linux-🐧

[azure breach]

All good! Hopefully they resolve it sooner rather than later

[steady summit]

I installed + run it through steam, got no issues with updates and stuff

[analog phoenix]

most likely fixed with this:

#ggg-tracker message

it also seemed to be a non linux specific issue

[brisk geode]

it does

[brazen fractal]

nice

[toxic wing]

After recent update this happens - anyone knows what causes this?

Garuda (Arch based) distro, Proton experimental

[toxic wing]

Swiched to Proton 8.x series and it seem to have fixed this issue right now

[brisk geode]

If i remember right this is a vulkan renderer error.

I think it was last league i had that error when a mesa update screwed something up and had to play on dx11 for a few days

[dull oriole]

Anyone here running Poe on linux? Specifically I’m interested in running in virtual box or qemu using GPU pass through

From what I’m reading it almost seems there is a native Linux client?

[brisk geode]

No native client, but using proton in steam, runs fine (depending on hardware)

[weak salmon]

Running it with proton in steam

[dull oriole]

I want to avoid having steam on my machine, anyone run it with GPU pass through?

Or maybe I can find a way to isolate the steam install somehow.

[weary drum]

you can use proton without steam

via lutris for example

[weak salmon]

Does it offer that?

[weak salmon]

Use Lutris, I've heard it works

Proton is probably more painless

And genuinely just really good

[compact marsh]

Isolate in which way

[weary drum]

i dont remember if lutris has proton runner installed by default so maybe you need to setup it first

[compact marsh]

Depending on what you need to do there are many ways to go about it

[weak salmon]

Can you run proton via Lutris without ever installing Steam?

[weary drum]

you can install proton without steam yes

[weak salmon]

And also use it?

[weary drum]

aside from lutris there are tools like portproton and some installscripts

i've used it on lutris for testing a year ago or so, i've also used portproton which iirc has autoinstaller for poe

[brazen fractal]

can anyone link me to the Path of Building Community Fork Flatpak? I cannot find the link again, Google is shitting its pants

[dull oriole]

Anyway, containers, cgroups, users, qemu, vbox. I just don’t want the steam client in my linux box. I don’t trust it, as I haven’t audited it and am not sure if it’s open source for Linux or not. Just haven’t done research. I’m very careful about things. I should honestly just build another gaming machine with windows, but I despise windows, or to be more specific, Microsoft.

[brazen fractal]

do any of you guys that use PoB CF run Wayland?

I managed to find the Flatpak and install it but it just gives me a black window and the UI never renders at all. I'm thinking its maybe a Wayland thing.

[compact marsh]

I mean I completely understand you. This is what I think could work:

• flatpaks could be fine for your use case and from what I remember you should be able to install them isolated on a user. That said, the flatpak itself should be audited.
• I don't think it is worth it to go through the hoops to try to install locally on a user unless you use a package manager like nix that can deal with it just fine. But the problems you could get are way bigger than the ones you would fix doing this.
• vm stuff could work with gpu passthrough (I recomment qemu if you want to go that way) but you would need to read a fair bit on how to do it and be prepared to sort out issues about seemingly missing libraries no one bothered fixing or renaming (on some distros).

Honestly, if you are really paranoid, you could consider installing windoes on another SSD and swapping it with the one in your PC, isolate it on the network. However, it is annoying.

I do not recommend dual booting at all, or having both SSD's in the same machine at the same time. If you can afford it, just consider making a separate machine.

[dull oriole]

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I think I’m going to go for a separate machine running Linux. I actually did the separate SSD route originally, but windows, the disease it is, clears the uefi entries so it’s annoying having to boot the arch usb to fix grub. I think a bios password could resolve that but not sure what nuisances that would impose.

Widows is gone now and I’m playing on a MacBook Pro m3 with a surprising amount of stability now. Might just do this until I’m ready to experiment more with Linux.

[weary drum]

running pob via wine on plasma/wayland, everything works including copy-paste

[brisk geode]

I am on wayland and installed the flatpak version and it runs fine

[dull oriole]

I just installed steam on arch, when I tried to install path of exile through the steam client, it says invalid platform.

[sharp maple]

Just throwing out a guess, did you enable Steam Play? Steam -> Settings -> Compatibility

[dull oriole]

I just set it for "all other titles"

Oh wow, it's installing. As someone who's been on Linux his whole life, this is a bit surreal.

[analog phoenix]

yea gaming has made huge leaps in the recent years. almost everything works right away due to proton

[weak salmon]

Doesn't this override Linux Native ports though

[sharp maple]

It does, you can change it in the game's steam preferences

[weak salmon]

Yeah thought so

[weak salmon]

I'd recommend just toggling it for individual games instead so you actually do get to play the Linux native ports for games that have one

It's, library, right click the title, properties, compatibility, click checkbox, iirc off the top of my head

[dull oriole]

Good to know, thanks

[weak salmon]

Since Linux native ports often boot up faster, and usually work better overall

[weak salmon]

You're welcome

[sharp maple]

Neat! I have faint memories of games not showing up in the library at all if they didn't have a native port

[weak salmon]

The one game I had to override the native port with proton is civ6 because the devs there make Linux users be a couple minor versions behind at all times, and strictly prohibits playing with any version difference, no matter how minor

[weak salmon]

The only time you do need to turn on the global setting is to add a demo to your library.
At least nowadays

Or is it called a demo in English? I forgot

Anyways, games that are saying that they haven't released properly yet

[weak salmon]

And you can turn it off after adding

[weak salmon]

I have a faint memory of needing to click something at some point to see non-native games in my library at some point

There is this small button now

But it doesn't seem to do anything?

Oh maybe because I had Steam Play for supported titles on

[dull oriole]

Well I installed and logged in after linking my steam account, would have preferred to login without any linking. Its spamming toast messages in bottom right for every poe achievement ever. Hate the social aspect of steam.

[weak salmon]

Which apparently I can't turn off? lol

[dull oriole]

I want to ditch anything steam related, I don't mind using steam to install games. I do mind it spamming me, starting itself, playing toasts and so on.

[weak salmon]

That is literally a one time thing

[dull oriole]

Right now I have FPS stutter severly though, I am hoping maybe the toasts are causing it

[weak salmon]

bro turn it off

if you hate it

And no, I did not know this setting existed

[dull oriole]

Yea I did, it doesn't allow choosing never, but that's fine

[weak salmon]

wut

[dull oriole]

Every 1 second of movement, my character pauses

Yea, it won't let me choose never, for some reason

[weak salmon]

try switching graphics, engine I think it's called

[weak salmon]

wdym starting itself?

[dull oriole]

What proton do you all use?

I am set to "experimental"

I have an rtx 4090 and amd 3990x

[weak salmon]

Well, if you want to play a game without putting a link you can remove at any time to your steam account, you'd have to not run the native steam port of the game, which you could, but eh

[weak salmon]

It's at experimental atm, but you could try different ones

anyways, gtg now

[sharp maple]

Experimental, try other renderers (Vulkan/DX12)

[weak salmon]

Right, renderer is what I meant

Forgot the name

[dull oriole]

Yea the frame stutter is pretty bad, not sure why

Do other renderers work on linux?

Performance metrics shows a good bit of cpu latency

but it's still under the 16.6ms budget

Sweet, disabled vsync, smooth as butter at 180 fps

thanks all for help, this is impressive and so nice, so glad I can run on linux

[wicked arch]

who has experience running PoB on linux?

random ssl error for some reason

oh
https://github.com/PathOfBuildingCommunity/PathOfBuilding/issues/2885

[stiff pumice]

cant progress past the belly of the beast in act 4
was playing in necropolis and now made a new account in standard
game crashes in the exact same location in the room after I defeat piety

linux issue or game issue in general?

I tried deleting and validating the game files, now just reinstalling game

[old yew]

Hey Folks, everytime i start PoE i get an error "out-of-range adapter index", alrdy tried reinstalling, deleting config file etc.
Someone an idea?

Tried different proton version

[old yew]

found the issue, was a driver problem

[brisk geode]

Seems like a general issue https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3532077/page/1

[stiff pumice]

thanks

I found a workaround, as soon as the bossfight ends I used a portal scroll to teleport
then came back again and game didnt crash

[sharp maple]

I had that happen to my PoB install too. I ended up backing up my builds and reinstalling in Lutris. Works fine since then, no idea what was the cause

[visual lake]

My PoB installation in Lutris does not work at all, what are your settings?

[sharp maple]

I don't recall needing to adjust anything when I reinstalled it. Manjaro, xfce, Community Fork from https://lutris.net/games/path-of-building/

[visual lake]

Oh that is interesting, I'm running on Ubuntu and I had to change the settings to make it run in a window for it to run at all to begin with

[visual lake]

I tried installing this one instead and just update it to the latest version and it worked!

[dull oriole]

So how does Linux fair historically with new big patches? Can I expect to be able to play Friday or is there a bug fixing cycle?

[fading topaz]

Should work normally

They don't make special builds for Linux, since it's all through wine/proton

There's been the odd time a quick patch comes out on protonGE, but I don't recall that happening in a while

[weak salmon]

Fare*
You can expect to be able to play on Friday.

I just run proton experimental and it just works

Though at some point in the past I remember I had to try a couple lower protons before it worked

[dull oriole]

Cool I’m excited, having a lot of fun playing and doing it on Linux is liberating.

[scarlet shell]

Haven't run into any issues the past 3 leagues myself

[opaque snow]

so, I'm just now on Linux and I need to set some color profiles for my monitors - what's the best way to go about doing that? I'm on Nobara 40, KDE with an Nvidia GPU

[weak salmon]

I'd recommend asking in a discord where most people actually use Linux

You'll probably have better luck elsewhere with generic Linux questions

[opaque snow]

fair. any idea how to disable triple buffering without getting an ErrorDeviceLost exception crash?

i tried to disable it through a launch option vk_x11_override_min_image_count=2 %command%

[craggy pendant]

Are you able to import saved hideout right now on Linux? I'm troubleshooting if my issue is os based or if it's something more specific to my client / setup

[cold cloak]

for linux, for my part i ma undre manjara, you need stema and wine/proton. for graphic, i have a radeon VII AMD , i use vulkan, but yo may configure sync and option ine video for your video. diret X 13 seems possible, you could have troobleshoot direrct X13.

[twin sphinx]

hey can you help me evertime i close the game my settings not saving

i search like 5days for it xD

[weak salmon]

I haven't tried right now right now, but last time I did was only a couple leagues ago and it worked fine. What step are you stuck on

[weak salmon]

You did close with the in-game menu, right?

[twin sphinx]

i try it both with close and with open no works

[weak salmon]

I don't know what you're saying

[twin sphinx]

my eng is shit hahah

[weak salmon]

How did you close the game?

[twin sphinx]

in the menu

[latent zinc]

this is a linux channel im guessing this is one of those windows issues

[craggy pendant]

It worked earlier in necropolis league. Stopped either after the league ended or after the engine got updated towards the league's end.

