2┃build-planning

[dawn spire]

If it's anything like spell suppression and armour in poe1, armour should apply before deflection

"best" is very hard to nail down even with a full tree, gem info, etc. So you'll need more qualifiers for a usable answer

Best for what kind of build?

[bold oxide]

and even if we had that info, it still depends xd

[exotic gyro]

and adding 'apply armor to elemental damage' on top of that? that applies after armor
So evasion > armor > elemental resistances > elemental from armor > deflect?

[dire briar]

I guess mix of clear speed and boss dmg. Havnt looked into the skills for mercenary yet. Saw a grenade buod that looked pretty good

[quiet forge]

Gemling is only for specialists so you're trying to decide between tactician (totems/etc) and witchhunter (the rest of the builds)

[quiet forge]

if you wanna play this you're going tactician most likely

just going to assume it's using mortar cannon, that'll get buffed up by his nodes

[dire briar]

Ah nice. Grenade build with the new mortars could be interesting

[quiet forge]

if it was just from the crossbow, you can still go tact, but you also have WH option too

[dawn spire]

Evasion > block > armour > armour to ele > ele res > deflection

[dire briar]

Ya. Wonder if u can put multiple morters and stuff down but suppose can't know that yet

[exotic gyro]

isn't it busted? ele res is 75% capped and then deflection 40% of whats left
This without considering armour and armor to ele

[dawn spire]

With only one active gem of each type allowed, I doubt it

[dawn spire]

The game assumes you're already at 75% ele res so we don't really count that

[exotic gyro]

yeah fair

but I guess it will be tough to get both deflection rate and armour to elemental to decent %

[last bolt]

Do we know when the preload starts (i.e. when we'll get data on the passive tree)?

[dawn spire]

And I haven't checked the details on deflection to see how hard it will be to get high deflection chance and good armour

[exotic gyro]

There's a clip from dreamcore assuming the deflection rate

he speculates 500k deflection for 100% deflection rate

dunno if I can share links here, just joined the discord

[timid aurora]

Is Smith dead? What build is he good for now

[dawn spire]

We don't know. We don't know what builds are good/bad yet

[wary patio]

I think I'm gonna try a fire smith

[timid aurora]

I'm for sure doing ballista WB but also wanna play Chrono and Smith

[wary patio]

They seem to be saying fire DMG on warrior is good so I'm going to try it

[hidden siren]

i heard the druid is good

oh wait

[wary patio]

Sick joke

[timid aurora]

Whatever build I do on Smith I don't want It to be something that is just better on WB

[sharp thorn]

We have exact formulas now, but yeah, the idea is that deflect is uncapped but you will never reach 100% with reasonable setup.

[finite crystal]

blood mage arc is gonna be great. for sure. no chance it's garbage. 100%

[bold oxide]

blood mage literally any spell gonna be great

[hidden siren]

if its over 50% its worth

[inland plinth]

If that’s the case have you tried…not playing smith?

Jokes aside there are some skills that are just better suited for smith but I’m not a warrior savant so I’m not sure what they are

[copper turtle]

is deadeye going to be a expensive?

[hidden siren]

just another layer of defenses so es will still be staple if u go es ev

[inland plinth]

Yes

[hidden siren]

depends

u can def do budget builds

meta will always be expensive tho

[celest blaze]

I'm planning on doing deadeye, but using double maces on WS1 and a crossbow on WS2

[inland plinth]

It will be expensive no matter what even budget stuff will probably be nonsense in price

[celest blaze]

molten blast / Glacial Bolt

[copper turtle]

all cuz of fubgun and his goons

swt

[inland plinth]

Any generic uniques for the first few days if they’re good for the class will be easy money

[copper turtle]

swtg

[dull pecan]

Can always do a non-bow deadeye build too

[hidden siren]

i was able to make a good cheap build in 0.1 when everyone was abusing that dumb la + rod on deadeye

[rancid gust]

My current plan is to finally go minion witch

[hidden siren]

i think its fine

[inland plinth]

Hey guys fubgun here

[hidden siren]

prices of extra arrow bows shot up bc of fubgun but crit bows were reasonably priced

[true gulch]

https://youtu.be/ecMW9Xa-ZXo?si=WIJvpgVFVkf14WYS&t=1841 any build guides for this op skill yet???

[copper turtle]

its fake gng

[hidden siren]

was it an insta kill?

[copper turtle]

yeah 😭

[hidden siren]

its dev mode lol

[grizzled plaza]

I haven’t really kept up with the patch notes, I only watched the reveal trailer. I saw some people saying that demon form on infernalist got buffed. Is there any expectation it’ll be good?

[celest blaze]

It's not a leading meta choice from what I've seen, but it's got possibilities to be strong

[inland plinth]

Demon form no longer yeets your weapon so it should be pretty good

[round escarp]

3% more per stack

So 100 stacks 300% more DMG

And you get your weapon

[inland plinth]

Damn you get to just take my weapon, unlucky

[grizzled plaza]

Nice… sounds pretty promising. I am very torn on what to play today. Witch Hunter and tactician are the two actual classes that stand out to me, but starting at the bottom of the tree feels bad when I am gonna wanna be doing evasion/es. so idk. Maybe it’s just a caster moment

[tiny stirrup]

Is lightning arrow way better than Ice shot this season? I see many LA builds but few Ice shot

[dire tusk]

When EA Started i tried all the different characters. When Huntress came, I tried that one. Now i wonder, which character do I want to play in the new League. Any suggestion?

[grim gate]

Do totems snapshot bonuses at the moment of their summoning?

[finite crystal]

ugh new tree when??? it's killing me I can't play around in pob all morning!

[grim gate]

I am probably making a mistake but I plan to just wing it and then fix it with trial and error. Gives something to do.

[grizzled plaza]

Unfortunately it seems we aren’t getting any more info before launch. A lot of folks hoped they’d release skill numbers or at least the new passive tree before launch but we are gonna have to fly blind

[finite crystal]

yeah it'll be fun 🙃

[celest blaze]

yes

[inland plinth]

Yes totems snapshot that’s why witch hunter double tree being thrown around

[grim gate]

Fair point. Although even tactician can put their 24 points to further boost their totems.

[inland plinth]

Yeah realistically unless the new tree is insane and spreads points thing 24 should be enough

[grim gate]

I just wish summoning them was less clunky. Didn't play them before because calling totems one by one feels less and less endearing the more you get.

[inland plinth]

Usually everything you want is relatively close together

[celest blaze]

Played totems last league, dual +7 maces on weapon swap while using Svalin and a scepter in my main setup. Set up skills so that I was only on the dual maces for the bare minimum to summon the totems and allocated totem skills on that weapon set, then the other set had all the max block node passives allocatetd.

[static plinth]

Witchhunter can path up and get the Templar totem nodes

[thin basin]

wonder if dd build is viable with bind spectre

[grim gate]

True.

[static plinth]

I plan on doing totems + spear probably

[thin basin]

theres this mob with x3 hp of skeletal brute but then dd was nerfed to half % so still 1.5 increase ig

[inland plinth]

Man I went to bed late af to hopefully sleep in but the hype woke me up anyways

[celest blaze]

Witchhunter could be really strong for ancestral warrior totems, actually, though not for the reasons you think.

You could have one setup exclusively designed to generating Endurance charges, and the other for actually dropping the damn totems. As far as I can tell, the best way to generate Endurance charges is with the Resonance keystone and actually generating power charges, but the Resonance keystone is stupid-far away from what you need.

With witch hunter, you could essentially have a quarterstaff monk-style build for generating power charges, then a standard totem build mace tree for dropping really strong totems.

honestly this could be utterly busted.

hrm, though I suppose you might still need to have +max endurance charges on both weapon swaps.

[inland plinth]

Yeah only downside is that you need to somehow make sure you have the stats for your gear on both setups. I proposed they should have gear swaps instead of weapon swaps

[grim gate]

I thought you can't allocate weapon set points on keystones?

[inland plinth]

I want 2 slots for all armor pieces too bahaha

[celest blaze]

oops, nm, you're quite right.

[inland plinth]

That’s true he has a point

[celest blaze]

TLDR: nm lol

poop

[grim gate]

What tempts me is putting alpha's howl on tactician. Migjt be useless. But idea of double*double presence range is endearing.

