mac-os🍎

[proud igloo]

You people keep tempting me to look at why it's failing. Good thing I'm far away from my M1 Mini now.

I hear from people who play with the controller UI on PC that it's not that bad. One thing to remember is that player population and trade availability on the consoles are a fair bit slimmer, and leagues start almost a week later.
Not sure how the Mac experience is overall, or if they even have the controller UI or if that's a Windows only thing.

[lilac trail]

This doesn’t work, for me. The issue is the app just crashes and soon as you try to launch it. It happens if you use the terminal as well so there is no work around.

@proud igloo - I can send you the crash log. That Mac mini needs something to do 😁

[proud igloo]

Well, that's the nice thing, it's a good 250km away.

[lilac trail]

What - you haven’t setup ssh on it 😳😁

[proud igloo]

Sure, but that doesn't help with interacting with the desktop.

[lilac trail]

Maybe when you are closer to it then 🤣

[trim kite]

What site are you using to value your items?

[trim kite]

I've never used a controller I just use mouse and keyboard on my mac. Controller seems weird for this kind of game to me but idk. As for mac performance It works fine for the most part but I think it does struggle more when you get into endgame content. It's much more laggy/jumpy at times however I wonder if thats because the game isnt optimized for my apple silicon rather than the old intel macs. I can't wait to see how it performs in PoE 2 because its quite powerful otherwise and I assume PoE 2 will be built around the new Macs.

[proud igloo]

I honestly don't know if they would consider shipping on macs at all for that, given the abandonment that they have for 1 on the platform and how 2 seems to be a step up in requirements.
I guess they might feel a need to thanks to selling MTX to current players, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that they would.

If they haven't had the engineers or resources to improve the client up to now, it's not like it's going to improve up to launch and post-launch.

[lilac trail]

poeprices.info

[fleet anvil]

Hey does anyone know of an alternative to x-Mouse for Mac? For scroll to click? Please and thank you!

[trim kite]

just chiming in to say I would also like to know this. Very annoying stutter stepping all the time while trying to use my attacks.

[lone radish]

Hey y'all, I was wondering what the difference was between playing on Mac the way the pinned message is saying it and just using the steam client? I run my Poe on the steam client thru my m2 pro and it doesn't seem to have performance issues?

[glass badger]

I'm new, play on Mac M1, I notice some slowdown in towns or when I first leave a town into a zone, but the loading screens even on the SSD are like 30+ seconds

[fossil dock]

Clean shader cache, after that you first time get long loading screen but after some times it disapier

[fossil dock]

I got my M3max and now APT not starting for me too....

@lilac trail solution is easy in some place where you add APT to Accessibility need add Terminal or Iterm, after that my solution with running APT from console start working

[lilac trail]

Did it keep crashing with an unexpected error message ? I think I do have the app in accessibility but I’ll go look now

[fossil dock]

Yes, I add iTerm and APT to accessibility and now it start on fresh macos

[lilac trail]

I have both iTerm and APT in Security-Accessibility. App still pukes

[fossil dock]

Strange...

[rain bluff]

Hi! Just fixed one of my issues getting into the game (old version of Steam didn’t have the right… something or other for MacPro, so needed new installer), but now I’m at the game play issue of controls. I’m used to WASD or arrows for movement and QWER(T) for weapons, and I can’t for the life of me figure out how to config that in the options.

So I’m left using my track pad to maneuver, and yet Q still takes my PC to the cursor AND THEN attacks, and I have to hold shift to stay put at melee. Help 😅😭

[fossil dock]

PoE 1 don't work with WASD move

[proud igloo]

Sef is doing a decent job with joy2key mapping to play with gamepad before the new UI.
You should be able to configure individual skill binds to attack in place by interacting with the skill icon and click the option.
In general tho, its one of those things you can fight uphill towards, but it really doesn't lend itself well to playing in any but the ordained manner.

[fossil dock]

Soooo... I can say, after 5 maps, on M3max(40) via Crossover® PoE work much better, more stable FPS, not full CPU load, time to enter to cart smaller

[rain bluff]

I’m very green, where do I find joy2key?

[proud igloo]

Sorry, I mean on Windows, for mapping in controllers to the original PoE UI.

(there's a dedicated controller UI these days on the Windows clients and the consoles)

I'd personally recommend trying to adopt the type of play that the client naturally encourages in regular or controller mode; rather than try to shoehorn it into an interaction style that the game really doesn't have.

[hard arch]

Anyone having issues with PoE crashing on exit?

[proud igloo]

Woo, I'm one of the cool kids, APT crashed when trying to go to Accessibility Settings.

[brazen silo]

PoE doesn't seem to remember to use Full Screen mode when I re-open the game even after I saved the settings.

[brazen silo]

Anyway able to get Path of Building running on Silicon (M1,M2) chip?

[lilac trail]

I don’t feel special anymore 🤣 Did you poke around to see why it just crashes ?

[proud igloo]

When run from the Terminal, it pops the prompt about accessibility settings; where if you allow Terminal to "control your computer", it runs properly the next time.
When run as an Application and it prompts for accessibility settings, it pops the prompt and then crashes regardless of if it's allowed.

I didn't dig deeper, just mentioned it to Snos and went on with my day as I don't have any interest in reading JS code 😄

[wintry holly]

I'm using Wineskin + POB portable version, works perfectly.

[lilac trail]

When I run it via the terminal command in iTERM it crashes out the same way as it does via the app itself 🤔 I have both iTERM and the App set correctly in accessibility. I don’t know if it’s related to Sonoma or not but it’s entirely frustrating 🙃

[proud igloo]

My first run in whatever is before Sonoma seemed to work, while Sonoma had the above.

[brazen silo]

Do you have any guide on how you did it or something?

[lilac trail]

Download portingkit (portingkit.com). Install Windows version of PoB in that. You now have PoB running on a Mac 👍

[brazen silo]

Huhh. Weird that I've never heard of it.

[wintry holly]

sry no guide... wait.. i saw there's a thread in the pinned message, check it!

[brazen silo]

Question to all, how much FPS do you get and which Mac machine do you have?

[brazen silo]

@wintry holly This ended up working, but I don't particularly like using unpopular software (Porting Kit), feels sketicher to me.

[proud igloo]

Wine-based solutions is going to get real messy when the beta runtime ships as live.
If you've got a throw-away installation that currently works, try checking the beta checkbox in PoB's Options and upgrading; see for me how much it fails to run afterwards?

[lilac trail]

You can pay for Crossover if you’d prefer. The only difference between the 2 is that portingkit is free

[lilac trail]

I can give that a shot in the New Year.

[brazen silo]

@lilac trail How many FPS do you get? I'm having super-low FPS now.

(On POE, not PoB.)

[terse mason]

I don't know which channel would be right channel but is there anyone who uses awakened poe trade with m1 ?

[lilac trail]

I use POE via GPTK setup. Get about 50-55fps in HO. Lower in-game but generally 35-45. The maximum you can get via the Mac client itself is the mid 50’s. For some reason the Mac client is capped at 60fps, unlike the Windows version.

[proud igloo]

On running PoE in Wine, someone shared me this amusing tale the other day:

[lilac trail]

Wow - that is impressive. TBF false positives do exist and there are always two sides to every story. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were cheat engines for the Linux platform.

[real tree]

anyone got awakened poe trad working on mac? i keep getting stuck in the permission loop

[hallow laurel]

Myea

What steps did you take?

[hallow laurel]

Doesnt your wineskin say that “it is busy”?

I am trying to open something else with it

[hallow laurel]

also anyone playing in mac air m1?

[fossil dock]

I think air m1 have not enough memory and GPU power

[fossil dock]

Try search, I have some solution with terminal/iterm2 starting

[fossil dock]

Search here in topic

[hallow laurel]

myea and i think because the app is intel it messes up even more

[fossil dock]

Sad but true

[hallow laurel]

tho i dont have any problems pc things besides compasses

if i roll 50 i need to manually check each

[stuck matrix]

Is it currently better to run the game through standalone Rosetta 2 app or through Crossover with GPTK?

[lilac trail]

I assume you mean is it better to run the Mac client, such as it is, or run POE via GPTK instead, using the Windows standalone.
Game wise there is little difference in performance between them so it comes down to personal preference to a large degree. The Mac client is a pain whenever a patch is released if you are on Sonoma, or the version prior to that (still works properly on Monterey). Apple made some changes to file and folder permissions that causes issues. There is a pinned message outlining the workaround for it. GGG won’t provide an update to the client, so we are stuck with it as is. There is also a hard cap on FPS in the Mac client. You cannot go above 60FPS.

Using the GPTK method does not have either of these issues, so personally I use that. There is a pinned message on how to setup POE using GPTK.

I personally could not get POE to run properly via Crossover. It will install but performance is awful. Some folk in this forum (Gordon) are running POE via Crossover (not Crossover+GPTK) successfully so it might be an option if you already own a copy. I would not attempt it via CXPatcher+Crossover or Whisky+Crossover. Both of these use an old version of Crossover.

[stuck matrix]

Yeah I was playing through Steam on Mac but was wondering if just using the newest Crossover release would be better. I believe Crossover now has GPTK.

[lilac trail]

Crossover has components of GPTK now that’s true - but you have to have a licensed copy to use it after the 2 week trial. GPTK itself on the other hand is completely free.

There is another potential option - GeForce Now. If you have a game library from Steam, GOG or another one that escapes me (Epic maybe) you can use this service. It’s basically a VM. It has a free as well as paid tiers.

[stuck matrix]

I do already have Crossover. Would totally use GeForce now if I had access to ethernet but unfortunately I have to play over 5ghz wifi.

[hallow laurel]

anyone plays with a steelseries wireless mouse?

i want to know if the steelseries app works with m1, they say some features might not, i only wnat to know the dpi modifier

[lilac trail]

Looks like GGG servers are puking again. I can't even download the latest patch for a Windows box in the last 2 days. The Windows section of this forum has seen some interesting conversations concerning EU servers. Why is it so hard to have reliable servers, at least for patches ....

[tawdry mountain]

it normal i got 30-45fps medium setting on Sonoma M1 Ultra 64Gb ram?, run from poe steam mac

[lilac trail]

That's normal for the standalone Mac client. Not sure about via Steam though. Probably is.

[stuck matrix]

@fossil dock You said POE was working well for you with Crossover and Msync. How did you get it to work? I get the error “vk::device::createquery pool unique” when I launch the game.

[lilac trail]

R U using Vulkan or DX12 ? That looks like a Vulkan issue. Change it in the config file if currently using Vulkan

[stuck matrix]

Thx

I will try that

[fossil dock]

Yes it work, you need edit Poe config file to choose DX12

[fossil dock]

I write about it here

[unkempt topaz]

im using sonoma and poe crashes everytime i open it since 3.23.1 patch

[proud igloo]

In the patcher as it has downloaded some 40 megs and get around to patch, or after patching the whole bunch of gigs (8.84 GiB for me)?
I had to remove the Path of Exile.app in Application Support to get it to get past crashing on fork+exec on the small patch.
Still patching so don't know if it actually launches after that.

[unkempt topaz]

yep I removed both the cache and app

redownloading poe rn

12 percent

😭

[proud igloo]

Launched properly to main menu after it had patched fully.

[unkempt topaz]

hmm so what did you do to solve it

i tried removing the app and redownloading it but didn't work so

had to remove everything

[proud igloo]

Partial deletion as described vaguely here: #mac-os🍎 message

[unkempt topaz]

i did entire wipe kek

[proud igloo]

I don't remember which patch I was on before this, I don't really use my mac.

[unkempt topaz]

lol

[proud igloo]

I only really bought it to do tool development on arm64, and apparently to troubleshoot crashes.

[lilac trail]

What do you mean vaguely 🙂 TBF these are for the standalone client since that is what I use. I'm not sure it barfs if you use the Steam client

[unkempt topaz]

oml

it works

[unkempt topaz]

i use standalone but decided to delete the whole thing kek

[lilac trail]

That's weird. You should not have had to do that. I just remove PathOfExile.app and it updates.

[unkempt topaz]

i didn't know about the prev method so i deleted all

[lilac trail]

Anyone running Diablo4 via GPTK atm. Yes I know this is the POE channel but we all play other games. I'm having an issue reinstalling battle.net. I just hangs, never completes in terminal. Tried re-installing multiple times, same thing. I've already asked multile times in the Apple Gaming wiki. Seems pretty quite over there 🤷‍♂️ (which is a polite way of saying it's useless and no-one is responding ...🤣 )

[proud igloo]

I know that one of the pinned things is a bit off and I couldn't be arsed validating which one it was.
I was also dead tired about to go to bed, and kind of meant to communicate that the path I took wasn't quite the same.

On D4 - I'd be a bit afraid to run that kind of online-only game from a hostile vendor via unorthodox runtimes.

[lilac trail]

I have D4 running on an older version of Sonoma on a separate partition, so it is likely an update from one company or the other has somehow fried things. I like your description of the vendor. You have to wonder but then again GGG aren't what they used to be either. It seems to happen to a lot of companies once they get past a certain threshold. D4 was and still is a disappointment. So much promise, so little delivered. I really hope GGG don't fall down that hole.

[atomic herald]

todays small patch fixed this problem for me! 💞

[lapis parcel]

Is anyone playing on GeforceNow? If so, how do you price check items? I used to use AwakenedPoETrade when I had a PC.

[opal helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K87GRUXJLl0&t=10s ı use this but manually copy paste 😄

[mossy forge]

hey anyone here know if path of exiles can run through game porting toolkit ? my m1 runs poe like a potato on the native version

[fossil dock]

Yes it runs well, search here for details

[mossy forge]

i get some error when i try boot it through whisky

[fossil dock]

Did you change renderer to DX12 ?

[mossy forge]

how would one do that

i just deleted it and reinstalling it today

[fossil dock]

@mossy forge

[mossy forge]

do you have any reccomendations for graphic setttings ?

