mac-os🍎

[lilac trail]

Is that all it shows in the drop down or are there more to try ?

[proud igloo]

Smells like you peeps may have some global state in your home directory dotfiles or Application Support?

[viral flame]

but did you try with d3dtometal ticked too?

rendered 100% correctly set to DirectX12?

Regarding the engines, important point to add is that I did it on a fresh install of MacOS on my M2 Pro and I only had those 4. I erased everything because I messed up a lot with Portingkit.

[azure ridge]

theres only 4 engines, theyre listed in the repo

yes metal enabled

the engines here

DirectX11 works straight away but the FPS is terrible

[lilac trail]

I would expect more engine options. I did not have the rc engine as an option on my primary partition but it did show up on my test partition. No clue why you get different engine options.

If you are on Reddit I would post in r/Winehq, r/wine_gaming and r/macgaming

The developer of WS is active there (u/Gcenx)

Other option is to create a second partition on your Mac. Install an OS (I have Sequoia) and then WS. I found I got 80FPS on my test partition but only 60FPS with same software on my primary.

Setting up a 2nd partition is fairly easy. There is an Apple support article for it that I followed. Doesn’t chew a lot of extra disk space either.

[lilac trail]

So WS works if you use DirectX11 instead of DirectX12 ?

[azure ridge]

yeah

[lilac trail]

hmmm … what OS is the WS bottle ? W10 should be ok but you can change that to W11 and see if that makes a difference

[azure ridge]

its whatever the default is for wineskin winery in your install instructions

the same as you'd have installed

[lilac trail]

There is also another “option” you might like to try. You can setup a virtual Mac using UTM. UTM is free - https://getutm.app/

I use it to run arcade games on

[azure ridge]

nah im good man, ive tried like 4 different apps at this point - at least ive narrowed it down to a d3d12 problem

[lilac trail]

I think it defaults to W10.

[lilac trail]

Fair enough. Hard to believe none of them work for you 😬

[lilac trail]

When you use DX11 do you still have D3DMetal checked ? If so try it without that check mark.

[viral flame]

Well, erasing your Mac and trying on a tabula rasa is an option too, if you're up for it.

[azure ridge]

already decided that im not gonna do that

[viral flame]

geforce now is always an option, but rip awakened poe trade then

unless you're willing to spend ample time copying text and pricechecking by hand

[azure ridge]

rather play on single-thread cooked steam version than without awakened poe

[viral flame]

what about the native client?

doesn't it work for you?

[azure ridge]

nah

not after that latest hotfix

[plucky swallow]

for a few days the problem witn instance happening to me, right after I deleted and reinstalled poe, was ok when I donwloaded it before league start: the problem is solved by trying to play button, restart poe until loading screen and classes' models are non low textured

tried different start commands nothing helped

[lilac trail]

What is the issue for you on native standalone ?

[azure ridge]

update loop

.

[broken vector]

it's what i've been doing

just due to the fact that i don't want to go through that (potential) troubleshooting hell

but i think i'll shed a tear if i ever see this game at a smooth framerate again

[azure ridge]

yeah same lol

i was doing t13+ the other night and started to tick-frame real bad especially when the map is juiced

luckily my build is kinda speedy and im meant to just click everywhere on the screen & shoot around

eventually everything dies

[broken vector]

yeah i gotta play it slow on hc.. things like delirium or that one red settler node really kill the fps

[azure ridge]

cant imagine doing hardcore on single thread

[broken vector]

and i gotta restart the game like 12 times till i get into it successfully

i reckon the number is higher actually

[azure ridge]

theres a method to it

[broken vector]

tell me pls

[azure ridge]

when the character screen shows up make sure u can see the models correctly, if they are super blurry just quit the game and reopen it

thatll save u some time trying to load in and still crash

sometimes i see the proper models on second load, sometimes it takes 3 or 4 but its much quicker than trying to load in every time and getting mad at crashes

[broken vector]

i slightly can tell, but my render resolution is already at 57% so the difference isn't obvious

but thx i think it helps

[viral flame]

it's not -THAT- hard, especially the simpler methods like wineskin. IMO worth a try.

and cleanup (again, for the simpler methods) is easy too.

[lilac trail]

Can you provide a screenshot. I am not sure what you mean by update loop. There are 2 challenges with the standalone. I’ve had to use both on occasion.

[lilac trail]

It will take you less than 5 minutes to setup the WS wrapper. The most time is because of the download of 40GB, which is slow, even on a Fiber connection. You’re going to get 40FPS or higher, plus APT works. You owe it to your sanity to give it a shot. GGG ain’t fixing this.

[azure ridge]

i start the program, the hotfix starts to apply

goes to start the game, crashes

i start the program, the hotfix starts to apply

the latest 40mb patch

[lilac trail]

So no error message about unable to open or a damaged file ?

[azure ridge]

nah its not damaged

u can see people on the forums talking about it too, its not just me

[lilac trail]

Uh. I removed all my installs except for the GPTK one yesterday, so I officially only have the one setup but even when I had the standalone that never happened. When it happened did you remove update.dat, Hashcache.date and the executable (not Content.ggpk) and try again ?

Also when it happens what does the security setting in the privacy tab say. Is Path of Exile blocked ?

[azure ridge]

no its not blocked, ive tried removing it off my system entirely and reinstalling from the dmg file

[lilac trail]

I’ll see if I can replicate it. Do you have a link to a forum post handy as well ?

[azure ridge]

delete everything associated with your macos native poe installation

thats all you need to do to replicate

which i dont know why you would, it will break it

thats the first thing i did when the hotfix broke it, i deleted absolutely everything and restarted my computer then downloaded the DMG and tried to install

and it just loops that 40mb patch and doesnt even try and download the full game

[azure ridge]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3532615/page/1

looks like its been happening for a while

fixed the redownload, youve gotta move the file to bin then back to ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile`

now its starting a fresh download of the standalone macos client

[lilac trail]

The Path of Exile executable right ?

It's kicking off a full install of the 40GB+ ? 😬

[azure ridge]

yeah

you run the installer dmg, it downloads a 40mb patch and says its corrupted and you should move it to trash, click move to trash, then go and manually paste it in that directory ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile`

and run it straight from there, itll start the real download

[lilac trail]

This is the annoying thing about this issue - you have a slightly different version of the same underlying issue. Because you did not have the same symptoms I assumed this fix wouldn't work for you - #mac-os🍎 message

There was a post for the issue you have but discord sucks at searches. The second solution is closer to what you reported. It also avoids the whole 40GB+ download rubbish apparently -
#mac-os🍎 message

Oh - and DON'T use a cleaner app. Those are mostly useless. Plus there is a pinned post on how to remove the standalone files from your system that is IMHO much safer to use. I'm not sure it is actually necessary to remove all the other files anyway. Might be better off leaving them there.

I might ask to have these pinned though I think I'm burning through the goodwill of the moderator with all the posts I've asked to be pinned 😛

[lilac trail]

Is the standlone working now ? I'm trying the second method but won't be able to test if it avoids a full download till the next patch comes out but it certainly works for performing an install from scratch.

There are at last count 6 options to work around the mess the Steam client for MAC is. Bizarrely they don't all seem to work for everyone, but hopefully one of them will. They are in no order of preference, though 3-5 are the easiest to set up (#1 would be except for the issues it has).

1. Standalone client (with at least 2 methods to resolve the update issues).
2. Apple GPTK.
3. portingkit (PK).
4. Wineskin (WS).
5. Crossover.
6. GFN (others have mentioned it. No direct experience).

I believe APT will work with all of them, even GFN. I remember reading a post the other day on how to get it going. I believe it involves using a VPN and some sort of port forwarding. I will see if I can find it again.

[atomic herald]

i have no update issues on standalone

i wonder if maybe someone has forgot to open up to install from other places than apple in the system options?

or that is basic knowledge i guess

[lilac trail]

You are still running Monterey though. All this rubbish started on the OS after that. If you upgraded you would have the same issues, which is a good reason not to upgraqde if you don't have to 👍

[azure ridge]

ill know soon

[atomic herald]

aaah yea, and there is an option for others to create a second part of the HD with lower macOS on, if ppl didnt know about this. But the performance on poe isnt rly that good with mac install anyway, to install or run the pc-format is better if ppl want to do that

[lilac trail]

Ouch. My setup has finished. It fired up and was able to get 60FPS in HO. I'd expect that drop to 35-40 in maps and other activities which is as much as you can get given the Mac client has an FPS cap.

[viral flame]

The cap doesn't affect the lows however, does it.

[lilac trail]

No - it just means you will never see an FPS above 60 with the stand alone. I don't use Steam so I don't know if it was possible to go above 60FPS with it but I suspect not as it would be the same client as the standalone I assume.

[viral flame]

One funny thing I noticed is how the WS version eats up WAY LESS RAM on my machine than the native.

[broken vector]

so wineskin is the way to go yeah?

bob convinced me

i can't keep restarting poe to finally get in 20 times

[lilac trail]

Try WS or PK first. WS is a litlte less GUI friendly but the pinned message on how to get it going should get you to the finish line. When you get to the selecting the engine post a screenshot of what engine options you see. The engine is the trickies part. You can change it easily enough if it is not the correct one. It certainly beats what you are putting up with now.
The standalone should be an option as well but it is glitchy to get going and maintain so try WS first.

Find it - this is a guide on how to use APT with GFN - the user uses a Mac so it definitely applies - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ecjwna/psa_use_awakened_trade_in_browser_to_make_life/

[broken vector]

the one from yesterday yeah

here were the other options

[lilac trail]

APT on GFN - this is a guide on how to use APT with GFN - the user uses a Mac so it definitely applies - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1ecjwna/psa_use_awakened_trade_in_browser_to_make_life/

Read all the comments section first. You could use something other than ngrok for the same results. Personally it was too much fiddling for me to try out but maybe someone else has the patience to do so

[lilac trail]

Try this one first. What is your os VERSION ?

[broken vector]

sonoma 14.5

[lilac trail]

Make sure you select the D3DMetal option in the configuration menu and of course have the correct renderer_type set.
That version of Sonoma should be fine. I used 14.2.1 but @viral flame used 14.6 which I upgraded to and it still worked on that too. Keep going !

[broken vector]

yessir

[lilac trail]

@viral flame - you used to use GFN so maybe you want to give the APT for GFN link I just posted a try though I'm sure now you have WS running it isn't really needed.

[viral flame]

this is still very manual. better but still WILL get on your nerves fast

the ngrok solution works, but it opens up your machine to outside

[lilac trail]

Yeah - it was a creative solution but I'm inherently lazy., so it would have been way too much work 🤣

[viral flame]

so that’s worth a heads up

[lilac trail]

You could probably lock it down but the WS/APT solution is, as you say, much more secure, and less fiddly to get going.

[viral flame]

Yep you could just allow that one machine to access your local host but damn that’s fiddly and repetitive.

Go for GFN only if you absolutely need visuals and or hate fan noise and or don’t use APT.

[broken vector]

wineskin being busy after selecting the .exe installer is normal right

it's not i'm a dumbass

i do this right

[lilac trail]

Yes that is normal. It has actually already done what it needs to

[broken vector]

thx

[lilac trail]

I probably should do a video later. I can but I have to cut it into chunks because it will be too large to post as one video. Or maybe I do that via imgur or something. I think the post linit on discord is 25MB unless you have a subscription

[broken vector]

do i need to uninstall the steam version btw

cause i haven't done that yet

[lilac trail]

No. Should be able to leave that as is. All the content for POE should reside in the Wineskin bottle. It will look for the production_Config.ini file in Documents -> My Games -> Path of Exile.
If that is where Steam puts the config file then that just means they 'll share it. Otherwise the WS install will either create it or you will need to create it wit hjust the renderer configuration in it.

[broken vector]

@lilac trail i press launch and it closed immediately

then it said test run completetd successfully

now if i open the poewrapper i made

it closes immediately

oh

it changed the renderer_type

before it was an empty file so i put in the line for renderer_type

then i launched

and had the issue

now the file is full of poe settings and renderer was overwritten

[lilac trail]

I was about to say "check the ini file" - it is one of the 2 reasons you see what you saw. Go back and change the entry to DirectX12, save it and try to run it again

[broken vector]

im in the game 🙂

[lilac trail]

The login screen or actual game ?

[broken vector]

login screen, need to figure out how to login.. only have done that through steam so far

and the actual account credentials are quite old and i dont remember them

[lilac trail]

Your email address and password - I think @atomic herald has a comment in here how to "transfer" from Steam. I'll see if I can find it. If you are at the login screen though that is a good sign. It should just work once you are able to login

#mac-os🍎 message - might help

There is a pasword reset option on POE site for login - you just need to remember what your email address is. I'm not familiar enough with Steam to help but I assume the steam client for POE would be using the same email address you'll need to use to login under WS as well. Your in the home stretch 👍

[broken vector]

i think i got it.. i found that the recovery mail address from the poe account mail address could be recovered through my current email

oh damn

85 fps

what have i been enduring

multithreading enabled

wow

awakened poe trade works

[lilac trail]

Yes. All the Windows options will be available to you. I'm sure you are disappointed to see 85FPS on a Mac with POE 🤣
Sometimes you just need a little encouragement to take that step. You might have other games on Steam but I doubt you'll be using Steam for POE. Even if GGG fix it I find this setup is much easier to maintain

Now you've saved your sanity you can get back to enjoying the game.

