mac-os🍎

[fossil dock]

I understand that, but we as a developer always can say - this is a beta version, only to test how it possibly may work (or not) on your system

look at GPTK 🙂

[proud igloo]

Regardless of the disclaimers, there's still fallout, bad PR and hampering of development when you have to constantly care about all those tangential things.

[fossil dock]

When and IF - I can choose bettwen download APT or POB beta for mac OR compile it locally or take from forum (or run in under wine/gptk or something else) - I always choose first

[proud igloo]

MacOS is especially problematic as it requires a fairly significant amount of money for a developer, even just for the hardware to build and test on let alone any subscription for signing builds.

With the limited resources one has, the best you a developer can do is to make it easier for trusted parties to adapt and package it for the platforms.

[wide marten]

https://www.twitch.tv/yhcao6

i am streaming here, if u r intested i can show u how poe perms on apt 😛

[proud igloo]

These kinds of things also tends to coincide with external developers with uncertain committment, often in a phase where there's few or a single developer for the original project.
If you pull in the work into mainline, you either have to share the project with a fairly unknown contributor or take on the full load yourself for maintaining it.

[wide marten]

ok i am gone

if u have problems about apt, ask me

this is the apt i build maybe u can try

[lilac trail]

By empty do you mean not there ? They can’t be there at all, not just zero bytes.

Is this a steam install or stand alone client ?

[lilac trail]

Path of Exile Install guide (GPTK only) - part 1 of 2. This is a long guide.

This guide covers configuring Path of Exile using GPTK (Apple Game Porting Kit). It does not cover using Crossover+CXPatcher. That is covered in another pinned message.
This guide uses GPTK v1.0.2 on Sonoma 14.5 via the command line. Command line syntax can either be pure Unix commands or a mixture of
Unix and Windows syntax. Both commands types are valid. Both are included here.

All commands in the guide are run in a terminal window (either the default terminal or a program such as iterm2, which is free), except for the script that
automates starting the game via a shortcut (just like Windows does).

It is assumed that users have configured their system to use the GPTK. If not head over to applegamingwiki.net or use the Outcoldman's guide
(https://www.outcoldman.com/en/archive/2023/06/07/playing-diablo-4-on-macos/), which outlines another game (with a better gaming convention then "my-game-prefix")
and includes how to update the tools when a new version of them is released.

After you have completed the GPTK setup via one of the guides above, download the Path of Exile Windows installer file from the Path of Exile website.
It should be in the Downloads folder in /Users/<username> AND in the game prefix directory you setup (mine is Users/username/Games/GGG//drive_c/users/crossover/Downloads).

To run the installer enter a similar command to that below in the terminal window

"gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/users/crossover/Downloads/PathOfExileInstaller.exe"
OR
"gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG "C:\users\crossover\Downloads\PathOfExileInstaller.exe"""

This will run the installer program. You can choose a different folder to install the game in or leave it at the
default (it will take a few seconds before it starts). This will install Content.ggpk, PathOfExile.exe and Redist (folder)
in the default directory, or the directory you provided during setup.

Change to the directory where PathOfExile.exe was installed. Typically it will be similar to the following

"cd ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/Path\ of\ Exile"

Continued below

Path of Exile Install guide (GPTK only) - part 2 of 2

Run the following command (sub in your own directory names) to have Path of Exile perform a full install

"gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile/PathofExile.exe"
OR
"gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG "C:\Program Files (x86)\Grinding Gear Games\Path of Exile\PathOfExile.exe"""

This will perform a full install of Path of Exile into the correct directory. After the install is finished DO NOT click Launch. Exit the program.

Next go to production_config.ini (it will likely be empty). Add the line and save the file
[DISPLAY]
renderer_type=DirectX12

This files is usually found in.
/Users/<username>/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile/

It will also be in
/Users/<username>/Games/GGG/users/crossover/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile

Your almost there. Now cd (change directory) to the directory that PathofExile_x64.exe resides in, which will be
/Users/<username>/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile or the directory you specified at install time

You MUST cd to the directory, otherwise the game will not run. Run the following command (change the directory name to whatever you set up)

"arch -x86_64 /usr/local/bin/gameportingtoolkit-no-hud ~/Games/GGG ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile/PathOfExile_X64.exe"
OR
"arch -x86_64 /usr/local/bin/gameportingtoolkit-no-hud ~/Games/GGG "C:\Program Files (x86)\Grinding Gear Games\Path of Exile\PathOfExile.exe"""

After a few seconds there should be a flash on screen followed by the game starting up as per normal. You will then be able to login and play.
You can go into options and change the settings to whatever is appropriate to your system. You should achieve 60+fps in game and in HO, far more than the native Mac client allows.

You can set the commands up in an Automator script. How to do that is outlined in outcoldman's guide (including how to change the icon).
Included below is what my script looks like

export PATH="/usr/local/bin:${PATH}"   # This isn't strictly necessary if you have already set this path in your profile

cd ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile ; (arch -x86_64 /usr/local/bin/gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile/PathOfExile_X64.exe) || true
OR
cd ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile ; (arch -x86_64 /usr/local/bin/gameportingtoolkit-no-hud ~/Games/GGG "C:\Program Files (x86)\Grinding Gear Games\Path of Exile\PathOfExile.exe") || true

First line above will show HUD in the top RH corner of screen. Second line gives the option to mask HUD. You only need 1 of these options.

[proud igloo]

(use lines of triple backticks around code blocks to avoid it being interpreted as markdown)

(single line inline code is similarly done with a single backtick surrounding it)

[lilac trail]

Thanks for that tip ! Hopefully I got it right. I placed quotes around each of the lines so that users should be able to cut and paste into terminal. I'm not sure about the double "" for the Unix/Windows path names but hopefully they are correct. I'm sure people will figure it out. The commands are correct, it's just the quotes that might be a little off

[proud igloo]

With some work you could probably clean your script up with some variables for the common things that keep repeating.

And oh, use # to comment in shell scripts.

[lilac trail]

Hey @copper rose - can you pin these two messages for me
#mac-os🍎 message
#mac-os🍎 message

[lilac trail]

I could clean it up for sure. If it was longer I would but I'm too lazy 😏 And thanks for reminding me about using # for comments. I was playing with AHK earlier which use ; then you have Windows scripts that use REM. Too many to keep track of 🤣

[fossil dock]

exilence-next is dead - is any alternative here?

[lilac trail]

Awesome @wide marten. To run APOE do I install the program via GPTK and put the file in the zip where on the system ?

[lilac trail]

Remind me what that does (or did) again. Ithought there was a successor to it but I need a memoey jog to go looking for it

POE Stack apparently is the successor of sorts. Here is the announcement in Reddit about the retirement of Exilence and the mention of POE Stack - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/13jx5ue/rip_exilence_thanks_for_all_your_hard_work_over/

[fossil dock]

Calculate you Div\hour via analize your stash

POE Stack full of banner....

[lilac trail]

Ah ...I never used either. I did use Exile Diary, which is also mentioned in that thread. I thought it was no longer supported but maybe someone take it on an revived it

[fossil dock]

Exile Diary - looks dead to... 😦

[lilac trail]

Here's a question out of left field - would AutoHotKey (AHK) run via GPTK ? It might be possible to build something in that to replace Exilence.
I used this when I had a Windows system - https://github.com/Lailloken/Lailloken-UI

If this can be done then maybe an Exilence equivalent would be possible

[proud igloo]

Exilence (Next) leveraged the account stash API to look up what items you had in specific stash tabs and calculating the value by querying the Ninja API.

[fossil dock]

Right, and currently is still work if you have a copy, but without updates everything may stop working at any moment

[chilly anvil]

Highly unlikely. AHK depends heavily on some rather Windows-specific programming interfaces

[fossil dock]

AHK every time looks like cheating program

[lilac trail]

I'm shocked to hear that 😏

[lilac trail]

Thxs !

[junior escarp]

We can take this to dms and you can help me tru screen share

[junior escarp]

stand alone

but i also have steam

[lilac trail]

Send a screenshot of the folder where Path of Exile is supposed to be (the Stand alone version)

Also go to “About this Mac” - what macOS does it show

[lilac trail]

macOS version is fine, though there is an update available that will take you to 13.5

[lilac trail]

Where is Path of Exile installed on your system this folder should not be entirely blank for the Stand alone client

[junior escarp]

im getting really confused

[junior escarp]

u mean this?

[lilac trail]

It should look something like this

[lilac trail]

If you right click the POE above and select get info what does it show on the "Where" line

It should look like Macintosh HD - Users - username - Library - Application Support - Path of Exile

[junior escarp]

there's no "library"

[lilac trail]

The Library directory is a hidden folder. You don't see it by default in Finder. To see it you need to open Finder and press command+shift+. (yes a dot)

[junior escarp]

ohhhh

[lilac trail]

Yeah - it's not well known

[lilac trail]

Bingo - see that Path of Exile.app! - delete it

[junior escarp]

now what

[lilac trail]

I assume you have a Path of Exile icon on your taks bar ?

[junior escarp]

nope

[lilac trail]

How were you starting the game ?

[junior escarp]

in applications

[lilac trail]

Si in Applications there is a Path of Exile icon - drag it to the task bar

[junior escarp]

there

[lilac trail]

Perfect - now click on that game icon - that should start the game and kick off the patch download correctly

[lilac trail]

Is that Path of Exile an old install or something to do with Steam ? It shouldn't be there. I'd remove it to avoid any confusion unless it's part of a Steam install but since you have the Standalone client installed you should not need the POE install of Steam either

[junior escarp]

its the stand alone client if your talking about the 4th icon its albion

and i added the poe just right now to the task bar

[lilac trail]

No - I'm asking about the Path of Exile under the Application folder you showed me. That can't be the standalone install. It doesn't install there by default.
Is the update now working ?

[junior escarp]

idk bout it but i can open the game now

[lilac trail]

It must have updated or you would have got the same error message. I assume you no longer get the error message you reported earlier today

[junior escarp]

uhh huh

[lilac trail]

So your issue is now fixed and you can play the game again 👍
Sadly each time GGG release a patch you will have to remove the file you just did, then start the game again. It should update to the latest patch.

Alternatively, you can install GPTKV1.0.0+xcode 14 (it's probably already installed) and run the Windows client. You can run GPTK on Ventura 13.4.1 and higher. You do NOT need to upgrade to Sonoma. There is a step-by-step guide on how to set up POE using GPTK in the pinned message.

[junior escarp]

okok ty

[wide marten]

when play very juice map, still kind of lagy

not as smooth as before 6gb patch

playing with GPTK

[lilac trail]

That can happen on even the best of Windows systems. GGG don't seem to be able to optimise the game play at those levels, which I find weird. Why create the possibility if it can't run all that well 🤨

[valid heath]

That possibility is what is beautiful about PoE and lot's of sandbox games deal with this issue

Factorio would be good example

It's insanely well optimized game but there always will be a point where your factory will outgrow your hardware

When they finally sort out this patch it could be a massive deal for juce content as they finally moved particle effects from CPU which was always PoE problem to GPU

[lilac trail]

I think they are done with the patch just released. There will be more. Hopefully they won’t be as much of a clusterf$&@ as the last one was but this is GGG so expect more hiccups. It will be interesting to see who manages players now that Bex is no longer there.

[proud igloo]

They've built up a community team over years now.

[lilac trail]

Yes but the face of that team has always been overwhelmingly Bex.

[wide marten]

game porting toolkit can crash in super juice maps 😛

[wide marten]

anyone know the cache position on mac

[royal monolith]

I caved and bought a pc.

[lilac trail]

See this message - #mac-os🍎 message
There's a whole bunch of cache files in there. Might have to remove 'em all

[wide marten]

even i delete cache, and play for a while, still laggy 😄

ggg pls fix it asap

[valid heath]

Deleting the cache will make it laggy until it gets rebuild

[lilac trail]

I found a cache folder yesterday in the Hideouts folder, which seems weird. I don't know if I copied it there or it's there by default. Might be another one to trash. As @valid heath says - if you delete the files than the game will gag even worse till they are rebuilt. The link I sent was from someone who was trying to remedy those crappy graphic glitches. Removing those daily might help with that, not sure. I haven't used the Mac client in over 6 months now. Don't wait for GGG to do anything. It's not going t ohappen for the Mac client. TBF I don't think they fix anything on the Windows side anymore either, unless it prevents playing the game altogether. I'll stop there before I go on a rant about GGG mgmt (or the lack off). It's time to (sadly) find something else to play. I was hoping D4 would be it but it's not. Maybe BG3 when they finally release the Mac client. I'm certainly not giving any more money to GGG (so much for not ranting 🤣 ).

[wide marten]

maybe i need a pc

[lilac trail]

Noooo …don’t give in to such evil urges 🤣

[weak pollen]

can you use geforce now?

I remember some@dud played apex on 120? fps on some macbook from 2011

[lilac trail]

As long as it’s in your Steam library you should be able to. Don’t use Steam so can’t confirm. There is a free tier of GFN so someone could test that.

[plucky swallow]

yeah, i’ve played few leagues through gfn, pretty much workable solution even on free tier

but if only mac mini could output 1440p@120 1% low fps on heavy maps

[royal monolith]

It is a big hole in the pocket but I was already planning to get one for a while and the frustration with troubleshooting PoE and then being able to play but have it crash every few areas was the last straw.

[sand moon]

Does the game run well on MacBook Air M2?

[somber oyster]

It is native

low fps but runs

[lilac trail]

I hear ya but PC’s have issues as well, especially in heavily juiced maps. POE is just not very well optimised after a certain point. If you go that route I hope it works out better than the native Mac client 🤞

Via GPTK isn’t all that bad, at least for me.

[fossil dock]

I clone latest master of APT, add arm64 as default target for build. Got app, manually re-add it to "Accessibility" but APT don't connect to POE that runs under GPTK...

[rain cloud]

Runs pretty well on M1, so yeah M2 should be alright

[wide marten]

Anyone know how to open poe smoother via game porting toolkit

when I run poesmoother.exe, it can't open, and no msg hint

[fossil dock]

Look like some sort of cheating

[wide marten]

it remove some environment effect like light, shadow, don't think it is cheating

just want to make poe more smooth

[fossil dock]

It's just bannebale because break ToS

[proud igloo]

Can't help you there, it's one of the tools and techniques that is very directly forbidden by the ToU (7b among others), and there's a history of people actually getting banned for it.