After I click on Import button in hideout a menu opens, as normal.
Then, if I click "Cancel", the game crashes.
If I select a saved hideout file and then click "Open", the game also crashes. Doesn't matter which base hideout I'm in or which file I select

[weak salmon]

Oh, interesting. Yeah crashes for me too if I click open

[craggy pendant]

Yeah a friend tested it now on his windows machine and he got a crash as well

So it's not just a Linux issue this time

[cunning wraith]

Is it possible to use awakened poe trade with gamescope? Or theres no way to make it read your keyboard properly?

[edgy sierra]

I don't think you can make Awakened PoE trade shortcuts work with Gamescope. Gamescope is a Wayland compositor, and unless Gamescope copies KDE and violates* the Wayland standard to let shortcut keys through it probably won't ever work.

*I do not think KDE is in the wrong for letting the user opt out of the Wayland input restrictions, but it is technically counter to the spec.

[edgy sierra]

You would have to figure out what PoE is hooking into to determine the Linux = Forced Triple buffering logic. You might need to set the Wine/Proton registry to hide the Wine DLL exports, it might be driver string, or something else.

[cunning wraith]

i see, gamescope is really nice but it seems that it was made for steamdeck in mind only. The use case i see gamescope being a good thing to have for desktop game is when your games use no external controller and dont need anything outside of the game (aka tool like awakened)

[edgy sierra]

That is basically the gist of it. Gamescope was developed as a super lightweight compositor for the Steam Deck under gaming mode. It still works in other use cases because Wayland was developed with support for nested compositors in mind. It's not an accident that it works, but the desktop use case isn't really Gamescope's focus.

Do you have Intel Integrated graphics?

[coral vessel]

I'm getting this as well, trying to figure out if it's because I'm using an old driver (535.183.01)

[edgy sierra]

I guess double checking you've got the latest driver version is the only thing I can suggest. I'm sitting in queue with my AMD Gpu right now, so it's not something intrinsic to proton/AMD.

[coral vessel]

Works with an updated driver on my side (updated to 550)

[edgy sierra]

They have an Nvidia card, just happened to have the same error as you.

[coral vessel]

Yea, not sure if it's the same cause. I only had to install it through apt-get install nvidia-driver-550

[weak salmon]

Working fine for me

[steady summit]

were you able to fix it ? I'm just getting the same error

Fix for those who don't have it yet : Search for production_Config.ini -> search renderer_type, swap Vulkan for DirectX11

holy shit dx11 is terrible

[frail basalt]

Does anyone got a fix for the vulkan error?

[frail basalt]

How did you get last version? I'm currently on 535 for nvidia driver

How do you change to DX11 in a Steam installation?

[steady summit]

.

[frail basalt]

Mines shows empty

oh god :C

[steady summit]

ah

i had multiple files with the same name

look through whole system tho

[frail basalt]

So there's a problem with vulkan then

[coral vessel]

You can install it through the command I mentioned, I think it may be a ubuntu metapackage though so that might not work on debian

[frail basalt]

Yeah I have debian and there's no package available

Welp, I would try to change to DX11

and play with it

I will try reinstalling the game

Nothing works

[frail basalt]

didn't work either

[weary drum]

btw running on vulkan with non steam proton atm, no issues on amd

[honest kite]

Search came up empty :(

On system

i get this too, no solution yet. can't find production_Config.ini

found it, working now :)

[mild narwhal]

Anyone having any issues on the deck in terms of refunding passive skill points?

Im unable to actually refund skill points using my controller buttons for my steam deck

[proven bolt]

Yes

Me too

No idea when it's getting fixed

@mild narwhal

[brazen fractal]

What renderer do you guys use?

just native Vulkan or DX11/12 with VKD3D?

also is anyone unable to copy paste with PoB run via Wine/Proton?

[brazen fractal]

its a good thing that PoB allows importing with a pobb.in link

otherwise the only way to import a build would be to manually typing out that several hundred character long string lol

[brazen fractal]

anyone else getting any vk::Device::waitForFences: ErrorDeviceLost crashes?

my gpu is running at a very chilly 60c and my at most only 4gb of my 78gm of VRAM is being used

so i don't think its a hardware thing

gonna try switching from Proton Experimental to 9.0-2 i guess

[nova bronze]

Yuri — I’d try the newer GE-proton-9.x releases, 9.2+ have all been very stable for me

you can easily install them with the tool protonup-ng

[spring merlin]

anyone having issues with ctrl+scroll not working in awakened poe trade? im on nobara kde using nvidia and wayland. also im running karousel which may have something to do with this but idk

[spring merlin]

i was having this issue at league start but not anymore. i saw some stuff online about it being due to shader compiling so it might just resolve over time? not entirely sure

[brazen fractal]

Can I launch GE proton through Steam?

[brisk geode]

yes

[fresh jacinth]

On booting PoE
Exception--
vk::createInstanceUnique: ErrorExtensionNotPresent

I tried activating proton and using various builds but non worked.

Thoughts?

[midnight spruce]

I believe this is a driver issue. or driver version. I have the same issue on debian 12 with the repo drivers.

it provides version 535. I think we need 550+

trying the nvidia.com driver install now

someone a few days ago said they installed on debian 12 with 'nvidia-driver-550'. i haven't figured out how to do that.

[fresh jacinth]

Im running AMD = (
I will have to look into drivers though.

[midnight spruce]

ah. yeah, maybe there is a later one than what you have. everything worked ok before 3.25 and other steam games are fine.

doing manual update to nvidia 550.100 on debian 12 got me past that instance/vulkan error ❤️

[midnight spruce]

Does anyone know how to run awakened PoE trade with the steam version of PoE? I have tried adding the portable version as a non-steam game...doesn't seem to work.

[formal hare]

Hi, how can I get PoE Overlay working?
I use Manjaro (Arch based) and run PoE from Steam with Proton.
Overwolf fails to launch installer
And Community fork Installs under Wine, but It seems it's not starting.
EDIT: After some more search in channel, I use KDE Plasma and it seems it just might not be compatible.

[craggy pendant]

I use kde neon (x11) and awakened poe trade + steam poe. Don't remember anymore what I had to do to make it work, but nothing too complex. I think it had to do with the composer treating the game differently?

[fiery flame]

The problem I've run into with Awakened POE Trade (assuming that's the overlay you're referring to) is that it uses features that are exclusive to X11-based display managers, and lots of environments have been moving to the more-actively-developed Wayland stack. The developer of Awakened POE has stated that they don't think a direct port to Wayland is possible: https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade/issues/1137#issuecomment-1789211789

I've been getting around this by launching it in my browser, which opens a tab in my browser that emulates the overlay. It's not perfect, but I'm able to check prices and whatnot.

[frail basalt]

I Run my awakened poe trade by just executing it with ./Awakened Poe Trade.AppImage from terminal

[frail basalt]

So it is a driver issue then, I'm currently running linux mint debian edition 6, I would try to upgrade to 550.100, did you managed to install it just downloading from Nvidia download site?

[midnight spruce]

it was a little more complex. I had to fully remove all nvidia packages (not just the driver package), set multi-user, reboot. install the nvidia.com stuff and sign the module with my MOK key. There was a section about this in the debian nvidia wiki.

Reboot. set graphical target. Reboot. Blast maps.

[frail basalt]

Sounds like complicated, I will try that out eitherway

[edgy sierra]

Anyone on AMD still having the vkerror::ExtensionNotPresent should make sure amdvlk is not installed. You want the mesa drivers (vulkan-radeon, lib32-vulkan-radeon on arch based systems).

[coral vessel]

I switched to my Kubuntu install when I did it, nvidia-driver-550 is a ubuntu metapackage (https://packages.ubuntu.com/noble/nvidia-driver-550).

Regular linux mint probably has it, but I would assume LMDE doesn't.
I wanted to go back to debian and I also had to uninstall 535 to install 550 manually

[midnight spruce]

thanks for the feedback. the manual nvidia 550 install wasn't too bad on a regular debian install. the debian wiki has good info and the nvidia.com installer helps with signing the module and dkms.

[fresh jacinth]

I have that same issue and it might be a driver issue like the NVIDIA users. I have not done anything as of yet because most game Devs get logs from Steam or their game when it failes to boot.

Kinda just waiting a week to see if it gets rooted out and if not ill be looking into other options.
This is the first ever issue with PoE I have ever had and I am hoping for the best = )

[fading topaz]

Something you could try, though I'm not sure if it will make a difference, is to set the game to use DX12 backend instead of vulkan directly

[fresh jacinth]

That might be possible
That is a very excellent thought = )

[compact marsh]

Isnt there an x compatibility layer on wayland

[fading topaz]

The compatibility layer doesn't add support for the features wayland doesn't have

[gentle silo]

I share my experience. I am playing PoE in its latest version from Heroic Launcher. I rescued my installation from my old Windows PC (not the Steam version) and it has been updating smoothly. I'm using Proton version 8.26 GE directly from Heroic. My distribution is Linux Mint 21.3 with an AMD 5700x CPU and an AMD 6700 xt GPU.

[fresh jacinth]

I did not know that this "Heroic Games Launcher" was a thing.
Ty for showing me something new and possibly fixing a issue for the rest of us = )

[frail basalt]

I think that AMD GPU drivers doesn't have the vulkan problem that Nvidia does, that's a good thing about AMD tho

[fresh jacinth]

On Debian I can say that both the Steam default exe and the x64 versions of the file dont work and the same error exists.

If it continues then I will likely be downloading Heroic Games Launcher and playing that way even though it is extra work.

[frail basalt]

I managed to install Nvidia Drivers 550.107 (I think it's the latest one for my GPU) and the vulkan error is gone

And everything works as it should

I followed this guide (Btw, I'm using Linux Mint LMDE 6) https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/debian-ubuntu-linux-mint-nvidia-guide/ everything worked as expected, I didn't have any issues at all. The guide is a little bit old, but the process is the same

[slate talon]

Nice but also linux mint xd

[latent zinc]

does it help the linux community to make fun of distros

[fresh jacinth]

Not just Linux mint, any debian based distro can use that workaround.

[slate talon]

I know that but I'm just saying that I dislike it because it's a unofficial flavor of Linux so it adds updates that aren't needed and can slow performance

[twin sphinx]

my trade macro not open the menu how i fix it

[brazen fractal]

how could you possibly expect anyone to help you with that amount of info lol

Also does anyone else have the issue of APT not allowing you to select/filter stats when you are price checking in the browser version when the --no-overlay launch parameter is used?

[opaque snow]

what is the filter location for us under wine?

i need to install sounds and it's being a pain in the ass to find

[fading topaz]

for steam install its drive_c/users/steamuser/Documents/My Games/Path of Exile

[opaque snow]

where?

nevermind i found it

thank you ❤️

[rapid skiff]

"unofficial flavor of linux"

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-wat-wut-gif-16165693567743102551

[azure breach]

I'm curious to know the official flavours

Chocolate? Strawberry?

[rapid skiff]

mine tastes like a lizard

[slate talon]

That's what they are called

[slate talon]

That's the official definition for derivatives of Linux

[fading topaz]

derivatives of what though? I've literally never heard that before

[slate talon]

Of linux

linux isn't just one singular working operating system it has multiple variations

The officials ones work on preformance the unoffical usually push out updates that ruin them and makes it unstable

hence why i said i disliked it saying its a unofficial flavor

its what they call its distributions...

[fading topaz]

Ok I'm really curious now. Which ones do you consider to be 'official'?

