Introducing the NAC

[rain geode]

goddamn...

[fast steeple]

hey the structure is done

[stray bough]

tur

actually

thats not tur

all the module structures

[royal canyon]

So fr this thing just straight up isn’t coming out then?

[torpid lantern]

#1303328348663058484 message

[rain geode]

sooo, the solution is clear, we need to start a GoFundMe to inspire Penguin or whoever it is working on this, to get it done and ready for 2.9 :3

through the power of monetary gain and crowdfunding, CAL Spam shall be no more

[stray bough]

It will

[stray bough]

If you can pay my salary I can quit my job to work on NAC (no)

[marble scarab]

What's your daily?

If my game does well I might be able to afford it

[night stag]

Those are done too

I had so much fucking pain with NH's material system to get the bs materials @mortal prism used like hypogen frame boxes and stuff

[mental heart]

so what is left? textures and recipes and machine logic?

[marble scarab]

Everything

Like

Recipes

Ballance

Intermediarys

The framework is there it's just the content part

The most tedious part

[mental heart]

ough

[night stag]

Penguin has a lot of ideas for mechanics that needs to be worked out and implemented

[marble scarab]

Which means the framework is probably not ready either

[mental heart]

are the recipes not just the existing COAL recipes?

[night stag]

I assume you mean cal ye

[marble scarab]

Because as soon as you start doing content you need to fix things or add things

[night stag]

I think the idea is that each module has a logistical challenge

like the etcher taking beamline particles

[marble scarab]

Think 5 beam lines in a trenchcoat

[mental heart]

@stray bough you need to convince your boss that NAC is relevant to your job so you can work on this on the clock fr

[royal canyon]

One day when I strike it rich I will start a slush fund so all the devs can go full time trust

Something I’m sure everyone who devs would love over their irl careers lmao /s

[stray bough]

It’s not daily I just get a monthly salary + benefits

[marble scarab]

Lol

The benefit is having the NAC

[nova knoll]

nac will be real in 3

[stray bough]

If only NAC could pay for my food and rent

[mortal prism]

Add it to the list of mechanics

[stray bough]

mines crypto on player machine and sends it to me

sounds good

[fast steeple]

sampsa and I did those too

[fast steeple]

inb4 tinkers construct dev finds out and blacklists gt from working with tc again

[stray bough]

[alpine fulcrum]

What

[stray bough]

the lore

[nova knoll]

the lore

[open mist]

the nether

[torpid lantern]

the greglore

[normal walrus]

Ironically, with fortunable raw ores we now have the most real-gameplay use case for "fortune autosmelt" i can think of. it's all come full circle
not that i would waste half of my resources like that. i'll macerate the fortuned ores too

anyways heres a joke-explainer link for the curious i guess
https://ftb.fandom.com/wiki/Conflicts_between_mDiyo_and_GregoriusT

1.4.7... eons ago.

fighting over the half-yield on logs, among other things

[alpine fulcrum]

holy crap that is some sick lore 🍿

[solid barn]

make logs yield a quarter instead

https://tenor.com/bYKSB.gif

[digital oxide]

lmao

that was peak code

[night stag]

I found it

        // Octiron frame
        .addElement(
            'A',
            lazy(
                t -> ofBlock(
                    Block.getBlockFromItem(
                        MaterialsAlloy.OCTIRON.getFrameBox(1)
                            .getItem()),
                    MaterialsAlloy.OCTIRON.getFrameBox(1)
                        .getItemDamage())))

[digital oxide]

yup

so peak

[marble scarab]

Thats so fucking petty omg

I love it

[night stag]

There's this ITEM that doesn't have a way to get its BLOCK but by the POWER OF CHRIST I will MAKE IT A BLOCK >:(

[raven coyote]

we need an encapsulated method to get the block framebox

[night stag]

Yeah this isn't a good long term solution ofc, but maybe material rework / unification would fix this

we have 5 diff material libs and each of them has different sets of capabilities

[raven coyote]

ahhhhhhhhh

[mortal prism]

Material rework has been in the works for 5 years now, so expect it in 2046

[night stag]

only 21 more years

Material rework is the real Never Actually Coming

[stray bough]

NAC doubters are in for a real surprise ….

[stray bough]

[royal canyon]

The surprise is NAC has been confirmed for 2.10 dev cycle

[empty acorn]

Pollution rework

[rain geode]

Infinity Rework/Taranium Line

[karmic vigil]

NAC stands for noc and chrom ❤️

[mental heart]

Now Actually Coming! yay!

[stray bough]

discrediting all my work

[soft oak]

nac stands for
Not a cpenguin

[stray bough]

[versed holly]

hey, infline is 80% coded already

[versed holly]

no wtf i didnt do nothing on nac

[rain geode]

ur there for moral support :3

[mental heart]

NAC is just a typo of noc

[versed holly]

i got a dm once asking if i was doing nac

cuz my name is noc

[rain geode]

lmfaoooo

[mental heart]

do people tell you noc noc jokes a lot

[versed holly]

i wish they did

[mental heart]

i wish they did too

[karmic vigil]

I can’t spin this to be penguin themed it’s ice

[karmic vigil]

erm

[stray bough]

[karmic vigil]

I’ll probably take a look at splitter rules today btw

need to finish this gorge panel but that’s about it

[digital oxide]

I'm reverting my bug fixes

[karmic vigil]

ur name is too hard to fit into this

[soft oak]

nec

noc epic chrom

[karmic vigil]

the n in noc stands for notapenguin

there ❤️

[stray bough]

[marble scarab]

I never doubted

Give me jar

Actually I'm away for 3 days nvm

[karmic vigil]

its currently not usable but soon tm

splitter rules system is broken

[stray bough]

soon tm

[soft oak]

soon tm

[alpine fulcrum]

Will nac fix my hairline

[soft oak]

no sorry widows peaks are in rn u will be ok

[mental heart]

soon tm

[nova knoll]

soon tm

7 billion nac textures to do

[granite root]

Nac before gta6

[spiral tusk]

luck upupup!