[wide marten]

wdym ToS

[proud igloo]

7. Restrictions: Under no circumstances, without the prior written approval of Grinding Gear Games, may you:
   b. Modify or adapt (including through third parties and third-party tools) the game client or its data, other than in the normal course of PoE gameplay as permitted in accordance with the Licence.

Modifying game files is one of the slam-dunk "yeah, no, really don't do that" cases of Terms of Service violations.

Regardless of the intent, it's not allowed and given that there were some high profile bans for it, it's something that I wouldn't recommend doing regardless of opinion on it.

[wide marten]

ok

hope they fix laggy new league

otherwise i have to use poe smoother

not playable

[lilac trail]

Stands for “Terms of Service”. Contravene one of them AND get caught by GGG anti-cheat mechanisms and your account will be forfeited, along with any mtx and other stuff you have associated with it.

[lilac trail]

What isn’t playable - fully juiced maps (which struggle even on high end Windows rigs), Simulcrum or is it “normal” POE activities like a T16 or Delve, Betrayal, Heist, Bestiary, Uber fights, Incursion and so on ? It’s working fine for me

[wide marten]

yea juce maps

i am a magic finding player

now i can't do juice maps 😄

[lilac trail]

That makes sense. What does your fps drop to in fully juiced maps ? Never played an MF character. I thought GGG made them virtually extinct with the poor drops a few leagues back (can’t remember which one, maybe the first with AN in it). I remember Empy and crew quitting because of it.

[wide marten]

in super juice maps, the fps is only 10+

and GPTK often crash doing legion and breath

[fossil dock]

geforcenow is your friend

[lilac trail]

That’s nasty ! As Gordon says GFN is an option. They have a free tier offering. I’m not sure you can use 3rd party apps with it though.

[lilac trail]

One happy customer regarding POE on GPTK - #1136433830060892272 message

Likely not running heavily juiced maps but maybe they are.

[wide marten]

i can't access that

[lilac trail]

Did you sign up for that discord channel ? Not sure you can see it if not a member. It’s in the reports channel if you are a member.

[quartz dust]

hey, anyone play poe with apple m2 chip on board?

i have macbook air with m2 chip and wonder how good/bad situation is

[lilac trail]

Have you searched the thread. I know people have run it on an M1 Air. What method are you looking to use - the native client (which I would not recommend) or via GPTK ?

[quartz dust]

Ig native client

I’ve not actually read it, there’re a lot of messages:)

[proud igloo]

The link is fairly nondescript if you don't know about the channel:

[lilac trail]

Interesting. Unfortunately they don’t allow anyone to pass the invite along. There is an invite link on the applegamingwiki.com site

[lilac trail]

There are a lot of messages. A rather generic search of all channels found this reference - #mac-os🍎 message

[copper rose]

Feel free to send me the link and a description, I can post and pin it if it's useful for macos players

[dry geode]

Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to install path of building (POB) on macOS?

[fossil dock]

wineskin for me is simplest, because in result you can update PoB and don't wait until someone update unofficial build for mac

[dry geode]

Ok thank you. Is it free?

[fossil dock]

Yes

[lilac trail]

portingkit is also an option to run the Windows version of POB. Also free. Difference is portingkit is GUI based. Either is good

[opal marsh]

Please don't post discord invites

[lilac trail]

I tried to post the invite link for you but a bot gobbled it. I guess pin the web address and players can go grab the link from there. The website is handy for Macos players as it has a list of games that can run using multiple tools (GPTK, Crossover and so on).

Here’s the link applegamingwiki.com

[dry geode]

Ok

[crimson quarry]

So does anyone else need to delete and redownload POE with each update or is there a way around this?

[proud igloo]

There's a workaround of sorts in the pinned messages.

[crimson quarry]

Great, worked! Thanks, wish I found this sooner than deleting and redownloading it 2/3 times last league.

Just wondering what your guys settings are, I'm trying to run it as smooth as possible without it heating up too much. I'm on a M1Pro

[atomic herald]

i am ingame

[lilac trail]

R U running native client or via a VM or via GPTK ? What are your system specs. M1Pro doesn’t really indicate your RAM. The more you have the better regardless of which method you’re using.

[wide marten]

GGG says they will release a new patch toward the engine problem

when will they release

[crimson quarry]

I'm running native client, while looking up information about POE performance through GPTK, all I found was that the performance wasn't that much greater, but it used DX12 instead of Vulkan. And that I'd have to use the beta version of Sonoma, so if anything, if performance is greater, I'll probably switch it once they have the stable build of Sonoma out.

I have 16GB of RAM, nothing's particularly maxed out when checking POE in-game graphs. It just runs hot sometimes.

[wide marten]

i don't they GPTK is better than naive one

but GPTK can be useful in some cases like delving

[lilac trail]

You might want to look at the pinned message about running POE using GPTK. You do not need to be running Sonoma to do so.
There is also a recent post in the Apple Gaming Wiki discord channel - reports section under POE. Someone had over 100fps, something you can’t achieve with the native client. You can find the discord channel invite over at applegamingwiki.com
The other advantage of running via GPTK is that it appears to not have the same graphics bugs as the MacOS client does, or at least not as much.

16GB RAM is good. POE will cause your system to run hot regardless of how much memory or cpu you have (I have an M1 Max with 64GB RAM and the native client takes my temperature in to 80+c and that isn’t even juiced maps). The game has far too much action onscreen for the engine to handle. The game just isn’t well optimized after a certain point. The CPU is doing most of the work instead of the GPU, something I think GGG are attempting to address with their recent graphics engine updates (that broke more than it fixed). You could try running everything at lowest settings or turn some effects off like screen shake, ultimatum effects and so that aren’t really necessary but I don’t think that will make much of a difference. I’ll look at what the temperature is when running POE via GPTK. It won’t be worse. Might even be a little cooler.

[wide marten]

@lilac trail can u give me the link of that post

[wide marten]

@lilac trail i join in Apple Gaming Wiki discord channel , but where reports section under POE

[lilac trail]

Go to reports. It’s the second one after support

POE is the 5th entry in reports title “POE Up and running perfectly”

https://discord.com/channels/793156450821865513/1136433830060892272

[wide marten]

there is no report entry

why i have only rules and support

[lilac trail]

I think you are missing extra steps of enrolment. I don’t recall the exact steps. Once completed though you should get the same list I have. There is also a 10 minute freeze before you can make comments

[wide marten]

ok thanks

lol after update poe today i can't open the game

[lilac trail]

Click on browse channels. Select all the channels you are interested in. reports should be one of them.

[wide marten]

wtf that

[lilac trail]

in GPTK ?

[wide marten]

can u run poe after today's update

no

naive client

[lilac trail]

Whoa …I’ll check in the morning.

[crimson quarry]

For the AppleGamingWiki, click rules and accept the rules to open the rest of the servers. I was able to run the native client just fine after today's update.

[wide marten]

i just test poe via GPTK

seems become smooth after this update

but my naive poe client is broken

i am redownload and test soon

[lilac trail]

Can you see the reports section in the Apple gaming wiki discord now ?

[wide marten]

yea

but i can't reach 100 fps

in hideout around 60 to 80

all settings lowest

this is the setting

any suggestions to boost fps?

[wide marten]

the naive client is a little better

but still, laggy

[fossil dock]

Enable dynamic culling

[wide marten]

ok let me try

wut's the best target framerate

60?

[fossil dock]

I think - yes, 60 is best AVG FPS

[wide marten]

i think no big difference

when doing legion, fps is only 10+ or 20+

[fossil dock]

5-way ?

[wide marten]

nope

in map legion encounter

i am using m1 max macbookpro 32GB

u can try to doing legions

it seems the dynamic culling has no effect

idk why

[fossil dock]

I have some hardvare as yours, and record screen whyle open T16 legion without atlas passives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9DuqMaP3gU

[wide marten]

yea similar to me

the fps can drop to 10+ or 20+

[fossil dock]

Yes... previously game work better

[wide marten]

yes, the naive client before 6gb engine patch is very smooth doing legion and very juice maps

[proud igloo]

I'd like to remind people that if there's a preload torrent, it still won't work on macOS Standalone - as the GGPK format fundamentally differs on the platform.

If you're running the Standalone client via emulation/VMs, the torrent GGPK can be used and you should mostly just remember to not copy the file into place until the patch is up, otherwise the patcher will remove all the new content in the file.
If you're running Steam from any platform, it doesn't use GGPKs at all.

[crimson quarry]

While trying to reinstall GPTK, the terminal outputted
/private/tmp/game-porting-toolkit-20230816-3302-19jhz36/wine/configure --pre
==> make

Do I just continue waiting for it to reinstall or did something mess up?

[proud igloo]

If it's compiling the software from scratch, it may very well take a good while.

I see peeps online mention that it can take like an hour to build.

If you're curious about what it's doing, you could look in a process manager like top for what's running.

[crimson quarry]

I'm having problems with this line of code "% cd ~/Games-prefix/drive_c/Program\ Files\ (x86)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/Path\ of\ Exile" even though I can clearly see the files in finder and the pathing should be right, I'm returning "zsh: no matches found:"

[proud igloo]

Haven't seen that particular one, but you need to escape the parenthesis around x86.

(I would personally quote it differently, like cd ~/'foo (x86)' to avoid all the escapes)

[crimson quarry]

Sorry, not really understanding since I don't actually know any coding irl.

This is what I entered in terminal...
cd ~/Games-prefix/drive_c/Program\ Files\ x86/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/Path\ of\ Exile

And this is what it outputted...
cd: no such file or directory: /Games-prefix/drive_c/Program Files x86/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile

This is what the pathname that I copied from finder reads as...
/Games-prefix/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile

I have tried it both with and without the ( ) around x86 and it's unable to find it still.

[proud igloo]

Some characters have special meaning to the shell.
A space separates arguments. A group of parentheses like (x86) has special meaning in file matching.

If you want to specify a path with spaces in it, you need to escape each space with a backslash \ to make it interpret it as a literal space. Similarly you need to escape the open and close parentheses ( and ) with backslashes.

The way to inhibit all these mechanisms for a whole part of an argument is that you can enclose the string in single quotes '.

In this case:
cd ~/Games-prefix/drive_c/'Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile' or even
cd ~'/Games-prefix/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile'.

The ~ for the home directory needs to be outside of the quotes as otherwise it'd be interpreted as a literal ~ character.

(sorry, left the escapes in by accident, edited)

[crimson quarry]

I think I see..., I have tried your code and it seemed to have worked. However, just to see if I understood it correct, if it was the original code, for it to escape the (x86), would it be something like this then? cd ~/Games-prefix/drive_c/Program\Files\(x86)\/Grinding\Gear\Games/Path\of\Exile

[proud igloo]

Almost. You seem to have lost all your spaces.

Each backslash alters the meaning of the character immediately following it, here spaces and open/close parens.

Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/Path\ of\ Exile
        ^      ^ ^    ^          ^     ^           ^   ^

[crimson quarry]

Thanks!

Working, installing now

[lilac trail]

I’m late to the party here but in the pinned examples x86 has brackets on both sides. The pathname won’t work without these as you discovered. It looks like discord may have changed some of the slashes required in the pinned messages which is annoying. I’ll try to fix that so no-one else runs into the same issue.

[crimson quarry]

I'm running DX11 since DX12 since to drop me to 40 FPS. I'm also unable to turn of VSync without it crashing. Is the workaround just editing it directly in the config.ini file?

[fossil dock]

DX11 look's much worse via GPTK 1.0.0 and much harder use CPU...

[sonic linden]

Has the game always run this badly on native mac? I haven’t tried it before that big engine change near end of july. What was it like before?

[lilac trail]

Is this in the native client or GPTK ? It’s getting confusing in here 😜

[lilac trail]

No, at least not for me. Issues, such as the graphics going haywire started around 3.17.4
It has been bad ever since. I am unsure whether GGG lack the skills to address them or they don’t give a rat’s arse. Could be either of both. Their code base is spaghetti according to CW himself. That always presents challenges. They are always blowing stuff up because they don’t seem to test it properly, on any platform. I highly doubt they have anyone to work on the MacOS platform. The trading site gets more resources than the MacOS and that gets half a day a month. I’ve given up caring just as GGG seem to have towards us 🙁 (unless your a whale).

[sonic linden]

Dang that’s a shame. Well, i guess my only hope now is linux working well with my steam deck. Thanks for the info!

[crimson quarry]

GPTK POE. I was able to use DX12 with ~60 FPS once I turned off VSYNC via the config.ini. I still can’t get anything over 60 though. Is it still supposed to say N/A under GPU for the in-game performance metrics? I thought it would show something signifying that it was pulling some from the GPU cores with DX12 switch.

[crimson quarry]

Native Mac POE works fine for me too, but I do get glitching effects sometimes. Most of the time during expedition making it impossible to see remnants, etc. but that was fixed with relogging. I just heard that 100 FPS was possible on GPTK POE

[sonic linden]

Native Mac POE works well for you? I’ve got an M1 pro 16gb and I lowered the settings and am getting very stuttery performance

Are there any popular videos for setting up POE with GPTK?

[crimson quarry]

Works fine for me, locked at 60. There’s a GPTK guide pinned.

[lilac trail]

Yes. A player posted their FPS stats in the reports section of the Apple Gaming wiki discord channel. You can find the invite to that discord on the Apple Gaming wiki website.

[lilac trail]

Can you also adjust the triple buffering option. Last time I played using GPTK I could not change it at all.

[crimson quarry]

Triple buffering works without crashing for me. VSYNC was the only thing I couldn’t change without crashing

[lilac trail]

Yes it works. I think the issue was I could not change it. Can you change it in options ? I don’t believe you can turn it off (dropping back may improve performance).

[spice berry]

so guys how to update PoB on mac os ?

[lilac trail]

Run the Windows version via portingkit. Ditch the native port altogether.

[wide marten]

@crimson quarry you play naive mac client and got lock 60 fps?

[spice berry]

huh , too much info i dont know

[lilac trail]

Download portingkit from portingkit.com.
Install Windows version of POB in it.

[lilac trail]

The Mac client is capped at 60fps but he is talking about the GPTK version which is not capped.