[fossil dock]

no, you need to choose in regard of you system. But enable m-sync is good

[mossy forge]

Is m sync good

*where is that located *

[fossil dock]

I think it must be somewhere in whisky

[lilac trail]

Honestly I would not use Whisky. There is nothing wrong with it, however it is no longer maintained by the author and it uses an outdated version of Crossover. You would be better off setting up via GPTK. There is a pinned message in this channel how to do that. Alternatively you could use Crossover if you can purchase it. I use GPTK. I couldn’t get Crossover to work on my system but others have.

[mossy forge]

Yeah I tried crossover and just didn’t enjoy it but thanks man definitely will get gtpk to work , atleast when I got whisky installed it was running thought gptk

[lilac trail]

You’ll need to do the DX12 setting in the config file with GPTK but everything else should be good. I use Crossover with D4 because you can no longer use GPTK with D4. Blizzard did something with battle.net and only Crossover has the smarts built in to make it work, so there is a time and place for both

[chilly anvil]

no longer maintained by the author
Looks pretty maintained to me: https://github.com/Whisky-App/Whisky

[lilac trail]

This - https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/s/FyetUrETvW

Author is in maintenance mode. Whisky is using an outdated version of Crossover. It means any fixes for games in later releases won’t be in Whisky. I try not to make things up, except for fishing secrets 😁

[proud igloo]

Outdated versions of things? PoE players should feel right at home 😉

[edgy jacinth]

This looks like it's instructions for PC - is it possible to run Awakened PoE trade on GFN on mac?

[shadow kindle]

Can someone assist me in finding the production_Config.ini file on macos?
I downloaded the game through steam and cant seem to find it, the game barely runs at 5-10 fps

[proud igloo]

My box seems to have $HOME/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile/Preferences/production_Config.ini

[shadow kindle]

do you use the steam version or og client?

[proud igloo]

Mostly standalone, fairly sure that it doesn't matter.

Don't have any monitor wired up atm so can't test run Steam.

[shadow kindle]

ig ill have to download the standalone version then, is the texture quality still changeable since the post i saw was like 6 years old

[lilac trail]

Just an FYI if anyone is looking for this file - the Library directly is hidden. You need to unhide it to find the file. For the standalone it is where zao has indicated. Don't know the steam path since don't use steam.

If anyone is using GPTK or Crossover or portingkit or Wineskin then the file will be in the virtual C drive in the directory it is usually stored in if it were a real Windows install

[chilly anvil]

and to follow up on this: easiest way to get there is Finder : Go > Go to Folder… > type or paste in ~/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile/Preferences

[dusky pawn]

Hey guys does anybody know if you can install Awakened Poe Trade for MAC OS with the new operating system Sonoma and run it thru steam? And if so, can somebody please teach me how? thanks

[edgy jacinth]

look at the pinned messages for instructions, although it doesn't really work well in my experience

[lone radish]

quick question, what are the benefits of installing poe on the mac through gptk? is the performance better or anything?

[lilac trail]

You use the Windows version with GPTK. This will allow you to go above the 60 FPS limit the Mac stand alone client has.

It may also mean less graphics issues. Performance wise I don’t see much of a difference.

You will also avoid the weird patch update issue that anyone using Sonoma or one version of MacOS earlier encounter (there is a pinned message on that in this thread).

[lone radish]

Oh interesting!

[atomic herald]

oh my, the game looks totally broken after the new cleaning cashe, i hope it will get solved

yea, a restart of the game seems to fix it :)

[lilac trail]

It still has graphics kinks since the update. I’m running it via GPTK. It isn’t a game killer but it’s annoying. The patch notes claim DX12 is now out of beta. How many years was that again 😳
Maybe someday they’ll bother updating the Mac client and remove the FPS cap ….

[lilac trail]

Game is definitely worse after patch. Harvest has weird display effects it never used to have. If someone trades with me and I have to get back to hideout first the loading screen takes far longer than it used to. The only consistency in this game is GGG’s inability to release a non-dramatic patch 🤣

[neon kiln]

irritating that they haven't added controller support to macos yet. Better be in 2.0

[proud igloo]

I'm curious, do you people think that they'll make a macOS client for PoE2 at all?
If not, it explains the continued lack of hoots given for the state of the platform.
If they are going to make one, it could explain the lack of hoots given by that they somehow intend to do a big client drop eventually.

(completely inferior to just making it better as they go, but the priorities seem elsewhere)

[atomic herald]

i have no idea

havent seen any promises about it at all

[lilac trail]

Honestly - No I don’t think there will be any update to the current Mac client, which as we all know is essentially hot garbage.

They’ll claim that the current client will work with POE 2, just like it does for POE because game impacting issues are just noise from some pesky minor user base who should get a real (Windows) based computer.

I don’t play console but from what I’ve read it’s a joke as well. The only reason people put up with it is because it’s free I think.

I don’t know about the rest of this discord but the reddit channel is dead these days. Not even rants about games design, patches or mind numbingly boring and repetitive game play. Did everyone go play something else and if so what cause I think I’m about to vacuum seal my account. POE just doesn’t cut it anymore for me.

I might go try LOTRO

[chilly anvil]

I have a sinking feeling that a lot of the work on the macOS client was predicated on "so we can reuse it for Mobile", and now that that's backburnered so is the native client

[proud igloo]

Oh right, iOS exists. That's a good thought.

[atomic herald]

yea i get some graphic issues when much is happening ingame, it gets rly slow fps i think, almost not playable sometimes, i am sad - and i have a good mac, the M1 max, if this gets worse...

[lilac trail]

I have the M1 MAX too. I'm only running POE via GPTK. I am not getting above 60FPS but I have a Studio monitor and it's refresh is 60Mhz so I don't think I can get above 60FPS even if I wanted to. The patch fiasco is annoying too. Technically that isn't GGG's fault but it is up to them to provide a fix, not have players put a kludgy fix in place because they can't be bothered to support the MAC client.

[fossil dock]

After patch I my M3 max try to fly on cooling system....

[atomic herald]

my screen is a 60 one as well

[lilac trail]

God I hope not. I will never play POE on a phone system. It would be a freaking nightmare on a 6" screen

[lilac trail]

I'm not sure I understand - it's heating too much ?

[atomic herald]

maybe mine is too warm as well then, i dont know how to check that

[proud igloo]

Mobile is a separate and distinct experience designed for the platform and its displays/controls, not regular PoE with a crowbar.
Also designed for more pop in/out gameplay when you've got some downtime in your life, rather than the usual PoE gameplay cycle and evolution.

[lilac trail]

I use TG Pro. It has a free version and a paid version.

[fossil dock]

yes, on GPTK it fly to 100 Celsius, before patch it work on 70-80 C

[atomic herald]

well it feels warmer than normal just by my hand

i am down to 7 fps when lots on screen 😂

[atomic herald]

i use still monterey(that is 12) - and that one seem only to work from OS 13

i found a small program called: Hot

[atomic herald]

between 70-80 celcius

[atomic herald]

u also have mac studio?

[fossil dock]

No, I play from MBP M3 Max 40 GPU

[atomic herald]

now i was down on 7 fps in a fight but the heat was only 75 C, so it is something strange wtih the graphics on this patch

fps i check with F1 key

when no fight it tells 58 fps

[atomic herald]

oh my, thats not a cheap one

my studio seem to go down on fps instead of up in heat... well well

if GGG dont fix this, i guess i have to find another game... 😭

and Last Epoch dont have a mac version :/

[lilac trail]

You rnning via the Mac client or GPTK setup ?

[fossil dock]

LE work well under GPTK

[lilac trail]

I'm running GPTK setup on an M1 Max with 64GB unified memory. Highest I get is around 90c

I'm getting 60fps in HO

[fossil dock]

what is your poe Graphic config?

[lilac trail]

Does this manage fans to kick in autoamtically at a certsain temperature or allow you to do it manually ? If not then I recommend getting TG Pro. I can kick the fans in if things get above 100c and it'll bring the temperature down fairly quickly. Than I turn fans off again

[atomic herald]

i use mac client, until this day the monterey OS has worked fine

[fossil dock]

in HO always no problem, but when you start mapping everything go bad....

[atomic herald]

and i dont want to install virtual pc

in hideout i have 58 fps yea, but if a hard fight i go down to 7 now after last patch, it wasnt like that earlier at all, i was maybe down on 30-40 or so

[lilac trail]

I'll let you know what it is in a T16 Rare in a few minutes

[lilac trail]

You don't have to install a virtual PC to run POE via GPTK. Read the pinned messages on how to setup POE via GPTK in this channel.

[atomic herald]

i wont update above the monterey, and that program needed a higher OS

is 75 c hot?

[lilac trail]

Oh yeah - that's true. I forgot about that

[atomic herald]

oh yea, sry that is an online service, i forgot

[lilac trail]

For CPU no. If it was above 100c all day then maybe. Modern CPU are designed much better than the old days

[atomic herald]

well, i am oldstyle, i might find another game instead

[lilac trail]

Try running it via portingkit (portingkit.com) or Wineskin. Both free

[atomic herald]

i mean, i would like to give my money to a game that actually cares about macs

[lilac trail]

I don't think it runs well on Crossover but I could be wrong. I think Gordon runs it via Crossover. I couldn't get it to run well on 23.7

[lilac trail]

Oh ... well good luck with that. That's essentially no-one. Maybe Larian with BG3 but I've heard even that has had a few issues, mainly with patches not being released same time as PC. If you find a decent POE equivalent that has decent support for Mac let me know

[fossil dock]

Yes, I use latest crossover

[atomic herald]

well, if i stop play games then that would probably be the best option, and yea, minecraft still works xD
I mean, i am soon 60 years old

[fossil dock]

Don't stop in playing poe 🙂

[lilac trail]

In T16 I'm getting 30-60FPS and temperature not above 85c. In a super juiced map I can see the FPS might go down some but not sure as I don't usually run juiced. I don't have the currency. My Atlsas tree is not built for pack density either. I was running corrupted T16 Rare with over 100% quant, plus 3 scarabs and a fragment and Ultimatum runs. Was pretty smooth. That isn't the same as a super juiced T16 or a Simulacrum run though.

[lilac trail]

Age doesn't matter. Having fun does. If POE isn't giving the same buzz then play something else for a bit. I'd recommend Grim Dawn, but you would need to either run it in a VM or try it via portingkit, Wineskin or Crossover. I haven't tried any of those options yet but I might if GGG keep breaking the game for non-Windows users.

[atomic herald]

Baldurs gate seem to work with mac 😜

[lilac trail]

It has a native Mac client yes. You have to pay for it though. It's a lot different in play style to POE. I didn't want to pay the $70-80 so I'll wait for it to go on sale

[fossil dock]

Yesterday I capture some gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7-t41UDpXo framerate not stable at all CPU/GPU temperature is really hi

[lilac trail]

Well your Framerate is consistently in the 50's from what I can see. Mine never gets that high except in HO. Temperature is up and down depending on what is happening on screen. Is that TG Pro you are using to show temperature and I assume fan speed ?

What app are you using to display the CPU and Memory usage ?

For those who would like to run a second MacOS but don't want the hassle of creating a second partition to do so use this app - https://mac.getutm.app/
It's free and open source. You can run MacOS Monterey and later for Silicon systems. You would be able to get the MacOS software from here - mrmacintosh.com

Apparently you can also run PowerPC and SPARC too. I don't know where to get PowerPC. It would be neat to run that so if anyone is aware where to grab this from please let me know. It will also run Windows but by their own admission it won't run Windows games very well since it has no GPU virtualization.

Oh - the site has a bunch of pre configure systems - https://mac.getutm.app/gallery/

[fossil dock]

I use iStat menus

[lilac trail]

Thanks. I did some research yesterday and found that. I'm testing that and Sensei as well (though that one is a bit more expensive)

[lilac trail]

@gordon - another question. Where dod you get the timer from on the RHS above the skills section. Very nice !

[fossil dock]

Support pack, from 3.21

[lilac trail]

Thanks. I’m guessing it’s no longer available then. I would have picked it up. The kill count by monster type would have been nice as well but not for $480 😳

[fossil dock]

Agree, but map time cost ne less

[quartz rose]

yo guys anyone here playing poe on mac m1?

apple silicon that is

my game keeps crashing

does it happen for any of u

[lilac trail]

Be more specific - r u using the native client, Crossover, GPTK or something else. What about the MacOS version and your system configuration.

[proud igloo]

Unrelated macOS tip btw, if you peeps use Java you should probably hold off on the 14.4 upgrade as Java processes have a tendency to get killed by the OS.

(also sounds like iCloud is being a bit naughty with global deletion if you remove something from a 14.4 machine)

[golden hamlet]

So what's in general the best approach? I mean - having let's say MacBook pro M3 Pro: is it better to run it natively or using parallels/crossover? What way is more popular in the community?

[lilac trail]

The native client has several issues - an FPS cap of 60, a buggy patch update process (unless you are still on Monterey) and some graphics glitches that make it seem like you are in a disco.

Players have had success with GPTK and Crossover. GPTK takes a lot more effort to setup but both are viable. I couldn’t get Crossover to run well on my M1 Max with 64GB memory so I use GPTK. Others use Crossover. Neither of these options have the FPS limit or the patch update issue so they are better IMHO.

GPTK is free. There is a small cost for Crossover.

There is a pinned message in this channel that outlines how to setup POE using GPTK.

You can also use Crossover to run the Windows version of PoB instead of the Mac port, which does not work too well.

Some players have also had luck getting Awakened POE to run as well.

[golden hamlet]

Awesome answer, thank you!

[fervent needle]

has anyone over come the 5fps thing in maps since the last patch?

im on native

[atomic herald]

i wait til later to see if they will fix

[lilac trail]

Unless there is a significant amount of noise raised by players on the GGG forum this will not be looked at or addressed. The number of cases opened for graphics and other issues on MacOS is like looking at the mythical Elephants graveyard. GGG don't give a rat's arse about it. You're better off using either GPTK (there is a how to pinned in this sub) or via Crossover (some have it running successfully though I couldn't get it to run for me)

[fervent needle]

gptk is not the same as porting kit?