[slate talon]

The one's that are maintained and supported by canonical

[fading topaz]

Oh... Oh dear god. No. Not at all

Canonical is responsible for Ubuntu

Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian

[slate talon]

i can't word correctly

[fading topaz]

Totally understand, particularly if there's a language barrier

[slate talon]

let me reword it as a whole

So linux has many distros yes? and upon those it has different flavours so those distros have official and unofficial flavours ones that are supported by the original distros and ones that aren't the one's that are supported by the original maintain support and push updates that maintain it and push for performance the one's that aren't such as linux mint usually push out updates that make it unstable and makes it worse so what i meant to do is use Ubuntu as a example it has different flavours such as Kubuntu Ubuntu MATE Ubuntu Budgie that are maintained by canonical and supported by it so what I meant the offical flavours are ones that the makers support and maintain themselves

But the unofficial ones are ones they are not responsible for and do not help with it so its not their product so not their responsibility

so there isn't one official distro but there are official flavours

cause flavours are based off the distros

That make sense??

[fading topaz]

I think I understand what you're saying, though I'd not agree with using the word 'official'. What you're describing are distributions that either have a financial backing, or a large community backing. This makes me wonder whether you consider Arch to be an 'official' distro

I think many would also disagree with you that Mint, not being maintained by Canonical, makes it less stable and performant

[slate talon]

as said there are no offical distros as said by the offical linux maker but those distros have offical flavours

The line for linux users to choose a official distro is way too divided so it would just be personal preference

So there aren't official distros but there are official flavours

so since arch and ubuntu have deviated so much from the source material they would be considered distros

but since mint is doesn't deviate as much it is considered a flavour

[slate talon]

I do get that but its the truth sadly because mint is relatively stable i can't say much about its performance aspect

You have anymore questions?

[rapid skiff]

Linux is not an OS, it's a kernel.

No distro or flavour is official, some are made by random companies and some are made by individuals.

[slate talon]

Well yes I meant that

[rapid skiff]

The main focus of the companies that create distros is not performance, they aim to create a similar/stable ecosystem for their customers, to improve performance usually you need to apply custom kernels.

with GNU core utils or any other base packages

[slate talon]

Well yes but there are official flavors for the distros

Which are the ones maintained and supported by the orginal distro

[rapid skiff]

No company is official to Linux, the Linux foundation is independent from them.

[slate talon]

Do you...

sigh

Okay as stated before and is official there are no official linux distros but those distros can have official flavors

As stated beforehand

Debian has said there are no official distros

And the wide preference is to divided

But the flavors of those distros have unofficial and official ones

So say Ubuntu

I stated the ones that are supported by canonical (the provider of ubuntu)

Linux mint isn't backed by them henceforth not official

[slate talon]

" the main focus of the companies that create distros is not performance" "for their customers to improve performance"

Okay I get that

Clearly

But you aren't even looking towards my point

They are made to for stable environments to have their customers improve performance yes

But unofficial flavors give updates that usually mess up that stable environment

So yes no distro is official

But the flavors of those distros

Are official or no official towards that distro

Hence saying orginal distro

So the orginal distro of Linux mint is ubuntu

[slate talon]

Which leads to harder upgraded performance

Do I need to clarify more?

[compact marsh]

Debian and Fedora based distros have some of the worst defaults I have seen for workstation use

[slate talon]

I agree

[zenith oar]

How is linux? I imagine struggling with all the little apps like Awakened POE trade etc?

[fading topaz]

For me, game works fine, Awakened Trade PoE works fine

Note the latter doesn't work with the newer Wayland compositor, only X11

[brisk geode]

Awakened trade does work on Wayland, just have to manually open the price search

[fading topaz]

Right yes. It's specifically the auto overlay that doesn't work, right?

[brisk geode]

Yeah, so you have to press shift-space to open it.

[slate talon]

Its fine you just need wine

in order to run stuff like that

[scarlet shell]

Awakened has a native Linux version.

There's also a Linux build of path of building on AUR. Though I just use wine since wine runs the windows version fine.

[craggy pendant]

The native Linux version is fine now (x11 here). Just need to do an extra alt-tab because of my composer settings or sth

[fading topaz]

It just won't work 100% on Wayland because there are specific functions it uses that are X11 specific. I too run both from the AUR directly just fine

[brisk geode]

It's only awakened that can get annoying by opening the trade search manually, Path of building works just fine in wayland. been using both for several years now

[heady violet]

hey, i might need some help from someone more experienced with making poe run under linux
the game is basically unplayable atm, graphs are looking like in the screen, loading into a zones takes ages, CPU seems to struggle a lot
ive already minimized all graphic settings settings however to no avail
im using ubuntu 22.04 and some pretty old hardware by todays standards:
AMD phenom ii x4 955
GeForce GTX 960
16 GB of RAM
a SSD tho
also im using Proton GE 8.32 and the Steam version
uptodate drivers and such

i would think there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere, game used to run at least somehow on my old windows distro even when on an old HDD with the same hardware otherwise
any pointer where i might have made a huge mistake? 😄

[weak salmon]

Did you try switching renderer

[heady violet]

im on vulkan atm

let me try dx12 tho, if that even works 😄

[weak salmon]

Always worth to try

It's the big magic fix button

[latent zinc]

damn i thought i had old hardware

[heady violet]

😄
anyway same problems with dx 11 and dx 12, with 11 being the worst
sounds is even stuttering so i might try my last straw and disable game sound i guess and see if that helps any, even tho i dont like that option atm

[compact marsh]

Have you taken a look at some in game settings like dynamic resolution and culling?

Apart from that you could try figuring out if your cpu has a microcode patch or something that might fix a race condition

But I really doubt

[heady violet]

yeah ive toyed with those already
ill check for microcode patches, thanks, to google i go 🙂

[compact marsh]

Maybe it is already installed

And they would usually come in the distro repo

[craggy pendant]

Have you given time for the shader cache to be built?

[fading topaz]

Yeah looks like shaders being the problem. It might help to launch the game with the --waitforpreload option

[odd crater]

anyone use awakened poe trade with KDE?

the icon shows up in the tray , and also the taskbar. is there anyway to get rid of it in the taskbar?

[odd crater]

oh man, this is nostalgic.. you are using my cpu i use to use 12+ years ago! sorry, but i dont think anything can help you. this isnt a linux issue. your cpu is so damn old.

i have strong memories of trying to overclock that thing to run arma 2 😆 i can only imagine how much worse it runs with linux. POE is not an easy game to run. it is one of the most CPU demanding games out there...really.

when is the last time you tried it on windows? the game became MUCH harder to run recently in the past year or two or so. they updated the engine lots and implemented all these new fancy particle effect systems from poe2. even my old ryzen 2600 couldnt keep up anymore.

[craggy pendant]

Yes, I use Awakened Poe Trade with KDE Neon; in my case the taskbar entry only shows up when I do a search or whatever, and is gone on an extra alt-tab.
However, I play on borderless fullscreen anyway so it doesn't matter much, except for that one extra alt tab

[odd crater]

hmm interesting. do you know if you are using wayland or x11?

[craggy pendant]

X11

[odd crater]

ah. maybe its a wayland issue then.

i use arch nvidia wayland

[craggy pendant]

NVidia here as well

Pob is fine for me, I only had an issue with the Notes section in it, text parsing works a bit weird. Or it used to, I haven't checked that part lately

Yeah playing poe on Linux feels great

Just some small weird things with awakened/pob

[craggy pendant]

Most likely

[heady violet]

oh well guess the moment finally came then 😄
maybe 9 months ago or so, just came back because melee seemed kinda nice again
thanks for the input 🙂

[noble lion]

When using Awakened POE on KDE I suggest to set "Focus stealing prevention" to None. It makes awakaned poe trade give focus back to PoE

[quiet matrix]

Anyone else having trouble with crashes or just me?
Been getting this error today everytime on login. Tried switching proton versions but nothing works. I can login on DX11, but it's not playable obviously.

Idk if it makes a difference but I have also gotten this one:

[fading topaz]

What GPU do you have

[quiet matrix]

GTX 1080

[fading topaz]

I assume you're using the proprietary nvidia drivers?

[quiet matrix]

yes, version 555.58.02

[fading topaz]

Out of curiosity, does this happen both with Vulkan and DX12?

[quiet matrix]

No, only Vulkan. But I have fixed the issue, it was because of the rune character effect you get for completing 24 challenges in Settlers. I unequipped it and now I can play again lol

[fading topaz]

Huh. Odd

[compact marsh]

Classic

I really wonder why it happens

[quiet matrix]

What a shame I like the effect

[fading topaz]

They might release a patch to fix it. Sounds like a bug with the effect

[quiet matrix]

Idk if they care if it only happens on Proton/Linux

[odd crater]

thanks that fixed the annoying issue where id have to click the poe window again after pricechecking

i still cant use awakened poe trade in borderless fullscreen window though. it doesnt show up. only works in windowed mode.

[mint oar]

i get this error opening up poe for the first time in cinnamon mint, what's this all about?

evidently i'm cursed because i'm also completely new to linux

[noble lion]

Oh, are you using auto-hide? (Ctrl+D) That never worked for me, I use Ctrl+Alt+D

[brisk geode]

Most likely the vulkan renderer, it has had some issues this League. Try dx11 or dx12 then switch back

[mint oar]

how can I set it to dx11 or dx12? i tried to find poe in the documents directory but it hasn't generated it yet since the game is freshly downloaded

[fading topaz]

What kind of graphics card do you have?

[mint oar]

trying to get poe to run on my laptop, it only has an integrated gpu sadly

i5-8250u, uhd graphics 620

[fading topaz]

Hmm. Not sure if that meets the minimum requirements

[craggy pendant]

current requirements (increased some time ago due to some engine updates)

[mint oar]

oooof, alright ty

[vagrant compass]

Hello! I am using Fedora to play and was trying to install Poe-Awakened, but i can't seem to figure out how to deal with appimage here

I am afraid that doing so could nuke my system... it seems like its trying to put something like an ISO image on the device?

[fading topaz]

How are you trying to run it?

You should be making it Executable, and then executing it

[vagrant compass]

Its marked, but now its not opening

[brisk geode]

you sure it's not open? look at the taskbar, it does not open a gui

[vagrant compass]

Yeah def its not opening anything

But it seems to be doing something on the background

[fading topaz]

It's open. You can see the taskbar icon

Note it's an overlay for the game. You won't see it unless the game is running

[vagrant compass]

The icon on the right side is the Terminal

[fading topaz]

sorry, meant tray icon

[vagrant compass]

Hm, it does't seem to be working locally. Just in browser

[fading topaz]

If you are on a Wayland session (which I believe Fedora defaults to) it probably won't do the overlay properly

[vagrant compass]

Kek

And it seems that on the next updates Fedora is trying to get rid of x11 if i remember well

what a tragedy

wellp it seems like id have to do it with browser open

it carries the same functionality right?

or has some locked functions

[fading topaz]

should be the same

[vagrant compass]

thank you very much sir

have a great day

[brisk geode]

After you click ctrl+d to price check, press shift+space and it should open your search over the game

[brisk geode]

It sometimes take a couple of tries, but it does work

[vagrant compass]

Will try, thank you very much

[pastel owl]

hey, maybe dumb question but is it better to use awakened peo trade git in AUR or use the appimage? From what I can see the aur version is up to date (wayland)

[fading topaz]

If you're using Arch, always use AUR over an appimage (unless the AUR package isn't working for some reason)

the whole point of using the AUR is so that all your packages are maintained by 1 system

[pastel owl]

Bless you, thanks for the info

Do I download -bin or -git?