[wide marten]

idk why they cap the fps

so stupid

[lilac trail]

Is a WTF. @ebon rivet posted these articles which might be of interest. The TLDR is some developers find it too hard to get the right parameters so they end up going with the simplest default they can find (easiest) which in GGG’s case just happens to be the equivalent of 60fps. It’s not an accident. They must be aware of it - #mac-os🍎 message

zao tried patching the value by hand but it didn’t change. Not sure why. Just theory but could be the parameter is also used elsewhere and is overriding the MoltenVK setting. Their code is worse than spaghetti 😁

[crimson quarry]

I’ve locked both the Native and GPTK at 60 FPS since it seems like I can’t get anymore than that. I’ve read that by locking it, you won’t be expending excess cpu resources towards unattainable FPS (since GGG caps it) resulting in smoother performance. For me at lease, even if I cap it at 120 FPS, on GPTK, it’s not showing greater than 60 FPS.

[wide marten]

@GCP can u show ur setting pannel

does lock on 60 fps benifit overall performance on GGPK?

[lilac trail]

@ebon rivet - how do I make it so that the slashes in the path show up as they should for the unix commands. Although the path is shown correctly when you go to the sections with the full path the \ is grayed out so at a quick glance it looks like the \ is missing. This is why GCP was having trouble following the guide yesterday.

[proud igloo]

You mean the section that goes like this?

For single-line commands or in-line "code" formatting you can surround them in a single backtick to have delineated as code and not have any formatting inside.
For multi-line stuff you should use triple backticks.

Run the following command to have Path of Exile perform a full install

gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG ~/Games/GGG/drive_c/Program\ Files\ (x86)/Grinding\ Gear\ Games/\Path\ of\ Exile/PathofExile.exe
OR
gameportingtoolkit ~/Games/GGG "C:\Program Files (x86)\Grinding Gear Games\Path of Exile\PathOfExile.exe"

(note that the above syntax is copied directly from yours and incorrect, the parentheses around x86 ought to be escaped too)

[lilac trail]

The single tick is what keeps the forward slashes around the x86 path name in the Unix command 👍 I used those but had them in the wrong place. The correct paths should now be showing everywhere.

I think the syntax around the C:\ path name with the x86 was always correct as is, just the Unix one was not right. I tested both before I included them in the note. They both worked at the time because I wasn’t relying on reddit formatting.

The code with the triple tick was always correct. I’ll have to be more careful in future. Thxs for the formatting tips !

[proud igloo]

There's a lot of punctuation marks around here, both Discord and shell that can get confusing.
Discord has single and triple backticks for inline and block code.
Shell also uses single backticks for running a command and putting the output of it in a command line:

ls `fetch-id foo`.json
# or alternatively for better readability:
ls $(fetch-id foo).json

In the shell, apostrophes/single-quotes (') and double-quotes (") both serve to keep a single argument together when there's spaces in it, but a single-quote inhibits more special characters and variable expansion, interpreting the things inside more literally.
In instructions like these, unless you intentionally want to expand something like a ~ or an environment variable like $POEDIR or ${POEDIR} inside, I recommend using single-quotes consistently. For things that start with ~ you can quote the parts of the path that should be as-is but keep the ~ outside, like ~'/foo bar/baz (qux)/'.

[autumn pewter]

I hope GFN doesnt have the same patching problems as last league launch

[spice berry]

hi , guys anyone have an idea about how to use portkit ?

is it possible to download awakened poe trade on mac os ?

[wide marten]

has anyone try poe on parallel desktop

@spice berry u can open awakened poe trade on mac os, it works with poe on GPTK

[spice berry]

what is GPTK ?

[wide marten]

game porting toolkit

[spice berry]

same way as PoB ?

[wide marten]

Check pinned msg, there is guide to install poe on gptk

[spice berry]

ty ❤️

[lilac trail]

I have POE installed on Parallels and VMWARE. Don’t use either of them for POE. Performance is horrible to say the least

I only have them running on those platforms for scientific research with other tools that only work on Windows (an AHK script)

Of the 2 the latest technical release of VMWARE Fusion player runs POE slightly better. This is probably because VMWARE now has full 3D hardware acceleration support.

On a related note - if you want to try VMWARE for yourself, it’s free for personal use. Grab it from here - https://customerconnect.vmware.com/downloads/get-download?downloadGroup=FUS-TP2023

Follow this guide to install it on Apple Silicon (it includes how to get a copy of Windows, setup networking correctly and setup VMTOOLS to set proper display resolutions) - https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/14/how-to-install-windows-11-apple-silicon-mac-free-vmware-fusion-player-13-video/

I prefer it to Parallels because VMWARE does not limit how many CPU’s or the amount of RAM you can assign to a virtual machine, unlike Parallels base version (the Pro version removes that limit but it’s even more expensive then the base product and is a yearly cost).

[fossil dock]

I believe that in some near future GGG release DX12 build of PoE builded with GPTK...

[wide marten]

i hope they can fix graphic laggy in the release of 3.22 in 4 hours

[fossil dock]

it's possible... but....

[sonic linden]

Yeah didn’t they say they’re dropping a patch with league start that should have improvements to the engine?

[lilac trail]

OMG - seriously. Leagues have enough issues and the last engine patch did not go well. I really wonder why GGG put themselves in this position time and time again 🤷🏼‍♂️🤔

[proud igloo]

Yep, more tech around launch.

Made some small engine improvements. Further improvements will be made in 3.22.0.

[crimson quarry]

Is there a program similar to XMouseButtonControl for mac where I can macro the scroll wheel for left-clicking?

[wide marten]

has anyone play the game

is the laggy better now？

[lilac trail]

Given it’s only been open for 10 minutes and no-one get to maps, let along juiced maps in that time it would be a little hard to say at this point.

[wide marten]

there is a significant laggy in acts if they don't fix it

if you play naive client

[lilac trail]

Oh really - that’s nasty. I also forgot that some people don’t play leagues and you can test fully juiced maps in standard now to see how performance is.

[proud igloo]

There's Standard, you know 😉

[wide marten]

can someone test， i can't play now

[lilac trail]

Yeah - which ironically - is the only place I play 🤦‍♂️

[lilac trail]

Maybe later. I can't right now. The update process was pretty smooth and I logged in just now without an issue

[proud igloo]

I don't remember how I reboot my M1 into macOS again.

The game runs like butts anyway on the minspec machine, so no point in trying.

[sonic linden]

you loaded windows onto your machine? How does it run

[proud igloo]

Asahi Linux, actually.

[lilac trail]

If you have an M1 you would hold down the power button till startup options appear. That’s assuming you installed Linux on it’s own partition.

[wide marten]

when i update it always report error

[proud igloo]

Yeah, I just can't be arsed connecting keyboard/mouse/monitor and move my chair a meter to the right 😄

[lilac trail]

I have those days too !

[wide marten]

anyone can play naive mac client now?

be able to play with GPTK

[lilac trail]

Does that extra info come from the game or a GPTK setting (the stuff on left hand side)

[wide marten]

wdym

[proud igloo]

The stuff in chat is statistics about the current loot filter, maybe a synced one.

[lilac trail]

Your screenshot has Name, Last update and version. That’s not something I’ve seen in POE before

[wide marten]

naive mac client is broken now

can't update

[lilac trail]

I updated the native app ok. What message are you getting ?

[lilac trail]

This is after the update when you try to run the game ?

[wide marten]

the update only 50mb

it can't connect to update

[lilac trail]

Weird. Didn’t happen for me. Try deleting the Path of Exile file as per the pinned instructions and then kick off the update maybe 🤷🏼‍♂️

[wide marten]

after deleting it works

[lilac trail]

Excellent

[wide marten]

will test naive mac client soon

[lilac trail]

I would test now I'm home but I'd have to go reset stuff because I play in Standard and I don't have the energy to do so right now. It's been over an hour since the league launched. iS rEDDIT ON FIRE WITH COMPLAINTS YET ?

[proud igloo]

Too busy having fun and misunderstanding datamined items.

[lilac trail]

Oh but there is a good one. Apparently if you log out in the league while you are dead, you're dead permanently 😏 Weird stuff happening to guilds. They completely disappear

[sonic linden]

Hows the performance looking

[wide marten]

my mac client is broken again

if I close it

[wide marten]

@stable aurora they don't fix the performance issue

still laggy

[fossil dock]

can't get awakened poe trade work with GPTK 😦

[wide marten]

i am playing naive mac client

it is playable

[fossil dock]

For me native client have -10-15 FPS in some map

[lilac trail]

Hey @wide marten - can you write a step by step on how to setup Awakened POE when using GPTK. I know you created a new APT and attached it in this thread but I’m still not clear on how to set it all up. You can DM me and we can sort it out rather than clutter things up here first. Then we can make a pinned message. Thxs !

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail Maybe an article in the "Guide" namespace on the wiki could be a good idea, I see that there's already one for running PoE (2.2) with Wine: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Guide:Path_of_Exile_on_Wine

Guides are more subjective narrow articles on things that don't fit into the normal factual objective type of article on the main namespace: https://www.poewiki.net/wiki/Path_of_Exile_Wiki:Guides

I was going to suggest to collaborate in something like a GitHub wiki at first, but we have a proper wiki for the game and should use it 😄

[lilac trail]

I would do that but every time I've reached out I've received zero response. There are items on other pages of the wkik I have information to provide updates on (like the Rogues page for example). Some of the pinned posts here would probably be useful on the wiki as well. I tried via the discord channel too and get radio silence 🤷‍♂️ Hence why I usually come here and make contributions (if you can call them that). If you have access to make changes or know someone who would get back to me on contributing I'd be happy to work with them.

For Awakened POE once we have a "build" guide maybe also post it in the official forum link too.

[proud igloo]

Anyone can make an account and edit things, just adhere to the style and don't break things too much.

The threshold for a Guide is definitely lower than the regular namespace.

The big stumbling block in the main namespace tends to be that a lot of things people wish to update are data-driven from mining and are hard to manually fix-up.

[lilac trail]

I did make an account a while ago. I can make my own updates on the wiki with no restrictions ? If all I need to do is add text I'm good. If I have to use some programs are do some fancy technical stuff then that isn't really an option. I can give it a try though

[lilac trail]

Yeah - which I think is why I did not attempt anything before. I don't know if the Rogue Exile information I have is data driven via data mining. I assume you could find it in the ggpk. Is the data updates driven by a scheduled progrsm or by someone who has set up the queries to execute as required ? That I can't do but text updates I could. I also have screenshots to go wit hthe documentation to prove they are false information. Is it possible to upload those too and would it all get overwritten by an auto update program ?

[proud igloo]

The mining is done with a standalone tool PyPoE that has some export modules that essentially produce the content for the infobox in the corner of articles, which feeds into the underlying database that is used to build tables of stuff.

The tool has to be updated if the structure of the data changes and it's a very manual process. There's no scheduled export runs currently as there's very seldom new data without breakages.

If there's an error in data-driven data, the source of the data has to be fixed up, but sometimes we're not aware of anything being off - there's not remotely enough editors and developers to patrol for inaccurate and old stuff.

Screenshots and clips are mostly desired for things like card drop locations, bringing a bit more credence than mere hearsay or misunderstandings of where things drop.

[wide marten]

naive client still laggy in juice maps 😄

even in t11

[wide marten]

even in GPTK, the fps is still noisying

[fossil dock]

I found what wrong with local version awakened poe trade - main reason is Alt key to show adwanced mods on item is Cmd key when run in GRPT - as result copy item with adwanced mod description is Cmd, Cmd + C key sequence that reduced to Cmd + C

[wide marten]

yea

i change highlight key to c

[fossil dock]

I think when work week start I write full instruction....

[wide marten]

it seems cpu is the bottleneck

idk why

[valid heath]

The last engine patch made the CPU load 2x or 3x as it was before ( at least on windows )

And M1/M2 not being the best for gaming probably does not help

[wide marten]

what they do lol

make cpu load 2x or 3x

if someone know what they do, may be we can think some solutions

[valid heath]

They moved particles and effects rendering from CPU to GPU

but somehow it sh**s on CPU

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[valid heath]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3406424

[proud igloo]

There's plenty of engine changes sneaking in with that update, not just particle stuff.

[lilac trail]

I like the part where they say it might improve or it might make performance worse 🤷🏼‍♂️

[proud igloo]

Game performance across end-user computers is the deepest wizardry.

It'd be interesting to see their metrics and reasoning for clamping VRAM to around 3 GiB for example.

Is it a sweet spot to avoid starving out and competing with other processes on the system across most computers? Is it a good amount to avoid pulling too much in at once, relying on snappy just-in-time loads when you need them?

Probably could use a bit more resident and some elements not quite so slippery - had this lovely gem when trying to level in A3 Sarn the other day where people in the background having MTX forced my passive skill tree out of VRAM: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/424932531763412992/1142844911746555995/Path_of_Exile_2023-08-20_02-43-32.mp4

(proper Windows, DX12 IIRC)

It'll probably get better, but given the amount of change they did here, I'm surprised it runs as well as it does.

[lilac trail]

I haven’t seen Reddit in flames about the changes. A few complaints here and there but nothing in comparison to other graphics changes they’ve made in the past.

[valid heath]

Yeah its weird, especially that it was limited to 70% of 8GB before

My 5900x is struggling hard in PoE atm

[sonic linden]

why don’t they just roll back the changes to what they were before?

[valid heath]

Well technicaly moving particles from CPU to GPU should be WAY better in terms of performance

1. PoE is and was CPU bound game

2. GPUs are just better at doing particles

[proud igloo]

That won't help figure out how to get these engine changes working smoothly on player computers, and depending on how much work they've got in the pipeline built on top of new renderer features - untenable.

The patch does way more than just support the GPU particle sim.

[lilac trail]

Because GGG are never wrong. These changes aren’t really for POE classic. They’re all about prepping for POE 2. This has been a long time coming. GGG are slow to adopt current technology (it took them years to adopt DX12 and Vulcan despite it being around for years). What is becoming more apparent is that people who used to be able to run POE (and likely it’s successor) will be unable to run the game. That might seem elitist in some regards, but even I can see it’s not realistic for players to expect to be playing and be supported on a potato PC. It’s incredibly disappointing that they chosen to let the native Mac client die an ignoble death. They could just come out and say they aren’t supporting the Mac client anymore. At least that would be honest.

[fossil dock]

for example LE developers do exactly that - drop mac support. But anyway currently we have bootcamp or GPTK options to play. I play with GPTK 1.0.0 whole new season and it's work perfectly for me

[lilac trail]

I’ve used GPTK as well. I still update the Mac client for some weird reason 🤣

Geforce Now might be an option too, though with the particle changes it may not perform as well as it once did on anything but the top tier, which you have to pay for.

