2┃build-planning

[shrewd cave]

Yeah it's decent, it lowers one shot potential cause you roll your evasion and then roll chance to deflect

So only if you lose 2x 80%s will you take full damage

[dire cave]

with darkness enthroned you can bump the damage taken from deflect down to 54%

instead of 60%

[shrewd cave]

Anyway I'm playing deadeye so I won't get hit anyway

[dire cave]

theres probs more ways to decrease that even further

[dull pecan]

And I mean honestly for the defensives we have, it’s still better than armour imo

I’m torn between deadeye and invoker

[dire cave]

I vote invoker 😛

[shrewd cave]

Anybody interested in the totems explode lineage gem?

[dull pecan]

Played deadeye 2 leagues in a row and kinda want to change it up

[shrewd cave]

It seemed like a cool idea but idk if we have the tools for it

[dull pecan]

I haven’t looked at totems really but I see people trying to cook something

[dire cave]

meditate got a solid buff this patch

[dull pecan]

I’m leaning invoker but melee scares me with the on death shit in this game lmao

[dire cave]

like yes overflow got reduced by 50% but meditate recharges energy shield about 4 times the recharge speed

[dull pecan]

I know I could play ranged too I suppose

[shrewd cave]

Monk is usually fast enough to dodge those I guess

I've played warrior, monk and pathfinder

[dire cave]

and with the hollow palm addition I get to play a D&D monk :))

[shrewd cave]

Think my pathfinder corpsewade got the furthest from all of those but it was not easy to build lol

[proven spindle]

What happened with snap?

[dull pecan]

Yeah I wanna slap some monsters

[flat star]

Hollow palm sounds cool but how could it possibly be balanced, either it ends up useless in lategame or it's the only way to play

[dire cave]

it got a 4s cooldown

[proven spindle]

That seems kinda dogshit

[dire cave]

just because you havent seen it balanced doesnt mean it cant

[dull pecan]

Also deadeye is so damn expensive to play late game because bows and quivers are so important

[shrewd cave]

They did mention that it's something that they were working on slowly for a long time

So maybe it's balanced

[rich lagoon]

Monsters will now evade warrior aoe with the new change xdd

[flat star]

I mean it's some flat free damage, either it compares to non-free damage or it doesn't... I didn't notice any real side benefits that would make it worthwhile if the DPS doesn't keep up

[proven spindle]

Wait what

[dire cave]

you get double the accuracy per level now tho

[shrewd cave]

Vibes damage

Kills all the bosses

[dire cave]

and double accuracy per dex point aswell if I aint wrong

[flat star]

At the least tho, it will almost definitely be great for leveling and getting to the point where you can get a good staff, which might be the idea

sort of lower the barrier of entry

[rich lagoon]

Yeah you have less chance to miss now on warrior but if you miss, u can miss ur aoe slam, and such skills meanwhile before this patch aoe wasn't evadeable

[shrewd cave]

Since it doesn't give flat damage based on Dex like Poe 1 it might actually not be great for levelling

[last bolt]

Has anyone theory crafted a fire melee witch hunter with the dual passive trees and oil grenade totems. Like melee + fire focus, maybe fissues+slams? on one tree and oil + gas totems on another tree or something like that?

[shrewd cave]

You'll need high evasion and es to make it shine, with lots of fast crits

[dire cave]

its flat dmg based on level which leaves a lot of shennanigans to be pulled

[dire cave]

not realy

[shrewd cave]

Yeah p much, we don't have the numbers

[rich lagoon]

Cuz ggg is still nerfing the numbers

[flat star]

oh aight, I didn't read it that closely but I see now that it does have some caveats and side effects, could be interesting

[rich lagoon]

It will apply 1 stack of crit weakness next patch note today

[dire cave]

its 1% more atk speed per 25 ev and 0.1% flat crit per 10 es. at a base of 2500 ev thats 100% more attack speed

which is ridiculous

[rich lagoon]

You can get max 7k evasion on gear, but on pretty low budget i would say you can get 4-5k

[shrewd cave]

If you're constantly applying marks it should still be balanced

[dire cave]

so even more stupid

[shrewd cave]

When you say it like that it actually sounds bonkers lol

[flat star]

I would think the flat crit chance is maybe more important than the AS, or at the least, you probably wouldn't run it without hybrid gear

[dire cave]

even if the flat phys is non-existent there are a lot of ways to add flat dmg

[shrewd cave]

Hehe, I'll farm thunderfist with my deadeye and go live out my fantasies

[flat star]

but IDK, those numbers are enough that maybe even pure-evasion would get use from it

[rich lagoon]

Well, flat crit will come from pure es helmet (es helmet gives us more evasion from passive), and other gear pieces pure eva

[dire cave]

HoWa

if you rly want flat dmg howa is probs best

but its boring

[shrewd cave]

But then how will you equip thunderfist cmon man

[dire cave]

exactly

idek what crackling palm does

but I like the sound of it

[rich lagoon]

Howa with 200 int > thunderfist

[dire cave]

howa doesnt have crackling palm tho

[rich lagoon]

Ggg probably nerfing hollow palm flat phys dmg rn to be complete useless (max 5-10phys i think)

[dire cave]

nah wont be that bad

[flat star]

will be interesting to see how the balance ends up because it needs a lot just to compete with missing +5 to skill levels from a staff

[rich lagoon]

Its not a good idea to leak broken stuff here btw, ggg will just slam the nerfhammer xd

[dire cave]

can always run amulet

[rich lagoon]

Too much people here and on reddit leaked tech and now everything nerfed

[dull pecan]

Is there a cap on the attack speed and crit from hollow palm?

[dire cave]

yh

its capped by gear

[flat star]

well yeah you're gonna run amulet too, can't not stack all the skill levels you can get

[dire cave]

skill levels might not even be usefull if flat damage is shit

[rich lagoon]

No, lets just say hollow palm will be bad if flat phys is low

[flat star]

not for hollow palm, just for the extra damage, stacking more skill levels is always meta I thought

[dull pecan]

Okay I was thinking maybe the shear amount of attack speed might make up for a low flat damage on it but yeah

[rich lagoon]

You got 0 base phys dmg by default

[flat star]

I kinda wonder if the damage from hollow palm will scale linearly or not (with skill level)

[dire cave]

at the very least I think the flat damage will be equal to the highest quarterstaff base types in terms of flat damage

[flat star]

assumedly it will just for simplicity but skill levels usually scale somewhat exponentially at high levels, almost seems hollow palm should too because it's effectively replacing +5 skill levels from a staff

[rich lagoon]

Thats the problem, as it is now it is supposed to be linear scaling which is either result in broken or trash outcome (and we know what the nerfhammer enjoyers like)

[dire cave]

regardless I'll play hollow palm

[kindred tangle]

I’m sure they just make it scale its damage similar to spells or minions can’t be too hard

[flat star]

yeah, should be fun either way but I also doubt it can be balanced well

though really I'm more interested in chaos damage fire stuff... I'm probably running EDC lich, and a whole new chaos DOT is a gamechanger

[dire cave]

the new changes to AoC monk seem interesting

specially with volatility

[rich lagoon]

They just need add a "0-100% more damage while unarmed" scaling and reduce base phys accordingly

[dire cave]

thats nice and all but quarterstaff skills mostly have no base dmg

[rich lagoon]

You get your dmg from rings anyway

[shrewd cave]

But that's why you have crackling palm 🥺

[flat star]

tell that to frozen locus (not that it uses weapon damage anyway tho)

[shrewd cave]

We dream that GGG actually makes good items

[flat star]

hmm, I wonder if frozen locus will be changed slightly? Since it doesn't use weapon damage, it considers your damage to be base quarterstaff damage - so how does that work with hollow palm

assumedly you wouldn't get any benefits from it, since you're still technically doing qstaff damage

though I did notice some new stuff can break locus crystals which is kinda interesting. Curious just because my one monk build was all frozen locus, it was weird but enjoyable (and would benefit a lot from both more crit and more AS)

[dire cave]

Frozen Locus: Ice Crystal now deals 80% less damage in the first 0.5 seconds of its duration.

=_=

[shrewd cave]

Ded

[dire cave]

same goes for frost wall

[flat star]

rip. Also it now deals damage based on your weapon instead of flat

which was kinda the whole benefit to having it, stacking levels could be a total replacement for having a good weapon

[dire cave]

tru

[flat star]

sad, but not surprising, the reason I liked it was it was the only build I found that could just instant-nuke things without having to combo

so of course GGG can't allow that, if it was fun

Though I wonder, guess we'll see... the weapon damage scaling could be enough of a buff that it's worth waiting 0.5s to pop it

I'm also curious to see how this works out:

The Eldritch Empowerment Notable Passive Skill no longer provides Non-Channelling Spells cost an additional 3% of Maximum Energy Shield, Non-Channelling Spells deal 30% more Damage, or Spending Energy Shield does not interrupt Recharge. Instead, it now provides Spells deal 30% more Damage when Sacrificing Energy Shield, Sacrifice 5% of maximum Energy Shield when you Cast a Spell, and Sacrificing Energy Shield does not interrupt Recharge

Specifically because there's a unique that sacrifices ES when casting spells, and previously, even as a lich with that passive it would interrupt recharge. The rewording might mean that the item doesn't interrupt recharge when it sacrifices ES
(But at the least it should mean that you can still cast spells when out of ES, which is new, and especially significant with convalescence... which used to kind of suck because if you run out of ES you can't use it to stay alive)

[shrewd cave]

You know I just realised, if we're doing unarmed monk things, they should let weapon swap work for gloves too lol

You have one pair of gloves for clearing and another for single target

Like cold damage clear/lighting damage single target

[dull pecan]

That would be hilarious lmao

[soft wren]

basically the javazon of PoE2

deadeye bow/quiver prices

[proven spindle]

I think im going to switch over to deadeye

Sorceress just seems like Path of Cooldowns

It makes me not want to play it

[dire cave]

fireball?

