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plucky swallow
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play after login?

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try to wait or try to change resolution to 1280x720 and restart

lilac trail
plucky swallow
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it doesn’t matter i guess, the problem in initial loading all data needed for successful spawn on portal, lowering resolution somehow helps or just time needed for data to be preloaded

lilac trail
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In all honesty they, and you, are better off using one of the setups with the Windows clients. You login in first time every time, plus multithreading isn’t crippled.

plucky swallow
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Anyone tried on external usb drive? Will it impact during map clearing

lilac trail
plucky swallow
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i mean storing on external usb drive, i have steam library on it and some games work fine some lags like war thunder when they need to load some stuff

lilac trail
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Give it a shot I guess. POE is more GPU not CPU intensive these days. What is your USB drive model and capacity ?

broken vector
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does anybody else have an issue where switching desktops (to trade for example) and then going back to poe logs you out

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using WineSkin

lime zephyr
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Hi, anyone here got the game running with Crossover?

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Game is crushing at the start

lilac trail
lime zephyr
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I did and it still crushes 😦

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Can't enable the D3DMetal either

lilac trail
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That’s the problem. Disable DXVK. You need D3DMetal

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Once you turn off DXVK you should be able to turn D3D on

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Either Esync or Msync is good. High resolution mode also ok but it makes the cursor too small for me

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Oh - and Crossover need to change that description. POE runs fine on CO

lilac trail
broken vector
proud igloo
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The game has some ability to catch up if the client has been stalled for some reason, like stuck in simulation or losing packets.
See if you're playing in Lockstep or Predictive networking, the other mode may be kinder, but I'm surprised that it stalls out at all when defocused.

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Guess that macOS may be quite aggressive about not drawing when a desktop isn't in focus.

lime zephyr
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Turned off DXVK but still can not enable D3D @lilac trail

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lilac trail
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Crossover Issue

lilac trail
lilac trail
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Tried both UTM and PlayonMac to see if POE would run on either or both.
PlayonMac doesn’t support DX12 so that was a bust.
UTM will run Windows but is woeful at running POE.

So still only the 4 options to run POE as per the wiki. The wiki also now includes a note about running POE on Intel based systems. Options are limited there to either Win10 Bootcamp (though someone posted on Reddit they had Win11 running) or the standalone Mac client, with it’s associated issues 😬 Since I no longer has an Intel based system I can’t verify but I assume the mac standalone would be just as affected but maybe not because I’m not sure what OS an Intel system can run to. If Monterey is it they aren’t affected. Anything newer and they will be.

I think I’ve run out of alternatives to try. GFN is an option but I’ve no idea how to run that. As far as I know you have to have a games library from Steam, GOG or another provider. If someone knows how to run a Windows standalone on it let me know and I can test the free tier on it.

broken vector
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if i run poe on wineskin

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is updating to sequoia gonna be a problem

lilac trail
# broken vector if i run poe on wineskin

You can run Wineskinserver under Sequoia. I tested it. Keep in mind it isn’t officially supported since Sequoia is beta. Use the same setup instructions as outlined on the wiki.

Don’t upgrade your primary partition. Create a VM using UTM and install Sequioa on that (grab the IPSW file from mrmacintosh.com). That way you won’t impact your primary partition given beta products can have major issues.

lethal osprey
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does anyone use the "Awakend PoE Trade" App. The Mac Version? i downloaded it but cant open it. i always get an bug and it cant open

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atm i am playing PoE over Crossover, because of the Login-Issue with macs. I also tried to install Awakened PoE Trade in an Crossover-flask. But that dosent work too 😦 the app starts but i cant open it ingame

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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my trick is the right click on the app and go to "show package contents", then open the contents folder, then the MacOS folder, then double click the Awakened PoE Trade file there, and it opens properly in the terminal

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then you just switch to the game and you're good

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and make sure you give proper privacy permissions in macos system settings to that file

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sorry to the terminal app

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"accessibility" then add terminal app

plucky swallow
hollow wagon
lilac trail
lethal osprey
lethal osprey
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you have an idea, what i do wrong?

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tried it for a couple of times, always the same ending

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and i loaded the dmg file directly from your github link

lilac trail
lethal osprey
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unifers method didnt work for me...same issue. I will try out Chidorins

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oh great...special thanks to @plucky swallow your solution works fine for me 🙂

lilac trail
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I discovered another app that can run the Windows version of POE today (it isn't new but it was to me 😀 ). The app is called Heroic Games Launcher - https://heroicgameslauncher.com
It is similar to portingkit and Crossover. It uses WINE as well. I tested POE on it and got 60FPS in HO and between 35-50FPS in T16 8mod Dunes maps. It is fairly straight forward to setup, though it is a bit quirky regarding the installer. You basically have to set the path to the installer, then when that is done, set the path to the POE executable. It has a few options, engine wise, but I went with the default GPTK/WINE7.7. There is also 3 other config options but I am not going to test them all.
This doesn't have the same bells and whistles as Crossover. More similar to portingkit but a better GUI for WINE configurations. It is free. This makes a 5th option so I will add it to the wiki page shortly.

Both the stream version and standalone for Mac are still broken afaik, and likely to stay that way given the lack of communication on anything Mac related by GGG.

Heroic Games Launcher

An Open Source Epic, GOG and Amazon Prime Games Launcher

minor nest
minor nest
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LOL, I'm getting an error...

lilac trail
minor nest
lilac trail
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I don’t have game libraries so I can’t say why you are getting an error. Is there an error log ? What’s the error msg ?

minor nest
lilac trail
hard flint
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@lilac trail when using wineskin, how would you go about using awakened poe trade on it?

lilac trail
hard flint
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alright was just wondering since APT was just crashing on launch but it looks like just a random mac issue, thanks for the reply

lilac trail
hard flint
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alright, thank you!

minor nest
lilac trail
minor nest
# lilac trail Awesome. What did you need to do to get the EPIC version of POE running via Hero...

I was already trying with the official launcher, what I ended up doing after reading around was changing the line that said renderer_type=Vulkan to renderer_type=DirectX12 in the file production_Config.ini that is found in /Users/username/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile. Afterwards, making sure I'm using GPTK System (DX11/DX12 Only) - wine-7.7-25-g85bb342ed7e. It should work, I just deleted everything and I'm reinstalling to try and see if it does work again.

lilac trail
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Ah yeah - you need to make sure the renderer type is DirectX12. Macs don’t support Vulkan

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That is covered on the wiki page

minor nest
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Sigh... now I get a black screen and then it closes, gonna recheck everything...

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Meh, not working now, gonna delete everything and try again in a couple of days... lol...

lilac trail
minor nest
lilac trail
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OK. I was able to set that up using Heroic but I removed it. I only tried one of the engine options. You might have to use one of the others. I’ll try to record the setup and post it.

A black screen usually indicates either an engine or renderer issue. Even though you changed it, it maybe have changed it when it started up. If renderer is set correctly try running it with one of the other engines.

lilac trail
# minor nest Yep, the standalone from GGG’s website.

Attached are 2 videos of the setup on Heroic I followed to setup POE. Outside these steps you should just need to make sure the rendered_type-DirectX12 in the production_Config.ini file.
One thing I do not know is if you need to have GPTK itself installed or this tool sets it up. If you are missing GPTK I would not think you get as far as you do but I could be wrong about that.

minor nest
lilac trail
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I run the installer first as well - I just didn't click on the button that said "Run Installer first" It didn't seem to do anything. I just selected the installer from the POE folder I had it in and went from there. The step 2 is a bit weird. Had to change the path to the POE executable otherwise it just re-ran the installer. I couldn't find an easier way to do that then what is in the video 😀 I didn't show it installing but it did and I was able to run it. Will keep my fingers crossed. If it doesn't work you could try the other options, which I think are 2 different version of Crossover and a GPTK option I think.
If none of those work, just go with either Wineskin or portingkit as per the wiki guide. That should get you going with POE at least.

minor nest
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I think during the past weekend and today I’ve downloaded those 40GB probably like 8 times 🤣

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Thanks for the follow up, by the way, was about to give up 😅

lilac trail
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Yeah you can’t use the portingkit pre-made wrapper. I submitted a bug report to the developer but who know when or if it will get updates.
Make sure your renderer_type=Directx12 in the production_Config.ini file

minor nest
proud igloo
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@lilac trail I ran PoE1 on my work PC the other night, feeling withdrawal symptoms. 60 FPS has never felt this smooth before 😄

lilac trail
proud igloo
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It's one of those self-destructing Intel CPUs this_is_fine_animated

rustic horizon
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I'm a little late to the game starting out. On Mac. Running Sonoma 14.6.1
I get the "this file is damaged" when I try to open the stand alone launcher.
Did a search, saw Bob's answer and troubleshooting way back in late july early august.
I've run through the process 6 times now. Still not opening.
Keeps going through the same cycle over and over again>
I do note that the file from the download is dated Aug 11.
When I do the 'fix' process it updates to Aug 21.
But still a no go.

lucid galleon
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you just showed up your poe cheats
and I not mean the cheat engine

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this is so hillarious

lilac trail
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Oh yeah - a long time ago I thought I’d like to learn about file offsets. When I learned what was required I decided I had better things to waste my time on. Plus that is the Windows version. Not much use on a Mac 😁

lilac trail
rustic horizon
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well, I went back to the Steam version. But it's equally as buggy as all get out. About every 3 out of 5 startups I get it 'cannot connect.' So I reboot. Then about 2 out of every 4 of those it crashes and I end up starting the whole cycle again. I've tried to play the game on and off over the years but it never really cliecked with me. Came back thinking I'd finally give the whole campaing a run through to see if I wanted to invest in PoE2 in November. Is this going to be the state of the mac support though? Honest question, I am not trying to denigrate. But as I mentioned, haven't played much at all so I don't know how mac support has been over the longevity of the game.

lilac trail
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Don’t even bother with Steam version. GGG disabled multi threading on it so even when you do get in the performance, as you probably see is rubbish. Mac support by GGG is non-existent. It’s basically up to the community to come up with workarounds.
First question for you - are you aware of the wiki page that gives you step-by-step guidelines to play POE on a Mac using the Windows client ?

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You don’t need to use the steam client or the standalone Mac client. In fact I would recommend you don’t. Even if we get the standalone working for you, you will need to repeat the process every time they release a patch. You do not have to do so with one of the alternative methods, which are all free btw. There is now a 5th method, which O posted videos for yesterday. You can give that a try as well.

rustic horizon
proud igloo
lilac trail
rustic horizon
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oh awesome, thanks. Yes, it's an Intel mac

lilac trail
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Ah - those workarounds aren’t going to work for you then

rustic horizon
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ah so i can't work it. Okay. well, c'est la vie. I guess that gives me I answer on whether to pick it up.

lilac trail
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But ….. the standalone

lilac trail
rustic horizon
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it's not. I have literally gone over that post you made and tried at least a half dozen times. It always fails.

lilac trail
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The link you provided to me didn’t take me to the workaround method

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Let me check again. Maybe it was something funky on my phone

rustic horizon
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it should link to that.

lilac trail
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That is the one. Let me refresh my memory on it

lilac trail
rustic horizon
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Okay, awesome @lilac trail got me up and running quite smoothly. We're both a bit stumped because we can't figure out where the .ini file might be. Maybe it's possible that there isn't one on a mac and that info is stored somewhere else? I speculate the Package Contents but anyone have any idea?

proud igloo
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find $HOME -iname 'production_config.ini maybe, assuming it's created up-front, I don't remember how installers work.

lilac trail
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Just to clarify - it's an Intel based Mac. The display settings seem quite limited as well. Not as many options as the M series presents

proud igloo
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Recall how I needed to edit the config after the game had first launched, as it was empty (or missing?) on first install with the wineskin tech.

lilac trail
proud igloo
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I don't have any relevant personal Intel machines anymore to test anything on, gave away the 8700K and that was getting long in the tooth anyway.