[wide marten]

almost every league i buy a league support pack for 60$

but this league i won't due to the stupid laggy

that is for u GGG

[proud igloo]

Learn Ghidra and fanpatch the engine 😉

[fossil dock]

I recommend to you run PackCheck.exe it's free 3gb from game package file for me. But to see progress bar you need some modification to gameportingtoolkit file: remove | grep "D3DM" from last line overvise you don;t see any progress or results, also grep must be removed to get Press Enter promt on the PackCheck.exe completion

[lilac trail]

I stopped buying anything from GGG almost 2 years ago. What did it for me was a supporter pack that had the chest where items were suppose to hover before going into the stash. It did that but the effect was ludicrously not what was portrayed in the video showcase. It was misleading at best. I had to contact support multiple times (they were good responding) before realising how microscopic the effect was. It was at that point I realised their marketing was A grade but their products were not (the cloak effect that sheds blood was cool though). Also - if I buy an MTX why is it I can’t use it on every character our HO. I actually have to remove from one to use it in another. I shouldn’t have to buy 6-7 copies of it. Then there is the fact that some MTX are still broken. If they were free then fair enough but people pay real money for them and they essentially get jack. So much for “ethical” micro transactions. That probably was true in 2012. Certainly not in 2023.

[lilac trail]

What would be the exact commands to run PackCheck.exe I’m to lazy to figure them out myself 😁

[crimson quarry]

Was anyone able to get Awakened POE working with GPTK? If so, guide me through the steps? Mine's like on and off, but can't search for affixes.

[south flame]

The native mac Path of Exile.app always crashes for me after trying to download an update. I still have a recent PathOfExileClient.app that launches and plays the game but I want the latest patched version

I can go ahead and delete all the locally stored files in the three locations and redownload

[lilac trail]

You want to follow this pinned message - #mac-os🍎 message

[south flame]

hmm, that's for a different symptom, an error message, not a crash, but I'll try it next time anyway

[wide marten]

@crimson quarry make sure u modify the config and log path of apt

then u can search for affix

[fossil dock]

also you need change default button to show full item description

[lilac trail]

The message may be different but this usually fixes the issue. Another player was having a similar issue the other day when patching would do the 50mb file them crash on the larger one. Once they removed the pre-existing file and started again the patch process worked correctly. It seems like the file gets corrupted for some reason.

[atomic herald]

i havent had any of that graphic crazy bugs lately, they seem fixed?

the ones that made some areas almost unplayable, where the area was totally hidden under some brown triangles, or stripes up from ground

but my studio got a bit warm now, so i take a little break to chill it

[crimson quarry]

Still having problems with APT, I have attached a video file showing the keystrokes and my settings.
Although in game, the keybind for "alt" is assigned to show advanced item descriptions, the actual key that I am pressing on the keyboard is "command". On APT, the "alt" keypress is bound to "option", I press "option + d", with the picture showing the readout that I am getting from pressing "option + d"

I have also adjusted the config.ini and client.txt paths and I'm still not getting any affix.
Log: /Users/<user>/Games-prefix/drive_c/'Program Files (x86)/Grinding Gear Games/Path of Exile'/logs/Client.txt
Config: /Users/<user>/Documents/'My Games/Path of Exile'/production_Config.ini
I'm unsure if the ' ' are needed to allow for the _ in between the arguments in this case, but I have tried it with both and still no affix.

[lilac trail]

Using the native Mac client ?

[proud igloo]

Quoting like that is a shell thing, separate applications and their settings are likely to use a different scheme or not need them in that way,

I recommend using single backticks when posting command lines and other things you want verbatim in Discord, to avoid it interpreting some of it as italic formatting.

[proud igloo]

Some people have reported that the handling of special keys is a bit wacky here and they had success by using an alphabetical key for their advanced mod descriptions.

I use F, for example.

See #mac-os🍎 message

[crimson quarry]

Hmmm, I was able to get it to work by chaniging the keybind for "show advanced descriptions" to "0". Thanks

[atomic herald]

yes, and i am still on Monterey (native is using mac program right?)

but just some hour ago it started with high latency, i dont get why, the latest patch that was not needed to patch... makes this?

usually i am on 37-43 and now around 200

on the aktivity center it looks like it is steam 🥴

i rebooted steam and it seems solved xD

hmm no, back to 200 latency now...

and down again... well, i guess my line is not stable atm

[lilac trail]

Yes. Monterey is the previous release to Ventura if I remember correctly. I think Monterey does not have the patch issue where you have to delete the POE file before you update, or do you also get that ?

[atomic herald]

exactly

i can just run it

i was waiting with updating, and when i saw u guys getting problems on this channel i refuse to update to ventura xD

now i have the latency back to normal, i guess it was just local stuff

[lilac trail]

Wise move not updating to Ventura. While there is a workaround it’s annoying that GGG can’t be bothered to fix it. Yes it’s an Apple update that broke it but if a similar thing happened on Windows I’m pretty sure it would be GGG patching it, not Microsoft …

[wide marten]

@atomic herald On monterey u don't have laggy problem?

ok let me try that

anyone else is on Monterey, do u feel laggy or not

[atomic herald]

i play slowly and not on high up maps

and yea, not much problems anylonger, not as it was some months ago

[wide marten]

that's intesting

try to test on maps

[night sequoia]

I downloaded POB for Mac but it says that the app needs to be signed before use. I’m on Ventura 3.14. Seems like a bit of a complicated process from what I’ve read - anyone else done it?

[lilac trail]

Download portingkit from portingkit.com
Then download the Windows version of POB and install it in portingkit. This works much better than the native Mac version.

[night sequoia]

Thanks Bob

[lilac trail]

NP. You have to make a custom wrapper. It’s not difficult to do 👍

[wary falcon]

i found gptk 1.0.4 has better performance

[fossil dock]

wow....

[south flame]

seems like the loading times are a lot longer today than yesterday

[wide marten]

@wary falcon how much better

i will try to update too

[wide marten]

i just test 1.0.4, it feels better than 1.0.3

[fossil dock]

To update I need Sonoma but I don't know how well it works with docker and other developer stuff...

[lilac trail]

You can create a separate partition to install Sonoma in. Then you can test away with impacting your primary partition. See the pinned message on setting up GPTK for the support article and where to get the Sonoma installer.

[jade steppe]

Is there a way to use pob on a mac? Or maybe something similar to it

[lilac trail]

Download portingkit from portingkit.com
Download the Windows version of the community fork of POB
Install POB in portingkit.
You will need to make a custom wrapper. There is an icon in the library for that.
Once installed you’ll be good to go.

For those who use GPTK AND Have HUD on, you can now toggle it and move it to somewhere else.

https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/160ofra/new_hud_options/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=22

[jade steppe]

Thanks Bob it works! Do you know if it works also with awakened poe?

[wide marten]

pob is very laggy on GPTK

how to solve it

[lilac trail]

Sadly Awakened does not work in portingkit or Crossover. If you search this thread you will find others have made it work using the Mac version but it requires some reconfiguration of the APT. You could give that a try too !

[lilac trail]

Don’t use GPTK. Just set it up in portingkit.

[wide marten]

portingkit no laggy?

[lilac trail]

Not for me.

[wide marten]

it say not sup my mac version 😄

i am waiting GGG to fix laggy

already farm a headhunter and going to do magic finding

[lilac trail]

Huh ? What version OS are you trying to run portingkit (the portingkit, not GPTK) ? It runs on both M series and Intel.

[fossil dock]

I found than on gptk 1.0.0 I have lag's some times

[fluid wagon]

Hey guys I am trying to help my friend to get PoE running on Mac, is it recommended to use the Client from the Website or the Steam version these days?

[lilac trail]

It should not matter. It’s a personal preference. I don’t use Steam so I used to run the standalone client. The mac version scatters files across the system more than the Windows version. The mac version also has graphics issues, though it is reported that some of these may have been fixed with the latest patch update. Also be aware that the mac client has an artifical fps cap of 60 fps. Most 3rd party apps don’t have a Mac port, or where they do, they work inconsistently. PoB and Awakened POE Trade both have ports. For PoB you are better off using the Windows version via portingkit. You can fiddle with Awakened on the Mac itself as others have done. It works once you have the correct configuration.

If you are feeling adventurous you can run POE using Apple’s new tool (GPTK). There is a 2 part pinned message how to do that. If you do that make sure you’ve done a backup first AND you put Sonoma on a separate partition (or just use Ventura).

[fluid wagon]

Thanks for much for the extensive answer Bob! I will be sure to relay that information to my friend. Seems the performance so far is quite a bit worse than on windows, but maybe that’s to be expected. Hugely appreciated, thanks again! 🙏

[lilac trail]

The performance should be ok with the Mac client. It's the bugs that are annoying and disappointing in the Mac based version. Windows of course has it's own set of issues but it gets more support given there are vastly more players using that platform. The awesome thing with a Mac is that you have choice. You can run the native apps (standlone or Steam) or the Windows version. You can't do that on Windows in the same way. With the advent of the Apple tool it's now even more flexible in which way you choose to go. Codeweaver (makers of Crossover) also now have rudimentary support for DX12 completely independant of Apple. Once that is fully fleshed out I expect Crossover will be another option for Mac users. Though it is not free I will support them. If it were not for them the Apple tool would still not exist. One last thing - don't attempt to run POE vis VM such as VMWARE (free) or Parallels. The performance hit with these makes the game unplayable.

[finite badger]

any idea why PoE is stuck in background process? no matter how long I'll leave it there, its not gonna change
this happens after clicking "launch"

[proud igloo]

You probably get better help by asking in a help channel that is for your operating system, or proper support.

[finite badger]

sorry ;p
someone once directed me here for such help and thought this place is suitable

support doesnt answer so im helpless in this
on the help channel, which one is it?

[proud igloo]

Not really sure after they renamed them to in-acts / post-acts / endgame.
Probably one of the generic discussion ones like #1┃general.

Try to reduce the amount of third party software you've got on your system that might hook the game like overlays and cosmetic stuff like RGB software.

I'd suggest looking at a stack trace but you're not going to be able to read one of those.

[finite badger]

yeah #1┃general
tried it 2 or 3 times and didnt work so
prob also gonna try other discs then

[lilac trail]

I’d submit a ticket in the official GGG forum. Technical help or otherwise. GGG won’t help. It’s not really their issue but someone in the forums generally will respond.

[finite badger]

I did so, and I think I didnt mish map anything
no response since (posted on 4 aug)

[lilac trail]

This isn't really a Windows channel, it's primarily for Mac users but based on your post in the forum the issue started when you updated your graphics card. You're going to have to go back to basics and troubleshoot one piece at a time. I doubt it is a Windows issue so I would not be reinstalling it or rebuilding your system. Roll back the changes you made. Put the old card back in and see if the issue persists. If it does you know it's something else. If it works with the old card then you know the problem is the new graphics card. Also make sure you have the latest graphics card driver updates for the new card installed. Install updates via the NVIDIA control centre. Is this the only game this happens for on your system ?

[frail gyro]

Hi guys, I just updated gptk 1.0.4, do i have to reinstall the game?

[wide marten]

no need

i update gptk from 1.0.3 to 1.0.4, the game can still run without any problem

[frail gyro]

okay, thank yhcao

[wide marten]

anyone have tried the hotfix 4 which improve performance

any better on mac naive client now?

i am at working now can't test, but very excited about that hotfix

[sweet beacon]

Yo, ty for this. The Mac port itself is more than frustrating sometimes, this helped tremendously

[void palm]

@atomic herald I'm getting my Mac Studio in soon. How is POE performing for you? Have you encountered any significant issues? I'm upgrading from my old iMac 2014, and believe it or not, I can play POE, although it gets wonky occasionally. Not sure if it's the same with the new M1/M2 Macs. Any insight from you or anyone else is appreciated. Thanks!

[atomic herald]

Well, i still use last years version of OS, Monterey, and i have also not on highest graphic, cause i have bad eyes, cant have too many effects going on, i am 58 years old and using reading glasses by my screen.
And imo it performs very well, comparing to the mac mini model 2014 i had earlier, oh my, i had to take down the performance to pixelated on that one...

Inbetween i get some pingspikes, but that is maybe the internet itself or during periods when the servers are crowded.

I guess you will get some problems with the ventura, that is not the mac hardware problem, and check the pinned stuff then. Or else i guess u will love your mac studio - and remember that u can use (almost) any pc-gaming stuff with it! I use pc-screen, pc gaming keyboard and pc gaming mouse, the mouse is not installed (cause no mac-installer) but works fine anyway. And i use one old imic (i think pc has versions of that one nowadays) for headset.

Well, i had this setup already on the mac-mini, no change for me there, but if u had imac, thats different.

[main jasper]

Hi, i played POE normally on Mac, but after 3.22.1 update, I got launcher update, fully download, then its close the launcher, open again, and show this prompt. How would I fixed this to play the games? Thanks

[proud igloo]

There's a pinned message on how to work around this long-standing patcher bug.

[main jasper]

ahh, thank you!

[valid heath]

Hmm https://www.maxon.net/en/downloads/cinebench-2024-downloads

I wonder what M2 Max/Ultra scores

[fossil dock]

I can't figure out - how to link items to chat when play via GPTK

[kind temple]

Hey there, were u able to get ur controller set up for mac? I've trying all sorts controllers and mapping wares, and none of them work proper...

[ruby juniper]

I am having this disk write error a few times, does anyone know how to resolve this, I can't get my update done 😢

I reinstalled poe twice in the past week wondering if it can be resolved without reinstalling

[lilac trail]

You’re going to have to post more information than this. Is this via Steam or the stand alone client. The immediate thought is there is corruption on disk. The other possibility is not enough disk space. I assume game is installed on an internal, not an external drive.

You could try one of the pinned solutions (one to completely remove POE and one related to an error when trying to patch) and see if those work.

[lilac trail]

Not sure what you mean - it won’t let you hyper-link an item in the trade window ?

[proud igloo]

The screenshot looks to be Steam.

[fossil dock]

I mean send item to in-game chat, show to guild or party chat

[proud igloo]

As the shortcut is normally Ctrl+Alt+Leftclick, those are the two most ambigious modifier keys you could get if you're half-Apple half-Windows.

[lilac trail]

I’ll test it when I can to see if I have the same issue today or tomorrow

[ornate sluice]

Apparently, PoE is working on Mojave again yay til now no graphic issues. But POB isn’t working at all. Not even launching. Does anyone know what’s going on?

[lilac trail]

The Mac version of PoB isn’t reliable. Install portingkit from portingkit.com and install the Windows version of PoB within that.

