Introducing the NAC

[stray bough]

What energy hatch do you have on the nac?

[distant sandal]

debug uxv 256

and the module is the wiretracer

i have a matrix , he has power

[stray bough]

Ah wait I think I know why

[spark thistle]

Alright, got it workin!

[stray bough]

The way it works is

• Each module has a buffer of EU large enough to run its longest recipe (limited by the laser on the NAC)
• NAC charges these buffers, starting with the assembly matrix as it's most important

Because we added quantum circuits to assembly matrix with a long recipe time, its buffer is currently really large

So it'll take some time to charge it to full

We have something planned to make this not as bad, but for now you just need to wait for the matrix buffer to fill up

[stray bough]

Awesome

[spark thistle]

never runed the dev enviroment lul, is there a way I can add a resource pack there?

[stray bough]

It produces a run/ folder which is basically just a normal instance you can place things into

[spark thistle]

ah perfect, thank you!

[stray bough]

This might actually take quite a while with the current implementation, I recommend using /nbtedit to just fill the assembly matrix EU buffer manually

@distant sandal

[spark thistle]

Wanted to make sure you guys are okay with this for the ShadowUI for future

[stray bough]

bit sad to see the color go but it is still using the same theme

[spark thistle]

well true that

also on the side note, dont you think these should be some custom buttons?

if planned

[stray bough]

Are they not

[spark thistle]

they are basic mui2 buttons

[stray bough]

You mean the icon on them or the style

[spark thistle]

The icons ye

[stray bough]

We can always replace them with better custom icons I suppose but that's very very low prio

[spark thistle]

well I can give it a shot if you want nope lul

if I'm at it

[stray bough]

Sure, you've seen what they do

[open mist]

tbh i'd like the gui to be dark theme, but those custom ones are already dark and they have the vibe of progressing because gui is unique

it should be an option if possible

like, i use this texturepack to not get flashbanged, not to see everything grayed out

took me a while to realise it is nac aoi not shdow ui lmao

[spark thistle]

I understand your view. But from my view, I wanted the resource pack to have matching "theme" across all GUis. And I sadly know that I won't satisfy all people.

[open mist]

just make them as two separate packs

one for dark guis, another as an addon that replaces every gui

[spark thistle]

Uh I don't want to do that. You can always delete or add assets by yourself

[stray bough]

eh as long as it doesn't ship with the pack you're free to do whatever of course

[spark thistle]

so like I canot put this in resource pack?

[stray bough]

I mean with the base GTNH modpack installation

I feel like

[spark thistle]

ah, no, that train is gone, I talked with admins

[stray bough]

Ah alright

It's nothing against you but I feel like if it does, many people will blindly enable it at the start of their run and a lot of these custom made uis kind of lose their identity a little which would be too bad

But yeah for your resourcepack this is totally fine I think

[spark thistle]

True that ye

[soft oak]

honestly? I think the blue is dark enough for dark mode people as it is its not really needed for nac

[spark thistle]

I'm gonna cite myself

hope you understand

[soft oak]

yeah

makes sense

[empty acorn]

Once this gets added Pollution rework can go back to being the AOI that will never get done

[stray bough]

i am the god of splitter debugging

apparently since the inception of nac 1.5 years ago it has been bugged to swap item meta and amount and no one noticed

[distant sandal]

instead of making the Matrix (M) fill first, it could be better to distribute power like M O M O M O M O.... O is another machine, M is the matrix.
as it you can use the NAC when ready.
it could also solve the scenario when your NAC powerfail, in that case you have to wait because you cant craft any circuits during charging time

because 20 minutes and still noting its too much

[stray bough]

NAC can never powerfail

But distributing like that is a lot more complex

Just nbtedit, it's probably going to take 20 * 1000 seconds

[distant sandal]

so:

• either put a huge laser ??? (can solve it in survival)
• you agree NAC has a huge charging time before use?

[stray bough]

No, we are fixing the buffer size since it's larger than it should be right now

I just pushed a commit that cuts it by 20x

It being that large is a bug

Placing a large laser doesn't affect charging time since it bases the buffer size on the size of your laser

It should be 1000s to charge the assembly matrix now

[woven sorrel]

already said they were fixing it

[distant sandal]

pin the message, i think you are in the future

[stray bough]

.