But how to burn all this spirit when you have 50% efficiency?

[celest blaze]

banners

[grim gate]

Costly supports on persistent buffs?

[celest blaze]

the banners are bonkers

[inland plinth]

Yeah I’m gunna be playing with friends so I’m gunna be banner man

[celest blaze]

I'm so tempted to go Tactician

[grim gate]

No, you see. With alpha's you can fill nearly all skillslots with persistent buffs. Including the banners. It easily tirns into overkill.

[celest blaze]

unset rings ahoy

[grim gate]

So I am thinking of supplementing persistents with some costly supports to really juice them. Or adding some revivong minions along with my ballistas for lulz.

[woven otter]

So 1 button build you say?

[inland plinth]

I’m here to play a keyboard piano with placing banners

[grim gate]

Bless the unset rings. I even used one on my release version gemling.

[inland plinth]

I want to have a game of capture the flag on my screen

[celest blaze]

I miss the +3 skill slot gemling ascendancy 🙁

even on my planned Deadeye build I have gemling skill slot pressure

[grim gate]

Three banners though... risk of being a clunk.

[woven otter]

Everyone gonna use the damage banner, no?

[inland plinth]

Absolutely

[grim gate]

I stopped playing before it was nerfed.

[inland plinth]

Especially since it’s the cheapest one unless they changed it

You get it first

[celest blaze]

I don't know how fast it will be to put them down or how reasonable glory generation will be. That's why I'm probably not going to go tactician off the start.

[inland plinth]

So 30 spirit

[celest blaze]

it gonna get nerfed soon

[inland plinth]

I was testing merc yesterday

If they don’t nerf it pre patch they probably won’t change it

[static plinth]

Double is boolean, doesnt stack

[grim gate]

So. How to burn the alpha howl's tactician spirit. Aura that increases damage with time is no brainer, becauwe it will have either 12 or 16 meter presence radius.

Ah.

So useless...

[static plinth]

Unless Tac is 100% more

[inland plinth]

That being said if they don’t like how it performs in a group they might nerf group buff utility and keep it the way it is applying to you and your totems/minions

[grim gate]

Got to test to be sure.

[celest blaze]

you can always use the new Ancestral Bond or some minions lol

(obviously not persistant buffs, but)

[grim gate]

They do not get reservation reduction so, a bit wasteful.

[celest blaze]

yeah, they seem to be pretty cowardly that way.

[celest blaze]

yeah, would certainly help to piss it away though

[grim gate]

Besides, who on their right mind wish to summon more than 3-4 totems and resummon them every 20m walked...

Such clunk.

[inland plinth]

Totem enjoyers

[grim gate]

Fair.

[inland plinth]

Some people swear by the archetype after all

[celest blaze]

you only need to drop the extras for a boss, usually you just do a "totem walk" when you place them as you go. But even then your "chain" stays active longer

I love totems

I suspect they will be total ass this patch though except for whatever build breaks Ancestral Warrior Totem endurance charge generation successfully.

[grim gate]

I mean... text might not reflext how ot works under the hood, in this case. We'll see...

[celest blaze]

shockwave totems were bad BEFORE they were nerfed to hell.

[grim gate]

Dunno. Did you notice?

[celest blaze]

(at least for me, I hated those suckers. Better for Titan though)

[grim gate]

On their teaser video.

Grenades from the mortar totem didn't bounce.

[celest blaze]

but with the drop to AoE nodes too... non-ancestral totems are dead.

[grim gate]

They exploded on the first contacr with ground.

[celest blaze]

mortar totem is promising yeah

[grim gate]

Good chances are that mortar mitigates the fuse.

[inland plinth]

What I’m thinking is split shot mortar totem gas grenades while using explosive shot

Instant gas bombs

[celest blaze]

That would be huge. Yeah, mortar totems is how I would build totems atm, and it would be hard to argue with Tactician.

[celest blaze]

seems promising

[grim gate]

Maybe. I am thinking cluster and epxlosive while manually running oil and flash.

Or, alternatively, electric grenades along traditional shock trooper set.

Electro shotgun seems promising with the dodge reload.

Some say it was a nerf. I say it might turn out a buff yet.

And a good one.

[inland plinth]

With the ways you can get more bolts it’s very likely galvanic actually got hyper buffed damage wise

[summer pasture]

Did plasma shot get buffed?

[inland plinth]

Just not as good early

[summer pasture]

Was looking into a grenade and plasma shot build for witch hunter

[woven otter]

Could shove a bunch of aura curses on a tactician too

[inland plinth]

Plasma blast?

[grim gate]

Kinda. They buffed the shock duration.

[inland plinth]

It gained 50% shock magnitude and 10% more phys to lightning and that’s all

[rare pike]

Hey, I wanna do an armour shatter warrior build that uses a bow/crossbow. Anyone that has a similar build or advice?

I already claimed the name "ShatterString"

[inland plinth]

Shock duration extended across the board

[steep igloo]

i mean i 90% of the time go HC SSF minion army, i was gonna try monk, but i guess they just made my decision for me

[grim gate]

Considering how powerful of a shock you can setup with it, duration buff is significant.

[static plinth]

Exploding Gas doesnt do much damage though does it?

Are there any payoff skills for Pin

I might use Ripwires

[grim gate]

I'd probably try a shock-focused tree on witch hunter just to try and juice out 60-100% shock damage multi out of plasma blast.

[inland plinth]

Exploding gas used to be bonkers damage then they nerfed it. I wanted to use it more for double screen wide AOE clear. I would use something else for single target

[summer pasture]

Warbringer gets a node that does 10% armor break on hit

[grim gate]

Armor break is rather accessible, no?

[inland plinth]

Crossbow has a skill that does armor break on it and the skills are better suited for armor break stuff imo

[grim gate]

Dunnk if a whole ascendancy node is worth it opportunity wise.

[hoary bolt]

armor break is a little tough if you deal majority elemental damage

at least passive break

[inland plinth]

Plus crossbows utilize strength and dex so rather than path across the planet to use a bow you don’t have to travel as much

[woven otter]

Support gem that explodes pinned enemies

[hoary bolt]

armour piercing rounds is easy on bosses, but passive break is hard while mapping

[true gulch]

Gorathas or CaptainLances Bloodmage build? which is better?

[rare pike]

I know my whole plan was warbringer + bow but I tried previous league and it was just bad

[summer pasture]

I mean it frees up a skill slot for more damage

[grim gate]

Also true.

Nuances.

[rare pike]

My plan was spiral volley for clearing maps , but I forgot about acc

[hoary bolt]

scavenged plating is super strong

so passively breaking is excellent

[summer pasture]

But the nerfed my thorns buff from plating

[true gulch]

Gorathas or Captainlances Bloodmage build? which is better?

[summer pasture]

No one knows it's preference

They are both speculating what they think will work out so its up to you what you want to try

[inland plinth]

Since warrior can take advantage of armor break with fire damage using a passive node crossbow would be pretty good with explosive shot

It does pretty good phys damage as a skill and fire damage at an 80% conversion rate for the explosion

[rigid edge]

If I take chalupa monk and go for the leech on chaos damage, does it really not work with spells at all? Like if I go for the fire-chaos conversion node I can't spam fireballs etc and leech from them?

[inland plinth]

So with that warbringer node you could easily make use of armor break via explosive shots fire damage

[inland plinth]

Depends on the wording and order of operation of how damage and conversion applies. I’ll go look around a bit rq and see what I can find

[rigid edge]

Thanks. From what I read it just says that spells in general can't leech.

[inland plinth]

Without the blood mage leech node you are correct

Unless it specifically states spell leech only attack damage can leech

[woven otter]

There is a unique that lets spells leach 5% lol

[inland plinth]

^so that could be an option

[woven otter]

But it makes your spells cost life and mana

[inland plinth]

And without blood mage you don’t have instant leech so it’s probably not sustainable

[woven otter]

And it’s a body armour lmao

[rigid edge]

Wait so what's even the point of the chaos damage leech then? Is there even a chaos damage attack skill?

[inland plinth]

Yes and you can convert damage to chaos as well

[woven otter]

Chayula has access to extra damage as chaos

[rigid edge]

I mean I guess yeah

[woven otter]

It helps elemental attacks leech with the extra chaos

[inland plinth]

So essentially what happens is this. Damage type->conversion->scaling->leech applied with attacks

[rigid edge]

Gotcha. That's kinda disappointing

[inland plinth]

Poe1 you swap scaling and conversion.