[ornate sluice]

Thx for the reply. Btw Can we run steam on portingkit or I will get banned from using it?

[lilac trail]

There are 6 wrappers in portingkit for Steam. You can also build your own. People also run Steam via Crossover and GPTK. I’ve no idea where you heard you’d get banned doing so. That’s an urban myth.

[lilac trail]

I just tested this. The command to put an item in chat is Command+Ctrl+Left click if you are running POE via GPTK.

I found that some other options don't work as they should even in a VM. I can run POE in a VMWARE Fusion player VM, sort of. I would not recommend it as a method to play. Anyhow - in the VM Ctrl+click to bring up a new instance did not work. I had to use Ctrl+Option+Click 🤨

I also noticed that performing updates in POE on the Sonoma beta OS platform does not throw the update error as it does in Ventura. You don't have to use the work around. This of course is because POE is running the Windows version via GPTK, so it thinks it's a Windows machine.
Another interesting thing is when running the update in the VM it throws an update error but if you restart the process it runs fine. I used to be able to run POE in a VM and actually play the game. Whatever changes GGG have made over the years, it got progressively worse. Now you can't play on a VM at all. It's worse than the native client by far. This does not happen for any other game I play. POE is a strange beast to put it kindly.

[fossil dock]

To make APT work I remap show all mod key to Ctrl as result link to chat is become broken

[lilac trail]

You could turn off APT while you aren't using it then flip it back on after you've finished. Clunky but workable.

[main jasper]

to be honest im really supprise the mb m2 pro (ventu), can play poe without getting hot, they hide the graphic details in the UI so I dont know what running behind. Meanwhile my pc (linux) at home with 1660 is sometimes cant event keeping up with juices maps.

[wide marten]

@main jasper Do u play the naive client? Do u feel laggy?

[obtuse crest]

is any way to use pob in macos?

[fossil dock]

Look on forum - native build with latest pob

[lilac trail]

I’d recommend not using the port made for Mac. It’s clunky at best. Download and install portingkit (portingkit.com) and install the Windows version of PoB in it. You can also use Crossover if you have a license.

[sand moon]

Thats sad that the game runs badly on macbook air m2 because ill play way more I hope they will release a native optimize version for the new macs

I can play on my Xbox series X but I feel like ill play way more on my macbook if I got better performance

[night sequoia]

Anyone got issues with awakened Poe? The overlay doesn’t work anymore and when I run it in the browser it only pastes in the base item and not the mods. I’ve downloaded the latest version but it doesn’t seem to fix it

[lilac trail]

If I recall you can try to compile it for your system and see if that works (never did for me). Suggest you log a ticket in the APOE thread on the official GGG forum for the Mac version. Either the author or someone on that thread might notice it and suggest how (if possible) to resolve.

[fossil dock]

What version of Poe you run?

[night sequoia]

The latest version from steam

[proud igloo]

There's quite a few ways on macOS lately, both the first party macOS two from GGG and also the Windows ones in various porting kits and VMs.

[neon musk]

Awakened Poe?

[lilac trail]

POE is running like a dog at the moment. Was fine a while ago.

[wheat bane]

Hello, so I play on an MBA M1 8GB RAM, am just wondering if I'm going to be really resigned to a fate of 10fps to 22fps forever or if there's a way to make this better haha. I actually didn't notice that my framerates drop this low! (newbie and on Act 3 currently, installed from Steam). I was initially just concerned about the temperatures my M1 is running

[fossil dock]

You need to try GPTK

[wheat bane]

Is the performance of that one better? Been trying to backread and search for keywords, but couldn't find performance comparisons or quick gauges of at least fps improvement testimonials

[lilac trail]

Performance on any system with only 8GB RAM is going to be poor, whether it’s a Windows or Mac system. No amount of tweaking is going to improve that.

[wheat bane]

Oh so why do I need to try GPTK then? I'm pretty ok with low settings but I figured 10 fps to 22fps as a range for any action game is just gonna get worse at higher levels (and I'm just on Act 3 🤣)

[lilac trail]

If you are only in Act 3 with that type of performance than yes it’s unlikely you will ever be able to run juiced maps. Unmodified maps might be ok. There is a thread earlier in this channel where I provided some suggested settings for someone who was running with 8GB RAM. Take a look at the setting there and see how they line up with your current setup. You won’t get higher fps but the game might run a little better though graphics will not be great.

@civic helm suggestion is worth a try. Using GPTK uses the Windows version of POE. This doesn’t have an fps cap like the Mac version does, so it might provide you with a little more fps.

There is a guide on how to setup POE with GPTK as a pinned message in this channel that you should look at.

There is also an Apple Gaming Wiki discord channel you should look at. There is a posting in there outlining the fps achieved with 3 different Mac configurations.

If you do decide to try GPTK do NOT overwrite your primary OS partition with Sonoma, which is in beta. Create a second partition and install Sonoma+GPTK+POE in there. There are links on how to setup a second partition and install Sonoma in the pinned message as well. Do a full backup before doing anything !

[chilly anvil]

at this point I'd almost advise against installing the sonoma beta unless you're really impatient -- the full release is in a week, you might as well just upgrade when that comes out

[lilac trail]

True but even as a full release it’s generally not a good idea to update to a new OS for 6 months. There are bound to be bugs in it for some time, so installing in a second partition is still highly recommended till April/May next year.

[chilly anvil]

waiting 6 months is wildly overkill, the entire OS is on a 12-month release cycle. waiting a month or so might make sense for a work computer but if you're running games, you're probably not that risk averse

[proud igloo]

Good old "wait for SP1" approach 😄

[wheat bane]

Thanks for the tips! Am not so enthused on trying out sonoma beta tbh XD I impulse updated to ventura myself the other week, I usually am very late to updating bc I'm precautious about packages/libraries breaking for the stuff I need

So weirdly, I tried just restarting my mba m1 air, and if the Hot app is to be believed, I reach 92 deg C, but without changing my settings from before (I have Dynamic culling and Triple Buffering disabled, Dynamic Resolution enabled and unfixed resolution), and I now reach around 30-50fps and more on the maps I tested before on Act 3. On the higher end usually actually which is weird to me

So I tried setting the foreground fps to fixed, at 30fps max in an attempt to lower the temps, and it's lowered to at least 76 C

Still gonna observe

But last night, when I was just hitting 10-22 fps, I reach 60 C

I exited all apps that I could for both tests, only difference is the macbook restart

[wheat bane]

For reference, here's screencaps of my settings

and here's my current performance metrics, well I suppose here it did have difficulty with 17fps

usually it was a bit like this on the maps I've tested in act 3 with mobs

Hmm I think I should go find my laptop cooler fan if I'm fo continue playing path of exile for my macbook's sake

I tried enabling Dynamic Culling and my temps spiked to 98C not sure why -- eventually went 80C but yeah

[cold raft]

Anyone got that error before and how I could fix that?

[wheat bane]

Just curious, what were you trying to do here?

[cold raft]

Starting POE. Nothing else. There is a short screen that shows some kind of file patching, it then closes and that screen shows up.

that helped. (located in user/username/library/application support/path of exile)

[wheat bane]

Is this via Steam? Not sure if I can help btw just asking questions in case I can or others can

[lilac trail]

Read the pinned message section

[cold raft]

Solved.

[wheat bane]

Learned the EasyRes app (changes the resolution of the screen) solves my issues for the most part so far. I think connecting to an external monitor with a lower res than the macbook works better tho. Currently going thru labyrinth, unlocked Act 4.

[proud igloo]

Does anyone run PoB via wine or similar runtime for Windows binaries or is it all pobfrontend stuff these days?
I'm a bit curious to whether my new changes to real PoB will continue to work on the platform.

Hitting the sack now, but would be nice to tell how things are. Ran into some teething problems with shader compilation on Linux Wine.

[haughty socket]

Hi Guys
Quick feedback and questions at the same time
I was running PoE on the mac version on an M1 8go RAM
Not usable definitely i ran it at 15-20 fps and was stalling with monsters
Installed PoE with GPTK on the same hardware and moved to 30 fps but was still having some lags with Harbis and Deli
Recently moved to M2 with 8GO RAM and fps went up to 50 to 60 fps, going down to 20 fps on harbis and 40% delis. Sometimes a few really sluggish fps
Wanted to benchmark this with you and check if some of you succeeded in removing the lag on the most crowded maps ? I would be really interested in finding out on some settings preventing those lags

[lilac trail]

You don’t say what your settings are now.
There is a thread in this channel with some suggested settings. On a system with only 8GB you need to run the game at lowest possible settings, simple as that. The more memory you have the better is a rule of thumb

[lilac trail]

Does via portingkit count or are you after info on a pure Linux based platform ?

[proud igloo]

Anything that runs the real stock PoB software, may it be via brew wine, VM solution, porting kit, etc.

For example, I ran into a problem testing the new runtime last night on Linux where the shader compiler in Wine isn't good enough to compile my shaders, preventing PoB from starting.

A bit of context - we've replaced the old meh OpenGL runtime with the handmade Win32 UI with a fancy new 64-bit program using ANGLE and GLFW for rendering and windowing.
As such it tends to bump the minspec a bit, especially when running on weird OSes.

I have no idea whatsoever how people run PoB on macOS these days and would like to see if it works on any of them 😄

My test box is Ventura, is that good enough for PortingKit?

[proud igloo]

Bleh, PK doesn't like it, despite talking about "10.13+"

[lilac trail]

What’s the issue ? I can run the Windows version of PoB in portingkit. It’s the same for me as if I was running it on a Windows box.

[proud igloo]

Straight up tells me when I go to add a port in the UI that "lol, your OS is too old".

Seems like it was upset about 13.5.1, 13.6 seems fine.

Gah, is GPTK and PortingKit different projects? How confusing.

Yeah, no, I don't have the patience to try to wrangle this trainwreck of a program.

Seems like I need an installer for the program I want to install, there's no such thing for a dev PoB.

Undocumented pile of engines, forums are full of spam...

[lilac trail]

Yes they are different. portingkit has been around for a long time. Apple basically stole the name.

You can find portingkit at portingkit.com (you’r probably already found it).

[lilac trail]

The GPTK tool after v1.0.0 is tied to Sonoma. v1.0.0 will run on Ventura 13.5.1 . portingkit or Crossover are both easier to setup

[proud igloo]

Was less effort to get the real PoB compiling for Apple Silicon again 😄

[proud igloo]

PortingKit might get weird when you need to change the engine from a regular to a 64-bit one eventually.

[proud igloo]

I'm quite surprised that my code works with minor changes on macOS - mostly around case sensitivity, working directories and gently caressing the loader.

[native vector]

Can someone please help me with installing POB on my macbook?

[proud igloo]

@lilac trail 20 FPS with my Debug build - almost better than PoE 😉

[proud igloo]

Feels like it's extremely painful to change an app in PortingKit from 32-bit to 64-bit.
While you can pick another Wineskin engine if you have it installed, it seems like the prefix is still a 32-bit one and I can't find any way to regenerate it.

[lilac trail]

Install portingkit (portingkit.com). Install Windows version of POB in that.

[lilac trail]

I’ve never fiddled with it much. Did you get it off the website or a GitHub repository. I’m not sure there is a GitHub link but someone mentioned one in a Reddit thread hinting at it. They were not the author but I think they know them.

[proud igloo]

I downloaded the PortingKit installer, set up a New Custom Port for it, picked a regular CX engine, installed regular release 32-bit PoB from Setup EXE.
I then transplanted in my new 64-bit dev PoB into that environment and tried making it run that instead.

Running it with the original engine just says in the logs that it can't run 64-bit apps.
If I replace the engine with a 64-bit one, it tries to go into a WoW64 mode with a 32-bit prefix and fails in a different way.

This is a problem as we're eventually going to change the bitness of PoB.

[native vector]

Thanks for your assist but is there any videos on how to use PortingKit??

[lilac trail]

Yeap. Take a look on the website I included in my first reply. TBH it is straight forward. Download portingkit. Install it. Then make a custom wrapper (there isn’t a pre-built one) and install POB in that, by following the prompts (portingkit is GUI based).

[native vector]

ok thanks

[frail gyro]

hey guys, I play poe with GPTK and I want to roll tujen fast by increase speed scrolling mouse, but I don't know how to increase scroll speed, anyone help me?

[lilac trail]

Ee ... wouldn't this be a setting in System preferences 🤔

[frail gyro]

I try setting in system preferences but it seem no effect

[proud igloo]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/25119499

[lilac trail]

Not an unusual response from GGG. TBF very few game companies seem to want to provide clarity around these things.

[void sinew]

Yay, that's my post. 😆 Aaaand now I'm not even able to launch the client since 3.22.1d dropped 🙃 Guess the time of having a setup specifically for games is back.

[lilac trail]

Haven’t tried the Mac client in a while now. Using GPTK to run POE these days.

What happens when trying to run the Mac client ?

[void sinew]

Just crashes after it updates, it's the start of the work week, so I'm actually not that bothered by it, gonna wait if it solves itself until the weekend and if it doesn't I might try GPTK.

[lilac trail]

GPTK works. Crossover 23.5 just came out, which now had D3DMetal support so it should also run POE now. There is a cost for Crossover, but it’s discounted to $54 USD till Oct 17 with a promo code

[void sinew]

I might get Crossover just because that's a nice to have. But GPTK should be fine, my gaming machine is on Linux anyway, so I'm familiar with wine 😄

[lilac trail]

I thought GPTK only ran on Apple Silicon ?

[void sinew]

GPTK is basically an Apple modified version of wine. But yes, it does only run on Apple Silicon.

[void sinew]

I got a while to play with the game and decided to try it on steam, it seems to be working fine, so it was probably just the client.

It just makes me slightly mad that I didn't go out of my way to pay extra for the M2 Max when upgrading, but well, it's not like I won't upgrade the gaming PC by the time PoE 2 is out.

[atomic herald]

i did read now on apple page that it is possible to create a disc partition and install older version of mac OS - i can tell the Monterey is working with no problems (at least on my studio M1 max) and steam client as well. (oh my i was not sure of my own OS)

and yes, now i did the latest update with steam and i can join poe, no problems 🤓

[proud igloo]

You people are blessed this week, Henry asked a question about which hardware people who crash are on.

[fossil dock]

Hmm????? What you mean?

[proud igloo]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/25121978

[lilac trail]

GGG actually acknowledged an issue on Macs 😳

[proud igloo]

I know, right!? 😄

[lilac trail]

The links to do that and where to download the installer are in a pinned message in this sub-channel for anyone who wants to do that. It’s part of the GPTK setup pinned message.