[delicate horizon]

I can take a look this weekend?

[fast steeple]

whats the more interesting thing?

[soft oak]

u found it

lamo

[fast steeple]

yeah but that's the point it's supposed to be hard to automate as a tradeoff for how strong it is, not just a reskinned CAL with dtpf mechanics

[soft oak]

its def not that dw

its not exactly trivial to automate

took penguin a good while today

[mental heart]

universal is possible but probably nuts to actually do in practice

[woven sorrel]

calibration is not dtpf convergence

[fast steeple]

but why do universal when it's actively worse than making multiple NACs since you lose the bonus

[soft oak]

you get your own buffs for it

[fast steeple]

oh?

[soft oak]

universal will have its own callibrated buff

[mental heart]

its a really cool flavor implementation but i think we also ended up going away from the idea of the gregos having a distinct personality

[woven sorrel]

i dont think this is true anymore

it doesnt really work

[fast steeple]

[karmic vigil]

universal buff (if were even keeping it right now) would be weaker than a specialized nac

but universal nac is therotically possible anyway

[fast steeple]

yet you can still chat to it...

[soft oak]

yeah it doesnt work yet

[woven sorrel]

no like

we scrapped it

because it doesnt make sense really

[soft oak]

[woven sorrel]

it would require you to do really weird shit

[mental heart]

it being needy is kinda what i mean

[karmic vigil]

also universal wouldnt work with the old system either

[fast steeple]

it's just a shame that it's gonna be yet another multi that you have to make like 8 of and it's a glorified "items in, product out" machine with no real challenge once set up

[karmic vigil]

how is the old implementation change this? am i missing something?

[fast steeple]

we love needy NAC, rest in peace

[mental heart]

the challenge is maximizing its potential rather than an automation challenge this time

[fast steeple]

maximizing potential by making 1 type of circuit in it?

or you mean setting up the modules?

[mental heart]

modules and color channels and calibration, etc

[karmic vigil]

can you explain what the original vision was and how it wouldnt be 'yet another multi ___'? im just wondering what divered between the old implementation adn the current one

[soft oak]

im curious as well

[karmic vigil]

i just want to make sure we still respect that to some degree. or i can clarify the exact mechanic that is now in place

[fast steeple]

the original vision was an automation challenge where you had to change what you made or it would get bored. idk if there was a super specific design in mind (I haven't read the doc in like a year) but it wouldnt be as easy as just "throw random recipes in from time to time to reset it's "boredom stat"

but there were ideas to teach it new techniques by making diff circuits and switching up what it made each time it did a batch based on what it wanted to do or something iirc

again have to ask sampsa or read doc bc this was ages ago

and we haven't touched gtnh in like 8 months

[karmic vigil]

i see. when we got it there was a speed up bonus for same recipe ran in the machine in a row. meaning that if you ran recipe A and then followed by recipe B, the machine would be slower then running just recipe A (or it wouldve, if the mechanic worked) which seems directly contrary to what youre saying

right, well hopefully it will still be cool

[fast steeple]

this was also an idea. the idea was a balancing act - doing the same recipe multiple times would speed it up/get more efficient, but the AI would get bored and eventually destructive if you kept doing the same recipe over and over

so the challenge was balancing utilising the efficiency bonus with also learning new stuff to get bonuses that way iirc

it wasn't really set in stone but the point was to make it not just a dtpf-lite

and also to make it universable bc it's supposed to be a 1 or 2 multi, not a multi for each line. gorge style y'know

it's really a flavour fail when you have this grandiose multi which is supposed to be the best and final version of something that literally self improves itself but then you still make like 10 of it

like imagine 10 gorges

[soft oak]

i dont think nac is a dtpf-lite, its very much seperate from the other big multis at least mechanically, DTPF is very much a passive multi, EOH is a material gen, Gorge is all about mass processesing, Nac is the on demand multi that requires you to learn and use its wiring system.

