netherlicious compat, that mod has a better nether

with the modern textures/blocks

you would just have to change the nether gold ore texture to use modern one

[reef stream]

Nether wart block texture has to be tweaked too

[glossy gate]

??

why

[reef stream]

Unless they changed it, nether wart has 1.10 texture and warped nether wart has modern, jappa texture

[glossy gate]

All textures changes shoul be reported to the mod itself, but since for me they look nice I dont think thy need a change

[livid barn]

This is what i did in my own pack with EFR

id recommend setting amethyst rarity super high

since they can be op

also a BM meteor ritual would be great that just summons a geode

also what abt this

like you could use AE2 spatial storage anyway

[tepid flare]

btw, one thing to be aware with spectator mode is that the noclip value is also used by Forge Essentials for the 1.7.10 /noclip feature and may cause conflicts with spectator mode.

[glossy gate]

By your own pack you mean no gtnh?

[glossy gate]

Thats already in

[glossy gate]

No

they have a recipe

[glossy gate]

ae2 spatial is iv, silktouch is stone age, there is a big diference in why I didnt do that

[tepid flare]

Specifically, the noclip field on the player object is used for spectator in newer versions and exists in 1.7.10 but is not replicated to the client. (FE uses the FE client mod to replicate this value). Other mods doing replication could also potentially interfere if they are also using the noclip value to implement spectator.

[livid barn]

kid named dislocation focus

[glossy gate]

thats still Hv, no stone age...

[red tartan]

Not really possible without changing the code, unfortunately. The meteor generation just randomly places blocks from a set of chances, it cannot place structures.

[exotic blade]

Yeah it's a real shame we can't just go ahead and change the code.

[red tartan]

Is that sarcasm or literal, I can't tell.

[gaunt lava]

Im pretty sure there is a anythyst/calcite one

[river ferry]

Regarding Netherite uses, im working on the insulator pr, and i was talking with @karmic siren about adding a new acid to the game in zpm tier, which both netherite and the taranium line would use.

The idea rn is to call it Prismatic Acid, made with prismarine shards, but our problem rn is coming up with a creative way of acquiring prismarine shards.

First idea was Guardian EEC but efr doesnt have guardians.

Then i had the idea of adding an "ore" called "scrap", which would be acquireable in Ross, and you'd need to recycle it for several random tech scraps and Prismarine shards aswell (yes, fulgora)

But im not really convinced on this second one yet. Im looking for ideas, so... does anyone have suggestions?

[gaunt lava]

Add back ocean tempels

[gritty turtle]

you could make it 'organic' and therefore a bio vat output

quartz -> prismarine or smth

[gaunt lava]

Does the fishing machine fish up prismarine?

[gritty turtle]

tho that can get annoying since bio vats don't scale well

another option is give it the nether star treatment and make it an ore

maybe an ocean-only ore, and therefore spawns only on like, the OW and Ross

[gaunt lava]

Oceans dont spawn in the ow

Rtg removed them

[gritty turtle]

there are two biomes that have the Ocean tag

[gaunt lava]

Both are nothing like a ocean

Shield and tayou

Honestly oceans should be added back

[glossy gate]

Combuster is adding multis to botania to make easy to craft things, so maybe it adds easy conversion and all of that, if not maybe prismarine could be extracted from some tier water or something

or instead of using prismarine in big amounts it could use mana prism in the laser engraver along the acid line, and make them chance consumable

[lament sleet]

or synthesized with aos 😎

the tier lines up

@river ferry thoughts?

[river ferry]

what tier are aos

this would be ultra early zpm

but aos for better yield for sure

[lament sleet]

mid-zpm yea

[river ferry]

this would be used specifically to make that material we talked abt

organic crystallization huh

[gritty turtle]

and then like, a few tiers later, a skip of some kinda using better technology

prob QFT

[river ferry]

ofc

or no

[glossy gate]

( I´m still dealing with the part of why it doesnt whant to take the dexture, but for tomorrow there should be a new pr and a fix in the old one)

I was just dumb

[exotic blade]

We really need to disable the "Blasting" EFR handler entirely

Sure it technically has a different recipe map, but it's not worth a full handler slot

Maybe we can expose that information again later if we ever add subcategories to handlers

[normal lichen]

Maybe from chitin brew or something

Or naga scales

[gaunt lava]

isnt prismarine like a sea glass

it comes from prismatic im pretty sure

[uneven raft]

@glossy gate are you sure this is a good recipe?

[river ferry]

no they're just shitposting at this point

it's become pretty obvious why they had magicn't

[river ferry]

the pr doesn't even include an image of this recipe, he's clearly trying to snuck these kind of things in

[uneven raft]

These types of recipes really shouldn't be in NH, in my opinion. There is just so much borderline impossible/tedious stuff for a block that's not even that good.

[reef stream]

Lmao wtf

If anything, it should be an infusion

[uneven raft]

I like the idea of it being an infusion recipe, though definitely with different items

[reef stream]

Like... why does it take chaurus flowers?