[plucky swallow]

no

check whisky

it has builtin gptk

[lilac trail]

You can try Whisky, however I wouldn't. It is using an outdated version of Wine (Wine 7.7). This is for 2 reasons. First is that GPTK only uses Wine7.7. Apple are not keeping up with WINE releases (which is now up to v9.x). Second is the developer of Whisky does not want to compete with Codeweaver (maker of Crossover) so they are no longer developing Whisky. This means that anything that has been fixed in WINE8 or WINE9 (such as better reliability for 32-bit games) won't run in Whisky.

Whisky cannot run older games at all - it is only for DX11 or DX12 (neither does GPTK), so if you are looking for a "one tool fits all" then use either portingkit (this is NOT Apple toolkit. I suspect Apple deliberately named theirs to confuse people. portingkit has been around since the days of Apple Intel), Wineskin or Crossover (currently v24.x). These also run Windows apps (nothing will run apps that have weird library dependencies or anti-cheats, including VM software).

There is a discount coupon for Crossover on the portingkit website (portingkit.com) you can use to purchase Crossover. Some have reported that multiple coupons stack, so you can try that if you find other codes. Or wait till a Black Friday sale.

If you are only going to use an app for POE and nothing else than just set up GPTK as per the pinned message. It'll take around 30-45 minutes at most. It's a once and done.

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail Do you, or anyone else, use Windows-based PoB via some sort of Wine or 32-bit VM? We're getting really close to shipping the new 64-bit runtime and it'll probably brick your installations as Wine really doesn't do well when prefixes change bitness.

[lilac trail]

I use the Windows PoB via Crossover. I have also used it in a VM but I’ve always assumed it to be a 64 bit version. Is PoB 32 bit only atm ?

[proud igloo]

The normal release is 32-bit. The beta release has been 64-bit for a few months.
Soon the normal release everyone gets will be upgraded to 64-bit.

Wine prefixes are a bit weird in that they tend to be generated for a single bitness as I understand it.

[lilac trail]

Will the PoB I’m using try to auto update to the 64 bit or is it a manual install ?

[proud igloo]

Auto-update just like any other PoB patch.

[lilac trail]

OK. I guess I’ll find out how things go when the time comes

[proud igloo]

Third party repackages like the macOS one from the forum has updates disabled I believe, but normal Windows:y PoB updates.

The last time I tried the new version, I needed two things: 64-bit wine prefix and one of the d3dcompiler (49?) winetricks. Those are something that Crossover might handle better.

[lilac trail]

I haven’t used the MacOS port of PoB for a long time now so I don’t remember if it auto updates or not.

Crossover might handle things better. There are two other apps that can run Windows PoB as well. Both portingkit and Wineskin. I’ve used PoB in ortingkit but not in Wineskin. It should work in all of them. I can test in portingkit. Someone else will need to test Wineskin. Good to see PoB getting 64 bit version 👍

Tons of changes for the upcoming league for PoB to incorporate.

[fervent needle]

huge difference on gptk

tyty

[lilac trail]

An interesting find - https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/s/te4W9AjLR3

[proud igloo]

On the winetricks for d3dcompiler - Linux user confirms they needed it for their Wine: https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/issues/7402

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail New PoB out, brace for impact.

[lilac trail]

OK. I’ll check tomorrow but I’m sure others will feel it first

[queen compass]

heya! big thanks for your work 🙇
just wanted to let you know it was not enough for me to winetricks d3dcompiler_47, i also needed dxvk, but maybe that's just me!

that's wineskin on a mac, i forgot to mention (and a clean install of latest wine, basically following this again: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/j83gl4/howto_using_path_of_building_1417014_on_mac_os/ but not sure if that's necessary)

[fossil dock]

@proud igloo congratulations! I wait for official osx build :))

[urban kindle]

hey guys, Im using a M3 max macbook pro, does anyone have graphics recommendation to run the game smooth and while also not draining the battery too much?

[proud igloo]

It seems like people in the Crash on launch "ERROR: Could not find dll named 'SimpleGraphic.dll'" #7413 issue had a mix of needing the compiler and needing a particular version of DXVK, based on their environment.
The new PoB has fancier shader requirements via ANGLE that some environments just don't support well enough.
I kind of expected some amount of tinkering or recreation needed for people using Wine, but also had hopes that people who use such exotic environments could figure it out among themselves 😄

[lilac trail]

@zao - I updated PoB in Crossover from 2.39.3 to 2.40.1 without an issue. I have no settings under Advanced settings active. It's as vanilla as you can get.
I tested with both an existing PoB and created a new one. The new one has a few things missing but that isn't unusual with PoB. Sometimes it does not update the cluster jewel settings properly. Apart from that everything else apepars to be working. I am assuming I'm now running the 64 bit version or am I still on 32-bit ?

[proud igloo]

If it says 2.40.1, it should be running on the new runtime unless the update managed to skip half the contents. If you don't get the green console showing when starting PoB or the Quake-style console in Ctrl+~ says SimpleGraphic v2.0, it's the new runtime.

[lilac trail]

I’ll double check later and let you know but it looks good so far 👍

[lilac trail]

My PoB shows exactly the same info as your screenshot, so all good. Looks like Crossover was ok with the upgrade to 64 bit without a hiccup (at least for me) on MacOS Sonoma 14.2.1

[proud igloo]

Someone suggested that we could possibly try to use Vulkan as an ANGLE backend if we find ourselves on Wine.
How well does Vulkan work in general?

[lilac trail]

I'm not sure I can answer that one. For a Mac though wouldn't it be MoltenVK that would have to be used ?

[proud igloo]

Like, I assume that Wine somehow supports Vulkan on macOS. MoltenVK or whatnot would be an implementation detail then that I don't need to care about.
I'm just not certain how universal such support would be on macOS and Linux.

Or in other words, are there environments where D3D works but Vulkan doesn't?

[lilac trail]

I get what you are saying. There could be environments where the transition won’t go smoothly. My upgrade worked out nicely. OMMV I guess.

[rough timber]

my universitys wifi sadly blocks the poe server communication - s1 got an idea how to mask the com?

[proud igloo]

The game traffic itself is encrypted and not touchable. Use a VPN if you're on a hostile network.

[rich ingot]

so do you guys run the client through ggg or steam? tried whisky with gptk and it does not even start up (ARM ofc)

[golden hamlet]

Crossover or GPTK (check pinned messages for tutorial)

[rich ingot]

well i aint gonna pay just for poe/crossover and gptk via whisky did not work, will check pins.

[rough timber]

Yeah well the ISP of the University Network blocks the incoming traffic of PoE and the one of the VPN I tested so far 😢

[proud igloo]

Some peeps here play on cloud gaming with GeForce Now. Not optimal but could be a worst case solution.

[proud igloo]

The Arch maintainer for their unofficial PoB package seems to have stepped down, maybe as the patches didn't apply cleanly anymore.

Not sure how well the macOS attempts deal with our changes.

[frigid ginkgo]

anyone know where i can download the mac PoB?

link on POE website isn't working atm

[fossil dock]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009944

Standalone still crush on update...

[lilac trail]

TBH I would not use the Mac based version. Run the Window version via portingkit, Wineskin or Crossover (I wouldn't use Whisky. Too many versions on WINE behind)

[proud igloo]

The more we change PoB, the higher the chance of the unofficial packages to slip behind; particularly if they patch the source.

[lilac trail]

Whisky has been intentionally kept where it is by the developer. They stated they didn't want to compete with Crossover. PoB might work in it but I haven't tried. The source code for Whisky is available, so someone could fork it and make an up to date version with WINE 9.x but no-one has done so afaik.

[frigid ginkgo]

using my macbook as a second monitor for node ref

playing on PC

[lilac trail]

It certainly works in portingkit and Crossover 👍 Someone else will have to test the other apps.
I'm currently 39864 in line for POE. Some of the updates look promising. Finally we get multiple Atlas passive trees and T17 maps have potential. Since I don't play league the leagure mechaics don't interest me but they don't sound too bad. Sound a bit like a reskinned Bestiary league though 🤔

[lilac trail]

That's an interesting setup !

[frigid ginkgo]

i only have one monitor for PC

it's an external that i share for PC and work laptop

i use PoB on PC as well i just don't like alt+tabbing 500x during a sesh

[proud igloo]

We had a person that couldn't run PoB anymore on their laptop as they had a 32-bit Windows.
Couldn't figure out why they would need a different machine than they played at.
Turns out they were playing on console and pobbing on the laptop 😄

You can also visit pobbin links in a browser, to get an overview of the trees and notes.

[frigid ginkgo]

is there any way to avoid getting booted for being afk? have to get a haircut at 530

[proud igloo]

Game doesn't have any built-in AFK functionality, one can normally idle forever in zones and hideouts.

Unless the server crash of course or network acts up.

[frigid ginkgo]

really?

do you guys load the game before update or do you wait until 3pm

[proud igloo]

Load after update, get in queue.

Queue is typically up around an hour after patch.

Doesn't matter too much unless the game is unstable, and then you might as well not be in it 😄

Drains quickly if things are working.

[frigid ginkgo]

ty zao.

[autumn pewter]

I wish geforce now sorted their server patching out.... every patch you cant play for hours

[lilac trail]

What’s GFN got to do with patching. The user patches the games they own. Geforce doesn’t host POE themselves, it’s through user libraries such as Steam and GOG afaik.

[autumn pewter]

wrt the GGG standalone client on GFN - whenever a patch is released their(GFN) servers often fail to update properly. You just get met with an error when logging in(to GFN)

I just switched to (GFN)steam version, it seems to not have this patching problem

[lilac trail]

How does one get the new T17 maps ? I'm playing in Standard (let's not go down the rabbit hole of Std vs League. It's just the way I roll 😀 )

[proud igloo]

chance to drop in T16 content, might have nodes or scarabs to boost chance

Or if you abused the early bug this league, 3-to-1 T16s 😄

[lilac trail]

Damn - I always miss out on bug exploits. That’s quite the gaff from GGG. At least now the “chance to drop maps +1 tier …” at T16 will mean something now.

[proud igloo]

As far as I know, it was fixed before any league peeps reached maps a d definitely before reds.

Good old STD gang.

[snow grail]

Hello, since start of the new league I have very strong problems with FPS (it falling up to 1), when I’m coming in the areas with a lot of people (main areas of the act etc.), but when I m going to locations with mobs, there is no problems and everything is okay (I hadn’t such a problem at the last league). Could u tell me what is a point of this problem and how can I fix it?
( I have new M2 Pro with a lot of CPU, GPU and 1tb)

[iron plinth]

I have got the m1 chip 2020 😭😭

Any tips ??

[atomic herald]

look pinned msgs?

[compact fox]

Hello everyone
I have a trouble with my dualsense on mac, it's connected but I can't switch to ccontroller input, just don't have it in settings

does someone know what to do?

[proud igloo]

It's quite possible that the macOS client just doesn't have controller support at all.

It's slightly differently featured in other ways, so they may not have implemented it at all there; assuming the OS even supports controllers.

[lilac trail]

Recommend posting on the official GGG forum too. Might be someone there who can comment on whether this setup will work or not.

[lilac trail]

Is there a better way than right clicking each of the stupid deprecated scarabs. Clicking them 1 at a time is ridiculous if it's the only way to reveal and put scarabs back where they were. I have a few hundred. I can't imagine anyone doing this for several thousand.

[proud igloo]

Standard peeps are built different.

[lilac trail]

🤣

[stable pond]

Is anyone else having horrible performance issues with the new league (league issues themselves aside)? I'm talking <5 fps in blighted maps, <10 fps in white/yellow maps with minimal juice. I tried a full clean reinstall, with no difference. Everything was fine last league (and since the MacOS client went live); I used similar settings as last league, and then tried decreasing everything, to no avail. 2021 Macbook Pro M1 Max w/ 64 GB RAM.

[fossil dock]

Did you clean shader caches? I can suggest you attempt to use GPTK/Crossover to play PoE with less pain

[atomic herald]

they made some kind of change on direct x, and native mac game have been unplayable after that

[proud igloo]

D3D12 shouldn't matter for the Mac client as it's using Vulkan under the surface unless they've drastically changed things which I doubt they would.
There could be overall renderer changes or material changes that throw the macOS world off.

[stable pond]

Ok, I'll give GPTK a shot. Thanks.

[lilac trail]

See the pinned messages on how to set it up

[lilac trail]

where is the shader cache stored for the stand alone Windows client version ? It does not seen to exist in my VM (maybe because VM does not have a GPU 🤷‍♂️ ). Haven't looked for it in GPTK install yet.

[proud igloo]

%APPDATA%/Path of Exile, I believe.

Or C:\Users\BobbyTables\AppData\Roaming\Path of Exile if you want it spelled out for the usual user profile location.

[lilac trail]

Perfect. Thxs. I'm using a VM for scientific testing, not playing purposes since a VM sucks for this sort of thing. Each time GGG release a new league it seems "performance" on a VM gets worse and worse. I remember being able to actually play POE on a VM on a 2016 27" iMAC with 32GB RAM just fine. Not anymore. Some of that is undoubtedly due to graphics engine updates but it's still surprising that performance is so bad in a VM now.

[proud igloo]

How bad is the macOS "build" of PoB these days and is the author responsive? Might be breaking it fairly soon.

[stable pond]

Hmm, I gave it a try on Crossover first because I had already started a 14 day free trial the other day. Got it installed with the .exe and launched to download the patch just fine. When I try to launch, however, I get nothing. Anyone else had the same experience? Otherwise, I'll try setting things up with GPTK after all.

[stable pond]

I've had no issues at all with PoB. Awakened POE Trade has some issues with items released in the current league and only works in windowed mode, but PoB has been totally fine, and updates with the new content releases.

[lilac trail]

What settings do you have applied to the bottle for Crossover ? @fossil dock is successfully running POE using Crossover but I couldn't make it work for went the GPTK route.