[flat star]

unarmed can't include a shield, can it?

[dire cave]

nope

at least not in the way of hollow palm

[proven spindle]

Ive done fireball before

[dire cave]

not this patch you havent

[proven spindle]

Ig

Idk

[dire cave]

fireball base dmg has been nearly doubled

and with infusions the firebolt damage has been nearly tripled

[proven spindle]

It feels like thats kind of my only option though yk. I dont want to get forced into this box of what Jonathan wants me to play

[wispy ruin]

Currently on phone, so its a pain to check stuff but if im not mistaken, didnt they show firestorm doing like cold and lightning variant?

[dire cave]

fire infusions are relatively easy to aquire aswell

yes

[proven spindle]

Yeah that's what I was going to play

[dire cave]

requires infusion tho

[proven spindle]

But I was planning to use snap for it

[dire cave]

has 4s cooldown

😛

[proven spindle]

It doesn't even generate infusions anymore

[dire cave]

if you dont like cooldowns just play chronomancer

[proven spindle]

If I dont like cool downs I could just go play d2

I was really hopeful after the presentation but the actual fine details of the balance seems so out of touch

[dire cave]

I think you are seeing it far worse than how it will actualy feel

[proven spindle]

Maybe

[soft wren]

waiting for terror zones and running baal 50,000 times in a row yaaay fun

[proven spindle]

Fair

But its probably what I'll play if I dont like this patch

I want to like it i really do and maybe support gems will fix all of my problems

[rich lagoon]

Come play poe1 u can spam spells there with 500% cast speed xd

[proven spindle]

Maybe

[rich lagoon]

U get spell echo+ echo shrine and u get 1500% cast speed xd

In poe2 u have to wait 10 seconds to cast the next fireball or comet with 2 sec cast time kekw

[soft wren]

PoE1 slaps in both pace and breadth of content, although can be a little overwhelming at first

[proven spindle]

Im just kinda hoping Jonathan realizes his idea of fun is not the same as everyone elses

[soft wren]

Jonathan playing a souls game is PoE community's 9/11

[proven spindle]

I love dark souls

[soft wren]

me too, but basically where he got this idea of "slow and meaningful combat"

[proven spindle]

Dark souls is great, you can struggle or you can be busted as shit and its entirely up to player choice

[unreal sierra]

i think slow-paced gameplay isnt bad, and a lot of people find it fun as well

[soft wren]

playing nightreign rn slapping around everdark libra

[unreal sierra]

i prefer poe1, but i dont mind playing slower poe2 from time to time

[proven spindle]

It can be slow paced but it doesnt feel like im allowed to be creative

[unreal sierra]

ya with that second part i agree

i like making weird builds and i dont think this game allows me to at the moment

[proven spindle]

I play the build Jonathan wants me to or the skill they forgot to balance or I just can't fucking play at all

[rich lagoon]

Slow paced combat isnt the problem for poe2, but rather that the player has 0 defense AND 0 dps together, if you got 1 of them you will at least have fun

[proven spindle]

Does cold sorc even work anymore

Can you level a cold sorc

[unreal sierra]

if we had 0 everything then game would unplayable, somehow it is

so i call bullshit

[proven spindle]

Its called hyperbole

[dire cave]

tbf the game isnt even close to full release

so yes options are limited

[unreal sierra]

builds are weaker than poe1 but they're still clearing and tanking fine

[proven spindle]

Well they gotta fix it before it releases

[rich lagoon]

Go demon form comet cold dmg xd

[dire cave]

the pace they are going it'll be couple years till full release

[unreal sierra]

most likely at least 2 years

[dire cave]

and besides poe 1 has over a decade worth of content updates

[unreal sierra]

i cant see them getting there for xmas

[dire cave]

its hard to port every content over while overhauling a lot

[unreal sierra]

when we arent even half there

[proven spindle]

I don't even want new content

[woven depot]

full release is all acts btw

[proven spindle]

Fix what's in the game

[dire cave]

abyss isnt even new content

[woven depot]

they can definitely do that in less than 2 years lmao

[dire cave]

just overhauled content

[proven spindle]

I dont want a new class I dont want a new league I want to play the skill I want how I want

[dire cave]

then maybe poe 2 is not for you

no one is forcing you to play

[rich lagoon]

Jonathan will not allow u to have fun

[proven spindle]

???

At the rate this is going you'll have more endgame mechanics than viable builds

The core of the game is fine id just like to have fun playing it

[reef bone]

deadeye pure armor build

[dire cave]

sounds to me like you are inpatient

[rich lagoon]

Everyone will play bows like in 0.1 and spam lightning rods and say game is balanced

[proven spindle]

Not currently at any hospitals

[unreal sierra]

i think they're going so safe with their design restrictions that game gets solved in 2 days by poe veterans and rest of builds is barely playable in comparision

[soft wren]

they basically flat out said that they don't want the game to be a task of getting giga-powerful and one shotting everything

[reef bone]

I think spark is gonna come back.

[proven spindle]

Why the hell did they make an arpg then

[dire cave]

thats incorrect. there are poe veterans and there are min maxers

[proven spindle]

They should've just made a soulslike and called it a night

[dire cave]

min maxers will finish the game in 2 days

[woven depot]

This is turning into #2┃general

[rich lagoon]

We call it poo2

[soft wren]

can still have an ARPG in which there's some sort of strategy involved in the combat/encounters beyond "big number unga bunga"

[proven spindle]

Yea that's my fault lmao

[shrewd cave]

As the Devs like to mention "viable" to the core players means "can this kill Uber bosses" while to them viable might mean something more like "can this build complete campaign and quest bosses"

[unreal sierra]

idk how its incorrect, it happened every patch so far

[proven spindle]

In their defense theres been like 2

[onyx fractal]

Planning on doing Arc Spam sorc in new league. Anything I should look out for?

[proven spindle]

2.5 if you wanna count .1 mid season nerfs

[dire cave]

I consider myself a poe veteran since I played the game for 7 years now but I dont finish the game in 2 days

[unreal sierra]

yet i never said anything about finishing game

[proven spindle]

Jonathans nerf hammer in the next 12 hours

[unreal sierra]

but solving the meta

[proven spindle]

Just pray to God your build isn't fun and it might survive

[unreal sierra]

ive played both patches with offmeta build and it cleared fine but i was actively reminded that im not playing as intended

[dire cave]

funny I dont have that problem

[unreal sierra]

cuz i didnt build mace on warrior

or quarter/bow on monk

[dire cave]

meta to me just means money to be made

I dont play the meta sell the meta

😛

[soft wren]

this lol. if you can find a good off-meta build and sell bows n shit to fund your success, cha-ching

[proven spindle]

If*

[dire cave]

just create one

and wing it

[unreal sierra]

you can play meta and still sell stuff

[soft wren]

yeah bit of a gamble obvi, hitting walls n shit hindering your progress and market just doing it's thing in the meantime

[soft wren]

you can, but you're also paying a premium for your gear

[proven spindle]

Get the piss filter ai out of here

I can imagine Jonathan with a hammer just fine

Trust me I see him in my nightmares

[rich lagoon]

He read ur discord about wanting to play cold sorc xd

Next 10 hr it will be 90% reduced cold spell dps

[shrewd cave]

So what about the 100% slow temp chains tech

[unreal sierra]

i just want more off-meta stuff being doable, not actively punished by poe2 design decisions, but i guess im just bad at building according to poe veterans here

[shrewd cave]

Any spirit enjoyers in the chat?

[soft wren]

me n' you both

[dire cave]

isnt that why this chat exists?

[rich lagoon]

This chat exist so jonathan read and nerf every fun build

[proven spindle]

I just want to pick a skill that does damage and build around it

[dire cave]

isnt that every poe 2 thread?