[woven otter]

Is there a build that stacks on-kill effects?

[inland plinth]

I’m sure there is but it’s not something commonly used aside for some simple life/mana sustain

[winged rain]

Wasn't there one that used it to stack ice wall procs?

[static plinth]

Anyone know if Delayed Reaction works on Spearfield?

actually better question

Is the spearhead's aoe larger than their trigger aoe?

[inland plinth]

Yes but they giga nerfed instant wall breaking

[winged rain]

Yea i know, but it existed

[static plinth]

For like, using Killjoy?

[woven otter]

Yea

[static plinth]

Not much besides clear like Cultist Warhammers i think

[inland plinth]

I’m probably going to try a second build this league because I’m super interested in a warbringer warcry warrior

With them making warcries pop fissures and the body explode on the same node as no cooldown I want to make a ghetto DD

[dusty bear]

is leech readily available for attacks in general? Or mostly just physical damage?

[grim gate]

Wargrown warmen do not warcry.

[inland plinth]

My man would be crying 24/7

The tears of his enemies bodies exploding

[merry scarab]

does this mean you can scale the damage now then?

[drifting cedar]

no

[static plinth]

Opposite

[drifting cedar]

it was a hit prior, which opened up impales and crits

[static plinth]

Gets rid of edge cases where you could scale teh damage

[cunning gust]

90% unscalable -> 100% unscalable

[merry scarab]

yeah i get what the change is, its just that the wording no longer has unscalable in it, but i guess life loss is inherently unscalable?

[candid garnet]

hey guys i know we dont have the tree yet but i was wondering if my build idea sounds possible with what we know, i was gonna do a spear monk of chayula fire/chaos phys monk with the spearfield skill gem

[drifting cedar]

I'm unaware of any ways to scale it, at least. It isn't technically damage so global damage modifiers are out. You'd need specifically something like "Enemies take X% increased life loss from you skills" and as far as I know that doesn't exist

[merry scarab]

oh so like armour broken and this?

great thanks

[drifting cedar]

no

that says damage, not life loss

[verbal kindle]

did the evasion calculation nerf amazon?

[merry scarab]

oh i guess life loss isnt physical either right

[vast sandal]

Anyone plz what is the best way to convert lightning damage to fire damage?

[merry scarab]

so shock then?

[static plinth]

Not shock either

Its not damage

Shock is increased damage taken

[drifting cedar]

its not damage. you cant scale it with anything that says damage

[static plinth]

It is currently unscalable

[merry scarab]

so it is inherently unscalable then

[static plinth]

And will likelky stay that way

[drifting cedar]

the wording would have to SPECIFICALLY say increased life loss taken

[vast sandal]

Convert lightning damage to fire how plz?

[merry scarab]

alright then lets say im doing a bleed bow build, and i happen to want to use blood hunt, is there nothing outside of attack speed and haemocrystals i can link to blood hunt?

[static plinth]

AoE

[merry scarab]

hmm so mostly just utility stuff huh

[drifting cedar]

avatar of fire

[static plinth]

Yeah

[merry scarab]

since its going into my second set i was also looking for something on the tree, but i guess not

ill just put a shield with it on and use shield charge then i guess

[novel ridge]

Trying to do frosty archer with a companion subtheme, any recommended ascendency? Rn I'm thinkin Deadeye, Invoker, or Amazon but I'm open to ideas

[vast sandal]

But i then want to convert my fire to chaos and that won't work. Basically i want chaos arc

[teal dock]

Original Sin ring your best bet

[drifting cedar]

sounds like original sin territory

[static plinth]

Voltaxic Rift or Original Sin

VR bad though

[teal dock]

Oh yeah that bow

[vast sandal]

Thank you!

[drifting cedar]

very much hoping for lightning to fire convert gloves or ring at some point so I can do ignite plasma blast

[inland plinth]

You could always do the shenanigan method and convert convert convert

[static plinth]

Cant do that in 2

[vast sandal]

The new witch keystone fire to chaos looks fun

[drifting cedar]

wish it wasn't spells only but yeah seems good

[teal dock]

I'm planning on using Nebuloch on my Smith and going blackflame covenant for some chaos living bombs
Might do something with an Ashen Staff too but that might be early game :(

[vast sandal]

Yeah blackflame thats the one

[inland plinth]

Does it do all conversion at the same time? I thought it had the standard order of phys->lightning->cold->fire->chaos

[teal dock]

[vast sandal]

Lol

[static plinth]

Nope, we have backwards conversion now

[drifting cedar]

nah conversion is any direction in 2

[static plinth]

So you cant chain conversion now

[winged rain]

No chain conversions

[vast sandal]

Yeah it won't stack

[static plinth]

Like Valako's Vice converts fire to lightning

[rigid edge]

What's the go-to way to sustain demonform these days? Didn't really play 0.2 at all.

[inland plinth]

I don’t understand why they have to make all the damn formulas different game to game lmao

[teal dock]

Always wanted to do a Chaos Warrior. I hope for some more Chaos nodes this patch lol. Either way I'll try something and have fun

[drifting cedar]

chaos stuff is literally as far from warrior start as it gets

[vast sandal]

They are improving on old formulas to help make this game better balanced.

[static plinth]

My second character is probably gonna be Nebuloch Perfect Strike, since we have Perfected Endurance for 100% Nebuloch uptime now

[teal dock]

There is one chaos tree right next to Templar start

[inland plinth]

I understand being able to convert in any direction as being beneficial but multi conversion doesn’t really hurt that

[teal dock]

But yeah it'll be a journey

[inland plinth]

Plus scaling happens after conversion for Poe2 anyways

[vast sandal]

I think its more about interacting with other mechanics rather than fixing one specific one

Making all the mechanics and calculations work better together as one rather than individually

Poe 1 is still very very buggy in the sense of how mechanics work. And poe 2 is actually much more refined

Weapon swapping for example just wouldn't be possible in poe 1. It would be a while process that would probably just bog ur game down.

[teal dock]

I love weapon swap

[vast sandal]

The changes for poe 2 are amazing and the quality of life we get this patch we have waited 10+ years for. Im very excited for .3

Im glad GGG has the long term in sight and isn't just some cash grab game dev

The interview they did with darthmt was very solid and they are very open about why and what they do

[static plinth]

What happens if you weapon swap to a non-rhoa compatible weapon

[teal dock]

Death

[lucid zephyr]

how many are gonna go down the chaos damage path not that it should be buffed a bit?

[golden violet]

blood mage or merc with balistas?

[merry scarab]

you insta sprint trip

[heady garnet]

weapon swap has been in poe1 for years bro

[fickle carbon]

How are ya'll planning to do ES CI builds in 0.3.0? With grim feast gone, I'm unsure how to actually stack good ES.

[cinder tangle]

Yes

It’s like 1/3 less effective I remember reading a comment on Reddit where the guy goes through the maths for it

[cinder tangle]

Merc is looking very tasty with all those weapon points

[static plinth]

Does that compare to Acrobatics or without?

[normal torrent]

Guys, I dont wanna do a bunch off weapon swapping and I'd like to do rarity stacking late game. What are best ascs/builds for me you think?

[cinder tangle]

I think it was just the base calculation so without maybe but I’m not certain sorry bud

[cinder tangle]

Weapon swapping is now instant btw

[static plinth]

Probably a bow or spear build ig

Or quarterstaff

[normal torrent]

ASC is probably ritualist only?

[static plinth]

Any should be fine

Monk, ranger, huntress, merc

Sorc witch and warrior are a bit out of the way

Spellcasters want to weapon swap for curses and crossbows want to swap for grenades though you dont have to

[rose arrow]

Can you still stun a tier16 boss with explosive bolt if you don't take titan ascendancy?

[normal torrent]

i just figured ritualist is best since oyu ahve 3 ring options so seems strongest for MF

[teal dock]

me

[static plinth]

Oh yeah, 100%

Forgot your MF criteria

[normal torrent]

Does that change anything else?

[static plinth]

nah

[normal torrent]

Hard thing though is that I cant find alot of info on builds for ritualist

just want something braindead lol

[static plinth]

Its niche

[cinder tangle]

One button builds ARE the best

[rose arrow]

The dark tower was removed.