And other tech stuff

[river ferry]

cuz ender is all quirky 😜

[reef stream]

Chaurus plants are associated with teleportation and amethyst has nothing to do with it

It should take shit ton of vitreous and tenebrae in terms of essence as main use of amethyst in Vanilla is tinted glass

[lament sleet]

purple

🙃

[uneven raft]

also, a manyullyn crystal?

it has nothing to do with amethyst

same with matter balls

[lament sleet]

idk why not just use exquisite amethyst

[lament sleet]

i think it’s the fucking witchery rock

attuned stone or whatever

[uneven raft]

so a burnt diamond with a whiff of magic

[serene sand]

which pr adds this recipe?

[uneven raft]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/NewHorizonsCoreMod/pull/1228

not merged yet, but it is in nightlies

Also, no mention whatsoever of the budding amethyst recipe anywhere here or the PR

[river ferry]

should be purple matter balls, true

[uneven raft]

Tbh, an infusion recipe (or hell even a runic altar if you want to go extra botania) like the following would do good:

Amethyst block in the center, surrounded by 4 exquisite amethysts, and 4 runes of greed

[glossy gate]

lmao I added a ton of recipes in that pr, maybe I missed something

[serene sand]

thats a lot more reasonable

[glossy gate]

I suggest that you dont speak without knowing, it was almost four years ago, because of a discussion with Alastor

[serene sand]

well theres your issue

[exotic blade]

The Quicksand recipe that got in is also fairly ridiculous. I wanted to make something like Sand + Water to make, centrifuge to split apart again. We got a recipe involving multiple nether soil types & weird liquids.

Granted my recipe would probably have been too cheap for Thaumcraft aspect balance but there has to be a middle ground.

[runic root]

How many times is this now that a recipe was added that was far too expensive and/or annoying for what the result is?

[exotic blade]

Thankfully less often than the number of times a recipe was added much cheaper than it should be, introducing balance breaks

[glossy gate]

Just saying but usually devs review my prs, if something is added or not I dont have the final vote

[runic root]

Devs usually review all prs

[serene sand]

[maiden tangle]

|| Trying to have a discussion about magic w/ alastor and not get into an argument: challenge impossible ||

[serene sand]

i do miss talking with him about Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss

[exotic blade]

Sure, but this is where this conversation started. You do love very complicated recipes right? That's kind of obvious.

I'm just wondering whether you are realistically considering the player experience when making those recipes.

I don't mean to accuse you of anything, but a lot of those look like they just make very nice looking recipes, but not very useful ones.

[gaunt lava]

bro infinite amethyst is not even good

[glossy gate]

I talked to him about candles

[lament sleet]

i dont want to nitpick overly hard but why are rounds included in the chains

isnt a chain like, just rings

[runic root]

It is

[lament sleet]

and steel round is kind of

[serene sand]

Honestly, rings in a forming press should produce chains

[lament sleet]

yea i just dont get the rounds

[gaunt lava]

arnt chains welded

the rounds would be the welding

[serene sand]

no

[gaunt lava]

you cant link chains without cutting the ring

[serene sand]

welded chains would mean it cant bend

[runic root]

Not always, and welding something like that also doesn't always need filler

[gaunt lava]

but who cares, make chains easy to craft because they look cool

[lament sleet]

even if you did want to represent welding in the recipe (which i would argue is too small of a detail, that is excessive) you would use molten steel not rounds...

[runic root]

Or rod/fine wire like welding uses

[serene sand]

or soldering alloy

[runic root]

Solder doesn't play nice with steel

[serene sand]

ah

[gaunt lava]

you could theoreticaly get infinite iron with that block,but it is so power/time intensive it does not matter

[runic root]

At least not "normal" solders

[lament sleet]

theres like a hundred ways to get infinite iron yea

can even do it in vanilla with iron golem farms lol

[serene sand]

you need trillions of iron in the pack

you will be fine

[gaunt lava]

true, thats why I think it is exessive

why would you want to craft budding amethyst anyways, you cant craft it in vanilla

[lament sleet]

in general i think these recipes for efr things really need to lean harder into preferring simplicity. for instance from the same pr i love the stripped log recipes

these are very evocative, i like it

you can imagine exactly how the recipe works

[serene sand]

in newer ae2, you can move the budding certus block found in metors with a couple of modded items (mek cardboard box)

[glossy gate]

I have to say that I was more interested in the large amounts of prasiolite you can get with them

[runic root]

Even with WA I doubt budding amethyst would become the go-to for large quantities of amethyst byproducts

[lament sleet]

tbh if it did become the go-to that'd be a positive thing as far as im concerned

amethyst growing is unique and cool

but yea unlikely to happen

[gaunt lava]

it is 2 hours

per amethyst

as the wiki claims

or is it 2 hours per side

[glossy gate]

They can be WA

[glossy gate]

all sides = same speed

[gaunt lava]

did the copper blocks recepie change

[glossy gate]

No, did you see any new pr? xd

[runic root]

Still, even with WA that rate is really bad compared to an equal effort amount of miners

At least with current recipe

[gaunt lava]

wouldnt WA be like a ton of EU per amethyst

but changing the copper block recepie and removing it from chisel

would be nice

[glossy gate]

Im okay with that, my time by the other side is not okay xd, maybe tomorrow

[gaunt lava]

No rush

just want to make sure it does happen because it is one of the best decorative blocks

[normal lichen]

It is secrection of guardians from what they make their armor and build ocean monument

[glossy gate]

soo... is water honey

...

