2┃build-planning

[native lance]

chance isn't apparently

it's elemental

[next aurora]

Magnitude is though

Prefix

[native lance]

yeah nice

spear or attack dmg is probably better on there tho

I guess if I want to be really efficient I could get lightning dmg, shock mag prefix

[next aurora]

Also, while the wiki isn't consistent right now, it states shock taken cap is 100%, not magnitude increases

[native lance]

gotcha

[next aurora]

Oohh

A siphoning strike recursive shock consumer using the crit bell sounds fun

[coarse crescent]

the 100% shock is the magnitude of the shock. With 20% being the base magnitude that you can theoretically increase however much you want but still wont go above 100

[stone willow]

Shield Wall still viable to start Off with Armor Stack? (SSF) or would Totems bei safer?

[odd jetty]

I hate act1. What is a go-to solution? I would like monk, but controller is terrible.

[bold oxide]

bow monk is a tried and true campaign build

then you can respec into whatever else later on

[odd jetty]

Bow might be a good solid choice.

[proven rapids]

how to make pob automatically allocate int instead of strength ?

[drifting cedar]

10% power charge on crit should solve any clunkiness

especially because that mod doesn't specify attacks, so you can even run something like coc spark or firestorm to rapidly churn out charges

[next aurora]

Are you trying to state that you can only go to 40% damage taken on shocks or did you misunderstand what I'd said?

[coarse crescent]

100% magnitude is 100% increased damage taken, the number you see on the shock is called magnitude

100% =/ 100% increased magnitude

[next aurora]

Ok so you misunderstood what I'd said

I said the increases could go above 100%

[coarse crescent]

yes, wich is not inconsistent with what the wiki says

[viral sky]

Right clicking an attribute node will select your last used attribute, so you only need to select Int once either through the popup or by using one of the hotkeys like holding the letter "i" while clicking.

[next aurora]

I don't understand what you're getting at here. I'd stated clearly that the damage taken can go to 100%, and the increases therefore can go past 100%. What were you trying to elaborate on?

[viral sky]

The help section explains it a little more

[next aurora]

Weird, mine's always set it to str regardless of my previously set attribute

I wonder if it's a bug with older installs that were updated

[proven rapids]

ty!

[next aurora]

Where can you get 10% chance on crit?

Only power on crit I'm aware of is voll's

[primal valve]

Now with the patch notes out and such, which Asc would work best with the new Ordained Unique spear? Are there any specific builds / interactions?

[high rivet]

is there any other way to apply parried debuff other than using your shield?

id assume not

[next aurora]

As far as I can tell, looking through DB and PoB stuff, it's only on bucklers locally right now

There is an infinite range parry buckler though

[coarse crescent]

its a pretty generic spear, can work with anything really. Prolly best would be critfernalist cause it has quite good base crit

[next aurora]

The only truly unique interactions with this as far as I can tell are going to depend on whether or not the Fragments count as Remnants

Most automatic and manual lingering interactables count as remnants currently so I wouldn't be surprised if it is

The only problem with is being a remnant in this instance is that the skill itself is empowered, and the skill doesn't place the Fragments. So you can't alter the frequency and/or power of them. I believe that only leaves range of interaction

Without knowing the 0.5 tree, that leaves 150% increased pickup range on the main tree, 3% life and/or mana on pickup, and 20% chance to create an additional (not worded to be a skill effect weirdly enough)

[primal valve]

Hmm hmm i see, so I will probably fare well if I just run LS Oracle

[next aurora]

There is also Empowered scaling on tree, but that's less "interesting" and more just "statisically powerful" depending on the scaling of the 0.5 tree

[unreal girder]

Martial artist gloves

[next aurora]

Oh, fists of stone?

[unreal girder]

Y

[next aurora]

That's a sick affix

[fervent dust]

lvl 77 ice shot / snipe rannger, is there a clear winner option here?

[flat jungle]

How good is youre quiver

[odd jetty]

No, this has to be bait. It is bad already and was there nerfs to the LA in 0.5?

[drifting cedar]

martial artist way of the stone fist gloves mod

looks to be created by a desecrated arcane surge mod conversion

[next aurora]

That's an interesting conversion

i will say that at that point the only limitation is hit frequency of crits

[next aurora]

Which needless to say, I have found a funny method

That does not involve, but does benefit from the bonus fists of stone power charges

[fleet blaze]

what's the best DoT build that isn't contagion or w/e or various ball lightning builds.

[drifting cedar]

fists of stone actually looks pretty broken. global 10% quality and pcoc is a silly combo

also those are 5 mod gloves

[next aurora]

Yeah 10% quality makes it nearly impossible to pass up if you're just power gaming

[drifting cedar]

no runes in there either, and iron runes affect the lvl scaling defenses

other notable mods include flat crit, attacks gain as X, max res, and CDR

not to mention every unique glove..

[next aurora]

The back-bell has no "cannot crit" limitation, which means that it can benefit from crit multi for damage, and that makes it easy to force shocks to trigger off of it. So you crit with Siphoning Strike to get power charges, the crit from the strike generates the bell shockwave, the bell shockwave shocks the target, and that allows you to siphoning strike. Repeat until falling thunder with decent damage, and expend all power charges and combo on the slam.

Alternatively set up Thunderstorm on CoC with this setup and just always crit to cause the bell to shock without caring about bell crit

Oh wait I forgot CoC is a battery not a direct trigger in 2

[drifting cedar]

I don't know why I don't already know this, but when you evade spell hits in poe 2 what is your evasion chance rolling against since spells don't have accuracy?

[neon hinge]

Uhm

You can evade spell hits?

[next aurora]

I thought evade is only against attacks?

[drifting cedar]

not in poe 2

[neon hinge]

Source?

[drifting cedar]

https://www.poe2wiki.net/wiki/Evasion

[next aurora]

I'm looking at the wiki and it's not clear

[drifting cedar]

basically you just cant evade slams

[next aurora]

Damn that's wild

Also innacurately worded

Actually no they changed block pretty early, so it is accurately worded

[drifting cedar]

yeah very early on they were trying to get everything categorized into roughly strike, projectile, or -aoe/slam/big hit/poorlydefined-

any hit in the first two can be blocked or evaded

no distinction from spell or attack from mobs

[neon hinge]

In-game text

[next aurora]

Honestly I kind've like the lack of distinction between defending against attacks and spells for the sake of having better balancing on defensive layering, but I also don't like the mechanical asymmetry between players and monsters

[drifting cedar]

its not all spells though

[neon hinge]

Not all attacks and not all spells are affected by evasion

[drifting cedar]

many ground targeted aoe spells can't be evaded despite clearly not being slams

[next aurora]

It's like AoE effects not being blocked by default iirc

[drifting cedar]

unsure if the same rule applies to deflection

question remains, evasion rolls against accuracy. do monster spells have an accuracy stat?

[next aurora]

Deflection would make sense for AoE mitigation, but not for evasion

[neon hinge]

The skills themselfs never had an accuracy rating

It is always the monster that has it

[drifting cedar]

oh fair enough

[neon hinge]

Some skills of monsters might interact with accuracy rating though. IDK

[drifting cedar]

they must if they're evadable

[next aurora]

I would reason to guess that most spell accuracies when applicable are tied to monster accuracy, because iirc monster accuracy is a flat value by default regardless of range, and there's a special mechanic to give monsters ranged accuracy downscaling

Also pretty sure monster accuracy is tied to the monster not the skill

Yeah enemy ranged accuracy penalty is tied to Stay Light, Use Cover

[empty torrent]

yo, is anyone here experienced with thefarmer's mom temu temporalis build? I have some issues with the build in the current league and I'd like to understand it better before next league

[soft granite]

I'm planning on starting something like this in HC Trade with Ice shot/Snipe. Is it lacking too much dmg? https://pobb.in/Bc5iePE6GxAl

[neon hinge]

Nah 1065 dps is plenty.

[next aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-no-warrior-priest-warpriest-saltz-gif-25312568

[soft granite]

obviously i haven't even tried creating a DPS estimate in PoB2 because it's so unreliable

[drifting cedar]

can you at least put your gems in

[soft granite]

yeah i suppose. I was planning typical dmg supports with fork in ice shot

[next aurora]

Yeah a lot of damage calculations have to be done manually, but I've noticed that there are very few builds that break the range of current tooltip to 50% more than tooltip for PoB

Then again I don't make spear/bow builds so I'm not familiar on that front

[soft granite]

there are so many conditionals/combos in PoE2 it's so hard to estimate by nature

[next aurora]

It's not easy, but you can get a rough estimate by adding up the support gem effects and the skill gem's effects then multiplying base damage

It's how I found out that you can have 20 mil stun flash grenades

[proven rapids]

https://pobb.in/pwHdEGiXejzo let me introduce you to ed/c huntress lmao

[next aurora]

This or you can do ele bleed flameblast or comet on blood mage

[drifting cedar]

amazon just for mana regen from flasks essentially?

rather, doubling up on reverie regen

[proven rapids]

essentially

if it wasn't for that, I would have chose another ascendency

[next aurora]

You could always scold's bridle recoup

I should see if a scold's bridle mana/life tank would be good

Probably a blood mage build for deferred damage

[fleet blaze]

any good fire builds besides ballcano?

[next aurora]

You mean fire skills or specifically ignite?

[zenith imp]

do we have additional info on the gemling gems/changes?