BTW - there are coupons out there for discounts on Crossover "bridgeover23" will get you a 10% discount. If anyone else knows of other valid discount coupons (and where they are posted) that give the same or larger discounts please post them here. Crossover is useful for lots of games and some Windows apps so it's worth buying if planning to run more than just POE. If just POE I'd go the GPTK rute instead

[fossil dock]

@lilac trail this two

[lilac trail]

Yeah those are what I was thing of. I might give Crossover another shoot too. It should work just fine for me but didn’t when I first tried it. I might have missed these settings

[lilac trail]

Crossover is working just as well as GPTK now with the settings above ! Awesome. Thxs Gordon

[stable pond]

Apparently the universe is trying to convince me to quit PoE. I installed with a fresh bottle, used the settings Gordon posted above, and when I try to run, it pops up with a window checking resources for the briefest of moments, and then exits. I then tried installing through steam (also in crossover); exact same thing. Oh well, thanks for the help folks, I do appreciate it.

[fossil dock]

If you fresh install PoE please check that is render setted DX12, you can search for correct line here in topic

Last time I install POE it set Vulcan as default - but Vulcan not work under GPTK/crossover

[lilac trail]

You can set it up using GPTK as per the pinned message guide. I’m confident it will run if you follow the steps outlined. Don’t pack it in just yet !

[stable pond]

Every time I try to get out, they keep pulling me back in! Ok, I'll keep at it. Thanks guys.

[stable pond]

Changing the renderer to DX12 did the trick! I couldn't find a reference to it here; for anyone else looking, do a finder search for production_config.ini

[lilac trail]

Excellent. That info is in part 2 of the pinned message on how to setup POE using GPTK too.

[elfin jackal]

Does awakened poe trade work on apple silicon for anybody?

[fossil dock]

Yes, but you need some magic to get it run. First time try open it via right click menu - open on application, confirm run and get crush. After try run it via terminal... Via enter /Application/...ape

[elfin jackal]

Interesting, will try, thank you!

[rough timber]

i cant even make PoE Run on my mac at all ;-;

but then again i would only do that to not miss out on Traderequests while being at University lol

[fossil dock]

just copy paste /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app/Contents/MacOS/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade to terminal

[rough timber]

now we only need Overwolf to work and we can see who requested a trade when focused on other stuff

[fossil dock]

what it can do better than APT ?

[rough timber]

not for the looking up the worth of items
but it has an integration that will list you all ingoing trades, gives you the possibility to invite the people to party/HO that requested the trade with one click or even say thanks for the trade to them and disband the party.

[fossil dock]

Ah... In APT I see big discussion about this feature... Long story short - author of APT say: looking for Poe log work not for all locales as result he don't want to add that feature to APT

[urban kindle]

hey I use dual monitors and for some reason since last patch I cant drag the game window to my 2nd screen.. anyone has this issue?

[snow grail]

is it possible to get awakend pro trade on macos?

[rough timber]

it might be possible to run it with Whisky App
But i cant guarantee you that atm since i need to try it for myself first (PoE doest work on my mac so far)

[fossil dock]

Read from here

[urban kindle]

I actually run awakaned poe trade from this thred:
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3333212
it works fine
and game running from steam client and works fine as well

[lilac trail]

This isn’t updated for 3.24 as far as I can tell. The original thread has had a comment since February and the other thread referred to in the original post seems to run for some but not others and runs the 3.23 version. Is that correct or did you do your own fork and update it for 3.24 ?

If playing Std, as I do, APT at 3.23 isn’t an issue but in league it might be 🤷‍♂️

[faint gust]

anyone experiencing crashesh on macos my game is constantly crashing everywhere i tired everything

[lilac trail]

R U using the native client, via Steam, Crossover or GPTK based setup ?

It would appear that GGG, Apple or both have fixed the issue that was occurring when you tried to update the MacOS client and it would puke. I just updated my MacOS client (which I’ve not done for a year) and no longer get the error message 👍

[fossil dock]

For me it not work, like before

[atomic herald]

ventura or sonoma OS ?

[fossil dock]

Sonoma

[lilac trail]

Oh - guess I just got lucky. Will see if it happens with the next patch or not. What version of Sonoma are you on ?

[fossil dock]

14.4.1 latest

[atomic herald]

i still wont upgrade to sonoma then, even if my monterey os complain and try to convince me 😁

[urban kindle]

No I actually did not do a new fork so I'm probably not really up to date, I might peek at the code and see how much effort it requires

[urban kindle]

Playing league, There are some items that get errors, but overall it works pretty well

[lilac trail]

Yes. Stay on Monterey. If you want to test out Sonoma you could install UTM and run Sonoma within a VM. It works fairly well, though performance can be a but laggy.

[proud igloo]

Embrace the future!

[lilac trail]

The future is here already. Some people just don’t know it 🤣

I have a PowerPC VM using UTM, though I can’t get the mouse to work on it. USB doesn’t seem to work properly on UTM, at least for me 🤷🏼‍♂️

[atomic herald]

well, i get some lags already in act 3, the way i got after that first patch (when they wrote it was about directX, they must have changed something on mac also)

[lilac trail]

I’m using 14.2.1 - wonder if the latest update foobarred something again. I’m sure GGG will be releasing another patch soon so I’ll try it again and see what happens

[faint gust]

@lilac trail i am using the native one from the website

[lilac trail]

I tried the native one this morning and it just kept crashing on startup. This seems to be a similar issue to the null issue. I suspect it is the same issue without the “normal” error message.

The fix is the same - delete the Path of Exile executable and kick off the startup again. It will run without an error. At least it did for me

[iron plinth]

Instead of using a mac just play on pc or somma ?

[proud igloo]

Are you looking for genuine advice?

[urban kindle]

whats the best way to run poe awakend trade with m3 mac?
I got enough of the older version 😅

[iron plinth]

Wdym

[urban kindle]

is there a way to run poe on mac, while being able to run latest version of awakened poe trade?

[iron plinth]

Impossible

[urban kindle]

[lilac trail]

It’s not impossible. You can run the Mac version of APT. The link to that is in this thread. The most recent was a few days ago.

[unborn loom]

let people play on the system they choose, theres nothing inherently wrong with playing on mac

[iron plinth]

Ik true but u get better performance on a pc then a mac

Iv gt an mac with an m3 chip and i have a pc

And my pc lets me play 120fps 1440p

So you would rather play on pc then mac but its fine on mac

No problem

But its better to play on pc or somma else

[unborn loom]

thats fine, but people choose to play on mac for multitude of reasons, please leave it at that

[urban kindle]

not everyone owns a PC 😅
i got my mac from work and currently it's my only computer
and I don't want to spend for a new PC only for poe

[urban kindle]

thanks' ill look for it and see

[urban kindle]

I looked at the messages of the last few weeks, diidn't find it so Im not sure I know what you mean
can you please refer me to that msg? 🙏

[iron plinth]

Fairenough

I wasnt trying to get into an argument just wanted to say macs are good for work but in that situation then fairenough

[lilac trail]

The FPS on the MacOS standalone client is capped by GGG at 60FPS. You will never get above that. Why GGG did that I’ve no idea, but that is why you don’t see higher frame rates.

If you use either Crossover or GPTK you can go above that since it’s using the Windows client to run.

I don’t use the Steam client - either Mac or Windows version but I assume the Steam version of Mac client has the same weird FPS limit

[lilac trail]

It is in a pinned message. The pinned message refers to POB for MacOS but in that forum post there is a link for APT at the top.

I’m not sure it is updated for 3.24 but it is at least updated to 3.23

I could not get it to work on my system but others have done so with a bit of adjustment.

[atomic herald]

this thread is about using mac-os, not about how good or bad that is 🤓

[atomic herald]

depend on what screen we use, my screen is capped on 60 hz anyway xD

[lilac trail]

For the MacOS the refresh rate of your monitor doesn’t matter. It’s capped regardless.
It’s lazy programming basically because it takes a fair amount of effort to code otherwise (I think I posted a link on it in here somewhere 🤔)

[proud igloo]

One could run on a 30Hz monitor like my heathen of a cow-orker.

[atomic herald]

i mean for me it dont matter at all that it is capped at 60 right? its only the ones that have higher hz screens that is annoyed with it...

[lilac trail]

Ah yes that’s true

[urban kindle]

I tried some forks before, but I just realized the official version of snos's awakened poe works for me on my mac 🙂

[balmy laurel]

how easy is it to get poe trade going on MacOS?

I'm a complete MacOS noob and I cant get it to go

I'm stuck in a place where it will not load where it wants accessability access but no matter how often i give it access or how i iterate the order of doing things, it asks again every time and will not go past that screen.

[fossil dock]

I have not 100% POE related question - what you use to fix mouse scroll problems on mac?

[iron plinth]

Make sure ur mouse setting are on properly

[iron plinth]

What problems are you facing

[fossil dock]

Scrolling jump up and down instead of correct scroling

[fervent needle]

is it still possible for us to run pob after the display updates?

I can't seem to get it running on portingkit

[lilac trail]

What do you mean by display updates ?

[fervent needle]

wasn't there some changes to how pob handles rendering?

since then, I can't seem to load it anymore

[proud igloo]

The new and cool runtime written by some hip contributor 😉
64-bit, ANGLE, etc.

[sullen schooner]

Mos

For those with Awakened PoE Trade issue, this is my fix - https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade/issues/1153#issuecomment-1951861701

[lilac trail]

I just tried POB v 2.34.1 on portingkit and it was ok. As soon as I updated it, or tried to update it, it will no longer run. I'm going to delete the bottle and try a completely new install. I think @Zao mentioned some WINE based apps might not like the new update. Crossover handled it just fine, but it looks like portingkit isn't happy with a direct update like I attempted

[proud igloo]

That sounds like what I historically encountered while testing this out.
In some environments indeed, you may have to make a clean installation of PoB in a fresh environment as the prefixes/bottles often can't handle a change in program bitness.

The d3dcompiler_47 problem should be history now by the way, as we now ship a copy of it with PoB.

[lilac trail]

The display is busted in portingkit. This is what I got after a fresh install in a new bottle. I'm using WineCX64Bit23.7.1-2 and Windows 11

If I increase the magnification then I get all the tree nodes but none of the connection paths are displayed (or not many of them)

So maybe someone else can get it going properly by playing with the settings in portingkit more

But it is definitely not happy - even with a new, clean bottle

If you expand the screen waaaay out you get all the links ...

[proud igloo]

I wonder if it differs any if you go into F10, Layers, and fiddle with the controls at the top of the window.

Might be some Fun either with the multitexturing shader or something about batch size.

I unfortunately do not log anywhere how many textures the platform promises it can do.

[lilac trail]

I’ll give that a try later

[proud igloo]

There's pretty much a single shader in SGv2 PoB. It does everything from multiple textures to clipping and viewport transformations; to maximize the amount of geometry it can draw at once.

I'm going to have to boot this Mac, won't I?

[lilac trail]

Yeap - I looked at the F10 stuff but it's beyond my understanding to fiddle with

[proud igloo]

Mostly curious if the behaviour changes if you pull the slider or uncheck the boxes.

The tables and dropdowns are mostly about what draw calls come from PoB, which are the same in any environment.

[lilac trail]

This is what I get with F10. I unchecked the boxes. No effect as far as I can tell

[woven willow]

is there someone i can ask about awakened poe trade that knows a lot -- its specifically a downloading problem

nvm fixed it :)

[proud igloo]

That's interesting, the connectors are right there in the single batch for Layer 0:20. I wonder if it's wonky mipmapping as it changes as you zoom.

[lilac trail]

Unless there is something else you can think of for me to fiddle I would say POB is no longer going to work with portingkit.

I could raise a ticket for PaultheTall but I don’t think it’s something portingkit can “fix”

[proud igloo]

I've got a bunch of previous attempts installed in PortingKit, but can't find where I add a new one anymore.

[proud igloo]

Ah, I was still on PK5, changes have happened since.

I could reproduce it here, It's not just the tree either, some of the UI linework is missing as well.

20 meg screenshot, thanks Phone 😄

[proud igloo]

It's not multitexturing at least, clamped it to 1x and it was still bad; just slower.

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail There's something hosed with D3D11 or how it compiles shaders on that runtime.
If I change the ANGLE backend to OpenGL in code it looks right again.

Can't go for Vulkan as my ANGLE doesn't seem built with it.

[lilac trail]

I’m guessing you were able to find the custom port option in portingkit to build a new bottle.

[proud igloo]

In PK6 I could Add Application and it let me pick the setup EXEs.
PK5 grayed everything out.

I'm not gonna care too much if there's solutions to run Windows PoB on macOS that aren't this PortingKit runtime.

It'd be nice if they're documented and recommended here, haven't looked in pins lately 🙂

[lilac trail]

Nothing pinned.

In PK6 if you type a game name - say POB and it does not exist, PK6 will show you the custom port wrapper. You then install using that.

Windows POB will run in Crossover just fine, so the portingkit engine is missing something that Crossover has or does behind the scenes. I think I’ll raise a ticket with the developer and see if they come up with a fix. Have never tried POB with GPTK. May or may not run. A lot more work then PK or Crossover.

It may or may not run under Whisky (which uses WINE 7.7).

[proud igloo]

Hah, I was foolish enough to try to apply the 14.1 upgrade I had pending, stuck on the black screen with apple logo and slightly filled progress bar all night. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102535

[lilac trail]

Wow - that article is about as useful as a fart in a wetsuit. Their best solution is to neuter the device than just keep turn it off and on 😳

[proud igloo]

I turned it off and on again, it worked 😄

Not sure if I actually got to keep the upgrade, but it booted at least.

14.4.1, yep, got it.

[lilac trail]

@zao - do you know if Oracle have release a fix for the java bug so it’s safe to update to 14.4.1 now ? I guess I could go look on the site but I’m feeling even more lazy than usual today 😜

[proud igloo]

Your mentions do not seem to mention by the way.

Haven't looked at all at it, could probably check with the local CS sysapes some day.

[lilac trail]

It looks like Apple provided a fix in Sonoma 14.4.1 or 14.4.2

[iron plinth]

How much fps do people on mac get

Also is it ok if the bottom back plate gets hot

Because i dont think there enough airflow to keep it cool

[plucky swallow]

Feels smooth on general maps, stable 60 with drops to 30, I guess that's the usual experience for everyone?

[urban kindle]

Do you run it native om Mac? Steam client?
Can you share your graphics settings?