Prismarine bees when?

[waxen mist]

and he gave you magicn't for it lmao??

you know what actually would be viable from vanilla? if dripstone lava cauldrons were a thing. you need to spam a decent number but not too many. not that it needs to be ported

[glossy gate]

?? no no, I wasnt speaking about why I got magicn´t I meaned in there that a thing I talked with Alastor was candles ( He has an obsesion with them)

[waxen mist]

oh lmao i assumed bc thaumcraft has candles lol

[glossy gate]

go into efr issues and ask for that xd

[lethal pawn]

Well
Multiplayer

I'm pretty sure the most common thing spectator mode will be used for is visiting someone's world while they're playing

[normal lichen]

In prismatic acid line in the doc both 1st and 2nd steps create Prismarine Solution

[uneven raft]

one of them is a recycling step

[normal lichen]

Ok

[river ferry]

it is

oh

yeah one is recyling

[glossy gate]

This week finally I will have time to finish all the prs related to efr

[normal lichen]

What do you think about heart of the sea?

[exotic blade]

@stark mist the actual answer is yes, we have had some features from experiments.cfg turned on for a while now, for better or worse.

[stark mist]

Well if they get changed you will have to maintain compat within your fork.

If the warning within the config file as well as the additional ones I gave you personally are not heeded, then do be prepared for any breaking changes.

[serene sand]

looks like its mainly decorative blocks. Crimson, mangrove, moss azalea, sculk, warped blocks

[exotic blade]

Yeah, and as neat as decorative are I don't think they're worth an increased maintenance burden. I think the sculk blocks are really cool and I want to see them used, but maybe we should just turn those off for 2.8

[serene sand]

yeah

[glossy gate]

If EFR is not updated before 2.8 I dont see why they have to be turned off, if they are changed after there will be time to change things from 2.8 to 2.9

[serene sand]

plus we have Postea for any major changes

shouldnt rely on it though

[exotic blade]

Sure, or we could just turn them off and be guaranteed no extra work

Postea adds a permanent runtime overhead, we really should avoid it's use

Unless it's the only solution and the change is very desirable

[serene sand]

like i said, not to rely on it

[stark oriole]

posting in here so its noted: EFR enchanting table breaks the XU2 ritual. Ticket here: https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/issues/19785

[serene sand]

i have used the efr enchanting table for the sigil ritual

lemme check the xu code

[stark oriole]

i just tried it, it did not let me activate it

[serene sand]

oh, that is not how you activate it

it activates by killing a mob near it around midnight

shift right click just tells you the requirements

[stark oriole]

yeah

it didn't work

tried twice

[serene sand]

How much grass/dirt is surrounding it?

[stark oriole]

was at least 30 blocks in each direction

redstone around

put a cow on top of it

killed it at exactly midnight

with sigil in my inventory

[serene sand]

was the sigil glowing?

[stark oriole]

yes

[serene sand]

lemme try it real quick

i swear i had an efr enchantment table

skill issue?

all grass/dirt has to be on the same y level

[stark oriole]

yeah it was

it didn't work for me twice

[glossy gate]

also there cant be any light sources nearly ( not visible/ underground also counts)

[stark oriole]

yeah no light sources

i can try it again

[stark mist]

The IDs of those blocks may change

[stark mist]

Hardcoded check for vanilla table instead of instance check

I planned on removing the EFR versions of the blocks anyways in favor of making them mixins. (They would convert on old worlds)

Nylium and fungus in particular, checking the block and meta for all of them is a PITA, may make them separate.

The vines also might have changes to the meta layout to make their growth less laggy.

All experimental content is subject to change and is not intended for use in production environments. More importantly the content within it is not tested thoroughly.

[exotic blade]

I expected as such yeah.

[glossy gate]

Hummm... Technically it has been tested for some months by all the people that played in nightlys or that played the steam April Fools version

[stark mist]

I never really have a definitive answer for what might change. It just could change depending on if I want to edit the implementation to something I believe is better, and this may break things.

[stark mist]

New Nether is fairly well tested by me. I just am not sure if I'm keeping the implementation the same way which could mean massive world breaking results.

[exotic blade]

I'll submit PRs to remove the experimental stuff momentarily.

[stark mist]

It's also just not finished, which could lead to disappointment when something doesn't work the way a player expects it to.

I should probably stop bothering you guys about it. If you've continued to turn it on then you probably have a plan for if anything changes.

[exotic blade]

@glossy gate We can easily restore all your custom recipes when the features are preoduction ready.

[stark mist]

I just responded again because it was brought up.

[exotic blade]

No worries, we love having you around. :) And we certainly want to do right by the creators of awesome mods such as EFR from which we greatly benefit.

And yeah I mostly pinged you to gauge how much potential trouble we were causing for ourselves and you answered quite succinctly.

[stark mist]

I was just worried about you guys. The whole point of them being experimental is I am not ready to lock in the implementation they use yet. The whole reason why I'd move something away from that is because I feel like the impl is good enough to "lock in".

Changing IDs or metadata could have very bad effects on a world and could be very cumbersome to try to work around unless you maintain a fork that keeps the old implementation, which could make things messy if you're trying to keep it as close to upstream as possible.