[proven spindle]

I dont want to get to act 2 and realize that my build is actually completely nonfunctional

[soft wren]

johnathan is omnipresent

[rich lagoon]

Yeah poor players leaked 100% afk flicker strike tech and next day it got nerfed xd

[proven spindle]

Any damaging skill should be able to be built around

[dire cave]

obviously

god I cant imagine players having fun in poe 2 by going afk

[unreal sierra]

i was kinda hyped for flicker but that much of a clear was too much to dream in poe2

probably still do one with that more dmg multi

[rich lagoon]

Shhh dont talk about it xd

Jonathan read everything

[proven spindle]

I think eventually Jonathan will have to give in and make every skill fun eventually

It just might take a while

[soft wren]

flicker slapped in 0.1, what I played and got all T4s done. 0.2 tried to make an ice javazon build and struggled at the very end, yolo vaal'd everything n' quit

[dire cave]

game wasnt intended to be a 1 skill pony kinda game

[unreal sierra]

but skills dont do enough to justify switching actively

[proven spindle]

Well they shot the pony in the head

[unreal sierra]

if they want to combo stuff then combos need to actually do way more damage

[proven spindle]

And you need to be able to make new combos

[dire cave]

hence introduction of infusions

[pastel knoll]

snap cooldown tho

[dire cave]

and combo for monk does a lot of dmg

[unreal sierra]

ya they seem to try

[proven spindle]

Which railroad you onto the same combo

[unreal sierra]

only combo on monk seems to go around charges which are ways to generate without clunky unarmed skills

[proven spindle]

I dont mind combo gameplay but I feel like i can't make new combos

[dire cave]

why because half the classes and skills are missing with potentialy hundreds of supports?

[unreal sierra]

i dont see reason to except maybe shock/curses swap

in current state of game

sorc maybe in this patch has some reason to

like ele spells

but i doubt

[shrewd cave]

I wonder if the new snap works with all elements actually

[noble light]

So am I tweaking or is the changed turtle charm Warbringer node just Svalin but worse?

[proven spindle]

Ig we should stop complaining about it so they dont fix it and it continues to be an issue?

[shrewd cave]

Since it triggers on Frozen, shocked and ignited

[rich lagoon]

Is there a good simulacrum farmer build?

[shrewd cave]

Wouldn't triple element snap absolutely slap

[unreal sierra]

imho single button gameplay for white monsters is perfectly fine and they should stop trying to make game clunky

[noble light]

Lucky blocks rolls a failed block again right?

[unreal sierra]

i dont mind using multiple spells on singletarget

but every build that you need to switch on white stuff is alrdy dead to me

[dire cave]

I never said you should stop I am just saying there is no reason to complain at this moment since the game is still very much so in development

[proven spindle]

So do i continue complaining or do I stop

Im lost

[dire cave]

you can continue but try to not do it here since while we have been going very much so off topic this is still very much so a build planning chat

[proven spindle]

Fair

Jonathan planned my build already

[noble light]

Am I wrong on lucky blocks?

Is it the same as PoE 1?

[dire cave]

lucky just gets rolled twice

[soft wren]

our lord and saviour, ChatGPT, has spoken

[noble light]

Ok then what exactly is the point of the new turtle charm node in Warbringer if Svalin is just that but 15% damage taken from blocks instead of 30%

[dire cave]

brutes got better AI?

[noble light]

Isn’t 50% rolled twice 75%?

[dire cave]

warlord makes block cap at 75% instead of 50%

[noble light]

Yeah but isn’t 50% with lucky also 75%?

[dire cave]

not realy

more of a phantom stat

[noble light]

100 hits at 50% block chance

50 are blocks 50 go through

The 50 are rolled again with the 50%

25 are blocked

75 out of 100 hits are blocked

[frigid hill]

Are there other sources of +max block other than turtle charm?

[noble light]

Probably small amounts I would imagine

[frigid hill]

I can't recall

[dire cave]

think greatshields can roll max block

[noble light]

But no seriously I’m pretty sure by how probability works

Turtle charm is just a dead node now vs just taking Svalin no? Plus the extra armor it gives now.

Unless you like desperately need Phoenix’s life regen

[frigid hill]

Unless you need another shield for some reason, yea I'd agree

[noble light]

Yeah idk I don’t think GGG thought this through 💀

[dire cave]

all hits are rolled twice regardless of block or pass through lucky just means best value is used

[noble light]

It is mathematically the same chance of blocking a hit

[noble light]

They are?!

[dire cave]

yes

hence phantom 75%

when in reality it is not just feels that way

[noble light]

That’s bizarre

[frigid hill]

I mean there's other uniques that mirror ascendancy points

[dire cave]

which is why higher block chances are usualy better over the lucky stat

[noble light]

I wish ancestral totems wasn’t killed 😔

[dire cave]

granted if you can get both even better

[noble light]

“3 endurance charge cost” 💀

Yeah gg

Shockwave it is

[dire cave]

yeah but infinite number of totems

[noble light]

I don’t think so? Just that the skill has no entity limit

Totem limit is still a thing no?

[dire cave]

while not 100% pretty sure ancestral has no limit

think it was mentioned in the stream

other than charge gen limit of course

[noble light]

Yeah there is still “maximum number of summoned totems”

Answered call got +1 to that

Regardless my point is endurance charges are PAINFUL to get this game

[dire cave]

Ancestral Warrior Totem: Now have no Limit. Socketed Mace Skills now have 50% less Attack Speed. Now requires consuming 3 Endurance Charges to Raise.

[rich lagoon]

Just wait a week and people find a tech to generate endu

[noble light]

Like magma shield and that unique that gives you them on getting hit are the best sources?

And shields got nerfed stun wise

And getting hit is not a good idea 💀

[dire cave]

so yeah limitless warrior totems

[rich lagoon]

Warriors got buffed

Armor applies to ele dmg taken

[noble light]

Yeah if possible that will be the best build certainly

But again endurance charges aren’t really a thing

[rich lagoon]

U just generate endu charges and take increased duration for totems and u stack 10 of them

[noble light]

Yeah but WHERE are you generating them from

Magma shield?

[rich lagoon]

Not even jonathan knows

[dire cave]

armor break, magma shield, some uniques, stuns

[noble light]

When block stun got NERFED by what 30%?

Parry is 12% I know that

[dire cave]

Grit node would be usefull

[rich lagoon]

@noble light ping jonathan in this discord and ask him for more warrior nerfs xdd ("Jonathan_GGG")

[pale hatch]

Any recommended league starters for a casual player?

[dire cave]

if you enjoy minions go minions

[proven spindle]

Deadeye

[dire cave]

low investment

[proven spindle]

Cold, Lightning or Poison doesnt really matter

[rich lagoon]

Smith of kitava warrior

[pale hatch]

I'll try, haven't played ranger in poe2 yet.

[noble light]

Yeah idk man there is like NOTHING good for endurance generation besides PRAYING for Grit to proc

[pale hatch]

How tanky deadeye is?

[noble light]

Can totems armor break?

[rich lagoon]

Yeah (1 support gem)

[pale hatch]

Like would they just flop and die if evasion fails a couple times in a row

[noble light]

Could do that I guess?

[rich lagoon]

Yeah evasion is luck based, just go smith of kitava 90% all ele res, 90% phys reduction and armor applies to elemental dmg taken

[noble light]

Oh wait you could try shockwave AND ancestral warriors if warriors don’t count towards the TOTEM limit

Shockwave with like rage, blood, and armor break support

Don’t know how great that would be for bossing though

[pale hatch]

Isn't armor being reworked so it always applies to elemental? I heard something about it but not sure

[dire cave]

you would need something that consumes armor break tho

like sunder

[noble light]

Wait no no oof

It’s INCREASED armor break

Doesn’t add armor break

Yeah no idk

I’m NOT using magma barrier dude 💀

[rich lagoon]

Warbringer has armorbreak

[pale hatch]

Also, I'm not sure, but isn't it a bit expensive and kinda rough early? I heard it's a good build but not as good of a starter, but also not sure I heard right.

[noble light]

Yeah but you’d have to sack two points for it

[rich lagoon]

Not rly expensive, u can go full defense and totems

[pale hatch]

Totems die a lot

[noble light]

WHAT?!

Brother they are nigh immortal huh?

[dire cave]

totems only die a lot if you dont invest in them

[pale hatch]

I see

[noble light]

Yeah your totems could solo maven with enough duration

They have like maxed resists, a bajillion health, supports, etc

[pale hatch]

My biggest experience with totem was the Dark Effigy

[noble light]

There is the problem

I mean maybe it can be giga tanky too

But I’m talking Warbringer totems

[rich lagoon]

dark effigy is not melee totem, it might be not tonky

[dire cave]

effigy is sadly only good if you have multiple sources of chaos dot

[pale hatch]

I see, didn't know there's a big difference

[pale hatch]

I played EDC Chorno last league, was fun

[noble light]

Anyways Warbringer doesn’t seem IMMENSELY changed

I’m gonna go shockwave totems which I will remind you all ALSO will scale with your melee weapon

[dire cave]

totems now ONLY scale with melee weapons

they dont have their own flat dmg anymore

[noble light]

Yeah but should be overall a buff

[pale hatch]

Managed to build 103% recoup as energy shield XD

[dire cave]

Shockwave Totem, Ancestral Warrior Totem, Artillery Ballista and Siege Ballista now use your equipped weapon(s). They no longer have their own flat damage, base critical hit chance, or base attack time.

[noble light]

Still, consider the SHENANIGANS

[pale hatch]

Does it make ballista builds better or worse overall?

[dire cave]

I think better but cant be sure

[noble light]

Should be better? Because of how items can get NUTS

[dire cave]

never realy used em myself

[dire cave]

depends on craft RNG

[pale hatch]

But not as good for a starter I would imagine

[noble light]

Yeah but I mean isn’t that a LOT of builds?

Like most of them?