[stray bough]

@soft oak plz squash when merging into nac branch

ill fix this up later

[mortal prism]

random question
At work we do
git push --force-with-lease with appends

How bad would that be here

[stray bough]

probably fine i think

force-with-lease is pretty safe

[soft oak]

Yea my mistake i was just trying tk get it to work Lol

can always clean it up after;/

[stray bough]

[torpid lantern]

We're gonna have to rename it to the MAC now
Maybe
Actually
Coming

[stray bough]

"maybe"

the maybe sayers have not seen the github activity

[rain geode]

sneak it into 8.2 :3

[soft oak]

if. Chrom doesn’t get to it ill get splitter working again

[stray bough]

[nova knoll]

the 7 trillion textures are creeping up to me oh my

[mental heart]

you have to foundry it first

i still need to ship
out a bunch of textures whoops

[nova knoll]

Foundry is on hold until chrom is not busy

Foundry is nac

[mental heart]

nacking it

[rocky wraith]

cloud and i have been working on foundry balance recently, its getting there

[nova knoll]

don't say that

goat

i still need to remake the modules

[open mist]

never actually coded

[nova knoll]

ture

[karmic vigil]

yes this might be delayed a few days some would say

[soft oak]

i have the power

and uhhh

u dont

review my pr

[karmic vigil]

I swear I did last night I must have forgot. whatabber

[nova knoll]

@karmic vigil review my prs

[stray bough]

nac prs?

[mental heart]

write my IItemRenderer

[nova knoll]

twas a find my pages

I haven't made a pr for gtnh

...yet

[stray bough]

ah

[mental heart]

i have made two

one of which was just putting in textures lmao

[nova knoll]

that will be my only prs ever

adding textures

[steel vector]

This is funny

[stray bough]

@versed holly can those be deleted

or do we still need that

[versed holly]

rebase yes

backup i'd say no

[stray bough]

i mean if current nac branch is working its fine right

[soft oak]

we should have a backup branch tho xd

[stray bough]

What

Wait that sounded meaner than I intended

But we don't really

Just don't force-push to the nac branch

You don't make backup branches for main either

[soft oak]

wait

why did we have a backup branch

[ruby whale]

"Backups? We have backups at home."
Backups at home: git reset --hard HEAD~1

[steel vector]

Please leave the aaaaaaaa-reebase-hell

[nimble crane]

how close to this being in a nightly are we at rn btw?

contemplating updating my server to test this in a lategame environment but its only on its own branch so cant really do that

[karmic vigil]

its not really functional right now. lot of ui updates need to happen since theres been a lot of upstream mui2 changes

[stray bough]

Weeks to months of active work

[nova knoll]

how many textures do you still need 👀 👀

[karmic vigil]

ill probably run through it with you two but im unsure myself

we do need casings and the such

structure is done tho

[stray bough]

Also the vacuum pipes and hatches need their own art

can't just have copied over data pipes that's kinda silly

[karmic vigil]

for sure

and overlays would be nice

for the mte's themselves

[nova knoll]

easy easy easy

psssh cmon where's the 7 billion component textures

[nova knoll]

cough cough computation hatches

can't tell them apart

[mortal prism]

The sensible approach is using an overaly over existing components, just like the wrapped parts do

[night stag]

rn I just slapped a "nc" and "cc" on every item but y'all should have custom textures for them when it's sure that that's happening and which one we want I guess

[night stag]

Depends on the route you wanna take, if you wanna go the whole "sci-fi like, a processed part in the NAC is a whole new thing" route vs just "processed [old thing]"

[nova knoll]

nac more like nearing absolute completion (not yet)

[rain geode]

NAC stands for Not Actually Complete

[torpid lantern]

NAC stands for Nmaybe Actually Coming (soon)

[raven coyote]

sooooooooooooooooooooon

[nova knoll]

soon

it's never coming until I do the art for it

[raven coyote]

use alk texture

[nova knoll]

[stray bough]

veto

[fast steeple]

just do source engine dev textures

[alpine fulcrum]

idc if its dreammaster's face distorted to look vaguely like a machine i want the NAC

[nova knoll]

then youll love the debug input bus/hatch

[versed holly]

So many

An absurd amount of textures

When do u wanna work on it

I can make a list of needed stuff

[nova knoll]

I have one final texture for foundry, the universe collapser

but after that foundry is done

and i guess the logo

[mental heart]

list please

[nova knoll]

@karmic vigil but I don't wanna do that

June can make the logo

[karmic vigil]

what

oh logo and one panel

[soft oak]

the devourer of gods is coming for u

whatabber

[karmic vigil]

i/o hatch overlays, pipes, white casing, black casing, machine overlays

probably a UI Theme

probably something i forgot

[mental heart]

that feels like... not a lot?

[nova knoll]

gulp

1 billion item textures

[karmic vigil]

theres like 10 machines that need overlays but anyway

im probably missing something

[nova knoll]

list :)

regardless its easier to make textures when you have a working build of the multi

and well, gulp

[versed holly]

well

we have it working 90%

there is one broken module (splitter)

[nova knoll]

ah

[versed holly]

gonna work on it this weekend (had an exam final today am kinda tired)

[nova knoll]

well if all the items and blocks are in the build that helps

[nova knoll]

[marble scarab]

"please download counter strike source to view the NAC"

[fast steeple]

gmod moment

[mental heart]

wait sorry i’m coming back to this what does the NAC need voice acting for

[karmic vigil]

its supposed to talk to you when you pass by it

like a random chance to give a voice line every now and then

[mental heart]

i see

i think we should use a vocaloid software

[ruby whale]

The voice acting work sounds fun and I'd like to help if nobody else is tackling it. I have a good, standalone microphone and years of voice lessons. I also have vocaloid if that's the route you want to go with it.

[torpid lantern]

HATSUNE MIKU NAC

or teto i aint picky

[mental heart]

i can do an impression of almost any family guy character

[torpid lantern]

Hhhey Lois im making the circuits

[nova knoll]

nactsune miku

[lime falcon]

Yes miku ..

[versed holly]

Native english speaker?