You can also run newer version of MacOS on older non-supported Macs by using Opencore Legacy Patcher (OCLP) - https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

[humble crane]

How to get awakened Poe on MacBook?

[lilac trail]

There is a pinned post regarding APOE on Mac. It's not very reliable. In my experience it does not always work, but your welcome to try it.

[humble crane]

I’ve downloaded the universal.dog file and ‘allowed it to control my MacBook’ but it won’t run properly

[lilac trail]

You followed this thread yes ? If it is not working then you'll need to post a message in that forum and hope someone can help you.

[wide marten]

finally i buy a windows laptop with rtx 4060

[valid heath]

PoE need more CPU than GPU

So i hope you got decent CPU in that as well

[proud igloo]

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/25123434

The temporary solution for now is to do a reinstall of the game, sorry.

[lilac trail]

They cannot be serious 😳😬🙄🤨

[gentle harbor]

I’m curious anyone experiencing POB crashes when using the trade for items feature today?
I never had this issue before but now it just keeps happening

On MacBook of course

[atomic herald]

... i was about to ask how Sonoma OS works for poe, and i guess i got the answer there on the forum. 🥴

and as i wrote above, Monterey works still fine.

[zealous mango]

So, I need some help

I downloaded the poe and I opened it, but when I opened it, it basically said I already had a copy of the game on my mac, so I couldn't put poe in the same file, I tried to find the other copy, but I can't

[proud igloo]

Is it like this pinned post? #mac-os🍎 message

[gusty finch]

Hello

[zealous mango]

yes thank you

[stable aurora]

having this same issue:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3228871

PoE failing to launch after i updated my OS.

somewhere near the end of this thread apparently some of the users found the solution but didnt bother to post it up for everyone else to see. Thanks guys.

[stable aurora]

i would like to try deleting and reinstalling it but i cannot find where it is. the directories described elsewhere do not seem to exist

ok got the hidden files to show and reinstalling so it may work now

[wheat bane]

Considering getting a Steam Deck as an up next for my Path of Exile exp on an MBA M1 8GB, anyone have thoughts on this? 🤣

[proud igloo]

Woo, macOS was useful in finding a shutdown bug in my version of the PoB app.

[atomic herald]

the crash-report?

[proud igloo]

For some reason my own PoB version crashed on shutdown on macOS but not on Windows - turns out that I had made a mistake and was double-destroying some resources.

[fossil dock]

Gptk 1.0 is out any one tested it already?

[lilac trail]

I’ confused by the GPTK numbering. The last release was 1.0.4. Why are people taking about v1.0 being out

[fossil dock]

.4 is minor beta version

[fossil dock]

What about POE under Crossover is it perform better vs pure GPTK or performance is same?

[proud igloo]

Hah, I've blocked myself from being able to install Sonoma onto my external SSD.
Somehow it requires around a gig free on the "current" boot volume, which might be Asahi Linux's boot drive.

[proud igloo]

Ah! It requires space in the current boot volume due to the filthy hacks that Apple have to do to boot macOS on Apple Silicon from USB. They supposedly don't directly boot from USB but copy stuff onto shadow storage on the system disk to make it look like they do.

[lilac trail]

Sounds a lot like they use the same process as OCLP. Most people seem to think they magically install an unsupported OS on disk when in fact it is all in memory except for a few setup and config files on disk.

[humble crane]

Why isn’t the vanilla client updating for Mac ?

[proud igloo]

Any message or just somehow out of date?

[proud igloo]

Oh, Steam, not Standalone.

Or hrm, no, that's Standalone.

[proud igloo]

It might be this thread: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3438668/page/2#p25127425

[humble crane]

How to clear cache?

[humble crane]

Any idea?

[proud igloo]

Those two are (probably hidden?) directories in your home directory. You may access them either via a terminal or in Finder if you can make it show hidden entries.

[chilly anvil]

Finder, Go menu > Go to Folder… and type in ~/Library to see the folder

[void sinew]

Am I just imagining thing/crazy, but is there a memory leak in the Steam version?

[fervent needle]

is anyone having texture issues after the latest patch?

extreme load times

[hard arch]

Using an M1 14”, does controller work well with PoE? Also is there a rec settings for crisp 60fps?

[gentle harbor]

anyone's POB crashing when using the trade for these items feature in pob?

[fossil dock]

Some times yes

[proud igloo]

We troubleshot it over on another server, the root cause here was an invalid session ID.

The runtime shouldn't straight up crash, but that's pobfrontend at fault, not the official PoB runtime.

[jolly dagger]

hey guys i just installed path of exile on 2021 Mac pro M1 chip. From what I know is mac's aren't capiable of running games. Now im trying to run PoE on my mac. Will it damage my mac immediately? Overtime? Or its never gonna over heat and will be just fine?

[fossil dock]

If your cooling is clean you don't have any problem

[hard arch]

It should be fine. It may feel a little warm after an hour or so. But thats normal for gaming laptops. Just make sure you have airflow.

[plucky swallow]

a good habit is to limit fps, if it jumps 60-90 lock it to 60, if it is 30-50 lock it to 30 to not to push to the limits and overheat so it has to throttle

btw any m3 tests on maps?

[young badger]

Hey! Anyone have a solution for scroll click on Mac?

[hard arch]

Anyone get controllers to work?

[lilac jewel]

no

It doesn't support controllers it is stupid

[lilac trail]

Anyone have experience running POE via an external SSD (with Windows installed on the SSD) ? If so what was performance like ? I need to run POE via Windows because of third party software. A VM is not an option. POE used to run ok in either VMWARE or Parallels. It's now unplayable on either thanks to whatever "improvements" GGG have made over the years. I need a solution (GFN isn't one since you can't install third party software on the virtual PC they provide AFAIK).

[proud igloo]

Haven't tried running a full OS from one but an USB-C SSD like the T7 Shield is pretty decent as a general purpose drive. I've got Sonoma installed on mine, worked enough for some interactive use.
You may have to fight it a bit to install itself and a boot loader onto one, but maybe WindowsToGo might help.

I ass-ume this is an Intel-based Mac?

I ran Windows off a SMR USB HDD once. I wouldn't recommend that 😄

[lilac trail]

Not an Intel based Mac - M1. VMWARE Fusion player can almost run it. Parallels is a disaster. Crossover isn't an option since I need to run Autohotkey scripts along side it, and other 3rd party software.
I need to have Windows on the SSD. I've seen the how-to's on that so I'm not concerned in that regard but if the performance sucks as much as a VM does then there is no point wasting the money trying it out. I'll do some more reading on Windows on an external SSD. It would be a USB-C connection I think. The older USB interface would too slow

[proud igloo]

I don't think ARM-based Windows is a thing on bare metal for Apple Silicon. The Asahi peeps had to do quite a bit of hacking to get anything going and I doubt anyone, especially Apple, has done anything similar to Bootcamp for this era.

[chilly anvil]

not a thing, not going to be a thing unless Microsoft takes action to support it (which seems unlikely)

[lilac trail]

Yeah no Bootcamp for sure. I do have a Windows laptop. Maybe I could use that to set up a bootable drive. Whether Apple Silicon would see it as a bootable drive is a good question.
On a related note - is POE write or read intensive ? I'm trying to figure out why it sucks so much now on a VM. It did not used to be so bad. VM's are emulators, so there is that overhead, but it should not be this bad. Clearly the Apple Silicon architecture doesn't handle things as well as the Intel based systems.

[chilly anvil]

The only non-Apple OS that can boot on Apple Silicon currently is Asahi Linux. There is no way to run Windows directly on Apple Silicon hardware, regardless of what storage device it's installed on

[lilac trail]

My options are pretty much non-existent then I guess. The Windows laptop I have is an i5 with 8GB of RAM. Even if I have USB-C 3.2 connections on it I think performance of POE on an external drive would be worse than a VM on the M1.

[lilac trail]

I tried the Mac client again. The graphics issues that were plaguing the stand alone Mac client seem to have disappeard. Whether that is due to fixes I do not know. Patch notes are spotty on any specific fix for Mac related graphics issues that have been plaguing me since 3.17.4 but so far 🤞 I'm not seeing any of the blocky patterns or disco affects and have been going pretty solid for the past 2 days. Previously I could get the issue on the first map. It would be nice if GGG could have at least mentioned if they had resolved something, otherwise I'll chalk it up to luck more than effort. I'm pleased to be able to get back to it natively 👍

[lilac trail]

Trying to install the latest version of POB community fork in the latest portingkit. It keeps hanging. Also tried installing it on a Windows box (POB) but it refuses to open. Anyone else or is this just me ?

[proud igloo]

The anti-Bob countermeasures are working 😉

[lilac trail]

Ha ha - I figured it out in the end. Part brain fatigue but all user issue ....working like a charm again via portinkit. No idea what is going with the Windows box. For some bizarre reason I seem to have more control over POE via GPTK than the native Mac client. The mouse seems harder to control via the native client. At least they both work now. Had no graphics glithes in 4 days. GGG are back in my good books .. I'm sure they will breathe a sigh of relief now 🤣

[void palm]

Is the Mac version of "Awakened PoE Trade" currently Version 3.22.10002 ? Would anybody have the download link? I can't seem to find it. Thx.

[lilac trail]

Check one of the pinned messages. There is an old forum link in one but that in turn should link you to the most current one

[sand moon]

I dream of the day this game will be M1-M2 processor native

[proud igloo]

Any decade now.

[lilac trail]

So ... it appears the graphics issue are still there but on a vastly smaller scale. Playing a minion build with spiders sometimes has an interesting effect. Not nearly as bad as it was though.

[hard arch]

Yeah I noticed sometimes assets wont load, mainly happens on maps I have not been on. Then again, I'm only on Act 6.

[edgy jacinth]

Does anyone know where the Client.txt logfile is kept on your computer if you're on a mac? I managed to sucessfully install TraXile (https://github.com/dermow/Traxile) via CrossOver and just need to find the logfile to make it run.

[proud igloo]

For both the Standalone version and Steam version on macOS: $HOME/Library/Caches/com.GGG.PathOfExile/Logs/Client.txt

[edgy jacinth]

Amazing, thanks, it totally works! Interesting to see all those stats

Although it looks like they weren't kept for past leagues for the most part

[lilac trail]

R U running POE in Crossover 23.7 as well as this program or just the tool above in Crossover ?

[lilac trail]

Anyone know how you price for bulk selling on Trade. I can set an individual price for a single item but I want to set a price per 1000 or so (unless someone really wants to buy a single for the same price of course 🙂 )

[proud igloo]

The price you set is price-per-chunk / count-per-chunk, where chunk is the granularity you want in your sales.

Listing something for 16/1 (or 16) lets people buy 1 item for 16 currencies.
Listing something for 16000/1000 lets people buy increments of 1000 items for 16000 currency per increment.

[lilac trail]

OK but how do I do that ? I've set the tab to public. Then you have several options regarding pricing to set

[proud igloo]

In other words, simplifying the fraction is always the price for a single item and the denominator indicates the chunkiness of the trade.

You type in a literal fraction like above in the amount field.

It all boils down to a note of like ~price 16000/1000 chaos or ~b/o 16000/1000 chaos depending on if you go exact or offer.

[lilac trail]

Oh so if Iwant to sell 22000 for 10 div it would be 10/22000 Div ?

[proud igloo]

Aye.

There's actual documentation for this, heh: https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/about

[lilac trail]

No way ! Thxs. I wondered how people figured it all out. Maybe a nice read over lunch 😀

[proud igloo]

It's a bit confusing as it starts out with describing how you make an offer by listing chaos for what you want to buy; the "alternatively" branch is what I described here.

[lilac trail]

It would not be a GGG guide if it were not confusing 😛

[lilac trail]

Maybe a known issue but when you make a tab public you can no longer right click to use things. For example right click to use a scroll of wisdom. It won't work. Maybe this is just a thing on a Mac. Never happened before since I never made my currency tab public to sell stuff in the past. Or maybe this only happens on my system 🤷‍♂️
When I remove the public tag everything works as it did before

[proud igloo]

Always been that way everywhere.

Good to know macOS is on par with the rest of the game 😉

[edgy jacinth]

just the tool; PoE is through Steam in macOS

[lilac trail]

I set it up today. The stop watch overlay is nice. It must store the contents of your Client.txt in the app. I deleted the file and it still has the information.

[novel steppe]

Hello,
I tried PoE on my M1 mac, but the GPU say N/A in in-game graph, I don't understand why. I'm also at 40 FPS only. May it be because I use an external display ?

[lilac trail]

It doesn't matter what you are using. I use a Studio display. The in-game graph always says NA for the GPU whether I use the external display or the laptop monitor. This is normal as far as I know for an M Series chip. Likely because there is no dedicated GPU like in Windows systems, so the graphics tool can't report any GPU.

If you are using the native Mac client the FPS is capped. You cannot go above 60 FPS. 40 FPS is not an unreasonable rate to be getting. I have an M1 Max with 64GB, 2 TB SSD. I get 37 FPS in my HO just doing nothing. It's even lower when in maps. If you run POE via GPTK you will get a slightly better FPS (50-60) but you will never see the frame rates Windows users can get.

[novel steppe]

Thanks for you help. i'll looking for a GEForce NOW for a month before going back to my windows then, thanks 🙂

[fossil dock]

After last updates I got new issue with delve.... game crash right before loot explosion... problem on both version - native mac and crossover

[lilac trail]

Hmmm - have not run Delve for a while. Will try it and see if it occurs for me. Does this occur every time and in the same location ? I had an area in Delve I just could not play once. Always out of sync errors

[lilac trail]

No issues running Delve using the native Mac client so far.

[fossil dock]

Me too... but I update loot filter...

[edgy jacinth]

I used to have tons of delve issues with that "out of sync" error, I think they tried to fix at some point, but who knows. was always very frustrating!

[fossil dock]

This problem only on native client. That error exactly why I start play via whiskey/crossover/gptk

Overall, currently I think that gptk performance is better than native Mac client have

[fervent needle]

how are you folks running the game currently?

after tota patch game performance for me got incredibly bad

[karmic swallow]

Looking to play next league. I just got a new M3 Macbook Pro Max(binned) with 36gigs of ram that I've been using for school. How will PoE run on this thing? Looking to play on the go in between doing schoolwork, have a PC at home.

[jolly yacht]

I use M2 Max MacBook Pro and have very few problems outside of a bug or two. You should be fine!