[next aurora]

Nothing more than what they showed most recently on the gemling breakdown

The one released on the 20th

[fleet blaze]

i dunno either or. never see anyone go ignite/fire. ballcano looks fun but not sure i wanna do it.

mage

[zenith imp]

ah i see, was thinking of going permafrost gemling, hope the quality effect is good

[next aurora]

If you're just looking for fire skills there's plenty of options, but for specifically a spellcaster there's a good amount of fire spells that can scale well

You could look up flameblast builds, comet is ice/fire simultaneously (but looks like ice), ember fusilade is a wonky skill but it's fun imo

[next aurora]

Honestly what I'm curious about is whether or not implicit skills will have alt quality. It does say Gem quality on the wording for the ascendancy notable

[karmic dust]

I wish to plan a build for the new league and .5 tree for huntress.
I wanted to go for a bleed build but dont know how to proceed

I believe amazon is a good ascendancy to use for bleed

[next aurora]

Amazon is probably insane for bleed

[fringe lagoon]

You could search on poe ninja I guess

[blazing oriole]

Do the attack damage nodes in the monk part of the tree scale grenade damage?

[karmic dust]

I have a permafrost witch hunter with Zealous inquisition

[next aurora]

Grenades are attacks, so yes

[blazing oriole]

is the toot trip broken the number doesn't change when i choose them?

[next aurora]

Not all of the tooltips work great the last time I checked. For the most part they work, but some tooltips don't function properly.

It does affect the grenade's damage though

[blazing oriole]

ty

[next aurora]

Unless that wheel is just worded incorrectly and it's supposed to say melee, but I REALLY doubt that

[karmic dust]

Anything that is used to attack basically gains a 10% increase

There are grenade nodes for damage and such

[chilly drift]

Do you guys think the new kalgurran skills and gemling will worl together? The changes to gemling look really cool

[next aurora]

Given tree position for bleed, and the scaling vector for accuracy rating both on tree (attack speed, crit chance as accuracy rating) and on ascendancy (added phys equal to 25% of accuracy on weapon affix/implicit), I cannot imagine amazon being anything less than amazing for bleed

The question is whether or not you wanna bother with the life flask charge consumption problem that high-end bleed has

Even so you're in the perfect spot for it

[next aurora]

The Kalgurran skills are gems iirc, so there's no reason they shouldn't

[chilly drift]

I was looking at the ascendecy tree and half of the big bonuses are off attribute requirements. (Gem shield and bonuses from socket attributes) So if they are genaric skills would that mean there isnt any bonuses from them at all outside of second quality bonus?

And levels to skill gem type node

[next aurora]

Oh sorry I had my mind on the new stuff

Yeah I don't think kalgurran skills will have colors since they don't have attribute requirements

And therefore likely won't work with any mechanics that interact with gem colors

[chilly drift]

Dang that blows

[karmic dust]

Explain to me, what is the life flask charge issues? How does doing bleed affect flasks?

[next aurora]

There's a support that consumes life flask charges for % more magnitude of bleeding

And it's too good to not have

[chilly drift]

Almost need to add a requirement of like 1 strength or something to kalgurran skills

[next aurora]

There is also the unlikely chance that they have colors but no requirements

[karmic dust]

Ah I see, so i would have to be lucky to find a life flask that's good for this then

[next aurora]

Lore-wise it makes sense the gemling wouldn't interact with the Kalgurran skills beyond unassociated gem knowledge (quality)

[bold oxide]

what are the easiest/quickest marks to activate? the buff to Quipolatl's Thesis glory related portion could be fun. now you get 50% of the necessary glory for a skill, which if you can get 100% increased glory gen (easiest would be smith of kitava), you now are able to activate a mark which will let you immediately use a glory skill, rinse and repeat

probably voltaic or freezing since those have 0.5 second cd so easily spammable

[next aurora]

Keep in mind the support scales with max flask charges, not healing

So you can have a shit flask for healing but great charges max

[chilly drift]

Fingers crossed, we'll know in 5 days. Not too fitmilar with the lore. Kalgurran is old stuff and gemling just inserts gems into body like a cyborg

[next aurora]

Gemlings were already a developed lore piece in 1 before kalgurrans existed

[next aurora]

It's called Concoct btw

[karmic dust]

Whats the max charges? And are there nodes for doubling charges or something in the likes

[chilly drift]

Oh really! Where they a class as well I havent played poe1

[next aurora]

No, they're a subculture like the Kalgurrans

[next aurora]

Max charges changes based on the flask, and the higher the item level, the better the % maximum flask charges affix you can get on the flask itself

I don't believe there's max flask charges on tree, but I know there's flask charges gained for making sure you have flask charges for the flask/support to consume

[karmic dust]

I think i figured out how to get the flask issue resolved, I remember in poe1 there was a mod that gained charges on bleed procs

[inner turtle]

Pushing to lv 92 with my Shaman Druid build and been stuck between 91-92 for a bit 😅 Any tips for better XP/endgame farming would be appreciated. Happy to share my skill tree and gear setup too!

[next aurora]

I would not rely on PoE 1 knowledge for more abstract affixes like that. I specifically don't think that one's in the game

[karmic dust]

If I ever do create one with that mod, ill share it 🤝

[next aurora]

Regardless, there's 151% total life flask charges gained on specifically the huntress/ranger section of the tree, along with 0.45 flat flask charges gained per second

That would be (if it applies to each flat flask charge gained per second separately) 0.97 flask charges per second, or (if % modifies the total per second) 1.12 per second

[next aurora]

Sniper's mark probably

Unless you can freeze/electrocute incredibly frequently

[past wind]

Will herald of ash Shock instead of ignite with Three dragons helmet?

[next aurora]

I'm not sure, but I can test it real quick

[past wind]

Could you please? Thank you so much

[next aurora]

This is weirder than I thought

It might not ignite, but do a different debuff that deals burning damage

Because there's no ignite icon when they're taking the DoT

But they are taking DoT damage

[past wind]

Does it contribute to shock tho?

[past wind]

Crazy

[next aurora]

As far as I can tell, no

But I also don't have much shock chance on this build

[past wind]

Could you add shock chances to it

And increase damage over time

More damage might make it do better shock

[next aurora]

If I increase the dot then I won't be able to test either, because I'll have to deal with higher level enemies and I'm not playing standard to get gold for respecs, sorry

I'll test the shock though

[past wind]

Oh u r right forgot they reduced eliment inflict magnitude

[fringe lagoon]

"Fire Damage from Hits Contributes to Shock Chance instead of Flammability and Ignite Magnitudes", herald of ash trigger is not a hit

[next aurora]

^ Good catch on the wording

Probably should've checked that first lol

[coarse crescent]

its a fake hit, wich cant apply any on hit effect (like other ailments) other than the thing it states

but herald of ash is also all kinds of fucked up

[next aurora]

Values related to hits scale simulated hits (aka "as if dealing x damage hit", or in this case % overkill), but conditionals are only on actual hits

[coarse crescent]

it doesnt even count as a burn or ignite sometimes

[past wind]

I’m tryna make primal strike build witchunter. but i wanna use there dragons helmet. Because in first weapon set i wannna have primal strike and on second i wanna have snipe… so primal strike can freeze and snipe can consume it

And ignite ig

[next aurora]

Yeah I'm still not understanding what's up with that

[past wind]

Doing my dream fantasy build

[marble jasper]

So while feral invocation attacks dont GENERATE combo can they consume it for ailiths chimes to generate power chargss?

[coarse crescent]

last time i asked a GGG dev, he looked at the code and told me "its fucked"

[past wind]

I seen people using armor explosion to cause shock with three dragons helmet

[next aurora]

Realest answer

[past wind]

Did anyone ever try this tech?

[next aurora]

I'm realizing that a cold damage Three Dragons build might be funny with Drenched on thunderstorm

[coarse crescent]

that will work fine

[past wind]

They using armor explosion with herald smart tech

[coarse crescent]

thats the usual herald chaining tech since last league

[past wind]

I’m thinking which herald does higher damage so my armor explosion can do high damage too and does shock

[coarse crescent]

you put armour explosion into herald of ice and get "gain as extra phys" on your weapon to let them chain into eachother

[next aurora]

Actually looking closer at the wording, it changes the direction function of each element, not what the element does. So that means cold->ignite from 3 dragons works, but modifiers to freeze won't affect the ignite. So this does nothing

[marble jasper]

Since i dont think anyone actually knows im just gonna farm facebreaker in freythorn, run that until i get an ailiths chimes myself

[next aurora]

Are the feral attacks specifically strikes?

Because only Strike skills generate combo

[marble jasper]

Depends on socketed skill

But thats good intel

[coarse crescent]

feral invocation are proxies, they wont gain any charges for you

[marble jasper]

The assumption would be that the feral invocation activation would consume the combo, which would trigger ailiths. No?

[next aurora]

Maul, rend, shred, and lunar assault are strike skills and should generate combo still

[marble jasper]

Not generate. Hollow form is for generating

[coarse crescent]

no, cause the thing you are using is an invocation, but the thing that consumes the combo is the attack, wich isnt used by you

[marble jasper]

Ooooh okay thanks

[coarse crescent]

hollow form also doesnt gen combo cause its proxies

[marble jasper]

Back to the drawing boaed

[marble jasper]

Existence is torment

[coarse crescent]

true

[karmic dust]

Can twister be made to have bleed?