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Too much effort to set up Hackintoshes again anyway.

lilac trail
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They are in game so I'm not going to lose any sleep over not knowing

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If someone else has an Intel system running POE maybe they can tell us. I wonder where you are supposed to store sounds files for filters on an Intel. Anyway - time for me to hop off. Night all

rustic horizon
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I found it.

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/Users/USERNAME/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile/Preferences/production_Config.ini

lilac trail
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@rustic horizon - let me know when you are up for testing. Given the fact the Intel system uses Vulkan for renderer rather than DirectX, it may actually be possible to use the Windows client methods described in the wiki link. I would like to you to give it a try with the portingkit steps.

There are 2 differences from the steps. The first is the engine choice. You will not be able to use the D3D engine outlined. I am not sure which engine will work. It's going to be a bit of trial and error unless someone somewhere has already done this and can say which engine to use. The other items that you won't change is the renderer_type. Don't change it to DirectX12. Leave it as Vulkan.

PoB should just work with PK as it just needs to be installed. No tricky bits with that.

rustic horizon
lilac trail
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You won’t be able to use the GPTK one - that’s only M series. If we get it working on portingkit we can try the Wineskin and Crossover later

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Step 3 of the portingkit is what is unknown. You won’t select the option outlined. That’s only for M series.
I’ll see if I can find any information on which engine to select. Given the renderer is not DirectX it’s likely we need to use a DXVK setting.

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The other thing I’m unsure of is since we are now trying the Windows client on an Intel Mac, if the renderer now needs to be DirectX for this to work. It hurts my brain just thinking about it.

proud igloo
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Step 3 of the portingkit is what is unknown. You won’t select the option outlined. That’s only for M series.
Ah, of course, was wondering what was so special about Intel gorbbrain

lilac trail
rustic horizon
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okay, I think I'm following this. Do I need to delete and clean off the current installation I have off the standalone Mac version?

lilac trail
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No, unless you are low on disk space

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What will be interesting is if it created a My Games folder in Documents directory. Using the Windows client I think it will but I guess we’ll see

rustic horizon
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Okay, it's working.

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I had to do three tests. Sort of three.

  1. Tried with the choice listed in the #3. It wouldn't even let me select the installer.
  2. Tried it with WS11WineCX21.2.0 (which seems to be the default when it comes up initially). I could get through the install but then it would not start up the Wine Port.
  3. Tried it with the next one up the list WS12WineCX64Bit22.1.1. Worked. Installed. And started up.
    When I opened the options to look at the video settings, this is what it showed by default I have not touched them.
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So I'll play with that a bit over the next couple of days to see what sort of perfomrance I get when I do it.

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and I know you were curious earlier. It DID add a My Games folder in my Documents folder.

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lilac trail
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Ha ha - I knew it about the My Documents folder 😀 Great detective work on which engine to use. It makes sense you needed a 64bit engine

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Is your renderer_type in the ini file under My Documents Vulkan or DX12 ? I assume Vulkan. It will likely crash if you change it - you could try changing it in the ini file just to see

proud igloo
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Feels a bit weird that all these have a shared external Documents folder, makes it hard to truly isolate them.

lilac trail
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You should get more than the 60FPS cap the Mac client is capped at. Also you will not get those updates issues with the Windows client

lilac trail
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Since PK works, it's likely Wineskin will also work, thought I don't think Wineskin has the engine you show

proud igloo
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What I mean is, if you've tried using various Wine-based solutions then following instructions for one or the other is going to diverge if you've got previous attempts with another engine, even if it's in a separate "skin".

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As the core settings/credentials/filters/everything is in the same place.

lilac trail
# proud igloo What I mean is, if you've tried using various Wine-based solutions then followin...

I'm not following. All the WINE based guides for using the Windows client on an M series will point to the same file and use the same setting. The Intel one will use the same file in the same place as well - but the renderer will be Vulkan instead of DirectX12. The Mac client, and probably steam are in different places but likely use Vulkan as the renderer as well. If you stick to ne or the other and it's documented somewhere, hopefully anyone trying t ofollow it doesn't get as confused as I have been.

proud igloo
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What if you want different settings for different runtimes?

lilac trail
proud igloo
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Like if you have one WS that runs best on D3D12 and also want to have another install in another WS on another engine that uses Vulkan, maybe at a different set of graphical options.
As the configuration files are shared, you can't have that.

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Nothing that matters currently, mostly thinking about when things change.

lilac trail
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You’re talking about 2 installs of the same game in that scenario if I follow correctly, yes ?

proud igloo
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Yeah, unless you intentionally put the game files somewhere outside of drive_c to share the space used.

lilac trail
proud igloo
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But isn't this Documents folder your global per-user Documents folder?

lilac trail
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Yes, as far as I know. Each user on a single system would have their own Documents folder but that would be a pain and you couldn’t run them concurrently. You can’t do what you described on a single system but … you can set up as many VM’s as your system can cope with. Each install could have a different engine and therefore its own ini file.

rustic horizon
# lilac trail Is your renderer_type in the ini file under My Documents Vulkan or DX12 ? I assu...

Render type is set to Vulkan in the .ini file so that must be picked automatically.
It does not give me more FPS. It's locked at 60. In fact it's actually greyed out.
That said, there are times, like load ins, where I see it go up a few frames but then once it gets loaded it all locks in right at 60 and doesn't change while I play.
Played about an hour so far.
Of note, it FEELS like it's playing about the way the standalone mac versions is, but I thick it might be slightly laggy.
The other thing I noted is loadins (switching to areas, starting up the game, logging in) take a fairly long time, way more than the standalong Mac version does.

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I may get daring and trying enabling the FPS Cap to see if that makes it go up.

lilac trail
# rustic horizon Render type is set to Vulkan in the .ini file so that must be picked automatical...

Since it’s the Windows client the FPS isn’t artificially capped, so you should, at least on occasion get FPS higher than 60, whereas with the Mac you might see 60FPS sometimes, usually just in HO.

Try unlocking the cap and see how it goes. Also check multi-threading is active. What the gateway response ? I saw several messages today that some servers were horrible.

The point of using the Windows client is really to avoid the login/disabled multi-threading and update issue of the Mac clients.

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Try some of the other WS12 engines as well. Not the metal ones ! Some players were using the rc1 engine. No idea how but it worked for them.

If the rc1 works that might be better as it’s a more recent release.

rustic horizon
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I think the horrible server issues must've been the issue because when I booted up 20 minutes ago it was just as fast as the mac standalone version.

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No go on the fps change. it stays right at 60 for the most part and barely ever flucturates.

lilac trail
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Higher FPS is a bonus if it happens. Smooth gameplay, no login or update issue are the main objective.

Let me know how different WS12 engines go if you are up for a little more testing at some stage.

proud igloo
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On brief bursts above refresh rate - loading screens are the kind of place where frames can bunch up thanks to buffering and inconsistent frame pacing as loading focuses on loading.

lethal osprey
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Hey @lilac trail i need some advice, because i am struggling a bit. I played a few days now with the testversion of crossover. Everything works...no problems. But theres still oine thing that makes me think about. Ive got a Macbook Air 2023 (M2) and i noticed, the the chassy of my macbook gets really hot. And on later maps the FPS is not very good. I dont know if its just because the Macbook Air M2 isnt made for such games if its ok. I cant enter Gaming Mode when i play on Crossover. And now i dont know if its worth it to buy the Crossover Version just to realize at some point it makes no fun...So do you think another of the solutions posted here are maybe working better than crossover, or do i have to accept, that PoE is not made for my mac no matter what i do?

lilac trail
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There are a couple of players here that use a Macbook Air to play POE, so you aren't alone. If I remember correctly @plucky swallow runs a MB Air with 8GB memory (I assume you have an 8GB memory setup) They may have some tips and tricks for keeping things a bit cooler. Regardless, playing a game like POE on a Macbook Air is not going to be as good as a MB Pro, which has more CPU grunt and usually more RAM, and cooling fans.

First thing to do is make sure all your settings in the graphics section of Options are set to lowest possible. Are they all on lowest possible ? Also - try not to be running anything else at the time, even if it's just a web browser. You want everything to go towards POE.

The other options for running POE will not likely give you better performance than CO, however, they will give you the same performance AND they are FREE. Since they are free it will cost you nothing except some more time and disk space to give them a try. At worst it will mean your system runs hot but you can still play POE and not have paid for something you don't need. Try setting up either WS (Wineskinserver) or PO (portingkit). For PO, you'll need to make a custom port, not use the one that exist (it doesn't work). If you use WS you can now use a new engine I asked the developer to add instead of the one mentioned on the wiki, which is a hassle to get because you need to install PO to get it :-). If you use WS let me know and I'll go look for the engine required.

plucky swallow
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i have mac mini, i guess it's with fan, mba will throttle so you need external stand with big fan so your fps won't drop in 10-30min but 2-3h in example

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fan just stabilizes/saves fps from drop

lethal osprey
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hm..oki would like to give game porting tool a try...i think its a bit complicated to install, but i will try it out

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my mac has 16GB Ram

proud igloo
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If your machine gets warm enough to start to throttle, the two choices tend to be to either get it to not generate as much heat, or get the heat away from the computer.

lethal osprey
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you know some best practices for getting the heat away? tried to research for it. The most common solutions are to buy fans and get the macbook a bit higher on some sort of feet

lilac trail
lethal osprey
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i think the game porting toolkit?!

lilac trail
lethal osprey
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there is a game porting toolkit 2...you mean that?

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i am a bit confused now 😄

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there sould be a way (normally for developers) to port windows games on a mac. That is what i meant.

lilac trail
# lethal osprey i think the game porting toolkit?!

It is very confusing. One of the options is portingkit - from portingkit.com. This existed way before Apple's command line app was released, with a very similar name.
Apple's tool is called Game Porting Tool Kit or GPTK for short. That is the one Apple released for developers to test their game would run on a Mac. It is command line only. If you are technically minded you could follow the wiki setup instructions to get it running. It's what I did. If you aren't technically minded though it will be confusing.
GPTK latest release is v2.0. It is however beta and requires you to be running Sequoia, also in beta, mainly because v2.0 supports ray tracing. Since POE doesn't use ray tracing (yet anyway) you can use GPTK v1.1 instead.

portingkit and Wineskinserver are both GUI based. They set up the components of GPTK you need in the background so you don't have to deal with it.
It all depends what you are most comfortable with.

As for keeping system temperatures cooler, you will struggle with a fanless system. You could get a cooling pad if these still exist. They have fans in them. They usually take up a USB slot or 2 on your system to run though, unless there is a battery or electrical outlet one.

lethal osprey
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thanks alot

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when the GPTK once is installed, i can install steam through it and can play all the games or do i have to setup every Win-Game separately?

lilac trail
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The wiki guide assumes you are installing standalone clients. As far as I know, you can setup steam using GPTK, but it can have some issues. The guidelines for using the steam client with GPTK itself are outlined on applegamingwiki.com. Although they are a bit outdated now I believe they are still valid.

lethal osprey
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kk thx

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mb i will buy a license of crossover since there is no difference in performance

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😄

lilac trail
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Use TOM23 for a 20% discount.

lethal osprey
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oh nice

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thanks for the code 🙂

proud igloo
prime dust
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Hello everyone. Has anyone encountered this problem? Translation: "The update failed to overwrite the executable file. Please ensure that PathOfExile.exe or PathOfExile.tmp is not running. You may need to restart your computer."
I tried to restart the computer, it didn't help

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This happened at stage 9 of the installation according to the Wiki article

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Here are the settings of the wrapper itself

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prime dust
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UPD. It helped me to delete the Path Of Exile folder from My Games/Path Of Exile

lilac trail
silk swallow
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Hello! New here, thanks for all the pinned messages 😄

I didn't see one about login issues from Mac (M1 here, using Steam within OSX itself, rather than Bootcamp or Parallels). I get a range of issues and am able to log in maybe 1 in 4 days that I try.