[karmic swallow]

Sweet

Is there path of building/awakened poe/overlays for mac?

[jolly yacht]

Check the POE forums a day or two before launch. Someone always makes a Mac Path of building and shares it. If you google it now you can even find the thread. I never got any of the other stuff to work though like awakened poe trader But I have no skills to work around things in Mac. Some people figure it out

[karmic swallow]

Ty king

I'll just dump tab loot while I'm using my laptop lol

[lilac trail]

Look at the pinned posts here. There is a link to Awakened for Mac. There is a POB version for Amc but I would not advise using it. Instead grab portingkit (portingkit.com). It's free. Install the Windows version of PoB in that.

[proud igloo]

(PoB 2.35.* is just out this evening by the way)

[lilac trail]

Thanks ! Have updated to it - has all he info been released by GGG so people can start theory crafting ? I'm interested to see if anything in the changes have broken my premier build

2.35.1 atm

[proud igloo]

2.35.2 due shortly.

[proud igloo]

Nope. Transfigured gems have two batches thus far, A-D and E-M.

Unlikely to get anything in something like PoB until launch datamine.

[edgy jacinth]

have people been able to get tyty's filters installed with the spoken names of everything?

i just hear a regular filter sound but nobody speaking, following his instructions to place the audio files in my filter folder

[proud igloo]

There's a pinned post here with the location where you need to place sound files on macOS, as the client looks in the wrong place.

#mac-os🍎 message

Or modify the filter with full absolute paths to the files.

[lilac trail]

Looks like the graphics issues are back ...guess I need to make the switch. Which runs better native GPTK or via Crossover (which I grabbed at their Black Friday/Monday sale).

[fossil dock]

I play on Crossover because after last path my native client crashes right after update

[lilac trail]

What FPS do you get ? Any settings I should configure once I’ve created the bottle ?

[fossil dock]

I try different settings, but open legion on LA still 10-20fps on M1 Max

[lilac trail]

Luckily I don't play Legion but there is probably other content that is just as horrible FPS wise.
I just started to install POE on Crossover. When you hit the "Install" button it shows you a list of games and ratigs of them. Here is what I assume the "official" position on POE by Crossover is

Anyone know which of these settings I should use

[lilac trail]

Only the Sync and High resolution options work. Otherwise you just get a huge black screen - or at least I do.

It installs but it's unplayable for me. May in-game settings are set too high for it. Back to the native client for me I guess

[fossil dock]

Are you using DX12?

[lilac trail]

No. It defaults to DX11 in the settings. The lag was terrible. I was surprised given you mentioned you are running it via Crossover

[atomic herald]

i never pre-download it, i just wait until the last hour before and update normally from steam

have been working fine every league start for me, on mac os (still on Monterey here)

[proud igloo]

Considering that the torrent is useless for the proper mac clients, that's wise.

[stable aurora]

Did you try D3DMetal or dxvk?

As far as i remember game was pretty unplayable without dxvk even on linux

Then when dxvk came it was finally very playable, but then we got legion and you were frozen for the whole starting countdown

After a while they announced their vulkan beta, and finally the game is pretty much perfect

That said i don’t think the native client is particularly different, vulkan and moltenvk there too

[lilac trail]

I tried both. They gave me a large black screen. D3DMetal also produced an error. I’ve run POE with GPTK and Codeweaver uses many of the same components. I’d expect it to work better than this.

[stable aurora]

What about vulkan in the game settings?

[lilac trail]

Did not try that yet

[fossil dock]

to get it run I manually change render to: renderer_type=DirectX12 in production_Config.ini file, after that you can enable GPTK
(you can find production_Config.ini in Documents\My Games\Path of Exile)

[topaz meteor]

out of curiosity: would PoE run fine with not-trash settings on my 16'' M1 Pro?

[fossil dock]

Depend on your in game build...

[topaz meteor]

What do you mean by build? Prefs?

[fossil dock]

No, I mean if you play legion on Tornado Shot you have bad FPS

[topaz meteor]

SRS

[fossil dock]

IMHO GPTK + DX12 have better performance in compare with native mac client but you need to invest some time to install in configuration

ASIDE: yesterday Awakened Poe Trade (APT, https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade) release mac os compatible build

now - no need to search forum to find working build with lastest updates

[tame void]

Anybody else having the standalone mac client updater crash after the "updater update" (the little 40 mb one before the patch itself). Never starts on the full patch

[fossil dock]

I can't download 40m patch

[tame void]

looks like I'm a steam gamer for now

[proud igloo]

Patch infra is a bit overloaded and it will stall out at 0B/s occasionally, some peeps report crashes.

It'll resume from roughly where it left off if you start again from a crash.

Or Steam - their infra holds.

[tame void]

for me, it is reliably downloading the 40mb, then giving me a "report/ignore" osx popup after crashing. It's not networking I think

[fossil dock]

Close POE, then do this
cd cd ~/Library/Application\ Support/Path\ of\ Exile/
rm Path\ of\ Exile.app/

[atomic herald]

worked fine to patch from steam (it seems, dont know yet ofc if it will work)

[lilac trail]

Patch seems to have loaded ok for me. Past the 40MB part. Now on the 8.8GB piece.

For the native stand alone client make sure you delete Path of Exile as per the pinned message to avoid update issues

[lilac trail]

There has always been a Mac version but I find it doesn’t work on my system. Maybe this update will run smoother.

If you use POE via GPTK then APT key mappings don’t work. If I recall correctly you need to mess with a file to get it going properly (it’s in an earlier post in this thread somewhere)

[fossil dock]

Latest release of APT seems like work

[lilac trail]

I’m using the stand alone client for now. I might give APT another try then

[ornate sluice]

So Mac client is crashing on steam…

[sonic linden]

I have linux and mac but have never tried mac before. How’s the game on mac? Anyone with an M1 pro 16gb playing?

[lilac trail]

You should be ok to run it using the native client. I'd suggest though setting it up using GPTK instead - either command line or via a utility like Whisky. It runs better and you will have less hassles with configuring sounds filters and performing patch updates

[sonic linden]

Okay cool. is that guide you have pinned still up to date?

[lilac trail]

The only difference is the version of GPTK is now different. The how-to though remains the same 👍

Is there anywhere else the Mac client may be looking for filter files ? I have a weird issue where it appears the game is loading an old filter. I have removed all the filter files from the usual location (/Users/username/Library/Caches/com.GGG.PathOfExile/OnlineFilter AND in the folder /Preferences/ItemFilters where the PathOfExile excutable also lives). The issue still persists, even after a game restart.

Apart from that having soooo many issues with the native Client - either that are GGG are releasing patches like crazy. I'm going back to the GPTK based method if I can't resolve the latest problem.

[fossil dock]

I found on latest Crossover POE run better with enabled M-sync, because M-sync reduce CPU load that provide more smooth experience and more FPS (on my M1 Max)

[ornate sluice]

Hey, ggg game doesn’t even launch on Mac- steam!

[proud igloo]

If you've got words for GGG, try the bug report forum.

Here we mostly have copium parties, workarounds and ever more complicated schemes of running the game.

[brave trail]

is anyone having trouble running awakened poe? I keep getting the message that it is quitting unexpectedly.

[fossil dock]

Yes, possible solution: open terminal and run /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app/Contents/MacOS/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade

[lilac trail]

Yes I have that option enabled. It runs slower than molasses. I have an M1 Max with 64GB of memory. I also have an ethernet, not a wireless connection. I'm surprised by the poor performance. Running via GPTK works but I've found certain keys don't work as they should. The option key does not show the properties of an item. I have to use the command key.
I also can't link items in chat per the usual keystrokes. Have yet to figure out what, if any, keystrokes I need to perform to make that work. If you know let me know.

I found it - command+ctrl+shift 🙄

[karmic swallow]

I was really hoping that I would be able to at least play the game on lower graphic settings on the go while I was away from my windows computer. It feels pretty ass and I have a brand new M3 max with 16gigs of ram. Any advice on getting it to run smoother? Would like to get it running at something tolerable before I go out of town next weekend and bring my laptop. What settings and apps is everyone using?

Would using something like parallels help? Sorry I'm brand new to macs

[lilac trail]

Stay away from VM software for this. It is unplayable.

You should be able to play it on an M3 using either the native Mac client or via GPTK. There is a pinned message on how to set it up with GPTK. Personally I would use GPTK.

There is a post in this thread about settings to use with a Macbook Air with 8GB of unified memory. Search for that (it’s by me) and try those settings.

Oh and if you need to run Windows apps use portingkit (portingkit.com). It’s free. Generally no need for VM software. If you really need VM software use VMWARE Fusion player, not Parallels. VMWARE is free for personal use and it has no restrictions on allocating CPU and RAM like Parallels does.

[karmic swallow]

Thank you so much! I'll look into gptk!

[lilac trail]

For those who like to track stuff here is a native Mac application to do so. It is based on the Windows version. Have not tried it out given I'm playing via GPTK now but might be worth a look - https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3266075

[stable aurora]

Tech question kinda but can a mac book air run this game?

I use it mostly for school but wondered if it could be used for this to

And used enough to a point the game can run decently well

[lilac trail]

Well you are going to have to tell us the specs for someone to say one way or the other. If you search this channel you’ll see someone played it on a Macbook Air with 8GB of RAM. Would not recommend that though. All settings need to be set to lowest possible. Minimum RAM should be 16GB.

[pale sierra]

hey all, i used to get 60fps all the time i think it was in crucible league but now when i logged in i only got around 45fps in my hideout doing nothing, i got a M1 Pro 16GB RAM, is there anything i could do? I already updated to the latest OS

[stable aurora]

(Im the same account as the karma guy) but where do you check the ram avail?

I dont use laptops for this stuff so never checked lol

ah damn nvm

I have only 8

seems unlikely then

[lilac trail]

I would not be pretty. You could try via GPTK but I think that would be a stretch.

[stable aurora]

It’s fine I’ll stick to the ps5 for now

[lilac trail]

Hey Gordon - I can't get this to run. Keeps crashing with

The error report generated is all greek to me 😬 Running Sonoma 14.2

[fossil dock]

solution: open terminal and run /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app/Contents/MacOS/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade

[lilac trail]

This does not work - throws an error too. Does a whole bunch of checks, including whether there is an update, complains that no zip file is provided then goes nowhere. I'll ask in TFT dev-tool channel. Maybe a corrupt install. It's running under my id, which is admin level, so it isn't or should not be a permissions thing

[lilac trail]

Ha ha - nice one zao.

[lilac trail]

Seems I’m not the only one running into this issue. I added my voice to the official forum thread

[proud igloo]

Is this a first party APT or one of the usual repackagings? I didn't quite catch recent news.

[atomic herald]

i have a bug, new for today, when i come back from a wildwood the overlay map is turned off, every time - was not like that yday

[lilac trail]

This is the Awakened POE port to Mac. Gordon sent a link the other day. It works for them but I can’t get it working at all

[atomic herald]

i rebooted my computer but that dont help, and it seems it is only me that have this, not pc-users anyway

it is the update today that changed something, so the overlay map goes off when i return from wildwood

[lilac trail]

Stand alone client, Steam or via GPTK ?

[atomic herald]

steam

for me the steam download and updates works, i think cause i use old OS Monterey
Maybe i am the only one on this option...

[lilac trail]

Maybe. Don’t play league so not having the same issue. You could upgrade to whatever OS your system is capable of or wait for the next patch. Seems to be a ton of issues so far this league. It might fix itself after the next patch 🤷🏼‍♂️

[atomic herald]

i wont upgrade my OS due to everyone else complain poe on steam dont work on mac xD

i think i am maybe the only one it is workinf for?

to press the TAB to get overlay map back is not a big issue

just wanted to check if anyone else had the same

[lilac trail]

Ah - yeah that is weird. As long as you have a work around, like Gordon does for APT, It's annoying but at lease workable.
I have not heard back from developer about APT issue. Hopefully they are ok and not just ignoring the post. I hope they can provide a solution.

Is there an online pricing tool similar to APT I can use - cut and paste and it pops up a price. Having to look up Trade all the time is a drag

[atomic herald]

(i dont trade at all, so i have no idea on that kind of tool, sry)

[lilac trail]

Found it - poeprices.info

Cut and paste into it and you get pricing. It’ll do for my needs

[lilac trail]

Does POB have the transfigured gems in it's list ? I just tried to select one but could not find it.

[karmic swallow]

Am I an idiot? I have awakened poe installed and am able to open it up in client and set it up but for some reason can't price check items. I hit the prescribed keys--cntrl + d--and nothing happens

Also when I put the client to fullscreen and then try to open awakened poe it just flips me out of the client. Do I have to do windowed since there's no borderless windowed option?

[lilac trail]

At least it starts up for you. Can't get it running at all. If you don't get it going use https://www.poeprices.info It's a website that will provide prices if you cut and paste what you are trying to price. Not quite as convenient as APT but better than manually trying to look up Trade postings

[lilac trail]

Looks like there is either a bug in pOb or it does not currently support Transformed gems, which to me seem like a complete waste of time. They are a gem nerf by another name

[proud igloo]

The PoB team are working hard at implementing what amounts to hundreds of new skill gems, as well as figuring out how to properly represent the gems in save data going forward.

Not sure what you mean by a "waste of time", apart from reading a bit insulting.

[lilac trail]

The gems by GGG are a waste of time, not the efforts by those maintaining POB. They are one of the bright stars in the whole ecosystem around the game !

[keen terrace]

how does this game run on mac yall

this is probably asked a million times but uhh yeah

its native?

[lilac trail]

There is a Mac client. It’s universal so it will run on both an Intel and Apple Silicon. There are a number of quirks with the stand alone client. It runs but every time a patch is released you have to delete the executable to patch the game. This doesn’t occur if you are running Monterey (or earlier). The Mac client also has an FPS cap of 60fps. You will not be able to go above that regardless of what your system is.

You can also run the game via Steam or set it up using Apple’s GPTK tool (which is how I run it).

[proud igloo]

Huh? Did they ever make actual universal binaries or do you just mean that it runs Intel code under Rosetta2?

[lilac trail]

I meant that the client will work on either an Intel or an Apple Silicon system.

[proud igloo]

The initial question about "native" is lovingly ambigious there too 😄

Native as in actual instruction set, or native as in not running emulated in something like Wine, or native as in not needing a VM 🤯

[atomic herald]

totally depend on what mac u are using and what OS u run on that mac 🤓

I use Mac Studio M1 Max with Monterey OS, and this works totally fine for me.