[next aurora]

Yes, but only for it's phys damage unless you're blood mage

[karmic dust]

I havent touched the witch in poe2 yet, I assume that an ascendancy

[next aurora]

Yep

[thorny inlet]

where do you get uniques that arent target boss drops. is there still a way to target farm or not really. also could someone explain "chase uniques" and give examples? im trying to learn how to fend for myself without guides but have a bit to learn

[vale heart]

is gemling an okey league starter? Im not looking to super min max I jsut wanna make a fun build out of it in late game

[next aurora]

1. Some uniques drop just generally, and don't have a specific place or enemy that drops them. Some are more likely in certain areas and from certain enemies, but some are just completely random.
2. Chase uniques are just uniques that are so absurdly powerful that people restructure their builds around them to incorporate them.

Some examples (one from PoE1):
-Mageblood
-Garukhan's Resolve Support
-Rigwald's Ferocity Support
-Collapsing Horizon

[flat jungle]

Rakiatas flow lol

[thorny inlet]

what makes collapsing horizon good? is it just the big elemental increase and + levels

[next aurora]

Currently I'd recommend something else, but for 0.5 we really will just have to see. The ascendancy scales with skill and support gem count and/or with gem quality, both of which require having gem quality currency and/or large quantities of uncut skill/support gems

[next aurora]

Huge base crit chance and the Trigger 50% refund are insane effects

I'm fairly certain it's used mostly for cast on crit builds

[thorny inlet]

that makes sense

good sustain

how do you determine the strength of uniques generally? is it mainly theory

[next aurora]

Depends on the effects of the unique

When something is entirely special to that unique or shared between very few of them, then it's all theory and understanding the mechanics

When the unique is just a stat brick, it's usually just big stats that make the unique good

Though they are REALLY trying to avoid stat bricks in PoE 2

They really want rares to be the stat bricks, and the uniques to be interesting

[thorny inlet]

so trampletoe is good bc it has the effect of the aoe overkill damage that not mang things would share

[next aurora]

Yeah that's a good example

[vale heart]

I will probably just play 1 char so Im gonna gamble on the gemling 🙏

[next aurora]

There are also going to be plenty of special uniques that are bad just because their effect is more lukewarm than they seem

[thorny inlet]

ans the knight-errant should be okay bc evasion sucks and it makes it all armor?

[next aurora]

Evasion does not suck lol

[vale heart]

I prefer to cook up so wonky shit (last time I played I did bonecage max aoe blood mage), so I think gemling ascendency would be good for smth like that

[thorny inlet]

oh? i hear it a lot so im just saying what i hear

[next aurora]

But if you don't have access to iron reflexes and benefit from it, then knight errant might be good

[next aurora]

People say a lot of things are bad, and sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong

Evasion isn't bad, it's just more niche than damage reduction layering

[thorny inlet]

for trampletoe, if i really wanted it, but was SSF, how would i even go about it? its just a global unique. do i just hope to stumble across it

[next aurora]

Yes

You'd just have to get lucky

[thorny inlet]

is that not shitty? do uniques just drop like candy at a point

[next aurora]

Kinda

Most global uniques are not very rare, and the extremely rare ones have shenanigans to get them

[thorny inlet]

shenanigans

is there a good place i can learn farming patterns for most of them? im on the database rn but it doesnt give drop tables much

[next aurora]

For example, if you want a unique item that's on a Heavy Belt base item, you can collect white no-affix boring base items and chance orb them to maybe get the unique you want out of that pool.

As long as the item level is above the level requirement for the item you're trying to get that is

[thorny inlet]

ooh i forgot abt chance orbs

[next aurora]

Chance orbs aren't always going to be useful, keep that in mind

[thorny inlet]

ive never had many though

yeah ikik, just kind of a boost to specific uniques

[next aurora]

But in PoE 2 you can recycly trash uniques into 1/10th of a chance orb, to reroll

So when you roll uniques you don't care about on a chance orb, you get a 1/10th refund

[thorny inlet]

do they ever raw drop

[next aurora]

They're moderately rare, but in 0.4 when I was actively playing I'd get them pretty often

You get chance shards incredibly commonly, whole orbs moderately rarely

[thorny inlet]

like slightly more common than divs rare

[next aurora]

Significantly more rare than exalts, significantly less rare than divs

[thorny inlet]

okay that places it in my head

[next aurora]

But divs are used less than chances, so chances are in low supply on the market, and therefore the price is increased disproportionately to rarity due to consumption

[thorny inlet]

my goal is to ssf and not use market

i take pride in doing things myself

[next aurora]

For SSF chance orbs won't be rare, but will be in less supply than you'll probably want lol

[thorny inlet]

ideally i only need like 10 or so :')

but knowing my luck il need upwards of 50

[next aurora]

Different uniques have different drop weights, meaning some are more likely than others even when they are rolled on the same base item

So "chase" uniques will probably be pretty rare still

[thorny inlet]

that makes sense

do you chance for chases or grimd the drop sources?

[next aurora]

I don't go for chases personally, I make as unique builds as possible, see if they work, and enjoy when they do

Sometimes I'll go to 95 on a build, sometimes I'll start maps and see it's not worth it

[thorny inlet]

my thing is the faryhest ive ever made it was in 0.3 killing the first xesht. im kinda not great

my builds always fall off a cliff when fighting the filth lady im A3

and its downhill from there

[next aurora]

I'm lucky in that I don't care about builds being good, I care about them being fun, and just delighted when they end up also good

[thorny inlet]

in 0.4 i made a wolf icr shard build and it took an hour to have the damage to kill forge master

i didnt have damage to kill him by the end of the arena, it was miserable and made me annoyed

i want something viable, that was not

[next aurora]

Well unless you follow a build guide or autistically delve into the build design structure of the game, it'll pretty much always be a gamble lol

I've been playing since Betrayal on PoE 1, so I've been making both trash and gold builds for a while

[thorny inlet]

i have autism. autistically delving was the goal

[next aurora]

Welcome home, brother

[thorny inlet]

i study game mechanics like crazy, im trying to force myself to get it for 0.5 for the challenges

i wanna kill new arbiter

[thorny inlet]

lol thank you

been a bit, but i made it

im about to reverse engineer other peoples builds that work

[next aurora]

Yeah I'm still trying to decide if my starter is going to be my bear build from 0.4 or my bleed blood mage from 0.3

[next aurora]

Better than beating your head against a brick wall like I did

[thorny inlet]

im doing minions for sure, idk if i want to do spirit walker first bc that would be hybrid which is scary or if i wanna do witch

[next aurora]

You can absolutely do just companions on spirit walker, but idk if that's going to be ssf friendly given the new companion unique is probably going to be the most sought after minion/companion related item in the game

The drop weights will be figured out eventually, and it might even be a target drop

[thorny inlet]

what does it mean
"remembrancing (100-8000) songworthy deeds by the line of vorana"
"glorifying the defilement of (79-30977) souls in tribute to amanamu"

[next aurora]

Those transform the tree within radius of the timeless jewel, and the "x souls" or "x deeds" is the randomly generated seed for the jewel's transformations

The transformed keystones are usually related to the names

For example, the Sacrifice of Flesh keystone always comes from Amanamu

[thorny inlet]

so it alters nodes in the area in a way determined by the number?

[next aurora]

Yes

[thorny inlet]

interesting

[next aurora]

And in PoE 1 the community figured out the formula for seed generation, so in PoB 1 you can figure it out while build planning

In PoE 2 we don't have the seed formula

[thorny inlet]

do you choose the seed or is it random?

[next aurora]

Completely random

Done when it drops

Think of it as an optional randomizer for a section of your tree, or a method of getting a unique keystone

The transformations also always depend on the uniqe timeless jewel

Non-unique timeless jewels just add stuff to the already existing tree

[thorny inlet]

my brain will grow 3 sizes next league

[next aurora]

These are called time-lost not timeless btw

[thorny inlet]

ikik, ive gotten a hand full

i understand the non unique ones

just didnt know what the other stuff was

i understand most mechanics to a moderate degree

im just confused on depth

[next aurora]

Yeah that definitely just comes with time

There's plenty of build scholars better than me

[thorny inlet]

eventually i hope to join their ranks

[cyan plinth]

If i upload my character to POEninja and later delete the character, does it stay on POEninja or dissapear?

[honest grail]

passive tree in up on website, it's the old 0.4 tree lol

[fleet blaze]

is there a lich leveling build that's decent that is not essence contagion?

[karmic dust]

The build stays on poe ninja, but is gone from game

So you can revisit the build for next league and tweak it

[next aurora]

Anyone know if Shavronne's Satchel inherets "increased life recovery from flasks" modifiers?

[cyan plinth]

Thats exactly why i was asking, want to archive my currrent one to remake in new league but use the same character name

[next aurora]

Yes, I know what it does, my question is regarding wording and modifier calculation structure

[subtle vigil]

Would Chronomancer's new Phased Form passive's less damage taken contribute to mitigated physical damage for Iron Ward?

[karmic dust]

20% reduced recovery with 20% charge rate with a bonus to refill es

[next aurora]

Less/more modifiers typically apply before defences iirc

[karmic dust]

@next aurora wouldnt that belt be useful for someone taking chaos innoculation?

[next aurora]

Yes

[karmic dust]

Damn im getting good

[next aurora]

Please don't just repeat the description of the item btw, this doesn't provide any help whatsoever

[karmic dust]

I will remember for future purposes.

[next aurora]

Anyone who's played with Shavronne's Satchel, do the recovery modifiers apply to ES, or do they only apply to life?

[karmic dust]

Found this, might help with translating the modifiers
https://poe2db.tw/us/Shavronnes_Satchel

The (20-30%) increased flask charges gained.
Life recovery from flask also applies to energy shield.
They need to at least punctuate the sentence correctly

[next aurora]

My man, I'm asking the question, because I'm unsure if flask life recovery rate is a modifier that affects the life recovery per second value before or after the "life recovery -> ES recovery" effect. I know what it says. I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but you've posted just the item itself 3 times now without adding anything other than the description. I really appreciate the effort, but it's not helping.