I can usually (but not always) get past the first log in screen, then when I choose my character and try to load into town I typically get a blurry screen and then a message about failing to connect to the server. From then I cannot get past the log in screen -- or it crashes entirely.

I didn't have better luck with the stand alone client.
I sometimes try verifying the game files in Steam, I've tried reinstalls and reboots (though some state got retained, not sure how to really purge all configuration from the game). I tried setting lots of configuration back to default as best I could.

Any tricks that people here have discovered for improving the success rate of logging in?

lilac trail
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And are you on an intel system ?

silk swallow
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Yes, I am using the Steam Client.
I have an M1 chip which I think is known as Apple Silicon and is not Intel (I can double check).

I tried uninstalling the game and using the Stand alone client. I actually forget the exact issues I had with it but basically it wouldn't run.

I found some guidance on a forum that showed that you could delete the executable (as the OS demands, claiming it is corrupted), undelete it and then do something to get it to load.

However there was an update and after that I couldn't get the game to execute whatever I did.

lilac trail
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If you select the Apple icon in the top left corner of your screen and select About this Mac it will tell you what chip you have. What does it say there ?

silk swallow
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Chip: Apple M1 Pro
What I meant was: I can look up whether the M1 really isn't Intel.

lilac trail
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M1 is aPPLE sILICON.

silk swallow
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It looks like it's made by TSMC

proud igloo
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The primary distinction here is "old x86/Intel-based mac" or "Apple Silicon mac (M1 onwards)".

lilac trail
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You can't use Bootcamp on a Apple Silocon Mac. Using Parallels or VMware is a waste of time. POE will barely start up.

silk swallow
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Yeah, I've tried with Parallels and it was unplayably slow.

lilac trail
# silk swallow Yeah, I've tried with Parallels and it was unplayably slow.

Yeap. So is VMware - which is free. In the pinned messages there is one describing how to remove the Mac standalone version from your system if you need to. If you have the disk space you won't need to do that. Re-installing the stand alone will overwrite what ever is there. When you try to start the standalone version what error message do you get ?

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I'm going to create a thread for this and take it out out the main channel

proud igloo
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I got a horrible/great idea. I wonder if it's possible to mlock or otherwise force external filler data to be resident in memory, so that PoE gets less RAM for the CPU/GPU.
Would be fun to see if that would manifest similar proxy texture problems like some people have.

lilac trail
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Would it make the game better or worse ?

proud igloo
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Worse. It'd simulate having less RAM.

silk swallow
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I got a horrible/great idea. I wonder if

marsh patrol
# silk swallow Hello! New here, thanks for all the pinned messages 😄 I didn't see one about l...

I have the same problem on my M2 mac. I find a basic procedure of closing the game, reopening it and trying again can work, or closing the game and steam.

BUT I have a big suspicion that this issue is caused by not enough video memory available or something like that. So... close everything and try again.

Specifically make sure you don't have any fullscreen videos open that you exited and forgot were there (hit f3 to open that window viewer thing and check up top).

If you have everything closed, open the game and lower the video settings, even just to test it. Lower the Resolution down to the lowest value. Try again.

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Also try fullscreening the game if you're not. Are you running dual monitors?

silk swallow
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Thanks for the thoughts. My error messages seem to be to do with network issues but I'll try reducing load on graphical resources!

No external monitors at all, just using the screen on my MacBook.

I have video settings pretty low and I run it full screen (I think I read that that's actually easier on the system?).

I wonder if there are diagnostics one could run to test your video / graphics idea. E.g. grep some error log file for out of video memory type messages?

proud igloo
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What kind of network connectivity do you have for your mac?

marsh patrol
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I doubt it's network issues? My issue presents in the same way, game doesn't load the instance (or on new char screen, crashes when selecting the char). After that, I get the failed to login message until I reopn the game.

I'm connected with ethernet to fibre and so it's never a network issue?

proud igloo
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I don't think so either, but there's a reason why I'm asking about network connectivity.

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Can't test further tonight as I don't have my PoE credentials handy on my mac.

lilac trail
proud igloo
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Until recently, I was stationary enough that they weren't invalidated daily.

lilac trail
proud igloo
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I could log in with the alternate account, but I don't remember that either 😛

lilac trail
rustic horizon
# lilac trail I’m curios why you don’t want to switch to one of the alternative solutions, esp...

As a newbie I'll second this question.
I was playing on the mac steam version, then the stand alone mac version then finally came on here to get some help with all the glitches that kept cropping up all the time when I was in Act 3.
I switched to the portingkit (PK) Setup and yesterday I finished the campaign.
The only glitches I've had are two crashes (couldn't figure out what caused it.)
And town areas tend to be realllllllly laggy but I think that might actually be a server side issue and not on my end.

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Is there an app that will go through all my stashes and log what I have in each. It's getting tiresome to go through tabs to see what gems, jewels, gear and so on I have that I can then re-use in other builds. Each item and it's stats would be very useful - even better if there was a way to generate a CSV I can import to spreadsheet

proud igloo
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Software like Acquisition had a reasonably searchable interface, but it's very aged.

lilac trail
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No kidding - 2018 😜 This seems similar to Procurement POE - maybe that replaced it ?

proud igloo
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The biggest annoyance with all such tools is that they're either running locally on your machine with your powerful session ID cookie and runs out of rate limit constantly, or they're running on a server with OAuth and runs out of rate limit constantly.

lilac trail
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Time for me to get back into POE. To short cut the process I'm hoping someone can tell me if this Harvest strategy still works or not (I added in Essences to I think)

Enhanced Harvest
8mod JV map. Awakening, Monstrous, Doubling and Hordes Scarabs. Select Imbued Harvest.

"Normal" Harvest
JV Map (at least 85% quant) Doubling, Monstrous Lineage scarabs, Noon and Dusk fragment

These are 5 slot strategies. If still valid what do I throw in the 6th slot (which I have activated) ?

I used to also run a Back to Basics Atlas strategy too but as I understand it B2B no longer exists. How do you generate 8mod maps now.
I've looked at a few Atlas strategy guides but they all seem pretty meh - I'm open to looking at others if anyone feels they have an awesome guide

Oh - and is there a replacement for the old XP Atlas passive tree setup. As I understand it Scarab of Teaching doesn't give the 30% XP bonus anymore either.
You have ot wonder if GGG is trying to take all the fun out of POE with some of these changes ....😬

pure trellis
lilac trail
pure trellis
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I put up with it because I am old and forgot more about computers from shit in the late 70's then I could ever imagine....lol....

lilac trail
atomic herald
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myself refuse to install windows thingy on my mac, as long as i can - maybe there are more like me. I am so stubborn that if the poe stops working the way i play it - i stop play poe (i think)

atomic herald
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(myself havent upgraded from Monterey, and i wont change as long as poe works on it) the negative with mac-version is the low fps when lots of mobs around, i think windows version can handle that better, but i am stubborn...

proud igloo
lilac trail
proud igloo
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Any decade now.

marble gate
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Yooooo TY for the ping! 👏🙏

proud igloo
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NA seems to be slightly delayed if you're there, but within an hour there too.

lilac trail
proud igloo
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Has any of you fools fine people installed retail macOS 15 Sequoia yet?

fossil dock
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I install

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I ran the beta in a VM. Can't run the latest in UTM atm the moment. Wants to do a software update but then says the server is not available 🤷‍♂️

lilac trail
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It appears Apple’s update servers can’t handle all the requests coming in for updating. Keeps puking on setup in the VM

proud igloo
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Smol indie company SCapplerun

lilac trail
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Actually it turned out to be a me thing. I was trying to install Sequoia in the VM but you can’t do that if the underlying host isn’t already running Sequoia. I installed it on my 2nd partition instead.

Is there something related to POE you were curious about related to Sequoia ?

proud igloo
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Mostly just the usual. Does the patcher mess up, does APT still need weird permission dances, do the various Wines work?

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Any surprises towards more or less function, really 😄

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I see more normal people on X and Masto complain about permission popups, so probably worse in that regard.

lilac trail
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I tested all the apps that run the Windows version but not the Mac standalone. I suspect the same issues will still exist. It might be ok with an initial install so I’ll need to wait for a patch to see the same or new issues pop up.

lilac trail
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OK … Mac standalone has the same issues. The dreaded “This file is damaged ….”

edgy jacinth
# lilac trail Time for me to get back into POE. To short cut the process I'm hoping someone ca...

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and here's the best harvest crop rotation strat video i've seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXQ5_jZh77g

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lilac trail
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Someone actually referred to the wiki page for using the Windows client on Reddit the other day 🙂

silent moss
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I am getting an error opening the windows version now that it has been patched. Is there a specific process for me to patch it?

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It says cannot overwrite executable with new parched executable

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Figured it out all good

paper robin
lilac trail
dim sundial
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is there any way I can increase the resolution without changing my display resolution?

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or increase scaling?

lilac trail
dim sundial
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thank you ❤️

plucky swallow
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new observation: if after launching poe you immediately click on green window button for full screen and poe launches full screen with game mode on, - you can login and load into every time without problem and then resize the window to your preferences

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to get out of full screen you have to use spaces (in my case double touch with 2 fingers on magic mouse)

timid raft
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hey, what is the prefered way to run PoE on a M3 Max Macbook? native? Whisky? gameportingtoolkit? thanks!

proud igloo
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In general, a Windows client in some way.

timid raft
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thanks!

lilac trail
# timid raft thanks!

There is a pinned message to a wiki page that describes how to setup one of the Windows clients on a Mac. There are 4 options to choose from. Most are free except for Crossover (use TOM23 for a 20% discount if you go that route)

timid raft
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a test with whisky was not very successful. i got it to run (with gptk 1) but quality was much worse than with the Mac client. Trying the Wineskin route now. thanks again.

timid raft
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wineskin works somewhat better. but graphics on the mac client is just WAY more better. dunny why.

lilac trail
timid raft
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yeah as i said I'm using Wineskin now

paper robin
lilac trail
timid raft
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i have the same resolution set in the windows client as on the mac client (2540x1440). other graphics settings are also set to the same. however, the win client somehow looks like it's half the resolution

lilac trail
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That does sound odd. Can you screenshot the graphics settings in the wineskin and the mac client here to look at ?
Is one full screen and the other windowed perhaps ?

timid raft
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fwiw; FPS seem to be much more stable on poe via wineskin so i'll keep that for now 🙂 i don't know about the graphics, maybe it's placebo

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it works fine though, thanks again for the help!

lilac trail
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The FPS is more stable I think because it isn’t capped in the Windows version, whereas it is in the Mac native version (I can theorize why but not much point doing that.

For resolution, you could use the free version of BetterDisplay. You can create a virtual display at whatever resolution you choose (it does it using memory not the monitor or graphics settings). You then have your primary screen mirror the virtual one. There isn’t a pinned message for this but if you search for BetterDisplay in this thread you should find it (there is likely 2 - one I didn’t test and the other I did)

timid raft
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cool username btw, i'm originally from saxony ;p

lilac trail
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The username is actually from a book series called The Dresden Files by Jim Butcher. Fantasy novels for adults rather than Harry Potter.