[frigid hill]

It was pretty easy to get a +6 skill weapon

[untold glen]

Two points to make your Herald skills break armour and trigger armour explosion which can trigger your herald skills?

Sounds like a great investment tbh 😂

[frigid hill]

Going to be harder getting an equivalent weapon now

[noble light]

Ehhhh Warbringer uses a good amount of uniques

It helps how good the unique shields are atm

[frigid hill]

Higher ceiling tho, i agree

[dire cave]

the new marohi erqi might be a solid chase unique for totems aswell as regular melee warriors

[noble light]

Ok then what do you give up? 75% block chance? 20% damage taken from totems?

[dire cave]

has close to 240 base str requirement and upwards of 700-800 max phys

[vestal sequoia]

Hey the new tree is out ?

[frigid hill]

Just use Svalinn

[noble light]

You could give up the block node and try Svalin

For a phantom 75%

[dire cave]

nope

[pale hatch]

So would you recommend starting with a Warbringer or Deadeye more?

[noble light]

Deadeye

Ranged

I love big tanky melee but let’s be real

[vestal sequoia]

Thanks

[noble light]

Its Path of Exile

They haven’t made ranged not the meta in like, EVER

[dire cave]

@vestal sequoia assume that pob wont update till actual patch if not 1h before

[untold glen]

In order? I’d go for armour break, then block chance. If I’m struggling defensively, I’d swap order. But armour break on everything works great with thorns, and scavenged plating so you’re getting the increased damage physical damage from broken armour, and your getting better armour from scavenged plating.

Long story short, armour break over totem damage any day.

I’d go jade armour after block chance I think.

[noble light]

Well I’m going FOR a totem build personally so that’s the lens I’m coming at it from

[dire cave]

does the warlord armor break into the negatives prevent armor break or will it still break but keep going?

[noble light]

Mainly using the armor break to maybe generate endurance charges for ancestral warrior totems

But again that feels like a LOT of investment to try to make it work

[noble light]

It breaks and that’s it

[untold glen]

That’s fair, I can’t remember what the new totem node does off the top of my head. It’s more than just damage right?

Have you considered tactician mercenary with totems?

[dire cave]

with the change to totems you need a good weapon to make it work now

[noble light]

Hence why I’m really not sure of it for endurance charge generation in boss fights

Because if there is only one enemy to armor break, wtf do you do?

[untold glen]

Fully broken armour gives an auto 20% more? Physical Damage boost, which can be enhanced through the skill tree

[noble light]

I think potential for mobbing but

You’d need a whole other gear/skill set up for bossing

Possible, but idk I feel like shockwave totem maxxing is just a better idea idk

Or easier at least

[untold glen]

I think there’s going to be a lot of good support gems and probably more items to help endurance charge generation.

[untold glen]

I think Banner Skills might be an underrated win this season.

Probably a good thing to mix in between summoning totems.

[noble light]

We can hope but it doesn’t look great

No new endurance generators so far besides perfect strike which

While doable, will still be a “pray for grit” simulator

[untold glen]

I swear I saw something else. But maybe the copium is setting in too deep 😂

[noble light]

Like I can spend all this effort trying to make ancestral warrior totems still good (while having a 50% ATTACK SPEED NERF) or I could just not torture myself

Fortifying Cry looks pretty juicy though

If you can get ONE endurance charge you can keep having a pretty good mobbing shield

[untold glen]

Yeah. So the Chinese servers show a gem called armour shatter which st tier2 has a 50% chance of getting an endurance charge on breaking armour and at t3 it’s 100% chance but I imagine will have a cooldown.

[noble light]

(Cooldown is pretty low anyways so eh)

[noble light]

That was from before just stronger now

But again what if a boss

How do you get 3 charges

[untold glen]

You can find the details on poe2db

[untold glen]

Using something to consume armour I guess? Two totem types. One to break armour and I’ve to consume for more damage?

[noble light]

Two totems just to FACILITATE using ancestral warrior totems

Oh yeah, now this is peak

💀

[untold glen]

Pretty sure there are things for “if you get one charge, you get two.” And then also things for “don’t use charge but gain benefits”

I think we need to get used to the idea that combos are going to be more and more important moving forward.

One way to look at it is while more complicated, we have more ways to get multiplicative damage boosts.

Like, I’m looking at a blood mage build using fire spells to proc bleed and poison.

Might have to change to a different elemental type but I should be able to get bleed getting stronger by investing in both fire and bleed and then weapon swap to bloodhunt (if not super super nerfed, should be able to use the big bleed damage to proc bleed and poison.

It’s worked well this season but I think 0.3 should absolutely go nuts.

[frigid hill]

It's incredible that GGG killed my snap build, revived it, and now killed it again. These patch notes are a roller coaster

[silent matrix]

how bad of an idea is hollow palm ritualist as a leaguestarter?

[woven depot]

dont think its a bad idea, hollow palm will probably be popular, and unarmed means no weapon costs but rings will be expensive. The only risk is scaling imo

[foggy cliff]

So am I insane for wanting to go skellie snipers endgame 😂😂

[soft wren]

pretty sure minions got a buff.. but yeah you're absolute batshit

[dark pulsar]

Pretty bad

But it might work out

[silent matrix]

hmm, just because of gearing I assume? though I'm no noob, gearing is not difficult for me.
but speaking of, how is tempest flurry these days?

I know it was nerfed in 0.2 and I can't seem to find any videos of it in 0.2

[dark pulsar]

I think that for hollow palm there will be better ascendancies, I for one am going deadeye so if it sucks I can do smth else

But I forgot that they added ascendancy respeccing

So it's not that bad anymore to choose a bad ascendancy

But Amazon was nerfed as well so idk

[raven siren]

wtb pob 🙁

[soft wren]

if it's not up before 4PM istfg i'm gonna... play path of exile

[near jewel]

its crazy, 50%+ of my friendz are playing liveear....that is deadeye.....do you think warbringer with shockwave or some balista is really a dead loss? I have played totems balistas etc befor and it was slow but steady and reliable

?

[silent matrix]

I would only do deadeye if the mark prolif node is good for charge generation to spam falling thunder. but that skill doesnt really care much about attack speed, so a lot of the power of hollow palm will be wasted

[raven heron]

does Each instance of Chaos damage give you A New Added instance f a chaos Dot?

EAch Skill use?

[gray lotus]

what class/build do you suggest me to try this season guys?

didnt play poe2 for months so im lack of infos of recent buffes/nerfes

[soft wren]

ask ChatGPT (i'm actually for real lmao had some decent suggestions lol)

[near jewel]

I am playing Warbringer shockwave totem 🙁

maybe into ancestral but htat depends on endu charges generation and sustain

[gray lotus]

the world might end but i'll never play warrior as a class, he is boring af

[near jewel]

yeap - boring 🙁 but as an old noob with skill issues it really offers room for manouver for me XD

[tender axle]

ah chatgpt

thats not a bad idea

[gray lotus]

u can call urself old noob with skill issues only if u play deadeye (like me for example)

[near jewel]

I hate palying META

used to be a meta slave

[dire cave]

each dot gave effigy more projectiles

[near jewel]

but in poe1 aquired a atse f or ssf

[static torrent]

I'd personally avoid recommending any LLM for build suggestions, especially as they have the tendency to mix up games and updates. I recall some suggested builds for 0.2 that featured skills from PoE1, Last Epoch and more.

[soft wren]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-9844027

at least in PoE1 there's multiple "metas" each league.. freakin 0.2 was all just lightning spear hurr durrr

[dark pulsar]

I just expect hollow palm to be a meme so I kinda plan on doing ballista grenades

[brittle anvil]

well there are lightning spears on multiple classes

[soft wren]

hold up. you're telling me other ascendancies exist outside of deadeye?

[dire cave]

yes

[soft wren]

baffled

[untold glen]

“The deadeye duelist is likely a powerful build able to stack armour and life. Mix that with the energy sword and you can get headshots for quicker access to find Zelda” 😂

[raven heron]

@dire cave ok tyvm. What do you think might be the nNext Best class to run Other thaan Chalupa for Increased Chaos Damn?

[static torrent]

Something like that, yes. I don't have the post on hand, but it was far from accurate in any sense.

[dire cave]

I dont quite understand the 2nd half of that sentence sorry

[untold glen]

What I’m hearing is GGG needs to add their own AI into poe2

[raven heron]

@dire cave whats the Strongest Chaos Enhancing Class?

[dire cave]

oof that kinda depends on what you are going for

[raven heron]

Chaos Damage Caster

[dire cave]

lich would be my first choice

[raven heron]

would the new kitchhunters 100 points make i viable?

now Acolyte of Chalupa?

[dire cave]

?

[raven heron]

not?

[leaden siren]

I'm torn between Demonform Infernalist and Monk, I'm leaning towards Monk but I'm not 100% sure.

Demonform is immensely cool, but it's the only Infernalist node that really speaks to me, and I already played a minion-based Infernalist in 0.1 with some elemental spells.

Monk has a lot of stuff worth trying, I'm thinking of going Invoker with cold/physical skills or maybe Trinity, and giving Hollow Palm Technique a chance, but I could really change during the campaign.