If only we could get @azure ridge going on WS or PK, but at least the stand alone works for them. I have made videos of the steps for WS if anyone needs them in te future but it seems the pinned message should be enough to get someone going.

What did you need to do to login to the new client instead of via Steam - it would be good to have the steps outlined. I can add them to the pinned messages.

[broken vector]

i've played on standalone before so maybe what i probably skipped a couple steps, idk

generally i'd say

1. Go to the Poe homepage and login via steam
2. Click on your account name and click on Manage account
3. You'll see your email. Either set up a password or reset it via the forgot your password login option.
4. Use those credentials to log in in-game

If you've played poe, you have a standalone poe account. whether that was on steam doesn't matter.

[lilac trail]

Perfect.
If you use an online filter and no custom sounds your filters should be fine too. If you used custom sounds and/or a filter file, put those sounds and the filter file in the same folder as the ini file and everything should work as it used to.

[atomic herald]

and u dont have to erase the old steam version if u have space on the hd

it makes a different spot download

[broken vector]

gonna delete it now, never looking at it again

[atomic herald]

xD

[broken vector]

running low on space is the main reason tho..

[atomic herald]

the steam folder can create a mess on the computer if it gets filled i know from my partners PC, no idea if its the same on mac

gl on the standalone, and i hope u dont get any problems when it is patching...

(i dont have any due to Monterey OS)

[broken vector]

so far so smooth, if patching goes flawlessly i'd be really really impressed

[lilac trail]

Technically they are using the Windows standalone client so there should be no issues with patching. The other advantage is, because it's the Windows client, if there are issues, they get fixed quicker

[broken vector]

with the wineskin version, how do you handle poe awakened? i have an old version installed since the official one didn't work

[atomic herald]

oh i missed that part

[lilac trail]

*** Use this for the Windows based installs of POE on a Mac ***

Occasionally you might run into an issue that the update process can't overwrite the Path of Exile executable using one of the Windows clients. It may or may not happen using Crossover but will on Kegworks and portingkit at least. To fix this (and sadly you will need to do so every time it happens).

1. You need to go into drive_c - > Program Files (x86) -> Grinding Gear Games -> Path of Exile. To get there is slightly different depening on what you use. For Kegworks you right click the icon and choose "Show Package contents". Select Contents-> drive_c. Go from there. For portingkit right click on icon. Choose Show in Finder -> Contents -> drive_c.
2. rename the PathofExile.exe file to something else (PathofExile.old for example).
3. Change the PathOfExile.tmp to PathofExile.exe
4. Kick off the update again (double click the PathOfExile.exe file should do the trick). It will not download the 40+GB file, just the patch update.

[lilac trail]

The Mac stand alone still has issues, for which there is a tedious workaround. Unless of course you were smart enough not to upgrade your OS beyond Monterey.
Now ... who do we send the invoice to at GGG for providing all the workarounds is what I want to know 😀

[lilac trail]

I thought you said APT was working ?

@viral flame has APT working - #mac-os🍎 message Maybe they can chime in, but I assume they just followed the pinned message about setting up APT. There is a link to the latest dmg file and how to change the keys if you need to. I don't think you need to install APT via WS if that is what you are asking about. Install it on Mac.

[atomic herald]

as i wrote earlier, u dont have to downgrade to Monterey, but there is one option to create a partition and install monterey os on it, i saw on apple page - if something isnt updated to latest mac os version that is an option - and if lots of space on HD ofc.

[viral flame]

I literally didn't have to change anything. I just had to quit rectangle as it was hijacking my shortcut for the pricecheck. Ctrl + Alt + D worked straight away after that.

APT installed natively on my mac, PoE in WS. I'm installing the native client now to check if it's gonna work too.

[lilac trail]

What do you mean by native client ? Native client of what ?

[viral flame]

I mean native PoE client for Mac. or rather, the standalone.

My bad.

[lilac trail]

You can do that. I have a second test partition I setup using an Apple support page. The problem with that is you have to boot into one or the other. You can’t have both going.

You can now though - by using UTM. You can create a virtual Mac (even PPC) and install what ever OS you want in that. Put that on a second monitor and now you have 2 Mac systems with whatever OS you want to run on them 👍

[atomic herald]

ooh, i had to google UTM, wow, i saved that link in bookmarks - that one is made for mac - me like 🤓

[lilac trail]

R U mad or just like to torture yourself 😁 The standalone is broken, though there is a workaround for it. APT will work on it or at least it did some time ago.

[viral flame]

Do you mean the 40 MB thing?

I'm past that already.

I want to run a map on each client and see the lows, I'm wondering which one will offer higher frames in the low end.

[lilac trail]

Yes. They have pre made systems or you can build your own. If you build your own bookmark this site as well for the installers - mrmacintosh.com

I could not get the pre made PPC UTM to work but everything else does.

Plus UTM is free. I would not use it for running Windows games at all. They even say that themselves. You can run a Windows VM on it just fine but I’d use VMware Fusion player Pro for that - it’s free.

UTM is also handy if you like arcade games. There is a program called M.A.M.E which has a Mac port. I run it in a Mac VM because games sometimes lock up in it. I can play Frogger, Dig Dug, Galaga, Pac-man, Donkey Kong and so-on. It’s very cool.

[lilac trail]

Yes - although sometimes you have to do the whole 40+GB to get the update to run. Let us know how testing goes. An educated guess is they’ll be similar but the Mac client has graphics glitches as well that the WS doesn’t.

[lilac trail]

Steam to Standalone Migration process ...

To migrate from Steam to a standalone version (GPTK, WS, PK) do the following - #mac-os🍎 message
You do not need to remove the Steam setup on your system (unless you are tight on disk space).

@copper rose - another message to pin when you get the chance please - #mac-os🍎 message

[balmy laurel]

All the success stories make me want to try again.

But last time was very disheartening.

[lilac trail]

Yeah I was bummed about it. At least 2 others have it going. I’m wondering if we should try a different tactic. How much disk space do you have and what OS ?

[proud igloo]

Merging accounts can be sometimes be tricky if you accidentally do it the wrong direction but if against all odds seems like you've lost all your characters, support can help you get back on tracks.

[viral flame]

Note to self: buy more than 16 gigs of ram even at an absurd premium.

[proud igloo]

I skimped on storage in lieu of RAM for my M1, thinking that I could use external disks if it got cramped.

Still just 16G tho

Considering that memory is shared with the GPU, it's less than it sounds like.

[lilac trail]

Memory is freaking expensive on a Mac. Should have the option to upgrade like a Windows system does.

[viral flame]

The premiums are so insane I though I would be better off buying a new mac in a year or two, crazy.

[proud igloo]

There's some good technical reasons to solder memory and storage, but it sucks from an incremental standpoint.

[lilac trail]

Better off buying as much disk, cpu and memory as you can initially. It’s painfully upfront but you survive. I probably went overboard with 64GB. 32GB is probably enough. They should also bump the base from 8 to 16GB.

[viral flame]

Honestly I didn't buy it with a gaming intention and until now it was more than enough, the 16 gb.

All they need to do is enable clipboard sharing from gfn -> localhost and I'll be gucci for years 😛

[lilac trail]

Can you install on GFN or it's completely locked down ?

[viral flame]

Completely locked down.

[lilac trail]

It's effectively an RDP session. Theoretically it should be possible but you can also prevent cut and paste in RDP.

[viral flame]

Yeah, it's a limitation they put in place.

[lilac trail]

Then I'm afraid you'll have to settle for the Gucci knock off setup you have now 🤣

Can you run overlays in GFN ?

[viral flame]

Not exactly sure what you mean, but the steam overlay is there for example.

[lilac trail]

If you can use an overlay there may be an app that can read the item details you need. Most of those are Windows based though, not for Mac. There is an OverWolf overlay that does price check for example. It wouldn’t work …unless you can get it running via WS, PK or Crossover then maybe it could be possible 🤔

[light glen]

Honestly I broke today, I think it's time to get rid of the steam client. How do I get PoE working through WS (or Whiskey works for me too)?

[upbeat relic]

does the game work now?

[lilac trail]

There are instructions in the pinned messages for WS, Portingkit (PK), Crossover and GPTK. You can try any or all. I’d suggest try WS first.

Note: You may have a different engine list. Check out the comments yesterday by a player - #mac-os🍎 message

[light glen]

Just found the WS message there, I did have a different engine and went with the RC1 revision engine, working so far, game is installing right now after test run

[lilac trail]

Steam is busted. The standalone native client has issues but there is a workaround or two.
Best solution is to use one of the alternative methods, such as WS, PK, Crossover or GPTK outlined in pinned messages.

[light glen]

Just wondering, two questions:

1. Does native mac APT work when running the WS version of PoE?
2. Does the WS version of PoB work better than the Mac version (run through instructions in https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009944) - I notice a decent number of generally annoying bugs in this version of PoB, where cursor selection doesn't work correctly, along with just general issues with colours and occasional crashes as well. In the SS, I click on the red dot, and that is where my cursor ends up, particularly annoying when trying to edit text yourself without directly copy + pasting

The down arrow also doesn't move my cursor down to where it should be, seems as if only the up arrow works in moving up - generally really annoying

[lilac trail]

Yes to both those. There’s a pinned message about both 😁 Ditch the Mac port of PoB. Definitely get the Windows version. Everything will work as it is supposed to. You can use WS instead of PK for PoB.

[lilac trail]

If the game crashes on start up, check the renderer setting in the ini file first as it may get overwritten. If that is ok then you need to try a different engine (which you can do in the Tools tab of the Advanced menu).

[light glen]

alr and the renderer in game? dx12?

[light glen]

Quick note, can I just install the windows version of PoB in the same wrapper as PoE? or do I need to make a seperate WS wrapper?

[proud igloo]

The pobfrontend powering the third party packaging of PoB on Linux and macOS isn't great with cursor positioning.
PoB proper is way better at this, especially when around unicode in the future.

[light glen]

ahh right then, I think I'll try to get the proper version then, since that cursor positioning is really tough to manage

[lilac trail]

seperate wrapper. same process except there isn’t a 40GB file to deal with 😁

[lilac trail]

Directx12. That should be detailed in pinned message

[light glen]

wonderful

[light glen]

alright tyvm just finished the download now

[lilac trail]

Step 10, then launch game. There’s a pinned note on account login steps if you are coming from Steam.

[light glen]

Yeah got it in, the only thing is the resolution seems a little bit uhhhhh wack

i.e on the login screen

Don't seem to have any option to increase my resolution

[lilac trail]

Is the resolution in options static ? POE will use whatever it thinks your monitor/video card is capable of. If there is no option to change it you might be able to do so manually in the ini file.

That screen looks ok to me 🤷🏼‍♂️ Maybe reboot system and fire up POE again and see if that helps 🤔 I’d go to HO or run a map and see how you go. The FPS should be decent and no more suffering login/update challenges at least.

[light glen]

yeah just a single option

[light glen]

was just very jagged not a smooth reso descale ig, it has cleaned up a bit now since going to HO

FPS is definitely better in outdoor maps, but still stutters a bit, though definitely not as frequently

no dropping below 10 fps like I used to

[lilac trail]

Maybe play with the other graphics options and the networking settings and see if those make any difference. What video resolution are you used to getting ?

Leave you to it. Time for 😴

[light glen]

I'm used to running on my native which is 2880x1800 usually, but I'll mess around a little, forgot to change those networking options which I'm sure will help

[light glen]

Appreciate the help

[prime dust]

Hello everyone! Just joined this channel, I was told that there are solutions to constant crashes when entering the game on Mac.
Tell me where I can find these solutions in the chat?

[plucky swallow]

after first start I wait for a few minutes to let data be loaded, if I see low poly classes and loading texture then it will fail, also I use 720p resolution

restarting poe helps

[prime dust]

What is the standalone client? Is it the one you can download directly from the site for MacOS?

If so - I get an error after the 40MB update is downloaded
Maybe someone has encountered this?

[lilac trail]

Take a lot at the pinned messages. There are multiple options to move off the steam and standalone clients. Wineskin, portingkit, GPTK or via Crossover

[prime dust]

What about the standalone client? Isn't that the best option right now?

[lilac trail]

Yes. You could work around this but honestly using the Wineskin or portingkit solutions will be much easier. You’ll need to down the Windows client to use these options.

[prime dust]

Ok, I'll try

[lilac trail]

God no. Try WS. The setup guide is in pinned messages

[prime dust]

I meant to try something from what you wrote 🙂

I'll try WS

@lilac trail I didn't quite understand about the test run and the 40 gigabytes of memory it will take up - will I be able to free up this space later, when the error is fixed, somehow easily?

[lilac trail]

It isn’t 40GB of memory, it’s 40GB of space. That is the Content.ggpk file. Only need to do that once. It is near the end of the setup for WS.