(poe runs under Rosetta via Steam, just fine)

[fossil dock]

In an attempt to address POE performance issues I ordered myself a macbook M3 Max (40 gpu) hopefully I'll soon find out how much better it will be compared to the M1 Max

[proud igloo]

Sounds like a good excuse 🙂

[fossil dock]

this is for work needs... only work, I swear :)))))))))))

[karmic swallow]

Okay so what buttons should I be pressing to price check. I feel like I click them and it does nothing

[fossil dock]

I remap all comans to F* keys

[karmic swallow]

Ok and that works for you?

[fossil dock]

My current, working, config

[fossil dock]

Is anyone know how to fix infinity shader loading on GPTK/Crossover? afaik for nvidia users exists some option to fix that but what about analogue for wine like system?

[hallow laurel]

guys

how do u delete decorations from hideout?

does macos poe client have other button to delete than "Delete" ?

cuz we dont have "Delete"Key on keyboard

[fossil dock]

fn + backspace must help you

[karmic swallow]

Ty king (or queen)

[proud igloo]

Export, edit hideout text file, import 😉

[fossil dock]

Wow... but how you can figure out what exactly bloody cactus you need to delete?

[proud igloo]

^_^

[lilac trail]

I can only dream of seeing this screen

[karmic swallow]

Ahem. Pardon me if this is a stupid question but could you walk through the steps you use when you successfully start up awakened poe and search an item. Are you using fullscreen or windowed?

[wintry pumice]

Hi guys, on the M2 Pro and M3 Pro, how is the performance for PoE on Steam?

[fossil dock]

My workflow is:

1. download latest dmg
2. open dmg and drag'n'drop newest app to Application folder
3. open application folder, right click on APT and chose open
4. confirm run application
5. add APT to preference and get application crush
6. open terminal and run /Applications/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade.app/Contents/MacOS/Awakened\ PoE\ Trade

[karmic swallow]

Ok ty

[brazen silo]

Wouldn't it be cheaper to by a gaming machine alongside your M1?

[fossil dock]

Absolutely not, I use M1 for developing software and compilation time is relevant for me. Gaming possibilites is simple good addition to it 🙂

[brazen silo]

You already have an M1 machine, no?

[fossil dock]

Yes, currently M1 Max

[scenic belfry]

How do I copy paste this link in browser???

[fossil dock]

1. Click on field
2. CMD + A
3. CMD + C
   You see nothing but link to trade in buffer

[scenic belfry]

Thank you 🙏

[proud igloo]

pobfrontend

static int l_OpenURL(lua_State* L)
{
    int n = lua_gettop(L);
    LAssert(L, n >= 1, "Usage: OpenURL(url)");
    LAssert(L, lua_isstring(L, 1), "OpenURL() argument 1: expected string, got %t", 1);
    // FIXME
    //pobwindow->sys->OpenURL(lua_tostring(L, 1));
    return 0;
}

The alternate runtime used in the unofficial macOS packaging of PoB doesn't know how to open URLs when PoB tells it to.

There's a whole lot of functionality there that just straight up isn't implemented.

I was going to throw shade there but my PoB runtime doesn't do it on Linux either, but does do it on macOS 😄

It's like four lines of code for the pobfrontend peeps to implement it.
https://github.com/zao/PathOfBuilding-SimpleGraphic/blob/master/engine/system/win/sys_macos.mm:

#include <string_view>
#include <CoreFoundation/CFBundle.h>
#include <ApplicationServices/ApplicationServices.h>

void PlatformOpenURL(const char* textUrl)
{
    std::string_view urlView = textUrl;
    CFURLRef url = CFURLCreateWithBytes(nullptr, (const UInt8*)urlView.data(), urlView.size(), kCFStringEncodingUTF8, nullptr);
    LSOpenCFURLRef(url, nullptr);
    CFRelease(url);
}

[fossil dock]

Why POB does not have official OSX build?

[proud igloo]

ho ho ho

[proud igloo]

Path of Building is essentially a two-part program, with a runtime that handles the windowing, hosts some Lua interpreters and deals with all the drawing and interaction with the OS. On top of that the meat of the program is written in Lua, using the API that the runtime provides.

The runtime (called SimpleGraphic) was a 32-bit Windows project with all sorts of dependencies on the Windows platform all over the place, using OpenGL 1.1 for rendering. Porting it as-is to another OS is a huge endeavour as it's full of legacy decisions and code, essentially being a rewrite for each additional platform you wish to target.

The PoB packages you see for Linux and macOS these days are built on top of a lightweight half-done reimplementation of the runtime called "pobfrontend", which provides just about enough of a base for the Lua to run and mostly do what it should. The only reason why it works much at all is because SimpleGraphic has been stable and boring for so long, leaving a very stable interface.

With a lot of hubris and after a lot of people started having startup problems with inferior OpenGL implementations in GPU drivers on Windows; I did a test project to port SimpleGraphic to something a bit more modern.

That uses GLFW3 for windowing rather than the handwrought Win32 UI; OpenGL ES 2 instead of OpenGL 1.1, running on top of modern graphics APIs thanks to Google's ANGLE implementation of ES; all the Win32 APIs replaced with portable alternatives; 64-bit libraries and a current LuaJIT rather than an ancient one.

That test project is what's currently is shipping in real Windows PoB as the "beta" runtime.

That beta runtime incidentally happens to build and run on Linux and macOS; as it has shed all dependencies on Windows things.

Anyway, the tech side of things is only one part of official support.

Going from a prototype to something you can actually support requires polishing up a lot of the final stretch, making it update properly, interact properly with Retina, store builds somewhere relevant, work with how wonky Applications and all the other paths are on macOS, etc.

The big obstacle to officially supporting a platform however is whether the team can troubleshoot and ship new versions in the same manner they currently support Windows, especially as essentially no-one has a mac nor any developer subscriptions if those end up being required.
It also negatively affects development speed if you have to consider all platforms when making things rather than the one that everyone is using.

[fossil dock]

Hmmm... why don't move render to something like canvas with electron, and forget about dead OpenGL?

[proud igloo]

It's kind of like localization, where while it might be "easy" to support other languages, you still have the eternal damper of having to maintain and keep translations up to date in all the work you do.

[fossil dock]

I totally understand concerns about future support of any "new" feature

[proud igloo]

PoB is a structured in a peculiar manner, due to its history of running on what's essentially a 2D game engine.

Every frame inputs are processed, there's a bit of communication with subscripts and piecemeal tasks and the whole UI is regenerated from scratch, drawing as it goes in an immediate manner.

This maps extremely poorly to all normal UI paradigms, including the browser one that Electron leverages.

[fossil dock]

Oh...

[proud igloo]

While you could techically try to cast the drawing operations in terms of canvas drawing, it's likely to not scale.

I forget how many individual draw calls there is for something like the skill tree, but it's megabytes of operations every frame.

[fossil dock]

Thank you for such deep dive in problem

[proud igloo]

I spent a lot of time this fall polishing the new runtime up to be ready for production, including optimizing the rendering a lot.

[fossil dock]

Problem is really huge and grows with time

[proud igloo]

This work is amusingly enough only the start of it - as we'd like to have scalable UI, which means better font rendering and also a bit of international text rendering, which is a huge problem domain.

There's probably some aspects to it that I've completely forgotten about too.

Current PoB breaks hilariously with Chaos Golem of the Maelström ^_^

[fossil dock]

Because as I can understand PoE 2 will have similar problems in case of in-game build crafting system

[proud igloo]

But anyway - to address your original question.
My plan is to incrementally get the beta runtime into a releaseable state on Windows, shipping as the default runtime in all of PoB when it's cooked.

Local's statement in the reddit posts states that as well:

Check out the beta branch with the new rendering engine, it runs a bunch faster. We'll be adding more stuff to it this league then merge it into the main release when it's fully baked.

When that's the standard runtime for official PoB, it's way easier for someone to make and ship macOS versions of it, given that all the fuss around directory locations and updates and all that is handled.

There might be a future scheme where we can make automated builds that may or may not work, kind of like what APT does, or enable experienced third party packagers like the peeps who currently build upon pobfrontend to instead build on ours.

pobfrontend is going to run into some roadbumps when we start changing the API and add in resolution scaling and the 2D mesh drawing to support the graphics from newer tree versions.

Obsoleting them would make it easier to make further changes in the future.

[fossil dock]

Good news

[proud igloo]

In the end it comes down to two things - whether I can get this moped brain of mine to actually work and finish things, and what the wishes of the team is.

There's a ton of contributors to the Lua side of PoB, while on the runtime side it's a handful tops, among which I'm the only one to enact big change.

One thing that complicates it a lot for macOS is the whims of Apple.
You've seen all the trouble of getting downloaded Applications to launch properly over time as the OS changes beneath them. That's a constant threat to anyone that thought it to be a good idea once to ship for the platform.

Sonoma+1 could very well ruin everything and then we're there with our pants down having promised support; much like GGG 😉

[fossil dock]

:))) All performance problems always solves with more powerfull hardware...

I think that is GGG case...

[proud igloo]

I wonder where I left off, probably trying to make universal builds:

zao@Larss-Mac-mini integration % lipo -info libSimpleGraphic.dylib
Architectures in the fat file: libSimpleGraphic.dylib are: x86_64 arm64

[fossil dock]

I think you can switch to x86_64 console (Rosetta) and try again

[proud igloo]

Most of the build is properly universal, just don't remember if I had made it build everything like that from scratch or if it was manual munging together of two distinct builds.

The app was just Apple Silicon in September:

[brazen silo]

So why don’t you continue using it for development, and get a PC for games rather than upgrade to a be Mac? Just curious (I also use Mac for dev).

[fossil dock]

Because I travel and don't want to buy separate luggage for "gaming PC". You can advice me to buy gaming laptop but it's always to many tradeoff... or too heavy or to strange or good screen but bad keyboard or good keyboard but TN screeen and always it's one or two kg of power supply only...

Before M chips + GPTK win-laptop have sometimes advantages, but after... IMHO absolutely not, if keep in mind that I want develop something and some times play game.

[brazen silo]

I just always feel like Mac is just super not meant for games and that’s bumming. Nothing works and if it does then it runs very poorly.

[fossil dock]

Agree, but current situation much better, after apple release GTPK many games just start work.
But yes something like PoE or Cities Skyline require good native support... but current user count always on windows side 🙂

[brazen silo]

One of the reasons I got into this game is because, well it's good, but also it installed and worked pretty smoothly on Mac.

[fossil dock]

Seems like you new player... Or never try open legion under 2+ delirium...

[brazen silo]

New

You mean that it doesn’t run as smoothly when you’re high-level and there’s a lot of effect going on on the screen?

@fossil dock ?

[fossil dock]

yes, some times i get 10 fps on M1 max

[brazen silo]

Bummer.

I'll have to decide if I like the game enough to buy a PC.

[ivory cove]

Any suggestions for FPS and resolution drop with big pack pulls? Have new(ish) hardware and can run new games on 160+ FPS, all my settings are either default or low

[fossil dock]

drop shader cache

[ivory cove]

32 gigs of RAM
Game is on NVME hard drive

Ryzen 7 5700X processor

Radeon 6750 XT 12GB card

[ivory cove]

How do I do that?

[fossil dock]

Sorry, here is MacOS sanctuary

[ivory cove]

Ah thanks. I'm suprised they don't have a channel for Windows, LOL

[fossil dock]

All other chanell about windows )

[empty ginkgo]

Hello, trying to play poe on my mac, it has a 48 core gpu and 16 core cpu that I use primarily for work. However, poe runs very poorly on the CPU, dived into the settings and it seems that when I "get info" on the .app it is an (Intel) application. Is there a way to have this run on the native M1+ chips. Going through steam (tried going through GGG but same result.) Thanks!

Or maybe just some performace setting I can change would be a great help, I lag in performace around t16 maps with expeidition and legion mechs, other than that it runs at 60 frames.

[proud igloo]

There's no Apple Silicon build indeed, all Intel via Rosetta2.

[empty ginkgo]

hmmm interesting, makes sense why it kills the cpu times.

[fossil dock]

I think GGG never release silicon version

[proud igloo]

I would say that it probably doesn't matter too much, most macs aren't exactly the same class as a solid gaming PC, and having to go through MoltenVK doesn't help either.

[proud igloo]

Any decade now.

If you're hitting that kind of relatively OK performance, you're probably on the better side of current-era Mac users.

[fossil dock]

My M1 max today get 7-8 FPS on coward trial in full party...

and most load was on CPU... Not GPU

Important to note that it is without dynamic culling, because with culling performance worse

I think it's because more CPU load from culling...

[empty ginkgo]

Wow. thanks for all the feedback. Think I'm going to go back to geforce now, tried doing some maps and started crashing on mac. I just won't be able to use awakened poe trade 😦

[proud igloo]

On Windows there's some tooling that uses the Steam browser and a Google document to tunnel out data from a GFN client. It needs some local automation to drive the procedure and fake a PoE window for APT to read from.

[empty ginkgo]

is it possible to mimic that behavior on a mac?

[proud igloo]

Not sure if the platform provides enough functionality to manipulate inputs in the way needed - the one I think of is done via AutoIt: https://github.com/KloppstockBw/GFNPoEPriceCheck

[vivid osprey]

Hey guys I am gonna start playing the game but i need your advice in something, I dont have a PC!!! I have a ps5 and a mac m1 PRO. Which of both would you think will be better for me as a new player?

[trim kite]

I'm currently playing on my M1 Pro as well and it works well for me i haven't tried playing on PS5 though I'm really unsure how a game like this would translate to the controller. That said I do struggle with remembering to use my flasks and other skills that are off of my mouse I get buttons mixed up a lot and am not the best at moving back and forth between 1-4 and Q-T on the keyboard with my left hand.

Is anyone on mac using Awakened PoE Trade? I'm trying to get it set up but its crashing immediately when I open it.

[trim kite]

Hopefully PoE 2 will be better adjusted for apple silicon?

[lilac trail]

Awakened POE crashes immediately for me as well. You could try posting in the official forum thread on the GGG side but is generally unproductive.

[trim kite]

ugh thats unfortunate

[lilac trail]

The app is provided as is. It seems to be unsupported based on the lack of replies to the reported issue. You can try to compile it yourself. I tried and it didn’t work that way either. There is a website you can use to price stuff but of course that means changing screens. A small inconvenience but better than nothing

[fossil dock]

Possible fix for APT