[teal dock]

I'm using this on my smith lol

[cinder tangle]

@normal torrent do you think it counts as brain dead if it’s one button merc but you need to swap weapons for different scenarios

[normal torrent]

for like map boss? nah thats fine.

[static plinth]

Armour to Deflection was Tactician only right?

[cinder tangle]

I’d like to try a merc with mapping and bossing set up on different skill trees using their increased weapon points

[toxic hawk]

I haven't played for like 2 seasons and am thinking of going ice monk again, does he still get one shot easily? or should I just go spark sorc

[cinder tangle]

Dunno find out tomorrow

[toxic hawk]

tomorrow? I thought the new season came out yesterday?

[teal dock]

Event Horizon is just for chaos skills right?

[cinder tangle]

No

[teal dock]

like the self damage taken

not damage dealt

[cinder tangle]

Its technically out in a few hours

[toxic hawk]

oh crap my abd then, thanks!

bad*

[twilit bane]

Hey everyone, Im new to POE, i asked chatgpt for a good build, and it tells me that |Arc + Cold Snap Explosive Elemental Build" is a good mob clearing build for this game. What does eveyone think of it? Should i try it or is there a more newbie friendly build to try? Thanks

[fossil silo]

is there any support skill gem that increase Perfect Timing window?

[static plinth]

Yeah its stonks when you convert to chaos

[static plinth]

No, the Assailum helmet does tho

[teal dock]

know what I'm going for for my blackflame smith lol

[fossil silo]

alright thanks

[cinder tangle]

New season starts later mate so no one is really sure but Snap has been nerfed so i would not use ChatGPT lol

[soft lake]

How are we feeling about Infusions? Do we think Stormweaver's Infusion benefits and +1 limit to elemental skills (Firestorm, Elemental Storm, Orb of Storms, Solar Orb, etc) makes it worth picking over Bloodmage just being generically strong?

[north talon]

I mean super hard to evaluate infusions atm :P

[woven otter]

I change my mind on builds every 2hrs is that normal

[hidden siren]

using chatgpt for build advice lmao

[soft lake]

True, ha. I can certainly see the benefits of Stormweaver for something like Firestorm specifically. +1 limit without needing to use Overabundance with its 50% less duration modifier seems very good, both for getting more damage per cast and for more damage per infusion spent. And a lot of the elemental skills with limits being related to infusion generation means I can see how it'd be very synergistic, it really just depends on how strong (and smooth) they end up being

[brazen ginkgo]

Aside from minions, what do people think are some solid HC SSF starter builds for this upcoming patch? I feel like I can't find much discussion on this topic online

[hidden siren]

deadeye

[verbal merlin]

well there is no tree and no support gems fully revealed its kind of hard to say anything about the game

[dawn spire]

Personally my list is:
-Cold spell life blood mage
-Cold spell CI chrono (Convalescence spam with cd reduction)
-Mortar totem chrono (depends on how strong mortar totem is)
-Poison Void Illusion darkness monk of chayula (I'm not very optimistic here)
-Chaos dot tactician (double dark effigy with weapon swap rapid shot for bosses, ED+Contagion for clear)

[distant glade]

just started catching up and reading patch notes. does chayula seem good?

[dawn spire]

Everything seems good if you build it right

[distant glade]

okay ill start putting something together

[dawn spire]

Chayula is my 2nd most hyped ascendancy, personally. After chrono

[distant glade]

just didnt know if it was still like troll to play

[dawn spire]

Not even close

[distant glade]

okay cool

[soft lake]

Yeah, I don't think anything looks unplayably bad, it all looks like it should be viable

[dawn spire]

I think it was fine before, too. You just had to get creative

[soft wren]

debating on chrono start or just pussying out and going deady then swapping over

[dawn spire]

Dead-I sleep

[distant glade]

xbow > bow

[dawn spire]

Also I play hcssf so lmao deadeye

[soft wren]

I know I know, played in S1 and was pretty boring

[static plinth]

Chayula still seems meh but its better than .2

100% purple flames is kinda huge

[distant glade]

ye

[static plinth]

And the volatility stuff is probably good if you can tolerate it

[dawn spire]

Void illusion with a huge-ass 2hander seems craycray

[static plinth]

Isn't it's damage kinda bad?

[dawn spire]

It's like 450% base damage, isn't it?

And probably goes up as you level

[static plinth]

I think that was a level 9 void illusion

[dawn spire]

I'm gonna try it, just not sure if I'll do it in hcssf or with my friends in trade

[static plinth]

Its probably okay but not for how much clunk it has

Wait is it a hazard, can it rearm?

If so there's the support that makes it so hazards detonate at the end of the duration which would make it pretty tight

[dawn spire]

How doable is it to get 100% poison chance and raise the duration to match its cd?

[haughty knoll]

Hey yall, are there any good insights yet into what the best class-ascensions will be?

[distant glade]

the one u want to play the most

[kindred thunder]

So how would you build some chrono cold spell?

[rancid cloak]

Is the mana leech fixed ? Looking at Chayula build

[static plinth]

Yeah 410% at level 12 seems only okay

Not something to build around

Solid AoE though

[dawn spire]

Oh, it's any martial weapon... It works with bows...

[lean canyon]

Hey, wanted to try a crossbow explosive shot kind of build, what would the optimal and safest class be to start off? Like one that would also allow me to change into a safer build in case I need to

[dawn spire]

It doesn't actually specify that the explosion does chaos damage, right?

But it definitely does chaos, according to the reveal, right? Or did I gaslight myself into it being pure chaos?

[dusky tartan]

Have pob for blood mage?

[woven otter]

what is the "buff" 👀

[dusky tartan]

Life based

[dawn spire]

Void illusion. It's a buff that makes your rolls do the thing.

[soft lake]

No-one has POBs, the tree isn't out yet

[dawn spire]

If anyone says they have a pob for anything they're trying to sell you something

[quiet forge]

Wrong server

[woven otter]

i know, but what information would be under the buff tab

[quiet forge]

:^)

[dawn spire]

Probably the reservation amount and a description. Likely very similar to the spirit skill that makes illusions when you roll and grants power charges when they die

[woven otter]

ahhh

[brazen ginkgo]

Thanks! will look into related ideas

[dusky tartan]

Haven't read patch notes at all. Didn't know they are changing tree.

[celest oxide]

Xbow Merc or Purple Fireball Blood Mage I can’t decide

[queen mesa]

What is my best option to use poison in endgame?

[woven otter]

isnt pathfinder best poison?

[olive tide]

Thoughts on arc ignite using archon of flames?

[queen mesa]

I am a strange person ,I always enjoyed used altered status to kill bosses or elites and my favorite is poison, so if there is a good way to use it in the new league I would love to try

[teal dock]

Poison Fire with Blackflame Covenant

[dawn spire]

If anyone claims they know the best endgame poison option before we have any information, they're trying to sell you something

[static plinth]

Poison Blackflame cooks actually

[teal dock]

Not saying it's the best way myself, just that it's something I thought about before I knew BFC was fire spells only

[dawn spire]

Literally

[static plinth]

You'd be able to scale both poison and ignite identically right

Well almost identically

[teal dock]

I was gonna do a huge chaos damage perfect strike lmao

[dawn spire]

Yeah, basically

[static plinth]

Do what i dont have the guts to do with my first character

Nebuloch Perfect Strike

[teal dock]

It's true

I want to do that lmao

[dawn spire]

Wait so is void illusion NOT 100% chaos damage?

[static plinth]

I guess not?

That seems weird tho

[teal dock]

I'll aim for an original sin, but for now I'll do fire spell on hit with BFC

[static plinth]

Maybe the reveal was just missing the text, wouldnt be the first thing

[dawn spire]

I agree. I thought they said it was chaos in the reveal

[queen mesa]

Sound fun , probably will try

[soft lake]

I love the idea, and it's probably something I'll try down the line, but I'm not sure I could recommend it for a league starter

[dawn spire]

"Massive explosions of darkness" was their wording. Gfdi

[woven otter]

this ^

[dawn spire]

Well now I guess I can do ignite as long as I do a lot of fire

[queen mesa]

I have played infernalist minion in the first and lightning in the second now I want to do a charavter for fun

[dawn spire]

Avatar of fire void illusion 2h mace build incoming

[soft lake]

Getting capped poison chance while also being in the witch area of the tree for Blackflame Covenant sounds tricky. And being able to scale poison and ignite magnitude at the same time will be difficult without good jewels. Crit might be the best option to scale them both at once, in fact. But it's not something I'd try without having some gear lined up already

[dawn spire]

What were the first two for?