[prime dust]

Ok

@lilac trail Is it normal that after running "Test run" I get the following window?
Translation: here is the heading "Change settings" and three buttons - restore, delete and close

Maybe I should have deleted the PoE client in Steam before this?

[lilac trail]

You can keep the steam client. Should have no impact.

[lilac trail]

Which step in the process is this ? Never seen this message before

[prime dust]

Step 8

After "Test run" I get that popup

It may depend on what exe file I downloaded? I took it directly from the GGG website for Windows

[lilac trail]

Yes - that isn’t the correct path. There is a snapshot of what it should look like in this thread. See if you can find it. Yesterday or day before I think.

[prime dust]

Loading has started. Thank you very much! If there are any more questions - I will write)

One more question regarding the following message:
"Once Install is done do NOT launch the game. First go check the production_Config.ini file entry renderer_type=DirectX12 (In Documents -> My Games -> Path of Exile). If the entry is not correct update it. You can also create the file if it does not exist."
Is it necessary for the render to be DirectX? If there is a conditional Vulcan or Metal, do they need to be changed?

[lilac trail]

Yes the renderer needs to be Directx12. It will crash otherwise.

You can’t use Vulkan on Mac afaik. You can use Directx11 with a different engine I believe but performance sucks. Stick with DirectX12.
The game may crash on startup the first time. This is because it may overwrite the file. If it crashes, go check the file and update the entry if it isn’t Directx12.

What engine did you choose, if you can remember ?

[plucky swallow]

i guess 23.7.1 rev 3 rc1

[lilac trail]

For most people yes

[prime dust]

I have a one question, where I can find the My Games foulder?

[stable aurora]

10. Once Install is done do NOT launch the game. First go check the production_Config.ini file entry renderer_type=DirectX12 (In Documents -> My Games -> Path of Exile). If the entry is not correct update it. You can also create the file if it does not exist.

Good day. I finally have the file installing. Where do I go to find the production file mentioned above? A screenshot would be awesome. 😬

[prime dust]

I found it in users/<user>/, but there is My Games folder in the Documents folder itself. Maybe I need to run PoE at least once for this?

[stable aurora]

Well I replaced the config with the renderer and we will see if that works 🤞

[prime dust]

Do you have a My Games folder in Documents?

Can I ask you to describe the path to this file from drive_c?

[prime dust]

I was wrong, I found it in users/public, but the documents folder is empty

[lilac trail]

Open finder. Go to Users/<username>

There should be a folder called Documents.

[prime dust]

Folder Documents is empty 😦

[lilac trail]

It’s not the public folder. What folders do you have under /Users/username ?

[prime dust]

When I click on the username folder It opens the Wineskin folder

[stable aurora]

I must have downloaded a version it compatible with my current setup. I’ll quit for the day soon

[lilac trail]

Go up one level. Show what is under /Users

[lilac trail]

What is in the dev folder ?

[prime dust]

This. When I try to open this folder, it automatically opens Wineskin folder for some reason

Maybe I need try to launch PoE for the first time and after that Documents folder will appear?

[lilac trail]

the folder should be created at install time as far as I know. You could try running POE. It will crash for sure.

I will be at computer in about 30 mins to 1hr. I will check path and let you know. I have videos for steps I’ll post as well. Might help.

[lilac trail]

Is the game running via Wineskin for you ?

[plucky swallow]

you can check through path selection, check the documents folder for config file or even open it from wineskin

from here https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/756296636275359794/1272974791531434105/image.png?ex=66bceda9&is=66bb9c29&hm=4aafbf7020e629d48ddfc4fd42a6cfa38f13d500e64cf46da08bb480a145c650&=&width=882&height=479

[lilac trail]

That’s not the correct path though

[plucky swallow]

i mean he can click browse and browse from there users folder/documents

[prime dust]

I'm going down the path: "drive_c/users/<username> (for me tretyakovedev)" and after this he redirects me to the Wineskin folder

[plucky swallow]

try your usual macos documents folder

my games folder

or poe folder

[lilac trail]

Yes that is the one

[prime dust]

To be honest, I don't understand yet what I should do to make this folder appear.

I tried searching the drive_c folder for the documents folder and found only an empty folder in the public

[lilac trail]

It’s not the drive_c folder to look in

[prime dust]

I'm idiot... I understand you

[plucky swallow]

I'm not that familiar with wineskin but the concept is the game stored inside wrapper and all external files like configs etc that on windows machine usually inside Documents folder or my games folder that is created by game is created in macos Documents/root folder

[prime dust]

I was completely sure that this file should have been inside the my Wrapper folder

It works! TY!

Let me check the fps and I'll write back

[lilac trail]

That’s the one ! You aren’t an idiot. It can be quite confusing when setting up for the first time

[prime dust]

I was just sure that the My Games folder only exists in Windows.

[viral flame]

This takes a while to get used to 😛

[lilac trail]

Technically you are correct. I think what it does though is links to the MacOS documents folder so the path can be a bit confusing.

[proud igloo]

[plucky swallow]

check on sear/eater t16 maps, I have fps drops on its visuals, also jun moving thing on map

you can also put pob there, inside program files folders and create additional shortcut if i'm not mistaken

[lilac trail]

I get 60 in HO. At least 40 in maps. Someone yesterday reported 85 using WS setup

[plucky swallow]

what machine?

[prime dust]

I need to log in through Steam first, remember the settings I set 😄

[lilac trail]

Mine is M1 Max with 64GB ram. Not sure what the other one is that got 85. I think it was Izzy

[prime dust]

I try on Air M1 😄

[plucky swallow]

I can say that for stable fps with 8gbs machine you have to reboot and launch only poe, may be few trade tabs and awakpoetrade or it will lag to 2 fps

for prolonged air sessions better have external big fanstand

[lilac trail]

There is a pinned message about how to get from Steam to username/password for WS setup

[prime dust]

Yes, I was able to do that already. I wanted to see what config I had set up in Steam, because it wasn't duplicated in Wineskin

[lilac trail]

In same bottle ? I would just create a separate WS bottle and install windows community version of PoB into that.

[lilac trail]

What config - game and network settings ?

[prime dust]

Yeap

[plucky swallow]

yeah, somehow using "Wineskin.app inside the the game and open it then click the "Tools" tab here you will see a button the says "Custom EXE creator"'"

[lilac trail]

With WS you get back multi-threading plus all the usual options. The resolution might be different, depending on what the windows client sees your GPU as.

How much ram in your Macbook Air ? With 8GB you will not get 40FPS. You will likely need to have everything set to minimum, but you can experiment now. Login should be smooth and updates should run normally. No more work arounds.

[lilac trail]

You have it running that way ? Nice to know 👍

[prime dust]

Will Awakened Poe Trade for MacOS work in such a client or do I need to install it somehow under Windows?

[lilac trail]

APT will work with the native Mac client. Guess what ... there is a pinned message about that 😀 You do NOT need to install under Windows. You should not need to change any key mappings either according to some folk who have it running here.

You should install the windows version of PoB in another wrapper using WS.

[prime dust]

As I see, my hot keys and overall game settings (displaying HP and the like) have been reset to their defaults.

[prime dust]

Sorry, I guess I didn't read it very carefully)

[lilac trail]

For POE or APT ? For POE not surprised. The WS client is not aware of your old steam setup. Good news is you can easily set them up again.

[prime dust]

For POE)

Now I'm working on the settings. You made my day) Throughout the entire league I was struggling with this problem, spent half an hour to enter the game, ran at 5-10 fps
I hope everything will be different now) Thank you very much

I wonder if it's worth going back to the native client via Windows when GGG fixes this problem

[lilac trail]

The native MacOS standalone client can run (you can't use it via Windows) BUT it has several old and new issues. It crashes every time there is an update. The workaround is unreliable. On top of that the native client is FPS capped. You can't get above 60FPS. In addition to that it also has graphics issues that sometimes makes you think you are in a disco (and that's not even the worst one). So I would say no - don't go back to any of the native Mac options - Steam or the MacOS standalone. GGG aren't going to fix anything - it's been 3 weeks now and they've done absolutely nothing. We as players have to had to figure out our own workarounds. That tells you something about GGG's attitude towards their players and their capabilities to provide any resemblance of technical support. For goodness sake don't support them by buying stuff until they do fix something. Maybe the message will sink in when everyone does that.

Not sure how much FPS you will get bu the WS setup should provide a far more stable experience.

[prime dust]

You have done much more work during this time than GGG, for which I am incredibly grateful to you)

[proud igloo]

[prime dust]

I still have one small question though - where should I install the loot filter files so that they are displayed in the game? As I understand it, the program does not have access to the MacOS directory where they are currently located

[lilac trail]

We're all here to help each other out. Let us know what FPS you get in maps and other activities. Also what are your system specs.
If you know of other Mac users trying to suffer through Steam or Standalone Mac client you know where to point them. Make sure they check the pinned messages.

There are, at last count, 4 different ways to setup the Windows version of POE on a Mac - WS, PK (portingkit - similar to WS), Apple's GPTK (whch is what I use). All free. Then there is Crossover, which also works, but you have to buy that. It all depends on what players are comfortable using. Oddly enough some players can't use one or more options. They are stuck with eitehr the Steam or the MacOS standalone (which is the lesser of the 2 evils).

[lilac trail]

Same folder as the ini file

[plucky swallow]

i use web lootfiltet, installed via poe website few years ago and never touched it

even forgot about that it is a custom thing

[lilac trail]

Yeah online filter is an option too. if you have custom sounds put them in the same folder as the ini folder and they should then work properly. If you want to use your own filter file then place it in the same folder as the ini file.

[plucky swallow]

i use neversink default one so it is autoupdated every league, if you want custom one, you can do it via website or old way

[prime dust]

Yeap, it works) I had to restart the game for them to appear.

[prime dust]

I also use Neversink

[lilac trail]

I used to use Neversink - I download the file after customising but I found I needed to redo the filter each league. I switched to the MF Academy one , which is also an online filter via your POE account. It is a little easier for me.

@prime dust - so what fps are you getting in game and what are your system specs and POE settings to get the fps you are getting ?

[prime dust]

Give me a second) I'll try to run T16

I play on the Russian client, so I will translate the settings through a translator, so the names may not match

I launched it on low settings, resolution 1650x1080, but I set the rendering resolution to 77% (1293x808)
In the settings, I turned off Dynamic Particle Cropping so that it does not blur the image during drops (I do not like playing with a blurry picture)

In the city, I had 30-40 FPS, which is great compared to the Steam version - there was a maximum of 10-15
On a map without mobs, I have 60 FPS, when mobs appear somewhere around 30-40. There were drops to 10 FPS when Eater mobs appeared near the altar, but these are trifles - they quickly passed. Overall, the client works much better than in Steam - FPS is higher and more stable

I play on a MacBook Air m1 with 8 GB, so I set the settings to low - I feel if I raise the FPS it will be lower, and I don't want that - I have a clear enough picture to see all the effects, attacks and the like)

I play on Hexblast, I think it is important in terms of fps output

In addition, many textures are still loading, I think the situation will be even better with time

[lilac trail]

Sounds like you are good to go 👍

[prime dust]

Thank you very much again)

[prisma rover]

Is it possible to run APT with steam client?

[prime dust]

What's APT?

[prisma rover]

awakened poe trade

[prime dust]

In general, you can launch Awakened Poe Trade, which is available for MacOS for the steam client and for the client via Wineskin

[lilac trail]

Why are you still using the Steam client 😬 It's crippled - GGG have disabled multi-threading so performance is crap.

[prisma rover]

I've never known better

[lilac trail]

What FPS are you getting via Steam ?

[prisma rover]

in hideout it's perfectly fine only when doing like breaches or in town it drops a lot

but i have m3 so that probably helps a bit even if single threaded

[hidden lichen]

wait, so the steam version performs worse ? I have a m1 pro and I get awful fps, like 5-10 fps with high density, it's like a comic book

[lilac trail]

Yes

[prisma rover]

how so, It keeps asking for permissions

[lilac trail]

There are several alternatives to steam. The most reliable one to date is by using a Wineskin (WS) wrapper to run the Windows POE client on a Mac. You will get 60FPS in HO. Depending on how juiced your maps are you will get 40FPS at least. As @prime dust mentioned, on a Macbook Air with Eater mobs it can dip to 10FPS momentarily. On an M1 Pro you should do better than that, especially if you have more than 8GB of memory.

Several players have switched to the WS method in the past few days. You can see the threads. Take a look at the pinned messages on how to setup either WS, PK, GPTK - all free applications. You can also use Crossover if you already own it.

You can also setup the windows version of PoB in any of the alternatives. It works why better than the Mac port of it. You can also use native Mac version of APT with the WS,PK, GPTK or Crossover setup (you do not need to put APT in a wrapper).

[lilac trail]

There is a post of the APT forum about this. You need to go into settings -> Accessibility and turn off accessibility and turn it back on I think.

[prisma rover]

well I've tried that

forum on github?

[lilac trail]

Also - give it a serious think about getting off the Steam client and improving your FPS.