I use the GPTK setup because I was too cheap to buy Crossover at the time 😁

The mac client has so many issues and there is basically no support from GGG for it, hence the people in the forum had to come up with their own solutions. I’m pretty confident this won’t change with POE 2.0

timid raft
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for people using a win client, do you also have the problem that poe crashed when it was minimized for a while?

cerulean moss
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is anyone using WineskinServer on Sequoia to play? I'm on Sequoia, just learned about Wineskin today. Followed the directions here and got to the last step but when I open the wrapper it just opens up a black screen and then closes. I've updated the production_Config.ini file to include renderer_type=DirectX12 (confirmed even after the file was generated after the initial time of running)

i think perhaps the only discrepancy from the guide when I installed the engine was that the engine available in Winery for me was WS12WineCX23.7.1 without the _D3DMetal-v1.1 appended.

Another thing that is sort of weird is that I can't open the wrapper to change the settings anymore, opening the wrapper just attempts to launch the game (black screen) then exits after a few seconds.

lilac trail
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You’re going to have to change the engine I’d suspect. How are you trying to open the wrapper to get to the settings to change the engine. Are you just doubling clicking it ?

lilac trail
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Go into /Users/username/Applications/Wineskin
Right click the wineskin app that is POE (mine is called POE). Select Show Package Contents. Right click on the Wineskin app (probably at the bottom of the list) and select Open.

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This will bring up WS menu. Select Advanced - Tools - Change Engine Used. If you do not have the engine as per the guide you will need to add it. To do that you'll need to open the Wineskin Winery app in /Applications by right clicking on it

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Click on the + sign. The engine in the guide has been replaced now with a v4. Use WS12WineCX64Bit23.7.1-4_D3DMetal-v1.1 only.
Once you have done that then go back to the previous instructions on how to update the engine. You can also do a test run in that menu once you have updated the wrapper.

cerulean moss
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Oh I wonder if it's related to his latest release

lilac trail
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More than likely. Are you running Kegworks then ?

cerulean moss
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Yeah

lilac trail
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I assume it will work the same way. Install both the engines listed. Then open POE and change the engine. Try WhiskyWine first, then the other one if that doesn’t work

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I’ll test it out tomorrow as well. Will need to update the guide at some point.

cerulean moss
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I'll try the other two engines. Thanks for your help! I went ahead and also submitted an issue in gh.

lilac trail
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Let me know how it goes. If it doesn’t work you might be able to install the old wineskin app though it looks like that instruction set has gone

cerulean moss
lilac trail
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You should be able to just change the engine in the wrapper that you made for POE

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Unless they completely rewrote everything you right click on the POE wrapper and select Show Package contents and then select the Wineskin object at the bottom, unless none of that exists in the wrapper anymore 🤔

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Select open. Should bring up WS menu and you pick Change engine. Once done select test

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it was probably changed? That's what I see now. The second window with the options is what I see what I click on Advanced. The engine is listed in the bottom right but is un-interactable

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lilac trail
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What do you see under the Tools tab

cerulean moss
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Doh

lilac trail
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That is where Change Engine should be

cerulean moss
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If it works, can I use the Test Run button and it'll just launch the game and it'll stay open permanently?

lilac trail
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Use Test to run it. It will start the game. The game will run till you exit.

If it works you can just open the app normally as the new engine will be saved.

cerulean moss
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All 3 engines aren't working for me

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same behavior - you can see the path of exile launcher flash open, then the game opens, black screen, you see a POE cursor, and it just closes itself

lilac trail
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I can take a look tomorrow and see if I get the same thing. Can’t do anymore tonight. You could set it up in portingkit, which is also free

cerulean moss
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Oh no worries at all, thanks for all your help. Is there anything WS has over PK?

lilac trail
cerulean moss
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PK worked great

timid raft
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i use wineskin just fine. If you use WS12WineCX23.7.1 make sure to enable "Direct3D to Metal translation layer" in Wrapper config

lilac trail
timid raft
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my wrapper is indeed built using Wineskin (from a week ago). Haven‘t tried building a new wrapper with kegworks yet but i don‘t think the engines are different so i would expect it to work 🤔

lilac trail
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Don't update to Kegworks. The engines don't work with POE at the moment

timid raft
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good to know, thanks

lilac trail
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Also Kegworks doesn't have the same engines. It's back to 2 of them - neither of which seem to have D3DMetal. @Taz raised an issue on GH for this. I will probably add my input there as well

lilac trail
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Though in my defense - the update only came out 2 days ago I think

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@taz, @timid raft - the developer replied to taz on this issue an hour ago. I will go test the suggestion they made with Kegworks

Navigate to /Contents/Frameworks/renderer/d3dmetal and remove the 2.0 directory, the wrapper will now use D3DMetal-v1.1

The game will now be playable with WS12WineCX23.7.1, seems this step isn't needed with WS12WineCX24.0.5 Engine that I'm currently testing.

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It works in Kegworks (on Sequioa) if you do the process above. The developer is working on a new engine where the work around won't be necessary so I'll wait till that is in place rather than make a temporary edit on the wiki - unless I get bored 🙂

cerulean moss
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Confirmed, thanks all!

polar chasm
timid raft
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i use pob via Wineskin (now Kegworks). works fine.

lilac trail
oblique kraken
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does ur poe guys run well?

balmy laurel
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Not the Mac version. As best as I can tell, most people in this channel (including me) run the Windows client on Mac via a variety of 3rd party apps.

lilac trail
# oblique kraken does ur poe guys run well?

You're going to have to be more specific. There are a number of ways to play POE on a Mac. Steam, Native standalone or one of 3-4 Windows based apps - all except being free to use
I use the Windows version via GPTK - no issues

oblique kraken
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so using windows version is better

lilac trail
# oblique kraken so using windows version is better

It’s more reliable. Depending on your system specs you will get a solid 50-60fps consistently.

The Steam version is not good. GGG turned off multi-threading. The native Mac version has a number of issues, including an FPS cap, graphics hiccups and update problems.

That is why a wiki page was created so Mac users could avoid all the issues by using the Windows version on a Mac.

If you have a Macbook Air with 8GB of RAM this is rather moot. You will never get good performance out of a basic system.

oblique kraken
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all this time i thought poe on mac in unplayable

oblique kraken
balmy laurel
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Yes. That is what I have.

oblique kraken
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is it running good?

balmy laurel
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Yes it runs very smooth. The resolution gets lowered but there are ways around that so you can use whatever resolution you want.

oblique kraken
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why does my poe crash when i use directx12

lilac trail
oblique kraken
lilac trail
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OK. Go in to production config file. What is renderer_type set to ?

oblique kraken
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but when using 12

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it doesnt work

lilac trail
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That’s odd. You’re on Apple Silicon so DX12 should work. What engine are you using with wineskin ?

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And do you haveD3D to Metal turned on with it ?

oblique kraken
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i decided to play on crossover

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the trial

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works great rn

lilac trail
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OK. If you decide to buy Crossover you can either wait for the Black Friday sale OR use code TOM23 for a 20% discount. There may be other codes that provide a larger discount but I’m not aware of one right now.

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Hi all, is the performance on a M2 Pro also bad for you? I reach only 30 fps in HO with 50% scaling on a 1440p monitor.

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I am using the porting kit, installed using the wiki article

lilac trail
halcyon wolf
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Im using the Amsterdam server rn

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Especially when I load into town, the FPS is bad, around 8-10 fps

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Do you think using a different wrapper program would make a difference?

lilac trail
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No. It’s likely the gateway or your ISP

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You aren’t using the Steam client via portingkit are you ?

halcyon wolf
lilac trail
sonic epoch
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guys game auto close while am playing

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ryzen 7 5800x + gtx 1660 ti / 32 GB ram / asus b550

frank pulsar
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It runs

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But when I open it with shift + space and then try to close it, the whole overlay just freezes (Poe still runs fine) just can’t close the overlay

lilac trail
lilac trail
frank pulsar
proud igloo
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Could technically be a hackintosh, although I'm not sure there's any NV drivers this decade. 😄

frank pulsar
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gg gotta get rid of it

frank pulsar
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That can help like APT

lilac trail
# frank pulsar Are there any addons I should be using for Mac?

You can use the Windows version of PoB with portingkit, wineskinserver (now called Kegworks) or Crossover. Works way better than the Mac port.

You could also try the Windows version of APT. I think some people have got it running. Search for APT threads in this forum to double check that.

You could also check this forum for the Mac version of APT. I think there are some tips and tricks you can try to make it run a little better maybe.

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@lilac trail paused PoE for some weeks now...i guess there is no new update which makes the mac version playable, right? Do you think PoE2 will normally run on macs? i have a macbook air M2 2023 with 16GB RAM

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No update on the Steam client for mac. The standalone Mac client is still around but it has its own issues. The Windows client via one of the methods on the wiki is still the best way IMHO to play POE.

As for POE 2 - who knows ? In the absence of information from GGG, people tend to make their own narrative. I suspect the same Mac client options will be available. I’d be surprised if GGG were creating a new client. Guess we’ll see. I’m not participating in the EA but I’m sure someone in this channel is. Hopefully they can let us all know.

oblique kraken
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with crossover whats better esync or msync?

lilac trail
# oblique kraken with crossover whats better esync or msync?

It doesn't really matter. I tried both and could not see any difference. Likely because my system isn't impacted by what Msync or Esync are designed to help with. It's easy enough to test, just change the option from one to the other in the bottle and see how it goes.

edgy jacinth
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happy halloween all! out of curiosity are people going to play the reboot of settlers with the necropolis mods?

balmy laurel
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Might just power level something new to L50 for the mystery box.

edgy jacinth
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yeah same, I haven't done a spell build in a while, was thinking Ice Nova of Frostbolts Hiero, or maybe power siphon locus mines trickster

heavy aspen
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Until level like 80 its firestorm

balmy laurel
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I have any actual Firestorm build this league. It’s not bad.

lilac trail
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I just can't get into POE these days - I mean I can login just fine, but so many of my builds have been changed by GGG (yes I play STD) that I just don't have the strength to see what to do to make them whole again. Plus TBH I don't enjoy the grinding of doing the same thing over and over again (which is by definition what it's all about) with extremely little payback.
I've even gone back to D4 and Grim Dawn 😄 Did GGG do anything for Halloween - Blizzard have provided free cosmetics for several days (the last one is coming out today I think).
Honestly POE needs a refresh. It's feels like it's on life support and GGG seem to be really struggling with managing the existing system and bringing the new one to life. As a player why are we just being feed more of the same - POE 2 wasn't supposed to affect POE1 but it clearly is.

Rant over ... back to D4

atomic lantern
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wtf did I just read

proud igloo
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Old man yells at clouds 😉

edgy jacinth
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does anyone use a 32" or greater monitor with PoE? How is it? I'm trying to decide about an upgrade and there are a million choices

proud igloo
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Played the game at 40" in 4K on PC for a while, kind of neat but ended up a bit weird to have on the desk.
32" is a nice size if you want a step up or want a single main monitor. My old setup had 28" high refresh main, 32" side, 40" other side; all 4K.

edgy jacinth
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nice, any brands in particular you recommend? i've got m2 mini and PoE/BG3 are really only serious gaming needs, rest is office work

proud igloo
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Not sure really, my main screen was most excellent when it was new, but half a decade has passed by now.

lilac trail
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GGG having a bad hair day ?

proud igloo
lilac trail
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Reddit is aflame but when when isn’t it 🤨

edgy jacinth
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yo just wanted to check in how's everyone doing?

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i just got a dell 32" monitor and am blown away by the upgrade. works like a charm with my m2 and everything is so crisp!

proud igloo
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Amazing how interoperable standards do what they should.

bold cloak
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is it normal for it to say "failed to connect to server" on the start screen

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i tried to reset it but it rarely lets me load into the game

proud igloo
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There were some people in the past that had connection problems that seemed related to resource usage, mostly memory/VRAM.

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I forget if those people made it to the load screens or could tell from the background scene already.