[woven sorrel]

its penguins project and he doesnt imagine it as a gorge equivalent

[cerulean fern]

Potential idle sound for NAC

[fast steeple]

look I'm just going off the original vision sampsa and I had

in the end it's not my multi and it's not us coding I'm just responding to questions about that vision

[soft oak]

[cerulean fern]

Im just happy to have anything to replace the damn AAL endgame

[fast steeple]

sounds sick but gives me "computer bleeps over existing fusion reactor" sound

[round kayak]

I can feel the unsettling probability of AI uprising

[fast steeple]

our aal and cal stacks are the worst part of our base pretty much every base we've made

[cerulean fern]

I cant think of anything mechanical within NAC that would have some sort of sound tbh

If you have any lore ideas to get me started on better sound design

[karmic vigil]

its good to know. but i will say the vision definetly got lost to the main different teams that picked up this project over time lol

[round kayak]

PCB printing is quite mechanically intensive

[woven sorrel]

yea i mean the project went on for years and came and went a dozen times, its got a totally different vision atp

[cerulean fern]

Ill probably make module SFX

[cerulean fern]

I should make the heartbeat louder lol

[fast steeple]

and that's fine, projects change and evolve, just a shame that nac won't really be a central or unique multi, same way antimatter ended up getting spammed rather than just minmaxing the shit out of 1 of each

[fast steeple]

[round kayak]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ltdJ1Sp_Pog

like this

[woven sorrel]

idt its quite equivalent to be honest. each individual nac is still likely a one-of if you assign it a circuit type, its not really the same level of endless spam. and each of the lines will be unique because they each use different modules with different mechanics and different routing

theres no reason youd see an array of like 50 nacs, maybe 4

[fast steeple]

if I had to listen to this all day while standing next to nac I'd kms

[woven sorrel]

and those 4 would all be different

[round kayak]

[karmic vigil]

i do think from playtesting myself its by far the most mechanical multi in the pack

[soft oak]

i also agree

[fast steeple]

that's good.

[cerulean fern]

With more heartbeat so you can contemplate the philisophical ramifications of trapping an AI in a box to make you millions of circuits

[soft oak]

it took a solid hour or so? for me to do it originally

[woven sorrel]

i think it is also at this point hitting the "automation challenge" mark much better than other multis have. most of our players dont like to set up redstone contraptions and solve spreadsheets, nac is much more organic and approachable as a logistics challenge. just my 2c

[soft oak]

this

one thing that stand out to me about nac today is how
i was talking topenguin in vc and he showed me his soltuion and i said something completely different but both would end up working for nac

[fast steeple]

that was also the original intent - bring back LV tier pipe routing logistics challenges which are completely absent post EV once you get AE2

so I'm glad to hear thats still a core part of the experience

[woven sorrel]

yea. this is i think the part that has been really honed and is very present in the current vision

[karmic vigil]

hopefully youll still enjoy it lol

theres a lot of intricacies to using it and what not

we worked really hard on it for the past 3 or so weeks

[soft oak]

yeah

i really really enjoy using it

[fast steeple]

disturbing, have a great day

[cerulean fern]

tbh hes probably having a blast

[fast steeple]

literally anything is better than CAL spam so I'm not upset at all

I'm keen to finally get to place it and set it up and decorate it

[woven sorrel]

personally i hope we can find away to softly encourage universal as an option. imo it should not be the optimal way to solve it, but it is a little sad for it to be actively worse. maybe we can think more about a way to integrate a universal calibration mode

[soft oak]

it is very pretty idk if uve seen the pr recently but penguin updated the pr with recent photos of the textures of the blocks and stuff

[woven sorrel]

i dont think it should be optimal because i think it will frustrate almost all players with extreme difficulty, and they will all resort to guides

[soft oak]

its a very very very pretty multiblock

[fast steeple]

very based, universal is fun

[fast steeple]

I don't go on GitHub, ever

[soft oak]

lmfao

[fast steeple]

I'm sure the texture work has enhanced it a lot

[soft oak]

yeah it has

[nova knoll]

[fast steeple]

yeah I love the white blocks with the blue glowy, adds that extra detail it needed

[nova knoll]

@mental heart goat detected

[fast steeple]

I think my only regret structurally at this point is some of the modules should've been way taller

[mental heart]

[nova knoll]

horje....