[lilac trail]

No GGG

[prisma rover]

yeah I actually use portingkit a lot

just didn't know poe is botched on steam

[lilac trail]

It can take multiple tries for it to take. Annoying as ... but it should eventually take

[prisma rover]

is it a post for like a 3.23 version?

[lilac trail]

You could use portingkit. Some players have tried it and it didn't work but it was fine for me. There is a pinned post on how to set it up if you need it. It wil lwork waaayyyy better than steam. Don't you have to play the "how many attempts to login .." with steam as well in it's current state ?

[lilac trail]

This forum - from this page (14) onwards there are a number of solutions - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3129523/page/14

[prisma rover]

yeah but I have a trick which lets me check pretty fast if it'll work

most of the time i just look at server ping and if it doesn't show then i have to

restart

and if it shows then most of the time i can log in

[prisma rover]

thanks a lot

[lilac trail]

The last entry on page 17 as well. Last but not least In order to use Awakened PoE Trade as an app, instead of running from Terminal, which is crashing right on start, do the following in Terminal:

sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app
and
codesign --force --deep --sign - /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app

Then, make sure Awakened PoE Trade is added in the list in Settings -> Privacy and Security -> Accessibility. If it is added automatically via running the app, remove it from the list and add it manually.

Wineskin Setup Videos
These videos mirror most of the steps outlined in the pinned message on how to setup POE using Wineskin (WS). They should help provide some visual clarity rather than players getting lost in a sea of wordy instructions. Use them in combination with the pinned post to get POE running via Wineskin. There are 8 videos in total

Wineskin setup Step1 video

Wineskin setup Step2 video

Wineskin setup Step3 video

Wineskin setup Step4 video

Wineskin setup Step5 video

Wineskin setup Step6a video

Wineskin setup 6b video

Wineskin setup 7 video

Wineskin setup 8 video - the filepath is the MacOS file path /Users/<username>/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/

[broken vector]

amazing work bob

[plucky swallow]

try system reboot and run only poe

[balmy laurel]

how do i trigger patch update on native MacOS?

doesnt let me login because i need patch. says to restart and when i do that, nothing happens, and when i try to login gives me the same error

[autumn quiver]

i've been doing the whole remove ApplicationSupport/PathOfExile, then rename the Redist folder but its not working this time around

[balmy laurel]

my system was fine with all the hotfixes and other mini updates but this has bricked the game

[lilac trail]

@joaquin , @balmy laurel Can you post a screenshot of the error message(s) you are getting. This is the MacOS standalone client right ?

[balmy laurel]

the messages arent wrong. My game is still 3.25.0b

its just that exiting and restarting is not triggering update

they fixed all of their high priority issues except the MacOS one

i guess my problem is this

although i didnt have this problem before. but maybe they are all related

[autumn quiver]

mine is macOs standalone. yes.

i uninstalled. removed all the references to POE files and folders

then get this

[lilac trail]

Wasn’t that 3 weeks ago 🤨

[balmy laurel]

yeah its been there since settlers launched. But the problems i was having didnt really match the description

now it does

[balmy laurel]

this was me 2-3 weeks ago

move it to trash & then manually move it back.

and then run it and it should work

[lilac trail]

Yeap. Will happen each patch. Not sure which workaround you used but they don’t work consistently.
Why don’t you swap to the Wineskin (WS) setup instead ?

[autumn quiver]

yeah let me give it a try

its pinned?

can i use any wine Engine. the ones i have listed aren't the same as the video

[lilac trail]

Yes. Not sure why the engines I have differ from others. Screenshot which ones you have

[balmy laurel]

yes but they updated the post today. All of other high priority issues have been removed from the post.

[autumn quiver]

i just went with the latest release candidate 23.7.1-3

also had to install brew. might be worth adding a Step 0

[lilac trail]

Use the rc1 engine.
Yes I just had someone else mention that.

Can you provide the command you used to install homebrew.

[autumn quiver]

how do you get the pathofexile.exe? is that just the installer?

for brew ^ then theres additional commands the installation will prompt you with

which just sets up your .zprofile and activates an env shell

[lilac trail]

Perfect - that is what I provided.

The PathofExile file is the Windows executable installer. Download it from POE website

[autumn quiver]

it has to be the windows executable?

oh i see yeah

wow wineskin is cool

its not vmware it actually ports the windows instructions to mac instructions. thats wild

[lilac trail]

Yes it has to be the Windows executable. Wineskin is based on WINE. WINE provides the ability to run Windows programs on non-Windows systems - such as a Mac.

It’s a translator, whereas VMware is an emulator. Performance of a translator will always beat an emulator

[autumn quiver]

yeah performance wise it should be incredible vs an emulator. didn't know translators got this sophisticated

[lilac trail]

WINE has been around a long time but it’s vastly improved. It’s also the reason Apple’s GPTK even exists.

portingkit is another one that has been around for a while. Does the same thing as WS but has a slightly more friendly GUI.

For homebrew did you execute the shell command to make it a zsh shell ?

[autumn quiver]

(echo; echo 'eval "$(/opt/homebrew/bin/brew shellenv)"') >> /Users/{username}/.zprofile"

then

eval "$(/opt/homebrew/bin/brew shellenv)

the brew installation prompts you to do this but idk if it'll be different based offer the user / machine

so my wineskin is "Busy. Wineskin is currently busy" its just doing the porting yeah?

[lilac trail]

Yes. Video 2 kinds shows this. It’ll pop up a message about the wrapper being finished. Can take a few minutes

It’s been so long since I setup homebrew 🤪

[autumn quiver]

haven't gotten a new mac since huh?

or do you have your whole installation setup on like git or something lol

all my macs brick so quick. feel like im getting a new one every 3 / 4 years.

[lilac trail]

I got an M1 in 2021. I installed GPTK last year when it was released - June I think.
It needed homebrew. So it’s been that long

On a different topic - you might want to take a look at this app - https://getutm.app/

You can creat virtual Macs, including PPC. Windows as well, though not as well as VMware for Windows. Virtual Macs can be handy when you don’t want to break your primary system.

[autumn quiver]

ooooo cool

oh but i have a samsung lol 😅

im sure they have an equivalent. but shoot. you can run raspi on an ios. i guess that makes sense

[proud igloo]

Huh, when did they refocus to iOS? It used to (still does?) run on macOS.

[lilac trail]

Yeah the iOS thing is relatively new I think. It still runs MacOS, Linux distros and Windows

Have @balmy laurel trying to start WS install. Needs to install Homebrew.

When entering the command to do so the shell is asking for sudo password. If they are admin this shouldn’t happen afaik ?

[lilac trail]

How’s the WS install going ?

[autumn quiver]

still "busy"

i did see a path of exile.lnk created but its only 800kb so i don't think thats it

should it be taking this long?

[lilac trail]

Not more than a few minutes

Usually. What are your system specs ?

[autumn quiver]

M3 chip 8GB memory

[lilac trail]

Memory a bit low but someone setup on a Macbook Air with 8GB so ….

[autumn quiver]

lmao nice

should i force quit and restart?

[lilac trail]

You are on step 3 right ?

[autumn quiver]

step 4 which is the one with the windows .exe

OH

its done

[lilac trail]

The wrapper has already been created in step4. Step5 selects the PathofExileInstaller.exe file

[autumn quiver]

Please select which exe file is normally used in windows to start the program. I can go with default? i don't have the options you have

[lilac trail]

Screenshot it

[autumn quiver]

oh nvm i do have grinding gears

[lilac trail]

You want the bottom one. - not the first or second one. That is what should be in the video

So the Program Files (x86) one

[autumn quiver]

yeah video is correct

i miswatched the video and thought x86 grinding gears was the second one

[lilac trail]

Ok. Can some suggest how Woodenman can get Homebrew installed on their system.

Step 8 will take a while since it will download the 40+GB file. After that you are in the home straight 😄

[autumn quiver]

you just need to enter your credentials

i didn't know that was a question lol

[lilac trail]

I didn’t think that worked. I’m getting tired 🙄

Just the user password right ?

[autumn quiver]

i think so. i see a key icon. might be key chain password?

[balmy laurel]

I’ll have to try again later. My time and patience has run out. ☹️

[lilac trail]

Understand 👍

@joaquin - up to doing the 40GB install ?

[autumn quiver]

yup at 29 gigs

regardless of what happens after. really appreciate the tutorial and the help along the way

[proud igloo]

That's elevating with sudo to administrator rights. It takes your user password you use to log in.

You won't see anything while typing as it doesn't want to show how long your password is. Type blindly and hit Enter.

[lilac trail]

Once it is done go check the ini file is correctly set to DirectX12 as per guide. Then launch game. If it crashes recheck file. It might have been overwritten.

Use same username and password you use for standalone.

[autumn quiver]

its unclear where you're opening the production_config.ini from and is that how you run the application?

[lilac trail]

No. You open the file to check the setting. If it’s correct hit the Launch button

[lilac trail]

Step 10 gives you the complete path to the ini file.

[autumn quiver]

i only see 8 steps

[lilac trail]

8 videos but you use those in conjunction with the pinned guide which has 11 steps

[autumn quiver]

ok found the ini. the renderer isn't the same

as the one in your video. or what am i supposed to be looking at in here?

[lilac trail]

They are the same.

[autumn quiver]

Mine says Vulkan

[lilac trail]

Yes so you need to change it to same as Step 10 of guide (or video 8). It will crash out with Vulkan

Change and save. Close file. Launch game

[autumn quiver]

ok it worked!

thank you!

[lilac trail]

Awesome.
See pinned message about APT and PoB. TLDR; Use native mac port of APT. Set up another wrapper and use Windows version of PoB.

Your online filter will work. If you use a filter file and custom sounds put them in the same folder as ini file.

Once you have everything working you can remove the standalone version. There is a pinned message how to do so. You can also remove steam install but I don’t use steam so can’t help with that.

I think you’ll notice better FPS now too.

Goodnight all 😴

[prisma rover]

I installed the game using porting kit but it shuts down instantly, does someone know a fix?

just black screen and then it shuts down without any errors popping up

[lilac trail]

This may be due to the engine you used. You can change it and try it again or you could setup using Wineskin (WS) instead. portingkit seems a bit hit and miss, though it worked for me
The WS setup is in pinned messages. It also has a set of videos you can follow.
You will need to install Homebrew first if you do not have it installed in your system. If you do just follow the 11 step guide and use the videos for reference.

Note: The engine in the guide and the video is what I have. Yours may not be the same. It may show you an engine with rc in the name. You can select that one.

Homebrew Install - execute all 3 commands. Then follow the WS setup guide and videos

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail I might have asked before about this, but maybe your guides would be suitable to put on the wiki in the more opinionated Guide namespace? Videos may need external hosting, but the text and all that should be good.

[lilac trail]

I don’t recall this suggestion but then again I can’t remember what I did yesterday 😁 If poewiki.net would be ok with them then it would be cool to have them posted there. It would make pinned messages here less cluttered. Could stash the videos on imgur with a link to them there. The largest is less than 25MB, which I think is under the limit on imgur.
How would I go about getting the guides on the wiki ?

[proud igloo]

@sour tangle What do you think about this, would the wiki Guide be a decent place to put some of the instructional material on how to install and unscrew PoE on macOS, like the guides in the pinned messages here but a bit less ephemeral? Where does screenshots and videos go?

I've got to head out to work, but I don't see any major hurdles against creating an account and giving it a go, either under your own user namespace to begin with or on a page in the Guide namespace.
The wiki isn't super special, works like most wikis do for this kind of thing.

[lilac trail]

I didn’t even know this space existed on the wiki. Thanks for pointing it out. There is an entry about POE on Wine there but it’s old (2.2) and for Linux.

[sour tangle]

Yes. Feel free to create a guide.

[hard flint]

when using the pinned wineskin message, I get a much lower resolution than what my laptop screen can actually do (it's about half) is there any way to fix this

[proud igloo]

Maybe you have to set DPI scaling in Wine somehow?

[hard flint]

tried that and it just made the cursor really big so doesnt help'

[grave egret]

hi, which guide do i refer to to install poe on M-series mac? steam one keeps failing to play

[lilac trail]

You can try to manually set it in the production_Config.ini file. I suspect it will change it back but maybe not

[grave egret]

nvm im tryimng portingkit

[lilac trail]

You can use any of them. The Wineskin one has both written and video to help. Others seem to have had the best success with it.

[grave egret]

hi, how do i know if its installing? i checked the wineskin folder and no files are added

i got it!

sorry

there was a window with a 'couldnt find executable' and there was 3 options, think i chose wrong the first time

[proud igloo]

Seems like a common step to trip on based on history here.

[grave egret]

haha, i didnt see it in the guide so i wasnt sure which to pick, then realised i should choose the x86 one xD

[proud igloo]

Ah, it's mentioned in the portingkit guide.

[lilac trail]

It’s in the videos

[grave egret]

stupid question but how do i launch the game xD,

[grave egret]

mb sorryyy

i cant launch the game for some reason

[lilac trail]

What step are you up to ? There are 11. Have you done all 10 before doing the 11th ?