We can talk for sure

[versed holly]

The NAC is run by an Artificial Intelligence named GrEgOS

It is the entity responsible for optimizing the crafts inside the NAC, and has both mood swings and also learning curve

And we want it to be able to communicate with it's creator (you), whenever you are fidgeting with nac, pass by, or achieve milestones on it, it will talk to u

Like whenever u craft your first circuit of some kind, it will say something, and after a million, 100 million and so on

[stray bough]

We definitely want a native English speaker for this but if you are and you’re up for it that would be great

[mental heart]

whoa

[marble scarab]

i'd do it if my voice wasnt fucked from years of undiagnosed acid reflux

[stray bough]

[marble scarab]

its cool i sound husky now 😎

[versed holly]

Can we make gregos scottish

[marble scarab]

aye

[stray bough]

we can sell nac language packs as dlcs

and nac skins

[marble scarab]

lol

[versed holly]

Waow

[ruby whale]

Yeah I'm a native English speaker

[stray bough]

awesome

ill let you know when we have some lines to try out

[ruby whale]

Sweet, looking forward to it!

[nova knoll]

you'll be the voice of greg

can we get a funny where if you put an angel ring in the NAC it will overlay angelic sounds over all the voice lines

[mental heart]

can we get an even funnier where if you input helium into the NAC it pitches up all the voice lines lol

[nova knoll]

that would also be an even funnier

is sulfur hexafluoride in the game

if it isn't, add it so it makes the voice deeper

as a funny

[cerulean fern]

If you need voice acting, I am happy to whip something up

might need a script

I can also put together some filters to make the voice robotic

[rich totem]

it should be german accent english speaker imo

[rich totem]

or that

[maiden nebula]

We need Dream voice in NAC xd

[nova knoll]

its only fitting

[torpid lantern]

Microsoft SAM

Still i think Gregku would be funny

[fast steeple]

nah fuck all that give me the voice acting and I'll make it the most bogan broad Aussie voice I can do

"yeah fark cunt these circuits are pretty farking complicated" "oi cunt gimme something to work on, I'm not here to fuck spiders"

[cerulean fern]

Naccy the nacsquash

[royal canyon]

That’s actually just how we sound in Queensland

[normal walrus]

add beetroot plus promethium for the parallels

[torpid lantern]

Saxton Hale as the NAC

[fast steeple]

tf2 mentioned ‼️

[soft oak]

normal assembly controller

[mental heart]

nac is secretly PA in disguise

[stray bough]

don’t tell them

This is how we get PA back

[steel vector]

Super secret nac mode you unlock in uxv

[stray bough]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[delicate horizon]

I forget was the va a meme or do we still need va

[torpid lantern]

Get teto to do it trust

Or YiXi

[delicate horizon]

The reason why i was asking is bc i'd also volunteer

[mortal prism]

NAC but you can choose its voice
Oh look the pack just grew by 2GB, all voice lines!

[nova knoll]

I still think dream should voice it

[neon cape]

i vote miku

[torpid lantern]

MIIIIKUUUUU

[stray bough]

its not a meme

[delicate horizon]

o7

[ruby whale]

What are you looking for? I'm down to give it a shot.

Misread your message sorry haha

[delicate horizon]

We'll be at 4 gigs any day now

[delicate horizon]

A tts at this point

[nova knoll]

voice will be human made

no robots allowed grrr

[delicate horizon]

Based thought....

Make a tts from someone

[mental heart]

make me an utauloid

[delicate horizon]

The june vocaloid collective

[mental heart]

save us jaime page

[torpid lantern]

Paime Jags

[elfin verge]

Glados GregOS would go hard though

[normal walrus]

^sentences that make you imagine the Combine travelling via stargates after hitting GTNH worlds
(middle ground between their normal interdimensional transport and the portal gun tech they were after)

[rain geode]

https://tenor.com/view/portal-portal2-portal-2-gif-10183483323306153008

[steel vector]

How long do you reckon will it take for nac to get horny voice lines after release

[torpid lantern]

0 seconds

We should INCLUDE freaky voicelines

[nimble crane]

how far along is this?

contemplating updating my server and would be down to do some testing shenanigans

[woven sorrel]

not enough to test afaik

[nimble crane]

alright

i did run this version for a bit like 4 months ago but doesnt sound like viable to actually put onto a running base then

any other funny betas i could update to?

[night stag]

yeah we had a test with basic functionality a while ago but that wasn't anywhere near game ready, just testing the basic concept

[nimble crane]

ik, i played it :)

[alpine fulcrum]

make the NAC use microsoft sam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boh92DrYEWs

[empty acorn]

But will NAC be able to run on templeOS

[steel vector]

So uh
Is it in plans for 2.9?

[night stag]

NAC will probably be out before 2.18

[rocky wraith]

yes

[delicate horizon]

Will work on the textures more after i get UIEs texture pass complete and look more at CropsNH. They're both nearing the end of the texture pass afaik

[stray bough]

[delicate horizon]

Do we have recipes in place for these newer blocks?

[stray bough]

thats one of the last things to do really

[soft oak]

ill probably work on nac alot more soon as well

been kinda sick

[open mist]

the nac needs to be sick not you

[fast steeple]

wtf ur back

[karmic vigil]

progress on the GReGOS integration

[nova knoll]

nearly almost completed

[open mist]

not styled bar detected

[karmic vigil]

the ui needs theming for everything, yeah

[open mist]

but gosh i love this bg

[karmic vigil]

thats exofoundry's...

itll be changed at some point

[open mist]

i know but it's so cool

[karmic vigil]

it is really good. june cooked

[nova knoll]

this

[marble scarab]

So I guess we can't say that nac is dead anymore even as a joke

[karmic vigil]

well, if you type 'nac' or 'what is nac' in the ui enough it COULD tell you something along those lines

or this lol

[marble scarab]

Lol

"not actually cooked"

Oh is my AM speech making it in?

[karmic vigil]

i should add that to the copypasta

i thought about it earlier

[marble scarab]

[karmic vigil]

ill add it to copypasta for now, i think this could be added for when 'mood' is 0 or something lol

[marble scarab]

Hell yeah

[marble scarab]

[open mist]

should be "Not Alkalus Coded" no?