I know you guys will continue to use the fork diversion for one reason or another, but I know it's also a goal to keep it as close to upstream as possible, and that will become very difficult if you end up being locked into an implementation I no longer support.

[exotic blade]

Yup, thanks again for detailing your concern. I think there's maybe just an unfamiliarity in this org with the concept of an original 1.7.10 mod being actively developed. :p

Regarding the fork is is very much a goal, AFAIK, that we will not make new features for it, at least not without them being PR'd upstream. The most that's been done was merging some PRs ahead of time. I guess whoever did that is also signing up for either unmerging them or supporting them should those PRs eventually be rejected.

[stark mist]

As long as you're ready for such diversions to possibly happen, then I suppose you'll be fine, though.

I don't plan on rejecting any of the PRs so far. They all look pretty good to me. I just haven't been able to get around to it. I've been working on my own library model and migrating some of the mods functions to use it to make future development easier.

I almost never get PRs, so it's pretty comical that in this one period where I've either just been not in the mood to work or working on something else, I get a whole 8 of them.

[maiden tangle]

I mean that's what happens when we decide to add it to the pack. A lot more interest in contributing 😉

[exotic blade]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/NewHorizonsCoreMod/pull/1257
https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/pull/19786

[glossy gate]

Instead of delete them I would have just commented them, but if they can be restored is fine I guess

Btw the repo where TGS recipes are generated also need to be changed

[exotic blade]

It is very much best practice to delete code rather than comment it out.

There are several reasons for this:

• Keeping the code around is unnecessary, since we can effortlessly revert this commit later.
• Commented out code will usually not be maintained with the rest of the code base and will eventually end up using deprecated/removed methods.
• A reader coming across commented code needs to do mental work every time to figure out whether they should delete this code, or whether there was a specific reason to keep it around.

[gaunt lava]

Wait so skulk and moss are removed?

[exotic blade]

For now yes, unfortunately

But I expect when they're added back they'll work much better. For instance I expect non-experimental Sculk would actually behave as it should.

[gaunt lava]

Isnt skulk just a normal block

wait it has the catalyst

If skulk block can be turned into something interesting, then a skulk farm might be interesting

[glossy gate]

I have a txt where I note uses for some blocks, skulk being used in blood magic and crimson and warped in thaumcraft, since both relates with the names and that

Tweak would be done for 2.9 in either case, but I was thinking in basically changing some recipes that use oredicted wood or things like that

[gaunt lava]

If skulk catalyst exists and works skulk being centrifuged into biomass and deepslate, and a small chance of zinc chloride or other blue dust similar to how soulsand can be centrifuged into oil and sand

[exotic blade]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/pull/4273

Please let me know if I missed something

[stark mist]

*Sculk (not "skulk") items are not functional hence being experimental.

Most do not exist.

Enabling them would just be wasted IDs imo

[gaunt lava]

Sculk blocks would be a wasted id the same way any chisel or xtone block is a wasted id

It still looks kinda cool

But it isn’t that big of a deal

Shame warped/crimson, mangrove, azalia and moss are removed though, they are pretty nice looking

[serene sand]

@stark mist what all changes are still needed for bubble columns besides them not caring if they are no longer surrounded by water?

[stark mist]

Not sure.

[ornate trout]

we have so much out commented code in the past that it would better to delete it. We can check Git history for restore it.

@glossy gate are we run in issues with your unmerged recipe prs if we remove the EFR stuff by Yannik in dev branch ?

[glossy gate]

I have to do changes in them, so is not a problem, I think only one pr will have conflicts

[ornate trout]

let me know when it is done and link it to the prs so i can check we did next time a nightly

[glossy gate]

There are only two prs that need changes, the one that add recipes for stripped logs and the one that adds meteorites to BM

[ornate trout]

let me know when they compatible

[glossy gate]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/pull/19563
This one is ready, it used efr stuff previously, now is changed, it wasnt in nightlys, but since now is changed and reflect the changes aditya sugested, I think is ready

[ornate trout]

Ok when I will do next nightly I add it

[glossy gate]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/NewHorizonsCoreMod/pull/1221/
This one is also ready, removed efr stuff and changed the stuff that was neded to change

[glossy gate]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/NewHorizonsCoreMod/pull/1228
This one is also ready

I also changed the stuff that was requested to change

Only two prs left

or one

@serene sand should I add the ic2 furnace change to this pr directly?

or just make another pr

[serene sand]

new one

[glossy gate]

Do you know of an easy way to see where are recipes coded? since the ones in coremod are changed, but I cant find all of this ones in coremod

Also can someone change the ones in gt5? my gt5 repo has broken again, its like the fourth time this year, idk what happens, but makes imposble do things ( since you do something and at the next day you cant open idea)

[lament sleet]

enable nei stacktrace in gt nei configs

[glossy gate]

the configs are accesible in game, or is a file?

[lament sleet]

you can access it ingame but youll have to restart anyways since the stacktraces arent captured if the config is off

[exotic blade]

In the future I would strongly recommend you just spam us with new smaller PRs rather than try to bundle so many new recipes together. This will make it so recipes with changes requested don't hold the other ones up. 🙂

[glossy gate]

thats why I name my prs batch of recipes

I could make one pr per recipe

[exotic blade]

/untroll One PR per family of recipes is perfectly fine. So one PR with only Netherite gear, one PR with only stripped logs, one PR with only glazed terracotta.