[fast steeple]

we made them quite small and simple but looking back they feel so tiny compared to the main tower

[soft oak]

I like that they all have different heights it makes it almost like this small city

[mental heart]

specifically the city from halflife

[fast steeple]

yeah that was the original inspiration for the main tower and then the modules but most of the modules ended up a bit too short for that to fully be realised

[mental heart]

gargantuan central monolith surrounded by the suburbs

[fast steeple]

I wonder if I still have the original image inspiration folder for the central structure at least

[fast steeple]

we got urban decay in gtnh before GTA 6

[mental heart]

the first time i saw it i think i said it reminded me of atlantis from the stargate show

[soft oak]

i thought it was supposed to be glados originally or like aperature science or a main like structure originally

[fast steeple]

that was the inspiration for the internal part with the controller lol

also gregos-glados

[soft oak]

yeah ofc lol

[fast steeple]

never seen Stargate I should watch it

it feels almost mandatory at this point

anyway I'll look for the images once I hop on pc

[cerulean fern]

flip it upside-down and its glados

[fast steeple]

i honestly cant find the images i used as inspiration, i might have just made it up while building with sampsa

[stray bough]

One thing I think will be really cool but we dont have yet is that NAC introduces the possibility of implementing nonvoidable items that you need to get rid of using some other process

Because CCs aren’t real they avoid the solution of “just throw it in a thrashcan”

[fast steeple]

pyanodons

[torpid lantern]

Greganadons

[fast steeple]

i love the idea that you can "fail" making higher tier chips so it just gives u lower tier ones like irl PCB fabs

[torpid lantern]

NAC makes NAC waste

Bunch of byproduct from the ai processor

[fast steeple]

gangue dust (NAC)

[torpid lantern]

Or somethinf

[torpid lantern]

There should be a chance to fail making a lower tier one so it makes an even lower tier one

[fast steeple]

damn my transcendent circuit failed and became a ulv vacuum tube

[stray bough]

[karmic vigil]

nac multis can now store BigInteger power internally (recipes are still capped to max_int eu/t)

[stray bough]

that's pretty nice

ill add this into the game tonight and see how it is

[cerulean fern]

Ill probably add some more to it

needs some high end

[stray bough]

Yeah feel free to :)

This would just be the main operating sound of the NAC right. NAC itself has no real recipes it's just always on

The modules themselves idk what to do with

I feel like we should avoid making a whole orchestra of sounds playing when you're around the NAC but idk

[cerulean fern]

Aspect and I were working on some Cosmic Frontiers magic stuff and they had the idea to make them harmonize

I think ill experiment with modules fitting over the main nac sound

[stray bough]

That would be cool

Not sure how to get it synced up though

[cerulean fern]

Just would need to be harmonically fitting together

[stray bough]

Ah so there's no need to sync the audio tracks?

[cerulean fern]

yep, its all looped

[stray bough]

(It might be possible to do, just kind of hard or weird)

Nice

[cerulean fern]

I could make different length loops for polyrhythms

[stray bough]

Well what I mean is that the loop starts won't necessarily align

Unless we code them to but that might result in weird things so idk if we can really do that just for audio

[cerulean fern]

to get serious do you have any thematic or lore ideas of what direction I can go into for sound design?

[stray bough]

I think what you have for the main controller is going in the right direction

The modules are much less "alive" however, but they are still controlled/looked over by the nac

[cerulean fern]

The modules will be lots of machine and assembly sounds

[stray bough]

Yeah I think that makes sense

[cerulean fern]

screwdrivers, welding, etc

Trying to think if there are some things I can do to further solidify the NAC having a unique sound design, delenos criticism of fusion + computer sounds was valid

[stray bough]

Should be on theme for the specific module ofc

[stray bough]

yeah fair

[cerulean fern]

Ill continue to think it over! good brainstorm

Liquid cooling

[wheat fox]

@spark thistle ,the shadow ui is super cool! about the color thing though, what if it kept the colors in a very muted and dulled way in the traces?

then it could still be dark mode, not hurting eyes from bright stuff, but also keep the small pretty bits :3

[night stag]

hell yeah

[stray bough]

there is that new ItemStack(...) call to merge stacks into one

It had metadata and amount swapped

[night stag]

this is 100% a mistake I'd make too

fair enough king

[spark thistle]

tbf I like this also this without color change of the tracers, maybe a little little color change, but I prefer the darker ones because they match the overall theme ; /