[karmic vigil]

everytime you ask it the question it generates a new phrase out of three random words it picks from a list

'Not' is also in the list. so is 'Now' 'NAC' 'NotAPenguin' etc etc

[open mist]

oh ok

[karmic vigil]

it makes some silly combos

[open mist]

so it's a list for N a list for A and for C

[karmic vigil]

yes

[open mist]

interesting

[karmic vigil]

as an example

[stray bough]

Nac: NotAPenguin Actually Cooked

[lime falcon]

Not A CAL

[open mist]

not ACAL

[round kayak]

Alastor 💀

[granite root]

Nothing actually comming

[normal walrus]

congrats lategamers, i hear you have suffered much waiting for this

thanks devs i will get to open this present in a mere 3 years of leisurely nights of ae-tending :)

[torpid lantern]

We gotta put amongus in there

[nova knoll]

[torpid lantern]

Also please make questions and responses be configurable through a config file and you will get every ounce of my praise

[olive quarry]

You may want to avoid having swear words in the copypasta as some people play this with their kids, or even worse, on YouTube.

[woven sorrel]

yea swears should be removed, nh has done so in the past (from quests for instance)

[digital oxide]

oh you added to it

nice

[karmic vigil]

a ton yeah

maya has grandoise plans for the terminal

[digital oxide]

copypasta is also a more secret text so swears can be removed if need be but I like it, if anything just put * * * * * *

[karmic vigil]

have you seen metadev

its on fire from this

its all obfuscated now

[digital oxide]

boringo

[karmic vigil]

it makes sense why

apparently we ripped out all the swear words from the questbook / thaumonomicon some time ago

[digital oxide]

it still makes it feel less funny but yeah I can't argue with it lmao

[cerulean fern]

Do yall need any builds/sound effects for nac?

[nova knoll]

nac cc textures

[soft oak]

i would ask @stray bough

[floral jolt]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/BloodMagic/pull/78

[stray bough]

I imagine we will need SFX for the modules and the NAC running eventually yea

[cerulean fern]

would you be able to provide a bullet list of modules that need sound and a quick sentence on what they do?

I can give it a whirl

[stray bough]

we'll think about it a bit because maybe if all of them are making noise it gets chaotic

need to consider if it's not better for just the main controller to make a global sound

[olive island]

Maybe the main controller makes the sound but it gets influenced from the modules. So different modules lead to different sounds

[nova knoll]

nac should sound like portal

[karmic vigil]

NAC dev team had an argument for 4 hours today about routing power to the modules

we are so back

[nova knoll]

nac eventually trust

[torpid lantern]

Mac (maybe actually coming)

[cerulean fern]

the test results came in... you are a horrible gregger... we werent even testing for that

[round kayak]

Proof of free will right there ☝️

[karmic vigil]

todays horrible day of nac development

[wheat fox]

hi guys :3

how is nac going

[stray bough]

good

[wheat fox]

yippiee

[stray bough]

We have a solution for power distribution which was one of the main issues remaining

[rocky wraith]

its now implemented too, chrom and i worked on that for a few hours last night

[open mist]

where is the checklist for stuff?

can i get a link

[rocky wraith]

https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/nac-issue-tracker

theres also a project board for it if you click on the projects tab which organizes it a little more

it looks like a lot but we are getting through it pretty quickly

[open mist]

there are such todo lists in git???
always used 3rd party stuff for that

[rocky wraith]

yeah it has project boards and stuff, it doesnt beat many third party solutions in terms of features but its more than enough for what we need for nac

[soft oak]

good, lots if important progress

[delicate horizon]

Do u need to be signed in?

[rocky wraith]

to see the project you have to be a member of the org

not sure if that can be changed but i dont have the ability to change it myself anyway

[delicate horizon]

how do u join the org?

[woven sorrel]

be invited by project admins

[delicate horizon]

o7

[mental heart]

progress update: gui textures for NAC are done btw

[granite root]

Cool

[karmic vigil]

do you need me to put them in game?

[mental heart]

i think i can get them myself i just need to know where the files are

[delicate horizon]

Ohhhh

Can i see?

[mental heart]

ya

hope this wasn’t what you were already working on lol

[karmic vigil]

It’s all in the gui folder of resources. They should all contain nanochip in the name

[delicate horizon]

No i have no idea how to make these from scratch, like pixel sizes and allat

I wish i did, but this is awesome!!!!

You make banger gui's

[mental heart]

i just have a template i copy them from lol

[delicate horizon]

Holy shit

Fr?

Do you mind sending it my way? Or like givin me the proportions?

[delicate horizon]

It can be dms, #texture-meta-dev , or not at all if you don't wanna share. I ain't gonna be bothered you're great at what you do

[mental heart]

go to the file chrom mentioned and look up everything that starts with STANDARD iirc?

[karmic vigil]

i dont think so

idr if they start with standard but i doubt it

[open mist]

holy moly

[stray bough]

@distant sandal Since you've played with the branch, how clearly are current tooltips conveying the mechanics of how item logistics work? Is there anything especially unclear?

[distant sandal]

I didn't manage to do anything. Maybe a longer introduction of the system is required. Or maybe i need to pool again to check last updates ?

[stray bough]

The tooltip updates are pretty recent

[distant sandal]

i know i have to insert items to the input bus to be transfered with VCO. but what items? quantity? same as normal recipe? what is the path to make circuits in what order? shoul i start with cutting then wire then .... etc, should i plug them like a fifo or one connection per machine? what is the black icon on the items.

[karmic vigil]

items in the nac get turned into 'ccs' (circuit components) , you need to route 'ccs' around the nac to its modules.
some 'ccs', like wires, have to be processed in modules into 'pcs' (processed components). the assembly matrix module takes 'pcs' and some 'ccs' and outputs circuit 'ccs' that get routed back into the NAC to turn into circuit items (VCI -> output bus)

currently, the splitter is waiting on a gui overhaul and doesnt work. the splitter is supposed to manage organization and sending items around. if you want to just test the nac, you can simply send items from the main NAC into the modules of the circuit you are trying to assemble

[stray bough]

. but what items? quantity? same as normal recipe?
This is all in NEI, you look at NAC recipes to see what items go where

The icon will be a bit more clear once the textures are finished

[karmic vigil]

nac theme is now working properly

thanks @mental heart

[mental heart]

might be working on something special for that empty bottom area :p

[open mist]

holymoly

gorgeus nacous??