[dire cave]

the elemental ailments on chaos dmg is very nice but other than that you are not gaining much from chayula for chaos spells

[dire cave]

I'd go all in on invoker hollow palm

looks to be fun with the more atk speed

[raven heron]

and witchhunter? i was thinking with the addded passive points one might be able to take more choas tree stuff?

[dire cave]

what added passive points?

[brittle anvil]

it's weapon swap points not added points

[raven heron]

they now get 128 Total weapon set points

sorry...

[dire cave]

each class gets 123 skill points and 24 of those are weapon skill points

if you get the weapon skill points of witchhunter that would mean that 44 out of 123 are weapon skill points

[raven heron]

u slow

sorry

[dire cave]

the overall skill points you get at lvl 100 doesnt change

[raven heron]

thank yo for ur help with my fiorst question tho friend

[dire cave]

sorry for not having 400 apm

[raven heron]

how are you in this thread and Not know the new witchunter thing tho?

im being mean but....

[dire cave]

I didnt look into witchhunter in patch notes

wasnt interested

and the same still applies

instead of 24 weapon skill points you'd have 123

and also this thread doesnt force me to understand everything

[raven heron]

k cool. thank you for your time and consideration in this matter

[dire cave]

no worries we are all here to help each other somewat I think

if you cant tell I am tired 😛

[vivid sierra]

Is deadeye still a strong choice or has this final nerf drop kicked it's usefulness

[dire cave]

imo I think its a buff instead of nerf

[vivid sierra]

Really? How so?

[sly tinsel]

yow theoretically, which is the best ascendancy for hollow palm?

[dire cave]

invoker

[timber swift]

are we gonna get skill tree stuff before the launch at all or not this time?

[dire cave]

while yes the 100% chance for charges consumed to count as double hurts some builds the mark changes and crit weakness allows other builds to be more valid

[dire cave]

unlikely

[sly tinsel]

May I know why? I'm asking cuz everyone is just saying to just play deadeye on every build. And it feels like most streamers are saying that invoker is not good to get damage.

[vocal goblet]

is edc lich a solid choice?

[dire cave]

deadeye is imo boring and everyone probs runs it for free mark when near or crit weakness when consuming mark

[soft wren]

yeah people are gonna say play deadeye cause they're creatures of habit

[dire cave]

invoker has avatar, meditate and more spirit

[vivid sierra]

Huh, true... Suppose I should look into a deadeye build or something like it then, played witch and Amazon last 2 patches, time for something different!

[timber swift]

Play minions they got a huge buff.

[brittle anvil]

always meditate before battle

[uncut bay]

this is the hardest difficulty in the game, but my items are only level 55

[dire cave]

the overflow being cut down by 50% does hurt yes but the recharge from meditate has been increased four fold

[vagrant rivet]

Man, I have no clue what to play tonight :D:D:D

[sly tinsel]

I'm no passive tree god but, does going dead eye even going to have a good pathing for a hollow palm?

[timber swift]

Just make sure you have 4 things

[uncut bay]

if your weapon is level 80 you can even beat 5 things at once

[dire cave]

you do get hollow palm later than monk tho

but you'd probs have easier early game depending on how big the flat phys is

[timber swift]

Just leave the chaos orbs on the ground tho

[sly tinsel]

But also the power fantasy of playing monk unarmed

I can't just ignore that

[dire cave]

you leave pennies behind?

[uncut bay]

yes pro gamers don't waste time picking up garbage chaos orbs

[dire cave]

D&D monk 😄

[vagrant rivet]

I have not played a caster type before in PoE2. I plan on trying tonight for the first time. What would be a noob-friendly caster build and Ascendancy (I like the Frost and Lightning elements).

[sly tinsel]

Dude, not even unarmed, but just fist weapons and attacks in general. I love how Lost Ark showed how good and fancy their classes are that uses fist

Wish PoE2 changed the normal attack animation for Hollow Palm

[uncut bay]

lich is the safest choice, with the possibility to switch to bloodmage later
nobody knows the spells yet

[sly tinsel]

I feel like we need a dedicated monk ascendancy just for fist fighting hahaha

[uncut bay]

lost ark had the best skills ever, I remember one fisting class was shooting cool orbs from his hands

[dire cave]

honestly I think we will

[uncut bay]

elemental spells in lost ark were out of this world

[sly tinsel]

the one with the spirit bomb and kameha?

[uncut bay]

yes

[vagrant rivet]

Soulfist?

[sly tinsel]

yeah, LA has fckin epic skills

[uncut bay]

this is the one

[rich relic]

hi i have a question, someone maybe know some funny builds that are good for upcoming league?

[uncut bay]

you decide it for yourself, subjective

[vagrant rivet]

Lost Ark is awesome, too bad it's so hard p2w (or progress faster whatever)

[sly tinsel]

True that

[light fractal]

how clunky is living bomb? i'm thinking of infusion generation now that cold snap has a cd (unless coc bypasses this?)

[dire cave]

depends on amount of dmg required to get infusion

which we dont know yet

[light fractal]

good point, how does the bomb delay feel? i've never seen the skill before

[dire cave]

used to be pyrephite staff skill

no one realy used it

cheers guys I'm getting some shut eye before patch

[light fractal]

goodnight, only one sleep away, thanks for the info

[dire cave]

night?

its bloody 10:45 am here 😛

[modest anvil]

It got a nerf

Today

[sly tinsel]

Holy GGG gods, please make hollow palm good from early to end game, even if not for min maxers or ubers. Just make it worth while.

[vivid sierra]

Yeah, hence why I asked if that nerf has dethroned it from being one of the most powerful builds

[sly tinsel]

the projectile and auto mark alone makes it S tier

[modest anvil]

Still powerful no one is gonna know the impact until we get to play

[sly tinsel]

also, tailwind is still tailwind

[round osprey]

is there a list of spectre stats, i'm mostly interested in high health spectres for infernal legion 🙂

[brittle anvil]

there is, somewhere...

[sly tinsel]

Does Ghazzy not have it? haha

[brittle anvil]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oadXSCHczpyCgRxzTk3nRBeeOLlefZAzKM3ijwmWevY/htmlview?gid=0#gid=0

[tiny stirrup]

today deadeye changes good or bad?

[stark kestrel]

They rebalanced spectres so nobody knows if that list is still up to date.

[brittle anvil]

did they? I thought it's just overall rebalance

[stark kestrel]

Actually, I say that but now I'm not sure anymore. Still we don't know if they rebalanced so its only a rough idea and we'r getting tons new mobs as well from act 4 and preludes.

[sly tinsel]

Didn't they just buff damage overall then rebalance spirit reservation?

[bright agate]

Nerf so you can say bad

[frosty finch]

Nerf ? Thats only for warriors

[bright agate]

Yes that's why it's more like rebalance than nerf

[ebon plover]

im just gonna put seal and dmg on everyting

[broken fox]

Does the new notable "The Molten One's Gift" work with Sundered Armour as well?

[dreamy bridge]

don't know for sure. sundered armour seems like a separate debuff from broken

[wooden iris]

proud to say that as a warrior i can't read, and will therefore dual wield 2handers AGAIN

[broken fox]

Right. Does seem that way. Thanks for the info.

[gentle veldt]

anybody going with sundering elements build? Which asc?

[frosty finch]

Real

[fickle thistle]

Whats the most efficient pathing to get all the Jewel sockets on the tree? wanna try someth. Any starting point is fine

[jolly horizon]

So, I got bored and tried to identify the new clusters. This was not systematic, I might have missed a few, and middle/bottom left was less thorough since my builds dont go there. Some things that caught my eye:
-Many stun nodes on warrior side, at least new 1 totem, shield and warcry clusters. Several new unknown clusters with new set symbols.
-Merc gets new surronded cluster, notables, 1 new crossbow. Likely a new companion cluster and another notable for an existing one. Existing lightning ones got new notables.
-About 3 evasion deflect clusters bottom-right side. Middle right is remarkably unchanged beyond the 2 new keystones.
-Several new meta clusters and a few small ones top right (symbol for aura/meta/presence is the same). At least 1 small new cluster for chaos, curse and corpse.
-Middle top and left top are packed with new cluster symbols.
-Several new cluster sets with new symbols, likely related to infusions/ele. 3 big ignite clusters top/middle on the left side. Cold and lightning got a few more.
-At least 2 new meta/spirit/presence clusters top left. Several new big clusters likely minion related (3 big, 1 small). 1 New big recoup cluster.

[soft wren]

"all jewel sockets" and efficiency lol

[frosty finch]

Stun nodes are appreciated

[fickle thistle]

yea like the pathing

to not waste extra skill points

[soft wren]

mess around on PoB and find out

[stoic narwhal]

There is no Melding of the Flesh-like effect in PoE2 right? Max res is capped by your highest max res?

[frosty finch]

Less travel nodes on the new tree as well

[low niche]

Guys from 1 to 10 how stupid is my plan to play Ritualist Hollow Palm Ice Strike?
I think it might be decent option because of flat damage on rings which I would love to be able to use those new gloves and I dont want to be stuck with HOWA like everyone else probably will be to get flat damage. % Increases would come from skill tree and attack speed ofc from stacking Evasion which will be my main defensive and ofc ES for crit and "life"

[soft wren]

11

[frosty finch]

Amazon is probably better for the extra evasion

[potent basin]

On tactician, for 2 labs worth of points, turns all projectiles into pseudo freeze worth it ya think?
Can use spiral volley and have some pretty nice clear.
Frenzy charges generated from pinning (cooldown limited tho). Dunno what the other two ascendency picks go towards. Anything there?