Easier to review, you'll get faster feedback and quicker merges, and as a bonus you get more Github activity for your profile.

[gaunt lava]

I think that path blocks should give you like a 1.1x speed boost or make you loose less hunger when walking on them, as like the most primitive type of logistics support

[glossy gate]

if you want that, open an issue in efr repo

[exotic blade]

I predict that would be defined as out of scope, since EFR is about backporting vanilla, not adding features to vanilla

We already have TiCo blocks with speed bonuses

[gaunt lava]

I mean netherite got netherite line and shulker/ barrel got iron skulker and barrel

Also i thought only concrete gave speedboost

[stark mist]

What is "netherite line"??

I'd consider the latter built in mod support instead of out of scope features

[gaunt lava]

The line used to make netherite?

the luv material

Im pretty sure it is in the nightlies

[karmic siren]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/pull/4074

[exotic blade]

tldr; Netherite was considered too cool to be something you can make full use of as soon as you enter the Nether

So it had extra uses in tech added

[glossy gate]

All the vanilla netherite stuff is crafteable once you enter the nether

[serene sand]

just not very efficiently

[glossy gate]

?

[serene sand]

I thought the point of the netherite line was to make it more efficiently

[runic root]

Netherite line is the only way to make netherite items for gregtech use

Netherite for tools/armor can be done sooner

[serene sand]

ah

[stark mist]

????

What does "the line" mean?

[gaunt lava]

A chemical line

I guess most processes in gtnh are more circular

Like a chemical gets processed into another chemical several times, it forms a line of sorts

Similar to an assembly line

Or exactly what a process line is

[normal lichen]

https://ftbwiki.org/Ender_Air_Bottle
Enderite line when?

[glossy gate]

tecnically we have something

[stark mist]

Ah ok

I don't play advanced tech packs so I don't know what these terminologies mean.

[serene sand]

Redoing our EFR fork's branch btw
Master will return to being the main branch and upstream will be the one kept in sync with upstream

@stark mist you okay with using the GTNH fork as a testing fork, then we upstream any changes (minus GHA/bs changes) from there?

a lot easier for us to keep track of the change

We wont touch anything you have marked as experimental

[stark mist]

Yeah use whatever build just as long as it won't cause major conflicts

[stark mist]

Thanks for your patience, I am working to finish the basic HogUtils build in order to get that branch from my end merged with main.

I haven't merged any PRs yet because I don't want to solve merge conflicts when merging the branches. I would much rather solve the conflict on each individual PR as I pull them in once I get my branch upstreamed

[serene sand]

That is what our dev branch is for

we merge almost all pending prs into it and its used for pack nightlies

we also force prs to be kept up to date with the master branch

[serene sand]

lmk when its merged

[glossy gate]

Ugh this is weird, all the experimental stuff is removed, but if I go to a world that previously had those blocks, the blocks arent removed, and I can still get them, so, basically the blocks are just removed from NEI but they are Keep in game?

[exotic blade]

That shouldn't be the case for most materials. Maybe a few are implemented as variants of other blocks

But I've had forge warn me about removed blocks

[serene sand]

That doesnt sound right

public static void init() {
    for (ModBlocks block : VALUES) {
        if (block.isEnabled()) {
            if (block.getItemBlock() != null || !block.getHasItemBlock()) {
                GameRegistry.registerBlock(block.get(), block.getItemBlock(), block.name().toLowerCase());
                //This part is used if the getItemBlock() is not ItemBlock.class, so we register a custom ItemBlock class as the ItemBlock
                //It is also used if the getItemBlock() == null and getHasItemBlock() is false, meaning we WANT to register it as null, making the block have no inventory item.
            } else {
                GameRegistry.registerBlock(block.get(), block.name().toLowerCase());
                //Used if getItemBlock() == null but getHasItemBlock() is true, registering it with a default inventory item.
            }
        }
    }
}

if its not enabled, they are not even registered

Are you sure your config was updated?

[glossy gate]

I´m using latest nightly

using the same testing world that I use for all nightlys

[serene sand]

How did you update?

[glossy gate]

install latest nigtly, fresh instance, transfer the test worl from one instance to the new one

[glossy gate]

You can even do this, and it gives to you the block

[serene sand]

hmm

[serene sand]

NETHER_WART(ConfigBlocksItems.enableNetherwartBlock || ConfigExperiments.enableWarpedBlocks, new BlockNetherwart()),

special case

[glossy gate]

yea that one is enabled, but there are two variant of that one, one shouldnt be enabled

[serene sand]

looks like it was how @stark mist coded it

the experimental config only controls it being added as a subblock

public BlockNetherwart() {
        super(Material.grass, "nether_wart_block", "warped_wart_block");

im not too worried about that

nightly -> nightly isnt as major as release -> release

[glossy gate]

Also that you can also get any other experimental blocks, like mangrove saplings, or well if you know the tag, any block

[serene sand]

im not too worried

[exotic blade]

The only thing that really matters is that we don't make that content available normally. If players spawn in unavailable items, that's on them.