[fading topaz]

probably the -bin

It's what I'm using

[pastel owl]

the bin is on a later version as well, ill go with that then

[fading topaz]

not quite

any package you see as a -git will pull directly from the main branch of the repository hosting the source, then build it on your machine. The package itself won't get updated unless the build process changes (or something else needs modifying in the package data)

a -bin package usually downloads a pre-built version of a package, then unpacks it for you. These have to get updated manually as new releases come out

[fresh jacinth]

Below is a work around to beat the instancing error issue most are having and the other is a fix that worked for a NVIDIA user. I hope this re-post helps some of you till PoE fixes things = )

𝓐𝘽𝙖𝙪𝙚𝙧 — 07/30/2024 8:31 AM
I share my experience. I am playing PoE in its latest version from Heroic Launcher. I rescued my installation from my old Windows PC (not the Steam version) and it has been updating smoothly. I'm using Proton version 8.26 GE directly from Heroic. My distribution is Linux Mint 21.3 with an AMD 5700x CPU and an AMD 6700 xt GPU.

Vala — 07/30/2024 10:08 PM
I managed to install Nvidia Drivers 550.107 (I think it's the latest one for my GPU) and the vulkan error is gone
And everything works as it should
I followed this guide (Btw, I'm using Linux Mint LMDE 6) https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/debian-ubuntu-linux-mint-nvidia-guide/ everything worked as expected, I didn't have any issues at all. The guide is a little bit old, but the process is the same
If Not True Then False
Install NVIDIA [560.28.03 / 555.58.02 / 550.107.02 / 535.183.01 / 4...
This is guide, howto install NVIDIA proprietary drivers (manually using .run files) on Debian Sid / 12 / 11 / 10, Ubuntu 24.04 / 23.10 / 22.04, Linux Mint 21.3 / 21.2 / 21.1 / 21 / 20.3 / 20.2 / 20.1, LMDE 4 and disable Nouveau driver. This guide works with GeForce 8/9/200/300/400/500/600/700/800/900/10/20/30/40 series cards. This is alternative...

Hoping PoE fixes the issues soon 🤞

[fading topaz]

I'm confused... is the fix for some Vulkan issue "install the latest Nvidia drivers"?

[craggy pendant]

Amazing, this has solved my issue! Thank you 👏

(for X11 alt-tab woes)

[gloomy imp]

love the look of your terminal man

[vagrant compass]

Thank you very much sir. You can use a couple of themes resembling it with CoolRetroTerm. Avialable in most of softwares stores on Linux, and if not, on github to compile

My current theme is the Commodore one. But there's a couple more there.

[gloomy imp]

I would love to but i switched back to Windows couple weeks ago..

but that terminal is luring me back ngl

[vagrant compass]

Kekw, yeah. I also have a kernel-manager with a similar theme, the fallout one

The only thing remaining for Gnome is getting rid of that ugly login

ssdm seems like a pain

And it also works with macOS, just in case

[gloomy imp]

and then we have a BORING Windows os

with almost no customizations and no privacy lol

[vagrant compass]

Well yes, but its more plug and run without having to tweak things too much

[gloomy imp]

yeah, thats why I use it. Convenience

I was trying to get into the linux world but just gave up lol

[vagrant compass]

To me the reason to switch was performance problems. I have a pretty decent pc. But windows was giving me headaches.
Just installed Linux and puuff, they are all gone

[vagrant compass]

That's sad

I haven't encountered many problems. The only things that maybe pulls me back is playing CoD with my friends. But yeah, i prefer my Linux system rn than playing CoD

[gloomy imp]

I might try it again someday. Downloading some programming tools and stuff like that is much better there

And also some arent even available on Windows

[vagrant compass]

Oh yes. Software stores like Fedora ones makes everything so much easier to install, maybe easier than Windows

Just click-run

[gloomy imp]

the breaking point for me was trying to install some C++ libraries, I was just unable to install them correctly on linux

but thats just me being stupid ig

spoiler: I failed installing them on Windows too and gave up on C++ all together xdd

[vagrant compass]

KEK. Same, everytime i have to install something i have to navigate like 2 or 3 documentation pages and try like 5 o 6 times

[vagrant compass]

LOL

You should check if you switch to linux again a package that uses those libraries you want

And install that program, it will pull all the libraries you need

[gloomy imp]

Im coding in python right now

its easier and for me as a beginner programmer is a good gateway to get into the more complicated stuff later on

in my opinion

Tho learning C is tempting for me, wanna try some low level lang

but it can wait like a year lol

[vagrant compass]

Personally i love python. It's good on beginner and advanced level its definetely worth learning

I wish you luck in your journey sir

[gloomy imp]

Thanks man, same to u, whatever your journey is!

[odd crater]

anyone playing poe kde plasma?

[odd crater]

oh that works in borderless fullscreen on kde plasma. wonder why the usual ctrl+d doesnt. so it doesnt work on kde plasma for you too?

[brisk geode]

Normal ctrl+d does not work due to something with the overlay. If you use ctrl+d you have to use shift+space after to manually open it

[obtuse tulip]

does poe work well on fedora kde wayland proprietary nvidia?

[brisk geode]

yeah it should

[cyan yoke]

Hi, I'm new to Linux (using Lime) and haven't played PoE in a few years, but having trouble getting FilterBlade set up. The problem is that the download location from the website allows me to browse all my file locations, but the game defaults to a path that doesn't look like it exists and the file browser on my desktop only lets me view those within the "Home" folder--doesn't allow me to see C: drive or anything at that level or above

[fading topaz]

The easier way is to login to filterblade with your PoE account, which will upload/sync it to your character directly

[cyan yoke]

I don't even remember what that login might be, lol

[fading topaz]

then... how are you playing the game?

Through steam?

[cyan yoke]

I mean for FilterBlade

Yes

[fading topaz]

You don't need a separate filterblade login. Just login to the PoE website with your Steam account, then login to filterblade with PoE account. It's all using Steam login at that point

[cyan yoke]

I'll try that

[weary drum]

btw seems like game\system had a chance for hard freezes on plasma\wayland with igpu on amd

[cyan yoke]

Is there something like Awakened POE Trade for Lime, or a way to get it to work on Lime?

[fading topaz]

What's 'Lime'?

[dull oriole]

Anyone here able to get awakened poe to run on Linux? I'm running arch / LXDE.

I am able to execute it, but when I see the "Awakened POE is running" thing, it then turns my path of exile screen black until I close it. This happens under Windowed mode, full screen, windowed full screen.

[fading topaz]

Odd. You might need to have it run through browser. Sounds like LXDE is having an overlay issue

[dull oriole]

I didn't know it ran in browser, ill check it out

I strace'd it and rm -rf some existing .{config,cache}/awakened dirs and now it works, or loads at least. But it seems a little buggy maybe. Is there a way to enlarge it? When I try price check it seems to be offset to the right a good bit and it's generally really small, might have something to do with my really large monitor

[noble lion]

You might need to enable/install X11 compositor?

[craggy shuttle]

Hi guys, I am on Wayland(Hyprland) and cant paste from my clipboard to the game running via Steam(Proton Experimental). The game seems to be having some kind of separate internal clipboard tho, because I can copy text within the game and paste it within the game, but it doesnt get put into my system clipboard. I am using wl-clipboard alongside clipse, if that helps with anything. Can anyone please help me? It is painful to write regex by hand inside the game 😄

Edit:
I got it working with 'xclip -sel clip "file_with_regex" '
If anyone encounters this issue, just bind this command to a keybind of your choice and you can paste into PoE with it.
'wl-paste | xclip -sel clip'

[fading topaz]

Yeah that's because the game is running through XWayland

[weak salmon]

Yeah I've never had issues pasting stuff just playing through Steam Proton normally

So it's not the game itself that has a separate clipboard

[formal hare]

Hi, I am running PoE in Proton Experimental and on NVidia card, does it matter if I run under Vulkan or DX12? (for example a difference in performance or stability)

[fading topaz]

In theory Vulkan is more performant, as it doesn't have to go through a compatibility layer

You're welcome to try both

[weak salmon]

In practice you should always try both

[fresh jacinth]

Steam proton DX12 compatibility argument for Linux.. Any one know what it is?

Looked for a bit and didn't find anything relevant.

[fading topaz]

As in, why to use DX12 over Vulkan?

Well, in theory, the compatibility layer will ultimately be converting DX12 to Vulkan anyways, but the resulting calls to the GPU are different. I'd be possible to get different performance due to this difference, though that will depend mostly on the Vulkan interpreter (drivers through mesa, etc.) along with what GPU it's being run on

[timber hinge]

For some reasone using option Vulkan in game settings more unstable than DX12 option, in case of game crashes

[cyan yoke]

I'm trying to run APoETrade, but the hotkeys do nothing. I'm in windowed fullscreen. When I r-click the app from the system tray and try to open the config file, it says "not found."

I open the browswer and it lets me change stuff around, but it does nothing in game.

[brisk geode]

shift+space does not open the settings menu in game ?

[cyan yoke]

No. I don't know if it's because Linux can't read the file, if part of that file might be missing, if it's some other process, etc. It just doesn't work.

[brisk geode]

are you using the appimage?

[cyan yoke]

I don't know. I'm new to Linux.

[elfin furnace]

which linux distribution are you on @cyan yoke ? is it using wayland or x11 to render?

[cyan yoke]

Ubuntu/Wine/Lime -- Not sure about the technical side of it. My cousin helped me set it up.

[elfin furnace]

wayland and x11 are two ways of rendering the windows you see on the computer. x11 is the old way that many things still use and many still develop for. wayland is the newer way which fixes a lot of technical debt and security issues that x11 has. issue with wayland is that its security model is much more rigid, it restricts one window interacting with another window very heavily, which is what I am assuming is happening to you. maybe wrong but worth looking into.

https://github.com/SnosMe/awakened-poe-trade/issues/1137
https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1c86pk5/using_awakened_poe_trade_with_ubuntu_wayland/

i would confirm if you are using wayland and if you are, i would swap to x11 and see if it's functioning

[cyan yoke]

How do I check which one it uses?

[analog phoenix]

in your terminal:
echo "$XDG_SESSION_TYPE"

[cyan yoke]

It says x11

[honest sail]

Hi guys, which distro you plaing on?

[analog phoenix]

what exactly did you download and how did you execute it

[analog phoenix]

are you asking for a specific reason or just out of interest?

[honest sail]

I will install it on my machine to test it out

im familiar with debian/ubuntu/popos/centos/rhel/oracle

[analog phoenix]

looks like you didnt look into the arch family yet. like manjaro or endeavor. or just plain arch if you dont mind setting up everything yourself.

to answer your question: manjaro

[weak salmon]

Kubuntu

[honest sail]

im not sure but so far its running better then on win11

only need to figure out when he keeps filters

ok found it

[cyan yoke]

I'll have to check when I get home

[cyan yoke]

I got it here

I tried the Win10 one, but it doesn't just natively work.