[hasty sparrow]

can the manifest weapon from smith of kitava triggers the molten shower from the brutus lead sprinkler?

[next aurora]

So obviously we don't know because 0.5 isn't out yet, but this is actually really interesting now that you've mentioned it.

Starting off, it shouldn't be able to trigger it purely because the manifested weapon doesn't have strength. Attributes are a value mostly relegated to just players.

HOWEVER

There is a node on the south-east end of the tree that adds YOUR strength TO them

So theoretically, yes

It should proc, and gain the scaling bonuses

[gilded dove]

Would it be worth short tracking to get hollow palm over the standard path? Difference is 13 vs 16 points, so 3 levels faster

[hasty sparrow]

is there other uniques that have similar triggering skill that could be tested?

[gilded dove]

big loss of skill/attack speed though

[next aurora]

When I b-line hollow palm I usually take the smallest path just so I don't have to worry about using quarterstaves, then fill out and replace the path later using respecs

[gilded dove]

I was thinking that as well. Respec shouldn't be too pricey early on for 6 points

[next aurora]

It scales with level and as long as you're not respeccing constantly you'll be fine

[next aurora]

I'll look into it to see if there's a method for testing rn

[karmic dust]

And i was trying to tell you the last part is a 1-1 unscalable

The amount you gain in life is applied to energy shield as well

You lose life recovery from flasks but gain charge rate recovery with the perk of the life flask also applied to energy shield

300 life would also give you 300 es

[next aurora]

Orpheus there's an order of operations to mechanics in both path of exiles that determines the value of said mechanics. Some modifiers happen before others to prevent unintended interactions or unintended scaling.

If you have the modifier of "25% reduced life recovery" on a 100 life recovery flask applied before the "applies to energy shield" then you would get for example 75 life recovery and 100 energy shield recovery. This would make sense for scaling purposes because you're not only adding an out-of-the-norm recovery to energy shield, but you're also effectively adding 75% more total ehp recovery from flasks by giving it an overlapping effect.

Instead, if you have the same modifier on the same flask apply after, then it becomes a scalable factor that doubles the effectiveness of of all "increased life recovery from flasks" modifiers. Yes, you get the downside of 25% reduced recovery, but you can also get 270% increased life recovery rate on tree on the southeast end. This is additive with the 25% resulting in 245% for life specifically, but double the effect since it also applies to ES, and now you have 490% increase effective hit pool recovery from flasks.

The difference in value between these effects is massive, and both of them have logic behind them that supports either existing.

On one end, there's reasonable balance logic that would prevent the insane effective recovery of 2 hit pools simultaneously while allowing you to still scale one. On the other end, you make it multiply the value of an existing scalar for recovery, and allow the player's agency to determine investment.

There is game design logic supporting both ideas, which is why I'm asking someone who's played with it, to provide insight on their experience with it

I don't have a high level ranger or huntress to test with this, so I don't have the immediate resources to test it

[karmic dust]

I see what you mean.

[next aurora]

Thanks for your effort man. I tried explaining what I was asking before, but I'm not always clear

[next aurora]

I can't find any other on-weapon triggers for martial weapons in the game currently

I'm sure there's going to be tons more in the future, but surprisingly I think this is the first for PoE 2

Reasonably, I can completely imagine this working, but I wouldn't put my money on it

[winged rain]

just tested. both life/es is identical recovery

[next aurora]

Sick thanks, that's also incredibly stupid lol

[winged rain]

though i didn't really look that closely at passives

[next aurora]

You'd be able to tell if both were lower, or if one was faster

[winged rain]

was using instant recovery pot both recovered 450

[next aurora]

I assume at least, if you'd actually scaled the modifier

[next aurora]

Iirc flask recovery rate modifies instant so this should still be a great indicator

[winged rain]

i'd try with rate, but i gotta do something

[next aurora]

If this logic persists, then that means that Azmeri Brew also scales identically

Which means you can make your life flask scale 3 recovery pools at once

Grab 50% mana before life from various sources, and 10% ES bypass with Atziri's disdain, then you have 3 hit pools being subtracted and recovered simultaneously

Grab the new Reverie, and now you have (I assume at worst) 50% less recovery applied constantly at 3x effectiveness from Life Flasks

[next aurora]

Yeah, with maximal investment this works out to 6.4k ehp recovery per second

Assuming you're not on low life, 5737 ehp/s, assuming you're on low life 6780 ehp/s

Surprisingly, still worse than a damage deferral/recoup setup on blood mage, but at least is mostly local in pathing and therefore really clean to build around

[brazen marlin]

• zero cost his scattering calamity. Machine gun titan is so back

[karmic dust]

So i was correct on the 1 to 1 ratio then.
Actually makes sense really. You get es recovery from a flask but its at -20 to -30% but they "leveled" it by adding increase in charge

So like 2 flask would be 1 whole flask in a sense

[brazen marlin]

Or could double up on ember depending

[honest grail]

most likely the rune mods are tuned down versions of the unique mods

[brazen marlin]

I doubt dusk vigil is gonna get super heavily nerfed

Its a leveling staff after all

And the effect is ok and only becomes special when stacking reduced duration

[honest grail]

I expect we can have only one legacy rune as well

[brazen marlin]

Yeah it's build enabling though so many cool things to do with it

I can think of a good few ways to take advantage of just dusk vigil that imma try out

Hmm oracle gets some reduced duration scaling so could go ember fusilade + dusk vigil rune + the garunteed crit and pick up choir maybe

Probably won't be able to machine gun nearly as good as a titan tho

Titan could also do some str stacking

Iron grasp

[next aurora]

Ok I'd overlooked the biggest thing, which was the "over x seconds" aspect of flasks lol, but I also improved the rate even further. The REAL best that I can get (that's actually accurate to gameplay), is 5.9k ehp/s recovery low-life and 4.9k ehp/s regular

You pretty much only ever get one-shot

And even desecrated ground still allows mana recovery

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE'S A "MONSTERS CANNOT BE KILLED UNLESS X" EFFECT IN POE 2

I HAVE THE DUMBEST AND FUNNIEST METHOD OF MULTI-SCREEN CULLING IMAGINABLE

[faint folio]

I think there used to be a support gem that allowed that but was removed? I forget the name of it

[exotic compass]

Pietys mercy

now exile

KILL MEEEE

[next aurora]

THEY CHANGED IT TO DOMINUS' GRASP FOR 100% MORE CHAIN

FUCK

Actually I'm trying to prevent a DoT from killing something anyways

And that was for hits

Y'know what? I found a way to do this.

Nevermind I'm killing myself

[cedar aspen]

Why do you expect this?

[honest grail]

a lot of these effects will outperform most other runes even if they're nerfed somewhat

limit 1 legacy rune would be a reasonable limitation to build around

would allow the legacy runes to be powerful and exciting

[winged rain]

just casually slap a mjolnir in a mjolnir just for fun

[next aurora]

Is the largest area AoE skill Blood Hunt with Ice Nova as a runner-up?

[swift lintel]

Im going to laugh if the legacy runes are only drawbacks

Everyone out here hoping quill rain rune gonna give more attack speed and it give you -40% damage

[next aurora]

Okay, Iron Ward has the single largest AoE in the game

[fleet blaze]

is it too late to start 0.5?

[olive tide]

where da bleed builds at the fk

[next aurora]

Yes, you should start preparing for full release

Which do you guys think would be better? Using scold's bridle to force Iron Ward to be maxed out on prevented damage as often as possible, or just take the damage from enemies to force Iron Ward?

[clever notch]

hey guys noob here, only with 2 season of exp, any build you guys recommend to lvl the new season? Beside twister? i try it but uff, not my cup of tea.

[viral bough]

Any1 knows if stuff like Brutus Lead Sprinkler works with tactician "Watch How i do it"?

[median kraken]

I'd just say whatever seems fun to you

[median kraken]

I don't think so. I know it wouldn't in PoE1, I think the same is true in PoE2 but not positive

[next aurora]

It adds flat fire damage to attacks, not the weapon, so that notable wouldn't let allies gain the str scaled fire damage

[viral bough]

i don't think we have anything like it in poe1 to compare

[median kraken]

We have Battlemage

And Spellslinger

And they only care about the damage number on the weapon (e.g. at the top of the weapon's stats)

[viral bough]

true that

[olive tide]

so this makes you effectively have 100% bleed chance right or am i missing something?

[next aurora]

It would be inaccurate to say it has 100% bleed chance because it can't be lowered with that wording

You always bleed on hit

Some skills are the same way

They specifically prevent map mods that lower player ailment chance

[olive tide]

ok nice, 2nd question is... can the runes made from these uniques be used in any weapon type? or are they specific to the types of weapons they come from?

[next aurora]

It would be most reasonable to assume these unique runes will be tied to the same item type

One handed maces to specifically one handed maces, quarterstaves to quarterstaves, chest piece to chest piece, etc.