[plucky swallow]

steam, nothing changed, m2 macmini 8gb

1280x1024 resolution

[iron plinth]

What about m1 air 2020

Model does anyone know

Because I am 50/50 whether I should play it or not because I am scared if it heat too much because there is legit no airflow

[plucky swallow]

expect 30-50% fps decrease after some time, you can buy external fan/cooling pad to fight overheat, also you set settings for stable 70-90fps and then turn vsync on for 60 so you won't use cpu/gpu at full load and it won't heat that much

[lilac trail]

There is no fan in a Macbook Air so yes there is no airflow. These systems are designed to manage without a fan. It will run hot so it isn’t recommended to sit it on your lap. Other than that it should be fine. Use TG Pro or a similar app to see what the actual temperature is.

[wicked gazelle]

Is there any alternative for Awakened POE trade?

For some reason, tried so many times, it just woudn't work

[lilac trail]

Nothing really. There is a browser based one but that means you have to copy and paste and exit the game to figure out pricing.

[urban kindle]

Thanks, I got the new m3 from work but looks like you get better graphics 🙃
I'll try these settings
Also where do you toggle on that performance preview you have at the top
new to game here 🙂

[lilac trail]

Fn+F1 key on Mac brings that performance display up

[plucky swallow]

i guess it’s 10 gpu cores, but m3 should have more powerful, idk if there were any tests about difference and what is more important gpu core number or performance per gpu core; in 8c vs 32c I saw more of stability with x2-3 gains

M1 Max was like a stable 60 in gaming(high settings, 1080/1440)

[lilac trail]

Looking for a way to monitor my session while I’m away from desk so if someone pings me I know. Technically I could use a script to check the Client.txt file but I only know how to do that in AHK - which only runs on Windows.

If anyone knows how to get AHK scripts running in Crossover ping me (I have AHK installed but I can’t get scripts to run in it) or you have a Unix script or Apple script you can share let me know.

It would be nice if GGG had an app like bnet but that would be beyond them (and probably a hassle to manage tbf)

[faint gust]

@plucky swallow what macos are you running my client crushes all the time nothing works

[urban kindle]

im with sonomoa 14.3

[halcyon galleon]

Hey, I'm trying to edit graphics externally since I get wheel of death every time I try in the client, how would I go about that? I can't find anything on reddit or the forums

[plucky swallow]

pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/67150

so i guess look for production_Config.ini

[plucky swallow]

or POE folder in documents and config file there

[proud igloo]

On macOS the file seems to live in:
./Library/Application Support/Path of Exile/Preferences/production_Config.ini

I was going to shake a fist at you for wanting to modify graphics, but the settings are fine to touch 😄

[lilac trail]

Anyone score one of those 6 socket 17 link busted maces or a six socket Squire ?

[proud igloo]

Nope, not into game abuse and I hope they find all the ones people made.

[lilac trail]

I saw a post last night where people were applying skins in the hope of avoiding detection - pretty sure that won't work. I think a hotfix is coming. I didn't see an update this morning but assume it's coming. It's a gnarly bug - you wouldn't think to test that one

[proud igloo]

Hotfix 5 this morning addressed the creation of them, and they have an intent to "fix" the items.

No news on if they intend to fix players 😉

[lilac trail]

Weird - I didn’t see a patch update for the game. Guess it was server side only.

[proud igloo]

Correct.

[meager valley]

is my gpu not up to task for poe ?

i wasnt even going into a high tier juiced up man, think t13 boss fight

[plucky swallow]

looks like windows' window

is it crossover/wine? why not using native client or it's a native notification?

[lilac trail]

How do you calculate "Bow attacks fire an additional arrow" and "Bow attacks fire 2 Additional arrows" DPS properly in POB. I'm trying to see if there is a significant difference between them. There certainly is currency wise. There should be a POB discord channel but this is the only place I know to potentially ask

I've swapped the bows in the items section but I'm not sure that is all I need to do. Not sure how PoB does the calculation to include the additional arrows (everything else is the same, such as flask effects"

[edgy jacinth]

i've never figured that out properly. all i know is that apparently for bow builds it's generally a big upgrade. lightning arrow, tornado shot, etc

but the PoE builds subreddit might be a good place to ask a q https://www.reddit.com/r/PathOfExileBuilds/

[proud igloo]

There's also build help channels on this Discord, I hear.

A way to find out if PoB does something is to Try It And See, and file bugs if you think it's off.

[urban kindle]

is it possible to open 2 instances of pob on mac?
to compare builds and stuff?

[proud igloo]

Unless the packager has done something silly, that sounds reasonable.

[urban kindle]

well it worked with open -n -a "PathOfBuilding"

[lilac trail]

That’s a chicken and egg thing though. If I don’t how to configure it properly I won’t know it’s off. If I don’t know it’s off then I wouldn’t know there is a bug 🤔

[lilac trail]

You can now shift+click to move a stack of currency into the trade window all at once. Is there an option to transfer from inventory to stash tab the same way ? It seems rather pointless if I still need to transfer 800 chaos orbs in stacks on 20 into a currency tab instead of all at once. Maybe I just missed that in the release notes ...

[proud igloo]

AFAIK it's only for trade.

[lilac trail]

😡

[lilac trail]

Anyone know how I can open a second instance of PoB via Crossover ? Seems by default you can only open 1 instance but of course in Windows you can open multiple.

I need to compare PoB’s. I don’t know of another way to do so unless there is a compare feature built in to PoB (hint hint)

[urban kindle]

open -n -a "PathOfBuilding"

in terminal

[proud igloo]

Might be weirder when running under a Wine-like.

[lilac trail]

Thanks for the suggestion but I think this would only work for the native port of PoB to Mac afaik. My executable is the Windows version inside a Crossover bottle. I can give it a whirl and see if it works

Hmmm - I can't find the executable in the bottle at all. Wonder where it is actually stored in Crossover ....

[edgy jacinth]

I do it - I just create a new installation of PoB in a new bottle and open them separately that way. a bit clunky but works fine

Separately, does anyone know a way to keep yourself from going afk? I sit on PoE for trades and it'd be great if there was a way to automate a click every minute or two

[proud igloo]

That's unfortunately against ToU, actions need to be 1:1 caused by a user input to do that particular thing.
No timers, cycling, latching, etc.

[edgy jacinth]

Ahh got it, thanks

[lilac trail]

Technically possible. Easier on Windows since you can use AHK (which I suspect people used to do with flask mgmt before GGG came to their senses).

[lilac trail]

I figured I could do that. Nice to know it would work. What I’m really after is a side by side compare of passive trees. I have a build template from someone. I cannot for the life of me find where they have allocated several nodes in comparison to mine.

[edgy jacinth]

I use a free app called Rectangle for window placement for that: https://rectangleapp.com/

so i just make one of the instances of PoB the upper half and the other the lower half, or you could do left and right side of your screen

again, clunky, but works, esp if you have a widescreen

[proud igloo]

Note that PoB has a built-in tree compare between two trees in one build.
I create a new tree in the template, import the char over that, and compare.

[edgy jacinth]

Ahh ya theres a little checkbox that says compare on the bottom left corner

good call

[lilac trail]

Awesome. I'm sure it's simple but I like to make things complicated 🙂

[lilac trail]

OK. I have a PoB open. Compare box is checked. How do I then compare it to another build ? I'm not following your example.

[lilac trail]

I open a PoB. Then select compare. Then Manage Trees. Select Import Tree. Enter a name. For the passive tree link I tried entering a pobb address but this said it was invalid. So for passive tree link what do I put in to get the tree I want in there (which will compare to the original) ?

Oh ... I got it ! Nice ...

To save others that might have the same challenges as I did - the import link is an export of the tree you want to compare against the default build tree. Go to Manage tree (in the drop down to the left of the compare box). Select the tree that shows up there (or whichever tree in there you want to compare). Select export and then done. Then fire up the build you want to compare it to. Select Manage tree again, then Import tree. Call the new tree whateve you want. Then paste in the exported tree string and select done. Now you can compare 2 trees 🙂

[proud igloo]

Yeah, the import/export there is distinct from the pobbin/pastebin ones.
They're more like website passive tree URLs, which you could probably put in there.

[lilac trail]

Is there a way in PoB to compare the stats list on the LHS (the one that shows Offensive/Defensive stats ? When I want to look at the difference an item might make to the build it's cumbersome having to either erite the values down or take a screnshot. Can I compare two sets the same way as the tree and see the highlighted differences or am I stuck with running two instances of PoB and going cross eyed ?

This guy made a post but doesn't show how he gets those comparisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXSHrP_FboM unless I missed something somewhere. It is a 45 minute video after all 🙂

[edgy jacinth]

Not that I'm aware of - just that if you create a custom item on the "Items" page it'll compare that against the item you currently have, and how that will affect everything

it is helpful that you can copy and item from trade and click create custom and paste it in and have the compare done very easily that way on a by-item basis, if you didn't know about that

[lilac trail]

I do use the method you mentioned. If you hover over the "new" item it will show you the differences. I guess that is why they don't really have a side by side thing. I'll just keep doing that then 👍

[proud igloo]

This seems screenshot-driven.
The sidebar is called the sidebar, by the way, and I think it has "breakdowns", or maybe that's a Calcs term.

I've got no idea if we've ever considered build comparisons past "it's really designed for one global build at a time" - the same kind of reason why Party functionality is so sparse.

It's one of those wishlist things that are kind of in the plans for any future reimplementations on new tech.

[lilac trail]

Yes, it's a bit misleading. TBH the differences are displayed if you add the new item(s) into the build and hover over them, so I can see another type of comparison would either be superfluous or way low on a priority list. For now I'll just stick with the either reading the item tooltip or making before and after screenshots. It's all good.
Now if I could only get the free VMware download to actually work at broadcom ....

[lilac trail]

Anyone know if the Atlas tree passive config name is in a file somewhere on the client side ? I have run maps a bunch of times forgetting which Atlas tree is set. If the name of the current tree was stored somewhere I could run a command to show me what that is. It would be nice if there were someway to tell when a map device slot is empty or what fragments are in it. I sometimes screw those up as well.

[proud igloo]

The selected tree is likely server-side state.

[lilac trail]

I suspected as much. There are entries in the production config file but it isn't clear what they mean, other than Atlas Tree is set to something 🤔 The codes are numeric, which I don't know if anyone knows what they stand for.

[proud igloo]

That's likely the button scancode to open the atlas tree, Ctrl+G?

[lilac trail]

The current tree is also part of the character profile in the account. You can see it. It does not however show a name indicating which of the 3 it is. Can you drag this data down as part of an API - that might work ....maybe something to add to PoB at some stage 🤔

[proud igloo]

71 being G, 2 being a Ctrl modifier:

[ACTION_KEYS]
open_atlas_passives_screen=71 2

There was talk about adding multiple trees to an API endpoint, not sure where that went.

I believe the old endpoint is supposed to take the "first" tree, but I'd have to look the chats up to tell.

[lilac trail]

The first tree would be the passive tree - or does "first" mean the first Atlas tree ? Since you can only have one Atlas passive tree active that would be nice if you could pull that down. You could tell at a glance which one it is.

[lilac trail]

That's the one. The other entry is for opening the Atlas itself with G (it shows as a 71)

[proud igloo]

The full set of trees are behind OAuth, so not even with PoB's current type of API use.

https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/reference#type-LeagueAccount

[lilac trail]

So it would be possible to pull the information if I understand what is outlined there correctly. When they say league - is that for any league or just the current running one ? I mean Std is a league for example (and all I play). This would not be very useful if it were just for Necropolis itself

Well not useful for what I want 🙂

Oh ... what about this - https://www.pathofexile.com/developer/docs/data

[proud igloo]

In order to read the trees you need a registered OAuth application with account:league_accounts scope. I don't see anything that indicates the current one, just the full set for that league.

[proud igloo]

That's the tree JSON underpinning the tree, not any personal allocations.

The stuff people use pre-league for updating PoB and other tooling.

[lilac trail]

I guess it's a dead end for now then

[tropic ibex]

how does poe run on mac now

have they fixed bugs/added better optimization?

[balmy laurel]

speaking of.... can anyone help wit this?

worked fine 2 days ago when i played last...

[atomic herald]

todays patch, and i cant start poe from steam anylonger

it just crashes instantly at startup

and i played alot yday... i hope it will get fixed soon 🥴

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3525250

[lilac trail]

That sucks. Good luck getting anyone at GGG to notice.

I didn’t have an issue updating my Mac client yesterday but that’s as far as I went. I’m running POE via GPTK. I won’t go back to the Mac client at all.

[atomic herald]

it works for u today after patch this way?

[lilac trail]

GPTK based version does. I got to the login screen after updating Mac client. I didn’t start the game though. I can try it later and let you know.

[atomic herald]

i am confused about that GPTK - do u play windows version with it?

[lilac trail]

Yes

[proud igloo]

Wow, there's almost a dozen of you all in that post

[lilac trail]

An interesting development .... I can't start POE MacOS client. It just keeps crashing out, no error msg. On the third attempt to try and start it I got this

WTH ? Development folder ? Never seen this before. That has to be from GGG themselves

I removed the POE executable before running the update so it has nothing to complain about. Why is it all of a sudden trying to write to a development folder - especially since this has never existed on the client afaik. Someone released the wrong update into Production at a guess 🤔

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail Executable contains development/tags/3.24.2, as opposed to the previous one that had release/tags/3.24.2.

As for what a different build profile implies, I don't know. Might enable a whole lot more stuff in the client or assume more about the environment it runs in.

Lots of development rather than production strings too.

[lilac trail]

So they released development instead of production code for the Mac client then ? Nice. Haven't seen that sort of balls up in a while ....
I created a new ticket in the Technical forum. There are about 4. Maybe GGG take a look or maybe not 🤷‍♂️ No-one seems to have reported what I have but maybe I just got lucky. Someone at GGG should be paying attnetion to this. I'm gonna go post it on Reddit. That should be fun ... though then they would be able to know what my Reddit handle is and who I am in POE so maybe not ....I'll give them a day to fix it

[balmy laurel]

there are at least 5 different threads

[proud igloo]

Upside of things, there's something happening on macOS 😄

[lilac trail]

True but unfortunately it isn't a good thing 😬

[proud igloo]

My speculation is mostly along the benign lines of "compile a release build but with asserts to find where things go pear-shaped". I have absolutely no evidence however and don't know where to start digging.
The executable is a nice juicy 11 megs larger than the previous one, that's neat. (83 vs 94 MiB).