I don't know what I need to use the AppImage version

[honest sail]

I just execute it and it works, but you need to right click ok icon and chose open in browser, overlay like in windows is not working

aim super amazed how food is it working on linux, only from time to time looks like right click is stoping working and cant figure out what is this issue

and need to restart mahine

[brisk geode]

Download the appimage version. once downloaded right click the file, go to properties, then click permissions at the top, click the check mark at is executable.
then should be able to launch it

[rapid skiff]

When did they release a Linux AppImage?

[cyan yoke]

This did it. Thanks.

[brisk geode]

Years ago

[cold cloak]

Hello i use during many months Awakened Poe trade, i get error error [cors-proxy] net::ERR_BLOCKED_BY_CLIENT now. if i launch brower (local call direct localhost), it work. how to fix it ? thx

i am under manjaro , and i (re)compile from yay. All time i set 20 ( instead of 16 ) to get version .

[cold cloak]

if you instll set english . dont forget , and see config .

[fading topaz]

Are you using Wayland?

[cold cloak]

if you instll set english . dont forget

[cold cloak]

no under X11

[cold cloak]

i saw that all sections for league doesn t appears, i saw only settlers. May be open config wrong ? anyone could send to me ?

[pastel owl]

What is the best tool to allow me to rebind left click to scroll wheel? I've tried input remapper, but it feels sluggish and delayed, unlike the rapid left clicking of streamers.

[shrewd pewter]

I wonder if xmodmap can be used to not just reassign buttons (e.g., left handed people having left click be right click), but also be used to repace scroll up and down with left click ...

[shrewd pewter]

well xmodmap wasn't liking repeats of the same button for inputs, I could just be ignorant though ...

messing with xinput and seeing if I can remap with that ...

[shrewd pewter]

Your device could be different, but this worked on my machine (Linux pop-os 6.9.3-76060903-generic) ... worked in game on my machine flawlessly ... I see myself building a small script to bind to F8 or something where it'd toggle between scroll == click and scroll != click. But that's for when I'm not at work ...

xinput list # out your devices, my mouse in id=9
# ⎡ Virtual core pointer                        id=2    [master pointer  (3)]
# ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer                  id=4    [slave  pointer  (2)]
# ⎜   ↳ SteelSeries SteelSeries Rival 110 Gaming Mouse    id=9    [slave  pointer  (2)]
# ⎜   ↳ USB-HID Keyboard Mouse                      id=13    [slave  pointer  (2)]
# ⎣ Virtual core keyboard                       id=3    [master keyboard (2)]

xinput list --long 9 # just double checking :)
# SteelSeries SteelSeries Rival 110 Gaming Mouse    id=9    [slave  pointer  (2)]
#     Reporting 7 classes:
#         Class originated from: 9. Type: XIButtonClass
#         Buttons supported: 10
#         Button labels: "Button Left" "Button Middle" "Button Right" "Button Wheel Up" "Button Wheel Down" "Button Horiz Wheel Left" "Button Horiz Wheel Right" "Button Side" "Button Extra" "Button Forward"
#         ... etc.

# `get-button-map` actually isn't part of the man page
# only found it because I looked at source: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/xinput/-/blob/master/src/xinput.c?ref_type=heads#L56 ... bla
xinput get-button-map 9 # what device with id 9 is mapped with
# 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 

# https://man.archlinux.org/man/xinput.1#set-button-map
xinput set-button-map 9 1 2 3 1 1 6 7 8 9 10 # sets wheel up and down to left click
xinput set-button-map 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 # sets things back to where they were

Emphasis, your mouse might have a different ID and map of buttons (e.g., you mouse might have more or less buttons on it than mine) ... but if you're hacker-y this might suffice what you're looking for ...

[pastel owl]

Hey sorry for the late reply and thanks for the help. Issue is I'm on Wayland which is really finicky when it comes to input remapping. What I did is in a VM I just setup the rebind in synapse and saved it on the onboard device and it works perfectly.

[shrewd pewter]

No worries, thanks for the question ... finally got me to figure out how to use scroll to click myself, just been using normal click for my just over 1,000 hours played. Finally can "enjoy the game more" 🙃 plus monkeying around with some niche linux stuff isn't ever too bad of a exercise

[analog phoenix]

Hey, I want to add a linux section to #1264574664676606073. I was thinking about writing about the topics:

• standalone installation (lutris, manually with wine, steam)
• file locations of stuff like config files and logs
• community tools like awakened poe trade and pob
  • installation
  • linux specific problems/workarounds
  • limitations due to wayland

I'm looking for some opinions on my topics, ideas for other topics, issues that you've encountered (and maybe solved) and anything else that you want to add.

[weak salmon]

Wine*
First point that should be said is that Steam Proton is a good choice if you don't hate Steam. Steam proton can also be used to run the community tools. I haven't tried the latter myself, but others have and that worked just fine.

[analog phoenix]

yea. i didnt list it here because the installation via steam is trivial. should still mention it though

[weak salmon]

Indeed

[fading topaz]

Not sure if it'd fit into this guide specifically, I know some people aren't aware of the limitations for overlays if using Wayland

[analog phoenix]

yea im planning to add that. i think its fairly important to mention

[fading topaz]

General stuff like installation/log paths on Linux.... hmmm...

[analog phoenix]

can also be pretty specific. it just has to be related to poe in some way

[fading topaz]

Dono if mentioning gamemode is relevant. I don't use it personally

[analog phoenix]

never heard about that before. ill take a look

[shrewd pewter]

When PoE1 did their update to the graphics engine that shipped, I did look into some of the logs. Which I have PoE1 installed via steam and the command line flags you can add to the configuration of the application helped write logs to specific places.

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton?tab=readme-ov-file#runtime-config-options

PROTON_LOG=1 is a flag to add so that logs even get written.

PROTON_LOG_DIR=/path/to/wherever/ to put the log file where you'd like it.

However, I also have steam installed with the .deb rather than using flatpak ... dealing with flatpaks isn't something I was too keen on monkey'ing around with (mainly how they isolate the directory where things are installed I'm just not familiar with). But that might be too far beyond the scope of PoE1 troubleshooting and more how you decide to install / use your *nix box to do things.

(I run PopOS as for my main rig and Debian for everything else that has a baremetal install)

[soft hamlet]

graphics settings for laptop ? I am running on Ubuntu 24.04. I have 16gb ram and a 3060ti mobile. Vulkan.

I am facing micro-stutters after I got cloak of flame equippd

[analog phoenix]

are you sure it is related to cloak of flame? can you test if they still appear without it?
otherwise see recommended settings here #1264574664676606073

[soft hamlet]

turning off vsync solved the issue.

i used the recommended settings + POE defaults with vsync turned off.

[left veldt]

Anyone having issues with awaken Poe crashing when clicking away from the game? Running Novara, any tips would help.

[fading topaz]

Is the game running in fullscreen windowed mode?

[left veldt]

Windowed mode

[fading topaz]

Are you on X11 or Wayland?

[left veldt]

wayland

[fading topaz]

Yeah Awakened PoE Trade doesn't work correctly on Wayland. Last I checked it relies on X11 specific protocols. You'll probably have to run it in browser

[left veldt]

ahh ok thank you

[brisk geode]

I am using it on nobara as well, works just fine for me. Wich version are you running ?

[brisk geode]

This is not correct, it does work. It can sometimes close the trade search window however i found if you open without auto hide it works perfect

[fading topaz]

Hm interesting. I wonder if that's an improvement with the tool, or with XWayland

[fresh jacinth]

I still get this, did we ever get a fix for that?

[shrewd pewter]

Ignorantly sharing this bug report where there's some claims of fixes in the thread for that error: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3533338/page/1

I have a PopOS install that I have Steam installed via .deb (as apposed to flatpak) and then have PoE1 running whatever the latest version of Proton Experimental. Haven't had a single error since they updated the graphics engine of PoE1 back in 3.21 (~July 2023 timeframe).

[wintry aurora]

apologies if this has been asked a thousand times
but under proton through steam, has anyone noticed the dx12 renderer or vulkan be any better than one or the other?

[weak salmon]

Afaik it still depends on hardware

Try both

[wintry aurora]

yeah fair

im finding dx12 pretty good, seems higher fps

[brisk geode]

On my older system, dx12 gives more fps however vulkan is more stable

[ebon crystal]

Hey. Installed Debian with KDE Plasma last week and had some trouble setting up PoE. Turned out it came shipped with Vulkan and I had to dig into forum posts to learn that I should change the INI file to DirectX11 or 12. Worked pretty good. At least the game launched.
But now im getting weird low FPS after a couple of hours of playing. It is consistent on both DX12 and DX11. Doesn't matter how much I run on the side. It will run a smooth 144 fps with Vsync and then suddenly drop to a consistent 25 FPS after a couple of hours. I have to relaunch the game to temporarily fix it.

What could it be?
Specs:

Ryzen 3600X
32gb RAM DDR4
RTX 4070
NVMe SSD
Debian 12, KDE Plasma, X11
Nvidia Driver Version: 535.183.01

Satisfactory on Steam running Proton is running perfectly on DX12 btw. With all the bells and whistles Nvidia has to offer. Played it for 12 hours in a single sitting the other day.

I have kept an eye on both gpustat and htop to check if its a memory issue but it stays consistently relatively low

Normally I would suspect some kind of Steam overlay fudgery, because of how stable the low FPS is, but overlay is already disabled.

[fading topaz]

Can you monitor your VRAM usage when the FPS 'suddenly drops'? I could see this happening if it becomes strained and offloads assets onto RAM. Also, you could check the performance graphs (F1) to get a better sense of what the bottleneck is

[ebon crystal]

Will keep an eye on performance graphs. Already kept an eye on gpustat and there didn't seem to be a buildup. But I can look again.

[fading topaz]

Also, can you check to see if you have dynamic resolution turned off? Probably not affecting this, but curious

[ebon crystal]

I just turned it off. It was on before.

[fading topaz]

Not sure if it will affect this, but I've found that setting to be the culprit for visual clarity issues

[ebon crystal]

So its something the CPU does. There was nothing funky going on with the VRAM

And the dynamic resolution is not the culprit

And here is a couple of minutes running around with that CPU usage acting up.

Doesn't make much sense

Internet says that it can be a CPU scheduling issue and I have been running it with gamemoderun %command%. Gonna try deleting that.

[fading topaz]

I've honestly not bothered using gamemode

[shrewd pewter]

I had a Ryzen 1600 non-X cpu that I knew there were quite a number of hiccups with ryzen and linux in the early days that were solved by updating the bios of the motherboard (more CPU firmware issue than OS's scheduler).

But with a 3600X, hopefully those issues had been solved by the time your CPU/Motherboard had come out. Maybe something to look at if you're grasping at straws? (This depends on your motherboard's vendor).

[craggy pendant]

Same, I've never used it and Linux gaming has been fine nonetheless

[ebon crystal]

I only added the parameters because the vast majority of protondb reports says they use it

[shrewd pewter]

There's a nice write up on the protondb website ( https://www.protondb.com/help/improving-performance ) that goes into some of the Improving Performance jib jab about gamemoderun and other optimizations.