[olive tide]

gotcha... wasnt sure if it was gonna be like for any martial weapon for example.. guess ill find out on launch

ty

[next aurora]

The most ludicrous part of that is going to be Darkness Enthroned btw

Any unique rune with a value that isn't just on/off effect will be scaled by darkness enthroned

[olive tide]

i thought i heard somewhere that some of the extracted unique item properties will be "nerfed" cause they are so strong.. like svalin lucky block for example is insane in any other shield practically

[next aurora]

I haven't heard that, but it's most likely true

Darkness enthroned might bring some of these to their original values, depending on how nerfed they are

[solid coyote]

plant oracle fucks and its comfy

[olive tide]

whats the official name of the unique extracted rune system? trying to find where its referenced in the patch notes but cant seem to find it

[winged rain]

people are getting this info from the item filter changes

[olive tide]

has it not been talked about anywhere else? figured it wouldve been in patch notes lol

[winged rain]

there's mention elsewhere about extracting kalguuran and ezosomething uniques

[olive tide]

ughh another thing to figure out when the patch drops and have to end up re rolling when it does or doesn't work how I think it will

[next aurora]

It was mentioned in the original content reveal video

The long one

But that and the stuff released today is all we know

[winged rain]

people are heavily speculating on it. the power level of the unique extractions seem all over the place, so i wouldn't think too much about it

[next aurora]

I'm betting on them being lower power, but significant effects

Stuff you normally couldn't get without that unique, but low power

[winged rain]

there's some things where that might be even stronger than the alternative

[olive tide]

i just want to bleed things without getting 10 jewels for bleed chance lmao why does ggg keep us guessing

[next aurora]

Can't wait to socket Legacy of Brambjack into my Bramblejack

[winged rain]

like a lesser pain attunement would be able to stack

[next aurora]

You could always use those jewel affixes for damage and go for the "100% chance to bleed" support

[winged rain]

yea, that's where this whole system gets weird. runing a unique into itself seems like the obvious play

[next aurora]

The whole point, I'm guessing, is to have minor unique effects into stat-brick rares

[winged rain]

thorns boots +25% crit? well now it's 50% crit and trivial to hit cap

trampletoe? why not 60% damage to to everything

[olive tide]

man havent played in so long didnt realize theres a 100% bleed support now

[next aurora]

Hasn't that been here since 0.3?

Yeah it was actually

I remember choosing between it and damage on my bleed flameblaster, and settled on incision stacking with ember fusilade as a setup instead

[olive tide]

hmmm interesting, guess i dont need jewels now

[next aurora]

You definitely still want jewels, but as a bonus to damage

[olive tide]

oh yea for sure, i jsut remember needing bleed chance jewels to cap it out.. and the bleed chance quiver for bleed bow

[swift lintel]

Capping bleed chance is a lot easier than it used to be, changes to supports help but so do the extensive changes to the tree since 0.1

It's not really a thing you will need to stress about and largely just happens as a part of normal tree and gearing

[next aurora]

If you're using a high hit frequency skill as a builder, try incision as well

[swift lintel]

In some cases u may want to go for an incision setup rather than straight bleed chance, which probably did not exist when u were doing whatever u were doing before

[next aurora]

Incision isn't used commonly, but it's very good

[olive tide]

yes im going to try and use incision now, atleast until i get the pure bleed damage built up

idk just gonna wing it and see what happens with bleed bow

[next aurora]

Looking at targes and Parry, I might have slept on Parried debuff too long

[shut slate]

quick question, in poe2, cold dmg inherently chills, fire dmg inherently ignite and lightning inherently shock right? do I need to crit to deliver the ailment like poe1?

[next aurora]

In poe 1 you don't need crits to do the ailment, but crits do confirm their application. In PoE 2, crits only help with ailment application by increasing the damage dealt relative to ailment threshold

[swift lintel]

Parry smokes bosses its just hard to keep up/rely on when mapping. If ur looking for single target then it is very strong

[shut slate]

so you telling if i dont invest in chance to ignite/chill/shock, and I dont crit, as long as the dmg is big enough I can still deliver the ailment that associate with the dmg type?

[next aurora]

I'm thinking about shenangans for single target to add to a culling strike build

[swift lintel]

Just dont click the tree nodes theyre kinda ass and theyre mostly in weird locations

[next aurora]

That's the case in both games (with some other conditions in poe 1)

You do need to have at least 1% chance to apply anything though

[swift lintel]

Thats not the case in poe1, if u dont have explicit chance to shock and u dont crit then u will never shock

[next aurora]

But that 1% chance to shock in PoE 2 is absolutely enough if you have enough damage (though the damage required probably just kills them)

[swift lintel]

In poe2 its as u say

[shut slate]

that exactly what i thought too

[next aurora]

I'm saying in PoE 1, if you have 1% chance to shock, you can still have a 1% chance to shock

That's how that works

I'm just saying you don't have to crit

[swift lintel]

He's asking whether hit size matters

[next aurora]

Hit size also matters for not-shock in poe 1. Ailment threshold exists in that game too, but functions for different things

[shut slate]

i am asking if I need any percent of shock in order to shock. imagine I have infinite amount of lightning dmg with 0% to shock, will i shock without crit?

[swift lintel]

No in poe1, yes in poe2

[next aurora]

You have to have 1% chance to shock, but you innately have a TINY % chance to shock in poe 2

As long as you're dealing lightning damage, and you don't have something the prevents you from shocking, you will shock one day

Shock chance is HIGHLY recommended though at least in small amounts

Alternatively use shocked ground or drenched to guarantee it

Also, shocked ground from your skills is modified by your shock effect/magnitude in PoE 2

[shut slate]

the reason of asking is i want to make yokes of suffering to work and deliver all 3 ailments but I only get lightning dmg from Archmage

I need to know if I should spec into % to shock in order to deliver the ailment

if I inherently can shock without % to shock investment, I dont want to waste the point

[next aurora]

There is generic "% increased chance to apply ailments" on tree that helps in situations like this

[swift lintel]

U will have some uptime on yoke regardless of anything else

[next aurora]

You can, but the chances will be incredibly low

[swift lintel]

But depending on ur total damage, the mobs ur hitting, etc then u will probably want some ailment chance

[next aurora]

Basically you just want at least a small amount of % chance to shock

Not much if you want to avoid it

But you'll need some to really benefit from Yoke

[shut slate]

will crit guarantee the ailment like poe1?

[next aurora]

No

[shut slate]

haiz

[next aurora]

In poe 2 all ailments interact with ailment threshold in their own way

[shut slate]

unlearn poe1 will be the hard part i think

[next aurora]

Shock chance is a base value, modified by chance increases, modified by damage, then against their ailment threshold

[swift lintel]

Does nothing except make the hit bigger which indirectly increases shock chance

[next aurora]

It really is

[hearty reef]

Wonder how plausible a smith of kitava with facebreaker and hollow palm would be this league 😅

[swift lintel]

Shock math is super straightforward in poe2 its just 1% chance to shock for every 4% ailment threshold u do of lightning damage baseline

And then u multiply that by shock chance

Its way simpler than poe1 shock math

[shut slate]

nah poe1 shock math is 100% crit = 100% shock xD

lmao

[swift lintel]

Sure but magnitude is a headache

Poe2 shock magnitude is just 20% x 1+magnitude% its braindead

[shut slate]

and 20% is chance to shock?

[swift lintel]

No its base magnitude

Poe1 the harder u hit the bigger u shock

Poe2 the harder u hit the more likely u are to shock

[shut slate]

got it

[next aurora]

Ignites don't normally happen automatically either anymore btw. Now it's the same thing with shock, but the chance per hit adds to the previous in building a debuff called "flammability" that sets base chance to ignite. So you hit them, they get 12% flammability, your next fire hit has a 12% chance to ignite. This can go up to 100%, and regardless of current ignites, builds and drops without being consumed or removed except for old hits timing out.

[shut slate]

so if i hit super fast with relatively medium size hit, I can still ignite

like fire a bunch of ember fusilate

[next aurora]

Yes, but the ignite damage will be bad because the burn dot effect is still scaled off of the hit

[shut slate]

without investing into ignite chance

yeah the goal is just enable yoke for more dmg

and not ignite itself

[next aurora]

Honestly, based on the wording itself, you might just be able to equip one of the uniques that just ignites nearby enemies

[shut slate]

i already plan everything out 🙁

[next aurora]

Alternatively just slap down a Flame Wall with flammability supports and apply the shittiest ignite very quickly

[shut slate]

honestly i feel like i still planning the same way i plan poe1

the 1 button way

but anyhow thank you both for the explanation @shut slate @swift lintel

@next aurora

[next aurora]

There are plenty of one-button builds still, but a significantly smaller ratio of them are good in poe 2

PoE 2 is trying to be a multi-button game, and it succeeds in more ways than I expected, and falls short in some others

[swift lintel]

Depending on ur curse u can also just charged mark for shock on single target

And not have to fuck about all day with shock chance or whatever

[hearty reef]

whats the best one button build youve played in poe2? 😄

[swift lintel]

Ppl used to thunderstorm shock conduction 2 for shock but that is no bueno anymore

[next aurora]

Technically my bear build

Walking calamity + nothing

My 2 button flameblaster was also insane dot dps

[shut slate]

also another quickies, gain as extra happens before increased/more right? so if I have ele gain as fire for example, and 100% increased ele. if I start with cold, it will be

total dmg = cold x 200% + Cold x gain as fire x 200% correct?

[next aurora]

No, conversion and extra doesn't benefit from layering in PoE 2 iirc

That's just poe 1

[shut slate]

but it increased ele no?

[next aurora]

100% increased ele with cold damage converted into fire would just be 100% ele to fire

[swift lintel]

This is worded weirdly but what you've written is correct

[shut slate]

right? so 100 cold - 5% gain ele as Fire - 100% increased ele

total = 100 x 200% + 100 x 5% x 200%? right?