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A hack they used was to run the program in a small window 😄

bold cloak
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my ram seems fine tho

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didnt know it used that much

proud igloo
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It's normally not a problem, but when on the margin it can be the difference.

edgy jacinth
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that can happen for a ton of reasons unfortunately. how are you loading the game? to channel my inner bob, there are lots of pinned posts for how to connect with crossover, wine, etc, that might be better for your situation

lilac trail
bold cloak
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Okay okay

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What if I don’t use steam client

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And download directly

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Will it still have the same issue

bold cloak
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New Mac too 😭😭

lilac trail
# bold cloak Okay okay

If you use the Mac standalone you won’t get that error. You will however get other errors depending on the OS version you are running. I’m guessing you are Sonoma given it’s a new Mac.
You CAN use the standalone. You will need to follow the pinned message to workaround the patch error message you will get. This will occur each time GGG put out a game update. Every single time.

In addition the Mac standalone has an artificial FPS cap of 60 FPS. You can’t go above that. There are a number of annoying graphics issues as well. You screen can go all disco ball in the middle of any activity.

If you’re ok with all that then use the standalone. If you would rather have a smoother experience look at one of the options outlined on the wiki page in the pinned message. This was created because of all the issues around the Mac clients which GGG have not fixed.

BTW - the steam client for Mac has been crippled since the release of Settlers. GGG had to disable multi-threading and have not turned it back on. That has meant Steam based Mac client performance is awful.

balmy laurel
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anyone know of a way to get around the "bug" where I cant open PoE in Wineskin if i have another Wineskin already running (POB)?
Apart from closing POB and waiting for a minute or two

lilac trail
balmy laurel
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Yeah seperate. And it works fine the other way. PoB will open if PoE is already open

lilac trail
glacial vault
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always happens iwth me too! everytime i close the game, i find it hard to reconnect for a few tries

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so these days, i dont even clsoe the game...

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soemtimes, i try clearing the cache and restarting steam, it works..now again, its crashing as i type

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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ok bob and zao and other wizards of the channel, I need your help! My CrossOver license is expiring so trying to follow the Wineskinserver setup in the wiki (now kegworks I guess). I followed every step perfectly, including ensuring the production_config.ini file had the right renderer_type setting. After all that the game won't launch though, here's a screenshot

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And it goes on for quite a while

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i have a mini m2 on sonoma 14.7.1 w 16GB ram and a 1tb hard drive

lilac trail
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I can't say what that means. I don't delve into the guts of the OS and the exception is can generate. @zao might be able to say more. It could possibly be the wine engine. When I wrote the guide the engine version was valid but since then they have changed some things (and not just the name). Could be a corrupted Path of Exile installer file - but that is a wild arsed guess. Could also be the engine version. The installation guide on the wiki may no longer be valid.

I still have WS installed so I'll test mine and see. If it works then something in the install on your side is borked and you might need to reinstall. I'll will also probably test Kegworks over the weekend as that is now what is being supported instead of the old Wineskin (though both really should still work)

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Edit: My setup with the engine outlined in the wiki still works so it's back to something with the PathOfExile installer file or the install itself. You could try to run the Packcheck.exe but I am not sure that will run. Download the installer file and try the setup again. Failing that use portingkit. That should still work

edgy jacinth
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Ok sounds good, thanks for all the help as always!

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can i try the portingkit method with kegworks still installed? or do i need to remove it first?

lilac trail
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You should be able to use portingkit independently from Kegworks. No need to uninstall anything

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The engines outlined in the wiki should be available in portingkit. I'm trying Kegworks now. It's essentially the same install as Wineskin but the engine is slightly different than what is in the wiki at the moment

edgy jacinth
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yup the engine in the wiki was available in porting kit. only prob is it's stalling on the"creating wine prefix" part, and it brought up a dialogue suggesting force quitting since it was taking so long. i decided to let it keep going, mabye it just needs time 🙂

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lol portingkit is freaking out, what even is this

lilac trail
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🤷‍♂️ R U using the Intel or Silicon version of portingkit ?

edgy jacinth
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it doesn't have an option to choose between the two

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even though the website says PK 5, it downloaded 6.3.2

lilac trail
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Correct. It used to have separate downloads. 6.3.2 is the latest. That is what I have installed. No offence but there is something weird on your system for bot hKegworks and portingkit to crap out

edgy jacinth
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haha lucky me! what macos are you running? maybe it's that

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also i do have steam version still installed, maybe uninstall that?

lilac trail
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I’m on Sonoma 14.5 I think. You don’t have to uninstall steam unless you are running out of disk space with multiple installs

Correction - I’m running 14.6.1 I doubt a newer version would matter. If there is an OS upgrade I’ll run it later tonight and re-test.

Kegworks ran fine on my system. There is one extra step involved to get POE working but it runs as it should.

edgy jacinth
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i restarted and now porting kit got as far as "installing winetricks" but hanging

lilac trail
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The "installing" part can take a bit of time. No idea what it is doing at that point but give it a bit of time. Alternative you try Kegworks. It is essentially the same setup proces as Wineskin except for an additional step required because of the engine it uses (which the developer is working on to fix). The reboot might have cleared whatever was making things barf

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Follow the links for initial setup on there. It's 3 lines. Note: That uninstall process does NOT remove the Wineskin folder or the Wineskin app in the user directory. That's fine. It does remove wineskin and install Kegworks in a separate folder.

The additional step to do is after POE completes the install but BEFORE you try to start the game.
Navigate to /Contents/Frameworks/renderer/d3dmetal and remove the 2.0 directory.
The wrapper will now use D3DMetal-v1.1

You will find this folder by selecting the wrapper you built (in the /users/username/Kegworks directory). Right click, select Show Package contents. Follow the path above after that.
Go back - start POE. Should run as usual

edgy jacinth
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oooh I did try Kegworks first but I don't think that specific idea of removing the 2.0 directly was on the wiki instructions. I'll try now

proud igloo
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macOS, the platform that never ceases to amaze 😛

edgy jacinth
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it worked it's working! i feel like a computer hacker after all that

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wait the graphics look horrible lol what did I do

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weird, some things are crisp and the others look pixelated

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menus and such are fine but the actual ground of the game is pixelated

proud igloo
lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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Oooooh no problem at all, I didn't mean to sound annoyed

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You do so much and the instructions were super helpful, thank you!

proud igloo
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The defaults IIRC is to adjust the render resolution to maintain a particular framerate; there's also the ability to pick a particular percentage to run at.

lilac trail
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The wiki has been updated with the Kegworks setup replacing Wineskin. Go for it !

lilac trail
# edgy jacinth wait the graphics look horrible lol what did I do

Are graphics better now ? The settings might have changed. As zao mentioned check the settings and set to whatever works best for you.

If you want to use a higher resolution than your actual system you can use a virtual monitor. I outlined that in a thread that probably should get pinned. There is a free utility (and a paid version) called BetterDisplay. Apart from more settings than I'll ever need - it also allows you to setup a virtual monitor at higher resolutions - 5120x2880 for example. It does this by using RAM (as far as my limited capacity to understand such magic goes). It might produce better in-game graphics.

edgy jacinth
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yup they're much better. still not perfect but it's getting there. i'll keep tweaking.

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And yeah I think the game kept my settings from my steam PoE, which I used through my Mac directly, so it assumed I was on a mac again probably

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And awakened PoE trade is even working, sweet

lilac trail
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Hi @copper rose - could you please pin this message in this channel - #mac-os🍎 message
Also - if possible - could you move the pinned message for the "Wiki for using the Windows client" to the top pinned message. I think it is the third one down but I included some of the title just in case it appears somewhere else in the pecking order for you. Any questions let me know. Thanks !

lilac trail
copper rose
lilac trail
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Thank you !

bold cloak
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if im using the latest ver i just need to tweak some stuff every update

glacial vault
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the error is back again! and i looked up on the wiki on how to use the windows version on Mac..too techy for the likes of me! sadly

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constant disconnection on Mac Steam

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an unexpected disconnection occurred message

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ok, nvm, just realised it was a patch being patched over

proud igloo
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Shared account merge, take 2.

lilac trail
glacial vault
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is it too late to do it now? can i move my acct from steam to stand alone if i download it?

proud igloo
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It is possible to have both a standalone email and a steam login for a PoE account; it's a single "PC" realm.

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If you don't have an existing standalone account you can associate an email in your account settings when logged in via Steam.

glacial vault
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does anyone here play on the standalone client? is it better ? i haven't had gameplay issues with steam as such..only login issues...

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also, what does multithreading do?

proud igloo
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In the Windows world, Standalone doesn't have too much of a difference from Steam.
The primary difference is that standalone has its own patcher and uses a "GGPK" pack format to hold all its bundle files, while the Steam release updates via Steam and has the files directly on disk.

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On the Mac side of things, the native standalone patcher is broken since this league started and requires manual intervention on every patch.

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If you're running the Windows version on MacOS, they're largely equivalent.

glacial vault
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umm...so if i get the standalone..i have to manually update everytime there is a release?

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it was too much to figure out running the windows on macos thing

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besides, is it safe?

proud igloo
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Multithreading is when a program can run several pieces of code at the same time.
In a PoE context, there's normally a number of background jobs that handle resource loading, running on different cores to speed things up. Disabling engine multithreading removes some or all of that.

glacial vault
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appreciate if you could dumb it down for me..for a tech-dinosaur like me, what is the best option on Mac?

proud igloo
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The best is the convoluted ways of running Windows PoE via one of the translation tools.
The worst one is native Standalone, as the patching experience is meh.
Native Steam is mid.
Both native choices have some unfortunate limitations.

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One subtle difference is that macOS PoE downloads shaders from the cloud so if you've got an unstable or limited network, things may be affected that way as well.

glacial vault
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ah! well, i will see if i can do the convoluted way...the wiki has some info..again it gives a few optins, what is the best amongst those?

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shaders?

proud igloo
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Prepared GPU code for things like object materials and visual effects.

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PoE ships with a baseline set of shaders and normally builds any that are needed on the fly.
Some clients don't have the power or programming to do so, which has them instead download prebuilt ones from servers.

glacial vault
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ok...

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i see this in the wiki...The 3 free options are Kegworks (KWS), portingkit (PK) and Apple's GPTK.

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which is recommended, and are they safe to use? i wont be exposing my computer to viruses and stuff?

proud igloo
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I think that last time I tried I went for portingkit, but that was before Kegworks appeared. I only really did it for testing, Bob's the local authority.

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On exposure, running anything from a third party has some amount of risk indeed.

glacial vault
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hmm!! i suppose that inlcudes steam too, right?

proud igloo
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Steam has some recourse when it comes to malware as publishing on Steam involves a fair amount of personal information. Open source software and loose programs from the Internet are less trustworthy in that way.

glacial vault
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well i went and re-read the wiki options for KWS...and it seems do-able if i just follow each step one by one...reading it all at one go was what was scary and forbidding but if i just follow the steps, maybe things would be ok

glacial vault
proud igloo
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I guess that if performance feels acceptable as it stands, the primary gain would be to tell if the disconnections are due to some quirk of the macOS game client; it might run more stable with the Windows client.

glacial vault
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got it! and MANY MANY THANKS for your help. you have so patiently typed out everything for me! much appreciated

proud igloo
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Right now it might be hard to get started as you'll need to download the installer from the website which is down for maintenance.

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If you get stuck somewhere, I'm sure there's peeps here that can advise.

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The patch servers themselves seem to be working, but that doesn't help if you don't have the installer 😄

glacial vault
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installer from the website? but the instructions on the wiki dont have anything for PoE website?

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ah ok, my bad! i guess the KWS client or whatever will download the stuff from the website!

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I guess we have to download the exe file manually first then? it doesnt say that in the steps on the wiki, but maybe the wiki authors didnt anticipate someone like me!!!

Select Install Software from the options. Select Choose Setup Executable. Select the PathOfExileInstaller.exe file (where-ever you downloaded it to from the GGG website).

lilac trail
# glacial vault installer from the website? but the instructions on the wiki dont have anything ...