[grave egret]

yes i changed th renderer from vulkan to dx12

trying to start it up but nothing happning

using this engine

[balmy laurel]

Did you change to DirectX12 or Dx12? Needs to be the long version

[hard flint]

is anyone else disconnecting when using wineskin poe when tabbing out?

[grave egret]

direect

[lilac trail]

screenshot your ini entry.

[grave egret]

ill try to reinstall ltr, gotta go out mb'

[lilac trail]

That is the correct renderer. When you say you can’t start it what does it do - black screen, flashes the nothing or something else ?

[grave egret]

Double clickimg the wrapper? Which i named POE doesnt do anything at all

Nothing pops up, nothing in the bar below, not sure what to look for in activity monitor tho

Wait the screen flash black once, the first time i tried to start the game, but afterwards nothing else

[plucky swallow]

on native macos client i try to set 720p resolution in configfile with readonly mode and it doesn't change but poe still changes resolution to 919p(fits in windowed mode between dock and menubar)

maybe there are some settings to change to let it work

i guess it is hardcoded somewhere, like other default file with settings that can't be changed

[prime lava]

Im trying to install the client directly from the PoE website but Im getting this message when I try to run the installer, anyone know what could be wrong?

[proud igloo]

There's a pinned message about how to unscrew the standalone macOS client.

[prime lava]

Oh ok

Thanks

[tulip tiger]

Hey any ppl here still having performance issues since the graphic update GGG made in January ? Last time I tried to play (last season) I couldn't pass the act 10 due the framerate issues (got like 15fps during the whole act + freezes)
Did they patch the fps issues or is it the same rn ?
Playing on Macbook Pro M1 Max with 32Go Sonoma

[plucky swallow]

did all acts fine on m2 8/256 macmini

[lilac trail]

GGG have not fixed the current issues let alone older ones. Recommend you switch to one of the alternative methods on pinned messages, such as Wineskin (WS) for waaayyy better performance and stability.

[tulip tiger]

Oh didn't see the pinned messages but trying to install it using crossover + cxpatcher rn, is it better than the mac version ?

[lilac trail]

In other words … don’t use the standalone or steam client.

[tulip tiger]

or should i just go WS

[lilac trail]

If you own Crossover use it. CXPatcher is optional (it provides an updated driver). Otherwise use WS

[tulip tiger]

Thx, will give it a try and switch to ws if needed

[lilac trail]

Could be a number of things. POE not fully installed ( a wrapper by itself won’t work), the wrong PathofExile executable was chosen for install, the engine used isn’t compatible with your system (you can change that) or the renderer_type is not set correctly (it can be overwritten first time you start).

Check all that is correct and try again 👍

[grave egret]

Yes sir, thank you for the thorough response

[prisma rover]

which engine to use with porting kit?

[lilac trail]

Use WS11WineCX64Bit23.7.1_D3DMetal-v1.1 I think that is the one I used and in the video (for WS) but should be same for portingkit..

You don’t have to do a full re-install to change engines. There is a configuration menu you can use. If you started over again that doesn’t hurt either.

The rc one should also work with portingkit. It did not for me, which is why I used the D3D one

[grave egret]

I dont have one that explicitly says ‘metal’, is that an issue? Should i go download the exact one u use?

[hidden lichen]

Anyone able to launch the standalone version on m1/2/3 ?

[lilac trail]

Is this in regard to portingkit or WS install ? For WS most players seem to only get 4 options. If you look at the pinned guide I've listed the 2 most common that work. If you don't have the D3DMetal one as an option use the rc1 which is shown there (and highlighted above). That should work for your WS install.

[grave egret]

Hmm okay

[lilac trail]

You're joking right ? Both the steam and the standalone versions are busted, and likely won't be fixed. That's why there are 4 pinned messages on alternative options to get you going in POE again. The FPS running the alts is also better. There are workarounds for the standalone but with each patch released you would need to do the workaround again and sometimes the workaround that used to work no longer does. I mean you can continue to smash your head against the wall or use one of the pinned alts.

[hidden lichen]

@lilac trail which method would you recommend for the best fps, I can use crossover if it would be the best or just follow one of your pinned messages ?

just wondering

( didn't see the pinned messages before my initial message 2 mins ago, sorry )

[lilac trail]

If you own Crossover I would use it. You could buy it (TOM23 for a 20% discount) but WS or PK run just about anything you need and they are free if you don't already have Crossover (CXPatcher is optional). Crossover does spare you somewhat from the setup steps for WS or PK. GPTK is what I use but that involves a lot more setup than is reasonable given the other apps exist.

TBH I did not noticed much of a difference in FPS between the 4 options. They will all certainly give you higher FPS than the mac steam and standalone (these are actually FPS capped which is a dirty little secret). The alts are more stable and won't give you update grief. Go with WS or PK if not Crossover.

The only downside is that the WINE based apps don't seem to detect GPU as well, so your game resolution may be slightly lower. Given POE graphics aren't all the amazing anyway this isn't an issue for me. It's certainly a better experience than the GGG provided clients. You should be able to run with your existing or higher settings settings using any of the alternatives.

[plucky swallow]

yes

[lilac trail]

Without applying the workarounds ?

[plucky swallow]

yeah, just restarting client

[hidden lichen]

@lilac trail ok thank you : )

[lilac trail]

This is only possible if you are on Monterey or earlier as far as I know

[plucky swallow]

or leaving it for a few minutes while drinking tea

[lilac trail]

You’re using the steam client yes ?

[plucky swallow]

sometimes setting 720p with apple commands

as i said before somthing to do with initial data loading as classes model low poly and loading screen is low poly too is a sign of failed loading

yes steam version

[lilac trail]

Just curious why you would continue with steam. Multi-threading is disable so your performance and FPS would be horrible.

[plucky swallow]

i tried with poe start commands like preload or dont preload but didn't help or i used it wrong

[hidden lichen]

For CrossOver I should use only the D3DMetal toggle for best performance right ?

[plucky swallow]

i don't think i will have something better than 30 fps on base m2 macmini

[plucky swallow]

dxvk is basically native client

[hidden lichen]

not sure what that means

my arrow was intended to point at all the toggles, not just DXVK

my bad

[plucky swallow]

my bad, i guess poe has native vulkan so it is moltenvk client

dxvk is for dx game to translate it to vulkan then vulkan to metal

[hidden lichen]

by dx you mean DirectX or ?

[plucky swallow]

so better use d3dmetal to translate dx to metal directly

yeah, dx=directx

[hidden lichen]

ok thanks

im downloading it now, hope it runs well enough

[lilac trail]

D3DMetal and either Mysync or Esync. I don’t use Retina option. Makes the cursor too small for me 🤣

[hidden lichen]

what the difference between MSync and ESync ?

probably something with the refresh rate I guess ?

[lilac trail]

What are you getting now using Steam ?

[plucky swallow]

msync is newer/modern helps or worsen performance so better test with off and on

[hidden lichen]

the dream would be steady 60 fps on dense maps lol

thats all I want

[plucky swallow]

i locked to 30, had something 30-40

[hidden lichen]

can't believe such an old game performs like shit on something like apple m chips

[lilac trail]

I posted a note on that. Search for it if you want to know. You probably wouldn’t notice a difference so you can go with either unless you fit a specific use case.

[plucky swallow]

it's not old as it has poe2 engine

because they remake their old engine

[hidden lichen]

aha

so essentially, how well I run this game now, would be how well I run also PoE 2 ?

[lilac trail]

Not necessarily. POE is still bogged in a mess of legacy code. POE 2 should not be.

[plucky swallow]

with each league, at least every year it's getting worse with new content

[plucky swallow]

i really hope that it's refactored engine with consoles and mac in mind

[lilac trail]

That is going to depend somewhat on system specs. I can run at around 45FPS on an M1 MBP Max with 64GB

An M2 or M3 with less memory will do better. Someone had 85FPS in HO. 60FPS in maps might be possible then.

[hidden lichen]

damn, I have M1 Pro with 16GB

I mean, even if it drops to 40fps it would still be playable

[grave egret]

okay now when i run the app it opens up a black screen, ard 10 secs later it closes/crashes

[lilac trail]

For WS ? What is the engine and the renderer_type set to ?

[grave egret]

engine is same as wrapper, render is still DirectX12

[grave egret]

and yea wineskin winery

wait

sorry bob, it runs now.... i changed the engine from 12 to 11 and back to 12 and now it works...

odd

[lilac trail]

That’s is very odd but very clever of you to figure it out. This might be a solution to others that have reported a similar issue 👍
What FPS are you getting in game ?

[grave egret]

okay nevermind, im ddumb as a brick, i am not scientifically testing this

gimme a few sec

okay so i tried to set renderer to DirectX11 cuz 12 wasnt running,

[lilac trail]

Well if you got the login screen then we know it works. FPS metric is just icing on the cake

[grave egret]

on DX11 it ran, then i changed it back to 12 and it didnt run

🤣

but the wrapper engine IS dx12 option

was using this (sorry does the 12 correlate to dx12 or smth else)
but in the .ini DirectX12 wasnt running, changed to DirectX11 and it ran

[lilac trail]

Another player also reported same thing as you - DirectX12 wouldn’t work but DirectX11 did. The performance was not as good on DirectX11 though. What happens if you go into the game and change the option in the menu to DirectX12 ?

[grave egret]

nice, tried changing, immediate crash

havent went into game yet, at login currently

[grave egret]

and yes, this engine w 'DirectX11' in the .ini runs, but 'DirectX12' doesnt for some reason....

[lilac trail]

I kinda expected it would crash. Likely 2 reasons. It doesn’t like the engine used and/or it doesn’t like the D3DMetal option selected in the Advanced menu with that engine.

You can try a few things. Keep the engine but deselected the D3D to metal option. Then change config to DirectX12 and see if it runs then.

DirectX12 would be better but not end of world with DirectX11 unless performance is horrible.

[grave egret]

i cant even load into lioneye watch xD

game hanging i think

nvm just running super duper slowly, the gears are moving

[lilac trail]

It might be loading and/or clearing cache. Once it is done. Exit then login again and see if it runs better

[grave egret]

true

will try

IM IN

[lilac trail]

Gotta step out for a bit. If it is still slow then need to figure out how to get DirectX12 going. This will require you to change settings a few times. Maybe also download any new engine updates. It’s a pain but once going it’s far better than steam/standalone.

[grave egret]

yes sir

how do i see fps./

got it

fps is 70 when im not doing anything in Kingsmarch.... start moving and its a slideshow.. and my pixels can be counted xD

[grave egret]

tried deselecting d3d and running 'DirectX12' black screen then crash

odd that dx12 wont run...

ah, my macos isnt up to date, ill try that and see what happens... might not be up by thgen tho xd

[lilac trail]

Probably not related. I ran on Sonoma 14.2.1 and then 14.6 but give it a go.

I can’t replicate it on my system but I might be able to in a Mac VM I have.

After you have updated try again (or course). Then try different engines. In the Change engine setting under Tools I think there is an option to download more engines.

[grave egret]

🫡 will let you know when i can, hafta go off now tho, cya and thx for the help!

dont think the OS affects yea

[tulip tiger]

Hey @lilac trail , I tried to install on crossover but it didn't work and now it also doesn't work with WS even after editing the renderer_type to DX12
When I run the test using WS wrapper this is what I got on the crash:

        VK_KHR_external_fence_capabilities v1
        VK_KHR_get_physical_device_properties2 v2
        VK_KHR_get_surface_capabilities2 v1
        VK_KHR_surface v25
        VK_EXT_metal_surface v1
        VK_EXT_swapchain_colorspace v4
[mvk-info] Vulkan semaphores using Metal implicit guarantees within a single queue.
[mvk-info] Created VkDevice to run on GPU Apple M1 Max with the following 2 Vulkan extensions enabled:
        VK_KHR_swapchain v70
        VK_EXT_memory_budget v1
Assertion failed: !status, file /Users/gcenx/Documents/GitHub_old/wineskincx/dlls/winevulkan/loader_thunks.c, line 160````
Did you already encounter this error. ?

[grave egret]

yea idk what to do for WS, welp

[lilac trail]

Haven’t seen that. Where do you see that - is it the last run log ?

[tulip tiger]

yup, activated the logs on launch and getting the same issue everytime

[lilac trail]

What happened with Crossover - did it crash or just not run ?

[tulip tiger]

Same issue, crashed when I tried to launch with the ini file updated

Guess I'm gonna play D4 for a while sadge

[lilac trail]

What are your Advanced settings for POE bottle in Crossover and what version of CO are you using ?

[tulip tiger]

D3DMetal activated + MSync (tried esync changes nothing) version is 24.0.4 not patched by cxpatcher

used windows11 but i guess it's not the issue here

it feels like the renderer_type isn't applied to the game on launch smh

[lilac trail]

I had no issues. On same version of CO and not using CXPatcher. Same settings. If you don't have DVXK on by mistake and the ini entry didn't change on startup (that can apparently happen sometimes) than I'm stumped as to why it would not work. If you have support with Codeweaver you could log a ticket.

Regarding WS - what engine version is it using (a screenshot would be best) and is D3D to Metal option on or off ?