[dawn spire]

Pathfinder gets extra passive points (:

[soft lake]

It's only 6 though, right?

[dawn spire]

Yep

I think

[soft lake]

You know what, actually... Witchhunter might be the best way to do it

One skill tree for poison, one for ignite

[cinder tangle]

Witch hunter is going to slap

[soft lake]

There are going to be so many four-dimensional Witchhunter builds

[dawn spire]

I don't think that'll work since both need to allocate blackflame covenant. And you won't be able to poison and ignite with the same skill anymore

[soft lake]

Yeah, that's true...

[static plinth]

Acolyte should be solid tree position right?

[dawn spire]

Or pathfinder

[scarlet rover]

i was going to play deadeye but saw some video saying it has been giganerfed is this accurate?

[dawn spire]

No

No one knows shit

People are farming clicks

[static plinth]

You can still just normal path to Covenant, get some jewel sockets, and then use like 70 points to do the rest of your stuff

[scarlet rover]

XD ok thx that makes sense

[static plinth]

It got a slap on the wrist in the latest patch note patch notes

[dawn spire]

Yeah but then you have some fire spells for poison and others for ignite. I thought the idea was to do both at once

[soft lake]

Acolyte of Chayula has a notable that lets chaos damage contribute to ignites, shocks and freezes anyway, so you wouldn't need to take the keystone

[static plinth]

Covenant makes you ignite with chaos damage

[static plinth]

Only 1/3rd of the time though

But yeah thad prolly work

[dawn spire]

If your weapon swap trees are split between poison and ignite that still doesn't solve it

[static plinth]

oh right duh

If we could still have multiple of one skill you could make that work

[viscid yarrow]

is there a RF life build in poe2? brain off just press W

[static plinth]

Hate that they took that out

[static plinth]

Thorns

[dawn spire]

Me too. Rip my multi mortar dreams

[static plinth]

Double Dark Effigy one with Greatwood was goated

[dawn spire]

Someone will probably make a void illusion build like that, but with massive changes coming we can't say

[static plinth]

At least since i work through the patch drop i can skip queues when im home and spy the passive tree while im at work

Minions dont snapshot right?

[dawn spire]

Man, void illusion just doing your weapon damage has killed my hype for chalupa tbh

[viscid yarrow]

hmm is there an easy tanky build for old ppl like me 🙁 haha

[dawn spire]

Chrono 1000%

[dawn spire]

Define easy

And until we see the tree, gems, etc, no one knows

We. Have. Nothing.

[viscid yarrow]

guess just wait and see for now

maybe its time to try minions

[dawn spire]

#2┃build-planning is just this until we get real info:

[stark kestrel]

Persistent minions don't snapshot but temporary ones (unearth and zombies).

[soft lake]

Most skills snapshot the weapon and tree they were used with. But persistent minions, I believe, update when you weapon swap (and they also need to be reserved on both weapon sets to persist)

[static plinth]

Unearth Witchhunter gaming

[dawn spire]

If you have void illusion on one weapon set, roll, spawn the minion, and swap to a different weapon that does not have the buff active, does the illusion die, despawn, or stay alive?

[vast acorn]

What's your opinion about Blood Mage strength? A+ tier?

[soft lake]

Yes

[dawn spire]

Opinion? Finally a question we can answer. S tier for me

It's a hcssf dream

Just below chrono which sits at the top of S tier

[soft lake]

I'm so torn between Blood Mage and Stormweaver for infusion-based casting

[dawn spire]

Smh not doing chrono

I'll show you. I'll show you all.

They gave cooldowns to so many more spells. Chrono is only getting stronger

[soft lake]

Chrono seems solid, lots of indirect buffs with all the cooldowns they've added

[static plinth]

They gave Blood Mage better Decimating Strike which is really funny to me

[soft lake]

But Stormweaver looks really synergistic with the infusions and the extra limits for elemental skills

[dawn spire]

Tbh, I didn't read stormweaver changes until just now

She's ok

[summer pasture]

Thorns

[dawn spire]

What elemental skills have limits besides orb of storms and firestorm?

Flame wall?

[soft lake]

Elemental Storm (the Stormweaver ascendancy skill), Solar Orb, Living Bomb, Flame Wall

[unkempt prairie]

Hey folks, trying to build a chaos-SRS type Infernalist thing. Do we know if Blackflame Covenant applies to minions/SRS? Or if there's a way to get a similar effect?

[dawn spire]

Hmmm

[trim tulip]

Hey friends, Happy League Day! How are we feeling about the new deadeye?

[dawn spire]

Does that matter if the storm has a 3s cooldown?

[teal dock]

if the minion has the fire tag and the spell tag

[dawn spire]

And I guess orb of storms doesn't work either because of its cooldown

Frost bomb, too

[soft lake]

It has a 5s duration, and you can obviously boost that further

[dawn spire]

I think frost bomb has a limit

Oh shit

Idk what the storm does, but it sounds like it must be useful to be an ascendancy node

[soft lake]

It deals damage every 0.25 seconds

[west wharf]

anyone planning to run incendiary shot?

[dawn spire]

I sleep, personally. But I'm a hipster who has a chronomancer body pillow

[silver sigil]

Any opinions on hollow palm?

[dawn spire]

I think it's gonna lead to carpal tunnel or broken fingers

Also it's not mortar totem or ele spells so I sleep

[drifting cedar]

mortar totem flashbang titan has to be good, it just has to

[dawn spire]

If it has to, it has to

[quiet forge]

Consult a doctor, you might have narcolepsy

[queen mesa]

Farm most currency possible to build second characters the I never had time to do

[astral geode]

the new version of snipe does 100% more damage to frozen enemies. Does it also consume frozen? could you uses biting frost with snipe to pump up dmg?

[meager jackal]

is amazon good choice for beginner? (Got deadeye to lvl78, titan to 46) so far in PoE2

[drifting cedar]

where did you see 100% more to frozen? I can only find "much more damage" in the patch notes

[celest oxide]

Sooooo Tact or WH for XBow Merc?

[drifting cedar]

WH is a great first character tbh

[meager jackal]

I would like to try tactician but im solo player and not sure if this is viable option ?

[quiet forge]

Why wouldn't it be?

[celest oxide]

Yeah it is

Tact might be insane depending on what changed in the skill tree

[meager jackal]

idk it provides buff to allies which i have none haha

[celest oxide]

If you can have like 80% uptime on the banners

That’s insane

[drifting cedar]

it says consuming in that picture but we might have to see the tab for Explosion

[static plinth]

That also works on minions but you can just ignore that node

[celest oxide]

But if it’s like 40%

Meh

[static plinth]

You should be able to have 100% uptime i think

The issue is they dont move

[celest oxide]

It depends if that node in the tree stays as is

[hoary bolt]

why are people obsessed with banners

movement speed brainrot

[celest oxide]

That lets you keep banner effects for 4 seconds after leaving

[celest oxide]

War Banner seems crazy too tbf

[drifting cedar]

seems like a lot of work tbh so I hope its strong because micromanaging short buffs is ass

[hoary bolt]

war banner is worse than before lol

[celest oxide]

But I don’t think hardchasing movement speed is wholly incorrect

How the numbers are way bigger

[native surge]

Ms is one of the best stats in the game 🙂

[drifting cedar]

simply go pathfinder and use the +6 points to click on ms on the tree

[hoary bolt]

it gives 25% more attack now. it gave 42% more before

massive nerf

[timid aurora]

What is MS

[native surge]

Movement speed

[soft lake]

Movement speed

[timid aurora]

Oh

[celest oxide]

Wasn’t it also like 5 Attack speed before

Now 25

[copper turtle]

For season 3 what will be a better pick, dead eye or monk?