Purely hearsay by myself, I think that's where a lot of people just throw it in there and assume it makes game better. Maybe maybe-not 🤷 idk, I hit 60fps at 1440p and I'm happy enough with mysetup ... (personally more annoyed at my ISP than my software/hardware).

[ebon crystal]

As I understand it gamemode takes over the CPU scheduling. And since its an added latency that only happens within the Wine environment, I assume that is the problem.
Tried to test it earlier but servers was down for maintenance. I will do a run tomorrow to check.

[fading topaz]

You can also try using Proton-GE instead of the built-in proton shipped with Steam

[turbid idol]

I've only recently started to have this issue where I can have 4-5ms cpu time / 180fps but just moving my mouse (no clicking), it spikes up to like 55ms cpu time / 80fps and not sure. I have to restart the game to fix it but it's only temporary as like after 10-15 minutes, the issue comes back. Any suggestions for things I can look at to see what is happening?

[fading topaz]

Which renderer are you using?

I do find that very strange though

[edgy sierra]

It's an issue with steam across basically any game. I experienced the same thing in Guild Wars 2, Grim Dawn, and basically anything else I tested.

adding LD_PRELOAD="" (e.g. LD_PRELOAD="" %command% )in the affected games launch options seems to be a work around as it's worked for me today.

Not all systems seem to be affected else people would be hooting and hollaring more vigorously about it.

I've been trying to track down an actual cause but sadly I've had limited free time.

[fading topaz]

Outside of steam, what do you get when you echo $LD_PRELOAD?

That as a fix would imply something is replacing libraries

[edgy sierra]

Empty string.

[turbid idol]

I tried Vulkan and DX12 and same thing on both

[fading topaz]

Are you using fullscreen or windowed fullscreen?

[turbid idol]

I tried both of those (and windowed mode) and doesn't resolve it

[nova bronze]

Which wine/proton version are you using..? I've had extremely good behavior with GE_proton 9-15

--nologo --noasync --nopreload -gc 2 are the boot options I'm using

and for dll overrides I have: xaudio2_7 as n,b

everything else is defaulted to latest in lutris

[ebon crystal]

Just a small update from me. As I wrote, I was on Debian 12, KDE Plasma (X11) and using Proton 9.
But after some random freezes while not doing anything intensive, I assumed there was some kind of bug and I was right. X11 do not play nice with the current Nvidia drivers.
Installed Arch for the first time and got KDE Plasma (Wayland) up and running and it just runs perfectly. No launch parameters.
And I tried switching to X11 yesterday because I had to use AnyDesk for some remote support, and low and behold. The system froze again after 3 hours.

I am now on Proton-GE. Spent the hour building it on a 3600X

[fading topaz]

Spent an HOUR building the package?!?! HUH?

It usually takes me like 2 minutes

You probably want a -bin package instead of an unbuilt one. I'm using the proton-ge-custom-bin package

[weak salmon]

Can't help myself.
*lo

Ngl getting proton ge to work and even show up in the stam client was so easy I was surprised when I did it, although I did that for a different game that absolutely needed it to be playable

[ebon crystal]

yay -S proton-ge-custom - 117 dependencies.

But it just worked afterwards

[fading topaz]

117? Huh. The package only lists like 10 required ones. Must be a bunch of lib32 stuff you didn't already have, if I had to guess

[ebon crystal]

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/proton-ge-custom

And if you yay that on an almost empty machine, it will try and build all dependencies.

[fading topaz]

hmm. Wonder if that's a result of using yay specifically. I haven't used it before

[ebon crystal]

yay will build from scratch if build files is available

[hardy burrow]

Hey, is it a correct link to Linux version of Pob: [possible phishing redacted]

Cuz I hate Wine with burning passion.

[fading topaz]

That's a fake website

Seems to be AI generated

If you're on Arch, you can install it without wine through the AUR

[hardy burrow]

Haha, you know what? I love Arch but I gotta use Debian to run my company zero security point security software/malware.

[fading topaz]

Yeah fair enough. You could probably take a look at how the package is built. I doubt anything in it is Arch-specific

I'm not familiar with what it does to get it working without Wine

[hardy burrow]

Link me to the AUR. I can still read pkgbuilds

[fading topaz]

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/path-of-building-community-git

[hardy burrow]

I'm getting old 🙂 Can't id AI-generated search spam

[fading topaz]

Yeah I don't blame you. I'm familiar with it because I've had my own blog ripped off by an AI generated website

[hardy burrow]

Okay, thanks. Maybe I'll get it working on debian if I've got a spare time from grinding 🙂

[fading topaz]

Good luck~

[weak salmon]

Why do you hate Wine

[hardy burrow]

Try to maintain a working setup for extended time. You'll understand 🙂

[weak salmon]

Just use Steam Proton

I am well aware

[stray geode]

use lutris? times of single wine installation are like years appart

[weak salmon]

I used to just rawdog PoE with Wine back in 2018, but these days you just use Steam Proton for it.
And Steam Proton also works well for almost all non-games like for example PoB too.
And yeah Lutris is also a good alternative.

[fading topaz]

Bottles is also another option for maintaining wine instances

[rotund notch]

New here (and to POE) and right off the rip I see a Linux discussion. I'm home

CachyOS here reporting for duty

[rapid skiff]

No Linux role 😦

[weak salmon]

for a logical reason

[rapid skiff]

I know

but it says PC there

not windows

[weak salmon]

can't blame GGG for just doing what is often done

[visual marsh]

Just added a Linux option for ya'll :)

It doesn't assign a role (the xbox/ps4 roles don't really do anything, they exist for legacy reasons), but it does ensure this channel gets assigned, previously folks had to find it manually

[rapid skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[weak salmon]

Oh yeah right

[thin viper]

A bit of a crosspost, sorry for that, but.

https://discordapp.com/channels/174993814845521922/1308714301262925965/1309459828632195093

TLDR: Will POE2 EA be available for Linux?

I am afraid of purchasing the key and then not being able to play, and not being able to get a refund

[craggy pendant]

A lot of the engine is shared between the titles, and nowadays unless a game has an aggressive kernel-level anticheat you are able to play windows games on linux using compatibility layers, so I think there should be no big issue. I have been playing various indie ea titles just fine 🤷

But that's all just me talking, poe has never officially supported linux anyway

[thin viper]

Indeed it is currently not officially supported

But proton works just fine out of the box

No tweaks for me

[craggy pendant]

precisely

and if new titles need some advanced deep tweaks usually Glorious Eggroll proton covers that

[thin viper]

I am not too much into tweaking with wine/proton xD

[craggy pendant]

oh I don't mean that you would, just that this specific version of proton has that already baked in

[thin viper]

Most of the games I play that dont have official linux support have that kind of kernel-level shit

Lets hope proton works well enough then

Im getting the keys

[craggy pendant]

yeah it's pretty dangerous a thing, as we've seen with CrowdStrike and Microsoft stuff

[thin viper]

=]

[craggy pendant]

I am not getting back into Windows and I assume it will be playable with proton on linux so yeah

[thin viper]

Funny how POE1 on linux/proton runs better than in Windows

[craggy pendant]

it was really visible for me on my previous device, agreed

and especially when considering how much overhead the newest windows puts on any device

[thin viper]

I get some funky behaviors when out-focusing and some audio artifacts, but that really dont bother me

[craggy pendant]

I only get minor issues with 3rd party poe apps, not poe itself ^^

[thin viper]

awakened?

[craggy pendant]

ye

but it's manageable

[thin viper]

IKR

[craggy pendant]

just adds one extra alt tab

[thin viper]

How are you dealing with it?

[craggy pendant]

I just needed to force compositor on it

so I only get the one extra alt tab I need to do after using it

[weak salmon]

It won't be officially supported
If you're having trouble launching/adding it, turn on proton for ALL games and it shouldn't stop you anymore. You usually have to do that for early access stuff on steam

[thin viper]

My POE lags when it gets out of focus, so having a new focused window doesnt work well

[thin viper]

Thats sad... Would be a good time to start from zero with support

(native support)

[craggy pendant]

then again there are some games that have native support but it's still worse than windows version through proton

LOL

so if proton does fine I don't mind not having native

[thin viper]

Really?

[stray geode]

LE is good example

[craggy pendant]

yeah it's the case with Total War: Warhammer III for me

[stray geode]

if Linux is not something GGG did, native support will be worse

but my expectation that if they didn't do something with the engine, Linux should be fine

[craggy pendant]

yeah I think so too

[stray geode]

now almost anything runs via Proton unless it is greedy dev with shit anti-cheats or some very niche engines using specific windows libraries, which cannot be transferred into wine

but counting that PoE2 is also for consoles, they most probably do engine as much platform independent as possible

[thin tendon]

Any rpgmaker game that requires the player to download the library doesn't work on linux.... at least easily

Same with other games that require 3rd party libraries

[stray geode]

examples?

[craggy pendant]

yeah, it also helps that Steam Deck exists to encourage that

[thin tendon]

Mostly japanese rpgmaker games off dlsite, they dont include the shared library to save space on the game download

[stray geode]

but you can get library, no?

[thin tendon]

Rpgmaker libraries cant be installed on linux normally, and ive not managed to get them running on proton, which is the bigger issue

There is a way, yes, but its a pain in the ass

[stray geode]

but again that is kinda niche area we are talking about, I am talking about globally most of the games are running in proton easily or with some tweaks

so my hope is just that engine is the same from technical perspective

[thin viper]

About that
My current workaround is running awakened with the --no-overlay flag

[craggy pendant]

I do --no-sandbox for the current Ubuntu base nonsense, force composition to make sure it doesn't black screen, and use a custom window rule to disable focus stealing prevention

[thin viper]

I am currently using i3wm, so it kinda lacks some floating features gnome has

[craggy pendant]

I use kde plasma

[thin viper]

eeeh, upload is failing

[craggy pendant]

rip

discord does that

[thin viper]

In the 2nd monitor there is a chrome window for the awakened

Can also launch as -app

[craggy pendant]

ah that's neat, I just play on single screen

[thin viper]

Using like that allows me to control the game while I see the output

In the former method, when I walk the price disappears

So it stays like that

[weak salmon]

Well, not necessarily.
It's still a ton of work.
Keep in mind I'm pretty sure they built this game from scratch pretty much.
And while they redid a lot of things for poe2, it's still a lot of work for something that so far hasn't really been a problem, because of Proton.
And it's probably not a huge market share either.

They have said they wish to keep Proton working with the game in the past, so I'm pretty sure you're not even completely out of luck necessarily if issues arise for proton users, although possibly so.