[next aurora]

Example math:

100 cold hit
100% converted to fire
100 fire hit
50% as extra cold
100 fire 50 cold hit
50% increased ele + 50% increased cold
150 fire 100 cold hit

[swift lintel]

Yes

[shut slate]

yes that make sense

[swift lintel]

Its a lot easier to show the example if u dont use generic ele lul

So that u can see which damage applies where

But what u wrote is correct for the example

[next aurora]

I changed it to be more descriptive

[shut slate]

gotcha. i just want to make sure that if I scale increased Elemental dmg/more elemental damage, I will benefit all 3 element with gain as

[next aurora]

Yeah generic ele will still benefit all ele damage

Post extra/conversion

[shut slate]

perfect.

[next aurora]

The difference is from poe 1 though

[shut slate]

like i said unlearn poe1 is harder part

[swift lintel]

Yea not u the other guy sry

Ur fine

[shut slate]

poe1 you double dip at every conversion

[swift lintel]

Yea u would in either game

[next aurora]

Poe 1 layered damage conversion benefitted from increases/reductions from previous steps. Cold to Fire meant benefitting from both cold increases and fire increases, but that doesn't happen in PoE 2

[swift lintel]

As long as ur not gaining phys or chaos or some shit

[next aurora]

Yeah

[swift lintel]

Poe1 u dont really double dip, only ele as chaos or nonchaos as chaos "double dips" and thats because those mods are actually 3/4 individual mods in a trenchcoat

[next aurora]

They got rid of damage modifier layering in poe 2 so you can convert as much in whatever direction you want

[swift lintel]

Increased ele damage in poe1 only works once no matter how many times u convert

And has since 2.0, 10 years ago

Increased ele damage in poe2 only works once no matter how many times u convert

So this specific example works the same, even though the math is different

[next aurora]

I don't think it exists yet, but we can technically have chaos to lightning in this without breaking the math now that layered increases are gone

[shut slate]

poe1 i understand

i skip poe2 for awhile now so everything is new

[swift lintel]

poe2 the practical difference is that if u convert eg phys to fire then phys damage increases dont work anymore

[next aurora]

Yeah it's fairly different

[swift lintel]

Thats different to poe1

[next aurora]

^

[shut slate]

yup got it

[swift lintel]

The other difference is that its all done at once rather than sequentially, so u can have like lightning gained as lightning and it doesnt break the game

[shut slate]

gotcha

[next aurora]

Can't wait to get chaos to fire on infernalist in 1.4

[shut slate]

they should cause honestly i feel like all ascendancy just feel the same

maybe blood mage is different

[next aurora]

Blood mage has ele bleed, interesting crit shenanigans, and has some interesting layering for hit pool

[shut slate]

yeah

everyone else maybe have 2 usable notables

[next aurora]

They're trying to have the mechanics and skill interactions do the heavy lifting, which I think is good for early development, but I can definitely see some need for revisions in the future

[shut slate]

that what I think for witch/sorc

idk about others

[next aurora]

All 3 witch ascendancies are incredibly strong for very different reasons

[shut slate]

i have a hard time to find an ascendancy for my build

[next aurora]

Except the alt lich, abyssal lich sucks ass right now

The only redeeming things about abyssal lich are just the unchanged lich nodes that carry over

[next aurora]

What kinda build do you want to play

[shut slate]

i just saw someone talking about Whispering ice + heatshiver combo for Frost Darts

[next aurora]

I have not done spells in forever and I have no clue where to start with that lol, but you can look at other people's build guides or characters that exist on Ninja

[shut slate]

so int stacking - whispering ice have chill aura so enable heatshiver right?

there is no build guide i think. ninja everyone and their mom play cast on crit comet

so no help

[next aurora]

I mean, you can filter skills on ninja

[shut slate]

yea i did

[shut slate]

also Umbra soul Abyss Lich is bomb in 0.3 i love that node

did Umbra soul katarina bloodline in 3.28 and it slap too

that point is insane

[next aurora]

The problem is in PoE 2, there's significantly more layering with less effect than in poe 1. So larger values on increases have less effect than "more" layers. So umbral souls are bad right now purely because their numbers are good, but don't help in the right directions for the kinds of builds that invest in enough spirit to benefit from them.

I have yet to see or make a successful build with umbral souls in poe 2, and trust me I fucking want it to be good.

[shut slate]

anyhow let me breakdown my logic and you help me out.

I want to build Whispering Ice Int Stacking -> Mana stacking -> Archmage + heatshiver -> gain as extra fire/lightning -> Frost Darts. yoke of suffering cause we have all 3 elementals dmg for 3 ailments

[next aurora]

I would highly recommend MoM for this btw

Maybe even a MoM scold's bridle recoup loop

That is if you're willing to break from heatshiver

[shut slate]

Infernalist: maybe demon form, maybe reserve life and give it to mana. but that all. i dont know how to regen life to counter demon form

BM: idk how to solve life cost with life leech nerf. the rest is good.

Lich: top 2 choice for me right now. cause I plan to run blasphamy curse for explode, then do low life and paint attument

Storm Weaver: I already have shock/ignite/chill. literally all node are useless except arcane surge

Chrono: #1 choice. I thinking cast speed, less dmg taken, slow and timesnap. most defensive and the entire tree go offensive

Varasta: Benefit from Whispering Ice is a staff and can run staff and focus. but everything else is trash

[next aurora]

I'd say your best bet would likely be to go either lich or chrono, but I would look at options other than blasphemy. Curses are really good right now and blasphemy helps with their kinda shitty delayed effect mechanic, but spirit is something that should be reserved for the peakmost skills possible, both defensive and offensive.

I would personally go lich, but that would also require serious investment into defences

[shut slate]

i did umbral souls Doedre Undoing follow captain lance w my twist on it. fking love it. Did ward staking umbral souls this league 3.28. and can tank maven memory game as well

[next aurora]

More specifically require serious recovery investment

[shut slate]

i look at that node every league planning that how I want it to work

[ruby flume]

is someone down to help me understand vaal orbs for 0.5?

what i understand:
before 0.5 they could reroll affixes values
the range of reroll for these values was "-20%" all the way up to "+20%" the initial roll of each affix (please confirm if it was really 20% or if it instead was like 22%)

what i don't understand:

1. do they still reroll affixes values in the exact same way? (i think not, i think somewhere in the patch notes it says it's changed)
2. how do they reroll now?
3. what or how is the best way to reroll example the values of affixes on a unique item to reach that +20%/+22% now
4. is there a way to roll even higher than that +20%/+22% now?

just wanna know how we can now example minmax a +30 Str roll on a Unique head

[next aurora]

Are you talking about Umbral Army? That functions differently in poe 2. You don't get the minions here, just their "soul" effects.

[shut slate]

yeah i meant umbral army

and yes. poe2 u dont get minions. poe1 u need the minion to get the effects

[next aurora]

Yeah Umbral army gives you the minions + benefits depending on what's summoned. In PoE 2, Umbral Souls has no skeletal minions, reserves instead of quantity caps (which isn't as good as it seems), and the values don't reflect the power cap.

Spirit requires VERY significant investment to get large value out of umbral souls, to the point where you're spending more investment building around spirit than what you get out of the souls

Rather than providing layered benefits it's a flat tradeoff

[shut slate]

yeah check out captainlance build in 0.3. I did the build and got to 14k ES and have close to 700 spirit. Also craft this and get a ton of % increased. then use all the spirit to get % increased ES for defense. and do int stacking/mana stacking for Archmage for flat.

[next aurora]

I'm looking at his end of league version of this build, and while it's definitely unique, it also costs an incredible amount compared to most builds of the same power

The fact he got it to work is crazy

And really impressive

But the investment to payout is not good

[shut slate]

yea but hey it works xD

ward stacking umbral army in 3.28 tho. insane. worth the investment xD

[vast cloak]

I was thinking about doing a dual mirage archer/mirage deadeye setup that
A) for single target inc bossing uses ( Plasma Blast)
B) for multi target clear uses (galvanic shards)

How would a buiild work like that

[next aurora]

Yeah I haven't played around with bloodlines in poe 1 very much, but I've made a couple builds around them and got distracted by other games immediately before achieving them lol

[shut slate]

using umbral army

[next aurora]

Yeah, watching him run moderately juiced T15's and spend more than 10 seconds to kill Olroth is uh

Interesting

But, he is at least immortal

He is equally immortal as my 3k life bear build, which I'm not sure which is more impressive

His sheer ES, or the absurd power of layering

[shut slate]

well that much ES in 0.3 is impressive imo

[next aurora]

Oh no doubt

That's the most ehp I've seen in this game

But I could tell from his build breakdown that it was only ehp and recovery, which is great and fine

But even my 5 div blood mage had slightly smaller max hits with more recovery, and roughly 4x the dps in 0.3

[shut slate]

and honestly now i think about it. it a canvas for any spell build no? just need a spell with no cool down, good inherent clear and high flat and cast speed

spirit stakcing will solve the dmg and the defense

i know ES got nerfed but well who know xD

[next aurora]

Yes and no, he was using specifically a combination of really powerful int scaling damage skills from support gems

[shut slate]

oh yea

they change doedre

🙁

[next aurora]

Usually those are terrible, but if you're doing nothing but int scaling then it worked really well

[shut slate]

i only played two builds in POE2

the last lament xbow lich and this

they nerf them both to the ground

[next aurora]

I'm honestly still just sitting here baffled anyone bothered to try and make that insane expensive build and even took it that far

[shut slate]

it looks fun

lmao

[next aurora]

Oh no doubt, it's just wild how much it costs

Well, costed I should say

[shut slate]

well if it too easy why grind

it GRINDing Gear Game right xD

mirror tier every piece of gears xD

[unreal girder]

Any tips for duo leveling a witch and sorc in the eaely campaign for better synergy? It always feels like mobs are buffed more by the party buff than our combined dmg

[bitter tundra]

How are we feeling about ED/Contagion for RotA

[clever notch]

Do you guys think minion gonnna be lit in the next league??