[lilac trail]

Trying to replicate the issue in a VM. No guarantees of course but maybe it'll break the same way for me. At this point I'd raise a ticket with the developer via their github page. While WINE isn't a guarantee to work on every system the number of players it hasn't worked for doesn't seem normal. I have tried 4 different methods and they all worked for me, otherwise I would not have posted them. It's very very odd.

[tulip tiger]

and for CO I never had any problem using it so I'm a bit lost to why it doesn't work either

[lilac trail]

It shouldn’t be so inconsistent from one user to another but what do we know right 😁 For WS can you go to Tools -> Change Engine. What other engines are an option ?

[tulip tiger]

Already tried the other one but got the same error :/

[lilac trail]

FYI - the logs for test runs are in /Users/<username>/Applications/<wrapper.app>/Contents/Logs

There may be 2. I’d take a copy after each run. Don't delete them (it seems to not create anymore logs if you do). Maybe make them blank so you nknow where start and end of each test is.

[lilac trail]

Did you try the other engine with Direct3D option unchecked ?

Also in Tools -> Advanced section, select Change Engine Used. Then try to download additional engines as per the URL displayed there.

[tulip tiger]

using the gptk engine doesn't allow me to uncheck the D3D to metal

[tulip tiger]

got 2 more engine to test

[lilac trail]

That answers that question then 🤪 You’ve tried the tv one with and without the D3D option so we need to try to get other engines

[tulip tiger]

Yup going to try them rn

[lilac trail]

Cool. Probably leave D3 option on for each then off for each

[viral flame]

Any tips for the "could not overwrite executable" in Wineskin?

[lilac trail]

Yes 😁 Can you check something - go into the drive_c folder then Program Files (x86) - Grinding Gear Games - Path of Exile. What Path of Exile files do you see there - there should be an executable and a .tmp file I think

[viral flame]

I already tried removing the .tmp with no success.

For exes there are Client.exe, PathOfExile.exe and PathOfExile_x64.exe.

oh and PackCheck.exe

[lilac trail]

I made a post about it 🤪 Don’t delete the .tmp file. You just go into a loop. See if you can find my post first on what to do. Saves me the write up.

[lilac trail]

Found it - #mac-os🍎 message

[lilac trail]

@tulip tiger - I was able to replicate POE not starting under WS with any of the engines available (the 4 of them). Tried them with and without. the D3D to Metal option checked.
The environment is a clean install of Sonoma in a VM. I only had Rosetta, Homebrew and WS installed. When trying to use D3D it complained that requirements were not meet. When I didn't check D3D it simply failed to run POE. The renderer value was set correctly in both cases. I'm at a loss why it works for some people as per the pinned process but not others.
I have a few more tests to run. If it still doesn't work I'll report it to the developer.

[grave egret]

Has GGG said theyre aware and trying to fix this issue 😢

Has there been successes with Porting Kit / Parallel or Whsiky?

[lilac trail]

Parallels and Whisky are no-go’s. I posted my Whisky experience. You could try it though. Given the variation in success with apps that’s worked for me give portingkit a shot and then Whisky. Who knows, Whisky may work for you, but there were graphics issues and fps of 1 in HO for me. I never tried maps after that. There is a pinned message on how to setup portingkit.

Oh - and good luck trying to get any response out of GGG.

[grave egret]

Ah…. Hais ggg

[lilac trail]

So ... I can replicate the issue of POE not running inside a Mac VM. It will do this if I do not have the D3D to Metal flag checked, regardless of the 4 engines to choose from and renderer set to DirectX12. That's the good news. The bad news is if I select the D3D to Metal option with any engine it gives an error that it's unsupported because I need Apple Silicon and Sonoma 14.0 or higher - which is nuts since the VM is running Sonoma and the host is an M series laptop 🤷‍♂️

[proud igloo]

Might be tripping up on whatever filtered platform it's exposed as in the VM software.

Not sure if macOS has /proc/cpuinfo or some other way to query what you're running on, but it might be confused by something.

[lilac trail]

It's certainly confused 😀 It has happened with both WS and Whisky. I'm going to try portingkit because ... why not 🙃

[grave egret]

Think ill go back to spamming login on steam xd

[lilac trail]

Did you try PK ?

[grave egret]

Not yet

Currently not able to try until 7 hours later, not at home

[hard flint]

did anyone else have this issue while using wineskin

[lilac trail]

Yes - here is how to fix it - #mac-os🍎 message

[hard flint]

thanks! would i find the wineskin folder by just doing show package contents on the path of exile executable thing?

[lilac trail]

Yeap. The path should be drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile/ if I remember correctly. Once you make the change open the “new” executable and update should run properly.

[hard flint]

thanks so much! it worked

[hard flint]

also, would you know any way to raise the resolution?

it's stuck at like half of my screen resolution

[lilac trail]

You could try editing the production_Config.ini file under [DISPLAY] setting. I’m not sure if that will work.

I’m looking at another method suggested by someone in a Reddit thread but have not tested that yet.

[hard flint]

yeah i tried that manually but doesnt seem to work yet, if you do find that the other method works i'll give it a try

regardless thanks! you've been such a big help ❤️

[lilac trail]

See this thread - it involves using an app called BetterDisplay (it has a free and a Pro version for a small cost) to create a virtual display with settings you want. I haven’t tested but you could try it and let us know if it works. I don’t know if it will work on the free app or you have to buy the upgrade.

https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/s/STSYPmWVgS

[grave egret]

Any estimate as to when ggg would officially fix this

[proud igloo]

"it depends"

In general for games, one can't really tell from the outside how tricky it is, how far they've investigated to triage it, how it fares vs. other current events, etc.

There's also multiple issues at play. It's the patcher malfunction, the peeps that get proxy textures at times, the intentionally disabled engine multithreading, general performance mehness, anything else?
Crashes?

[grave egret]

understood, thank

i went back to download steam and reroll my logins, truly gameplay of all time

[proud igloo]

Game companies also tend to be quite conservative in what they say outwards as players have a tendency to latch on to things said or believed to be true at some point in time.

[grave egret]

yup, i agree, just hope theyu are doing smth. haha

[tulip tiger]

Also trying on a clean install using CO (currently not working) and going to try ws after exhausting all my tests with CO

[lilac trail]

You could add CXPatcher too and see if it helps

[lilac trail]

The standalone is probably a better option. It has multi-threading at least.

It’s bizarre that not one of the 4 alternatives seem to work for some people 😳

[grave egret]

i thought the standalone cant run? im using M2 mac

[lilac trail]

It can - the work around is annoying. There are multiple variations of the workaround, which makes it even more confusing. I wrote up a process that worked for me. I’ll link it.

[grave egret]

oh i seee, okay, wil. try when i can

[lilac trail]

Here is the process - #mac-os🍎 message
The standalone has other issues - graphics glitches and an FPS cap but it's performance will still be better than steam and the roll-the-dice-on-login attempts.

[lilac trail]

How did it go with CO ? I was able to replicate the issue others have reported with WS when trying to use the 4 engines available. For whatever reason the WS12Wine engines are trying to use Vulkan. The one I used is a WS11Wine engine. I've asked elsewhere how to get this engine for others to try. Some have reported that rc1 engine worked for them. I don't know how given the experience I replicated. So if CO is still being stuborn there might be a possibility WS will work if you can use the WS11 based engine.

[lilac trail]

I have tested an app called BetterDisplay. You can setup a virtual monitor with this program and give it a custom resolution, amongst other things. The application is free. Follow this guide on how to setup a virtual monitor in the app - https://github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay/discussions/2829
You can go up to 16K (on Sequoia), that is 8K HiDPI 🥹 . You need to allow 8K+ resolutions under Settings/Displays/Overview/Additional settings in the app.
You may find you need to arrange monitors properly after turning mirroring on and off. The mouse cursor may be locked into one screen if you don't.

I tested the process outlined in the Reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/s/STSYPmWVgS (NightlyRetaken).
Note: This is for a single inbuilt monitor ! For those who are running an external monitor as well as the inbuilt monitor it is a slightly different process.

For an external monitor you need to have the virtual monitor set to mirror the main display in the app (external monitor in my case). You then need to set the virtual monitor as the main display in the app. POE will then use the virtual display and resolution that you set when you created the virtual monitor.

To stop mirroring imply turn off the mirroring setting in either the app or under System settings -> Displays for the external monitor.

Warning: Do NOT open anything except POE on the virtual monitor. MacOS remembers previous settings so when you turn mirroring off the apps you opened will only exist on the VM. They'll be invisible on the normal monitor. If this happens just set the mirror again, drag the apps to the inbuilt monitor and close them. Then turn the mirror off again. That should fix the invisible app issue.

[hard flint]

thanks so much! will try it soon

[lilac trail]

Set virtual display resolution in System settings. Double click to make sure it sets. Then set primary display to mirror the virtual one (not the other way round !). Then check and click on the virtual monitor resolution again. Then fire up POE under WS. This should make POE see the correct resolution you set.

[tulip tiger]

Hey, couldn't make it work smh
I tried the patched version + some advanced options of cxpatcher, didn't change a thing
I will definitely try the WS11 engine tomorrow, didn't have the time to do it today but that's a good news

[lilac trail]

The WS11 is the one I used and worked. I can’t get the WS12 one’s to work. Some have, which is weird but the majority who can’t run WS tried the WS12 one’s and they didn’t. The problem is the WS11 isn’t an available download. I may have got more engines because I have portingkit installed 🤷🏼‍♂️ Hopefully someone tells me how to get WS11 engines so I can tell players here and they can retry WS.

[balmy laurel]

I think there is an option when you uninstall PK to just uninstall PK or PK + extras. If you just uninstall PK and then reinstall PK, you should get the option during setup to choose your engine and the ability to download/ install one from the PK list which is much more extensive than the other systems. Haven’t tested, working from memory.

[lilac trail]

I think you’re right. I have had portingkit installed for a while. It’s a bit odd that WS doesn’t have a similar list. As we’ve found out - not every game works with the default set provided by a fresh install of WS.

[balmy laurel]

Yeah the engines seem to be shared between the various WS apps

[hard flint]

tried this earlier and it worked perfectly. thank you!

[lilac trail]

So I went and tested the theory. Completely uninstalled both PK and WS. Reinstalled WS. For engines it only showed the 4 WS12 engines that do not work with DX12 and D3D to Metal checkbox.

Then installed PK. Checked engine options in WS. Still only the 4 engine options.
I then installed POE (just the installer) which asks for an engine. Kicked that off and bingo CX11 engine is now an option for WS 👍

So now I just need someone who could not install POE via WS to setup a barebones PK and then try WS with the “new” engine option, which is the one that worked for me. Hopefully POE should install and run properly for them as well. Maybe @tulip tiger can volunteer 😁

[lilac trail]

For all those folk who have tried setting up POE using WS but couldn't get it to run there may be a solution. The WS12 engines seemed to be the cause of the issue (why some could use these is a mystery). The WS11 Series seem to work. The problem was WS didn't have a method to download the WS11 engines. I found a solution today for this. Install PK. Then install an app - PoB or even the base POE (no need for full install. The first setup will do). Select the WS11WineCX64Bit23.7.1_D3DMetal-v1.1 engine from the drop down list. Once done go back to WS and the WS11Wine engine will now be available to use. Try installing POE via WS again with this engine (which is the one I used originally).

@grave egret , @azure ridge and perhaps @prisma rover I think were unsuccessful. If you have the strength to give it another shot, in the immortal words of Bullwinkle "This time for sure ..." 🤣

[proud igloo]

Woo, you found the missing backchannel of how the different engines manifested \o/

[lilac trail]

I found a way to get additional engines into WS yes. It’s a kludge but it works. I need someone who failed setting POE up with WS to give it another go with the WS11Wine engine. It’s a complete mystery why the WS12Wine engine don’t work for some but do for others. The log files indicate it’s trying to load Vulkan with WS12 engine which explains why it fails but that should mean it fails for everyone, yet it does not 🤷‍♂️

[grave egret]

I will gather up the will to try in a few business days

[grave egret]

trying this rn...

[tulip tiger]

Also trying rn

[grave egret]

🙏 i am pogging out

IT. FREAKING. WORKS.

engines are funni and weird

[tulip tiger]

omg LOGIN

[grave egret]

acidentally killed it by messing with screen

okay good fps wow

now to go run maps

[lilac trail]

Congrats to @Hellfire and @tulip tiger ! Perseverance pays off 👍 Now you can say goodbye to login and update hell. Once you’re happy with it you can delete steam and standalone (if you installed it) to free up space.

You can use the native Mac port of APT. For PoB use the Windows version via WS as well. It’s night and day.

If your resolution is locked but your system can do a higher resolution than what the game shows you in options (it’s grayed out) you can use the BetterDisplay (BD) fix I posted yesterday.

Last but not least, if you run into the “cannot overwrite …” message when patch updating see the fix I posted for that too.