[cerulean fern]

Added some liquid cooling sfx, I think its close

[open mist]

sounds so similar to the best sound in the game - sound of fusions

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-patrick-bateman-gif-11003287025969974048

[cerulean fern]

its one of my favorite saw base presets

[cerulean fern]

I just had an epiphany, I was under the assumption that I had to go mono for sounds which makes things much harder

can anyone direct me to where the audio files for all gt machines are?

specifically endgame stuff like dtpf

[nova knoll]

assets/gregtech/sounds

[karmic vigil]

src/main/resources/assets/gregtech/sounds

whatever

[nova knoll]

that too

dni chrom

[karmic vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-cat-hitting-cat-cat-punching-cat-cat-slapping-cat-orange-cat-hitting-cat-gif-6585435513579432745

[cerulean fern]

Some multis are in fact stereo! Rejoice!

brb

https://tenor.com/view/stantwt-chained-up-chained-gif-67266779391248431

[karmic vigil]

nac is silly

[stray bough]

That seems fixed

Did you fixa the power bug

[karmic vigil]

yes

maya clutched up

[stray bough]

[open mist]

the long overflow one that was with gorge?

[stray bough]

nac power routing is very different

[karmic vigil]

it was long overflow but nac style

[wheat fox]

holy peak

nice job 9

[digital oxide]

peak

[stray bough]

Do note that this is an extra processing step in the nac and doesn't replace your regular engravers

[cursive widget]

So beamline is still required right

[stray bough]

nac doesnt skip any of the processing for circuit parts before

it just lets you do the assembling much much much faster

[open mist]

so we still need 10 baibillions of cutters?

[stray bough]

Yes

Just mm it

literally takes 30m

[open mist]

it's not a solution

like, it is a solution, but it is very bad gameplay-wise

[stray bough]

imo having a bunch of the dumb multis is not necessarily a huge problem

Like, having upgraded versions is nice and I think we can probably work on getting those in

But this takes a lot of time to do well and is not something we need to rush or maybe even prioritize

[open mist]

yeah, i'd love to make those but holy projects, i have like 3-4 things (only counting nh) i'm doing at the same time and i can't properly finish any of those

and one of them really wants material unification so it is a very long thing

[stray bough]

It's really not a huge priority I think

AAL/CAL is pretty egregious because of how much setup they require

But a bunch of multis that only need some cribs and power is kind of whatever honestly

[open mist]

yeah, but we have both of those in development

[stray bough]

The people whining about it every day have no idea how good they have it these days lol

[stray bough]

Yeah, it's fine

[open mist]

yeah

[cerulean fern]

I do think cutters are egregious

I had like 384 and they were still a bottleneck

I think chrom was helping implement an endgame lubricant tho so that might solve things

[stray bough]

Superfluid is added to cutter valid fluids

250% faster

[cursive widget]

but that cost too much

[stray bough]

It doesn't consume a lot and you already need a shit ton of superfluid for gate

If you think an upgraded cutter multi would be cheaper to run you're dead wrong

[cursive widget]

50L per recipe

[stray bough]

Depends on the recipe

50L is not much, you make a lot of superfluid fairly quickly already

[open mist]

it costs nothing

[open mist]

but does it replace water of different grades?

[night stag]

water is free, just throw more parallels and more power

[cerulean fern]

maxint:

[woven sorrel]

where is graded water used in cutter map

[stray bough]

It’s not

[open mist]

hm

i remember there a separate method for registering recipes with graded waters

[brisk pebble]

boule cutting has water, but thats hardly gonna be a bottleneck

[open mist]

in my run i had 1024 uxv cutters for something

but idr what

[karmic vigil]

Thought I capped it to 10L

[normal walrus]

very heartbeaty, gives system shock vibes :D
oh dang v2 is even cooler

[torpid lantern]

Bass so heavy my headphones were shaking 10/10

[maiden nebula]

@stray bough this recipe gives me TOC since all recipes use 8 items and this use only 7, what about adding a fine wire of some short?

overall, I´m excited to use NAC hahaha

[stray bough]

that seems to be a bug, its supposed to have 8

[maiden nebula]