[hoary bolt]

it didnt give attack speed before

but the more attack damage dropped by 17%

[distant glade]

is there somewhere i can read void illusion?

from chayula

[hoary bolt]

also it gives 50% accuracy now instead of 210%

[acoustic gale]

wdym it was 5% before?

oh wait cause of valour im dumb

[hoary bolt]

read the gem lol

it got 7x strength at 50 valour

[hollow galleon]

no tree yet? where the dataminers at

[meager jackal]

idk if i should roll amazon, witchhunter or tactician as beginner solo player. What would you do?

[soft lake]

Being a solo isn't really a factor

[hollow galleon]

wait for the tree first

[soft lake]

I don't think we're getting the tree before league start

[meager jackal]

that wont tell me anything as idk how to read it to decide, Lol

[hollow galleon]

sure, but thats like in 2 hours lol

[shrewd cave]

amazon will probably be the easiest to build

[drifting cedar]

I've never regretted rolling witch hunter early in the league. explosions are real

high floor low ceiling sort of ascendancy

[shrewd cave]

mid sort of ascendancy 😭 jk

[toxic fox]

Sounds like safest option is you just go merc and pick an ascendency, you can respec into the other one if you dont like it

[hoary bolt]

TACTICIAN

GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT

[soft lake]

The best thing to do is just to pick a skill type you like the look of, and then get suggestions based on that.

I'll say that Witchhunter/Tactician are probably more versatile in what they can do, and they can also respec into each other. Whereas Amazon is likely more limited to spears. But if you love the look of spears, Amazon is probably your best bet

[frigid hill]

i love channeling plasma blast and getting 50 heat before doing damage

:^)

[hoary bolt]

ayy shut it

[meager jackal]

Yeah im going with xbow then

[frigid hill]

jk jk it has potential

[next moat]

So the new deflect numbers didn't dissuade you eh?

[hoary bolt]

glancing blows should boost it solidly

for a minute I was going to swing wildly over to warbringer shield skills

but I just couldnt get the new attack % numbers to actually deal damage in pob

incendiary was just so much better

[soft lake]

Well Tactician or Witchhunter is probably your safest bet then. Palsteron is a streamer/YouTuber you can check out and follow along with, he's going to be doing crossbows and is a good build maker

[meager jackal]

oh thank you, I will look him up!

[hoary bolt]

also its 30 heat and there's no startup delay for Rapid Shot anymore, and heat builds up once per shot

instead of being weirdly time gated

[frigid hill]

yeah im gonna give it a try

[rugged sand]

where patch?

[frigid hill]

prob going frag for quite some time tho

[hoary bolt]

frag will be better until frostfire

t3 supports are what level 52?

[carmine sandal]

how's warrior looking as a starter?

[frigid hill]

🤷

[hoary bolt]

53 it seems

theres a possibility that incendiary shot is still better for campaign bossing right out the gate though

[summer pasture]

Fine

[timid aurora]

WB totem will probably be powerful

[soft lake]

No problem! I don't think he's decided which he likes the look of more between Witchhunter and Tactician yet (he's waiting to see the tree), but both of them are the same base class anyway (mercenary) so you can start levelling and decide which is best (or copy him) when you get your first ascendancy points

[meager jackal]

yep thats my plan

[carmine sandal]

that'd be nice, I did enjoy totem builds in poe1

[summer pasture]

Rolling slam and bone shatter to start then leap slam bone shatter until you swap to whatever build you plan to play

[timid aurora]

Altho if every build still needs giants blood I'm checking out of warr

[carmine sandal]

yeah

[timid aurora]

Ballista and mortar builds probably won't

[carmine sandal]

I'm looking at either huntress or warrior atm

[timid aurora]

But melee maybe

[summer pasture]

I feel like we're getting life on the tree or 1h will get some love

[timid aurora]

What actual melee build is looking to possibly be good on Warr?

[summer pasture]

I'm going thorns

[timid aurora]

I hope the new fire stuff is strong

[summer pasture]

But totems or forge Hammer looks good

[visual warren]

still thinking that LA deadeye will be the op build?

[summer pasture]

Supercharged slam got buffed so it my be good

[timid aurora]

I hope forge hammer good

FH Smith

[summer pasture]

Forge Hammer with temper weapon

[timid aurora]

Do many choices

Smith seems gigs nerfed tho

Too bad

[wind river]

Demon form good now?

[bold oxide]

it got buffs yeah. more damage and you can keep your weapon on

[vague sluice]

any ideas for fast builds?

[native surge]

Deadeye

[hybrid onyx]

any build recommendations for someone who is terrible at this game? I always get to act 2 and then get stomped by the hyena guy

[native surge]

Deadeye

[slate badge]

What do you guys think about Electric Arc ? :
Deadeye
Blood mage
Stormweaver

[rigid edge]

Deadeye kinda needs some movement shenanigans to work well though. Maybe a melee slam build?

[fair raft]

everybody just go deadeye

[native surge]

Use lightning rod and lightning arrow

Gg

[timid aurora]

Nah I'm going Smit.

Smith

[hybrid onyx]

what does that mean? is there like a specific build or like - i was hoping for like a guide or something idk

im crap at building my own tree

[timid aurora]

Need to buy fire hammer poe xmog set

And blast fire shit with me melee

[native surge]

Yeah I’d just look up lightning arrow dead eye build later

Hard to get a proper tree rn

But half of the streamers are playing deadeye

[hybrid onyx]

oh they didnt release tree data?

[native surge]

Not yet 🙁

[hybrid onyx]

dont they usually release that ahead of time?

[native surge]

Yeah lol

[hybrid onyx]

thats sus af

[rigid edge]

There's not enough information about the update for there to be buildguides. If you can dodge projectiles just go deadeye

[hybrid onyx]

what if i cant?

[native surge]

Then go witch minions

[hybrid onyx]

what if im truly that terrible at video games?

[native surge]

And hold up your shield

[rigid edge]

Either learn or go big slam boy or minions

[mighty anvil]

I'm League start with incinerate Pathfinder and transition over to explosive concoction

[native surge]

Infernalist for damage lich for defense

Use sniper skeletons and their gas arrow ability

Until someone makes a proper build guide

[near jewel]

wthy?

planning my build xd

[hybrid onyx]

is deadeye bow or crossbow?

[native surge]

Can be both but mainly bow

Crossbow in weapon swap

[mighty anvil]

Int and herald stacking Pathfinder explosive concoction

[hybrid onyx]

ah - ive only really played melee builds, so that could be exciting. How are casters looking. I know they made last minute changes that added cooldowns that people seem to be upset about, but i havent played a caster either

[native surge]

Caster levelling is hard in 2 tbh

Might be better with less delay now

Hard to know how good casting is without full info

[hybrid onyx]

same for amazon with the new evasion stuff b/c its unclear if it affects crit right?

[native surge]

Yeah exactly

[timid aurora]

Best warrior leveling build now?

[bright agate]

bec servers starts at 22

[rugged sand]

HOOOO baby lets get that 34 gigs

[rose arrow]

Are we not getting the tree?

[bright agate]

nope

[rose arrow]

Yeah, I didn't ask what you were happy about.

[bright agate]

we need to wait for it untile 22

[wooden iris]

third parties should have the missing index file by now - hopefully they can get it done before launch 🙂

[native surge]

1 hr 43mins

[north talon]

I mean getting the tree 1 hour before launch doesn't really change much :P

[hybrid onyx]

is there a potentially viable crossbow set-up for 0.3? i kinda want to try crossbow

[coarse tide]

What? You can check all new nodes in 10 minutes and decide your build off that

[proven rapids]

It can change everything

[north talon]

And you can just do that 10 minutes into the patch. /shrug

[coarse tide]

I guess, sure, it would be better to get it now though, when there is nothing else to do anyways

[stuck grotto]

Have they specified if slams or aftershocks trigger the Forge Hammer spirals

[native surge]

Yeah I’m not picking a class until I see the nodes

Traveling is too painful in 2

[stuck grotto]

I'm planning on making something that throws the hammer and uses totems to keep the spiral going

[native surge]

Bcz there’s no middle of the tree

Unlike 1

[stuck grotto]

Lowkey just praying they add some life nodes 💔

[native surge]

They’re gonna for sure

[stuck grotto]

No way they buffed Deadeye and everything but nerf Warrior even more by giving Giant's Blood another downside

There has to be some life clusters

[hallow solar]

going to try poe2 during free weekend, do you recomend any build? or where i can find guide?