[past wind]

Is there anyway to make cast speed affect attack speed?

[valid aspen]

Passive tree is out #2┃leaks

[fierce whale]

After not playing since 0.1 I leveled up an ec\contagion witch and found it really smooth.
My idea is to play it for 0.5 as well but minions are whispering to me like the green goblin mask

[zenith imp]

still no info on gemling gem effects?

[brave moss]

What does everyone think of going stat stacking martial artist with stone fist HOWA? EIther hollow palm, qstaff or maybe even pillar?

[uncut bay]

I mean it's always been goated in campaign and early maps, it got great clearing speed even in hard maps, but the boss damage is "ethical", maybe 5mil DPS in a good build

so if you want 20mil dps or whatever then it's not for you

[bitter tundra]

I'm not a bossing kind of player so that weakness doesn't bother me that much. I think my plan is to go ED/C, get as much currency as possible, then twink out a monk or something. that new martial artist ascendency looks really fun

though I could just start a monk

[uncut bay]

I mean it really depends on how fast your campaign is and how comfortable you are with going through it

I wouldn't want to spend so much time in campaign personally

[bitter tundra]

My campaign is really slow in poe2, I've only played 2 leagues so I don't have a ton of experience running it

[bitter tundra]

that's a good point

I think i'll just start monk then

[uncut bay]

there you go, just make a character you wanna play then

[bitter tundra]

🙏

[vivid cape]

can you put Atziri's Impatience into Choir of the Storms bolt?

[scarlet cobalt]

Does anyone know how https://poe2db.tw/us/Spray_and_Pray works? Specifically the "moving" part in "50% increased Attack Damage while moving"
Pohx uses it in his permafrost WH, but does that mean Spray and Pray works only with WASD?

[sharp thorn]

Yes. You need to shoot on the moove, and it's the only way to do so.

[scarlet cobalt]

For real? Some passives work only with 1/3rd of the supported control schemes?

[sharp thorn]

2/3. You can spray and pray on controllers.

[scarlet cobalt]

That's horrible

[tranquil raptor]

are all hollow palm builds transition to weapon ones at end game?

I love idea not having to worry about weapon but it seems like it's for campaign/super early maps only?

[twilit schooner]

Depends. the ~15% increase in evasion on gear at endgame might offset the evasion stacking nerf it got.

[sweet hatch]

has anyone made a build guide for the martial artist with the exploding bells yet? not sure what its called

[twilit schooner]

do MS Paint builds count?

[past bobcat]

Hello, Im still not sure what to pick between oracle and disciple of vi for my plant league starter can someone tell me the main pros and cons please ?

[flat jungle]

How do you make a build guide for smth that doesnt exsist yet?????

[flat jungle]

Oracle ez crit and ez notable stuff if you take many keystones

Disciple staff focus -es recharge free armour from es stacking

[sweet hatch]

ppl do that all the time bro

[flat jungle]

Only stupid people do smth like that

You cant make a guide for smth that doesnt exsist

[sweet hatch]

whatever dude lol

[twilit schooner]

You can Theoretically make a Theoretical Build Guide

[flat jungle]

Yeah theory crafting is possible but making a guide isnt realy possible because how can you guide someone if you dont even know how exactly its going to work and feel

[twilit schooner]

Thats why its a Theroretical Build Guide... the guide itself is theoretical, just like the theory crafting

[unreal girder]

How do you deal with boss dmg before bonestorm?

On ed cont

[fierce whale]

Get some good music to listen to/a good anime to Watch while the boss dies

[unreal girder]

Xd

[minor tree]

so tempted to go martial artist flicker strike instead of varashta or gemling but i worry it's bait

[main turret]

What is looking to be good with gemling?

[flat jungle]

We cant know

Need to test all the quality

[livid hamlet]

Same but a bit different for me .

Heart says Spirit Walker, Brain says martial artist, Soul say Firestorm Stormweaver

[dreamy bridge]

it's Martial Artist, Bonestorm Bloodmage, and Chronomancer for me

[steady flint]

Anyone know how deflection works togheter with armour? Does armour get calculated before or after deflection dmg prevention?

[civic kestrel]

After

[steady flint]

Oh damn, then they synergize really well.
With new deflection stuff in merc area, glancing blow keystone is actually looking tempting

[slender lily]

does anyone have a good aura bot for 0.5

[minor tree]

Why blood mage for bone storm?

[dreamy bridge]

nothing meta about it. just flavor lol

[twilit schooner]

Chonk, Flames, Selfless Remnants+ Auras

[dreamy bridge]

chronomancer has a bunch of support cc with time freeze and can go all in on temporal chains blasphemy

[minor tree]

fair!
it always bothered me how blood mage is ironically the worst option for physical spells due to high base crit, so i hoped there was some tech

[dreamy bridge]

I’m begging for exsanguinate

[slender lily]

do you have a guide?

[twilit schooner]

Nope, but I would assume its, Chonk>Flames>Remnant effect+collection range>Selfless Remnants, or even the new Hollow Mask, and then all the Auras you want. Cause Purple Flames being shared is juicy

[livid hamlet]

Issue is that scaling Chaos damage on the other guy can be mid

unless they scale chaos damage themselves

[fringe lagoon]

Most end game builds scale crit bonus anyway rather than elemental/physical damage

[livid hamlet]

I would probably suggest tactician anyway

[karmic lark]

is there a way to make Coward's Legacy "Low Life" work with CI? 🤔

[vivid kiln]

What do you think about "Innate Rune" at the druid side of tree ? (For Wyvern Oil barrage).
Too much point for what it is ?

[twilit schooner]

Its just Pure "#% of damage as extra Chaos damage" you don't have to scale it it if you cant, its an Aura bot adding extra damage

[livid hamlet]

Yeah but it doesn't provide that much damage . Cause if you don't scale chaos damage the gain isn't much

[sharp thorn]

No. With 1 life specifically you always are on full life.

[twilit schooner]

Remnant effect alone get it to be like 130% at 10 stacks

[karmic lark]

was thinking if it rounds up to nearest/up it could worked but I think it rounds down

[twilit schooner]

It depends on how remnant sharing works with other players.

[livid hamlet]

Which is effectively 130% increased damage if you don't scale chaos

[sharp thorn]

Well, no. It used to be the case even without cowards legacy, now it's not.

[livid hamlet]

Cause increases to Phys and Elemental don't scale your chaos gain

[twilit schooner]

still More than 0 % extra

[slender lily]

could anyone help me to make such a build

[twilit schooner]

Its a fucking aura bot, its just there to provide aura's the extra chaos damage is an addition to the auras

[livid hamlet]

I would probably advise tactician over chonk

[twilit schooner]

What can a tactician share to others that a chonk cant?

[livid hamlet]

A fuckload more auras

massive flat weapon damage

stacked banners

and improved immobilization against bosses

[sharp glade]

yea tactician is the better aurabot

more armour, exposure, max res, flat attack dmg etc

le balanced banner gem https://poe2db.tw/us/Refraction_III

[twilit schooner]

gotcha, didn't know banners were that juicable

[livid hamlet]

So Spirit Walker Owl feathers read
Empowers the next Projectile Skill you use, causing it to create additional Projectiles and fly faster.
Staggering palm gives you a buff that sends projectiles from attacks . Does anyone know if this projectile count can be scaled ?
Would the projectile count triple if we use the feathers properly ?

And another question is, if the projectiles would all leave soaring ground . Cause that would make getting soaring ground buff much easier to sustain .

[minor tree]

should be easy to check, but i'd worry it won't multiply the projectiles for all procs of staggering palm

[livid hamlet]

Yeah that's my worry to .

I want to run spirit walker with all animal nodes and buffed stags, but i don't want to just run twister

[minor tree]

it can be tested though, there should be supports to add projectiles to it

[livid hamlet]

Ideally i would be a hipster and run maces or staffs

[minor tree]

but odds are either the owl buff isn't used, or it's used and wasted

[twilit schooner]

unless they changed something I do remember multishot working with staggering palm

Also according to PoE2DB the "Recommended Support Gems" includes Nova Projectiles so i would assume so

[main turret]

I haven't fully played through the game since the game released. How cheap would this build be? https://mobalytics.gg/poe-2/profile/gl1tch3d-6tupst/builds/ccbe551a-5678-4186-b989-5bec6d85e325 a YouTube video showing it off has 60k views. So i'm guessing it's going to become crazy expensive?

[errant lark]

Gaining glory is quite difficult though, that’s the main problem, as a pure support character. You need to attack now

[vivid kiln]

Why people take "Sacred Flow" Shaman ascendancy perk and take 3 unique charm ? I don't understand.

[errant lark]

Dumb

[vivid kiln]

That's what I thought. Ty ^^

[sharp glade]

thats why he has the ascendancy node. With daresso's lineage gem you have one banner at 100% uptime and the rest at 50% and thats with low glory gain investment

[dreamy bridge]

staggering projectiles is weird. I tried with nova and it only procs sometimes like there’s a cooldown

[sharp glade]

I played tactician minions in 0.4 and sustaining my banners was never an issue

obviously i nevevr attacked

[errant lark]

That’s only if you stand still lol

[sharp glade]

you drop the banners on rares

and bosses

[errant lark]

I mean fair. Was hoping you could keep the movement speed buff up or soemthing

Was thinking of a tactician companion angle this league.