Ah @rocky wraith forgot to remove this on the coremod pr

[rocky wraith]

well i just havent changed it yet since these recipes were temporarily in 5u

[distant sandal]

nac is blue dabedi dabedei

i know i have to rebuild them

[stray bough]

yeh we shifted ids to not conflict with LHC

[open mist]

:erm:

[stray bough]

its fixed

[open mist]

nah I'm not about that

seems a bit off to use controllers of lasers and cutters in a recipe

[woven sorrel]

seems pretty normal to me

[stray bough]

its a processing module

[open mist]

maybe replace laser with like emitter or smth

[stray bough]

plenty of multis use controllers too

[woven sorrel]

a lot of lategame machines use controllers in recipes

[open mist]

[woven sorrel]

its extremely common

[rocky wraith]

every module follows a pattern

[stray bough]

the modules take controllers of the multis they represent

[maiden nebula]

EOH using controllers of a lot of machines in the recipe xd

[open mist]

like it wasn't obvious

[rocky wraith]

casing, 4 uev circuits, 16 vacuum pipes, a uev component that fits the module, 2 relevant multiblock controllers, 2 relevant items
fluids of mutated solder and the material used in the framebox of the structure

[stray bough]

is this obvious

[rocky wraith]

the only different one is assembly matrix which is just a similar format but with more inputs since its a bit more important

[open mist]

well sure if you have some structure in recipes

[stray bough]

the recipe has a visual representation to distinguish itself

we do

[open mist]

i was just suggesting

[rocky wraith]

they all follow a pattern

[open mist]

(you already said it)

[nova knoll]

there's simply not enough items in late game to make them any more distinct

[woven sorrel]

theres a format to the recipes that they all follow

[karmic vigil]

and its all formatted

in an order. of certain things. like a pattern or something

[woven sorrel]

the recipes are following a kind of ordering yea.

[open mist]

why no one told me that before

[stray bough]

the recipes have a shared organisational scheme

[open mist]

so much information holy

[karmic vigil]

https://giphy.com/gifs/k0506dxi-vegeta-meme-liabirary-lRswMx5mGzLEPc2asp

[stray bough]

happy to provide help

[open mist]

give me time to process it

[mental heart]

say that again...

[nova knoll]

that again

[night stag]

Godspeed soldiers, congratz on the (soon) release

[mental heart]

now ate csperimentals?

[fast steeple]

if I see someone build a sideways or upside down NAC in an actual world I will personally go and grief it

[stray bough]

real

[fast steeple]

how did the module that had the fluid in it end up looking?

did we make a new fluid or render a fake fluid or just remove it entirely?

also the one with the coils/Tesla coils, did they stay or did we make new coil blocks for tiering? since that was the initial purpose of those

[karmic vigil]

removed

[karmic vigil]

don’t remember seeing this one

[fast steeple]

the fluid removed or the module?

[fast steeple]

maybe that was a prototype we abandoned but i dont think so?

it was quite tall

[karmic vigil]

yeah. The tanks are empty now

[fast steeple]

boooooo

[karmic vigil]

we could do a render but there’s a few issues with stuff like that

(Fluid, not render)

[fast steeple]

i see

[granite root]

Actually coming NAC feels little awkward

Is this dream or something

[fast steeple]

nocturnally active cryptovisions

[somber pebble]

does NAC or 2.9 aim exotic circuit?

[soft oak]

new arrival confirmed, the NAC is now at coordinates 1,1,1 and Now available on Channel 9

[granite root]

New Air Craft

[distant sandal]

Upside down nac is a real meta

[granite root]

Wall sharing NAC

By placing upside down

Kinda nice

[stray bough]

NAC enables exotics but they're not being worked on yet

[fast steeple]

enough

[granite root]

[fast steeple]

please make one (1) nac in the normal orientation as a centrepiece of your base

no wallsharing, no rotating, no spamming, no funny business

nac is a serious multi, no joking allowed

No Allowed Comedy

[granite root]

Add gimmick - if place 2 nac controller, It nukes overworld

No Additional Controller

[torpid lantern]

NFB - no funny business

[stray bough]

lmao real

[fast steeple]

[cerulean fern]

By the way, whenever anyone gets the chance, the NAC V4 wav is good, I can convert to .ogg if needed!