[atomic herald]

so they made a patch, late at evening, released it and went to bed... and now they come back to work and Ooops 😂

Lots of mac-users posted in this thread as well
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3525223

[proud igloo]

At least it's not weekend. Yet.

[obtuse vault]

thankfully I did not log out

still playing on my mac unless they decide to do a realm restart

[lilac trail]

At least another 6 hrs before anyone even takes a look at Forum posts. So glad I have not bought anything for close to 2 years. I get issues happen but this just isn’t right. A simple test by someone at GGG once a patch is in production what have revealed there is a problem. But who cares, it’s a free game and they already have your money seems to be the prevailing philosophy.

[edgy jacinth]

yeah I'm experiencing the same problem

everyone who reads this please make a quick post on the two forum links above so GGG will notice as quickly as possible

(to the extent they notice at all!)

[lilac trail]

And consider setting up and using GPTK to run POE if you need your POE fix now. The instructions on how to do that are in a pinned message in this sub channel. It'll take an hour at most to do.

[proud igloo]

Some log entries just for Bob

error    20:34:51.718235+1200    PathOfExileClient    CurrentVBLDelta returned 399984 for display 1 -- ignoring unreasonable value
error    20:34:51.718251+1200    PathOfExileClient    [0x7f995b8a2620] Bad CurrentVBLDelta for display 1 is zero. defaulting to 60Hz.

[atomic herald]

oh, i thought they were in USA, but new zealand oh, so now they have morning...

[atomic herald]

finally they woke up 🤓
#ggg-tracker message

[proud igloo]

[edgy jacinth]

anyone gone outside today instead? what's the real world like?

[proud igloo]

I went to the lake to sit on a bench by the water. Very peaceful.

[lilac trail]

R U sure ? Have they released a fix yet ?

[proud igloo]

Investigating is the first step to enlightenment.

[proud igloo]

Just fixed.

Supposedly 🙂

The Steam client should now be fixed for macOS users. For macOS users using the standalone client, you will need to re-install Path of Exile using the macOS installer here, apologies for the inconvenience.

If you continue to run into this error please don't hesitate to let us know.

Steam patch hit 25 min ago so ought to be visible.

[edgy jacinth]

Yup, we're back. Steam client update you have to download, then it worked for me

[proud igloo]

Steam patch is just new executables, so a hundred megs or so.

[edgy jacinth]

I also went by a lake and sat by the water btw - although not quite as peaceful as yours sounds, as I live in a dense neighborhood 🙂 Hope everyone enjoyed their day off

[proud igloo]

Standalone probably krangled itself enough to need a fresh installation to not use old files to patch.

[atomic herald]

yes it works, i am ingame, and i used the day to recover from some days not enough sleep 😛

[lilac trail]

I'm sure there is a clever response to that but I'm not feeling it at the moment 🤪

[lilac trail]

Got as far as the login screen. That's further than before. Did they make any comments on the fumble or just gonna pretend it happened in another dimension ....

[proud igloo]

The above quote is all that's been said.

[lilac trail]

For macOS users using the standalone client, you will need to re-install Path of Exile using the macOS installer here, apologies for the inconvenience.

This isn't even accurate. I just clicked on the POE icon and it updated as usual.

No re-install required. Who have they got advising the support team ... geez

[lilac trail]

Seems like poe.ninja is having a meltdown - items posted in there over 100 divines yet go to trade and they are 1c 🤣

[edgy jacinth]

that's funny - i always felt like you could never truly trust them

what's an example?

[proud igloo]

They defeat so many manipulation attempts, the amusing ones are the ones that throw off the heuristics enough to slip through.
Could be a bug too, of course.

Regardless, it helps if the problem is reported promptly rather than just smile at it.

[lilac trail]

Is this inregards to poe.ninja ? I can't find anywhere on the site that links to where I'd report an issue.
Here are 2 items - in Standard that have a price on poe.ninja that is nowhere near what the actual prices on Trade are. I'm curious where poe.ninja is getting the data from.

https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/LJzWLYlCn - listed as 20 div
https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search/Standard/L9zQ0VHn - listed for 250 div

ninja doesn't show if these are legacy items, or whether the price is for a 6L or includes another special property. It just provides a trade link

I'd send a note to someone but no idea who or how.
Other items in other categories seem to work just fine

[proud igloo]

I assume they're not from some sort of builds section but from the unique item section of the front page.

[proud igloo]

Arakaali's Fang is separated on ninja between the foil version and regular one; with a significant difference in value and with "medium confidence" for the foil.
Pillar of the Caged God has a race reward alt-art, which greatly justifies the value bump.
The primary bug here is that the search for the alt-art entry doesn't populate the alt-art field in the query, prices agree way more if you check Alternate Art.

As for reporting, heaven knows, I just poke the author 😛

Being able to do so requires information like where you see the problem on the site and what the problem is.

[lilac trail]

I could totally send that type of info along. I'm guessing though that the author(s) of poe.ninja would get spammed to death if there was a simple link to them. I don't really use the pricing guide all that much and I'm somewhat aware why some the pricing seems wildly out of whack with the actual trade site, but of course new players (I still consider myself new even after 6 years 😜 ) would find it somewhat confusing (as do I after all this time. I'm just a really slow learner .....)

[edgy jacinth]

for running PoB in CrossOver, what does this error mean when you're trying to use the trade for these items function in the items section

and then PoB just crashes. just started happening randomly yesterday

[proud igloo]

The trade functionality is a bit brittle and relies on that it can obtain things from the PoE API correctly over the web.
I forget what goes wrong to cause that problem, but look for whether the League field up top is populated and if there's any error at the bottom, hidden away a bit.

I also forget if you need a POESESSID, and if it could be a sign that you've gotten a cloudflare challenge that prevents automation.

It could be something about Crossover's networking/certs, it could be your connection, it could be your IP address being considered suspicious, etc.

[lilac trail]

How do you use the trade feature in the Items section ? I'd be curious to try it out but I don't see the option (likely staring me in the face ....)

[edgy jacinth]

the feature is amazing! click "trade for these items" in the top left of that section

here's one video explaining how to use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBNml8WHfW8

this also has info midway through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJSKc0vhjSw

[edgy jacinth]

Ye there is a hidden error msg at bottom!

JSON object not found on page

league field is empty

maybe i need to reenter my possessid

[lilac trail]

Session mode required POESESSID. No Session mode does not. No Session mode is pretty limited so Session mode is more useful I expect

One thing - it says you can get POESESSID from browser cookies - how ?

[edgy jacinth]

go into the web developer tools of your browser while on the trade site

then find a section called storage, then cookies, choose pathofexile.com

should see a name POSSESSID

[lilac trail]

Got it - thxs. It might be a good idea to make this a pinned post. I'll request it of the moderator

[lilac trail]

Hmmm - doesn't seem to work too well for a search on a Unique in weapon slot 1. Took out every parameter except 1 and it still came up blank. Removed the weighted search and just did a normal search and trade site found item. I can see it being useful while levelling, maybe not as much as you try to min-max. Still a cool feature to have though 👍

[edgy jacinth]

its super useful for certain things while min maxing, like jewel slots

but yeah it's not perfect

also redoing the POSSESSID fixed my problem, thanks for the ideas @proud igloo

yeah i'd guess in general for uniques it wouldn't be the best

but i use it for quivers a lot, very helpful there

[lilac trail]

The initial search it builds for you is great. It would take hours to do solo by hand. Narrowing it down after that is, and should be, up to the user. I'm surprised though that after I removed all mods except the one Implicit the updated search still came back with zero items. If I did a non-weighted search it returned results 🤷‍♂️ Probably my bad in ot understanding what a weighted search actually means ...

[edgy jacinth]

if you haven't had a chance i'd watch those two videos i linked to above, they help explain it... it's complicated yeah and i still don't totally understand. there's probably better explainers out there

[lilac trail]

I watched the ZiggyD one. I got the gist of it.

[lilac trail]

Does anyone have a trade search that will shown only 8mod T16 corrupted with 20% quality ? T16 corrupted with 20% is easy enough but getting 8mod maps only is a challenge and I don't want to be counting the lines for every listing to see if it's truly 8mod or not

[proud igloo]

Can't you use the "# Modifiers" pseudo field?

[lilac trail]

So many options in there. Wasn't aware of that one. Some of the prefix or suffix values are grouped, so they would count as one, not multiple. I'll put 8 in that field and see what comes out 🤞

[proud igloo]

It should count accurately, including overlapping hybrid mods.

I use those kinds of pseudos in combinations for finding items that have crafting/slamming potential.

[lilac trail]

Looks like it worked. Here is a listing that clearly has more than 8 "mods" on it but as as you mentioned, it groups the overlaps, so you get a listing with true 8mod stats.
Thanks for that tip !

[proud igloo]

Terminology-wise, I'd refer to the individual lines as "stats".

[lilac trail]

Is there any way to apply filter criteria to bulk trade tab ? It's hit and miss otherwise

[proud igloo]

Nope, only quantity/bundle/fulfilment. It's intended at its core to be for trading fungible items and fragments.

[lilac trail]

That means I have to ping people and ask if the maps they have are 8mod then. That's ok as long as they respond, which we know with trade can be a 50-50 chance 😬 Ah well - can't make it too easy right ?

[proud igloo]

As I understand it, the intended purpose for including maps in there is that sometimes you want to buy multiples of maps that are all interchangeable w.r.t. mods, or are interested in buying a suite of arbitrarily-modded maps for completion.
They don't really fit into that core idea of "bulk" but are there because that there's some value to it.

For more niche trades, the trade site really doesn't have them in scope and you get to enjoy the company of trading Discords and third party websites.

Or trade globals 😉

[lilac trail]

I consider it a badge of honour never to have used global trade channel in-game. Does anyone sane actually go there anymore. It looks like quite the cesspool when I’ve accidentally enabled it.

[lilac trail]

Some of you will be aware but some will not - Apple just release a new beta version of GPTK (2.0). Not sure if this will make POE any smoother but hopefully it doesn’t break it.

If you want to try it out (along with the beta MacOS) do it in a second partition, not your primary. I think there is a pinned message how to do so in this forum. If not I can post how-to in a day or so when I have access to a computer.

It won’t be part of Crossover or other apps till it’s stable but should be incorporated once it has a green light.

[fossil dock]

CXPatcher roll release with GPTK 2.0b1 but I don't have time to test it

[lilac trail]

Wow - that was fast. I know one of the developers. They also built Wineskin so I expect that has probably been updated too.

[rough timber]

is there a way to prevent PoE from bricking when closing the mac while the game is still running or when there is an update?
cause i have to reinstall PoE quite often sadly (GPTK doesnt work on my M2 Mac Air 2023 somehow)

besides i only run PoE on this mac to do trades while i am at university

so no need to make it run that well that i can actually play the game lol

[lilac trail]

You mean you have to restart POE, not re-install I assume. There is no way to keep it alive indefinitely that I'm aware of. I've had POE shutdown on me when the lid is fully open, both in-game and in HO.

[lilac trail]

You might want to look at this app - you still need access to the game for it to be useful but it might be handy if temporarily away from computer and you don't want to miss a trade opportunity - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3527111/page/1

[lilac trail]

Can you compare other tabs such as config or calculation in PoB like you can with the tree or it’s manual comparison only (2 screenshots side by side or something else)

[proud igloo]

Crossing your eyes is the best you've got. In Calcs you can click hover breakdowns to force them to stay open.

The program is really not built around multiple builds in any way, even the Party tab is quite a hack.
One could envisionably implement something around item sets or skill group sets, but it's something you do way less than compare tree nodes.

[lilac trail]

Thxs. The calculations sometimes depend on items in other tabs as well so just looking at a number doesn’t tell the whole story. Technically I guess you could compare the xml file data between two builds in a text editor. That should show the differences in each tab would it not ?

[proud igloo]

Probably. It somewhat reflects the current computed state of the build, which is why stuff like pobbin's summary works as well as it does.

[rough timber]

no i really mean reinstall - its basically bricking if i do it that way :/

[proud igloo]

That sounds quite impressive.

[rough timber]

sadly id have to make the app work on an emulator to message me there so i can then send it to my Iphone ;-; and send the response back to the app in the emulator ._. so that wont be a thing for now :/

i mean my mac is really not made for PoE lol - its just to cover the boredom during certain lectures

[edgy jacinth]

by not made for PoE do you mean not meeting minimum system requirements? If so there might not be an easy way around it. What mac are you running it on? OS, hardware, etc?

[lilac trail]

Is your Mac locked down by the school you are at ? I don't understand what you mean by it's bricked ? There is an error that occurs when trying to patch. There is a work around for that in the pinned messages in this channel (you remove the POE executable and then restart patching basically). You should not have to re-install the game at all.
Is this via steam or stand alone client ? If via steam you could use Geforce now - free tier. That way POE is not on your system at all, just the GFN client.

[balmy laurel]

Does anyone here successfully use awakened Poe trade on MacOS without jumping through hoops?

[lilac trail]

R U running the Mac based port or are you trying to run it via something like Crossover or portingkit or GPTK ? Personally I could not get the native port to work but I believe some people in this thread have had it running via other methods. Do a search on APT and/or Awakened POE. You should find the discussion threads.

[balmy laurel]

I tried the Mac based port but it wouldnt run.

Im a new/first time Mac user so I have no idea what I need to do to get it to run (if its even possible).

I read the threads and I feel like Im doing what is mentioned but since I dont really know what Im doing on Mac in general, im not really sure

those other methods you mentioned - Crossover / Portingkit / GPTK - i dont know what they are / how to implement them

[balmy laurel]

I was getting crash errors due to accessibility issues

[balmy laurel]

are these things that run the Windows version on Mac?