[maiden tangle]

i mean, it eats up block ids

[serene sand]

no it doesnt

[maiden tangle]

but other than that, if you cheat in blocks that aren't enabled, that's on you

[serene sand]

it eats up a couple of block's metaids

[maiden tangle]

ah ok

[serene sand]

cherry and mangrove saplings are the same item technically, just different metadata

[maiden tangle]

cherrrry tree?

bad gogurt impression

[serene sand]

lol

plus we already have cherry trees

[maiden tangle]

aren't they lame BOP cherry trees?

fuck that mod

[serene sand]

true

maybe Natura?

[maiden tangle]

I want to replace it

but so low on my list

[glossy gate]

btw I thought cherry was experimental stuff and I removed all the things related to it, now I need to add them again

[serene sand]

no, just mangrove was expeimental

[glossy gate]

and azalea

[serene sand]

azalea dont use the same base sapling class as cheery and mangrove

[stark mist]

Warped wart block is a meta of the existing nether wart block which can be separately enabled

[stark mist]

Azalea is still experimental

I'm introducing utils in HogUtils to help manage meta values based on config options so you might see more content like this soon. I want to continue conserving IDs and reducing waste

[mild crater]

sorry if I missed a previous talk on this, but what is the intent for this line and prismarine with the QFT? I am referencing nightly 1024 for context. I looked into nei and it seems this line differs from other lines in the qft, with other lines requiring very little further processing, while this one netherite line does. Also the prismarine line does not have a QFT route. Is the intent because this is used for high-grade coils rather than raw resources used in many other lines?

other than that question, it seems like a fun line actually getting the milling process to be useful

[serene sand]

todo: working stonecutter

[exotic blade]

Can someone quickly do some recipes for boats with chests and colored beds if those aren't in yet?

I think boat with chest can just be boat + wood screws + chest

Let's finish integrating EFR this week

[serene sand]

nah, boat + duck tape + chest

[exotic blade]

Way too late to be useful

[serene sand]

lol i know

but its funny

[exotic blade]

Yeah nah

Boats are cool

Let's let players have fun

[serene sand]

Modern boats are cool

1.7 boats are trash

We can probably nuke the ic2 electric and rubber boat recipes imo

[exotic blade]

Yes which is exactly why it's important to make those modern boats cheap

[exotic blade]

We can keep lava proof boats around

[serene sand]

fair

[exotic blade]

Until we make a steel version of the EFR boats

Shouldn't be too hard

Iron boats with iron chests in the back :v

[serene sand]

lol

[gritty turtle]

wooden screws maybe

[waxen mist]

does efr have the vanilla pottery jars. u could replace the exu tiny chests with pottery jars

[cosmic lintel]

Greatwood boats can also be nuked, as they're literally just 1.7 boats that don't break (and a bit faster)

Might need to do something about the resarch though, as it's a prerequisite for the thaumium boat

[glossy gate]

ic2 boats can be nuked since ic2 is gona be removed

[stark mist]

No

[stark mist]

How will you even do that? How will this affect existing worlds?

[serene sand]

I think the boats will just be removed

[glossy gate]

Well the mod is going to be removed so all the stuff from it will be yeeted 🙃

[exotic blade]

To give a more complete answer, important ic2 items will be seamlessly replaced. The boats are unlikely to be deemed important enough

[reef stream]

Efr boats are so much better than normal boats it isn't even funny. Nuke all other boats

[glossy gate]

Do shulkers spawn at Lich towers yet?

[serene sand]

not yet

[crimson ginkgo]

There is an issue with the bound shovel and making path on dirt. Right clicking should remove a 7x7x7 block around the player, but if a dirt block is hit, it instead creates path. This happens very often and is a real nuisance. I'd suggest adding a condition to check the shovel used is not the bound shovel.

[stark mist]

This should already be fixed in the latest CI builds.

Unless it unfixed itself and I have to fix it again.

Last few commits won't have a CI because GitHub fucked up though. But the previous ones would be more than new enoughm

[stark mist]

What is the ID of this item?

[glossy gate]

I just remember, I forgot to pr the recipes for color beds, can I do a pr now? Asking because we are at feature freeze

[serene sand]

yes

the feature freeze is targetted at features

[uneven raft]

That's too complex of a recipe for an item that's worse than a ic2 jetpack

not like the first recipe is any good but still

[normal lichen]

Add elytra as crafting ingredient in smthn

[glossy gate]

Wtf

[normal lichen]

I just like hate current elytra recipe

[glossy gate]

Yea and adding witchery and blood magic to it is way better 🙄

[normal lichen]

Blood shard because it and elytra scale are both chips of something alive, flying ointment because obvious, pride rune because you fly above all

[red tartan]

Elytras aren't supposed to be jetpacks, though. They're a faster & more maneuverable variant of the Hang Glider.

Long distance travel & getting quickly up & down mountains - they're not meant for building or small-scale use.