You folk using Steam are so spoiled 🤣

The installer referred to is available on the Path of Exile website. There is a Windows one and a Mac one. The Windows one is what you will want to use with one of the options on the wiki.

portingkit is probably the most user friendly but KWS is ok as well. KWS doesn’t have as friendly a user GUI.

The steps in the wiki try to mirror the workflow steps a user would do and see. I toyed with doing screenshots but that became unwieldily.

If all goes well the migration should be done in another 2 hrs I think. Then you can give the Windows setup a go. Post here if you get stuck.

Oh - and yes the wiki wall of text can be scary but it does make sense once you done it 😁

glacial vault
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lol, thanks Bob! so, u recommend portingkit?

lilac trail
# proud igloo Is that really true? I haven't looked for myself but I assumed that all of nativ...

Ha ! You’re not going to get me to re-install the Mac standalone just to check that 🤣 I think the standalone does have multithreading still turned on. I don’t think it was turned off when the steam one was but I honestly don’t remember. It’s probably in the forum somewhere 🤔

Easiest thing is to avoid using the Mac clients. I’m sure it’s all part of GGG’s master plan to convert Mac users 😜

glacial vault
lilac trail
glacial vault
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ok...will try and do that. thanks so much

lilac trail
proud igloo
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zao@m1 ~ % df -h ~
Filesystem      Size    Used   Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused  Mounted on
/dev/disk3s1   228Gi   174Gi    38Gi    82%    1.1M  402M    0%   /System/Volumes/Data
zao@m1 ~ %
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Gonna be a tight fit for me to test 😄

glacial vault
proud igloo
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Not saying it's been a while, but my patcher says Sanctum 😛

glacial vault
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@lilac trail MBP 2023, M2 Pro chip, Sonoma

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16GB

proud igloo
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Dense patch notes ^_^

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glacial vault
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what is GOG account?

proud igloo
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@lilac trail I'll be damned, it at least displays as enabled:

Screenshot_2024-11-18_at_13.47.50.png
glacial vault
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i am installing portin kit and it was a question on that

lilac trail
proud igloo
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Good Old Games, an online video game storefront where you can buy DRM-free games.

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Not familiar with the question but it might be able to integrate and set up games you've bought from there or something. Should be irrelevant for PoE.

glacial vault
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ok, thanks! i will have to download the .exe before proceeding at this stage. so i will wait for poe site to be back

lilac trail
glacial vault
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yeah, that was the question, and i bypassed that option as it was optional anyway

lilac trail
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Yes. The developer made it an option as in some case the wrappers in PK go out and download the game files. As zao mentioned it is irrelevant for POE

glacial vault
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Bob, did you write the entire wiki page?

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it is so well written, so easy to follow (if not understand) even for tech dinos

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also on the wiki page it says, no need to uninstall the steam version of the poe client. so just leave that? or could i delete poe from within steam if i want to ? maybe i will wait to see this version running well for a few days and then can delete the Steam Poe from library.

lilac trail
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I did write it, at zao’s suggestion. All that information was in this thread but it wasn’t consolidated. I didn’t even know you could use the POE wiki in this fashion !

glacial vault
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wow! to both Zao and Bob! Many thanks

proud igloo
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Unrelated; I'm still on Sonoma 14.6.1. Maybe it's time to upgrade and see what breaks as is tradition in Mac land.

glacial vault
lilac trail
glacial vault
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will the loot filter thingy work after we do this portingkit install? or do we do it again seperately?

lilac trail
glacial vault
proud igloo
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This 256 gig SSD says no.

lilac trail
glacial vault
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do u guys work in IT or sth? or ur. just plain genuises?

proud igloo
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Decided between more storage and more RAM when I bought this old M1 Mini. I opted in favour of RAM.

glacial vault
lilac trail
proud igloo
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Decades of exposure to obscure horrors tends to lead to a bit of familiarity with everything.

glacial vault
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a supercomputer of sorts?

lilac trail
proud igloo
# glacial vault a supercomputer of sorts?

Yeah, these days a ton of individual servers with fast shared networking and storage. You take some piece of scientific software and the data for your experiment and throw at a fistful of servers to compute in concert.

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As such shared infrastructure is often magnitudes more powerful than a laptop in compute and memory, you can do Neat Science.

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(also horribly expensive GPUs these days for all the AI/ML shenanigans)

glacial vault
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what is Neat Science?

lilac trail
glacial vault
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yeah, but u guys r blindingly brilliant to my poor mind!

proud igloo
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Was kind of cool to see publications from our researchers that explicitly call out that they couldn't have reached those results without a system of the power that we had.

lilac trail
# glacial vault yeah, but u guys r blindingly brilliant to my poor mind!

nah - as zao says - we just go places and learn things. Some of them are even useful. There are other contributors in this forum. zap figured out where sound files actually need to be stored for filter sounds to work. Others figured out how to get Awakened POE trade working.

While you wait for maintenance to finish you might want to check out some of the other pinned messages

glacial vault
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so you basically farm out your computations to many powerful computers, each doing a bit and then bringing them all together? so simultaneously everything gets done?

lilac trail
proud igloo
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Pretty much, yeah. They can communicate during the job to share data, which means that you can divide the problem up in way more interesting ways.

glacial vault
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yeah, i have heard of SETI

lilac trail
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I gotta step out for a bit

proud igloo
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If all you've got is your laptop or a workstation under a desk somewhere in your office, you're going to be limited by time, the amount of CPUs and the amount of RAM you have.
Clusters both have individual compute server nodes that are larger than any normal PC, and also the ability to go wider across more nodes.

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Our last cluster is a bit aging now, but some of the machines there had 72-256 cores and upwards 3 TB of RAM.

glacial vault
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hmm! i can only guess at the computing power and speed. cant truly say i have any comprehension of the actual magnitudes

proud igloo
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For researchers, that can mean getting results to think about in a fraction of the time, or run more elaborate experiments with a finer timescale, longer timescale, or higher resolution.

glacial vault
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quick q: after the site is up, if i download the windows exe file, it will the latest right, with this new patch into it?

proud igloo
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It was great fun to act as support for the researchers that wanted to run something on the cluster - having essentially no clue about their fields and having to Google for everything 😄

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The installer is a small bootstrap package that will install the patcher and start downloading the live game.

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Maybe patching itself before that.

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It doesn't include a full game pack, just the parts needed to get itself going.

glacial vault
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oh! not the whole 40GB payload?

proud igloo
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Looking on my mac now, 24 megs.

glacial vault
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but i am setting it up from scratch now...ima use portingkit to do the windows version. so i think that might be a bigger file, no?

proud igloo
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24 megs is the Windows PathOfExileInstaller.exe.

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It only contains enough stuff to plonk down the patcher program itself; which is then run to obtain the rest of the game files.

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I'd share the EXE but I'd rather have that you obtain it from the website.

glacial vault
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is the website up now? i'll wait and get it

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i am excited to do this! i am new to POE itself, but with Steam, i have so many disconnection problems, i have to shut down steam, or clear cache and things like that

proud igloo
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Still down, we're 4h25m into the 5h estimate.

lilac trail
# glacial vault is the website up now? i'll wait and get it

A couple of things. First - do NOT use the pre made POE wrapper in portingkit. It doesn’t work anymore. You will need to create a custom wrapper. You should be able to find the custom wrapper icon in portingkit. That will be your starting point for POE setup

glacial vault
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ok!

lilac trail
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On your other question - leave the steam install intact unless you don’t have the disk space.

glacial vault
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this step?
5. portingkit will go through the wrapper setup. This may take a while depending on your system. When you see the POE install screen pop up click Install and let it run. If installed correctly you will see the "Installation complete" screen. Press close to continue.

lilac trail
glacial vault
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the website is back, i just downloaded the 22.9MB exe..ima start the process...Hope you guys will be here in case i need help!! @lilac trail and @proud igloo

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oh the custom port? i am just going to follow the wiki step by step

lilac trail
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Yes the custom port. I am not in front of a computer so I’ll be going off memory to help. It’s fine most of the time (my memory). You can send screenshots if you get stuck. I will create a conversation thread and we can use that instead of the main channel

glacial vault
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installing!! 🤞

lilac trail
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POE via PK

tropic mountain
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anyone else just constantly crashing after the patch?

proud igloo
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Haven't tested. Which way do you run the game and have you reported it?

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Also, crash or disconnect?

glacial vault
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yeah both happenign to me

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crash as well as disconnect...i am uising steam still, while downloading the windows version. 54% done, still ways to go..quite slow

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after many disconnects when i finally connectd, it crashed twice so far

edgy jacinth
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yes also constantly crashing

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disconnects in game and also disallows me to log on

glacial vault
edgy jacinth
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that was through steam

glacial vault
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ditto again!

edgy jacinth
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and now wait my kegworks isn't working anymore

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says something about not being able to update and maybe needing to restart my computer

glacial vault
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oh no!! i am just installing portingkit...its a bloody slow process.. i hhave been sitting here for hrs. and its only done 60 odd %

edgy jacinth
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do i have to reinstall the kegworks game version after every update, from scratch?

glacial vault
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no, wait...there is a workaround

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go to the pinned msgs and see...Bob has given a solution

edgy jacinth
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of course he has. all hail bob.

glacial vault
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indeed, All Hail Bob!! he's been helping me with my porting kit install! he's such a dear!

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and so is zao!

edgy jacinth
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lol i just checked the forum. they formally broke the macos client with the latest patch

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it just randomly crashes when you're in game now. totally unusable

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Uh oh the bob solution for updating without redownloading the 40gb file isn't working.. oh well.

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at this step: "Go into the Path of Exile.app directory (/Users/username/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile/). Unhide the Library folder first ! Move the .app file to Trash bin." - there's no .app file

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there's a .app file in "username/Applications/kegworks"

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but not the same thing

glacial vault
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oh!!

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i posted on that thread too

glacial vault
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@edgy jacinth any luck buddy? were u able to login?

edgy jacinth
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nope i'm trying downloading the mac version directly, not with steam

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then i'll do a complete new kegworks install, even though that will take forever lol

glacial vault
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ah! yeah, its taking me forever iwth porting

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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they redeployed an update today, and now everything seems broken

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there's a forum post that regular mac users are getting random crashes; both the steam and straight mac download aren't working

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and so i tried to use my kegworks app I created, but that won't work either because of the update

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so I tried to follow your update pinned message but I can't

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that's where I'm at 🙂

lilac trail
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I know about the redeployment. What error r u getting ?

edgy jacinth
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when i tried to open up the kegworks app it said something briefly about an update not going through and to try restarting my computer

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now when i try to open it nothing happens

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so i can't copy/paste the error directly

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I tried to follow your pinned msg for how to update, but that isn't working

proud igloo
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Mac gang being seen:

Thanks for your reports, we're looking into this.

edgy jacinth
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the kegswork PoE app I made

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oooooh wow GGG paying attention to mac users!

lilac trail
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I think you are trying the wrong one

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That is the one for KWS

edgy jacinth
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got it. where is the file "Change the PathOfExile.tmp to PathofExile.exe"

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in my kegworks folder there's only the .app it made for PoE

lilac trail
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Oh grasshopper …. right click the KWS icon. Select Show Package Contents

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In the Contents folder is there a drive_c folder or something ?

edgy jacinth
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yes im there

lilac trail
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Is there the usual x86 directory ?

edgy jacinth
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i figured it out! it's updating!

lilac trail
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😁

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It was in the Path of Exile folder within the drive_c folder yes ?

edgy jacinth
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it was in program files x86, grinding gear games, path of exile

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within the drive_c

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how did you ever figure that out???

glacial vault
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he's a genuis?

lilac trail
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Because that is the Windows path for the Windows install. I need to update that pinned post. Maybe I should build another wiki page. The pinned messages are not very clear - especially for the app formerly known as WS 😜

lilac trail
tropic mountain
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still crashing this morning

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:/

lilac trail
tropic mountain
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no mac client

lilac trail
# tropic mountain no mac client

There’s the issue. Both Mac clients for POE have been broken for sometime. Steam is even worse.