[hoary bolt]

the less reservation for buffs is incredible

you essentially get 216 spirit instead of 100

[frosty finch]

Spiral voley tactician looks like it will have good clear

[near jewel]

does it affect my shockwave totem?

[frosty finch]

Yes

[potent basin]

Near perma CC mapping as the main defensive layer, figure deflect buffs help smooth out survivability too.
Could do something totems based too, idk

[jolly horizon]

Most efficient seems is outer ring. From a quick look all ascendancies take about the exact same number of passives (78)

[fickle thistle]

78 seems pretty good

[waxen geyser]

be wary of ghosts with that kind of build

[jolly horizon]

Sry, 83 passives, forgot one

[frosty finch]

Are you equipping tabula rasa with this ?

[jolly horizon]

I'd never touch this, this is a stat stacker/cluster stacker path, and we dont have cluster jewels yet

[frosty finch]

Wrong channel

[tough karma]

Isn't this build planning?

[frosty finch]

Yeah for poe2

[tough karma]

Aaah my bad!!! sorry

[fickle thistle]

i honestly just wanted to see what kinda stats one could get with just 12 jewels.
looks like maybe
~200% inc evasion
~200-400% inc damage
~40% inc attack speed
~200% inc crit hit

could all be possible with a setup like that. and could change to whatever u want since its all around the tree available for pretty much any class

wouldnt be league start viable tho. would need quite a few sockets and Good jewels to try

[low niche]

Hmm I have huge dilemma now. do i take nap during the day to play at launch destroying my sleep schedule or go to bed at my usual time which is exactly when leauge starts and start early in the morning

Maybe ill find your my rutialist idea is stupid by then XD

[potent basin]

Skip tactician, use Bushwhack, go amazon or deadeye?

[jolly horizon]

it's all about if you're able to sleep or not xD, there's always a strong chance of disconnects and other problems during the first few hours, if not more

[low niche]

Im afraid I wont be able to play and just waste my time XD

[potent basin]

Keep in mind it's free weekend too, we're not sure if the servers will survive

[low niche]

https://tenor.com/view/server-is-fine-burn-fire-spongebob-blow-gif-14178373

[magic pier]

It's not stupid because it will be one of the better ways to scale with hollow palm
Hollow palm won't have a very high ceiling though, GGG ain't making a passive that lets you forego quarterstaffs entirely.

[low niche]

Thats just a starter build so I do not have to kill all bosses with it 😄

And leveling might be naughty where is the hollow palm how far I have to travel thats the main question right now 😛

ask google and google shall answer you, its not that far

😄

[jolly horizon]

Hollow palm is 12 nodes away from monk start, but one probably should take other nodes before that #2┃build-planning message

[bright agate]

at least we can download the patch earlier

[frosty finch]

Imo no need to destroy your sleep schedule if you can play tomorrow

[lost stirrup]

Hi, what would be a good build to play in the new league I've played stormweaver, flicker strike monk, lightning spear, bleed blood mage, gemling statstacker and wanted some thing different that's fun and strong, what would you recomend?

[uncut bay]

you decide what's good for you

[median kraken]

Deadeye's getting the most hype it seems, but since we don't even have the full passive tree yet, let alone have actually played anything, I don't think we really know for sure what's going to be good

[mint sentinel]

is it not possible to procc both hoi and hot at the same time anymore?

[native surge]

If you want different and you don’t mind moving slowly minions are good

And getting big buffs

[low niche]

I cannot use Quarterstaff nodes to scale up Hollow palm if I understand correctly, yea?

[native surge]

Infernalist minions will be top tier endgame and great for acts

Early mapping is somewhat gear dependant but shouldn’t be too bad

[foggy cliff]

I'm torn between gemling legionnaire and witch hunter, can we respec ascendancies now? I remember on release you couldn't

[native surge]

Focus on + minion levels

[foggy cliff]

Also taking any advice on witch hunter Vs gemling 🙃

[native surge]

Witch hunter first then respec late game for gemling once you get the good uniques

IMO

[foggy cliff]

How does the respec work? You just refund all the ascendancy passives and do the trials again?

Or I only have to do 1 trial?

[native surge]

You have to do the highest level of the trial you have done previously

And respec all ascends points before interacting with altar

[foggy cliff]

Can you respec before the altar or do you have to respec before entering the trial

[native surge]

Well there’s no regrets sadly

[foggy cliff]

I don't remember if you can just do it or if it's an NPC that does it 😂

[native surge]

So you’ll have to respec before the trial

Annoying

Not sure if the npc at trial end offeres it

[foggy cliff]

Jheeze doesn't that make completing the trial super difficult?

[native surge]

That would be a good change

Depends on your build, but it definitely makes it harder

Can always get a boss Carry if that’s your style

[foggy cliff]

Super excited tho, wanted to play Merc when the game came out and then missed 0.2

From what I've heard Merc got a lot of qol

[native surge]

Yeah I think I’m going merc too XD

But minion buffs keep coming

[foggy cliff]

What are you going?

Grenades?

[native surge]

Tactician with mortar and explosive shot

[foggy cliff]

Oooo

[native surge]

Mortar totem gonna spit out grenades

[foggy cliff]

Explosive shot looks awesome too

[native surge]

Imma detonate them

Easy grenade gameplay

[foggy cliff]

Waiting for some build guides too tho

I don't know shit about merc

[native surge]

Hahaha it’s pretty chill

I just tested it out in .2

[foggy cliff]

I played blood mage on release and it was...

Stressful

Saw blood mage got a whole lot better now too

[native surge]

Hahah yeah I’m a minion brain so I had a good .1 and an awful .2 lol

Yeah bloodmage looks sick

[jolly horizon]

You can do the trial with your ascendancy, and respec only at the final chamber. However, you need to be at the correct area level depending on how many ascendancies have been unlocked

[summer pasture]

Does hollow palm require you do have no gloves or just no weapons

[jolly horizon]

wording implies you keep the gloves, but hand and off-hand must be empty. In PoE1 having gloves off is unemcubered

[summer pasture]

Just checking was wanting to eventually mess with hollow palm and thunderfists

[solid sequoia]

What are the bloodmage builds everyone is going with

[native surge]

cool thats much better wasnt sure if respec was available in the last chamber

[slender finch]

Is deadeye twister the play this league over serpent's fury for single target?

[foggy plover]

Im thinking LA will be the single target on weapon switch

[valid bolt]

guys what do u think will be safer to start arc build
dead eye or blood mage

[tiny stirrup]

Everybody is hyped for Fubgun lightning arrow but why no one is talking about Ice Shot? Is that nerfed or bad?

[foggy plover]

mira, dont worry

I play ice shot every league

[fleet blaze]

frenzy bleed snipe spiral arrow deadeye or tactician?

[obtuse crown]

Hello! Do we have a good references for hollow palm builds yet?

[eternal pilot]

Does % increases of evasion on the passive tree affect deflection chance at all? Since it seems to be a conversion which is usually based on base values in this game?

[tulip fog]

with the new evasion formula, what does this mean for the accuracy we need to hit 100% hitrate? will we need more or less accuracy than before?

[jolly horizon]

wording implies it does (..."equals to x% of Evasion Rating"). But there are about 3 new deflection clusters on bottom right so some might be needed for sure

[eternal pilot]

So you need like well over 100% deflection to get a decent chance of it even happening? if its only based on the base value of your evasion?

[jolly horizon]

You won't need above and very likely not base value, but reaching it isn't easy just by gear. You'll need these clusters and blind. Check Dreamcore's analysis on this https://youtu.be/VA0yAq_g7Ls

Also, glancing blows no longer applies to block, but now says "chance to evade is unlucy, chance to deflect is lucky", so maybe low evasion high deflect is possible

[eternal pilot]

Yeah hes making the assumption that its base evasion. So realisticly you are going to have like 70-80% with heavy investment. (if we ignore all the blind shenanigans)

I have a feeling tho that its not exactly the same formula as evasion. Or Jonathans statement is abit silly

[dawn spire]

Orb of storms now has a 6s cd, frost bomb has a longer cd, too, I think. Lightning conduit has a 6s cd.

Chronomancer stonks

[tribal compass]

I’m thinking of doing a chronomancer fire infused comet build does that sound viable with the new changes to snap

[dawn spire]

Oh yeah and snap has a much longer cd

Yeah chrono looking nutty

I'm starting chrono 1000%

[tribal compass]

Bettt

[dawn spire]

No idea if I'll go ele spells or grenades

If mortar totem attacks fast enough to get gated by grenade cd and it inherits the cooldown bypass from the chrono tree, that's yummy

[tribal compass]

I’m wondering if it’s possible to get snap cool down low enough to just be able to spam it with Chronomancer

Then u can gen infusions left and right

[dawn spire]

Does snap consume the ailments? If it does, then you at least need to do something else between snaps so you don't need to get to fully spammable territory

[tribal compass]

Living bomb?