[wooden iris]

and even if there isn't

https://tenor.com/view/best-in-life-gif-26485838

[stuck grotto]

Well they did buff armour a shitload

Maybe that's something that might actually be viable investing into

[coarse tide]

Slams retrigger it, you can check description on poe2db.tw

[heavy flax]

i really wanna try the new ice spell but played too many caster, i really like the crossbow on controller so prob gonna go deadeye for that

then try out hollow palm crossbow/ballista on witch hunter

too many damn choices lmao

[stuck grotto]

Monk lowkey looks pretty fun now but I think the Kung Fu shit might be a bit too expensive early on

[north talon]

Technically that is nerfing maces not warrior :P

[heavy flax]

nah will be cheap dont need a staff

[stuck grotto]

So I'll stick to Warrior for now

[coarse tide]

Yeah, I have Chrono/Stormweaver and Huntress planned, but also Tactician, Titan and Infernalist look good

[stuck grotto]

Well. Sure but then Evasion and ES hybrids become a hundred times more expensive

[heavy flax]

think first time in a while it feels like a good lot of choices

[stuck grotto]

The Int side looks pretty fun too but I'm not too into the spell side of this game

[coarse tide]

If you ignore "Deadeye crowd" then a lot of options seem very fun and strong

[stuck grotto]

Only side that seems a bit lacking to me is like. Huntress

[coarse tide]

Ice-tipped Arrows being usable with spears makes me want to go cold huntress

[heavy flax]

i was thinking of mixing the cold tips with the hollow palm ice strike

would be cool

[stuck grotto]

Sigh .... So much for Acolyte ....

[bitter ore]

is there anything in the game to reduce hte freezing salvo recharge time? quality doesn't do anything now

[stuck grotto]

Acolyte got diabolical changes yet we don't have a solid way of scaling Chaos dmg as far as I'm aware

[velvet trout]

Decided on Bow Freeze/Bleed/Snipe Tactician. The new +40% immobilize build ascendency node looks great. Instead of going the Resonance/power charge route taking the slower but stronger attack nodes in mercenary area with bleed chance/magnitude.

[heavy flax]

acolyte with the breach skill for xtra chaos should be strong

[stuck grotto]

Still don't have a great way of scaling that tho outside of Breach

Maybe if you take the chaos spiral with Spaghettification but that's about it

Then again . There's probably clusters for that

[woven otter]

It’s extra damage, you scale it by getting regular damage

[inland plinth]

Huntress is still good but people don’t want to play her because she dominated last league and people are burnt out

Which is fair and valid

[velvet trout]

A shame they removed using the same skill gem twice. I really wanted two Snipe buttons. One with chaining and one for bosses.

[inland plinth]

My friend is doing bleed bow on tactician he’s just gunna spiral for clear snipe for bosses

[keen dagger]

Do we have new tree yet?

[inland plinth]

Yeah when you launch the game in an hour and a half and open the tree

[woven otter]

Im more hyped for new uniques tbh

[velvet trout]

Yeah spiral is still probably just fine with combat frenzy even without Resonance.

[woven otter]

Hopefully some cool ones

[velvet trout]

Though the perfectly timed endurance charge w/Resonance is sexy for bosses for barrage

[woven otter]

NEW TREE OUT NOW

POE NINJA

[surreal rock]

Will the unarm passive nodes work with hollow palm??? Like will they buff ice strike with hollow palm?

[azure wyvern]

ballista build?

[drifting cedar]

omg the ads on poe ninja are insane

[velvet trout]

Better than the ads on fextra. Ugh.

[static plinth]

If you have Take no additional damage from critical hits, this means if you somehow make it so you're always crit you just take 15% less damage right?

[tawny trellis]

guys what is the best website to get a good build for the necro step by step, maxroll, mobalitics or poeninja?

[drifting cedar]

poe ninja has a bunch of empty nodes

[tawny trellis]

i want a build step by step that it's easy to follow

[azure wyvern]

what do you think this gonna be?

[drifting cedar]

+1 attack totem limit

[tawny trellis]

ahh so in between maxroll and mobalitics which is the best?

[tidal birch]

Anybody has a leaguestarter (that does not suck in maps) for demonform?

[static plinth]

Ah, so they moved it

[drifting cedar]

im having some doubts about this tree on poe ninja

[patent shell]

so barbarian got no buff this patch and no rework to speed anmation correct ?

same boring shit like before ?

[static plinth]

i mean thats just wrong go read the patchnotes

[drifting cedar]

ah man he called warrior barbarian, its just a troll

[static plinth]

Yeah but it costs me nothing to give him a sentence

Ill give them the benefit of doubt first

[tidal birch]

Minion or demonform leaguestart, what would you guys choose?

[static plinth]

Minion probably

Demon Form needs life regen jewels

[tidal birch]

I tryed googling for Demon FOrm but there are just (nearly) zero guides on it

Minion has at least a bit

[static plinth]

We dont even have a full passive tree for this patch revealed yet lol

Gotta wait for install

And then either look yourself or give the people behind poe2db and stuff a few hours to upload everything

[tidal birch]

in a few hours is already league start and Im no build maker (i dont like it at all), i just play. Having no league starting guide spells doom for my enjoyment

[native surge]

warrior got 1 3% life node

is this tree right lmao

[static plinth]

stonks

[drifting cedar]

i think the travel node count between starters is the same on this tree vs the old pob

so, idk about this

also lots of empty notables

[patent shell]

i I’ve already read the patch notes and giant blood is massive nerf + no slam attackspeed buffs only sunder got slightly more speed , + infernal cry big nerf

[static plinth]

Yeah cant do much with it anyway cuz of the notables

[native surge]

seems a bit sus

[pine salmon]

anyone has a good starter for later bossing or with high dmg potential ?

[drifting cedar]

usually good starter and late bosser are not the same build

[patent shell]

but where can ise the 12 new gems tho ?

couldnt find in patch

[pine salmon]

ye that is true but some have potential scaled spark will do good damage later on and is start viable or not ?

[native surge]

oh wait no its 2 3% nodes

behind 2 travel nddes each

🙂

[inland plinth]

1511 in q

Send it

[modest ingot]

how many merchant tabs do you guys think you'll need?

[twin sierra]

how is this even real

genuininely the worst node in the game

[meager zodiac]

w node i can take time to look at the architecture in the game

[pale niche]

AHAHAHAH They removed the Max Res cluster and now it's just Armor applies to specific element

[light fractal]

tree link?

[static plinth]

Its 3% reduced move speed in .2

I fucking doubt they did that and that its a ninja error

[twin sierra]

maybe it seems absurd

[umbral pier]

Hey all, planning on trying a crossbow Amazon(probably shotgun something), or a blood mage Arc, do any of those sound good?

[light fractal]

maybe to balance boot darkness enthroned?

[pale niche]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/vd3uPTVfzWxzdvZMUizow9eC46EbUwZDCtGSW4WdG5cbBxqw422h4gyhgqFKL4w2jt4a374fRR3mGpjWKhjKGkMsRyAavjq2gjPyuSzuZeHCAUGvDuQCC4Jpo?search=archo let's see if i get nuked

[light fractal]

insane way to balance though

[pale niche]

It's not at 100% tho

Archon is eating extremely well

[static plinth]

Thats so specific

[opaque sparrow]

Is there a way to see node power report for minions?

[static plinth]

Not everyones gonna run that

[vocal lantern]

I am stuck between ranger or sorcereress. I want to play a range character this league. What are stuff looking like with the passive tree changes

[static plinth]

I mean its good but the overlap between people who take Spaghettification and those using speed DE is gonna be pretty low even if DE is great

[patent shell]

so what melee skill is worth now ? rollimg slamm got nerfed unless u go 100% inc attackspeed then its 6% buff XD spearfield now does 210% instead of 80% which sounds intresting

[meager zodiac]

zero clue which class this time

ill just send it at random when im in

[simple dome]

do we have a new skill tree yet or no?

[solemn marlin]

yes

[river berry]

wtf they done with these passives, its like half of them are super nerf

[round escarp]

we wont really know until we login

trigger builds are looking kinda cracked

with all these trigger nodes

also they added a bunch of infusion supprot everywhere

[scarlet sandal]

Everyone go deadeye so they can nuke that first🤣

[azure wyvern]

where?