Stop using it. Switch to one of the Windows options outlined on the wiki page which is a pinned message (should be the first one). Don’t be afraid of the wall of text there. All solution are free to use except Crossover (which you can get on Sale at Black Friday or use TOM23 for a 20% discount outside of sale windows). Which to use is a matter of personal choice.

subtle breach
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hi everyone, Will "standalone windows client on mac os" work for path of exile 2? There seems to be no real reason for it not to work

lilac trail
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It should work. It will be tested when it’s released since I’m guessing someone will be playing EA.

fossil dock
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I will be playing EA, when I get something to report - I report here

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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now i'm getting unexpected disconnections from the kegworks app, uh oh

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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california is 8ms

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weird

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ooh I think it might have been because I was using little snitch, it may have blocked the app somehow, just tried a fix

lilac trail
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I’m surprised more people haven’t moved off of the Mac clients yet. The experience is beyond crappy. Posted in the forum this morning so people know there are alternatives. Only one person seems to have been interested. The others just seem to want to complain 😁

fossil dock
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but I think "native" will have to many problems... and never been fixed

ember heath
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thank you guys. been crashing the whole morning. and found the forum people mentioned you wiki page. now it is downloading that 40 G files in a snail crawling speed

glacial vault
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Yes, it is a slow speed but even a completely tech dinosaur like me managed to install the windows version on my Mac thanks to portingkit and Bob's ahem handholding

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i couldnt play the whole day yday, it took me more than 5 hrs to download despite my high speed internet, but worth it - if anyont is still mulling over getting the windows client

lilac trail
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I got told off in one of the forum posts for "spamming" a link to the wiki page and calling it a solution instead of a workaround. Oh and that the workarounds won't work on an M1 anyway (despite the statement on the wiki that they've been tested on one). Apparently you can't help some people and they are butt hurt or something when you offer something that will get them back to playing the game - WTF 🤨

lilac trail
# ember heath thank you guys. been crashing the whole morning. and found the forum people ment...

Make sure you note your Graphics settings in Steam for POE. They will change (probably for the better) with the Windows stand alone client. You may need to tweak some including the network.
There is also a neat trick you can do with a virtua ldisplay program to run your game resolution at a higher resolution than your monitor is capable of but run POE to your satisfaction before you start playing with that 🙂

cyan crown
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hey, in using the Kegworks (KWS) Setup from the wiki.
is there any way to make the game download faster? I have 1GB connection but the download is jumping around 5mb
also, why not use the steam (windows) client with KWS?

lilac trail
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You can't make the download any faster. This is something on the GGG side. Either a network issue or they've intentionally throttled it.
I don't have Windows so I can't test a Windows Steam install or document the install process. You could try it and let us know how it goes. I also prefer the standalone version to the Steam version but that's just personal preference.

cyan crown
lilac trail
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That would be good to see. It is entirely possible the Steam install is faster than the standalone GGG patcher for sure. Not cool even if that is the explanation. GGG's server shouldn't suck compared to a 3rd party.
Please document the Steam setup so others could use that if they prefer compared to the 4 current options.

cyan crown
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ye, hopefully GGG will fix the mac clients, I prefer to run the native one

lilac trail
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You know the Mac clients have been broken since 3.17 so about that "fix" ....

cyan crown
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really? i was plying the current league on my mac with the steam client. it was great

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except the russian roulette of logging in....

lilac trail
glacial vault
lilac trail
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Correct - it isn't till you are in maps running juiced content that you would notice it. Once you get there you'd notice the hit

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Hey @atomic herald - are you still running on Monterey wit hthe standalone clieny. Any issues ?

atomic herald
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havent been playing for some weeks, but last time i logged in worked fine

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update window is a bit fun 😛

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proud igloo
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Feature for cool people.

atomic herald
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crashing

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3rd time i made it to my hideout, so i guess its working

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i go to bed now, but now u know anyway - still standalone Monterey is working, not perf, not that good, but working i guess

lilac trail
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Crashing is new is it not ? I thought it was running fine, including not having the update issue everyone has to deal with ?

atomic herald
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well, after an update it can crash a few times before its running

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has happened earlier, and i just reopen and its like it has to figure out how a few times xD

cyan crown
lilac trail
glacial vault
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does anyone else have image quality issues using windows client on mac vs steam on mac? i recenlty migrated but have a poorer image rendering. despite the res being higher on the standalone windows . using portingkit

edgy jacinth
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yes my first time it looked terrible. you just need to fiddle with all the graphics settings

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try switching them all to different settings, reading through the help recommendations

glacial vault
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umm...what were the settings tht finally worked for u?

glacial vault
edgy jacinth
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(for those of you in the future wondering, i did dm them a screenshot or two and a conversation ensued)

lilac trail
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Now - where is the PoB one ?

proud igloo
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I think Local has been on some community podcast streams in the past, as has some wiki peeps.

lilac trail
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There are some mind blowing stats on traffic 👍

Someone posted the system requirements for POE 2 on Steam and we’re having a melt down because there were no Mac specs on there and leapt to the conclusion POE 2 won’t be playable on a Mac. Clearly they don’t know of the alternative options to play 🤔

lilac trail
edgy jacinth
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writing appears to be on the wall - post on reddit saying the steam version of PoE 2 does not show mac support

subtle breach
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look like porting is only option to play poe 2 with MacOS. Looks like mac client will not exist, gee force now from January will be limited by 100 hours a month.

lilac trail
lilac trail
glacial vault
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Yes, to update: simply restarting Portingkit fixed all my resolution issues. the game is butter smooth on the Windows client using Portingkit, with better than Steam graphics, actually.

subtle breach
lilac trail
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Wow - the most thinly disguised cash grab in history 🤣 There are a lot of addicts out there that will pay the extra price. I doubt they are doing it to reduce the number of bots farming in games

cyan crown
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so, what are we doing about poe-awakened-trade?

lilac trail
balmy laurel
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I use the Mac version of APT just fine with my Wineskin PoE

subtle breach
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just for statistic. Succesfully launched with Apple GPTK version, thanks a lot for helping. And I am really surprised by perfomance. It is significantly better then maco os steam client

cyan crown
balmy laurel
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Not that I remember… what kind of settings?

cyan crown
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because when I use it like you describe, I have many weird artifacts on the screen

lilac trail
subtle breach
cyan crown
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is GPTK runs better?

subtle breach
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i dont know, but if you have m1 proc or higher you can try

lilac trail
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The GPTK version doesn't run any better than any of the other options. They are all roughly the same, at least on my M1 Max with 64GB and a 500MB Ethernet connection. Had one report that someone got 125FPS with either KWS or PK but that was a once off.

lilac trail
lilac trail
cyan crown
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ok ty

subtle breach
lilac trail
subtle breach
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yup, thanks why im really apprisiated this guide. A little bit surprised that most of people dont want to spent some time and try

lilac trail
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Some people think if they use one of the options then that is letting GGG off the hook in not providing a native Mac client. It's an odd stance to take when alternatives are presented to them.

The number of people on the forums that continue to post even though the wiki and the discord links have been provided multiple times is just plain weird. The more people that post on reddit, X and the forum that the guide is real and works might encourage others but there will always be people who just can't bring themselves to take the steps needed.

Ultimately it boils down to - do you want to play the game or not !

hybrid edge
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So, are we expecting no macOS for early access since the requirements were removed?

hybrid edge
hybrid edge
lilac trail
glacial vault
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so while in order to play the game, we do need to use these alternatives, the fact that we do that also means GGG doesnt really need to bother with mac users.

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cos they will anyway find an alternative!

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am not complaining! grateful enough for the alternative myself, just stating the logic behind thats all

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so i guess the best thing to do is use one of the alternate options, and then complain!! kek

hybrid edge
lilac trail
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We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes but I doubt GGG are actively conspiring against Mac users.

If we took an honest look in the mirror we’d have to admit that Mac are the smallest market segment out there for gaming. Statistically there are more Linux based users.

So if you have finite resources you going to allocate them to PC, Xbox and PS first. Then maybe a native Mac client. It is what it is.

I’ll use a different example to BG3 - Diablo IV. Blizzard had a Mac client for D3. Mac users such as myself assumed Blizzard would naturally have a Mac client too. Then they dropped the bombshell - no Mac client. If a company the size of Blizzard decides against making a new Mac client when they already had the base to do another one, why would a company not even 1\10 the size make one ?

Ironically it didn’t help that Apple jumped ship and made their own CPU architecture. It’s wildly different to the Intel design which means a complete re-write.

I suspect it’s on GGG development agenda somewhere, just not in time for EA and possibly many months after general release, just like BG3

lilac trail
scenic belfry
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Guys I can’t import my build to pob it keeps saying account set to private but it’s not anyone else having this issue?

proud igloo
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If the macOS packaging of PoB is a bit behind, you need to make that version be up to date somehow 😄

scenic belfry
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It’s working

hybrid edge
proud igloo
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Path of Building, the third party build planning tool.

sturdy scarab
proud igloo
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myep

balmy laurel
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uggh i've forgotten how painful mac APT is to get going on mac. I've realised im using an old version from ~10 months ago. it has major issues with Accessibility settings

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does anyone use windows APT via whichever method they play poe?

lilac trail
balmy laurel
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yes thats the one Ive just downloaded

lilac trail
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OK. So make sure the old one is totally removed first

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Totally removed. No sign of it anywhere 🙂

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Then install the new one

balmy laurel
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does no sign of it anywhere = move application to bin + empty bin?

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or is there some other sneaky stuff i have to do

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ok ive also removed it from accessibility settings as well

lilac trail
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I think it is self contained. I don't have the link to the Mac version on the forum anymore. There used to be a list of places to look. I think you will be safe if you drag it to the bin and empty it

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Ah yes that too

balmy laurel
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this link?

lilac trail
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Yeah that is the one

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Removal look like it is basically delete from Applications folder

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I could be wrong but I think @gordon got the windows version of APT running. It might have ben someone else. I'm sure they'll tell us if that was or was not the case. There is some key remapping required for the Windows version. Might be even more fiddly then the Mac version

balmy laurel
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ok installed it. tried to open. Only gives me a Move to Bin option. I got to security settings and click the open anyway option. then it starts having a heart attack about accessibility options again

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ive tried removing and readding but that does seem to do anything

lilac trail
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From memory you have to click the accessibility access on and off several times

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There is also an error message that pops up yes ? You have to click that a few times for it to go away as well

balmy laurel
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Lost count of the number of times / ways / methods I’ve tried and no luck.

lilac trail
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Did you try some of the commands in the forum ?

ember heath
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help! just install the window version accroding to Bob's recommendation

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but today seem has a new update

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now it is not woring!

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do i have to reinstall again?

fossil dock
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What problem you see?

ember heath
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i get fixed by folow another pin!

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thank you!

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it is the update. i need to change the .exe file

lilac trail
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Yeah - it’s another annoying bug. It doesn’t happen if you r using GPTK or Crossover as far as I know. Glad to hear the pinned messages are helpful 👍

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Now - if only Awakened POE trade for Mac would install and run reliably.

@gordon - didn’t you get the Windows version of APT going or was that someone else ?

cyan crown
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Just needed to restart my Mac to make APT work, after it was stuck in a loop of asking for accessability

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@balmy laurel @lilac trail

lilac trail
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I don't understand why APT has so many issues. It shouldn't be as hard as it is to have it run but I'm not a developer so 🤷‍♂️

The ghost graphics is a documented issue on the github page. There is also a workaround to get APT going on a Mac that may or may not work for everyone.