[mental heart]

the refernce machine

[distant sandal]

does the nac will take care of opticals compontent? cpu/memory?

[nova knoll]

those would still be assembled where they normally are

only the actual circuits will be made in nac

[distant sandal]

i just have pulled and i do not have the icon on the main controler

VCI VCO means? does items are outputed from vco to module vci? or are items sent from vci into vco modules?

[stray bough]

The tooltips clarify the abbreviations and how they work

But they're basically input and output buses

Connected by vacuum conveyor pipes

If you are running a recipe X -> Y, if item X is in a red input then item Y is placed in a red output

(For multi-item recipes the color of the first item is taken)

[distant sandal]

the first item is Elite circuit board, imean its brown red and black.

[stray bough]

uh

no

its the color of the input bus the item is in

[distant sandal]

We are 2 trying to figure out of to make this thing work, do you have some time to explain to us in vc?

[stray bough]

yeah sure

[karmic vigil]

When talking to the nac, the logo is removed

[delicate horizon]

I know it would break the mold, but we could put it over the screen but behind the text, lower opacity maybe

[distant sandal]

is there a boolean to tell if its to talk mode or not?

if so, display icon if =false

[karmic vigil]

something like that yes

it has a setEnabledIf( () -> talkMode== true) on the logo

in psuedoCode

[cerulean fern]

this is beautiful

muah

[stray bough]

@distant sandal did you end up getting a crystal circuit working

[distant sandal]

We stopped when you left the channel.
Then we saw a commit from you on the nac, we assume it was not working at the time

Can a dev confirm crystal processor is craftable through the nac right now ?
If it is the case maybe its was a big skill issue from us yesterday.
Maybe tooltip required a bit more refining.
Maybe the questbook description will also help a lot

[stray bough]

The issue with item transfer was fixed in that commit

There are definitely some more tooltips required, the board module mechanic is not explained at all for example

The CC conversion stuff will be more clear when we get the textures in, when we get that done you will actually be able to see that the items are different

[distant sandal]

For a given circuit, the colors of vci vco and input bus is the same.

It took long Time to understand that

So there is a world when multiple nac is required to map all circuits ?

[stray bough]

It doesn't necessarily have to be because splitters exist

But splitter is currently not really functional

Splitters will let you merge and split items into different colors

[stray bough]

Optimal will likely be one NAC per circuit line

[distant sandal]

So one for bio one for wetware one for optical one for exo one for Cosmic ?

[stray bough]

(Also because of the bonuses you get from focusing on one line)

Pretty much

Everything below wetware is classified as "primitive" for the speed bonus, and we might add a unified LV-EV circuit that's NAC exclusive

But if you're smart with routing you can merge multiple lines into one NAC using splitters

[distant sandal]

And use modules from other nac ?

[stray bough]

That's explicitly not allowed

Can't send items from one nac to another

We initially had this but decided it would be better not to

[distant sandal]

Not allowed. The tooltip or the code forbid it ?

[stray bough]

The code blocks you from doing it, it's also the reason it was broken yesterday

I haven't had a chance to update the tooltip to reflect it yet

[distant sandal]

So in few hours i can pull and retry. Well

[distant sandal]

what is the deal with ImpurityFluid? in mteBoardProcessorModule ? we checked code to see how it works

it require mOutputItems so we checked the structure. we found wa can add normal IO on the pedestal, but with that the multi doesnt form anymore

[stray bough]

No tooltip for this yet

@versed holly can explain it propably, she implemented it

[versed holly]

it is not finished yet

[distant sandal]

well, i will wait

[karmic vigil]

UI update, nac now displays connected modules

[stray bough]

dont care wont fix

[karmic vigil]

DONT CARE. WONT FIX.

[stray bough]

fuck you!!!

[karmic vigil]

toxic nac dev team... wtf

im quitting

[stray bough]

[nova knoll]

hey you cant say that anymore

no swearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stray bough]

[open mist]

why not like in gorge

have you seen what maya cooked in it?

that's just

https://tenor.com/view/turning-red-cooking-let-him-cook-gif-10557345387453274062

[mental heart]

new gorge UI?

[open mist]

#1303308397961019472 message

[mental heart]

ah old gorge UI

[karmic vigil]

a lot of work for no real return

[nova knoll]

this

[karmic vigil]

gorges doesnt even work rn

[open mist]

[karmic vigil]

you dont interact with any of the UIs apart from splitter

[open mist]

oh you meant that

[karmic vigil]

yeah

[open mist]

i was about showing modules like this

[karmic vigil]

it would be cool if more of hte modules had interesting UIs (or anything going on i nthe,)

[karmic vigil]

ahhhhh

it was a post-release idea

[open mist]

oh ok

cool

[karmic vigil]

the modules are synced, we just need to sync position probably

or like relative position

[open mist]

just id them clockwise or smth

and get an array of id:type values

[karmic vigil]

that impl probably wont be as hard as making the UI look good

[open mist]

tur

[mental heart]

foundry has something like this too right?

[open mist]

aha

[mental heart]

no worries

[stray bough]

nac modules will now tell you why they have no output space when you dont have a hatch of the correct color instead of a generic "no output space" error

[spark thistle]

Should I start dark-moding this?

or you used gt standard mui2 theme and I dont need to?

[lime falcon]

Clearly looks dark mode to me

[spark thistle]

not my dark mode theme

[lime falcon]

You didnt specify

[spark thistle]

[karmic vigil]

i did not

its its own theme

but the textures are already dark

[stray bough]

It has a custom background that is dark mode

Full gui

Actually this is more clear

[spark thistle]

[spark thistle]

doesn't matter, consistency across all guis matter to me

[karmic vigil]

sure all up to you

[granite root]

Nac going well lol

I luv it

[stray bough]

we do a lot of work on it

[granite root]

Over 1 year i guess

Soo kool

Ui so nice

[stray bough]

Well it's been in dev for 1.5 years by now but active work was stalled for a while

But we are working on it with like 7 devs and a few texturers right now for a few weeks

[granite root]

Wow

Thats huge works

[stray bough]

7 devs not 57 lol

typo

[granite root]

lol

Maybe 2.9 will be biggest update ever had

[stray bough]

Hard to beat 2.7

But I do think nac is the biggest piece of content coming since gorge

[nova knoll]

add 10 more

[granite root]

Yeah thats true

So NAC covers lots of multis

Like wire, board etc.