[twilit schooner]

Try multishot?

[sharp glade]

They buffed the base range a lot too

you probably get 1+ screenwide banners now

tactician is cool, he also has the best command ability for clear

the only problem he has is that is designed around stacking armour (for refraction III)

and armour is an imaginary defense

I would never again play him again over varashta

[livid hamlet]

Yeah it works.
The question now is if feathers work with that

[west wharf]

no, that would empower the staggering palm itself

so your staggering palm would release extra projectiles

it would not affect the buff

[livid hamlet]

Well it is staggering palm itself that sends the projectiles .
It works with multishot

[west wharf]

multishot stays on tho

[livid hamlet]

I'm also dubious if it works unfortunately, as much as i would hope it would

[west wharf]

one way or another it's worth a test; i had the same plans to try it out

i'm just very doubtful it works that way

[twilit schooner]

Hmm I think if you get Feathers, and Empower staggering palm all attacks from the "buff" inherit the multiple projectiles

[west wharf]

i think that is incredibly cope

the +6 proj would just give you an insane # of proj's on your buff for free

[livid hamlet]

At the price of 2 ascendancy points

And they won't shotgun anyway i think right ?

[west wharf]

the concept in general is just a free gimme

[twilit schooner]

By the keywords alone, Staggering Palm is a "Projectile Attack", so anything that modifies projectiles would modify the projectiles it creates via the buff

[west wharf]

which they tend not to do

[west wharf]

yes

but owl feathers empower the next proj skill you use

not constant

[livid hamlet]

yeah it empowers it to send multishot .

Basically the next use of staggering palm has multishot on

Let me test it out if that works actually

if i take out multishot after triggering staggering palm if the projectiles will stay on

[twilit schooner]

Owl Feathers Empower> Staggering Palm> Heavy Stun's enemy> Buff Created> Buff inherits Projectile effects from Owl Feathers

[west wharf]

you can try it with salvo

salvo would be the most direct comparison

[west wharf]

there is nothing that suggests the buff inherets the proj effects of the attack itself

[livid hamlet]

Oh yeah salvo works

[west wharf]

multishot works because it supports the skill as a whole; it's not tied to empowering a single attack

[stark heron]

cremation+sire of shards+6proj support gem+chain+slamming totems.....your pc will die

[west wharf]

there is nothing at all that suggests the buff is snapshotted off an initial empowered attack

like who knows, maybe it works

but if that were the case

would we not see salvo as a standard support on staggering palm already?

you'd just get 6 additional projectiles for free

nobody uses salvo on staggering palm

[twilit schooner]

The existance of Tempest Bell does. You can Empower Tempest Bell... If the Bell didn't inherit the empowerment then only the initial impact would be empowered but ll the shockwaves are empowered too

[west wharf]

tempest bell has a sustained tag

[livid hamlet]

Yeah so every attack is a separate instance of staggering palm

So if you have the buff you can just roll and the next attack will trigger few projectiles

[west wharf]

but it will not carry over to the buff yes?

[livid hamlet]

On the same staggering palm buff you send out different amount of projectiles depending on the seal count

[west wharf]

salvo doesn't snapshot onto the buff

[livid hamlet]

Yes and no

It doesn't snapshot but it works of it's own counter

[west wharf]

that's because salvo supports the entire skill

[livid hamlet]

If you have the buff and attack it will expend all the available seals every attack

[west wharf]

not a singular empowered attack

owl feathers proc on an attack

they would not snapshot the +2 across every attack

[livid hamlet]

If you have no seals you will launch just one projectile

[twilit schooner]

The Buff is the skill "Staggering Palm"

[west wharf]

the most likely behavior is simply that

there is no snapshot, but if you have the staggering palm buff active and get another owl feather off

then the feather will empower the next staggering palm proc

[livid hamlet]

yeah

that's how it works with Salvo

[west wharf]

there's no snapshotting of +proj across every attack with the buff on

yes

i'd say that's far and away the most likely scenario

2nd most likely being that you have to use a fresh staggering palm to proc, and the buff won't autoproc feathers if you recharge one

[livid hamlet]

That is unfortunate a bit .
I don't even care about the projectile count per say but the soaring ground is kinda nice

[west wharf]

and 3rd, that it just snapshots

they definitely wouldn't let us just perma-soaring ground off a buff

that being said it's not awful soaring ground uptime anyway

a proc every 4s isn't too bad

[livid hamlet]

Yeah but the the automatic cast makes it a hassle to control

[west wharf]

to an extent yeah for sure

[livid hamlet]

i don't want to spawn soaring ground behind me

[west wharf]

if you go whack something to your side the soaring ground will fly the wrong way

tbf that'd only happen if you target a mob behind you

which shouldn't happen too often

[livid hamlet]

Other idea was molten blast

[west wharf]

are you doing 2 in the stag path or 2 in the owl path?

[livid hamlet]

2 in the stag

And ideally non spears, definitely non twister

[west wharf]

if you're trying to maximize soaring ground uptime while clearing with 2stag

it's probably grenades

cus u can just do a grenade>roll with no delay

[west wharf]

i suspect spears would be pretty mediocre for it anyway

1h flat damage

[livid hamlet]

Yeah grenade was a thing i was eyeing but

1. not sure how they scale with projectile speed
2. boring for me

[west wharf]

you'd need super good gear to make the stags do decent dmg with 1h

[vivid kiln]

is it normal that i don't find "Empowered Spark" on PoB ?

[west wharf]

grenades just get chucked faster with proj speed

and yea grenades get a lil old

if you've never tried a surefooted sigil grenade character, those have a pretty different flavor though

i'm pretty sure i'm going to be using surefooted sigil for 2stag regardless of what weapon i end up on

at least until endgame amu

from a clearing standpoint

if ur gear is super good probably the fastest clearer for stag is shred

you just run/dash around with 30%ms from wolf and shred-roll with full AS supports in shred

cus shred has such high AS% that you can dodge-cancel it similar to grenades

and still have the attack go through

but i think that's only at a super lategame point where you have mega damage + herald chaining online, and your stags can clear everything with no supplemental damage from an actual skill

[livid hamlet]

I was also eyeing molten blast with +projectiles and than just something else for chonky things
And stags for general clear

molten blast + stags should feel oka

[west wharf]

i think the only problem is

mace slow + molten blast slow

so it cuts your movement uptime kinda badly

it's not the worst, i tested it out with marohi and rare 2h mace

but it felt like 3 tiers worse than some of the other options for singletarget

the strongest st setup in theory that i tested was a siphoning strike-dodgeroll rotation

[livid hamlet]

For single target i would assume something else would be used

[west wharf]

mm it depends what you want to do with your build really

there's enough strong stuff that you definitely don't have to do stag primary for singletarget

but i think you can definitely make stags work for st pretty well

[livid hamlet]

I was eyeing stags mostly for clear and disney pricess vibes

they looked like they had decent uptime in the showcase

[west wharf]

you can expend ~2.6 stags per attack rotation conservatively during st

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407446668991004674/1508230768969912440/2026-05-24_18-10-04.mp4?ex=6a16c31c&is=6a15719c&hm=1b6a496766683660981030f46a7e5dcb9bad06d80dc6cff7ed49cb8869c44aba&

[livid hamlet]

and with homing they should be good clear .

And depending on the homing capabilities be also pretty good single target boost

[west wharf]

no

the homing does nothing in singletarget

the stags run along a set axis

they can only pivot within a cone

[livid hamlet]

Do we know the size of the cone ?

[west wharf]

so they unfortunately can't do like an actual loop and run on top of a boss

not the exact specifics, but what we do know is you can't get your stags to just stampede on top of a boss and hit with all 4 leaps

in all likelihood unless you have gigantic amounts of AOE, you will hit with 2 leaps

in melee, leap 1 + leap 2

from long range, leap 3 + leap 4

[livid hamlet]

I would assume that you can get 2-3 leaps depending on the targeting

[west wharf]

i think 3 is very unlikely without super significant aoe investment

but maybe

3 would be nice

from the auspex video you can see pretty clear examples of their aoe/leap distance

i think it's safer to assume 2 leaps will hit a boss

[livid hamlet]

That will be hassle, cause you will want the latter 2 to hit the boss

[west wharf]

yeah

i was originally thinking

[late sphinx]

hello i have followed NOTHING about the new expac, i skipped last 3 (i played 0.1, 0.2 a bit basically)

What starters seem good and chill for like exploring poe2 as a poe1 veteran (bow player mostly)

[west wharf]

i'd do siphoning strike > dodgeroll and expend stags with the siphoning strike

but then i realized it'd only hit with leaps 1+2

you have to expend the stags from a pretty decent range to hit with 3+4

[livid hamlet]

I wonder if they snapshot your weapon damage

[west wharf]

wym by that

[livid hamlet]

If i expand them using one weapon set and than swap

Which damage will they scale off

[west wharf]

mmm, grenade starters are usually pretty chill

twister starter is looking monstrously broken compared to everything else

but does have a non-zero chance of getting nerfed in the next 3 days before patch release

[livid hamlet]

ED+C Lich is supposedly very strong

[west wharf]

oh

they will scale off the weapon that expends them

they're just an attack

[livid hamlet]

Yeah so you can expand them with some thick thick crossbow

and then run back into melee range

[west wharf]

yeah that is my exact combo atm

[livid hamlet]

to actually play the game