@balmy laurel - have you tired this - https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade/issues/1439

GitHub
App does not open after given it Accessibility Access in the Mac M1...

After installing app, I give it required Accessibility Access in the Accessibility settings. But after re-run app with given permission it still crushed with the same error What I'm doing incor...

fossil dock
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APT author won't support osx, main reason - he don't have mac

lilac trail
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Really - ok but he does not have to own a Mac these days. He could run a Mac VM

fossil dock
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Interesting, they remove mac-os support from steam for poe2....

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It's look really bad

lilac trail
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Considering the state of Mac clients in the current version of POE that is not at all surprising. Tey clearly have no expertise in it. It would be far better to put the big boy pants on and just come out and say they can't support the Mac platform rather than just pretending they do. The forum is a graveyard of issues.

What is more bizarre though is that some players just flat out refuse to try the alternatives outlined on the wiki. Instead of playing the game via a different method it seems they'd rather not play at all and bitch at GGG.

fossil dock
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Yes, I agree with you... current state of mac client is really bad... I pray that poe2 will work via crossover or any other wine-like layer

lilac trail
# fossil dock APT author won't support osx, main reason - he don't have mac

I installed the Windows version of APT on Crossover a while ago. Likely it will works with the other apps as well. The problem is that the keyboard keys don't work.

You can't get the overlay to come up in POE. Is there someway to get this working ? Someone far cleverer than I (which is not hard) must know hwo to get the overlay and key commands going in CO, KWS or PK 🤞

lilac trail
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Does POE 2 use ray tracing - that would be cool since GPTK 2.0 has support for it

subtle breach
dense crystal
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hey guys, does anyone play with winetricks keg?

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everything is working but the resolution just wont change for the life of me, even tried changing the values in the config file and then making it read only. didnt do the trick either

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would love to hear anyones advice for this issue

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i have literally spent the last 3 days finding ways to actually play this "mac supported" game, but it seems like the mac support was anything but reality. after playing the game for 110 hours in the past week. im feeling a bit sad to see that this will probably be as bad for poe2 as for poe1. and i'd hate to quit the game. but i refuse to sit in front of my laptop for 30 minutes trying to figure out another new way of playing the game

lilac trail
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Not sure what you are asking - are you asking if anyone has setup POE using Kegworks ? The answer to that is yes. There is a pinned message how to setup POE using Kegworks.

Have you restarted Kegworks and or your computer ?

dense crystal
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the only thing i havent done yet is restart the laptop. i have spent some time trying to reconfig from the ground up. everything works perfectly except for graphics. im playing ona 16' screen, but qualty is capped at 1700x1117

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and i know i should be happy with what i have. but like the game looks like it came out of the 90's now 😂

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no hate to GGG

lilac trail
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First thing to do is restart Kegworks. If that doesn't/didn't work then restart your computer and see if that releases something so you can set graphics correctly.

Also what graphics is your system capable of and what are you looking to run at ?

dense crystal
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so im using an m3pro macbook pro, and i ran it on 50%.

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which was the lowest setting

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and that ran as smooth as butter ( untill t16's ofc )

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and kegworks is not open, when im playing the game. how would i restart that?

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( ill restart my laptop regardless )

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just restarted, lets see

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no luck, still getting this

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lilac trail
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What is the maximum resolution your system is capable of though ?

dense crystal
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3456 pixels width. 2234 pixels height

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😂

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and in the game it says my screen is 1728x1117

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the steam version did see it normally, hence my suspicioun that its on the wine side of things

lilac trail
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Another player - @reborn had a similar issue using portingkit. A restart solved their issue. Would have expected same here

dense crystal
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yeah me too

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but sadly nothing

lilac trail
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This is unlikely to be something with WINE. The graphics is being read by the game. POE thinks that is all your system is capable of.

Check the display resolution setting in Display under settings. What is it set to

dense crystal
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i do have an extension running called better display

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BRUH

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as a programmer, im feeling insanely atechnical rn

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....

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my apologies for all this

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truly

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the thng is lmao, if i set it to max res. everything becomes super small

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😂

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so now i need to find a way to keep the screen size big. but only for the game

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cuz otherwise this is what my screen looks like

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lilac trail
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What about using the 2056x1329 ? I run at that res even though I could go higher (it's too smal for me as well at that resolution)

dense crystal
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that should work too yeah. but i think this will be fine. after finishing the game ill just resize my screen again

lilac trail
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Oh and there is a way you can run the game at a higher resolution than what your primary resolution is set at. How much memory have you got on your system ?

dense crystal
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18gb tops

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so i cannot run this game at max graphics. itll blow up at anything higher then t5 maps

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😂

lilac trail
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Never say never .... there is a pinned message you should go take a look at. There is a free program called BetterDisplay (it has a paid version too but you don't need it). This program allows you to create a virtual monitor. The virtual monitor can run at a resolution you specify (to a certain point).

You set the primary monitor to mirror the virtual one. POE will take the virtual monitor setting (you may have to set it to that) and you can run it at a higher resolution.

When you stop the game the monitor resolution will go back to whatever your primary is using 👍

dense crystal
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i use betterdisplay heheh

lilac trail
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You're halfway there then. Read the pinned message and you should be good to go.

dense crystal
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thank you for your help man

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❤️

lilac trail
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👍

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That's what this channel is for

dense crystal
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hahah yepp, was rlly helpful

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fingers crossed for poe2

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rlly dont want to be playing on xbox

lilac trail
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Sorry - I missed your post where you said you used BetterDisplay 😜

dense crystal
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XD

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but its in the top right ^^

hybrid edge
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Have we recorded an actual confirmation that Early Access won’t be available for macOS? Has anyone in the dev team written that here? How do we contact and ask? Surely one of them could just say “hey, yeah no it won’t make it for EA or EA for Mac delayed, or even PoE2 for Mac cancelled”?

lilac trail
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You can send an email to the support team asking about what the requirements will be for those using a Mac to play POE 2

hybrid edge
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Latina Studios never did that. They were up front with everything.

proud igloo
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Live stream in ~11h, if you're not counting down already for some reason.

edgy jacinth
balmy laurel
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Something new that has started happening is that when i Alt Tab to something else (ie browser), POE now minimises. It used to just stay up with whatever I tabbed to opening up in front.

proud igloo
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ZiggyD was crowd sourcing questions for the Q&A, might want to engage there if its still open.

lilac trail
lilac trail
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Wiki page has been updated to include the patching process workaround for Windows clients and a note that the same software can be used to setup Windows version of PoB on a Mac.

In testing with @glacial vault yesterday it was discovered that PK does not allow 2 Wine processes to run at the same time. This was a surprise. It doesn’t happen with KWS, Co and probably GPTK. Odd but true. Might be a way to do so but not going to bother since KWS and CO are workable alternatives.

The discord link was also updated to a link that should always be valid.

It would be interesting to see what traffic thar page actually gets (apart from me updating it). I don’t know a way of doing that.

lilac trail
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Now if someone can just get APT for Windows working on a Mac so we can ditch the Mac port, it would usher in the golden age 😁

lilac trail
lilac trail
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Seems to be a server issue for patch - "Disconnected from patching server before patching completed. Try again"

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Oh - down for maintenace I guess

proud igloo
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That tends to happen right as the patch and infrastructure is deploying.

lilac trail
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Yes - I just went to the website and got the message. My bad not paying attention - I'm playing another game right now 😏

ember heath
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LOL

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is it still down? are we able to update now?

lilac trail
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You can update now

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40 minutes from now is the live stream I think

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Update is 4.3GB

full temple
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hope they fix mac

lilac trail
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🤣

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The patch is only for upcoming support packs and POE 2 announcements

full temple
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mac is unplayable

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i have a old pc i been using

lilac trail
full temple
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dont think you can with m1

lilac trail
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You most certainly can - look at the first pinned message and go check out the wiki page it refers to

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What is your system config - even a MB Air with 8GB can run Windows version of POE - all at lowest settings granted but it runs well enough

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Something to do while you wait for the live feed to come up 🙂

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Is the update being delivered by courier pigeon ? I'm on a 500MB Fiber connection - currently sitting between 0B/s - 5MB/s

glacial vault
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full temple
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new update dont work either

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same problem as before

lilac trail
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It's all part of the GGG masterplan - kick off the patch. Watch live stream. Come back and patch process will be finished 👍 See how they did that 😁

lilac trail
full temple
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im on m1 mac

lilac trail
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How did you even get that far - the patch update is still running as far as I can tell

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The official forum already has a case opened for the patch speed. Is the CDN being run out of Diary Queen’s basement somewhere 🤨

dense crystal
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hey guys

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im updating the new patch

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but the mbps keeps going to zero

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even tho i have 200mbps internet speeds at home rn

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is this a normal thing, the initial download never went to 0, so im a little confused as to why the patch would

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( using keg )

lilac trail
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It's not normal. There are posts in the Technical support section on the forum

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The live stream is running on twitch at the moment. Nice cinematics so far

dense crystal
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i cant seem to find it really

edgy jacinth
lilac trail
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It's on the Path of Exile home page

dense crystal
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i just see isues, no res

lilac trail
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There is no resolution. Something is very wrong. Even the Twitch stream is jittery

edgy jacinth
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yeah the live stream is messed up lol

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not a good look

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maybe not their fault tho

dense crystal
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lmaoo

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is it freezing for u guys too?

edgy jacinth
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it just stopped

glacial vault
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wow, my patch download just timed out!

edgy jacinth
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i don't think they should have done the patch and livestream at the same time

dense crystal
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lmaoo

edgy jacinth
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playing with fire

glacial vault
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cant be bothered abt the live stream! cant even download the patch

lilac trail
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This isn't good

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The Twitch stream has crashed

glacial vault
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they mined themselves!

dense crystal
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it means they know they need to fix

glacial vault
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will poe2 be on different servers?

lilac trail
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Already have my character types - Ranger or Mercenary !

hybrid edge
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Was there any information about a macOS build for early access?

edgy jacinth
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not yet

lilac trail
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I expect system requirements and how you get access to EA will be at the end of the stream

lilac trail
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Supporter Packs are in the store

hybrid edge
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Did anyone ask ziggy about macOS?

lilac trail
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It's just started. There was no mention of system requirements in the preview

dense crystal
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someone link me if they do

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imma play poe1 again

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xD

glacial vault
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oh. my patch got downloaded

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hurrah

dense crystal
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same here

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went quite fast now

lilac trail
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I asked in chat - no idea if it will get answered live or they will send a note to Twitch account. Asked the following "will there be a native Mac client for EA. Is EA Steam only or will there be a standalone client as well"

glacial vault
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but game crashed while playing!

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first time everything on screen just froze!!!

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and it crashed

hybrid edge
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God, listening to these three guys talk and not mention the EA itself is so frustrating, lol. I just wanna yell at the screen "MENTION MAC"

lilac trail
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Tell me when they actually start answering questions. This is pretty boring

hybrid edge
glacial vault
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u guys actually watching the stream? nice! it will be up on YT or somehwere later, i presume?

hybrid edge
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They mention it might take 6 months or more until release. Might even be a whole year.
So if macOS doesn't get EA it's a release in 6-12 months.

lilac trail
hybrid edge
glacial vault
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whats EA?

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nvm, early access?

hybrid edge
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Jesus christ.

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All I want is the answer to one question

lilac trail
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Ha ha - I had to step out for 20 minutes and they are still prattling on 🤣 I assume this is going to be posted. I'm hoping off. The twitch drop looks like crap. Unless there is a stand alone client then I won't be playing EA. Starting answering questions instead of pissing in each others pocket. I went info, not some fireside chat. ZiggyD drives me nuts

hybrid edge
proud igloo