[maiden tangle]

yah, but infinity plates is a bit overkill 😛

[gaunt lava]

legit put it in some random TF dungeon

like add it to urghast chest

or urghast drop

[gritty turtle]

or as a drop from teh edragon

or or you cna have the dragon drop wings/wing parts which give them an easier recipe

[gaunt lava]

hv seems kinda late

for it

[south turtle]

In EV you can craft the Advanced Jetpack must be before that

[gritty turtle]

infusion is hv too

both are gated by ender eye

[glossy gate]

1, Elytra is not a jetpack
2, it can be equipped like a bauble, not like in vanilla
3, It boosts all other flight options, giving them more speed

[vast ruin]

So I submitted a PR for the 30 slab recipes.. can I just go nuts on adding recipes or are we intentionally avoiding adding certain things? (or maybe they're added already just disabled?)
From what I can see we still need

• Boats
• Signs
• Lingering Potions
• Tipped Arrows
• Doors
• Trapdoors
• Pressure Plates
• Buttons
• Different tiered shulker boxes
• Oxidized Copper Blocks

[glossy gate]

Go wild on adding them

[glossy gate]

For the copper blocks I kinda have a pr

[glossy gate]

I´m gonna do this now, I forgot about it, and at the same time I´m gonna add some integration into draconic evolution armour recipes with EFR ( adding shulker shells as protecction in wyvern armour, and ancient scrapt in draconic)

[glossy gate]

@vast ruin I just noticed, all coper recipes are like this

I like nerfs but this is xd

[vast ruin]

That’s definitely supposed to be 20

Boubou pit in a hotfix right before beta 2 was made so the CR recipes would work for full cells of fluid at a time

I can fix that tonight Lol

[cosmic lintel]

Would anyone oppose if I re-enabled the concrete blocks (and concrete powder) from EFR but move them to a chisel group together with hempcrete?
My 2 main reasons are:

• the blocks have slighty different textures (the light gray variant is especially different too)
• I already used them in my world and I'd rather not enable them in a custom config if possible

My thought is that placing them as chisel variants avoids the recipe bloat in other machines, while keeping them as purely cosmetic variants

[cosmic lintel]

@flint magnet i'm interested to hear your thoughts, as you commented on it a while ago https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT-New-Horizons-Modpack/pull/16995#discussion_r1721652567

a comparison, rows 1 and 3 from the top are hempcrete:

[glossy gate]

Im okay with it

[gaunt lava]

A more subtle red is nice

[flint magnet]

I mean if they are different and its just chisel and not second recipes then sure why not.

sounds good

[serene sand]

wonder how much work it would be to extract all of our EFR changes into an addon mod so we have full control over it

[serene sand]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/twilightforest/pull/121/

you can see when i started on it lol

[glossy gate]

lmao

[serene sand]

I completely forgot about it lol

im going to pr the efr config to enable shulker spawning in the end

[stark mist]

Ooh that is a neat idea; can I see a picture of this in action?

👀

@azure brook @sonic oar Hey, I've gotten around to merging some PRs, I just have a couple questions left on yours (glowredman, formatting PR and MalTeez, lava float PR specifically) would you please take a look at my requests?

[stark mist]

@serene sand Meant to ping reply but Shitcord still sent it with @off for some reason

[serene sand]

gimme a sec

was scratching my head as to why shit wasnt spawning in the towers but the spawners were working, turns out spawners dont care about doMobSpawning

(that was before i submitted the pr)

purposely made them rareish

[maiden tangle]

ok good, too many of them and levitate... would be hellish

[serene sand]

nah, if there were too many of them, they would end up duping each other

[gaunt lava]

Honestly the lich tower should spawn husks and strays instead

Bc it is currently the hardest tf dungeon bc inferno varient spam

And husks/strays cant turn into inferno brutish zombies and inferno gatling skeletons

[azure brook]

Done

[livid barn]

what if there were geodes for other gems like ruby/sapphire/etc

it wouldnt make amethyst as exclusively common (with the budding mechanics and stuff)

[cursive forum]

budding ruby would either have to be too good or useless on its own, unless ruby geodes spawn on later worlds
chrome and aluminum on passive too easily would be too good, its already too strong with bees

...Now if you had to make ypur own budding blocks out of some bartworks-esque purification loop to get a pure ruby seed or something i could see something like that happening

more geochemistry, and possibly compatible with the crystal growrh accelerators from AE (idk if amethyst acceleration is in the nh backpoet actually, havent tested yet)

[jagged cradle]

am i hearing geochemistry?

[jagged cradle]

i’m !realism’s strongest soldier

[gaunt lava]

I mean it is a balance thing

Free ruby is a lot stronger than free amethyst

Mainly bc amethyst is useless

[cursive forum]

im a fake realism fan i love thaumic alchemy and breaking the law of equivalent exchange

[jagged cradle]

so the thing about rubies is that they’re a variant of Corundum, which is a mineral found in metamorphic systems, so trying to grow ruby in a geode like you would amethyst would fail and more likely just not grow anything

and trying to grow rubies out of a solution like you do with bismuth would at best just produce some other crystalline aluminum oxide or hydroxide material, preferably a sedimentary one like boehmite or gibbsite, but tbh i can’t really think of any aluminum minerals that would realistically grow crystals like that in a laboratory setting

synthetic rubies are made by taking regular alumina dust and chromium and heating them the fuck up lol

[cursive forum]

Are there plans in the works for any other vanilla-backport features? (bubble columns, swimming etc from update aquatic, "crawl mode", etc)

[sonic oar]

bubble columns are a WIP in the upstream afaik, but look great already

[cursive forum]

fantastic

putting "enderpearl stasis anchor cart" on my todo pre-emptively

[serene sand]

bubble columns or bust

[flint magnet]

when nautilus backport?