At the very least they almost definitely won't introduce things that prevent Proton from working like pesky kernel-level anticheats

[wooden depot]

native support is almost pointless

proton has reached a point where you're going to get better performance out of just running a well-supported windows build than you will a native linux build which is maybe not as well put together

the GGG team said back in june that they've been working to make it playable on the steam deck, which necessarily means it needs to work well with proton

[stray geode]

oh that is good

[fading topaz]

I believe that was with PoE1, where they said something about Steam Deck support. I believe that was the motivator to get controller support working in the first place. Odds are there's mention of it in either one of the patch notes on the forum, if not on one of the league announcement videos

[mild spear]

https://www.theouterhaven.net/2024/11/path-of-exile-2-qa-jonathan-rogers-talks-development-and-gameplay/ the quote is in here

[mild spear]

this was made on 21 nov

so they were prob under nda

[vast dome]

Anyone else having issues since GGG made changes to the accounts? Been running via steam on Pop_OS for a long time, recently GGG made a change to the pathofexile account showing the #number and now I seem to crash at "Authenticating User..." my suspicion is a disconnect somewhere on their end.

[shrewd pewter]

Works on my PopOS machine as of just now.
I'm running whatever Proton Experimental is the latest version as of writing this.
I connect through the California (US) gateway. Which gateway are you going through?

[vast dome]

I have tried proton versions experimental, 9, and 8. I have auto selected gateway, canada, east, texas, and cali. As soon as I select login, the message in the bottom left says Authenticating User.. and then the game just poofs, nothing in the logs, no error appears..

[shrewd pewter]

For logs I made a small post a while back though idk if it'll give you insight: #linux-🐧 message

Maybe also just try to log in with your steam account (the bottom left icon with the steam logo) here: https://www.pathofexile.com/login that way you can see if it's a GGG problem or if it's a OS / Networking / Steam Client issue.

I'd think if you can't login through Web, then I'd just contact support: https://www.pathofexile.com/support because then you've done due diligence on showing you cannot log in via the game client launched by steam, nor can you login via the web portal as well.

[vast dome]

Thanks for all the assistance.

Sifting through the 4800 lines of the proton_log doesn't seem to show any red flags.

I have used my creds and steam as the auth provider for pathofexile.com/login both show my account as expected. Seems to be only in game that there is an issue.

[weak salmon]

And I'm assuming you did try to verify game files

[vast dome]

Yup, kinda nutty that theres over 63,000 files imo.

[vast dome]

Thanks again for the assistance guys. I have also tried steam and standalone on windows and mac, all have the same result. I am 99.99% convinced it is something on their end with the new discriminators.

[fading topaz]

I assume you're able to login to the website without issue?

[vast dome]

That is correct, the website works without issue. Both authenticating with Steam and with email/pass.

[fading topaz]

You tried different gateways?

[vast dome]

Yup, basically all of them.

[fading topaz]

Yeah I doubt this is a platform related issue then. You might need to rely on GGG support

[shrewd pewter]

I just like how we all seem rather competent in trying to fix the issue / rule out things before contacting support 😄 seems so fitting for the Linux channel 😄

[vast dome]

🙂 certainly no "standard users" here

[weak salmon]

Well, it's also just that being a not officially supported platform, it's also a lot more likely that they'll be down prioritising you at best

[vast dome]

I updated my support claim with them indicating all the OS's and variations of attempts. Honestly, everything was working great before the discriminators, so I have to assume its related some how.

[weak salmon]

You're not one of the maniacs with a 29+ digit username right?

[vast dome]

was shorter prior to discriminator 😦

[weak salmon]

Well yeah

I was just wondering

Lucky lol

[raven canyon]

do we know if poe 2 will work with linux out of the box (presumably needing proton)

[craggy pendant]

#linux-🐧 message

[fading topaz]

PoE1 and 2 are both running on the same engine, technically. This means that (in theory) support for 1 and 2 would be the same, save for maybe system requirements

[raven canyon]

LETS GOOOOOO

[raven canyon]

Ty 🙂

[weak salmon]

Are they? Wasn't the point that they wanted to change the underlying engine to make poe2 what they really wanted it to be? Or did I misunderstand

[fading topaz]

Well you're not wrong. From everything I've seen, PoE2 is basically the engine of PoE1 with enhancements. It is theoretically possible to backport a lot of the improvements over, but there are a LOT of limitations that prevent that. Mostly the model rigging and animation

[weak salmon]

If it's drastically changed I wouldn't call it technically the same one

It is probably very similar to the old one though

[rapid skiff]

the only real answer we can get is if someone invited to the beta tests says that they were playing on Linux

at least they tested on Steam Deck

[craggy pendant]

got to represent the Penguins next week 💪 🐧

[rapid skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/linux-penguin-gif-19799664

[craggy pendant]

I'm just not sure what's the play here, try the game out on release with just proton 9 first or straight up start with GE-Proton already

[rapid skiff]

I always use proton experimental for everything

if it breaks I change to proton-ge and if it still broken, I change to normal proton

[craggy pendant]

I like to keep it all as "low" as possible, only going up to experimental/GE if issues arise

[craggy pendant]

so it seems you are one pip up from my position hahah

[rapid skiff]

being a newly relased game the fixes would be on proton experimental or even in proton hotfix

at least on launch day

[craggy pendant]

ok that definitely sounds like experimental would be the best bet for launch day

[humble ingot]

I'm on Linux, and hoping to test on launch if it will work out! ^^

[stiff pumice]

heyo glad to see a dedicated nerd chat 🙂 lets gooo boys whos excited for poe 2!!

[stiff pumice]

do you have the bleeding edge version ticked? thats very important from what ive learned.

[fading topaz]

Having the latest version of proton is only really impactful if you have a problem with a new game, and they release a fix for it

[stiff pumice]

i got all the common protons downloaded on steam. i even got that one oddball one the custom-ge from that Geggroll guy.

[rapid skiff]

only when I try proton hotfix I think

bleeding edge is not recomended because it can eat the wine prefixes for no reason

[stiff pumice]

well bleeding edge is for the experimental you right click go to properties and choose the normal bleeding edge, idk if u can choose an option for hotfix

[stiff pumice]

maybe it depends on what distro your on, or how its set up, im on cachyOS, "arch" so i have a custom proton bleeding edge, hotfix, and the eggroll custom proton-ge

[rapid skiff]

It's mentioned on the documentation

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/wiki/Proton-Versions#proton-bleeding-edge

[outer pagoda]

Just switched from an RTX3070 to an RX6700XT, cleaned out all the nvidia driver stuffs and booted with amdgpu, but now the game has no shadows. I've tried cleaning all shader caches out, and installing and using amdvlk drivers, but no dice

game runs perfectly otherwise

Any other ideas why there'd be no shadows ingame?

[fading topaz]

Can you try changing the renderer between Vulkan and DX12?

[outer pagoda]

clicking dx12 closes the client

[outer pagoda]

setting renderer_type to DirectX12 in production_Config.ini also makes the game not boot

nothing shows in Client.txt to indicate the game crashing

[outer pagoda]

adding MESA_VK_DEVICE_SELECT=1002:73dfto steam launch options fixed it

[fading topaz]

Interesting..

[outer pagoda]

i suspect it's a problem with radv, trying to toggle between radv and amdvlk doesnt work ingame

but using launch option, the game uses the non-navi device driver

[fading topaz]

I've never bothered with radv amdvlk personally

[outer pagoda]

i think it's just installed and turned on by default with mesa in the kernel on amd gpus

[fading topaz]

sorry I meant amdvlk. Got mixed up

[edgy sierra]

If you have AMDVLK and RADV installed at the same time the only safe way to switch between them is using the AMD_VULKAN_ICD environment variable.

If RADV is also installed in the system, AMDVLK driver will be enabled by default after installation. You can switch the driver between AMDVLK and RADV by environment variable AMD_VULKAN_ICD = AMDVLK or RADV.

From https://github.com/GPUOpen-Drivers/AMDVLK

AMDVLK does some non-standard things with it's default vulkan layers.

[outer pagoda]

thats amdvlk's claim, what i'm observing is that RADV is still used by default by everything launched through steam unless told otherwise

prior to installing amdvlk, i had no shadows, so I installed it, assumed amdvlk's 'default' claim and launched, saw no fix, then tried the launch option in poe to set the gpu driver to the amdvlk one

and that was the fix

[edgy sierra]

Something bubbled up from my memory re: no shadows. Are you stuck on an old version of Mesa by chance? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/9798 Was fixed 15 months ago and should be in any 24.x version of Mesa.

[outer pagoda]

mayybe... afaik its tied to/updated with the kernel, and the one im running is on 6.11/6.12

running a version of mint based on ubuntu22

[edgy sierra]

The AMD graphics drivers are kind of split between kernel and userland sides. AMDVLK, Mesa and even RadeonSI(the OpenGL driver) all exist outside the kernel in user space. Old Mesa + new kernel and new Mesa + old kernel are both valid configurations.

[timber pike]

Do we know if anyone in CBT has tested on linux or steamdeck?

[fading topaz]

See #linux-🐧 message

[outer pagoda]

updating fixed it running with radv, thanks for pointing that out, was on 23.x

[eternal swift]

Hello
Reading here I feel relieved.
It looks like poe2 will run on Linux.
If it s steamdeck compatible, should not have issue on my Linux gamer pc.
I guess we will see on Friday 🙂

[craggy pendant]

Currently on Linux even with indie and early access games they have been working not far off from Windows versions.

As long as there is no silly anticheat involved.

Proton stonks

[fresh swallow]

and outside steam, lutris and heroic have made it easy to run many games on various versions of wine - even proton

[pine kayak]

I've only installed Steam and CSGO was working well, does that mean PoE2 will too?

[fading topaz]

See #linux-🐧 message

[hybrid charm]

no its app specific. there is a Database for it. POE1 works good, should be similar to POE2 because its the same engine.

POE1
https://www.protondb.com/app/238960
POE2
https://www.protondb.com/app/2694490

[reef stone]

has there been any news about day 1 support?

[compact marsh]

They said something about the steam deck

So it should work just fine

[pine kayak]

I will also try out the standalone client with Lutris

[fresh swallow]

let's not forget protondb.com has had satisfied reports for the game for weeks or months, mysteriously

engine should be very similar to poe1 anyway

[fading topaz]

As far as I'm aware, the main difference is the global illumination portion. It doesn't use traditional ray-tracing though so it should be reasonably performant on various types of systems

[raven canyon]

RAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS GOING TO WOKR DAY ONE JUST BELIEVE IN TUX BRO!!!!

[raven canyon]

hello linux chads, what proton version would you recommend trying for poe 2 at launch

[shrewd pewter]

I just have used experimental for everything 🤷 So not hotfix, nor one of the stable release branches.

Until I see something major pop up in the release pages ( https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/releases ) for Proton regarding PoE2 ... I'm going to just stick with what's worked so far for all my games that have needed Proton.

[weak salmon]

Yeah it's not really important to try a specific one first, and we can't exactly know what will be best ahead of time

On a side note there is one game that I needed to get proton GE for, but that's probably not relevant here because I think regular proton will be good

[round ridge]

anyone seeing pre-load on linux yet

apparrently its live but not for me

[round ridge]

nm it appeared

"ITS WORKING! ITS WORKING!!" -Anakin Skywalker

[pine kayak]

only 84GB

I thought it's like 110+

[fading topaz]

Ah, see I think you misunderstood. When it says the game is EA, that means Early Access, not produced by EA. Don't expect Battlefield game sizes 🤣 /s

[dull oriole]

What's up with POE2 for linux?