[nova knoll]

not exactly

you still need all the parts for the circuits

[granite root]

Oh

[delicate horizon]

definitely in my opinion

[nova knoll]

they get processed more in the nac

but all the ingredients for all the circuits are still required from their original mulits

[stray bough]

Yeah it still happens before the nac

[nova knoll]

nac really is just the "cal and aal replacement"

so everything before you still need

[granite root]

Oh

Then it can prevent make tons of cals or aal

For circuits

[nova knoll]

yes

[granite root]

Nice

[nova knoll]

hopefully

:)

[granite root]

Actuallt late game is fight of circuits so

NAC is gonna really helpful i guess

Thats what i'm looking for haha

Cheer up, devs.

[soft oak]

item routing works again!

[stray bough]

and its not duping

[lime falcon]

u are still making tons of aal, just not for circuits

eoh

[granite root]

Ahh

help

[nova knoll]

eoh rework

[lime falcon]

2053

[granite root]

Maybe mega assembler appears in 50 years

[delicate horizon]

do we have recipes in mind for any untextured things?

[stray bough]

wdym

ah

no i dont think so

[mental heart]

EM2

[stray bough]

(Almost) all current nac tooltips

[soft oak]

connections tatus nwo shows in modules waila

[woven sorrel]

tbh if this is your stance i strongly oppose it being built in to the pack. people will use dark mode by default and it turning off all the custom guis is unacceptable

[cerulean fern]

@stray bough heres a draft of potential nac voicelines

It may still be too human

[maiden nebula]

I could do them, some gaia in there, and some granite in that, maybe all tiers of laputa shards too

( joke, I´m not gonna touch any part of NAC)

[karmic vigil]

LOL

a mana diamond voiceline ❤️

[soft oak]

🙉

[cerulean fern]

“congrats on installing the Phenomenon entangler. we could have put a mana diamond in it”

[maiden nebula]

Isn't botania a tech mod?

[karmic vigil]

our favorite tech dev

[maiden nebula]

idk who is meant to be that

[karmic vigil]

you

since ur a magic dev but if botanias a tech mod blah blah ur a tech dev now

[lime falcon]

its recipes time

[maiden nebula]

funny enough I have added more non magic recipes/stuff than magic ones, or maybe is just a 50/50

[karmic vigil]

soon actually

[karmic vigil]

contributors panel done!

[delicate horizon]

And then whoever is VA as well no?

[karmic vigil]

right

va might still be a post-release thing

it can be added then

[delicate horizon]

damn how am i supposed to compete with IX in terms of voicelines

i do not know how to edit my own shit rn

[karmic vigil]

nac development team checkin: in shambles

[spark thistle]

The resource pack won't be in the mod-pack

[torpid lantern]

Fuck we're gonna have to call it the AC now, Actually Coming

[sonic pebble]

Now Actually Coming

[stray bough]

nac item routing should be properly fixed now

[delicate horizon]

Do we have a texture pass checklist? @stray bough

[stray bough]

@nova knoll is handling the last few that we need

only thing left really is uh

the processed ccs

[nova knoll]

yeah no all items are done

:p

[delicate horizon]

Oh bet

[nova knoll]

everything is done

[stray bough]

and we need glow/active overlays for the module blocks but @mental heart was doing those

[delicate horizon]

Sick

Auynonymous you're a beast with these

btw

[nova knoll]

true

[delicate horizon]

You do great textures and do em fast

[mental heart]

sorry we dont really have anything for you to work on lol, things are moving really quickly behind the scenes

[delicate horizon]

Nah dude it's fine

I am not going to complain

[stray bough]

some days these chuds play league all night

[delicate horizon]

"Oh no it's getting done faster than expected"

[stray bough]

some days we have 6 people clocking 10h of dev

[delicate horizon]

I work fulltime and help take care of my wife, so i can only really clock in 2-10 hours a week

[mental heart]

some days it’s both

[delicate horizon]

of dev work that is

Im not going to complain about things being ahead of expectations

[karmic vigil]

these are some amazing recipes

vacuum conveyor ___

[stray bough]

🔥

[stray bough]

were derailing

"do you think cal has more aura than aal"

[karmic vigil]

^ it doesnt

[woven sorrel]

aal has no aura

[karmic vigil]

this user has a bad aal setup ---> @woven sorrel

[nova knoll]

base assembly line should have been slices

[lime falcon]

reminder that we still need to fix ours

[karmic vigil]

whats wrong with ours

the smart blocking is not an us issue

[lime falcon]

it is until someone else complains

[karmic vigil]

im not an ae2 dev im a foolish gt dev

[lime falcon]

become the worthy

scam run will probably be alive for nac most likely

[karmic vigil]

NAC update: its very bad

[lime falcon]

nac can connect to discord?

would be silly

[nova knoll]

it's very smart

it plays discord ping when it has low eu

[granite root]

Seasonal ping sound change plz

[fast steeple]

im in

[karmic vigil]

the structure is really cool

only issue is its fucking massive lol

we had to balance the recipes around needing a good 3k of some of the blocks lol

speaking of, all the recipes are done for the NAC, its modules, its hatches, its pipes, and its casings

it just took4 hours of discussion

[delicate horizon]

gen question, do these discussions happen in a channel i can see like #meta-dev or somewhere else?

[karmic vigil]

its just in a discord server were in

in vc

[delicate horizon]

i see

that makes sense then

[karmic vigil]

yaya

hours and hours of horrible discussion

[nova knoll]

very horrible discussion

7 thousand nether star singularities

[karmic vigil]

the splitter frame box discussion (i won)

[nova knoll]

there was another discussion on that

didn't we just decide kevlar

?