[plucky swallow]

That worked for me

tiltshiftfocus commented Feb 19, 2024
In order to use Awakened PoE Trade as an app, instead of running from Terminal, which is crashing right on start, do the following in Terminal:

sudo xattr -r -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app
and
codesign --force --deep --sign - /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app

Then, make sure Awakened PoE Trade is added in the list in Settings -> Privacy and Security -> Accessibility. If it is added automatically via running the app, remove it from the list and add it manually.

[lilac trail]

Thxs for tracking this down. I did this and sadly it still did not work for me ☹️

[lilac trail]

Yes. Don’t feel bad you could not get it to run. It doesn’t run for lots of people.

I will see if I can track down how others got it to run via one of the alt methods.

[plucky swallow]

Can be steps’ order problem, clean accessibility before starting and monitoring processes

Path problem better drag and drop file into terminal

[lilac trail]

If I can gather the enthusiasm to do so I’ll start from scratch. The forum post has instructions on how to completely remove all traces yes ?

I think @gordon had it running under GPTK. Had to change the APT settings if I recall 🤔

[lilac trail]

TAG: Install APT on Mac

OK. I have APT running on my M1 now. I did the following
Remove APT from System Settings -> Accessibility -> Awakened POE Trade
Do this by highlighting the app in Settings -> Accessibility -> Awakened POE Trade
Select the minus sign (-) at the bottom LHS
Verify visually app is no longer listed
Remove the app from Applications (usually a favourites item on LHS of a Finder window). Do this by dragging Awakened POE Trade to the rubbish bin
Clear rubbish bin. Verify visually app is no longer in app folder. You can also check by looking in Launchpad. It should not be there (it's symbol is an awakened orb)

Download the app as per the Forum posting list. Last version linked there is 3.23.10002-universal.dmg. If there is a more recent update I do not have the link
Open the dmg. Drag the app to the Applications folder
Right click icon to open (from either application folder or launchpad)
You will likely ge several error messages. 1 message will state the app is not signed. You should be able to ignore that.
The next message that may appear is the application crashing. Press ignore from the 3 options presented.
Re-open the app. This time for me it did not crash.
Start POE
Choose shift+space. This brings up the APT menu.

I have not actually tried to price anything. Been so long since I used this I can't remember how 🙂 At least it did not crash this time.
YMMV.
There are other things that can be tried - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3129523/page/1
These are on pages near the end. They include what @plucky swallow mentioned this morning but there are other options to also try. I did not need to do so.
Whether APT opens and works consistently I don't k ow but I hope so.

And if anyone can give me a quick run down on how to do a price check I'll check to see if the app actually works still on a Mac 🙂

[balmy laurel]

i had to click through a dozen or more crash reports & accessibility requests but its working now..... not really sure that I did anything different to previous efforts

thanks all

[lilac trail]

I read in the forum that some users had to remove,add,remove,add the app to accessibility at least 6 times or more before it started working. Weird but nice it is now working.

If the version correspond to league than it might not be able to price thing for Necropolis. Not an issue for me since I only play Standard.

[balmy laurel]

the other bug / issue i encounter is whenever there is an update, my Steam version registers an "Update Failed - Disk Write Error". I always have to restart my computer to get it to work

any solution for that?

[plucky swallow]

External or internal disk?

[lilac trail]

How is the game after latest patch. I see they messed with graphics again. That never goes well with GGG for some reason ….oh look they had to release a hotfix. If only I used my powers of observation for good 🤣

[proud igloo]

I haven't looked on macOS yet, on PC there's now a fixed set of relative resolutions and a choice of upscaling algorithms.

This kind of resembles the macOS-only slider we had for render resolution before, so it might also be on macOS if NVidia's NIS has a SDK for that OS.

[lilac trail]

I’ll update the MacOS client just for giggles. I doubt it now has choices like this but I’ll post once it is done. Patch is 3.9GB 😳

Well well well ... the Mac client has options too
I'm not sure how well the game runs. It was dog slow to start up but that may be because they also implemented a cache clear on startup I think (something in the patch notes about that)

[proud igloo]

Heh, almost 4K at the lowest fraction still 😄

[lilac trail]

Now - does this mean we could go above 60FPS ? My monitor is a 27" Studio and runs at 60Mhz so I won't be able to tell.

[lilac trail]

Yeah - I'm not sure I understand the settings. 50% means less sharpness but better performance right ? Which means No Upscale should mean best graphics rendering but with a performance impact, or is it the other way round ?

Does this mean the Mac client got an update or is this all server side ?
I forgot to NOT delete Path of Exile before I patched so I don't know if that issue is still there or there put a fix in for it as well. The patch notes were light on details of other things they may have done.

[proud igloo]

The way this works is that the all the 2D elements are drawn at full resolution as usual. The 3D scene is drawn to an off-screen target of the possibly-lower resolution. That is then up-scaled in 2D with some naive or intelligent algorithm to full-resolution to be composited below the HUD.
The old scaling was just "bilinear filtering", which leads to a fuzzy/blocky square look. The new scaling has a different algorithm from NVidia called "NIS", which is more content-aware. This is akin to technologies like FSR and DLSS for intelligent upscaling. Pretty much all games these days have some amount of upscaling as it's just too heavy to draw naive 4K or higher in most situations.

And yes, this is a client update. They remembered macOS existed - if but for a moment 😉

[rough timber]

nah its my own device.

PoE just casually bricks when an update arrives stating that there occured an error with the storage (there is still enought room for the game)

[lucid galleon]

6400 x 3600

💀

4090 would fire up

[plucky swallow]

has poe2 cbt got macos support?

[proud igloo]

I don't know if there's been any public word on PoE2 and macOS.

[plucky swallow]

okay

[proud igloo]

It's been a while since I signed up, but if they ask about hardware specs you might get to shine.

[plucky swallow]

then focusing on new league poe3

[proud igloo]

PoE: Mobile

[plucky swallow]

is 40gb full client?

[proud igloo]

Pretty much:

zao@Larss-Mac-mini ~ % du -hsc ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile
 39G    /Users/zao/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile

PoE on macOS is similarly structured to how it's on PC. Standalone has a GGPK in v4 format and some executables, Steam has the exact same data depot as on PC together with a macOS executables depot.

[rough pivot]

Guys does anyone uses GFN?

[plucky swallow]

after buying m2 mac mini - no, but what are you interested in?

[rough pivot]

poe trade overlay and tools, is there a way to install them on gfn?

[plucky swallow]

awakened poe trade- no, you have to have local files, what i've managed to do is to use loot filter as it's now managable via poe website and used steam overlay for browser and trading via poe website

trade also managable via local browser if shared copy/paste buffer is enabled in gfn settings(may be by default)

[plucky swallow]

is there a way to change ctrl to cmd in awakened poe trade?

[boreal delta]

Any way to get the POB beta on mac?

Would love to start playing around

[proud igloo]

Unless you want to assemble it yourself, the best bet is probably to run the Windows version under a Wine, like crossover or the other Wine-based projects.

[rough pivot]

thanks for the tips 🙂

[boreal delta]

CrossOver it is, too lazy for building myself 😄

[heavy lodge]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009944 here is a good start, if you didnt know

[boreal delta]

Yeye, I know

But using CrossOver is so much better I now realise

The Mac port just has so many quirks

[lilac trail]

If you already own Crossover then use it for POB, otherwise use the free app portingkit (portingkit.com). It runs the Windows version of POB perfectly. Agree regarding the Mac port - it’s too wonky. The Mac port of APT though is not bad.

[boreal delta]

APT works fine ye

I have Crossover anyhow for LE, so that's a no brainer now

[hollow wagon]

Hi together i will get a m3 pro with 16gb ram next month and think about using it as poe2 gaming machine with an external gpu via thunderbolt 4 has somebody tried that out?

[proud igloo]

16 gig of RAM feels like it could be a bit small if PoE2 has richer graphics and assumedly more data than PoE1.

Not sure if they've said anything about system requirements for PC even.

No idea about external GPUs and macOS in general, I'd be surprised if normal vendors would have Metal but I'm not well versed in the Mac world.

[plucky swallow]

external gpu only on intel mac, apple silicon only apple hardware

[hollow wagon]

damned sad

[plucky swallow]

if you are buying for gaming then check what apps you will be using and how they run on specific M chips

M Max is top gaming machine

for 60 fps in 1440p, of course depends on apps but in general

just M chip is 720p@30

fans adds stability for prolonged sessions, though air can be stabilized with external fan stand

[proud igloo]

PoE2 could be quite different in perf from 1, either better or worse depending on what your limiting factor is.

Assuming they ever ship for macOS 😉

[scenic belfry]

Is pob for mac for 3.25 out yet?

[light glen]

I have access to it on the 2.42 version which I updated from the source, following instructions from this thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3009944. I turned on the Opt-in for Weekly Beta test Builds, reopened the app, and it has the 3.25 skill trees now.

The 2.44 Version came out like 40 minutes ago and again, updated from source following those instructions, and it's up and working on mac now.

Is anyone getting random crashes to Desktop in POE lately? I started getting them yesterday, and I'm practically getting them every time I try to go to a new zone in the campaign

[trail sinew]

Getting complete game crashes straight to Desktop (Windows) and never had any issues with PoE in the past.
So far the game crashed multiple times in:

• Act 3
• Act 4 (after defeating Piety and entering The Harvest)
• Act 5 (the Reliquary)

Seems to happen a lot immediately after boss fights, e.g. while trying to exit the area

[light glen]

Yep exactly

Idk if they're testing something right now and it's a bug? But it definitely started yesterday and similarly had no issues in the past

[light glen]

Yeah seems to always be after bosses (or mini-bosses for Pantheon)

I just got it again after Doedre

[trail sinew]

Yes 🫤
A workaround seems to be to drop a TP immediately after the boss fight, head to town, then go back and proceed

[proud igloo]

Whoa. Some "can't open the game on Mac" forum posts got a "we're looking into this".

[heavy lodge]

hey, is there a website/service where i can just copy&past an intem into and get a price estimate similar to awekened poe?

cant really run awakened poe on my mac, thats why im asking. thanks

[heavy lodge]

or did anybody here manage to get it to run on silicon chips?

[proud igloo]

Last I heard about it, it was mostly about accessibility permissions crashing it out on newer macOS. Not sure what the state of it is now.

It's pretty much "community supported", meaning that y'all get to test it and find solutions 😄

[lilac trail]

APT works on M series Mac. A few people in this forum have it running.

There is also a website that will price an item for you - https://www.poeprices.info/

[heavy lodge]

thank you very much - it crashes for me every time, and it asks for premissions that it allready should have. i dont know, i googled it and tried to solve it myself, but im at my wits end

i will try do make it work with the website

[lilac trail]

It used to do the same for me. The way to “fix” it is outlined in the forum post pages. You will basically repeat a number of steps till it stops crashing.

My memory is that I had to totally remove the app first. Then make sure it is not in the accessibility permissions list at all. Then reinstall the app. Go to accessibility and see if it has been added. If not add it. If it is there try to start the app. It might throw warnings or errors but hopefully not crash.

You may have to enable/remove/enable/remove/enable multiple times for it to start working. The way I first knew was it did not crash on me 😁

[heavy lodge]

allright, i will give it another shot - thank you 🙂

[lilac trail]

On the top of the 15th page is the method I used. It only took me twice to get it going. YMMV - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3129523/page/15

There are other methods to try in the forum before and after page 15 but I did not need to do those

[heavy lodge]

ah it did work

this comment made it clear: https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade/issues/1153#issuecomment-1850545037

thank you very much for your support Bob! now on to learn to actually use it 🙂

[plucky swallow]

fps jumps from 5 to 30-40, resolution and settings doesn't matter whether it's 240p or 720p, related to cpu graph, maybe there are some work around like turning off steam overlay^ full sdcreen

[fossil dock]

Last comment in issue propose working fix

[heavy lodge]

yes, as i said, it does work now for me without issue

[scenic belfry]

tysmmm i got busy with something couldnt check the messages

[echo sage]

imagine playing games on a mac in 2024 lmfao

[light glen]

Nw

[light glen]

Couldn't quite tell if you got it fixed, I managed to get it working by running /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app/Contents/MacOS/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade

Strangely, I tried to make a shortcut that would run this code to open it, and for some reason it's not able to run through Shortcuts, despite me being able to run code through other shortcuts easily. I don't get that error in terminal, so I don't really know where it comes from

[devout harbor]

sometimes I don't wanna listen to my PC fan go brrrrrr

[heavy lodge]

mh, i just created an alias to the terminal script and put it on my desktop

the terminal+the app needs accessibility premissions

[light glen]

hmm alr then

[plucky swallow]

Does usually new league patch introduce some performance improvements or changes to macos client? Or it is the same thing from previous league to expect

[proud igloo]

We got a fair dusting of changes with the resolution scaling recently, but it's an ongoing process I reckon. Usually general perf rather than specific architectures.

[lilac trail]

Depends what you mean by performance improvements.
I used to be able to play POE fairly well in a VM believe it or not. Now it is basically impossible. From that POV performance has declined.
At the high end of mega juicing maps, even some fairly new Windows rigs cannot run the game well.
It’s weird GGG have such a mode but can’t seem to optimise it for better performance.

There will be issues with the league. There is every league. GGG can only test things to a certain degree. They need the league to get more data to fine tune/fix things. Not too surprising.

Other than that I expect performance will be just fine. Remember though - FPS is capped for the Mac client, so you won’t see frame rates as high as a Windows system.

[proud igloo]

I was going to cover the basics of how awesome the systems in the game are for designers and a pure joy for performance engineers, but you know it all already 😄

[charred sparrow]

is there a reliable guide to optimise the performance of poe on mac ?

[fossil dock]

i think - no

[proud igloo]

Not too much to tune on the OS or within the bounds of the game.

[fossil dock]

IMHO, buying latest Mmax or Multra Mac with at least 32 Gb RAM is the greatest solution... but it cost some money....