[tulip tiger]

Well it was thx to you who found out how to install the WS11 engine so thanks for the research
Also by pure curiosity, I went to the WS github to see why we didn't have the full list of engine
Found out that Gcenx pushed a commit 2 weeks ago to remove upstream Engines and left the 4 engines we see without PK smh

[grave egret]

yea thank you so much man

120fps smooth no stutter

[tulip tiger]

back at it again 🙂

worked for a while, went to eat and closed the game, tried to open it again and...

[plucky swallow]

why vulkan though, should be dx-metal

[lilac trail]

Check the ini file. And the engine. That Vulkan loading thing happens with an incorrect ini configuration or incompatible engine

[tulip tiger]

Even with this configuration idk why it doesn't work anymore

[tulip tiger]

Ok so I looked at the poe client Logs and it seems that it's still launching with vulkan for some reason...
The ini file I updated is located at /Users/xxx/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile so I don't think i made a mistake here
Am i missing something lol

[tulip tiger]

Alright figured out the problem 🤡

needed to set

renderer_type=DirectX12

Don't know if it's a common mistake but it doesn't work otherwise..

[lilac trail]

Umm … that is what it’s supposed to be set to. It’s in the guide and videos. Glad you got it sorted 👍

[plucky swallow]

new info: i have another sign of successful login&play with native client

so i want to run it 1280x720 but it won't save it and runs windowed mode fit all free space between macos menubar and dock, so I've created apple command to resize poeclient and have to use it every time, but when after one of unsuccessful tries to login I run poe and it is in 1280x720 mode it logins fine

[lilac trail]

Nice 👍

Why not use the Windows client options though. Found a fix to incorrect engine yesterday. A number of players that could not run WS before now can with new process. Better FPS, no login hassles, updates smooth. Higher resolution if you have the system to do so too.

[proud igloo]

Hmm, I might have to install the Windows client and see how well it fares.

It feels a bit sad to abandon the One True Client tho.

[lilac trail]

Here is the wiki for using the Windows client on a Mac - https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:Path_of_Exile_on_Mac_using_Windows_Client

[edgy jacinth]

wow you made it to the official wiki Bob! You're famous

thanks for all the hard work you do and how much help you've given to so many ppl

zao too!

[lilac trail]

They’ll let anybody on there 🤣

[wet pasture]

this is honestly infuriating. I can't find the executable and my fking mac doesn't even show folders in a standard tree/subarch style. Can someone please tell me how tf i find my poeinstall execuatable if I installed this from steam macos app?

Sonoma 14.6.1 / m3pro

[grave egret]

which step are you at

[wet pasture]

wineskin everything is done > select executable > can't find dick

maybe there is an option to unhide folders or something on mac, i am 100% a windows guy or linux... but i got this macbook for travel and work stuff and the folder searching is driving absolutely batshit crazy

[grave egret]

You have downloaded the POE.exe from their website right

[wet pasture]

no, steam. So i would also need to do standalone?

[grave egret]

Yes

[wet pasture]

ugh ok

ty for that

[grave egret]

Np

[wet pasture]

mobile atm so can't do it on hotspot or i will get hosed, but will try that later

[grave egret]

This method means you dont have to launch from steam, so you can uninstall on steam side to free up space

[wet pasture]

the annoying thing is, every night i have at SOME POINT been able to get into game

[grave egret]

Just make sure to connect your steam account to your POE account

[wet pasture]

but i can't connect dots on any method i have done to make sense

[grave egret]

Yes same, but i dont really wanna roll the login rng 50 times hahahha

[wet pasture]

yeah they are connected, i use trade and forums

50... ha

rookie numbers

[proud igloo]

Fun fact, it's almost possible to make a tool that converts from a Steam install to a macOS or Windows GGPK.

[grave egret]

You lost me at ggpk

[grave egret]

I rather spend time clicking my fuse orbs 😢

[wet pasture]

almost? do it bro. Don't let your memes be dreams or something

i need to get on so i can die in HC again

[proud igloo]

I haven't figured out what GGDH files are yet, and if those are important for patching.

Would be a fun tool to try to write, but I don't want to support any more stuff.

It would save people the most of the redownload if coming from Steam and probably convert fully over from macOS standalone data files to PC ones.

[wet pasture]

don't worry guys, i did absolutely nothing different and got in game

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-10093852890875433850

[proud igloo]

It's gonna be rough fitting another PoE1 here:

Filesystem        Size    Used   Avail Capacity iused ifree %iused  Mounted on
/dev/disk3s3s1   228Gi    19Gi    55Gi    26%    404k  575M    0%   /

[grave egret]

🤔 didnt do the wine install?

[lilac trail]

I think they mean they finally got into the game via the painful, ugly existing process.

[proud igloo]

I'm partway through the WS (+PK) setup process now, instructions largely OK.

PC laptop went to sleep at 82% transferring the GGPK

[lilac trail]

A file that size would put anyone to sleep 😜

[lilac trail]

There is an option to unhide folders on a Mac. The key combo is cmd+shift+. (yes a period) I don’t think any of the directories (folders) you need are hidden though.

The PathofExileInstaller.exe is downloaded by logging into the website, clicking on the PC icon in the upper right hand side and downloading the Windows installer file. It’s not large (22mb ?). That file will go to your downloads folder.

Since this is a fresh install of WS you are going to need to install portingkit as well to get the correct engine. Otherwise the setup will not work.

Follow the first 8 steps of the portingkit setup guide (not beyond that). You can download portingkit from portingkit.com

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail Interesting thing - my production_Config.ini is three bytes with only a BOM inside.

Primary thing I diverged with was that I planted my old PC Content.ggpk in the drive_c to avoid having to patch it.

Created itself with a failed launch, so all good.

[wet pasture]

thx bob

[lilac trail]

There is a pinned message on how to download the Installer file from GGG website. I forgot that was there.

Don’t forget there are also a bunch of videos that take you through the install steps as well. Link to those should be part of the pinned message on WS setup.

[lilac trail]

I think even if you didn’t circumvent the ggpk piece the initial ini is blank. It can’t really populate until you launch the game. You can always edit and put the renderer option in before launching. It may or may not get overwritten. I think I mention that in the guide. A bit of a pain but ok as long as you are aware of the behaviour.

[proud igloo]

Game ran, could kind of map a bit, slightly better than macOS standalone I think.

[grave egret]

the Heist city crashed my game lmfao

[lilac trail]

Hi @copper rose - I've moved several of the pinned posts to an actual wiki page over at the poewiki so would like to reduced the clutter of pinned messages by removing a number of them and replacing with the one pinned post that has the URL for the wiki in it. Rather than links I thought it might be easier if I give you the headings. Can you removed the following pinned messages (not from the channel just the pinned section).

1. For those who aren't able to setup PK, Crossover or GPTK there is another
2. POE portingkit (not GPTK) Setup guide.
3. Install CrossOver (Paid)
4. Path of Exile Install guide (GPTK only) - part 1 of 2.

Please pin this link - #mac-os🍎 message when you get a chance. Thxs !

[atomic herald]

bob, i have an idea that u can make threads about different topics on here, the threads are maybe easier to follow than if its too much pinned

[lilac trail]

Thanks. I think the wiki page just created will help for guides to setup of the Windows client for Mac but I'm all ears on sugestions about making it easier to follow other topics here.

[atomic herald]

yea that was a great move - i love it!

but to think of in future - i think threads are a nice add on here :)

[lilac trail]

Yes. Oh I get you - you’re suggesting to create a thread. I’ve seen those in action. Those would be a good idea if a conversation needs to go back and forward more than a few times. Great suggestion 👍

I just need to figure out how to do those 🤣

[atomic herald]

on the computer its easy, on the first comment find the 3 dots beside the smileyoption - click the 3 dots and chose "create thread"

[copper rose]

Awesome! Unpinned and pinned!

Thanks for your work and dedication!

[atomic herald]

these videos would be perf in a thread, easier to find

[lilac trail]

I’ll experiment with this when I get home. How would they be easier to find in a thread though - by giving the thread a meaningful title ?

[atomic herald]

u can see threads by the hover over the mac-os channel, atm we have zero active threads, check the other channels and u will see it :)

so u can go directly to a thread that way, and when u join a thread u can see when something is added to it, u can see it like it was a channel of its own

[proud igloo]

The discoverability of threads is a bit meh, as they don't show up prominently and hide themselves in the sidebar even from followers after a while.

[atomic herald]

well, if we dont use them... then ppl dont learn to use them - and you can make a bump on them to refresh

[lilac trail]

I think they’ll be good to use when someone needs help migrating to a windows client. Instead of a long thread in here you can move the conversation to the thread and keep things a little cleaner here.

It’s been quiet the last few days. Apart from Piratika and Chidorin have all the Mac users (all 20 of us) migrated off of steam and standalone client now 😁

[lilac trail]

Hi @copper rose - 2 more to remove when you get the chance

1. Steam to Standalone Migration process
2. The last pinned message (which is the download URL on GGG website). This redundant I think.

Please pin this message - #mac-os🍎 message

I think that'll do for cleanup of my stuff. Thxs !

[lilac trail]

@copper rose Ah - shoot - one more to pin please - #mac-os🍎 message

[copper rose]

Done!

[plucky swallow]

ok, for 5 times in a row successful logins and loadings native poe with algorithm: run steam poe, run predefined apple resize command for poe app at 1280x720, press login, you see low poly lods/polygons of templar that means it won't load so just close the window and start again - should be at 1280x720 that means it was successful, login, normal templar, play, normal loading screen, farm maps

[lilac trail]

How many times do you have to do that before you get a successful login ? Do you have to run the game at 1280x720 -that isn’t a great resolution. You should post the script or commands used in case someone else wants to use this method instead of the other options.

[atomic herald]

what version of macOS u use?

[plucky swallow]

14.5

[atomic herald]

and u manage run native via steam, impressing 👍

[plucky swallow]

key point: set 720p resolution, close, start again poe and it should be 720p leading to successfeul login

after login I think you can change resolution

by dragging window sides or by using full screen button

[atomic herald]

i made a thread ;)

[atomic herald]

if u want to fill in that info in the thread and if it comes more u want to add there 💞

[lilac trail]

I was just thinking of that to see how it would go 🙂

[plucky swallow]

may be something specific to my system so others should test it before sharing to masses, i guess

[lilac trail]

True but if it is just the game resolution that should work for everyone regardless of system (though that low a resolution may cause other issues. I know my cursor in POE gets cut in half if I make the screen 3800x2160 for some reason).

[proud igloo]

@plucky swallow I forget, how much RAM did you have on your machine?

Smells like there may be by far not enough (V)RAM and a smaller window means slightly less usage from render targets.
Maybe check the stats on F1 to see if/how much is used.

[plucky swallow]

8gb

[proud igloo]

Oof, yeah. That might do it.

[lilac trail]

@plucky swallow That's going to be a challenge to run POE at a decent FPS on any system. What's the model and processor ?

[plucky swallow]

m2

[lilac trail]

I'm assuming Pro or is it Max ?

[plucky swallow]

no, base m2 mac mini

30 fps with drops during some visuals from different content, i guess they are not optimized on every platform

delve is ok though 😁

[lilac trail]

That's pretty good FPS with that setup 👍

[lilac trail]

Is GGG active on X. There sure aren’t on Reddit (not that I blame them) and no-one responds to forum posts. Still quite a number of players asking for an update. Thought maybe it’s better to go to X. I hate going there given who owns it, plus they shutdown my favourite Twitter client so I haven’t been there since the purchase. It would be nice to see some sort of announcement. Workaround are not meant to be permanent.

[proud igloo]

I reckon that sentiment is gathered from all over the web.

[plucky swallow]

i guess they are focused on poe2

[proud igloo]

The signal value on X is probably not super high, considering the kind of kneejerk responses the platform lends itself to; hard to have a discussion or focused thread.

Not sure how active you're in the forum thread, but it might help describe succinctly how dire the situation is and the extent of workarounds you need to do, with new and returning players having quite a hurdle to get over, if at all.

[lilac trail]

Which forum - X or GGG ? I have posted a link to both the discord here and also the wiki page now on over 6 GGG forum posts, plus several threads letting people know of the alternatives (as has Chidorin). I’m surprised I haven’t been banned for being a spam. bot 🤣

There are several posts on the official forum pleading for some sort of update. They aren’t crazy rants either. Some players have been along for the ride since closed beta.

I mean ultimately it’s just a game but look at the community that has grown up around it. People has invested personal time and money. The least a company can do is tilt their head and acknowledge when players are impacted as severely as the last league. If GGG can’t cope with the current environments how on earth are they going to effectively manage 2 games once POE 2 is released 😬

[atomic herald]

i think that it isnt GGG that is the problem, i am afraid that it is apple that have a system that is not compatible with normal gaming-programming, well i guess also apple arent easy to get any info out of, to help the programmers, or something like that.

but yea, if crossover and a pc-game-install works, i guess i am not correct...

[lilac trail]

It’s only partly an Apple issue. It all began around 3.17.4 and and the release of a new OS. It’s become progressively worse. 8 leagues is more than enough time to sort something out. That’s on GGG

[atomic herald]

well, i will blame apple anyway until i know better 😜

(i know nothing about programming, i am just an old lady) 😆

[proud igloo]

Game forums. As long as you have enough information there so it's not just contained in here, been a while since I looked in the thread.