[karmic vigil]

yes

it was just 20 minutes long

[nova knoll]

an argument happened today??

what the hell

[maiden nebula]

[karmic vigil]

a vacuum + conveyour + output :P

its not that but its funny

[karmic vigil]

not really just a fun one

[maiden nebula]

I know is a joke

[nova knoll]

there's no botania mana sparks in it, making it a bad recipe

[cerulean fern]

got melodyne involved, another option

sounds like glados now

[mental heart]

oh the FX one sounds sick

[main nymph]

when will nac test in exp？

[stray bough]

Soon

But also dailies are broken rn anyway

[floral jolt]

Working on it.

[stray bough]

waow....

[cerulean fern]

only got 30 days on melodyne trial, get me any lines you need before then lol

[stray bough]

can always sign up different devs

[cerulean fern]

truke

I guess i can also use pc

60 days

[stray bough]

the main focus rn is getting nac merged but the voicing is something i want to look at after

[cerulean fern]

please, NAC merging would probably get me to start another solo run

[stray bough]

holy

it'll be ready soon

[cerulean fern]

gonna do a subathon sooner or later, maybe start a solo gog run NAC is all ive ever asked for

[stray bough]

[cerulean fern]

NAC will solve most of endgame

[stray bough]

except eoh

[cerulean fern]

just one eoh rework and then bliss

[stray bough]

yeah

[floral jolt]

Next daily should work

[stray bough]

ok cool

[granite root]

Wow

[craggy rapids]

Is there any plans for eoh changes for 2.9? Would go along great with nac release

[karmic vigil]

not sure about 2.9 but it’s planned in general

[mental heart]

eoh rework soon™

[woven sorrel]

oh i never posted my cool bar widget here

[torpid lantern]

NAC should have a 1/1000000 chance to say your home address out loud when opening chat mode

[cerulean fern]

I can make it say YOUR home address… Just DM it to me and your credit card info

[empty acorn]

Make it sing ocean man when built in an ocean biome

[open mist]

or Starman when placed on mars

[empty acorn]

Yes

Rocket man on space station

[icy escarp]

Wait actually 👀

[stray bough]

It's probably the next major thing but it's not started at all outside some people having a vague idea

[icy escarp]

Fair enough, it was def the biggest pain point on my second run by far, made even more noticeable because you have to do normal EoH progression on twist

[woven sorrel]

aos

[karmic vigil]

AOs = Actually Over (sad)

[fast steeple]

good, fuck 3x3 cubes

also we wanted it to be expensive

like you should only ever need 1 or 2 NACs ideally

it's a centrepiece like gorge

[lime falcon]

on demand nac and passive nac

[karmic vigil]

its a nac per circuit type, so like 6 total but still

or you could universal NAC, itll just be really complex

[lime falcon]

wold need 8 nac for our passive opticals in that case

or do u mean circuit line and not each individual circuit

[karmic vigil]

line

picos and quantums are their own circuit line for now

[lime falcon]

ok still 5 nac

[cerulean fern]

def better than 800 AALs

[icy escarp]

did someone say universal

i'm actually pretty interested to see what the automation challenge will be and if that would even be possible without sacrificing throughput

[karmic vigil]

it will sacrifice throughput no matter what

its intentional

theoretically universal is possible, its just a huge pita

[fast steeple]

oh did the proposed mechanic of switching recipes to keep gregos interested get scrapped?

or bonuses for using the same recipe or whatever

[lime falcon]

will nac remove the need for ZPM CIRCUITS for optical line..

[karmic vigil]

now theres a 'calibration' where ur most crafted circuit type gives bonusses to line-specific modules and the matrix

[karmic vigil]

probably not

[lime falcon]

simply add a new recipe for memory 3.5

[karmic vigil]

thats not a NAC change though

[soft oak]

it got adapted to something a bit more interesting

[mental heart]

i think we found that idea comedically evil to implement tbh

[nova knoll]

simply must wait for optical soc, whenever that happens

[lime falcon]

after nac

[nova knoll]

:p

actually when exotics get added :p

[spark thistle]

do we have some eta, when this magical bad boi will be on daily?

[stray bough]

Soon ™

It really depends on how many issues we run into in our internal testing the next few days

I don't want to give an exact date because that might create expectations, and possibly disappoint people or needlessly pressure devs

If you're impatient, you can take a look at https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/pull/2903 🙃. I'm periodically updating it with new documentation/screenshots as they get finished, and you could of course checkout the branch yourself and do some testing

[spark thistle]

Aight, does it got some dependencies? Or I can build it and pop on latest daily?

[stray bough]

It should be standalone

But the branch is a little older than master so you might have to merge in master first

[spark thistle]

🫡 ayay thank you!

[stray bough]

Also if you just want to try NAC you can always just launch it in dev env

It doesn't need to be in fullpack to work

[spark thistle]

I wanna try and check it out really

dev enviroment right? eh idk how to set that up most likely

(vscode)

[stray bough]

Not sure how it is for vscode but the wiki explains it pretty well for intellij

But it should just be cloning and running ./gradlew runClient25

[spark thistle]

MMM

[stray bough]

tf lmao

[spark thistle]

imma just build it and put in daily lol, there is no conflicts

[stray bough]

It's probably okay yeah

[spark thistle]

either way, thanks wil check it out 🫡

[stray bough]

Let me know if you have any issues/need clarifications

The splitter may or may not be completely broken right now so if that doesn't work, that's expected

[spark thistle]

Well just building fine, but game crashed, or when I lauch with runClient25 also some crashes, but idk if I should bother you with it

[stray bough]

Make sure you are not using the -dev jar

[spark thistle]

ye, I'm using the normal dirty one

[stray bough]

You can also grab the build here https://github.com/GTNewHorizons/GT5-Unofficial/actions/runs/21348904301

What logs are you getting

[spark thistle]

oh I'll try
https://mclo.gs/ykWmYv6

and client25:

Could not determine the dependencies of task ':extractNatives3'.
> Could not resolve all files for configuration ':lwjgl3Classpath'.
   > Failed to transform lwjgl-freetype-3.4.0.jar (org.lwjgl:lwjgl-freetype:3.4.0) to match attributes {artifactType=jar, org.gradle.category=library, org.gradle.libraryelements=jar, org.gradle.status=release, org.gradle.usage=java-runtime, rfgDeobfuscatorTransformed=true}.
      > Could not resolve all files for configuration ':lwjgl3Classpath'.
         > Could not download lwjgl-3.4.0-natives-windows.jar (org.lwjgl:lwjgl:3.4.0)
            > Could not get resource 'https://repo.maven.apache.org/maven2/org/lwjgl/lwjgl/3.4.0/lwjgl-3.4.0-natives-windows.jar'.
               > java.io.FileNotFoundException: C:\Users\Pepe\.gradle\.tmp\gradle_download17052243006346586290bin (Access is denied)

[stray bough]

Best bet for making sure there's no incompatibilities is to checkout the tag of GT5u your daily is on, merge the NAC branch into it and then build that

That way you're sure that you're on the same GT5u version just with nac in it as well

[spark thistle]

.234 so the same as in build, so technically should be good

[stray bough]

Not sure why you're getting that error then, it seems unrelated

I recommend setting up the dev workspace like on the wiki then

https://gtnh.miraheze.org/wiki/Development

[spark thistle]

AIght, thanks!

[olive quarry]

you could have it doxx the player's current coordinates to in game chat

[karmic vigil]

NAC module textures are now all done thanks to @mental heart

[mental heart]

:D

[nova knoll]

waow

[open mist]

🥀

[karmic vigil]

thats a drone centre

but whatever

[open mist]

what is it doing there then

[karmic vigil]

i dont know 😭

[stray bough]

nei search being shite

[mental heart]

secret drone center NAC module

so secret even the lead devs of the project dont know about it

[digital oxide]

I like my blue

[karmic vigil]

i copied it over from foundry iirc

[stray bough]

I am the fixer of splitters

They work now

[nova knoll]

yay

when merger module

[stray bough]

splitter is also a merger actually

[nova knoll]

satisfactory reference fail

[stray bough]

You can make a rule that takes from 2 colors and outputs into 1

[nova knoll]

factorio reference win

ig

lol

[spark thistle]

wouldn't this be better just overlay than bunch of pictures ;-;

[nova knoll]

I'm blowing you up

highkey

[karmic vigil]

textures are in progress

[woven sorrel]

they are temporary textures

[karmic vigil]

for PC's

[nova knoll]

[woven sorrel]

CCs already use a renderer overlay. PCs will have custom textures

[nova knoll]

I've already made the custom textures for the pcs

that's my contribution

[spark thistle]

ah I see alright

[nova knoll]

I did all like 70 of them

with more on their way

[karmic vigil]

the state of nac development

[nova knoll]

this!!

[karmic vigil]

spam ping noc out of desperation for nac

[nova knoll]

nope!

[karmic vigil]

can you finish the pcs :)

also new pico and quantum circuit recipes for the post NAC world

[nova knoll]

hmm

protohalk wire will actually be horrible to make

[lime falcon]

more smd insane nerf

[nova knoll]

I don't even have the animated texture to overlay

infinity easy I think tho

[karmic vigil]

it was an oversight

[nova knoll]

wait a second are those metastable plates?

how will those be processed by nac?

I meant like which module

[karmic vigil]

cutter into strips probably

that was our idea

[nova knoll]

ah

so casing....

[karmic vigil]

uh

casing is casing

its cc and gets processed into the mainframe pc

thats fine

[nova knoll]

no I mean a cut plate is a casing

metastable

[karmic vigil]

uh sort of

but more like strips i think

anyway idk whatever

[nova knoll]

it's just weird as it's the only circuit to use a plate

also you can probably replace the casings in the mainframe housings with fluid

[granite root]

NAC drone centre - it fixes NAC automatically in 1 tick

[delicate horizon]

wait is something needed?

[nova knoll]

nope!

[delicate horizon]

oh okay cool ty

i wanted to make sure bc the stufff was confusin

[karmic vigil]

yeah auyna and june locked in somewhat

[nova knoll]

I'm the goat so

[delicate horizon]

so true

[open mist]

it's called
defaultMaintenanceCheck {return false}

[granite root]

nooo

[maiden nebula]

yea, more uwu matter spam ( idk but in later tiers we could replace uu-matter with a new fluid or something)

[nova knoll]

that's probably going to be elemental matter 2 in some capacity

[karmic vigil]

yeah, its just standard for circuits

[maiden nebula]

I know, but since we have the ic2 rework maybe a new fluid could be obtained

idk

[karmic vigil]

maybe for later

[maiden nebula]

Something unique for nac I mean

[night stag]

I tried way too long doing that when I made it, couldn't get it to work and doing it by hand only took like 1-2 hours x3

but yes that's 100% placeholder

[woven sorrel]

i wrote a nice IItemRenderer for CCs that shrinks them and displays an overlay. had to do some weird stuff to make it delegate to the original renderer for the item to make it functional with gt material coloring, and even more weird stuff to make it work with blocks

it works nicely now though, even stuff like transmetal has the spinny renderer with the overlay nicely on top

item rendering is “fun”

[night stag]

oooh very cool!!

[nova knoll]

funny enough the iitemrenderer is broken on the gtpp parts :p

theyre applying their tint to the overlay again

ok the render is working perfectly fine, gtpp is acting up

[stray bough]

splitter being operational means that it now should be able to fully autocraft circuits i think, if anyone feels like experimenting already

[nova knoll]

maybe wait until the textures get merged so you can actually tell what you are making

[stray bough]

reasonable

[torpid lantern]

I should use that copy of teto I have lying about somewhere and make some voicelines or some shit

[nova knoll]

teto nac must be real

[distant sandal]

there is some textures issues at the bottom of the module pedestals. looks like connected textures are not rotated properly.

[mental heart]

leagris is working on that iirc

[woven sorrel]

it’s a hodgepodge issue that breaks all ctm

[distant sandal]

How do i cope with modules that display connected to main complexe ; Waitting for power ? since 5min

[spark thistle]

So I could not get the branch work on latest daily. What it is based on, or what daily is it at least working on. Imma try on that?

[stray bough]

The nac branch is currently based on a reasonably old version of GT5u master, but has no conflicts so you can just rebase

Or just launch the nach branch in dev env directly, it has all the tools you need to test it