[somber oyster]

ok so, are we running it natively or is there a good option? @fossil dock

[fossil dock]

From 3.22 I use GPTK (via Crossover), IMHO it's more FPS-stable choice, also mac version have some bugs many-many years... for example with some delve node generation.
In case of today/tomorow 3.25 start I would recommend to have both version - 'native' and GPTK one, no one kwnow what can happen with such a huge game path like 3.25

[somber oyster]

n wonder i wasnt getting good rolls

ffs mac

i have been running tier 15 maps and is ran well so far on monitor(1920x 1080) but wierdly i changed the hdmi cables and its all laggy now

how many fps do u get on crossover via gptk

[lilac trail]

You should get at least 45-55FPS with Crossover. If you run 80% deli plus other things to juice maps that will drop, if it even runs.

As @gordon suggests don’t run POE using the native version for MacOS. It is less stable than other options.

Crossover is the easiest to setup. I use GPTK itself (there are instructions on how to in pinned messages). It’s free (Crossover is not after a 2 week trial) but a lot more work to set up.

[brave trail]

I recently got vmware fusion so do you guys think that poe would run better through the virtual machine or not? my average fps in non-juiced maps is around 10 while in hideout it is around 30 so it is quite bad.

[plucky swallow]

idk, today it's perfectly fine after patch, may be because I closed other apps, lots of other apps on the background and high memory usage let to 2-30 fps

[edgy jacinth]

Bob and I tested VMware fusion after it became free and it was unplayable

[brave trail]

ok thanks

[lilac trail]

Yeah, sadly a VM is no longer an option with POE. GPTK, Crossover, portingkit and Wineskin all work though, so plenty of options to avoid using the native client.

For those who are using GFN - someone posted this article about using APT with it.

I wasn’t aware you could run APT is a browser ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/SsHzTgbkOn

[lilac trail]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/s/oTqKAhKpLF

[wet nymph]

Getting ready for today's launch ... is there a good way to get PoB running in Whisky or similar, or is the native build better?

[plucky swallow]

it was easier for me to create bottle with wineskin/whisky and copy-paste portable version

[wet nymph]

thanks. i guess it doesn't have the new gems yet anyway...

[lilac trail]

Don’t use the Mac port. Use the Windows version by whatever app is best for you. Crossover, portingkit and Wineskin will all work. I would suggest not using Whisky. It runs on a much earlier version of WINE than the others.

How does one get into the queue “early” ? I can literally sit in front of the desktop but never seem to get closer than several thousand 🤔

[proud igloo]

I do it constantly on PC for many leagues now, the overlay has significant performance implications.

Both the APT and TFT ones suffer.

[proud igloo]

Luck/skill 😉

[lilac trail]

Well that’s where I’m going wrong 🤣 I need to get me some of that.

[proud igloo]

Alternatively, streamer queue

[edgy jacinth]

is the update available for download on steam?

[proud igloo]

It hits macOS and PC at the same time, sometime during this 3h period until launch.

I forget if this was the patch that would be slightly delayed or if that was a previous one.

[edgy jacinth]

patch is up!

[heavy lodge]

not for mac yet

[edgy jacinth]

yes i'm on mac

i'm downloading it now

quit steam and reopen

[proud igloo]

It releases atomically for both OSes, local conditions vary.

[heavy lodge]

youre right 🙂

[edgy jacinth]

now better question when will queue open

[plucky swallow]

usually 1h before?

[boreal delta]

Or 2

I wonder, is it enough to spam login button ingame and when queue opens it switches from "maintenance"to the queue or is a restart required?

Well, I see streamers spamming login button, so probably no restart necessary 😄

[proud igloo]

[plucky swallow]

client restart helped me

[boreal delta]

Spamming worked for me

I’m 2749 💪🏻

[lilac trail]

Holy cow - I’m 44974 😬 I’m guessing once you download the update you can be queued for login. Will try that next time

[edgy jacinth]

I thought you just played standard - you trying league out?

[boreal delta]

You can start the game and when you try to login you get the "servers down for maintenance" then you just spam the login button and suddenly you're in queue

[lilac trail]

I do only play Standard. No chance I’m playing league. I have other city builders I’d prefer to play 😜 It does look interesting though.

I just want to get in and start fixing builds

Interestingly I fired up my Windows VM after my Crossover based one.
i am number 41300. How can I be 3600 less than the one I first tried to login to ?

[edgy jacinth]

i just joined and am 42316

maybe it's dynamic as people are getting disconnected?

[lilac trail]

That’s a ton of people to drop off. The league hasn’t even started and they’re losing players 🤣

Hopped off and back on my alt account (which I have for scientific reasons) - 46893

[stuck matrix]

Anyone know why my POE is instantly crashing in crossover?

[wet nymph]

Is there a recommended fix for "damaged and can't be opened"?

OK, possible workaround here, still downloading but we will see: hit "Move to Trash", then drag it back to ~/"Library/Application Support/Path of Exile" Works to get the update but not to run it

[lilac trail]

What setting r u using for the bottle ?

They’re late 😡

Oh - here we go …..

[stuck matrix]

I tried turning on and off all the bottle settings. nothing worked.

i think i might know the issue

I have cxpatcher installed on that version of crossover. For now I'll just use geforce now.

[balmy laurel]

im on MacOS and am crashing every time at new character class select

[atomic herald]

same

4 times, not sure if any idea to test again

[brave trail]

same

[balmy laurel]

yeah i tried 4 times too. It also crashes on character select in Standard

[lilac trail]

I didn’t have an issue in Standard but I’m not running the Mac client. Using GPTK.

Others are reporting crashes when entering the coast. That’s nasty given it is basically start of game. First hotfix coming up !

[proud igloo]

Jul 26, 2024 10:56 PM (GMT+2) - We're aware of a crash on The Coast and are investigating a fix.

Jul 26, 2024 10:36 PM (GMT+2) - We're investigating a crash related to monsters using the Enduring Cry skill. We'll have a hotfix for this soon, which will not require a client restart.

I recommend tracking https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3533343

[wet nymph]

Mac still won't launch. Is content.ggpk at least portable to the PC version?

So that I don't have to redownload 40GB

... nope

[proud igloo]

No, it's a different format version.

In the past one could technically convert it, but with GGDH I don't know anymore.

Steam is identical across platforms.

[wet nymph]

OK it's opening now using option-right click, open, open

[atomic herald]

can mac switch renderers? but i guess thats not the problem when we cant even join the game

[balmy laurel]

i reinstalled the game from scratch and I can get in now

[atomic herald]

oh noes

i dont want to do that :/

[night blaze]

I'm doing the same thing in my Linux PC and my Mac

[proud igloo]

No, it's all Vulkan (on Metal).

[atomic herald]

what part in the crashreport i have is the intresting part that tells what happened?

i mean - does this say anything?
Kernel Triage:
VM - pmap_enter failed with resource shortage

TOTAL 12.9G
TOTAL, minus reserved VM space 11.9G

i have 800 gb free space so its not that

[junior escarp]

Help

[ornate sluice]

You guys are playing from steam?

[atomic herald]

yesterday i could login from steam with my mac studio, no problems, and i sorted some stuff, but now with new patch it crashes instant when i click either on an old standard char or on a create new

[brave trail]

redownloaded poe but still fails to load instance when trying to play on a created character. Instantly crashes when trying to make new character.

[lilac trail]

I get things happen and you can’t test everything but c’mon - this is Act 1. It has to have been tested you can get to that area. What is clear is they don’t test the Mac version.

[lilac trail]

That would suggest today’s patch introduced something to break stuff.

Clearly GGG don’t follow standard change processes of freezing changes after a certain point. This is what happens when you do …

There is a theoretical work around on the forum. Some people have said it works, others have said it didn’t work. Even a full re-install doesn’t help.

[lilac trail]

The Technical forum is not pretty reading. Two hotfixes already. PS5 players are hosed. The funny thing is a GGG staffer said they were working on a fix but it has to go through a certification process. Apparently Sony have to approve patches, but someone else also said that can be as short as an hour.

[proud igloo]

Both consoles have streamlined validation for patches, much lighter than full cert.

The whole system isn't super fit at all for the complete abomination that is PoE-style launch weekends.

Imagine if you had to wait for Apple 😉

[stuck matrix]

Ok my POE is still bricked. I can't launch it with crossover. I've tried tons of different bottle settings.

[lilac trail]

Don't even joke about that. I've had direct experience with that process 🤮 I truly do not understand after 12 years why POE launches continue to be clusterfuc$%^s. It means nothing that the queue was smooth if you can't get past the first waypoint in the first Act. They are not an indy company with no budget anymore ffs. Keystone cops look more organised ....

[lilac trail]

OK. I got my MacOS client working after encountering this message. Here is what I did

launch the game by this command

open ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile/Path\ of\ Exile.app

• You should get the error message.
• Move PathofExile.app to the Trash bin
• DO NOT empty the Trash bin !
• Drag and drop PathofExile.app from the Trash bin back to ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile/
• Right click and select open (you can also try the command above again but I just did right click)
• Patch should now start. It should be the 6.9G one
• Game should then launch normally.

[lilac trail]

What MacOS are you on and what version of Crossover ?

[proud igloo]

Laundering the bundle through the bin, cute 😄

[junior escarp]

I dont have the Exile.app

[lilac trail]

Not pretty but it worked. It was a proposed solution in one of the forum threads. I didn't remove the redist folder as they suggested. There seems to be a range of methods that have worked for others. I don't k now why one method works for some and not others. You'd think it would work the same for everyone.

I tried another method first. In Privacy settings it kept complaining about not be ing recognised. When I said open anyway it would send me into a continuous loop between the error message and open anyway. Something in the package that GGG built is not happy

[lilac trail]

You don't see this in that folder ?

[junior escarp]

just these

[lilac trail]

What is the full path to the folder you are showing ?

[junior escarp]

from user/library/application sup/poe

i could update my mac to 14.5 then try again

[lilac trail]

I assume you mean the full path similar to this /Users/Bob/Library/Application Support/Path of Exile ?
Just checking but you unhid the Library folder yes ? It isn't normally visible. What you show above looks like a partial install

[junior escarp]

idk if it'll work tho

[junior escarp]

yup

[lilac trail]

The mACos ISN'T THE ISSUE

Whoops - sorry for the caps there. I think updating the OS wouldn't help you

iS THAT ALL YOU HAVE IN THAT FOLDER ?

Arggh. -stupid caps

[junior escarp]

I tried reinstalling and gave this

[lilac trail]

Is PathofExile.app in the Trash bin or you don't have it at all ?

[lilac trail]

OK good. You want the middle one shown there - the 105.6 MB one. Try these steps

1. Drag and drop PathofExile.app from the Trash bin back to ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile/
2. Right click on PathofExile.app and select open

Patch should now start. It should be the 6.9G one
Game should then launch normally.

[junior escarp]

but

i dont have the .app

[lilac trail]

that file is the app

[junior escarp]

ohhh

[lilac trail]

😀

[junior escarp]

lemme do it for a few mins

hold up

[lilac trail]

Sure

[junior escarp]

what about this existing files?

[lilac trail]

Shouldn't matter. The update will overwite what it needs to. That content ggpk is way to small for example. It means it puked during the original update.
You can remove the update.dat. Leave everything else. Technically you could remove it all but lets see how it goes without doing that first

Rather than clog up the forum here PM me and we'll try to get things running

Just sent you a DM

[atomic herald]

i still think this is the problem, something dont have space to activate

well that is just my guess, there are a lot of text i have no clue on

now i go to bed, gn all

[balmy laurel]

this is my latest problem

[brave trail]

yeah ive been having that problem since the very start. Most likely wont be fixed today. No mention of macOS in all the hotfixes.

[lilac trail]

Try different gateways

[edgy jacinth]

i'm unable to connect to any server

i was fine earlier, then after dinner this!

i can load the app fine, then the first time i can connect to a server, then when i pick my char it kicks me out

then i can't reconnect to any server until i quit the app and start the process over again

has anyone encountered that specifically?

[heavy lodge]

since the last update a few hours ago poe doesnt want to start anymore... it just bounces in the apptray endlessly

[balmy laurel]

Yes that’s what happens to me

[atomic herald]

yep same here now, and i see changes in the crashreport

they tried to do something - and failed...

[lilac trail]

FFS does anyone at GGG know how to test and fix stuff 😳

[proud igloo]

It'd be interesting to see if it's possible to tell what attributes or other aspects of a bundle that change when roundtripping via the bin; if they're observable from userland or if they're handled out of band.

Deployment is one of those things that are the hardest to test for, as people often have old systems with accumulated cruft, preferences and state from the past and where fresh machines or development systems behave differently.
You don't get the same kind of experience during development as you tend to have a different flow for rapid iteration where you operate on a single installation without updates in-place.

(not excuses)

[lilac trail]

I understand testing in a development environment is vastly different to the actual live environment. These issues though are surprising. If they are related to load then they could to a degree mimick that.

The whole update process seems odd. Guess what is back for me this morning ? That's right - the "Path of Exile is damaged". The bin trick no longer works.
2 other interesting observations while trying to get things going.

1. THe Move to Trash option does not actually move anything. It makes a copy and moves that to the bin. How can I tell - I have the POE folder open. The app file does not disappear - WTH ....
2. After removing the app file manually the download process starts and then pukes after about 10 seconds. It leaves 2 files in the POE directory. HashCache.dat and update.dat.
   Not sure if you can peek inside these but I bet something inside them is blowing thngs up

Further update. I removed HashCache, update and a small content.ggpk file. I then kicked off another update. This gave me the usual message. I selected Move to Trash (even though there was no file to move).

I then went to the Trash can and there was a Path of Exile app file (105.6MB). I dragged that back to the POE directory and right clicked to open it (double left click would also work).
It is now currently performing a full update - all 40+GB but at least it is going.

This clearly suggests to me that GGG has messed up the install package code somehow (or done something that Apple does not like and tosses it).
I will see if after the full update the game actually runs

[proud igloo]

It was built in an era when it (mostly) worked, and since Apple has gone ham on files downloaded from the internet, requiring explicit permission for accessing almost everything, etc.

I reckon there's a higher development cost now to delve into it again to figure out what the problem is and if they can address it in the current architecture of the launcher, not to mention actually implementing and testing it.

Probably one of those tasks that linger in the mid of the prio pile waiting for the few(?) developers with platform experience to have enough time to work on it.
It typically is the most senior and overspread people that has that ability.