[serene sand]

:P

[glossy gate]

Heart of the sea could be a very nice thing to have xd

[flint magnet]

I was more thinking of a cool zombie nautilus ride. but sure

[livid barn]

any plans on also adding netherlicious for an efr+netherlicious nether

greg set its colored crystals to be fluorite, making fluorite super common in the nether though

[glossy gate]

No, is ARR

[jagged cradle]

arrgh

[pulsar moat]

Does this also add crouching and swimming like in new mc versions?

[crisp basin]

no

[radiant totem]

Bummer

[old cobalt]

Did anyone ever contact the owner about permissions?

[serene sand]

Even with permission we are not going to use it

We got permission from the Astral Sorcery dev to backport AS, but we ended up declining since they wouldnt allow us to change the license for our backport

FOSS or bust

[crisp basin]

aww. AS would've been cool. unfortunate but understandable

[old cobalt]

But we could if they'd be willing to change the license, right? Chance might be low, but asking won't hurt

[serene sand]

I think we already did

check mod-dev

[split lava]

Is it possible that this mod made blaze rods be craftable into blaze powder without a mortar?

[outer isle]

Is the bubble elevator soulsand thing part of this?

[serene sand]

yesn't

They are still experimental upstream so we will not use them by default

[radiant harness]

Is the villager changes a part of EFR? Will it be added in the future?

[willow dust]

use Village Name

[stoic pulsar]

Question! I actually saw that the NH dev team got permission to backport a while back, and was hoping to develop it once I finished my run. For my own understanding, being unable to change the license more or less makes the mod ARR, correct?

That's super disappointing because it's something I would have loved to see in the game

[serene sand]

correct

[stoic pulsar]

Sob

[serene sand]

any new mods are required to be FOSS

no special permissions, no private repo requirements

[stoic pulsar]

Do you think it would be worth myself reaching out to the PO3 team to see how they got license editing permission?

[stoic pulsar]

No i get that and am 100% on board

Sick of the broken IC2 bs lmao

[glossy gate]

I'm going to greggify the dragon breath recipe, since the current one is so simple and weird, any ideas? Or should I just go with the recipes in modern? ( pyrotheum + some combustible + some end something + instead of empty bottle, botania ender air)

[cursive forum]

maybw that ender goo stuff also

[glossy gate]

I will see, since ender goo has some planed ussages in a line

I was thinking in dragon essence

[gaunt lava]

Is dragon breath even used for anything

[glossy gate]

Maybeee

Just

Maybe

( well apart from the vanilla potions)

[gaunt lava]

All i see on NEI right now is the lingering potions

[stiff frigate]

This is a problem that devs can fix

[flint magnet]

lingering water bottle is my favourite

[glossy gate]

It was autogenerated

Or somebody added an array of all potions

Idk

[glossy gate]

What do you think of adding dragon breath as a fluid and making draconium get smelted using it? like in modern

:3

[livid barn]

resummoning the dragon just to put her in a vat that collects her breath

[sharp gyro]

Reminds me of the dragonforge from ice and fire, where the dragon has to blow on a multi to make dragonsteel

But I like the idea of a liquid dragon's breath to smelt certain ingots, like draconium. I think the noble gases and oxygen is too repetitive at some point

There could be a small processing line to dupe liquid dragon's breath

[past kayak]

pr is fully merged now

but thb netherite barrels seem so useless because they have the same amount of slots as the dark steel ones have but they are so much more expensive because they would require netherite screws which are ZPM tech

compressed chests (from HV) are so much better and not just because of size but also because they keep their content when broken

[gritty turtle]

make netherite barrels have a magic recipe, like netherite armour

and some extra slots obv, or it wont be worth

[gaunt lava]

why is the armor magical

[gritty turtle]

because its nto good enough to be gated to zpm

its just vanilla netherite armour

[gaunt lava]

could gate it not zpm without making it magic

[serene sand]

Dark steel is the version that is suppose to be used if the pack does not have netherite

we just happen to have both

[gritty turtle]

only other way i could see it being made is pouring debris on diamond armour on a tic casting table

[flint magnet]

to be precise, we added dark steel because we didnt have netherite

[gaunt lava]

alloy smelter

doesn't matter much though

[livid barn]

all overshadowed by dollies in a filing cabinet

thats how i moved my entire base when starting lv a while ago

put it all in a filing cabinet and hiked up to the shield biome

[flint magnet]

well I assume filing cabinet will be less broken in the xu replacement

[past kayak]

technically it's a valid usage of a filing cabinet, on the other hand now we can blacklist it

[flint magnet]

the broken part is that it often allows different items inside instead of just same item ID. If they moved base they probably abused this bug.

[past kayak]

ah I thought they put tons of dollies in a filing cabinet and moved it

[flint magnet]

ah thats possible yea. well its all in our control soon.

[spiral aurora]

Are chisel recipes for tuff/deepslate blocks and bonemealable moss planned to be added

[spiral aurora]

Also bundles would be nice

[stiff frigate]

Just use backpacks I think

[cursive forum]

will bubble columns be added?