+comet

Then snap

[dawn spire]

I could see a nifty rotation of, like:

1. Frost bomb
2. Arc/spark/something to shock
3. Lightning conduit
4. Snap
   Repeat

[tribal compass]

I’m curious to see what fire infusions will do to comet

[dawn spire]

Or if you wanna go cold/fire instead of cold/lightning:

1. Frost bomb
2. Living bomb
3. Comet
4. Snap

[dawn spire]

Comet: Now deals 223–335 Cold Damage at Gem level 11 (previously 205-307), scaling up to 829-1243 damage at Gem level 20 (previously 708-1062). Can now be Fire-infused to deal extra fire damage and gain base radius

Oh you mean specifics

[tribal compass]

Yeah

Like if that extra damage will make it really good

[dawn spire]

What ascendancy nodes are you thinking of taking? I don't think time snap will be all too necessary tbh

[tribal compass]

Because I’m trying to build around fire comet

Snap for infusion gen

[dawn spire]

I think I'd go sands of time, recoup, temporal rift, and the 25% bypass cd node

[tribal compass]

Yeah

[dawn spire]

The curse is tempting, but with ele weakness existing that chrono curse will need to be insanely good to compete

[tribal compass]

Why not both?

Lol

[dawn spire]

It's competing with other chrono nodes AND ele weakness

Because then you have to take the +1 curse keystone and that adds activation delay which is bleh

[jolly horizon]

that new curse screams minions

[tribal compass]

Oh true

[dawn spire]

I guess minions don't really have any curses that help them very much

Unless you do pure ele

[tribal compass]

Lets hope this works out lol

[dawn spire]

Chrono was solid before and it'll be solid now. New stands of time looks dope

If not clunky

But that's chrono in a nutshell

[tribal compass]

And I dont do a smashing my head against the wall poison build i tried last league

[dawn spire]

Oh shit, don't say poison or I might pivot back to my void illusion poison chalupa monk idea

[jolly horizon]

y im doing void illusion as a main skill, screw everything and just roll with it

[dawn spire]

Chrono fantasy is just so insanely cool that I find it hard to play other stuff. And temporal rift is so fun to use

The fact that the mortar totem looked like it shot grenades that explode on impact tho...

Grenade chrono rising in tier in my head

[jolly horizon]

Problem with chrono is too many buttons, all skills are active. With Chonk 'n roll you dodge to move like an autobomber. Then herald of plague for leftovers and wind dancer for armour explosions, caltrops for bleeds and blinds. Only purple flames, no volatility since I think that's bait. And hey, maybe mirage archer can do grenades too :p

[dawn spire]

If I wanted one button I'd play poe1. I wanna have a rotation bby

[jolly horizon]

can't rotate more than when you're rolling xD

[dawn spire]

holy fucking shit they're right

I think I'm just gonna get my inferno cape in osrs and then look at the new tree. Whatever has the coolest new nodes to support it is what I'll play

[gentle veldt]

what about stormweaver

[outer vault]

good luck on wave 62/63

hope you get good spawns

[dawn spire]

When you say safer do you mean for hardcore viability or for having a stronger build overall?

[dawn spire]

Tyty. My last five runs have been 62-62-68-62-69. Died on healers. I'm so frickin close

[outer vault]

this is the way, there's always a healers death, it's a rite of passage lol

[lethal spade]

Hey guys, i want to play spark or arc didnt decide yet, and there one more thing that i cannot decide, blood mage or stormweaver?
What do you guys think? And why? Thank you!

[split stump]

Any nice guide for a new player that is not necessarily easy to play but mostly written in a way that will help me learn and not get lost. Written for newbies. Something like RF by Pohx for POE1

I know it’s still early but maybe you can tell me who had a guide like this on 0.2

[valid bolt]

nah just having a good start

[inland plinth]

Palsteron makes good guides a zizzaran as well

More on the noob friendly side

[summer pasture]

Look at ghazzys builds for minions, they are going to be strong this league and it will be an easy way to learn the game

[valid bolt]

idk the dead eye was op before the nerfs and maybe it will still op and the blood mage got a good buffs as well

so if i would choose i will choose i will chosse between this 2

[native burrow]

I wonder if a Gloam Eyed Queen build could exist, Witch with Blackflame Covenant .

Do we know if the keystone will change the colour of fire skills cause if it doesn't the passive is dead

[dawn spire]

Blood mage because I play hcssf

[inland plinth]

Zizzaran put out a guide yesterday collab with goratha for blood mage that converts fireball to chaos damage

[dawn spire]

But in general, hard to say until tree and gem info comes out. Blood mage seems way better if you use a spell (or spells) with low base crit.

[inland plinth]

One thing to keep in mind currently all builds are on the old tree so they’re all not finished as of right now

[dawn spire]

Stormweaver seems better if you wanna do big chills/shocks or are worried about mana

[valid bolt]

yea yea we will see when the patch is out

[dawn spire]

Unfortunately there's nothing even remotely close to the pohx RF guide/wiki for poe2 yet. Balance patches are way more volatile and people aren't willing to dump that many hours into a guide that will be rendered irrelevant in a few months

[valid bolt]

if u are blood mage ur skills will cost life

and u will relay on cast on crit

[dawn spire]

But you can overflow life to 150% of max. And you can get spell leech. And delayed damage. And bonus life from es on chest.

[bright agate]

i wander how many liches there going to be

[valid bolt]

if u are dead eye u will play on cast on shock

[inland plinth]

I would recommend the goratha blood mage fireball guide tho. I’ve followed goratha on some Poe1 builds and eviscerate was one of the best builds I’d ever played

[dawn spire]

The life remnants spawn on hit now, not on crit

[midnight cipher]

is is worth to use heralds on a full physical melee build?

[dawn spire]

Blood mage basically got a buff to sanguimancy AND two free ascendancy nodes

[dawn spire]

If you have no way to shock or freeze, no. They won't proc

Maybe Herald of blood if you bleed

[lethal spade]

Thank you for the informations, Byron, think im just gonna go blood mage, and if its not too good for spark or arc im just reroll to minions

[valid bolt]

yea iam not talk about it

iam talking about snap

[dawn spire]

How is blood mage reliant on cast on crit?

[valid bolt]

cause u will add it to the coc

[inland plinth]

Even with the “nerfs” to blood mage getting 2 ascendancy points hard offsets anything they toned back. Plus the ascendancy did technically also get buffed in some ways as well

Snap had a 4 second cooldown added not sure how viable it will be on CoC

[dawn spire]

Just use reap from the new staff and you're golden

No need to worry about other stuff

Surely it'll carry. Right? (:

[inland plinth]

My poor boy snap. I was originally planning to do BM using that and they nerfed my boy

Glad I settled on crossbow mercenary instead

[dawn spire]

One snap's nerf is a chronomancer's buff

[valid bolt]

yea iam thinking about how to solve that

[inland plinth]

Yeah but BM is so strong compared to other casters it’s not even funny

[dawn spire]

Smh, sleeping on chronomancer. We don't know how strong their new curse is yet

[inland plinth]

Free tank and free spank all built in the ascendancy. The ascendancy is so good you can basically run any spell because it makes base crit 15

[dawn spire]

Yeah you can go 15% crit, bonus crit damage, leech, and progenesis effect. It's nutty

But chrono has temporal rift so I'm bonded forever with it

[inland plinth]

I just don’t see other casters performing as well on low tier gear. In high tier gear it’s honestly a toss up with no tree anyways

[dawn spire]

Chrono will be able to comfortably cast frost bomb, snap, lightning conduit, and orb of storms in a rotation. At least more so than any other ascendancy. So it really depends on how strong those + infusions will be

Plus the curse

[inland plinth]

For me I just wanted to play an ascendancy I hadn’t done before. I originally was on deadeye before the first notes even dropped and then deadeye became THE class and I was like yeah nah

[midnight cipher]

it's a crit build, leech

[inland plinth]

So shifted to BM but that was also wildly popular

So I settled on tactician in the end

[dawn spire]

Read the Herald skills carefully and double check if you can even proc them

[inland plinth]

I’m happy I did too because my original plans got murdered by snap nerf

[dawn spire]

Snap nerf, chrono buff, potato potato

[inland plinth]

It’s just dumb they had to nerf the only skill that had a fast way to generate infusions

I wanted to use snap specifically to spam infusion generation and be a tri elemental god

Realistically though I get it snap was going to outperform everything surely with its changes and how it could be abused on meta gems

[bold oxide]

my original plan didnt even last through the first couple days. was gonna gemling 100% qual flicker. now im on blackflame blood mage

[inland plinth]

Rest in pieces flicker

[jolly horizon]

rest in flickers

[dawn spire]

Seems like chrono is just gonna be op then, eh?

[jolly horizon]

Oh, theres a new recoup clustert too top left, quite big

[inland plinth]

Well if I recall chrono can do some cooldown reset stuff but it really hinged on being able to spam snap rather than just some resets

Chrono will probably be able to generate infusions a lot easier via snap now tho

[tardy gust]

You should have seen the cooldown resets we had on Hammer of The Gods pre nerf 🤣

[slender furnace]

Tactician is still wildly popular...so you going to swap again?