There's what: the broken patcher/launcher, disabled multithreading for reasons, some crashes, Chidorin's poor behaviour under severe resource constraints?

(and the good old problems like refresh rate etc., of course)

[lilac trail]

Graphics challenges as well. Apart from that it’s all fine 😁
I’ve posted elsewhere where it makes sense but really, outside GGG and Reddit, this channel is about it.

Just saw a comment on a GGG forum to my post about the wiki. TLDR - they don’t want to bootcamp (so Intel) and they aren’t going to use game portingkit. GGG should apparently learn GPTK (so they clearly have no clue). When you have people like that around GGG can’t win and a post to a gaming forum seems a waste of good energy 🤔

[proud igloo]

Players know their ABCs. Always Be Complaining.

[atomic herald]

when i dig into apple a little, i see they are announcing that they now start to sell games on app store, and i would not be surprised if this is the problem for GGG, that to join in there it is not beneficial for GGG, and to program games for new silicon mac outside that partnership is hindered by apple? just my fantasy

my guess is that apple dont like free downloads of games... they want some money

[lilac trail]

All the tools to build a game for Apple’s platform are free. There are some bits and pieces you pay for if needed. If you put a game on the App Store Apple take a cut of the price. Steam, Epic and others do the same, so that’s nothing new. Since POE is free 30% of 0 is still zero so GGG could post their game there. I’m not a developer so I’ve no idea all the nuances of the App Store but I expect it has certain requirements a company needs to meet (just like if you want to use the Sony or XBox platforms). GGG may not be able to or want to comply with those.

The other aspect is Apple want you to use their eco system - which revolves around Metal - think of it as the equivalent of DirectX and other game development tools. If you have a Reddit account join the r/macgaming channel. There is some interesting reading there about Metal vs DirectX and why Apple do not support things like Vulkan (MK on Apple). Hishnash does a great job of explaining the technology on there 👍

Next up is Apple’s history of either deprecating or dropping things altogether (32 bit for example). Apple sometimes give advanced warning and sometimes not. When Apple dropped support for 32-bit apps and games it did not go down well in the gaming community. While some might have been ok, a lot of game developers were left high and dry with games that were now completely unusable. The TLDR - Apple burned the trust bridge and have never been able to rebuild it.

Last but not least in this steaming bowl of porridge is a simple fact of market economics. The market for games on Mac is abysmal (it’s fine on iOS and iPAD). There are almost more games on Linux than Macs. Given that hardly anyone is going to build a game on that platform. Blizzard is the most recent glaring example. They did not release a Mac client for D4. They certainly have the $$$ to do so but clearly made the call not to.

So given that it becomes a chicken and egg then - no-one build a game, therefore no developers with the skills. No-one learns the skills because there aren’t many game companies building Mac games, because …..you get the picture. Plus the Apple platform lacks some of the features DirectX has had for a while, such as Ray tracing (though I believe Metal has an equivalent, but again hardly anyone uses it so it’s effectively non-existent.).

This is where GGG (Tencent) are caught at the moment. They clearly don’t have the in-house resources to deal with Mac. I don’t know why they feel they can offer a Mac client given that. Tencent would probably have the resources but I think the agreement is Tencent look after China and GGG the rest of the world and never shall the 2 sets of resources meet. That seems pretty clear.

And they can’t hire the resources (probably not for lack of trying) . I don’t know where they post for jobs but I bet there isn’t a posting up for a Mac developer, or if there is, it’s so old it has cobwebs 🤣

[plucky swallow]

when you lack skills you try to do less work by saying of “not gaming platform”, not supported by os; the whole idea of programming is to make whatever you want where ever you want, it’s today’s gamedev consists of people that buy assets and tune them in unreal engine, that’s why frostbite engine trashed as there are no competent developer in dice to support the engine what most do is making 3d shiny objects and scenes that even 4090 barely runs at 30 fps

interesting part is that indie devs making for mac, I guess because they don’t have investors to count only money

[atomic herald]

yea this is what i mean, it would be a costly effort for GGG

[plucky swallow]

since devs bought out by publishers they instantly stop making macos games

making for macos is good investment in terms audience attitude and optimization as it’s fine fps on mac then there should be no problems on windows

[atomic herald]

and yea, the old port to intelmac that i am using, it was made during some short years when mac used intel, and some games were fast to test that, and i think they wont jump on the silicon mac train, i think that would cost too much, to hire new programmers and so on - thanks a lot for the detailed explain, and i know i am not good at explaining - but this confirm my thoughts

[atomic herald]

this i havent heard of, intresting

and about diablo - i was a diabloplayer in many years, and yea - i do know they abandoned mac os, so i abandoned blizzard...

About mac and gaming development on the platform

[lilac trail]

GPTK is Apple’s attempt to encourage developers to make a native port for the Mac. It is supposed to “show” if a game will run. While it does that, there is still development work to be done and no-one is going to do that work when they can get a better return via Windows, Xbox, PS5 and so on. Plus until the most recent release of GPTK ray tracing wasn’t even a thing, so no-one that used ray tracing was going to even entertain the thought.

Oh and guess what - the M series didn’t support ray tracing - I think it is in M3 but not M2. If Apple can’t get there stuff together on these things why do they expect others to just blindly jump in.
To cap it off - ray tracing in GPTK is only available using v2.0 if you are also running Sequioa - a beta product. No-one is going to run beta products just to take advantage of that feature. I don’t know who is running the game development platform over at Apple but they seem to be putting the cart before the horse 🤔

[atomic herald]

i dont know what ray tracing is, i will google

i guess apple hope that sequioa will give a boost further on gaming then, in future

[lilac trail]

If you want to play with Sequoia without impacting the primary partition on your system create a VM in UTM and load Sequoia into it. Easiest way to do that.

[atomic herald]

ok, i got its about the graphics

[atomic herald]

i mean maybe in future when not beta and when poe is ported there (in my dreams) xD

[lilac trail]

GGG use their own engine. I don’t know if they use ray tracing. Maybe as part of POE 2.0 🤷🏼‍♂️

[scenic belfry]

How do you copy paste this link???

Damn anyone?

Nvm got it

[atomic herald]

i am sry, i never trade

[deft stone]

Hi there, I'm sorry to bother but I am playing poe on a Apple M1 Max (32gb memory) macbook and I have a really though time with lag. Is there any suggested settings or file changes I can use to alleviate things?

[proud igloo]

On normal OSes, Ctrl-V pastes, Ctrl-C copies.

(Windows)

[lilac trail]

That depends on a few things. Lag can be due to ISP connection speed, WiFi or Ethernet, router and/or game settings. Have you verified your connection and ISP are all running without issues ? What are configured settings you are using for POE (including network) and in where are you suffering lag - HO, Heist, Maps and so on.

[proud igloo]

On the diagnostic panel on the F1 key you can see some bars and timings that may suggest what is going on.

[plucky swallow]

may be network mode can help in options

[atomic herald]

i can show the settings i use in poe options, and still i have low fps in fights, M1 max, 32 gb ram, mac studio, Monterey OS - poe mac native standalone

[atomic herald]

if this can help

the texture filtering i have no idea how that works, i guess i made wrong there 😜

[proud igloo]

Textures have several detail levels, each half the size of the other. The GPU when drawing a pixel picks a level that closely matches the magnification/minification of the pixel.
In bilinear filtering, it picks a level and interpolates inside it.
In trilinear filtering, it picks two levels, interpolates inside each and then blends between both based on how good a fit they are.
In anisotropic filtering, it considers that triangles can be at an angle against the camera, looking in multiple places in the texture based on the slope.
Trilinear is essentially free, low anisotropic filtering is probably fine, higher anisotropic filtering does a bit more work.

The quality impact it has is that triangles that extend inwards or outwards along the camera direction look crisper.

[atomic herald]

thanks! 💞

[grave egret]

Theres no incentive for Devs to produce for the Mac platform i suppose, i assume the market isnt that big compared to pc users?

[atomic herald]

look the thread about this #mac-os🍎 message

[lilac trail]

It’s not even a rounding error. On steam I think there are more Linux than Mac users. Mac account for less than 15% of the PC market, maybe less. Also - look at Apple’s history - they’ve had 3 architecture changes at least, and every one of those has resulted in completely dead app and games. Would you want to make a game for the Mac given that.

[grave egret]

Apple doesnt give two farts about the gaming industry then i suppose

[atomic herald]

they are telling: "A wealth of exciting new games"
here:
https://apps.apple.com/us/story/id1742662181

Apple are so proud that a few games...

[lime zephyr]

Guys, I have been unable play the game from steam client on my Mac M1, if I download the standalone version, will I be able to play the game on my mac and will I be able to login with the same credentials?

[proud igloo]

MacOS has the same standalone/steam connection like PC PoE1 has. You can follow existing guides to associate a Standalone login with a Steam account.

If you have a PC standalone login already, you can use that as-is.

[lime zephyr]

Can you please point me towards the guide?

I just uninstalled the steam version from my macbook

[proud igloo]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1839008

In short, you log into the website with Steam, and then associate an email and password with it in your account settings.

If something goes wrong or if you're uncertain, you could email support to sort out the mess.

[lilac trail]

You should check out the pinned messages section. It has a number of references and a link to a wiki on how to connect to POE without the issues steam and the standalone currently have.

[proud igloo]

They still need correctly wired accounts, tho 🙂

[lethal osprey]

hello together...i guess you talked alot about the current issue with Login-Problems on Macs etc. I tried out the guide to use "CrossOver". With that done, the Login now works fine. But ingame i do often have Network-Crashes. Does anyone have the same issue and mb a solution?

here my crossover settings

[lilac trail]

For sure - that’s why there are 4 steps on the wiki if someone has a steam account and wants to go standalone 🤓

[lilac trail]

Settings are fine. If you are crashing in-game it's probably a game issue, especially if it is happening in a specific place like Heist. You could look on GGG forum and see if anyone else has a similar issue. You can press FN+F1 to activate the activity monitor and see what FPS, Latency and other metrics are at the time. Might lead to a clue.

[lilac trail]

Do we dare to hope - https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1exl1kk/path_of_exile_2_hopefully_native_metal_arm_client/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[plucky swallow]

the only reason i see that they’ve dropped poe1 a year ago and just were making template leagues while focused on rewriting/refactoring engine from scratch

[atomic herald]

yea i wish

[proud igloo]

Maybe it's iOS 😉

Connect a controller to your iPad and watch it go up in flames.

[grave egret]

help.....

i restarted already

nvm i mdumb i am readin ght epinned now

[grave egret]

genius

[lilac trail]

I can’t take the credit for the solution. I came across it in a forum post I think. It wasn’t explained very well so I polished it up so it was a little easier to follow and then pinned it here. Saves others digging for it elsewhere.

I might start playing again but having to rebuild my characters every time plus having to recreate the atlas passive trees 3 times is NOT motivating. The least GGG could do is give us a way to export the settings. I have them (or had them) in the planner on maxroll but those are almost useless given the changes made to the atlas.

I have 1 build that survived untouched (it’s probably my favourite so that’s good). The whole point of playing standard is not having to start from scratch every 3 months 🤨

Another hotfix without any fixes for Mac issues I see 🙄

[frozen spear]

The only fix I needed for a comfortable gaming experience was "crossover use"

[edgy jacinth]

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[lilac trail]

Interesting. I’ve played every Diablo release (yes I am that old). D4 is a little rough around the edges but improving all the time. Unlike POE it has a mode to skip the campaign after you have completed it again. This is nice. Vessel of Hatred is an add-on being released in October.

As @Unifer notes you have to have Crossover or I believe it will also run in Wineskinserver and/or portingkit. It’s a nice break from POE when you need one. It’s also double XP at the moment. And if you have never played it - go check out Inarius vs Lilith on YouTube. One of the best cinematics ever (and no it isn’t a spoiler).

[upbeat relic]

can you play on mac now?

[proud igloo]

I believe the usual glitches this league are still there, the PC client still seems to be the most robust approach.

[deft stone]

(Sorry for the late reply) I am lagging hard whenever I activate any game content that spawns in enemies, I can't even do heists because I'm just playing at 2FPS. Not sure if its network, it seems mostly like performance.

[lilac trail]

Lag in game

[stable aurora]

hi idownloaded the game but is not starting

i have a m1 mbp

[balmy laurel]

what platform?

Steam / Native MacOS / or one of the hosted Windows versions?

[stable aurora]

native

[lilac trail]

You need to provide more information. We’ve no idea what error you are getting when trying to start. Also how much memory is on your system

[tulip tiger]

Do you guys know how to make awakened poe trade work in game ? It does launch (either from the console or from the app) but when i hit the shortcuts to view item price etc, it doesn't work

• it's buggy when popping the overlay and settings menu

[lilac trail]

I don’t use APT but I assume you have restarted it ?Sometimes that is necessary apparently.

[plucky swallow]

windowed mode? poe launched first?

[stable aurora]

It’s not giving no error message ,it just won’t start I hit play and it goes away to play again and my system it’s 16GB