[pine kayak]

what is this

[dull oriole]

When my girlfriend tries to claim the POE2 Steam key it says "Sorry these keys are currently unavailable, please try again later" - I'm trying to figure out how she will run POE2 without steam.

[bronze pecan]

Well I've got the stand alone version installed with wine on arch linux but it hangs after a second of Audio I'm sure someone smarter than me can figure it out but I'm at a loss currently

[devout path]

The guys in mac-os solved a crashing issue with an cfg change. You could give a spin

#mac-os🍎 message

[bronze pecan]

So that kinda worked the file is located here /home/$USER/.wine/drive_c/users/cptmoler/Documents/My Games. The game gets past the initial freeze and I can hear the Audio but there is no video it's just a black screen

OK got it to work in Lutris. 1) changed the ini file back to render with vulkan 2) Added link there to my wine install 3) disabled DXVK and changed from Proton-Experimental to GE-Proton9-20

[hybrid charm]

steam ist providing the download now. I think I will load it after work. I dont have hopes playing today anyway 😄 if I get it running I will poste my feedback here. got a pretty modern machine with Ryzen 7700 and RX6800

[craggy pendant]

in this EA they said it's approximately only half the content. So I'd expect the size to grow substantially before full release

[ebon crystal]

I had to set compatibility mode on PoE2 to be able to pre-download Just in case people are waiting on theirs to pop up.

[craggy pendant]

it's like that with all games that are not native, won't (pre-)download unless you set a compatibilty layer or have one be default for non-natives (there's a Steam setting for that)

[pliant violet]

preloaded with steam and standalone through Heroic 🤞

[marble viper]

sir i kindly ask for that wallpaper

[pine kayak]

similar, just not as dark

[marble viper]

ty, i'll still wait for that purple one as i like it more if op is willing to share

[grave summit]

Downloaded and ready to play!
#openSuseLinux 🙂

[willow breach]

is anyone getting low perf on linux ? i'm stuck at around 70fps and idk why

[fading topaz]

With what hardware?

[pine kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/i-use-arch-btw-use-arch-linux-fedora-gif-23272370

[ebon crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-use-arch-btw-arch-linux-linux-20-century-fox-yes-i-use-arch-btw-gif-8383058472649882025

[little haven]

this feels a little sketchy

Size of installation 0B but all files successfully validated

[fresh swallow]

steam preload is encrypted I think. Once steam sends the encryption key the installation will be finished.

that's why we can't reach login screen music like standalone client

[little haven]

that makes sense

thanks

[round ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[marble viper]

ty

[round ridge]

bless up

[vast dome]

Hey again, I think I might have found my issue. "Steam_SetMinidumpSteamID: Caching Steam ID: <number> [API loaded no]" seems that Steam and POE are not sharing profile information.

[dull oriole]

Has anyone on linux actualy launched it? It really su cks that steam isn't letting us launch the game yet, sure it might not work, but I really don't want to be troubleshooting in the final seconds of release.

I really wanted to use poe2 without steam, so I can verify it launches ahead of time

Anyone had success with that?

[sharp pumice]

how would you launch it if the game isn't released yet

[dull oriole]

Just because their backend network services don't allow logins, doesn't mean starting it doesn't do a good sanity check.

[sharp pumice]

I suppose

[dull oriole]

In any case I just don't want to be troubleshooting problems while other people getting in queue. Trying to go further, but guess steam is going to get in my way per usual. Like their recording non-sense they deployed recently.

[ebon crystal]

I trust that they got it working on the Steam Deck. Using Arch with Wayland and experimental proton. On integrated AMD graphics.
Im excited to see how it'll do on Nvidia. Also since Windows got the GameReady driver. We didn't.

[sharp pumice]

all I know is that poe1 was already barely holding on my 3050 laptop on linux and it is still not doing spectacular on windows 11 for me, hoping poe2 has some nice optimization

[dull oriole]

Gonna have to just put in the time to learn to run standalone at some point

[sharp pumice]

learning how to work with wine or lutris is a whole skill

[supple roost]

im using standalone and launched and everything seems to work fine

[storm elm]

@dull oriole see these earlier messages

[dull oriole]

Do you have a snippet of history, steps, tips or anything to bootstrap me learning how to do that? It would be amazing to say goodbye to steam.

I love all the work they do for Linux and really appreciate that. But I felt like I had a mini windows on my machine last update when they started lagging my game and filling my disk full of recorded video history without my consent lol

I'll scroll up and think I'll just go for it, I got some time

It was about 4-5 months ago I realized linux could run games now. AMAZING. I missed gaming so much, but about 8-10 years ago I just couldn't stomach having a windows machine, even for gaming. Everytime I turned it on to play it was something else. Being able to play video games and only own linux machines is sooooooo amazing.

[supple roost]

https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher and https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom i use this, its basically uses steam runtime but without having to use steam and then you use either use lutris, heroic launcher or just (and thats what i do) is use a simple bash script to launch the game

[dull oriole]

I still feel giddy when I think about it. lol

Me and my girlfriend have identical gaming pc's running arch linux on LXDE now and having so much fun on POE

[jolly star]

Im a tiny bit nervous about the Nvidia part tbh, as i still havens built myself a computer with full amd 😅

[dull oriole]

Is integrated graphics good enough?

[ebon crystal]

It was mentioned that they had a Steam Deck for testing.

[dull oriole]

I'm on model name : AMD Ryzen 9 9900X 12-Core Processor with rtx 4090, main problem I have is most my drivers don't work for my motherboard, it's a little too new still

[ebon crystal]

Steam Deck's APU performs worse than the 4650U in tests. And if they managed to get it running on 800p 30 FPS, then yeah. Integrated graphics would be good enough.
And if I enjoy PoE2 enough, I might install it on my Lenovo ThinkCentre M75q with Ryzen 4650GE and 64gb RAM.

[dull oriole]

This looks like it might be a little more approachable then I suspected, kudos to the people doing this work that's for sure. I'll create a Makefile when I'm done that catalogs the steps so anyone here can go standalone if they want, or at least have a point of reference. Thank you for sharing.

[ebon crystal]

Just make sure amd-ucode and nvidia is up to date. Im sure it'll be fine

[velvet mortar]

Remember to set DirectX to Vulkan in the game settings. This is the one thing I'm going to change before playing

[ebon crystal]

Im a fan of DX12 and it worked great on PoE1 for me.

[velvet mortar]

Was the performance better?

[fading topaz]

I've found it varies from setup to setup whether using Vulkan or DX12 works best

[ebon crystal]

Yeah. It really depends on the system.

[velvet mortar]

Because if you set the game directly to use Vulkan, there is no translation layer from DirectX to Vulkan

[ebon crystal]

Im using:

Arch and kernel 6.12.1, KDE Plasma, Wayland
Ryzen 3600X, RTX 4070 with driver 565.57.01-8
Everything updated. And I will be trying out Proton-Experimental to begin with. But Proton-GE-Custom is installed and updated as backup.

[fading topaz]

While that is true, the resulting Vulkan instructions are different, and depending on how the system handles them, it can go either way

[velvet mortar]

I'll keep that in mind

[fading topaz]

Easiest solution: test both. Looking at average and min FPS will get you your answer

[ebon crystal]

Do whatever works for PoE and go from there. Test things. With it being the same engine chances are it'll continue to work.

[pine kayak]

Lutris works for me

I just didn't bother

now I have the steam and standalone, and can't uninstall the standalone, because Lutris didn't completely delete it

[crimson sphinx]

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steam, proton 9-20

[odd sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FUnA5frG0g

I'm not related, but one of my favorite linux content creators is live streaming PoE2 launch on linux

[ashen lance]

hopefully game works

[odd sentinel]

I can't get Steam version because I bough the $200 pack. But just launched the game via Bottles. I am in queue! 10,000

Now hoping for not crashing

[fading topaz]

what does buying a pack have to do with not using Steam?

[odd sentinel]

You can't buy the more expensive packs via Steam, only on the store. At least I couldn't

So when I bought on the website, it didn't give me a steam key

[vivid fog]

Hoping so

[odd sentinel]

They are currently out of steam keys

[vivid fog]

I'm downloading the launcher too

[fading topaz]

Ohhhh gotcha

[odd sentinel]

For the people buying access via the website

[fresh swallow]

Steam purchases can afterwards upgrade to higher price packs at website or ingame.

[odd sentinel]

idk how that happens but support was not helpful 😦

[vivid fog]

Running from a Bottles instance, should I download some dependecy before launching the game?

[odd sentinel]

No offence bro but how should we know, the game hasn't even come out yet 😛

I have proton GE etc. ready to go in case it won't launch

Run I mean* but I am in queue https://imgur.com/a/qeIg0Ue

[fading topaz]

Yeah the general things like using newer wine and proton, but that's all I can really suggest

[fresh swallow]

if you want to bother then getting poe1 running nicely would be a good sign

[odd sentinel]

I am already in queue for PoE2 via bottles on linux. Running via PikaOS, latest Mesa & Kernel, latest wine, etc.

[velvet mortar]

@odd sentinel You can get your Steam key here https://www.pathofexile.com/my-account/early-access

[vivid fog]

I'm on CachyOS, with they modded Kernel, and all Up-to-Date

[odd sentinel]

You cannot. They do not have any for those who bought via their official page

[vivid fog]

Hoping that won't crash, or somenthing like that

[odd sentinel]

PikaOS basically runs CachyOS default kernel so should be super similar. Good luck. let me know if you find out anything

[vivid fog]

In some minutes, I should be able to find if will run nicely

[odd sentinel]

I am too afraid of a crash to even enable in game fps overlay lol so idk my performance atm

[vivid fog]

What is PikaOS for? Is like a "meta-distro" for gaming?

Never heard about

[odd sentinel]

https://wiki.pika-os.com/en/home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrlGCoJnGOo

[vivid fog]

I just installed Cachy, because, at the time, I was lazy to install Arch by my self

[odd sentinel]

Cachy is real nice

I just don't like waking up to broken builds on Arch

[vivid fog]

Ohh, I see

[vivid fog]

I run backups frequently, so, isn't a problem to me

BTRFS just save lives

And, the fact that, you can put then in the bootloader, as an Kernel Image

(sure, you will need make some tweaks, but man, this save lives)

Now that I'm thinking

I'm running on Hyprland

[ashen lance]

😔

[vivid fog]

Should be a concern? Due to compositor things, etc?

[odd sentinel]

I am running Gnome with VRR enabled

I don't think so

[vivid fog]

Download the launcher from website

And run with Botttles/Lutris

[ashen lance]

by the time the game is done it will be already late

like it will take ~1 hour

and queue is already huge

[vivid fog]

I'm downloading RN

[odd sentinel]

Queue isn't that big yet

[vivid fog]

And will let the queue run

[odd sentinel]

And more than likely servers will crash and we will all have to re-queue

[crimson sphinx]

only 30000

[vivid fog]

I'm going to music class at 4PM, and hopping that at 12PM will be able to play

LOL

Almost finishing

[pine kayak]

Okay, I gave Lutris a go

juist to be sure

[vivid fog]

PoE2 already have build guides, or don't?

[fading topaz]

No

Because people haven't played it yet

[vivid fog]

I'm using the CachyOS umu-run

GAMEID=560130 umu-run PathOfExile.exe