[stray bough]

Ive already put it in the game

[delicate horizon]

daaaang

good morning

[stray bough]

gm

[somber summit]

exotics when /j

[nova knoll]

never

[open mist]

Never Adding Circuits

[nova knoll]

post the results

no more stalling

[open mist]

I'll do that tomorrow when I'll be at home

(in about 14 hours)

[nova knoll]

[open mist]

[maiden nebula]

we need taranium for exotics

[somber summit]

taranium when

[fringe spade]

what are exotics

[woven sorrel]

the upcoming tier of circuit above the current highest circuit line (opticals)

[daring crypt]

Another tier before gate?

[granite root]

MAX

[karmic vigil]

theres a couple of those

theyre all in game, just some are unimplemented

[steel vector]

There are 2 unimplemented circuit tiers before gate

This is supposedly one of them

[stray bough]

3

[daring crypt]

[woven sorrel]

they are already ingame without recipes and have been for years. exotics, cosmics, and temporally transcendent

[daring crypt]

Im in hv this is beyond me

[granite root]

Finally we can make them? Lol

[main nymph]

@stray bough is this some mistake？

[rocky wraith]

top is supposed to be bio, we fixed it already, just a typo

[main nymph]

why it can‘t working？

i broke it and put down again，it can working

[main nymph]

why？

[karmic vigil]

I’m not sure what color it specifically asks for. Maybe penguin knows but I think it should be said somewhere in a tooltip or the info box. If not it should be added

[stray bough]

It does tell you but it’s Chinese here so I can’t help with that

[karmic vigil]

just about that edge case where it decides what color the output should be

very interesting it does break in fullpack

im not sure if anythings wrong with the hatch adder, but i dont think so....

maybe the version of nac thats in is dated

[cursive widget]

yellow

anyway we have managed to solve the problem

directing all outputs to a splitter

[karmic vigil]

nice

has the challenge been fun? i know its a lot

[cursive widget]

connecting pipes is hell-like work

but it runs soooooooooo fast

[karmic vigil]

yeah

[nova knoll]

simply remember what you did in lv

:)

[stray bough]

it is quite fast

[cursive widget]

we made 1 million optical mainframe within 3 minutes

[karmic vigil]

what power?

[cursive widget]

i used 1677uxv debug energy hatch so i cannot tell exactly

[karmic vigil]

ah yes lol

it does have infinite parallel

[fringe spade]

time to nerf

[cursive widget]

maybe about 30000 max

[fringe spade]

we should do a 4 parallel max

[cursive widget]

nearly one uxv ssass

[cursive widget]

300000

[fringe spade]

if you promise GREGOS a snack, he gives you 5 instead

[nova knoll]

he?

[fringe spade]

idk

[open mist]

isn't no hatch being added to the projection

[open mist]

misgendering a piece of code 🥀

[nova knoll]

gregos has no gender, as it is a computer

[open mist]

but it has voice of a man

teeeechnically

[nova knoll]

thats not how that works

[open mist]

who cares 🥀

[fringe spade]

I just said he since it's the default pronoun

I don't really care

[open mist]

yeah same lol

[karmic vigil]

i think i fixed this. unless blockrenderer has an old version im not sure

[stray bough]

it doesnt even have a voice yet

[open mist]

bwah

[main nymph]

it seem can't input in different hatch? But i success do Optical processor once

[stray bough]

It can't output into a different hatch than the one it asks for no. If your recipe inputs are in a yellow hatch, the output must go in a yellow output

[main nymph]

ummmm.... the hatch isolation only support same color?

[stray bough]

Hatch isolation does not apply to NAC

Recipes can take items from different colored hatches, and will place their outputs in the color of the hatch that the first item was found in

If that color output isn't there you will see the "no output space" error

[main nymph]

this?

[stray bough]

Correct

[open mist]

I'm def gonna need a lot of time to understand nac

[main nymph]

thanks,i will try it again

👍

[stray bough]

it is quite complex

[open mist]

and quite nanochip assembly

[main nymph]

it working!

[open mist]

what item is that

optical?

[main nymph]

yes

[open mist]

HOLY FUCK

400 opticals per tick???