[solemn marlin]

https://poe.ninja/poe2/passive-skill-tree/

[azure wyvern]

not the poe ninja...

[river berry]

its only one updated yet so you cant be picky

[glacial vessel]

Did they change anything about deadeye? with new tree release? did they nerf crit??

[limpid laurel]

anyone who plays gemlin flicker ? if so, what is a good league start ?

[wooden iris]

excuse me what

[mortal glen]

they removed the refresh ignites on crit node 🙁

[patent shell]

this sounds intresting

unarmed build

[ancient lodge]

Where are you seeing this?

[potent siren]

trying to figure out new totem tactican build is gonna be spicy

[thorny path]

scroll up

[ancient lodge]

Just saw the link

[ancient lodge]

Wtf

Having second doubts about Blackflame

It seems really hard to scale converted fire->chaos spell damage

Chaos nodes give stuff like skill duration and gem level, that doesnt really mesh with fire spells

And fire nodes give nothing to chao damage

[round escarp]

also flame archon may be amazing

[ancient lodge]

Flame archon?

Oh I see it on the passive tree

[thorny path]

https://poe2db.tw/us/Flame_Archon#FlameArchonRef

[ripe finch]

Hello, any Flicker Strike player here ?

[round escarp]

real question is can you have more than 1 archon buff at once

[thorny path]

kinda nutty but is a malus for blackflame

[ancient lodge]

Yeah Blackflame seems DoA 😬

T-30 min and now I dont know what to play 🥲

Lets go

[celest oxide]

Been telling myself it’s Merc all day aaaaaaaaaand last second I’m choosing Blood Mage lol

[ancient lodge]

Thinking cap on

[final tangle]

personally im split between bleed merc, blood mage something, hollow palm monk, deadeye bow

[round escarp]

the fact that blackflame looks kinda doa means less ppl will be running fire stuff

[static plinth]

Poe.ninja

[azure wyvern]

is this better Avatar of Fire?

[thorny path]

flame archon only works on spells

Not better just different

[azure wyvern]

I mean, Avatar of fire is next warrior

so it is like warrior is again getting worse version

it could be similar to Flame Archon

but for melee attacks

[silver gust]

Quick question, does attack damage nodes work with grenades as they are attack? For expample increased attack area damage¿

[hidden siren]

new called shots deadeye ascendancy meta gem

[distant glade]

what other ascendancy nodes are worth taking on ritualist besides the jewelry stuff?

is the regen good?

[thorny path]

Any skill that has the attack tag is scaled by attack modifiers

[hidden siren]

phys or the charm one

the ritual one now maybe

since it only takes 1 node

[minor wadi]

The chance to apply ignite depends on the total magnitude of all Flammability debuffs on the target, which itself is dependent on the amount of pre-mitigation fire damage dealt relative to the monster's ailment threshold.

[distant glade]

which one is phys

the blood boil?

[abstract grove]

is the tree out?

[minor wadi]

is it not possible to ignite with blackflame covenant?

since you don't do fire damage

[vast acorn]

how is Blood Mage looking?

[abstract grove]

its ignite that does and scales off chaos

[bold oxide]

great

[hidden siren]

nah just the one leading up to it

[minor wadi]

oh

chaos damage from fire spells contributes to flammability

missed that

[mellow shale]

The node says that fire spells it converts to chaos will ignite and the chaos will contribute to flammability build up (ex ignite chance) and magnitude

[spiral hedge]

Played blood mage at launch and actually loved it. What's changed since that will make me love it more?

[torn ridge]

any warrior dedicated Discord?

[bold oxide]

the tree is so much better. life remnants works on all hits and is a free node

[spiral hedge]

Oh my

[bold oxide]

it was already strong in 0.2 now its even stronger

slight nerf in overflow, now caps at 1.5x instead of 2

but life remnants still very strong

[mellow shale]

i've never played blood mage, does the spell leech node feel necessary?

[scarlet sandal]

For blackflame... build chaos nodes+withering+ignite chance and magnitude.. boom. Any other conversions do not work neither do fire nodes or damage due to it being chaos damage now..

[pastel knoll]

whats a good class to level for zdps mf cull? witch? chrono? might go that route.

[bold oxide]

no

[mellow shale]

thanks

[vagrant sky]

Just wanted to ask people, I was planning on just going Lich chaos/damage again as a starter since I didn't see any notable nerfs and it seems like a good way to fund my other builds, any reason to not do so?

[snow finch]

ritualist is cool

[wooden iris]

titan bros - how we feeling?

i don't see that many life / recovery nodes - maybe im blind?

[pastel knoll]

is there a way to hide ally minions?

[spiral hedge]

I was going to try huntress this time around - but saw that Amazon got nerfed or something ? Are they going to be alright?

[surreal saddle]

anyone have any build suggestions for me this patch 🙏 First patch I played spark sorc and demon form, second I did lightning spear with amazon... now idrk what to play lol. Looking for something strong and I dont rly know much abt the game

[vagrant sky]

I def saw huntress nerfs but it might still be good, it was way overtuned before

[surreal saddle]

crit blood mage looks intriguing if its any good

[surreal saddle]

mmmm

[bright agate]

you need to be ready for expensive gear

[inland plinth]

warbringer is going to be the class to play. there was a recover 2% of life on warcry node

[bright agate]

bec beside deadeye everyone wants to play her

[inland plinth]

assuming the tree is accurate

[surreal saddle]

dam cooked

[scarlet sandal]

Bm and deadeye will be the most expensive

[surreal saddle]

so warbringer could be an option? anytin else

[inland plinth]

tactician is what im doing. Crossbow good

[surreal saddle]

i knew not to choose deadeye cus of popularity lol, I been seeing so much abt that

crazy

[neat parcel]

what to play?

[bright agate]

lich infernalist merc both gemlink and other one

[pale niche]

Love it

[bright agate]

i hate her

[pale niche]

Mortar Turret is dead on arrival 😂

[bright agate]

f

[rough stirrup]

y

[pale niche]

50% attack speed, 50% damage 😂

And i'm 90% sure they share a CD on the grenades too

since in the half a second that they show in the reveal the mortar skill has 3 charges

[inland plinth]

I mean just summon a new cannon at that point

assuming it doesnt still have to wait out the cooldown

[vagrant basin]

where is the new tree?

[silver gust]

So without investing on attack speed mortar wont be good? I was planning on using a warbtinger mortar

[meager zodiac]

in the game

[stuck grotto]

We'll get it when league launches I guess

Seeing as no one can get ingame Rn

[vagrant basin]

¬¬

[inland plinth]

poe ninja has the new tree supposedly

[stuck grotto]

I am just praying For The Love Of God that life nodes were added

[surreal saddle]

Mmm I did lich when I mage it into demon form… merc isnt expensive?

[stuck grotto]

Especially after the shit they pulled with Giant's Blood

[inland plinth]

there is 1 3% life node

[stuck grotto]

So many Deadeye buffs and another bomb on life..............

[inland plinth]

assuming poeninja has the real tree

[pale niche]

No the problem is that i think the number of grenades is shared by all of your totems

[bright agate]

depends on build

[pale niche]

In the half second they show it on the reveal the second he equips it on the bar it appears with a "3" like the number of charges the nade has

[inland plinth]

if merc build uses bows it will be expensive

[ripe finch]

I guess its kind of useless to follow a guide since they changed everything no ?

[bright agate]

you can go almost everything with gemlink but other one i have no idea

[bright agate]

mhm

[surreal saddle]

wait wha

[inland plinth]

if the grenades are shared per totem then the skill is essentially unusable

if that turns out to be the case they would probably change it

[ancient lodge]

Pray for me, for I am all in on Blackflame Chonk

Reroll on day 2 lets go

[inland plinth]

at least you dont have to repeat the campaign 4 times with a reroll

[pale niche]

I'm pretty sure it's gonna be that 😂

[inland plinth]

only once

[pale niche]

They killed max totems too

[bright agate]

i wander how expensive this build going to be

[pale niche]

Now they're "ballista" not generic totems

[ripe finch]

"mhm" ? I mean the skill tree changed a lot, the skill gems system changed a liitle bit too. So i feel like a lot of stuff need to be figured out no ?

[native surge]

Poe ninja tree isn’t updated

That life node is old

[bright agate]

mhm= yea