[winter vine]

so now arc doesnt do more dmg per chain 🙁

[inland plinth]

It’s not hyper popular compared to deadeye. I was fine with doing BM as second most I don’t need to be a hipster

I just didn’t want to be competing with majority of the player base on weapons

I saw a poll that had deadeye as most popular BM second tactician 3rd

I can live with that

[gloomy hearth]

Poisonous concoction worth a try at 0.3 guys?

[kindred thunder]

so if I want to play crossbow is it ranger or merc for start?

[inland plinth]

To be completely honest deadeye ranger is generally just better for projectiles

[gloomy hearth]

i guess Acidic concotion

[dawn spire]

It's not just snap that helps chrono. They also added a cd to lightning conduit, orb of storms, and lengthened the frost bomb cd. Spamming snap won't be possible, but you'll be able to rotate through these very strong spells.

Personally I don't think time snap is even worth it. I just want the 25% chance to not consume a cd and the small node for cdrr

[kindred thunder]

meaning all crossbow skills included? Or what is the point for merc then?

[dawn spire]

What kind of crossbow? Grenades? Ele? All classes can use crossbows so it really depends on what you want your crossbow build to do

[winter vine]

Damn didnt think about it but chrono will rly help lightning conduit dps then right ?

[dawn spire]

Insanely so, yeah

[inland plinth]

I would only take merc if you want to do grenades or totems with the crossbow

[winter vine]

I was hesitating between chrono storm & ritualist for a mana stacker arc

[inland plinth]

Or if you want to be a hipster with your crossbow

[winter vine]

but the call might be chrono

[woven depot]

Chrono is also one of the coolest ascendancies

[winter vine]

Yup I like hipster things

[dawn spire]

Oh, it's 33% chance to not use a cd with chrono. Nice

[winter vine]

so its a +

is the ascendancy helpful with MOM EB build also ?

[dawn spire]

Chrono is, no cap, nuts for grenades. 33% chance not to use a charge + multiple charges means you can kinda just spam nades

[dawn spire]

If you can get some way to recoup mana, yeah. Otherwise... Eh. Temporal rift is just strong for everything though

[inland plinth]

I can see the use case but that’s not very starter friendly and you would have to be fairly advanced because you’d be pioneering your own tree for sure. No guides anywhere to be found for that

[winter vine]

belt & tree I guess

[kindred thunder]

most likely explosive shot or smth like that

grenades are always annoying with the fuse time

[inland plinth]

Explosive shot is definitely better on deadeye palsteron played it before and has a guide

[dawn spire]

Yeah I agree with you there. My chrono grenadier was dumped in the trash not because it had bad dps, but because I hated grenade mechanics

But mortar totem may reignite my love for it

[inland plinth]

I’m looking to try out the new banners with totems mixed in see if I can automate grenade explosions if mortar totem is good

[hoary lark]

Wish they’d not nerf dead eye but make everything comparable in terms of power level

[kindred thunder]

Was thinking of ranger as well. Was simply surprised to find so many guides for merc start instead

[inland plinth]

A fair number of people probably just want to dodge deadeye

[dawn spire]

If anyone is making a guide this early they're trying to farm clicks, not accurately inform their audience. No one has any usable guides out yet

[hidden siren]

i do

[dawn spire]

I stand corrected

[hidden siren]

its called play deadeye

[dawn spire]

Smh my head. I can't complain though. The longer chrono remains the best ascendancy but is perceived as weak, the longer I get to enjoy it

[hidden siren]

1.play deadeye
2. ???
3. profit

[hidden siren]

i think the issue with chrono is that its a lot more complicated

[dawn spire]

Yeah it's not nearly as intuitive as deadeye. The ascendancy can also straight up add three buttons if you want it to

[hoary lark]

You can assume certain builds will work at a baseline based off the old tree no?

[hidden siren]

a lot more active gaming when everyone wants 1 button brain off builds

[hoary lark]

They didn’t remove nodes only add them?

[hoary lark]

Yes pleaseeeeee

[hidden siren]

no, nodes were removed

[dawn spire]

You can assume anything you want, but they aren't guaranteed to be true

[hoary lark]

I want 1 button for the rest of my life

[hidden siren]

theres also number changes

[dawn spire]

#1┃build-planning?

[hoary lark]

No im saying you can go in pob and make a build and when the new nodes come out it’ll only make the build stronger?

[dawn spire]

No you cannot assume that

I mean, you can.

[hoary lark]

You just said they removed no nodes?

[dawn spire]

But it won't be a reliable reflection of reality

[hidden siren]

u can theorycraft builds but dont have everything planned out bc we have no numbers on the passive

[hidden siren]

i added a comma

[hoary lark]

Ah

Fack

[dawn spire]

Let's eat, grandma

[hidden siren]

also strong nodes couldve been nerfed hard

[hoary lark]

Well there’s definitely most builds you can do enough dps on without all the min max nodes

[dawn spire]

Also we don't know full gem details on the changed ones

[hidden siren]

so the best thing to plan right now is just the base skills and class u want to go

[kindred thunder]

whats the way to play with chronomancer? I always see those crazy boss dps and still don't get the whole class^^

[hidden siren]

im under the assumption not every number change was given so i just have theme and some skills i want to try out

otherwise its pretty blind

[hoary lark]

I really wanted to make witch fireball work this league

So I’m looking forward to seeing the tree and planning it out

[hidden siren]

i dont want to look at streamer builds bc they are usually not budget builds

[dawn spire]

It can do almost anything, that's why it's so strong yet so underplayed. It's like the ascendant from poe1. It generally is worse at most generic builds compared to others, but if you find some weird interaction it can be absurdly strong and can feel like cheating

[hoary lark]

With the changes to demon form we about to be sweet

[hidden siren]

chrono is a lot of combo and active gaming and thats way too much work for me lol

[hoary lark]

Fubgun 🤣 his league start into maps builds are from 200 divines-15 mirrors

Cringe RMTer

[dawn spire]

Yeah, that too. Chrono kinda requires you to add at least one button to your bar to get full value from it

I'm gonna add temporal rift for sure and we'll see how good the curse is

[hoary lark]

Temporal chains got some serious potential this league, and I imagine freezing everything is super satisfying

[cold pier]

I plan to start fireball bloodmage, do u guys think this is a good idea?

[neat badger]

i wonder if arc will work with sire of shards now since arc is now a projectile?

[hoary lark]

Ima do this for a second character

Feel like it’s gonna be super strong based on new nodes and shi

Be I want to be fast through acts so deadeye it is save up respec

[hidden siren]

bloodmage is in a good spot

[bright agate]

op stop tbh

[slender furnace]

Yeah you don't know what youre talking about

[bold oxide]

yes its what im starting

[hoary lark]

You know what it means to be hyperbolic?

[mighty vine]

What are y'all thinking of running theres like 7 builds I want to do but I have 0 idea what I want to start

[bold oxide]

all the poison buffs look really great too, thats probably going to be my second character

[hoary lark]

Fubguns guides go from 0-100 in cost fast

Fact

[slender furnace]

You called someone and rmter and made false claims. You got called out because youre a tool. Don't try to blame hyperbole

[hoary lark]

Right buddy, because between every stream his build gets drastically upgraded

Headhunters appear from no where

Glazing grown men ain’t a good look buddy

[summer pasture]

And accusations with out proof is a bad look

[slender furnace]

Not glazing anyone. I just hate douchebags that make up bullshit on the internet.

[native smelt]

Does anyone have sc of the unarmed thunder unique? Gloves

[hoary lark]

You’re right accusations mean nothing

[hidden siren]

its on poe2 db

[timid aurora]

Going full ballista or mortar WB. Was close on Tact too but I dont like having to shoot for my totems to shoot and also don't wanna micro manage banners.

[hoary lark]

White knight ahhh 🥀🥀

[timid aurora]

What about WH ballistas + Xbow combo dps with extra points?

[slender furnace]

Basement dwelling loser that probably can't even clear t5 maps ahhhh

[tranquil raptor]

hey maybe someone who reads path notes thoroughly could tell me if there are any significant changes for minions builds?

[hoary lark]

Bless you, average Ruetoo enjoyer

[bright agate]

minions alwyes hit and somthing else give me a sec

[dull pecan]

Damage buff too

[bright agate]

some gmes

[timid aurora]

Maybe a hybrid grenade WH who uses mortar totems and then his own grenades , using the 100 points to get max benefit for both ?

[tranquil raptor]

okay that sounds good, maybe finally will try minions as my started, was always worried of wonky ai

thanks

[bright agate]

this too

[exotic gyro]

odd question, although there's no skill tree and the release is 6 hours away.
How should deflect and armor interact with eachother?
I am asking in the context of playing Mercenary and thinking of having both evasion and armor. So getting deflection and trying to get some armor applies to elemental damange

[hidden siren]

i think the best minion build is just nuking them, resummon, then repeating. since u can summon from ur own corpses now it works during bosses

[dawn spire]

They all do 50% more damage to non-unique enemies by gem level 8

[dire briar]

Which is generally the best mercenary ascendancy? Want to try a mercenary build this league. Played lightning spear amazon last league and was really fun.