[granite root]

wow

[stray bough]

Yeah nac is uh

FAST

[open mist]

FAST I'd say

[stray bough]

We weren’t kidding when we said one nac will be fast enough for anything, the only limit is your setup

It’s more feasible to do one nac per circuit line instead

[open mist]

yeah i expected it to be like 64 opticals per second, but 400 PER TICK

damn

[stray bough]

Well this is with a lot of power I assume

32k parallel, I think these are a uiv or UMV recipe so

Overclocked a few times

The goal is that we can make gate take like 100x more circuits eventually without this being an issue

[main nymph]

32768 uivOptical in 50s

[main nymph]

the power is this

[stray bough]

Yeah that makes sense

1mA max was our benchmark as well

[granite root]

NAC in daily or exp build?

[main nymph]

yeah,it has in exp75

[granite root]

oh

[spark thistle]

Quick quirk, how about not automatically going into text mode when opening the gui for NAC?

[stray bough]

It never did that when I tested

Maybe it saved the last mode you were in?

[spark thistle]

nope, its always opening with ability to type

[stray bough]

There is always a text bar, but that's not talk mode

[distant sandal]

change to button?

[stray bough]

I don't really see the issue with having the text bar yet tbh

[spark thistle]

nono I mean if you open the main NAC gui, the text box is automatically gettic focused

so you need to double ESC to exit

I was thinking if chaning that is doable/worth?

[stray bough]

Oh, probably

[spark thistle]

so its not auto-focused at opening the gui

[stray bough]

I'd have to ask the UI people

@soft oak @dawn lance

[rocky wraith]

im pretty sure the textbox was intentionally focused on ui open

i cant remember for sure though

[karmic vigil]

yes it’s intentional but it’s a quick fix

[dawn lance]

yep that's how i made it

it would be very easy to fix

[soft oak]

i can fix it if it needs a fix

[worn flint]

it's probably better if it's like AE2, an option to auto focus or not

[karmic vigil]

already pushed

[soft oak]

gg

[karmic vigil]

i fixed it

will be good next release

[main nymph]

@stray bough will Superconductivity module and cutting module add some small automations like FBID module？

[stray bough]

Nope

[main nymph]

They look a bit monotonous. ...

[stray bough]

The basic modules aren’t really supposed to be any more complex

Since the routing is already enough effort

[main nymph]

and here have a recipe bug

this thing no recipe

[stray bough]

oops

[nova spruce]

Does NAC Supports TecTech Multi-Amp and Laser Hatches I can't tell from the description??? I'm assuming no (Experimental 75)

[stray bough]

It does, you should be able to see this on the structure preview

[nova spruce]

I meant this should be specified in the description because it always is specified

[stray bough]

Sure, probably

[stray bough]

NAC changelog for next experimental:

• Fixed missing recipe for cut superconductor UMV bolt PC
• Fixed typos and mistakes in info panel
• Clarify some confusion about connections being 1:1
• More info on the second calibration progress bar
• Prevent uncolored vacuum pipes from connecting, same way data pipes work
• Add outline to splitter rule color selection when selected
• Fix structure display
• NAC controller scan is now optical processor instead of optical mainframe
• Adjust bio and wetware catalyst cost of bio module to be much less expensive

[alpine fulcrum]

Yooooo

This is what its all about!

Now make uranium edible (and instantly kill u)

[stray bough]

holy old nac

Actually none of that screenshot is still in 😭

We removed that line

And the mood bar/tabs are gone

[alpine fulcrum]

Nooooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

[open mist]

i remember stealing mui2 code from it

when i was working on ECCF only nac and redstone sniffer had mui2 code

[spark thistle]

about eccf is is still under development, or how is it looking?

[open mist]

nah i stopped it for now

[spark thistle]

[open mist]

no progress for 5 months + bad code + i don't like the concept at all, needs rebalancing

[spark thistle]

understand

[open mist]

even so, the textures changed lated to be frame separately and overlays separately, so you'd need to redo them anyways

[spark thistle]

Ye, these are pretty old, from the times I had fun in experimentals or something

[open mist]

yeah the epic multi for converting stone dust into stone dust is gone

so over

[spark thistle]

[open mist]

but well eccf was a good base for understanding java

and here am i now

[stray bough]

inshallah it is merged